1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and He Armstrong and Yetty. 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: Song of the Year, Congratulations, Billie Eilish. Wow, that is 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: a Grammy that every artist wants, almost as much as 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: Trump wants Greenland, which makes sense. I mean, because Epstein's 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: island is gone. He needs a new one to hang 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: out with. Bill Clinton. So, oh, I told you it's 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: my last year. What are you gonna do about it? 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: Oh? My god, all right, I've got to come on on. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: They Oh, I've made a really super dangerous joke in 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: front of people who will love that joke. 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: We're so brave. No, when Ricky Gervais does that sort 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: of thing, it's my last year, I'll do whatever I want. 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: He like took some brutal shots at Hollywood elite right 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: in front of them. Trevor Noah said exactly what they 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: all wanted to hear, and then acted like he was 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I do not get to Trevor 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: Noah thing. And I'm not one of those people that 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: he's not funny because I don't agree with the politics. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: I think John Stewart's one of the funniest people who's 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: ever lived, and I don't agree with him. Must have 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: much of what he says. Lots of examples like that. Sure, 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: Trevor Noah has never said, to my mind, what a 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: funny thing? Not one. How did he host the Grammys 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: six years in a row. I don't get it anyway, 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. So Donald Trump responded to this, what 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: does you always say about barking dogs or something? 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Well Churchill, he used to say, you can't stop and 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: throw a rock at every dog that barks, And that's 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: actually superpower. I learned it as a kid. Some kid 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: would be trying to get your goat and tease or whatever. 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: You just look at them and ignore him. It's like 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: a superpower. But Trump's the opposite. Anybody can pick a 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: fight with Trump. 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: Long truth social post last night, Late at Night. The 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: Grammy Awards are the worst in all caps, virtually unwatchable. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: CBS is lucky not to have this garbage litter their 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: airwaves any longer. The host, Trevor Noah, whoever he may be, 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 2: is almost as bad as Jimmy Kimmel at the low 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: Ratings Academy Awards Noah said incorrectly in all quotes are 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: in all caps about me that Donald Trump and Bill 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: Clinton spent time on Epstein Island. Wrong exclamation went explaination. 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: I can't speak for Bill, but I have never been 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: to Epstein Island, nor anywhere close, and until tonight's false 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 2: and defamatory statement, have never been accused of being there, 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: not even by the fake news media. Noah a total loser. 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: Better get his facts straight, and get them straight fast. 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: It looks like I'll be sending my lawyers to sue 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: this poor, pathetic, talentless dope ofnem se. 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Well he didn't like a stop to throw a rocket 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: to dog down Mark, he's unloading an oozy. 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: I'll be sending my lawyers to sue this poor, pathetic, 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: talentless dope of an MC and suing him for plenty 55 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: of dollars. Ask Little George Stephanopp no slap Adopolis. Ask 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Little George Slapadopolis and others how that all worked out? 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Also ask CBS. Get ready, Noah, I'm going to have 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: some fun with you, President DJT, and I guess since 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Any's announced a five billion dollar was Oh boy, if 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: he were just the host of the Apprentice. 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: That would be an extraordinary unleashing a bile on social 62 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: media as the potus. 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: Good lord, these are odd times. So, as we mentioned 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: at the end of the show on Friday, because it 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: happened right before we going off the year, they've released 66 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: basically everything that people call the Epstein Files three point 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: two million pages. That's funny, I tweeted out over the weekend. 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: I've made it through the first one point two million pages, 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: just one point eight million to go, and I'll talk 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: about it on Monday. And so many people. I don't 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: know if you're like being level three sarcastic or what, 72 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: but a lot of people seem to take me completely seriously. 73 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for putting all that time and effort in. And yeah, 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: I did not pour through three million pages of documents 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: over the weekend. There were two thousand videos and one 76 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand pictures, just a stunning amount of stuff. 77 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: And as I mentioned last hour, I thought it was 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: kind of interesting that the big three Sunday talk shows 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: your CBSABC, NBC, NBC did it, like is their third story. 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: CBS ignored it completely. Good for Barry Weiss and her 81 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: influence on Facination I have to believe that's Barry Weiss's influence, 82 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: the fact that they didn't even mention it as far 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: as I could go. ABC this Week with George Slopotopolis 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: led with it, and like did twenty minutes on the 85 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: Epstein files. As Joe always points out, let me know 86 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: if anything interesting happens with nothing interesting right, actually the well, 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second. So here's one 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: of the many headlines of the New York Times over 89 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: the weekend. I don't know how many articles they had 90 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: about it, a dozen on just Sunday alone. How Trump 91 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: appears in the Epstein files. The New York Times found 92 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: more than five thousand, three hundred files with references to 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: mister Trump in related terms. They include salacious and unverified claims, 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: as well as documents that had already been made public. Well, 95 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: and then when you get into the paragraphs of the story, 96 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: it shows that almost all of the mentions of Trump 97 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: came after he and Epstein quit hanging out together, and 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: they're just Epstein was following Trump like really closely in 99 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: the news and everything like that, and like every newspaper 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: or article that would ever come up, or TV apparents 101 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: or anything like that. He would he would like document 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: or keep or send to somebody and say Trump blah 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. So they're all those they got 104 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: nothing to do with nothing. Wow. And the same with 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: is all these other names like ABC News, I should 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: have grabbed the audio. So they have their legal correspondent 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, head of Wells Fargo Bank, and blah 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: blah blah who wants blah blah naming. All these names 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: appear appear in the Epstein Files. And then they would 110 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: go on to mention that the uh this Justice Department 111 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: and other Justice departments, because this stuff has been around 112 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: for a long long time, deemed the evidence unverifiable. The 113 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: sources were, you know, making it up, blah blah blah. 114 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: Nobody was ever charged were. 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: The mentions were completely innocuous, like, hey, the late latest 116 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: season of The Apprentice is boring and Trump sucks. I 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: mean that's in the Epstein files. 118 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: Quote unquote. Yeah. Some of it was people like not 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: even being not even being falsely accused of somebody by 120 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: somebody that the Justice Department then deems a not credible witness. 121 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes it was like you said, yeah, they're just like 122 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: somehow now get mentioned like, I don't know, I was 123 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: at a party where somebody who ends up being a 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: criminal twenty years later, was there? Yeah, and somehow that 125 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: gets mentioned, and and these news organizations that put those 126 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: names out, how do you not have any standards whatsoever? 127 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: And then ABC News said after that, they'd say, you know, 128 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: one of the names that they mentioned, head of this 129 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: financial firm, when asked by ABC News, said I'm guilty 130 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: of nothing, have never been charged with nothing, and didn't 131 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: do anything. We're still waiting for comments back from blah 132 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. So you went to these 133 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: people for comments when they've never been accused of anything 134 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: at all. Ever, they were at a fundraiser twenty years ago. 135 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: That's outrageous. Would you like to explain yourself. No, The 136 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: reason I'm making a big deal is you don't want 137 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: to live in a country where any investigation that anybody's 138 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: name gets swept up, gets thrown out there into the 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: media for people who you know, hate your politics or 140 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: your company or whatever touch so they can hint darkly 141 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: that it's some real dirt about you. Yeah, it acts 142 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: like something happened when nothing happened, not just hasn't been 143 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: proven yet. I mean, there's no indication to have any 144 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: reason to think that anything happened. And you put his 145 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: name and picture up on ABC News, on your most 146 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: valued news show. That's outrageous. Yeah, yeah, it is. It shameful. God, 147 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: we have no standards. And that was the very argument 148 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: that Trump was then the Justice Department was making all along, Well, 149 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: if we release all these documents, all kinds of names 150 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: are going to be thrown around that just were tangential 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: to investigations, never found them to be guilty of anything. 152 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 2: There's no reason. But the names got thrown out there, 153 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: and the media did exactly what was predicted, acted like 154 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: it means something as we predicted. Right, Oh, what would 155 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: you do if news organizations started coming to you for 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: because you know, Hell, I don't know Jeffrey Epstein, but 157 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: I could have been a we could have been at 158 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: a talk radio event in New York sometime where he 159 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: was there. I have no idea if a news organization 160 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: came to you for a comment. I just think I 161 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: might ignore it. I don't know. 162 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so, because this, like the other waves, 163 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: will go away and never be discussed again. So I'd 164 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: be tempted to do that, but you do risk the 165 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: whole dignifying it with a denial thing. I may have 166 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: attended a fundraiser or two in which mister Epstein was there. 167 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: I have never committed a crime. I have not been 168 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: accused of a crime, never been with an underage girl. 169 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blahah. That just seems like, Oh 170 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: my god, how about witches. 171 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Are you a witch? 172 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like a detailed denial of your witchiness. 173 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: So the New York Times acts like it's meaningful that 174 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: Trump's name shows up all those times, even though then 175 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: they many paragraphs later, point out that his name just 176 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: shows up because Epstein was obsessed with Trump and was 177 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: constantly emailing people about Trump. That doesn't mean Trump did anything. 178 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: It's just it's so, I don't know, it's so. It 179 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: just seems like amateur journalism, which you ought to expect 180 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: better than that from the New York Times. It kind 181 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: of is. 182 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: Have just recently read two really good things about journalism, 183 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: one Peggy Noon in to comment on just how journalism 184 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: has fallen, and in a long long profile of Tucker 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: Carlson and why he's gotten as crazy as he has. 186 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: And it all has to do with clickbait. 187 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: And I think the New York Times dresses up its 188 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: clickbait like in a tuxedo and top hat. But that 189 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: Trump appears two hundred and thirty five times in the Epstein. 190 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: That's clickbait wearing fancy clothes. Whereas your ABC News and 191 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: then you get down to the Guardian or whatever, they're 192 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: just they're just, you know, trampy clickbait. 193 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: But everybody's clickbait. Well like, So one of the stories 194 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: is that do you remember Lifestyles of the Rich and 195 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: Famous and Robin Leach? If you remember that show. 196 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: Sure, champagne caviar wishes and champagne dreams or what was 197 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: that a slogan? 198 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous host Robin Leach, 199 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: and that was back with the nineties. Is to go 200 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: all the way back to the eighties, I don't know. 201 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: I think the eighties he was a big deal to 202 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: Don allegedly strangled a young woman at a sex party. 203 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: According to the latest Jeffrey Epstein document dump, a purported 204 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: victim told authorities that Leech, who died a long long 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: time ago, was spotted at Orgies According to the FBI document, 206 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: he was never charged in connection with any wrongdoing related 207 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: to the disgraced pedophile complaint claims to have a video 208 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: of high profile sex parties, dealing with cartels, and having 209 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at 210 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: a party, according to an unsubstantiated claim. So you go 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: ahead and run with a claim that Robin Leech strangled 212 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: a girl to death and that it had an orgy 213 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: at these orgies, people just be ah dang, another one 214 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: died and would be all part of a cover up 215 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: of strangling a young girl to death, right, and that 216 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: that actually happened. And of course when it was investigated, 217 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: and lots of people who have investigated these things for many, many, 218 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: many many years, there was nothing. The person was a 219 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: crackpot or a drug addictor or whatever the hell their 220 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: problem was. Right, And yet the New York because you 221 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: can't prove a negative, right, the strongest word you can 222 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: use is unsubstantiated. You can't say false in the law 223 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: enforcement business unless you know, except in certain but narrow circumstance. 224 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: That is why the stuff shouldn't come out. I mean, 225 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: that's crazy. I think I know I know personally a 226 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: few people that believe all this stuff is true, that 227 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: they're rich and powerful, are trafficking around, you know, young 228 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: people and having sex with them, murdering them, and all 229 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. The panda eyes thing that we talked about, 230 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: and just all the I don't think any of that 231 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: stuff's happening. I just don't. The idea that Robin Leech, 232 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: a big star, strangled a young woman to death in 233 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: a giant orgy and you know, the powerful covered it up, 234 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: I think is insane. 235 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: But what would Don Johnson say? Huh, just trying to 236 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: come up with a contemporary but then to put. 237 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: The guy The guy's dead, but the good put the 238 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: guy's name out there with this false claim that nobody 239 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: ever substantiated. We can't live in that world. 240 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: So the long and short of the Tucker thing was 241 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: that he became more and more crazed for clicks and responses, 242 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: particularly in a war with bright Bart when it was 243 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: run by Steve Bannon, and that he started with very 244 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: very high aspirations, but as it became more and more 245 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: and more clear that the more salacious and the more 246 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: like tribal directions, signally it was the more clicks they got. 247 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: He totally abandoned any pretense of honor or standards and 248 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: just went full click bait, extreme madness, and it's all 249 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: a version of that. 250 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. The most interesting thing about that book, there's a 251 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: new whole book out about Tucker Carlson's rise, is it 252 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: basically lays out how much money there is in clicks. 253 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: It's just you know, we we we all know that, 254 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: but it's even magnitudes more than I even realized. And 255 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: in media that's the only money there is. Yeah, so 256 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: that's what leads you to, you know, put out an 257 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: article says, Robin Leech strangle the young girl to death 258 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: at a party is the headline, so that you like, 259 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: I click on it. Uh, Any thoughts on you this 260 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: text line four one five two nine five kftc Armstrong. 261 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: You have the governor and local officials there, in some 262 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: cases inciting violence. They're encouraging citizens to disrupt the operations 263 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: of law enforcement, and it sets up a dangerous situation. 264 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: They're calling for peaceful protests. 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: Well they are, but they're also saying to resist. They're 266 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: also saying to you know, they're docsing the agents of ice. 267 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: So the reason that ICE agents were masks is to 268 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: protect their own identities and protect their own families, and 269 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 4: in some circumstances they've had a price put on their heads, 270 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: effectively by local officials, and that's what's created the dangerous conditions. 271 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: More on the question of masks coming up for law enforcement, 272 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: because it is an interesting topic to discuss, but I 273 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: wanted to hit you with something really eloquent. Peggy Noonan 274 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: wrote about the protests in Minnesota. Minnesota. She said, those 275 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: who have taken to the streets are indignant, emotionally engaged, 276 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: opposed and driven to show opposition. But watching them, I thought, 277 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: we don't know how to protest anymore. We're losing this 278 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: knowledge within human memory. America was the stage one of 279 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: the greatest protest movements in all history, the Civil Rights 280 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: movement of the fifties and sixties. Its power came from 281 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: a dignity that was majestic and couldn't be denied. Go 282 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: back to the photos of the marches in Selma, Montgomery, 283 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: and Birmingham. The protesters mean, their faces were sober. They 284 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: presented themselves as adults who are morally serious. They were 285 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: morally responsible and meant moral business. Look at their faces. 286 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: They were sacrificial. They were risking their physical safety by 287 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: putting themselves on the line for great purpose. They knew 288 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: civil disobedience must be civil and peaceful, resistance peaceful. They 289 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: deliberately appealed to the conscience of a nation, and were 290 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: certain that that nation, America, had a conscience to which 291 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: an appeal could be made, which was a compliment. She 292 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: mentions MLK nonviolence is morally grounded in Christianity and historically 293 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: tested by Gandhi. He knew that was the way of 294 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: the strong, not the weak. She talks about bull Connor 295 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and the fire hoses and the police dogs and how 296 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: King knew which side America would take, and he was right. 297 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: Current protesters should emulate that dignity and power not fall 298 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: into formless jeering and harassment. 299 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: And here's her key sentence. 300 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Instead, they seem to have a spirit of I'm so upset, 301 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: I have a right to act out due to my 302 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: sharper sense of injustice. Yeah, well, therefore, interfere with law 303 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: enforcement and fight them and feel like nothing should happen. 304 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: Also, you didn't have large elements in the civil rights 305 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: movement who were Marxists who just wanted to tear down 306 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: all of Western civilization, right, They just wanted violence specific goal. 307 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, the masks thing is interesting in the LAPD 308 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: just made an announcement about that. We'll get to that 309 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: among other topics coming up. I hope you can stay here, 310 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: Artrum and Getty. This is pitiful. A thousand people freezing 311 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: their butts off waiting to worship a rat. What a height. 312 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: He's pretty prouduct. They used to mean something in this town. 313 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: They used to pull the hog out and they used 314 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: to hate it. Your hypocrits Olia. It's one of my 315 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: all time favorite movies, Groundhog Day with Billmour so deep, 316 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: so much to ponder there. Maybe I'll watch some of 317 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: it today with my kids. On this Groundhog Day. And 318 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: they did pull the groundhog out of the ground, and 319 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: he said ice out. They stuffed the back of the 320 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: ground for making a political statement. 321 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: It's not the time of place groundhoght up and be 322 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: a ground dog. 323 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm as interested in what are rodent things of our 324 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: immigration policies as any musician. I will tell you that. 325 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just came across. I'll have to get 326 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: to this later. Why did New York Post do this 327 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: so the Olympics start in right after the Super Bowl 328 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics there in Italy, and it's got a 329 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: laundry list of well known Olympic stars over the years 330 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: who then either went bankrupt or became drug addicts, or 331 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: became prostitutes or whatever. Wow, that's a very New York 332 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: post he thing. It is because becoming a household name 333 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: for a week in some obscure sport doesn't make you 334 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: rich for the rest of your life, which you might 335 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: not understand as a nineteen year old. Whatever you are 336 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: and you want a silver metal, gold metal or whatever, 337 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: you're not, you're not set for life. Because of that. 338 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: We uh, you know, we make the joke every year 339 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: we all become ice skating experts. You know, for two 340 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: weeks we care about ice skating, then we don't care 341 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: at all, which is something you might want to pay 342 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: attention to. If you I'm the whole been lad ice skating. 343 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: Nobody's good. You were. I kind of remember the name, 344 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: what year was that you did something, But I'm not. 345 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: It's gotta be. 346 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Tough, though, because oh you're a world sure, you're huge. 347 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's kind of what they talk about 348 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: in this article. But long, long list of these huge 349 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: stars and how many of them have sold their medals 350 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: over the years, Oh, which I could understand. Wow, you 351 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: know you're ten years in you're just a regular person 352 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: living in a suburb somewhere, and you think somebody would 353 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: give me eighty thousand dollars for this thing? Yeah? Also 354 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: what is that. 355 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: Metal cost though, because I was gonna say it sound 356 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: like you get six hundred thousand dollars for it depends 357 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: on who gets. 358 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: It, and you get ten to fifteen twenty grand depends 359 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: on who you are. You remember Ryan Lockty, Sure, he's 360 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: the one who faked being robbed and all that different 361 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. The swimmer remember him. He was all 362 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: kinds of trouble. 363 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: That's some sort of wacky experience in Brazil, a gas 364 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: station bats. 365 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 2: Yes, he made the whole thing up and then they 366 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: had it on video and he had to admit it 367 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. Anyway, he went. He's 368 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: one of the most decorated stars in Olympic history, but 369 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: he ended up going broke like some many of them do. Then, 370 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: just last month, the forty one year old he's only 371 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: forty one and it was a long time ago when 372 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: he was a Star. He sold all three of his 373 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: goals at an auction for three hundred and eighty five 374 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. I don't know who would buy those I 375 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: don't know why you think they're worth that, but I 376 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: gotta believe if you think you could get four hundred 377 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: grand for those things, how would you make the argument 378 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: to keep them? Some of them make got a lot 379 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: less though. I guess I'm gonna do this here. Remember 380 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: that great big fat wrestler, poor guy, Ah, can you 381 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: give me a little room on Gardner, the miracle on 382 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 2: the mat he beat the Russian legend and all that 383 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Yeah, he went broke really really fast, 384 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: poor guy. He got a few endorsement deals after the 385 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: Olympics that paid around five thousand dollars each boy, which 386 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: didn't do much for the seventy thousand dollars in credit 387 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: card debt he had racked up during that period of 388 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: time where he you know, he's probably on going on 389 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: the Tonight Show and all this different sort of stuff, 390 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: and it was a really really cool story. Yeah, but 391 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: you're like twenty years old, okay, And now you know 392 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 2: that's all the attention I've got for amateur wrestling. I'm 393 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: gonna go back to my life now, and there's just 394 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: not necessarily that much money in it. Just because you 395 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: won the gold medal. Wow, that that one makes me sad. 396 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: But I know, I know, you're all. It was the 397 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: toast of the country and they and they talked to 398 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 2: these various athletes who talk about how, you know, I 399 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: dedicated my entire life to this. I went got up 400 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: early in the morning and went and skated every single 401 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: day and after school and then I finally reached the pinnacle. 402 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that's all true. But the universe doesn't 403 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: owe you being wealthy because you got really good at 404 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: an obscure talent. Rights. 405 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: What's interesting is that the media have figured out that 406 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: we love that quest and we love those stories and 407 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: we loved to watch them. 408 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: And so is it NBC has the Olympics. Yeah, I 409 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: think so NBC. 410 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: They really really really play this stuff up, and so 411 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: it feels for a minute like Rulan Gardner is one 412 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: of the most important people in the world and will 413 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: always be beloved and. 414 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: The rest of it. But then you know, it's just 415 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: it's fool's gold. That's a tough one. It is. There's 416 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: a bunch of big names that you would remember over 417 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 2: the years. I won't go through each one of their stories. 418 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: They're all sad and tragic in so many and a 419 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: lot of them they just you know, they have a 420 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: multiple divorces and they lose all of their money and 421 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: then they end up selling their medals, and. 422 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: Boy, it reminds me of the NFL, which has gotten 423 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot better at this I don't know the long 424 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: and short of it, but of rookies. They have the 425 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: seminars meetings for the rookies and they tell them, look, 426 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: the average NFL career is whatever it is, two point 427 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: three seasons or whatever. The vast majority of you guys 428 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: are gonna make a pretty good chunk the money. 429 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: Very very briefly. Remember that. Please. They ought to have 430 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: that for Olympic athletes too. Here's your window. 431 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Here's your probable window of financial gain as a gold 432 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: medal winner, unless you're one of those transcendent, you know, winners. 433 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: That would be good for those people to know. I 434 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: feel bad for them. Here's a thirty four year old 435 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: shot putter, only thirty four at this point, when they're 436 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: medal years ago. Whatever metal they want, it's a manager 437 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: at a Memphis bakery talking about how it's just very 438 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: difficult for a shot putter out there. Yeah, I'm sure 439 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: probably really good at the heave the cake over there, 440 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: and these people over there on the shelf. I don't know, 441 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: So what do you. I guess that's a tough one 442 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: because your kid, so you're getting you're driving your kid 443 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: over to ice skating practice at five o'clock in the 444 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: morning so they can skate for an hour and a 445 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: half before school starts, and then doing some more whatever 446 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: gymnastics after school and on the weekends, going to all 447 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 2: the tournaments and everything like that. As the parent, you 448 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 2: got to kind of think about is this that we 449 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: want to spend all their time on this? Or am 450 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 2: I telling them on a regular basis? You know, even 451 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: if you become the best in the world at this 452 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: maybe even for a couple of Olympics in the row, 453 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: might not necessarily be worth anything. So just as long as. 454 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: You know that, right, I think probably what's changed in 455 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: the equation is the worship of fame in the modern world. 456 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, people have always looked to famous people in 457 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: ood and odd and that sort of thing, but everybody 458 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: wants to be famous and thinks they're going to be 459 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: famous and thinks fame alone, right is currency? 460 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but it's not. Yes, I think that is 461 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: absolutely true. That is probably the big difference. 462 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: I know, the polls of little kids asking them, do 463 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: you want to be this, that or the other famous 464 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: has gone from you know, a rare answer, indeed to 465 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: virtually everybody says I want to be famous. 466 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: Now you can't go to the bank and say I'd 467 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: like to get a little for a home and say 468 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm famous. So if I could get a loane, my 469 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: collateral is people know me wherever I go. It doesn't 470 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: work that way currently, they might not a month from now. Yeah, ah, 471 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: I don't know what I think of that. That's interesting, 472 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: I'll bet you well. If we're old, Joe and I 473 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: are in the Winter of our lives and. 474 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: The winter Olympics of our lives. That's the way I 475 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: like to think of it. 476 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Back in the day, it seems like your Dorothy Hammill's 477 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: or whatever that won gold medals in the seventies became 478 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: you know, giant pitch people for you know, Florida or 479 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: Tide or whatever for many, many many years, and you 480 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: probably did become wealthy. 481 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that probably has to do with the 482 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: whole the flattening of the media and flattening of who 483 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: becomes famous, just the number of people who you would 484 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: say are really really famous. It was like, you know, 485 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: five a year back in the nineteen seventies, as opposed 486 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: to now there's a new one like in the morning 487 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: and then a new new one in the afternoon. 488 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: True, that is true. What a downer of a story 489 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: the New York Post does. I wonder if they could 490 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: work that into the Olympic coverage. And now we got 491 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: the gold medal competition, keeping in mind that the last 492 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: six gold medal winners ended up either drug addicts or prostitutes. 493 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: Let's watch their routine. 494 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's been a springboard for a lovely philosophical discussion, 495 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: so I think the New York Post, but yeah, that 496 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: would be What do you think is more likely, Jim, 497 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: she turns out to be a prostitute or a drug 498 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: addict or both. 499 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm predicting a series of broken marriages and then a foreclosure, Jim. 500 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: Let's see if she lands the double axle, and she 501 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: lands at all, she can see the gold medal from 502 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: where she is, and then the homelessness. But first the 503 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: gold medal. Somewhere out there, a future ex husband will 504 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: take all her money as applauding. That was quite the routine. Yeah, 505 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing. 506 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: It's absolutely the same thing, because I think back in 507 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: the day, if you were a wrestler or whatever, you 508 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: would realize I really care about this. 509 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: I love this. 510 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm approaching being the best in the world or damn near, 511 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go for this fully cognizant that 512 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: then I'm going to go back to work at my 513 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: dad's you know, autoparts store or whatever. 514 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. God, I feel like somebody like a manager or 515 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: a coach or a parent should be stepping in with 516 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: all these people. I feel like if one of my 517 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: kids was like the world's greatest bob slitter or something 518 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: like that, I would at some point gently tell them, 519 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: you could win the gold medal in bob sledting, but 520 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 2: that's you know, You're still gonna have to get a 521 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: job doing something. 522 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: Their loved ones are going to have to tell them that, 523 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: because the coaches, they want the athletes to think this, 524 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: I will transcend human life if I win this medal, 525 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: I will become a god. 526 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: It will actually, like in in not as many years 527 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: as you think, become kind of like an interesting trivia 528 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: thing somebody throws out at dinner while you're all eating, Hey, 529 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: you know something interesting about Jim here when the gold 530 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: medal is a bobsledder back in ninety eight. Wow, really 531 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: that must have been coy. That was kind of cool. 532 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: It's amazing, Is it scary? Yeah? That's about all it'll 533 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 2: be worth, right, Yeah, what an interesting situation. Thank you 534 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: New York Post. Trying to undermine NBC before the Olympic. 535 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, the the the it's not under its reality. 536 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: You're not a fan of reality, the sheen of everything 537 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: being wonderful and like like that line I like from 538 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: the Drive by Truckers, there's no such thing as a 539 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: happy ending. It's all just where you roll the credits 540 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: on the In the Olympics, they roll the credits at 541 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: you're eighteen years old, you just won the Olympics. Time stops. 542 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: You're you know, you're you're You're in Amber now for 543 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: forever as that thing. 544 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: You're the toast of the entire globe, and you roll 545 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: the credits. 546 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 2: And you don't need to worry about another thing. 547 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: Only witticisms from Snoop Dogg generally at the Olympics. 548 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Yes, even though you're only eighteen years old. AnyWho. Okay, 549 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: So the LAPD came out and said something interesting about 550 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: a new idea Gavin Newsom had going against Gavin Newsom's 551 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: idea for making it illegal for ice officers to wear 552 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: masks in the state of California, and LAPD came out 553 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: and had something to say about that. We'll get to 554 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: that next. If you want to throw up in your 555 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: mouth a little bit, stay tuned, because Vogue gave Gavin 556 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: Newsom the full happy ending tug article what the hell 557 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: is going on as he gets ready to run for 558 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: president in the way that Vogue always does with Democrats. 559 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: Remember when they did that the Beto o'rourk oh, Yes, 560 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: the infamous Beato. Anyway, it's way till you hear this 561 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: quote about what they said about Gavin it is it's 562 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: hard to believe it's not parody. It really really Oh wow. 563 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: So the whole masked ice agent's thing is is quite 564 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: the interesting story. And I don't know exactly where I 565 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: am on this or how we're going to figure this 566 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: out as a country, because he got these ICE agent's 567 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: mask We generally don't like the idea of our law 568 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: enforcement being masked for all kinds of you know, I 569 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: think obvious reasons. But now in the world of dosing, 570 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: if people can figure out who you are and they 571 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: hate you, well, then they figure out you know who 572 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: you are, and people are getting threats at home or 573 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: their wives threatened, and that the front door of their 574 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: own house, or kids at school and all kinds of 575 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: horrible stuff. 576 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how we're going to work this out. 577 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: I don't either, really, it's a real conundrum. 578 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: But anyway, Gavin Newsom came up with this idea. California 579 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: has got a band now in Ice masks. In California, 580 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: ICE cannot wear masks calling. But in a rebuke of 581 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom's band, this is what the LA Police Department 582 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: has said. 583 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 5: The reality of one armed agency approaching another armed agency 584 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: to create conflict over something that would be a misdemeanor 585 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 5: at best or an infraction, it doesn't make any sense. 586 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: So they're not going to do it. They're not going 587 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: to have the LAPD going and giving tickets to or 588 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: arresting ICE agents over something that is you know, a 589 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: misdemeanor at best, as he said, or an infraction. It's 590 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: like a parking ticket. 591 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, every Marxist smashing up a window in America is 592 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: wearing their fake COVID mask. 593 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: And I get the difference, I really do. But I'm 594 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: so much virtue signaling. You got interesting some of the 595 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: stories of these ice agents of like getting a letter. 596 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: Here's a picture of your wife and kids, you know, 597 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: in their back in the backyard of your home, right, 598 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: I mean, that's like horrible, it really is. Okay, so 599 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: we'll get away from horrible because this is just too 600 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 2: good at this is just too good. So Vogue is 601 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: doing the full glossy Gavin Newsom's the next JFK thing 602 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: that they do with democratic candidates every now and then. 603 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: I just sent everybody the picture to the group text. 604 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: Did you see the picture? Is that one of your 605 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: Annie Libwit's pictures. She's a famous photographer that makes everybody 606 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: look so fantastic. It's a family picture of Gavin Newsom 607 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: and one kid's holding the other kid upside down because 608 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: they're so wacky and normal. They got all their dogs 609 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: in the picture. Again, it's just so beautiful. Yes, Katie, 610 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: you have a comment on that before I get to 611 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: this quote, that one dog looks like we all feel, 612 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: he's trying to get the hell away from him. 613 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: But listen to that dog's moving Idaho, he's half out 614 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: of the frame. 615 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: Listen to this from the New Vogue profile of Gavin 616 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Newsom starts this way, let's get this out of the way. 617 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: He is embarrassingly handsome, his hair seasoned with silver, at 618 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: ease in his own eminence. Okay, I got to stop 619 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 2: there before I go on. Yeah, I gotta take a breath. 620 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: I gotta take a knee at ease in his own eminence. 621 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: Oh there's more. There's more. I'll read that sentence again, 622 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: because that is just How are you not embarrassed to 623 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: fawn over anybody like that? 624 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: I already feel like I'm in a bar fight and 625 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: a guy just like really tagged me, and I'm thinking, oh, 626 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: this is this is bad. 627 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: I'm getting woozy already. Yeah, whoa, this is bad. Let's 628 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: get this out of the way. He's embarrassingly handsome, his 629 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: hair seasoned with silver, at ease, with his own eminence, live, ardent, energetic, 630 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: a glimmer of optimism in his eye. Kennedy almost have 631 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: to slow down a little bit so much here, I 632 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: know why? 633 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: Comfortable with my own eminence. I need to get more 634 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: comfortable like Gavin. 635 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's wrong. Model. Not only does he have eminence, 636 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: he's at ease with it, yes, which is just interesting. 637 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: With his own eminence live aren't energetic, a glimmer of 638 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: optimism in his eye? Kennedy esque. Oh, how would you 639 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: describe Joe Wow, lithe and ardent. I mean, let's start there. 640 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: Come for the live, stay for the ardent, That's what 641 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: I say. Good lord, this is too much. This is 642 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: like a parody. If I was going to write a 643 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: parody a Vogue doing a Gavin piece, this is what 644 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: I would have said. Yeah, this is Andrew Styles in 645 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: the Free Beatle. Yeah. He's embarrassingly handsome, his hair seasoned 646 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: with silver, at ease with his own eminence, live, ardent, energetic, 647 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: a glimmer of optimism in his eye Kennedy esque. Add 648 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: that to his stunning wife and four doorable kids and 649 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: the executive strut of a self made millionaire. 650 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: Wow, god, god, if I had Pelosi money in my pocket, 651 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: I could be a self made millionaire. 652 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: Two. Oh my god. Add that to his stunning wife, 653 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: four doorable kids, and the executive strut of a self 654 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: made millionaire. Oh his other talk just moved in Asheville. Whoops. 655 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: Oh what is unbelievable. I gotta read the whole article. 656 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: I mean, if that's the opening paragraph, what is this 657 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 2: article like? You know what? 658 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: I got to dig up the old betto one and 659 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: we'll play a little game betto or gafvin. 660 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: God, you have no shame, Vogue. She missed the segment 661 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on the Man Armstrong 662 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: and Getdy