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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Hello everyone, I'm Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: here with Fox Nation and we are just outside the

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Speaker 1: Murdog murder trial courthouse. It's happening right behind us. It's

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Speaker 1: been quite a day in the courtroom this morning. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you what's been happening so far. It took

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Speaker 1: the defense a long time to get started. They were

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Speaker 1: cross examining a crime scene analyst. She was really good

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Speaker 1: on the stay, Melinda Worley. Now we met her for

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Speaker 1: the first time. Last week. The state had her up

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Speaker 1: on direct examination. The cross examination this morning. It was

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Speaker 1: Dick harpoot Lean at his best. But can I tell

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Speaker 1: you he really had the gum and the works. He

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Speaker 1: did not have all of his photos and his demonstrative

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Speaker 1: evidence ready. There was a lot of shuffling around in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom, long delays. The judge finally said, everybody, let's

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Speaker 1: take a break so the defense can get it together.

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Speaker 1: The jury left the courtroom. The jury came back in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. There was more bumbling around, but finally Harputlin

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Speaker 1: made his point, and his point is wait for it.

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Speaker 1: Could there have been two shooters based on the trajectory

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Speaker 1: path of the bullets and think about this. Think about

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Speaker 1: having a ball of styrofoam, and you take a knitting

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Speaker 1: a knitting needle and you stab it into the styrofoam ball.

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Speaker 1: That needle would be the trajectory path of the bullet aiming. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and Hartpoolian made a really good argument about that. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation. In

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Speaker 1: series Sex one eleven, I want to introduce to you,

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Speaker 1: my guests. I'm going to take him one at a time. First,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Robert Crispin, private investigator former

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Speaker 1: d EA Miami Field Division now is at Crispin Special Investigations.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who just joining us, We're live

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Speaker 1: outside the Murdoid Courthouse and I've learned a lot this morning.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, please try and explain in simple terms what

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Speaker 1: Hartpoolian is up to in the courtroom smoking mirrors. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to put a bunch of smoking mirrors up to

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Speaker 1: the jury to detract them from the truth. What he's

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Speaker 1: talking about is the flight rod that the investigators have

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Speaker 1: put into the hole where the trajectory went. They're talking

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Speaker 1: about the dog cage. So they're saying now that there's

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Speaker 1: an eighty two degrees angle of that trajectory going into

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Speaker 1: that cage that puts it way up here. Hence why

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Speaker 1: he's saying, we have a second shooter who could have

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Speaker 1: been higher. He completely caught that investigator on. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, let me understand what you're saying. He was

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Speaker 1: saying in court. Hey, guys. In addition to Crispin, with me,

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Speaker 1: as doctor Michelle Duprie, former forensic pathologists, medical examiner, detective,

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Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, author of homotide

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Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide. She also knows her way around ballistics.

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Speaker 1: Doctor dupree, Please everybody on the panel jump in. But

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Speaker 1: doctor Dupree, let's follow up on what Crispin just said.

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Speaker 1: One Hart Pooling is trying to tell this jury and

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Speaker 1: said there were two shooters, okay, And he's right now

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Speaker 1: arguing it through his cross examination that based on the

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Speaker 1: trajectory path This is important, guys, Based on the trajectory

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Speaker 1: path of the bullet, like did it come from up

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Speaker 1: to down? Did it come from right to left? He's

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Speaker 1: arguing that I guess there had to be a sniper

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Speaker 1: at that angle. That that's what he's trying to say,

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Speaker 1: doctor Chael, debris. But here's here's the fly in the ointment. Maggie.

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Speaker 1: Her body had stipling. That's important, explain, doctor Duprie. What

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Speaker 1: is stipling? Yes, Nancy, it is possible there could have

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Speaker 1: is a close up, down just a moment. Not everybody

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Speaker 1: stipling on Maggie's body. It's burning from the shooting. It's

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Speaker 1: a contact shot. Why that defeats the theory that somebody's

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Speaker 1: And many things come out of the barrel of a

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Speaker 1: the courtroom with me. Anne Emerson, Senior investigative reporter w CIV,

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Speaker 1: host of Unsolved South Carolina, the Murderike, Murders, Money and Mystery,

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Speaker 1: which I have listened to about ten times. Anne Emerson,

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Speaker 1: agendicate to you there were two shooting, and the shooter

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Speaker 1: it a possibility that they're two shooting based on the

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you. I mean one one explanation would

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Speaker 1: be movement. Correct. One explanation would be would be two shooters?

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Speaker 1: what they're to kill? Paul? And and uh, that's a

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna say I love Melenda Worley. Did you

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Speaker 1: hear Hartpootlean tried to lead her down the garden path

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Speaker 1: and she was very nice about it, and she go, no, no,

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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, Anne Emerson joining us doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. I'm hearing in

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Speaker 1: is Eric Bland. He is the founding partner of Bland

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Speaker 1: She helped raise these children, Paul now dead, and Buster,

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Speaker 1: to him, Eric Bland, who's argued so many times to

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Speaker 1: of it so far? Eric Bland? Well, I think that

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Speaker 1: They know that he stole almost ten million dollars from clients.

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Speaker 1: They know that he betrayed his law firm, he betrayed

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Speaker 1: Remember the state's spending millions of dollars vindicating and championing

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Speaker 1: this is sending a strong message. You also heard this morning, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Lean is doing so great. He's carving up these witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Eric Bland, who is representing the Glorious Sadderfield family who

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Speaker 1: Murdoch clan. You say that it has been said that

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Speaker 1: I'll be darned if I was paying that kind of

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Speaker 1: there extalling how great a job that Dick's doing. Look,

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Speaker 1: I get it, he is a good lawyer. I get it.

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Speaker 1: back and do their jobs. That's what we want with

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Speaker 1: our law enforcement officers. Nancy. I wish they wouldn't say

425
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: that's not my job, because that tends to suggest some

426
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: sort of app feeling that's not my job. But to

427
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the point of saying, well, sorry, I'm a crime scene tech.

428
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: My job is, and say what her job is because

429
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: she did her job, and she did a darn good job.

430
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: She talks about getting a ten thirty three PM call

431
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night side of bed and

432
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: she's at the crime scene at twelve o seven in

433
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the morning, ready to process a double murder scene. To

434
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: have them say it's not my job could make them

435
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: sound apathetic, like I'm not doing it, that's not my job.

436
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: That's not at all the case. They were doing their

437
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: jobs and doing a pretty good job of it. Crime

438
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we got a three prong

439
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: attack going on this morning in the courthouse right beside

440
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: me in the double murder trial of Legal Air Alex Murdog.

441
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: There is the two attacker theory, and that's based on

442
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: the trajectory path of the bullets that entered the bodies

443
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: of Paul and Maggie. We have the bloody footprint suggesting

444
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: the States screwed up the scene, there's no nice way

445
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: to put it. And we have the third prong of

446
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: this morning attacks about blood on a shirt or light

447
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: thereof Take a listen to this straight out of the courtroom.

448
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: You would agree with me that this shirt has it

449
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it just came back from the laundry,

450
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: just got smudges down here and generally stains here and there,

451
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: correct not completely clean. And it seems to be something

452
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: on the bottom that looks like a handprint. Does it nothing?

453
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see a handprint that was on the body.

454
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: Hem footage where he was wiping his face with the

455
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: shirt right there. You did this with LCV right, that's

456
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: what they call a presumptive test. It could be human blood.

457
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: It could also be animal blood. It also could be detergent.

458
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Could it be something other than which it's something other

459
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: than human blood. It doesn't it doesn't determine whether it's

460
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: human or no, not right, So it could be animal blood.

461
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: It's possible, could be detergent, detergent oftentimes not bleach. Maybe bleach. Okay, Okay.

462
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: He's talking about testing the shirt with LCD testing and

463
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Emerson joining us to WCIV ABC News. This is Harpulian's

464
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: third prong of his attack on the States. Some of

465
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: their most critical evidence this morning. Explain what he's trying

466
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: to say. Well, there's a you know, this is gonna

467
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: get more and more interesting because we've been privy to

468
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: precral motions. But what he's talking about right now is

469
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: the LTD that was freed on the T shirt. I

470
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: don't think this is the last time he's going to

471
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: talk about it either, because there was enough lame. All

472
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: that eat that is destroyed the court in the end,

473
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: and the defense was not able to examine it like

474
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: they needed to. Now, what we did here was it

475
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: the test team back after the LTD, which is the

476
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: sort of do we see anything on there? And they

477
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: go and they look at they look at it with

478
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: team of treats. They take it one more step further

479
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: and at that point they say no blood is bound

480
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: and then he cut it off and went streaks to

481
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: the short we did not. I feel like he got

482
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: a clear end of the testimony on that, which teams

483
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: that he's got a lot more to say about that

484
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking from the defense, I don't think

485
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: they're done yet. Robert Crispin joining me, Former d EA

486
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: and Miami Field officer Crispin, thanks for being with us

487
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: from Crispin Investigations dot com. What is he trying to do?

488
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: What is Hart Putley and trying to do with Murdom's shirt?

489
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Now we know that this was a very bloody crime

490
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: scene and the shirt looked really pristained to the naked eye.

491
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: What's he trying to do right here, Crispin, Just like

492
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the bullet, he's trying to detract and

493
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: say that there was no blood on there. When the

494
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: issues are and if we can go back for just

495
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: a second, and I want to talk about this second

496
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: shooter theory for just a minute, and to understand, and

497
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: this is where it's going to come back, and it's

498
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: going to haunt the defense because now the state knows

499
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: where the defense is going on the second shooter issue,

500
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: and they're going to slam at home when they put

501
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: their ballistics expert out there, because to understand the velocity

502
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: that a bullet comes out of an AAR fifteen at

503
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: thirty two hundred feet a second or twenty two hundred

504
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: miles an hour into a cage, I don't know too

505
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: many cages that are made of solid steel. I think

506
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with, you're dick. You're dealing with a ricochet,

507
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to come back, and that's

508
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: going to haunt the defense and that's going out in

509
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: the jury's see that? Wow? I like, they go ahead. Now,

510
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about the shirt. They're trying to get the

511
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: juraity here that there was no blood on the shirt.

512
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to do. But I don't care

513
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: that there was no blood on the shirt. We already

514
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: know everything that's been going on. My theory is he's

515
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: already changed his shirt before he called law enforcement. He

516
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: probably took a shower before he contacted law enforcement. And

517
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: the problem with those LCD test is, yes, they do

518
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: give a produmcptive test for the hemoglobments in the blood,

519
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: but they also do test positive for bleach and rust.

520
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: That's a problem, but it does help law enforcement on

521
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: a scene when they come across bodily fluid to say, hey, yeah,

522
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: that's blood, let's go ahead and test set. Let's collect

523
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: that that could be DNA, especially like around a window

524
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: of a burglary, when you have blood around a broken window,

525
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: you can put that on there and you can get

526
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: a positive test in the hemoglobans to show that it's

527
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: blood right there. We could pull and we can secure

528
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: it and we can DNA test it. So when we

529
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: do get a suspect, we've got your DNA inside the

530
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: house with your blood during the burglary. What about it

531
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: with me? Doctor Michelle Dupree, former forensic pathologist, medical examiner,

532
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: and detective, What do you make of it Dodgor's debris. Well,

533
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: the fact that there's no blood on our allegedly no

534
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: blood on the shark. I don't think that's really an

535
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: issue either, because we believe that he wore a jacket

536
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: over that we know that he took a jacket, a

537
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: blue jacket to his mother's house and hit it. We've

538
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: heard that that has a lot of GSR on it.

539
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt if that also didn't have blood on

540
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: it as well. You know, I'm just thinking back over

541
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: what has been happening in the courtroom this morning. Right

542
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: behind me, it was a completely different tone when the

543
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: prosecution took over the direct examination of the second witness

544
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: that took the stand today. But I just want to

545
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: follow through with the theory, Eric Bland. The presumption of innocence,

546
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: of course, we all understand that. But to believe to

547
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: believe that Alex Murdog did not commit a double murder, Eric,

548
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: we would have to believe that he was at the

549
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: murder scene what about five or six minutes before the murders,

550
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: and that he was back at the murder scene an

551
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: hour later, and that somehow in that one hour time

552
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: period somebody else came in and murdered both of them

553
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: and got away scott free. Is that the theory. That

554
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: is the theory. The problem for him is that when

555
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: he comes out of the house, he's gonna smell gunpowder.

556
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: That was an urban warfare that took on there with

557
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: the three hundred rifle as well as two shotguns. When

558
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: he gets in his car, he's gonna at least have

559
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: heard before he got in his car the shots, or

560
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna smell gunpowder. Plus he sent numerous messages that

561
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: neither Paul nor his wife answered. So I just don't

562
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: understand how he thinks it's going to be reasonable for

563
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: somebody to assume. Yep, I left the scene of the murders.

564
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: I went and saw my mother. I started creating my

565
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: alibi by texting and making phone calls to a lot

566
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: of different people. And then I come back and all

567
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I decide I'm going to go to

568
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: the chemicals and the kennel excuse me, and now I

569
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: discover the murder scene. Nancy. I do want to address

570
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: one thing. There's one thing that is stuck in my

571
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: crawl since Dick Krputlian did his opening statement, and that

572
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: is he said it was his honor to represent Alex Murdock.

573
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: Now I don't mind a defense attorney's saying I represent

574
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Alex Murdock and I believe he's not guilty of murder.

575
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: But he knows that his client disgraced our legal profession,

576
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: stole ten million dollars from his clients, of which I've

577
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: gotten seven and a half million dollars back for our clients.

578
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know a lawyer in the world that

579
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: would stand up and say, it's my honor to represent

580
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: a thief that disgraced our profession. You made me think

581
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: of something about going to see his mother that night.

582
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Isn't the whole reason he lured Maggie to the hunting

583
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: lodge was to go see the father. Wasn't the father

584
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: in Savannah Memorial Medical Center? Wasn't Weren't they supposed to

585
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: two days later? I thought the whole reason was to

586
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: go see the dad. But correct, he didn't go see

587
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: the dad, and he certainly didn't take Maggie to see

588
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the dad. You know what else, it's not credible, Nancy.

589
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: The fact is that he said when he got in

590
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: the car with the investigators, it was the boating accident.

591
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: My son Paul had numerous death threats against him. What

592
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: parent in the world wouldn't report that to the police.

593
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: There's not one police report where the mother the father

594
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: reported that his life was threatened. That is not another

595
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: credible explanation Nancy, Oh guys, yes, I've got that teed

596
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: up for you. He is a go ahead jump in dodger. Okay, okay.

597
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: So also that same night, he is asked about his

598
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: relationship with Paul and he answers something I find very strange.

599
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: He says, as good as it could be. What does

600
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: that mean? As good as it could be under the circumstances.

601
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: I think that was a strange answer. That's a really

602
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: good point. I'm gonna have to bring in our shrink

603
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: on that. But I want you to hear this back

604
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: to what Bland was just saying, let's go out of order.

605
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I want the listeners to hear our cut five where

606
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: this is immediately and I think he even says it

607
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: on the nineber one call starts laying blame back to

608
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: the Mallory Beach boat crash. Take a listen to our

609
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: cut five. This is murdog caught on bodycam video. Listener,

610
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: firearm you brought from inside the house? Yes, I want

611
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: to get This is a long story. Most of them

612
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: was in a boat rack of a few months back.

613
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: He's been getting threats. Most of them has been the

614
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: nine stuff we didn't date serious um you know he's

615
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: been getting a punch none somebody. I've notice what it

616
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: is when when you previously testify that he mentioned the

617
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: boat cases or the boat rack. That's correct. Prior to

618
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: me asking him anything about it, he did mention him.

619
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: There he is at the beginning laying out a potential assailant.

620
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: And I want you to hear one more thing. And guys,

621
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: we have a crime scene photos that were just seen

622
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Um, I will tag them whenever you

623
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: put them up from the control room, but I want

624
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: you to also here. I found this really interesting. And

625
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: our cut four they are asking, oh, guys, hold on,

626
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: here we go. This just happened. This is the gun

627
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: room inside the hunting lodge. I think there were oh

628
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: oh gosh, there's blood that looks like smear to me

629
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: on the wall. Here's more inside. And these are photos

630
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: that were taking the night of the murders. There is

631
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: blood markings there. I don't believe that spatter that looks

632
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: to be a drip mark to me. Take a look

633
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: at that on the ground. That's a trial exhibit that

634
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: has just been brought into evidence is referred to in

635
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: the courtroom. These are all crime scene photos. That were

636
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: alluded to or used during the direct and cross examinations.

637
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: We were just listening to. Now the defense really through

638
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: a fit when this came in. They did not want

639
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: the jury to know how many weapons and how many

640
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: high powered assault type rifles and shotguns were there. For

641
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: some reason, they did not want the jury to see

642
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: this or know about this. These are trial exhibits you're seeing, guys.

643
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: I want you to hear murder speaking. It's caught on

644
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: body him audio. This is immediately after his wife and

645
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: son were found murdered by him, and I can remember it.

646
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm projecting right here. After my fiance was murdered. I

647
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: couldn't even stand to hear the radio, the TV. I

648
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk to anybody. Nothing they said was

649
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: making any sense to me. And right in the middle

650
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: of them asking about it, somebody watched the body and goes, hey, hey, man,

651
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: how are you doing. I want you to hear this.

652
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut four. What's her niece,

653
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: lady's Naggie murder, Margaret brand standard murder? Are you doing? Um?

654
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Pause right there? What did the defendant just say? Let

655
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: me back it up? Are you doing? What did the

656
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: defendants say right there. So all I'm in the process

657
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: of gathering information about the two victims from mister murdole.

658
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: Somebody walks by behind me and he pauses what he's

659
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: telling me to say, hey, how are you doing? How

660
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah? And who was that? He said

661
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: that too. I'm not one hundred percent certain. I believe

662
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: it was a fire rescue individual. Okay, can I bring

663
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: in our shrink? And I mean that in a loving

664
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: and caring way, Doctor Angie, And I know I'm projecting

665
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: and everyone acts differently, but I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink,

666
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't think. After Keith was murdered, and here are

667
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: guys walking by and goes, hey, man, how you doing.

668
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: His wife and son are lying there with their brains

669
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: at their feet. He's like, hey man, what, Nancy? You

670
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: are so right about that. It shows how detached he

671
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: is and what happened. And again smoke and mirrors like

672
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: everyone is talking about how in the world could you

673
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: take your mind off of this and just go hey, hey,

674
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You could never do that. And

675
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: I do realize that everyone reacts differently to things, Nancy,

676
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: but not in such a cavalier fashion. You would not

677
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: see that kind of behavior from someone who was truly

678
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: upset and truly attached to the individuals that were murdered

679
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: in front of helm. I'm circling back to our guests

680
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: and Emerson is joining me straight out of the courtroom,

681
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: joining us wc ivy and give us a recap of

682
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: what has happened this morning. Once Hart Potley and got

683
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: his papers in order, that took about the first I

684
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: would say thirty five minutes at least, that's correct. Yeah,

685
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: Once we got through the propt on Agent Wary, we

686
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: were able to learn a little bit more about what

687
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: was going on with you know, as far as what

688
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: the defense was trying to accomplish here. As we discussed,

689
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: they were trying to establish that the crime scene was

690
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: not preserved as pictured in a way that would rule

691
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: out other shooters, other people being on the scene. That

692
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: was a big that's something he's been doing for the

693
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: last few days of testimate, since the very beginning really,

694
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: and they also really wanted to make sure that everybody

695
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: knew about the blood scene. And once they got through

696
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: the T shirt being clean and how could somebody with

697
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: a T shirt that that's clean could have been part

698
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: of such a brutal attack. We got into what was

699
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: going on with the prosecution. The state has fought back.

700
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: They came back with a lot of evidence, not only

701
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: what we talked about with the cell phone evidence, they're

702
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: they're really narrowing that timeline because we know that Paul

703
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: was a younger, he used his phone all the time.

704
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: At forty four he talked to his buddy, and then

705
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: eight fifty nine when a buddy tries to call him back.

706
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: This is evidence that's already getting put in, you know,

707
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: on the record. He doesn't answer, and Maggie doesn't answer.

708
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Comes on just a second, and I want to nail

709
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: down that time. I've got so many notes I took,

710
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: but you just said it perfectly. What time does Alex murdog?

711
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: What time does he say? Well, no, let me nail

712
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: it down even better. What time is the snapchat that

713
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: Paul sends his friend And we heard a little bit

714
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: about that this morning. It seems that Paul was taking

715
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: care of a friend's dog and the dog had some

716
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: type of an injury. That is a snapchat video that

717
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: everyone's wanting to know. What's the content? The friend asked him,

718
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I think his name was Rogie. Oh, here we go,

719
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: right here, Rogie Gibson. And he asked Paul just take

720
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: a video and send it to me. So Paul takes

721
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the video, and in that video it's very clear that

722
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: Alex Murdog is there. What time was that video sent?

723
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: And well, we pretolled in the opening statements they talked

724
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: about the cell phone video from what I and that

725
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: would have been what you're talking about this snapchat and

726
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: we're waiting to see I think we're waiting to still

727
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: hear a little bit more details about that. What I

728
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: heard in testimony today was the phone call that Paul

729
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: made to Rogan Gibson at eight forty four pm. And

730
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: at eight forty nine Rogan resplied. Obviously they're talking about

731
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: this injured dog, and he goes back and says to

732
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: that Marian wants to take it to a vet. Get

733
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: trying to get him to sit and stay and don't

734
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: want him to be moving around. And that was to

735
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Paul from Rogan. And then that was a text and

736
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: then you know, he didn't hear anything. He didn't hear anything.

737
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: He said one, two, three, four five. I've got five

738
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: phone calls from Rogan to fall after that, starting at

739
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: nine ten am and eight cents, another tech he tries

740
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: to reach Maggie doesn't happen, so it really narrows that timeline.

741
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: And I think that snapchat video is going to be

742
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: that poland one that the prosecution's hoping to bring in

743
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: to really make it obvious that something sad happened in

744
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: a matter of five And this was, oh, in just

745
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: a few moments, because the way I've got it written down,

746
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: and Anne correct me if I'm wrong. To Eric Bland,

747
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer who's representing the glory of Sudderfield family,

748
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: that they were going back and forth about the video

749
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: of the dog at eight forty four. At nine o'clock,

750
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: nine o'clock sharp, that's what I've got in my notes.

751
00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: Calls from the friend Rogan Gibson were unanswered, and that's

752
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: when I think we have our time of the killings.

753
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: At nine o'clock he kept trying to text him and

754
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: call him, and finally at nine thirty four, Eric Bland,

755
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: he texts Maggie to tell Paul to call me, and

756
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: Maggie also does not respond. So between eight forty four

757
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: and nine o'clock, two murders went down. That's the way

758
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: I see it, Eric Bland. Yeah, at seven forty five

759
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: is when the snapchat was Nancy, and that shows Alex

760
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: in a different set of clothes from what we understand.

761
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: And then there was a video that was taken right

762
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: before Paul died that he sent to his friend showing

763
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: the tale and the dog was injured, and Alex's voice

764
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: is in that in that video. And Craydon Wood said

765
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: he believes the time of death happened around eight fifty

766
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: four because at eight fifty five the phones of Paul

767
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: and Maggie he went dead. Okay, hold on just a moment.

768
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: He just dropped a bombshell on me right there. Eric

769
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: Bland and anybody on the panel jump in. Could you

770
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: repeat what you said about Alex Murdod having on different

771
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: clothes in the video than what he had on when

772
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: the cops got there in the snapchat. In the snapchat

773
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: at seven forty five, I supposedly we're gonna see that

774
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: he had on different clothes, long pants and a different shirt. Now,

775
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: when the police showed up after the nine one call

776
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock. After ten o'clock, he was wearing a

777
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: white tshirt and those green olive khaki shorts. So we're

778
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: going to have possibly a change of clothes taking place.

779
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: Before he was the murders, he was wearing one thing.

780
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: After the murders, he was wearing another thing. And don't

781
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: forget he took a blue coat to his mother's house

782
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: two days later. I don't know who does that. I

783
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: don't go take a coat and hide it it my

784
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: mother's house two days after my wife and son got

785
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: for a bit of murdered. Plus there's this seat belt

786
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: that's now in evidence from his suburban, and we know

787
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: that there's GSR on there, and I'm banking on Nancy

788
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: that there's going to be blood on there because I

789
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: don't think that Creton Waters is going to go through

790
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: the whole shirt that the fact that the shirt possibly

791
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: is now ruined and couldn't be tested by the defense.

792
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Bevil's going to come in because I

793
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: think that was a trojan horse that Creton Waters was

794
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: setting Dick up on. Dick focused on that T shirt

795
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: for three months, and I think there's other credible, cogent

796
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: evidence of blood that'll be on that seat belt and

797
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: on other places in the car and also the amount

798
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: of GSR on the coat and the seatbelt. And I've

799
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: got a question to Crispin. Put it jumps up, you

800
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: put the seat belt on to go up to get

801
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: the twelve gate shot gun at the house. I mean

802
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,959
Speaker 1: that would be literally the only time but that would

803
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: make sense for Alex Murdoch to have that seat don't

804
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: get any kind of of any kind of residue on it, right,

805
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you would literally have to be going from

806
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: discovering the bodies to getting the twelve the stocks gunning

807
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: coming back. And that is the only thing I think

808
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: the defense side, if they see anything on that seat belt,

809
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: what about from leaving the crime scene to go to

810
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: his mother's house. Yeah, if there's dr and blood on it,

811
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: then he's got a big troblem. And at what time

812
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: was the nine one one? And do we know the

813
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: time of the nine one one? I want to go

814
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: to Robert Crispin, private investigator joining US former d EA

815
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: and homicide Robert Crispin. There is no eyewitness here, and

816
00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: many people argue it's just circumstantial. Under the law law

817
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: the black and white letter of the law which will

818
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: be read to the jury during jury instructions circumstantial evidence

819
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: is to be considered under the law anyway as powerful

820
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: is direct evidence. Of course, the jury, it's their sole

821
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: province to determine the facts and the law however they

822
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: see fit. But it's not just that the wardrobe change

823
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: that Eric Bland was pointing out. It's not just the

824
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: gunshot residue. It's not just him being at the scene

825
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: five minutes before the murders and then he comes back

826
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: and whoops, they're dead. It's not just his demeanor. Each

827
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: one of these a brick in the wall building the

828
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: case for the state. All taken together, I mean, how

829
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: in they why would you have a wardrobe change? Well,

830
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: these are all pieces of the puzzle that are going

831
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: to put the picture together at the end when this

832
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: is all over. We have the video, we have the

833
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: voice on the video. We've got the change of clothes.

834
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: We've got the blue jacket that went to the mom's

835
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: house with gunshot residue on it. We've got the seatbelt

836
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: with the gun residue on it. Every single one of

837
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: these are going to be a piece of the puzzle

838
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: that's going to come down to the end, and it's

839
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: going to be a crystal clear picture for the jury.

840
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: This is exactly why the defense is trying to do

841
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: their best to create a diversion. And this is what

842
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: defense lawyers do. They create a diversion when the facts

843
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: are against them. So you're going to see in time

844
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: as this plays out, and obviously there's a lot more

845
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: to come, that puzzle is coming together, and I think

846
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: at the end of this, I don't even think just

847
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: jury is going to deliberate very long. I think they're

848
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: going to come right back with the right decision. We

849
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't even discuss the ballistic evidence, the cartridge evidence that

850
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: the jury is going to hear. So Anne Emerson, if

851
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: you could give us your takeaway from today, what would

852
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: it be, Well, I think that it just keeps on

853
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: coming back to the fact that here was a very

854
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: very there was very little time for two killers, a

855
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: large crime team that was unfolding, with Alex still in

856
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: the house. It's going to be it's a tough mountain

857
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: of clime for the defense to be able to say

858
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't have heard or a smelled, or witness

859
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: anything happening down by the kennel within that period between

860
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: the time that the murder stopped and when he went

861
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: to his mother's We know is at nine o six

862
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: pm because that's when its heart turned on. So as

863
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: far as what they've introduced so far, so there's a

864
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 1: there's a very tough timeline to fight here for all

865
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: of the crime team that they have been disturbed that night.

866
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that the Constitution is doing a pretty solid

867
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: job of saying the things that were disturbed, it's okay.

868
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: It didn't change the way you have been looking at

869
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: this pace, um And I think I think that's my

870
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: big takeaway. Also, I think it's very hard to get

871
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: around the fact about the ballistics. But you just said

872
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: the gun evidence that's coming into place. The fact that

873
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: those same, the same type of the same type of

874
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: AMMO were found in the house right off the bat.

875
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: That's going to be very hard to do for the

876
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: jurors to forget or even make it okay unless someone

877
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: else has alounced this to their house their AMMO. Another

878
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: thing that struck me, Doctor Angie Arnold. And if I

879
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: could get the control room to put up oh there

880
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: is that was the last witness before the lunch break

881
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: right there, If I could get you guys to put

882
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: up those crime scene photos again when they showed and

883
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: the whole courtroom cannot see the evidence. I just happened

884
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: to be able to look over some people's shoulders as

885
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: I was sitting there and see on their computers what

886
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: the jury was seeing. And I looked at that blood

887
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: spatter and the blood smear doctor Angie, and I looked

888
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: at the jury and they were just staring at that

889
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: blood because that blood was the life's blood of the

890
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: mother Maggie and the son Paul. And I looked over

891
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: at the defendant and he did not even blink, and I,

892
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean nothing. Sometimes and I even look at my

893
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: dad's picture, it chokes me up because I remember I

894
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: was there in the room when he died. I mean,

895
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: murdog didn't even bat an eye looking at the blood

896
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: of his son and his wife all over a dog kennel. Wow,

897
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: you know Nancy. Again, like I said, is people say

898
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: that he had such a close relationship with his wife.

899
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe he was as attached to his wife

900
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: and his son as they want us to believe. Well,

901
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good feeling that if they bring

902
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: that up in their case in chief of the defense,

903
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: the state is going to have a rebuttal case to that. Guys,

904
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm hearing in my ear they're counting me down. I

905
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: guess that means I'm going back into the courtroom. We're

906
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: alive outside the Murdoch trial and the evidence of unfolding

907
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: fast and furious. Thanks for being with us, everybody. I'll

908
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: see them all.