1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, hey, everybody, welcome to the show. I'm glad 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: you're here. Glad we're coming to your ears. Hey, I 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: just wrote that nice. It was very bouncy. Yeah, well 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm feeling bouncy. I like that. I feel bouncy. It's uh, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: eight thirty at night. I just had some coffee for 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: some stupid reason. But well, we were going to record, 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: so I wanted to That's true. You're ready and I 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: will deal with those consequences tomorrow. Hi everybody, Hi, so 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: good to have you. Always, yes, always, I'm Diana, I'm Eli. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: We are excited to have you. We're excited to tell 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: this story. Um, gotta do a little housekeeping here first, 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: because man, we are backed up on our machine here 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: and we have yet It's been a minute since we 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: have checked our answering machine. Just answer the question. So 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: back in our Rachel and Jackie Robinson episode, we asked you, guys, 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: what in the world lettering in sports or any subject 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: or any subject? Because yeah, I we didn't realize you could. Well, 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I letter in drama, but I still don't know what 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the hell it means, right exactly? And what how do you? 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, what does it mean because I 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: did go to school with any of that stuff. So 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: fortunately y'all rose to this occasion and gave us many 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: answers that were awesome. So at Lady T on Twitter, 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: she told us that she remembered that she lettered in 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: Banned while she was listening to that episode, kind of 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: like el I was like, oh, yeah, you know what 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: I had lettered in them? Yea. She reminded us about 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Tammy Curry and dropped Dead Gorgeous. Of course, of course, right, 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: so she's got She sent us a gift of like 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Tammy showing off all the patches for all the things 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: she's lettered in, and it was the school initials on 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: the front and then individual sports and club patches down 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: the arm of the jacket. So that's a letter jacket. 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Trump Dead Gorgeous is so good. Well, I hate to 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: say it, but I've actually never seen drop dead gorgeous. 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Perhaps I didn't know about that. We are going to 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: stop recording right now and go watch drop Dead Gorgeous, 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: because what are you talking about? I don't know. It's 39 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: one I never was. People have talked about it, have 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: told me about it many times. I don't understand. Never 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: got around to it. I swore that was like in 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: our vows, something about how like and I'm so glad 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: that you've also seen drop dead gorgeous, it's so funny. 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Smiles and shine on Twitter also let us know that 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: if you letter more than once, you get the letter first, yeah, 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: and then a pin or a patch to put on 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: that letter for every additional year you letter. I do 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: remember getting bars to pin onto my letter for drama. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Smiles lettered in field hockey and got a pair of 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: crossed field hockey sticks, and for track and field got 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: a track cleat. See that's cool. We gotta boring, asked 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: like silver bar. Yeah, there you get some get like 53 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: drama masks or anything like that, which on a like, 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm so sick of the drama masks being representative of 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: the entirety of theater. I'm like, it's been six hundred years. 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Can we come up with something else? And Linda on 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: Instagram lettered in orchestra. She played violin, so her pin 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: was like a music staff and harp. Beautiful, I know. 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: And she also told us that there are different styles 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: of letters to denote varsity and junior varsity, which, okay, 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: that was a whole other level. I was like, what 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: now that just keeps going. So anyway, we'll culture here 63 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: at these letters. What going on with these letters? That 64 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: I had no idea? But these pins sound cute as halee. 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean again, 66 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: I probably still have those boring as little silver bars 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: around here somewhere. It's too bad you didn't get a 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: cool looking yeah something like um, like a I don't, 69 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all. Now you have to write in 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: and tell us would be a cool idea besides the 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: drama masks to represent theater, get like a rough, like 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: an Elizabethan rough for Shakespeare. No, you know it's the same, 73 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's just a dated you know. 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: It's just like this archaic image. Like, give me some 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: fresh and poppy and modern. I want to know what 76 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: represents theater now. How come whenever we talk about theater, 77 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: the first thing anybody thinks about is years ago. You know. Look, 78 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just all the avant garde stuff is 79 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: flashing in my mind. I'm like, you can't let her 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: in Andy Warhol's weird pig thing show. Let he put 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: on let's hear it. Well, thank you guys for educating 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: us on letters. And I hope that if you didn't 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: know these things and you're a regular listener, that you've 84 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: now learned as well. Yeah. Yeah, another great answering machine. 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, appreciate that. It's nice. It's nice to learn 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: so much from you while we're here to impart knowledge. Yeah, 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: and one day one of our listeners is going to 88 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: be on Jeopardy and there's going to be an answer 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: comes up about lettering, and they're gonna have it and 90 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, ridiculous romance air. And then I hope 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: one of your categories is strange relationships throughout history. And 92 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Drew Carry is who's hosting Jeopardy? Now, Drew Carry, That's 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: not right, that's crisis, right, whoever they got my ambiolic 94 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: temporarily and whatever. I hope that's not my Jeopardy answer. 95 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: I know, I thought, like, so this person just Jeopardy, 96 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: who is Drew Carry. Look, we're not here to talk 97 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: about true Carry today. We are here to talk about 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: marguite Alie bet. We are returning to France. Boy, we 99 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: we truly the epicenter of ridiculous romances. Right, But anyway, 100 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Marguerite Alibert was beautiful. She was charming, daring, sensuous, avaricious, 101 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: everything you need to be to be a successful high 102 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: class Parisian courtes on. In the turn of the century. 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I guess I should now, I have to say, in 104 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: the turn of the yes, I forgot. I have to 105 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: say that, right, we've had We've had another century turn 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: since then, goddamn. And she had some of the wealthiest, 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: most high born clients from several countries, including the Prince 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: of Wales. But it was the impossibly wealthy Egyptian Ali 109 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: Fami who would capture her heart or at least her 110 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: hand in marriage. She probably expected to divorce him quickly 111 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and get a sweet settlement, but Ali had other ideas, 112 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: and soon her only way out was murder. How would 113 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: she keep her neck out of the gallows? Let's find out, 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: Let's do it, hey, their French comlution. Well, Elia and 115 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to tell. Does no match making 116 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: a romantic tips, It's just about ridiculous relationship, a love. 117 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: There might be any type of person at all, and 118 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: abstract cons that don't concrete wall. But if there's a story, 119 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: were the second clinch Ridiculous, a production of I Heart Radio. 120 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: Marguerite was born to a cab driver and a housekeeper 121 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: in so humble, humble, begetting modestas At some point in 122 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: her childhood, tragedy struck when her four year old brother 123 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: was struck and killed by a delivery Laurie as he 124 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: was playing in the street, and Marguerite was blamed because 125 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: she was supposed to be watching him and so he 126 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: had run off, and they were like, you should have 127 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: been more careful, more awful. So then they sent her 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: to a convent for her education, and the nuns like, 129 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: we're reminding her daily that her brother had died because 130 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of her sins. They was pretty abusive. Yeah, I was 131 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: like one of those hits you at the rulers across 132 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: the knuckles totally. But Marguerite, it's got a pretty strong character. 133 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: So she kind of was rolling her eyes about it 134 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: as well. She was a little bit linking her. But 135 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: she was also where she was, and this is very 136 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: indicative of her character too. She wanted to get as 137 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: much out of any situation she was in as she could, 138 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: so she did that here. She applied herself to get 139 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: her a good, pretty good basic education and she also 140 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: learned to see you now. When she was in her teens, 141 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: the nuns decided to place her in the home of 142 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: a wealthy lawyer on reusual langua. So I guess it 143 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: was like, you know, you're you're old enough to get 144 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: the hell out of here for a while. You'll continue 145 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: your studies, but you're going to hang out with this family, 146 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: learn a little something about the real world, and start 147 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: to get out there some get some work done, get 148 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: a job, more than likely, get your hands dirty. It's 149 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: not all knuckle wraps and choir practice there in the 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: real world. In Andrew Rose's book The Woman Before Wallace, 151 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: he says that in the eighties, Langlois was the lawyer 152 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: for the infamous Humbert Case or Humbar Case, a giant 153 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: scandal that this rocked Paris. In that case, Terre's and 154 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: and her husband Frederick the Humbarts. They basically invented a 155 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: rich American benefactor and persuaded people to loan them money 156 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: at low interest rates and total fraud. Of course, which 157 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: thing they didn't pay that money back? Yeah, you know 158 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: I've got it around here, somewhere. I will I will 159 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: give you a call later. As soon as I found it, 160 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: I lived all my francs in my other redd and goods. 161 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: This fraud netted them a hundred million francs at the time, 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: which is close to four hundred million euro today. Rose 163 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: Rights quote. Although discovery and retribution were inevitable consequences of 164 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: so colossal at reception, a valuable lesson was almost certainly 165 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: not lost on Marguerite. The fraudsters had succeeded in duping 166 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: the public because they aimed high, brazenly keeping up their 167 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: act until the very end. The luxuriously appointed mansion that 168 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: was the Humbarers Paris home for twenty years was just 169 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: a few steps from the cramped and modest apartment shared 170 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: by Marguerite's family. So yeah, so she's basically steps away 171 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: from this fancy ass house that they got by lying. 172 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: So she's just looking at it every day, like I 173 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: could do that. I can lie scam your way into 174 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: a huge fortune. And the lang Lua family was very 175 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: rich and very cultured, and so Marguerite was closely studying 176 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: how the rich lived their life, how they talked, you know, 177 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: what they wore. She was kind of starting to get 178 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,479 Speaker 1: her mimic on a little bit about the airs of society, 179 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But her time there was 180 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: fairly short. She abruptly left the Langlois home in seven 181 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: when she was sixteen, because she was pregnant and unwed, 182 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: and the paternity of her daughter, Raymond, is unknown. Marguerite 183 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: invented a couple of stories over the years. In one, 184 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: the father was a twenty eight year old friend of 185 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: hers who really wanted to marry her, but she just 186 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: didn't have a big enough dowry, so she wrote, quote, 187 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the beautiful dream collapsed. Yeah. Really, he lives in Canada. 188 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: I swear he was going to marry me, but he 189 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: just what a jerk. I was not wealthy enough for him. 190 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: How rude. In another story, the father was the younger 191 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: son of a diplomat at in India and he perished 192 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: in the Great War. She also wrote one time that 193 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: her younger brother also died in the Great War, and 194 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: it was a family friend who was like, no, he 195 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: was four, died in the street for all that. So 196 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: she's kind of, I mean, a big liar. She doesn't 197 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: really tell you know, if you had to come up 198 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: with a story about someone's death. In the early twentieth century, 199 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the Great War is a great exp man. Sure, maybe 200 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: the Humbars were like, oh, I had all your money, 201 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: but it died in the Great War, so sorry. But 202 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: more than likely it was probably just another servant in 203 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: the household, or possibly a member of the leg La 204 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: family impregnated her. But no rich family wants some pregnant, 205 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: unwed teenager hanging out making him look like a house 206 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: of ill repute. So Marguerite was kicked out of the 207 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: house and she returned to her family home for a while, 208 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: but they were kind of too poor to provide for 209 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: her and her baby and two additional mouths, so her 210 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: daughter Raymond, was sent to the country to live on 211 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: a farm for a few years with some people who 212 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: could handle it while Marguerite plotted her next move. Marguerite 213 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: knew that she was meant for bigger and better things 214 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: than some you know, working class life, and she was 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: willing to do pretty much anything to get it. Thanks 216 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to her time with the lang Law family, she already 217 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: had a sheen of sophistication. Thanks to her time with 218 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the nuns, she had a bit of an education. So 219 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: for a year or so she lived in obscurity in Paris. 220 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: She glossed over this time. In her autobiography, researchers speculate 221 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: probably because she was making her money through street prostitution. 222 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: Maybe she was singing in bars and cabarets and just 223 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: going home with the richest guy she could find at 224 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,239 Speaker 1: the end of the night, and she's sort of like, yeah, 225 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: making ends me. Hey, there you go. So she's making 226 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: it work. But maybe later, by the time she's writing 227 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: her autobiography, she's feeling like, maybe that's beneath her. So 228 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: one day she came to the notice of Madame Dennard, 229 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: who ran a type of high class brothel called a 230 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Maison de Rendezvous house of meetups. Madame Dennar wasn't in 231 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: this business to make some buck off a quick tumble. 232 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: Her girls were the best in Paris. You know, come 233 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: on down the Madame Dennard's. We got the smart girls, 234 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,479 Speaker 1: we got the pretty girls. They're witty, they're charming, they're intelligent, 235 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: they got CD players, they got drop top roofs, beautiful 236 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: beyond compare. Look at these caves and no money down 237 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: well actually all the money down upfront that happened. Bad credit. 238 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: Get the hell out of here, no credit, get the 239 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: hell out of here. So Madame Dennard had a very 240 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: discerning eye. If she knew how to pick the best, 241 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: and she was only going to pick the best, she 242 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: knew Marguerite would attract men like flies to honey rose 243 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: rights quote. Although not a chocolate box beauty, whatever that means? 244 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: What is a chocolate box beauty? I kind of wish 245 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: I was one. You just wish you had a chocolate box. 246 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: I do wish I had a chocolate box. That would 247 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: be so beautiful. You are a beauty. But you don't 248 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: have a chocolate box. Now if you did, I would 249 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: eat all of it, so I'm glad you don't. So, 250 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: although not a chocolate box beauty, she was petite, with 251 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: a shapely figure, expressive greenish gray eyes, a pretty mole 252 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: on her left cheek, and a large sensuous mouth. Blah 253 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: blah blah. At this time, she wore her striking auburn 254 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: hair in long tresses falling to her knees. Okay hot 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: to Molly healthy description, Well, it's France, so she'd be 256 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: uh a hot. She sounds like a real hot galette. 257 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: That is one hot kiche. So not only all this 258 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: beauty and a lure, but the nuns had helped Marguerite 259 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: become a decent mezzo soprano. So she even had a 260 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: skill that could be displayed on stage, a commonplace for 261 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: courtisans to catch the eye of potential clients. Get up 262 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: there saying like a canary, give out a little tune, 263 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: and they're like, I'll take that one please. She caught 264 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: my eye. It's kind of like um Evelyn nesbit on 265 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: stage in the chorus line, catching attention, you know, and 266 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: find meeting patrons. You know. It's exactly the same thing. 267 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: So this girl was worth a little investment for Madame Dennard. 268 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Some fancy dresses, a few elocution and piano lessons later, 269 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: and they had exactly who they needed. Marguerite would be come, 270 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: according to Madame Denard, quote the mistress of nearly all 271 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: of my best clients, gentlemen of wealth and position in France, England, 272 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: America and other countries. It was me that made a 273 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: sort of lady of her. Thank you very much, mercy 274 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: about Oh you like Marguerite, Well, you know that's all me. Yes, 275 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: I love your French Madam. I think you should. You 276 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: should really to France and oh a character. Yeah, I 277 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: was thinking we're like a character. But because I will 278 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: go to France and open a brothel. I feel like 279 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: there's a good business model there. I think we could 280 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: totally pack up our lives and do that. We'll keep 281 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: doing the podcast, sure, sure, sure, so yeah. Almost immediately, 282 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Marguerite attracted her first wealthy patron, a married businessman named 283 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: Andre Millaire, and she started calling her self Maggie Melair 284 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: and Madame Melare even though they were not married, and 285 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: he because he's already married, um, and they would go 286 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: out together in high society, which was totally acceptable in Paris. 287 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: People started to notice her, started to meet her, and 288 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: her social circles got wider and wider. Marguerite was on 289 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: her way, So the sap and we are on our 290 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: way to a commercial break. How about that, and welcome 291 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: back to the show. Oh and here's something we thought 292 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: was cool. Andrew Rose also says that it's likely Maggie 293 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: closely followed the case of Marguerite Steinheil, who you may 294 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: remember from our episodes about her and the French President's 295 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: Foedix fash classic episode. We had to do it in 296 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: two parts because in one part the first part was 297 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: when he died. When she gave a blowjob and she 298 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: had to sneak out the hotel. The second part was 299 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: when she got accused of shooting her husband and mother 300 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: and was put on trial for murder. And that was 301 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: so this was when Maggie was out and about in 302 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: high society. It was certainly rocking society. As we talked about, 303 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: everybody was paying attention, everybody was looking close. Absolutely, and 304 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: yeah she was. She was on trial for killing her 305 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: husband and her mother, and her testimony was like, I mean, 306 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: listen to our episode all about it, because we get 307 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: real deep into it. But it was like all over 308 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: the place, and she definitely made some ship up and 309 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: was caught in a million lies, just whatever, just acting foolish. 310 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: But even so she was acquitted. She walked free for 311 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: those murders, and they can never really prove that it 312 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: was her. Andrew Rose said that that probably showed Marguerite 313 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: Albert as well as everybody else quote that a beautiful 314 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: woman could murder her husband, tell a preposterous story, walk 315 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: free from court, and collect an inheritance. So something she 316 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: might have just filed away in the back of her mind, 317 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: right just in case it comes up. It's always good 318 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: to have a nice full toolbox at your disposal, never know, 319 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: and that's going to come up. So mixing and mingling 320 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: with the elite of Berrie brought Marguerite even more attention, 321 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: and she was flirtatious it so Andre, who was you 322 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: know her her main guy was paying her bills. Basically 323 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: he traveled a lot. So while he was gone, she 324 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: continued her work as a high class court asan and 325 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: was very successful. She and Andre would be together for 326 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: around seven years, and this will be marked with lots 327 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: of fights because Andre was jealous and Maggie was you know, fiery, 328 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: and she even called herself quote a terrible she devil 329 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: because of her own temper. Madame Dinnar wrote once about 330 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: an occasion where Marguerite slapped the ship out of a 331 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: wealthy admirer in full view of an entire restaurant. So Maggie, 332 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: you know she's ready to throw down. Yeah she will. 333 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: You will catch her hands. Yes. Finally, in nineteen thirteen, 334 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: she and Andrea had a huge fight that really became 335 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: something of a scandal. She locked Andre out of their 336 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: expensive villa and released all of his horses from the 337 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: stables to wander the grounds freely. It was like gossip 338 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: columns were having a total field day with this. That's 339 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: French side piece saddles up by releasing her lover's horses. 340 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: All over his past years she was his main girl. 341 00:21:53,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: Now she is trotting away to Green the passenger. So 342 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: Andre and Maggie agreed that, you know what, it's probably 343 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: best if we part ways. Now everyone's laughing at us. 344 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: She was given a severance package essentially two hundred thousand 345 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: francs and in American dollars today, that would be like 346 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: getting five and a half million dollars. What why somebody 347 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: break up with me for five and a half million dollars? 348 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: You know. Marguerite was later actually furious at herself for 349 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: accepting such a quote poultry sum. She chalked it up 350 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: to her youth and inexperience. I should have known better 351 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: than to walk away with five and a half million dollars. Stupid, Marguerite, 352 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: So stupid? What are you a wit? So? Yeah? So 353 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: now Marguerite is on her own. She's got her own 354 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: little money now or whatever. So she installed herself in 355 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: a fancy apartment, you servants. She had a stable full 356 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: of horses, couple of limousines, I mean she is baling 357 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: and thanks to her time with Andre, she cut quite 358 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: a swath through fashionable Paris. She knew a lot of people, 359 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: tons of good connections, and she had her finances in order. 360 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: So she did bring her daughter to come live with her, 361 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: back from the farm. So Raymond is back wondering about 362 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: that girl. But of course everything changed because of a 363 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: little something called the Great War. We always war, like 364 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: a little spat between Germany and the rest of Europe's true, 365 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: and Marguerite was seized by an impulse to serve the 366 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: war effort. You know, she had some patriotic music in 367 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: her head or something planning. And fortunately she had just 368 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: bought herself like a fancy car, so she used it 369 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: to show for officers and other like high level officials 370 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: to hospitals and you know, offices and stuff getting you know, 371 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: she's like transport, very very important at pleased to bleed 372 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: on the seats and this is anoka. But Marguery, you know, 373 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: she's no altruist. So she got bored with being like 374 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: this goodwill patriotic bitch for real quick. She was tired 375 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: of that fast, and conveniently, her doctor diagnosed her with 376 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: a mysterious ailment that required a warm climate to recover from. 377 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: How how fortunate. So she took herself off to Cairo, 378 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: where she became friends with a wealthy businessman. She met 379 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: some high society British and Egyptian men and was just 380 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of living it up in Egypt. Sounds right, I 381 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: would do it. But by n she was back in 382 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Paris and she and Madame Dinner parted ways pretty acrimoniously. 383 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Madam Dinner does not write very fondly of her because 384 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: of however they parted, whatever was said. But Maggie started 385 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: working for a new madame who ran the most expensive 386 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: Maison de rendezvous in the entire city of Perry La 387 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: La Her Andrew Rose describes how it worked back then. 388 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: The mason was a beautifully appointed, fancy apartment. Clients would 389 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: be greeted by a respectable maid who would serve them 390 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: refreshments in a lushly decorated lounge. Photo books were set 391 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: out so you could peruse the ladies at leisure and 392 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: make your selection. So you're literally swiping right or left 393 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: on a bunch of pornographic beauty photos. The biggest, most 394 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: prominent photos were the top tier, most expensive ladies of 395 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: the bunch. And this is where you'd find Marguerite's photos. 396 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: You're getting like a full page spread in the photo 397 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: album or like little wallet sizes in the back. They 398 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: were the cheaper girls, right, and they would be like, 399 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: one day my picture will be I didn't have by 400 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: a liver, you better learn to sing. Marguerite was a 401 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: high dollar not only because of her beauty and her 402 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: social graces, but also because she was one of several 403 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: women who were quote equally happy to play the dominatrix 404 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: wielding a horsewhip, to take part in lesbian activity staged 405 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: to the customers requirements, or even to indulge in a 406 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: client's taste for sodomy. So she had a lot of 407 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: items on the menu. Basically, it's made her quite valuable. 408 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: Once you made your selection, you and the madame would 409 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: chat and decide on a price, and the madame would 410 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: telephone the woman of your choice. So and if she's 411 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: not here in thirty minutes, your sex is free, probably 412 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: like your sex is double transportation. Most of these assignations 413 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: happened between five and seven pm. Would you call that 414 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: a happy ending hours? In fact, Marguerite and women like 415 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: her were sometimes referred to as Bodema san or a 416 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: five o'clock lady. Oh, I kind of like that. Now 417 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: it is a good time to be a high class 418 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: prostitute because it's wartime, and that means officers, hey, hey, hey, 419 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, and they've you know, been on the front. 420 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, they're on leave, They're they're ready for a 421 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: warm embrace. You know they're going to get they're willing 422 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: to pay for it. So yeah, business was booming and 423 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: Marguerite was out and about with more and more the 424 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: upper echelon, and then in nineteen seventeen she landed her 425 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: biggest fish, Edward, the Prince of Whales. Wow, that is 426 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: a big fish, big old fish. And that brings us 427 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: to this episode side piece. I will tell anyone, I promise, 428 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: so you may know of Edward pretty much from his 429 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: most infamous action, which was abdicating the throne in order 430 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: to marry the American divorcee Wallace Simpson. Really up ended 431 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: the whole royal family. I think we talked about it 432 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: a little bit and we touched base with them during 433 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill and Clementine. Yeah, but that would not be 434 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: the first time that Edward caused trouble for the royal family. 435 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: He was a little bit of a naughty boy. Um 436 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: by the time he was hanging out with Marguerite. You know, 437 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: he's still early in his career. He's still young. Um, 438 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: he's like in his twenties, and he had witnessed trench 439 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 1: warfare firsthand. He definitely was like, put me in coach, 440 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, and they were like, no, hear them, freaking 441 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: heir to the throne, and like, what if they caught you? 442 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: You know, that would be so crazy, you can't be 443 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: out there. But he was, you know, he was pretty brave. 444 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: He wanted to be out there and fight the fight. Um. 445 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: He was one of the most photographed people in the 446 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: world at this time because he was super you know, 447 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: freaking famous, and his rank and good looks gained him 448 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, but his womanizing and his numerous 449 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: affairs with married women over the years caused a lot 450 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: of embarrassment for the crown. Oh yeah, well that sounds 451 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: like the worst thing about him. Well. He also thought 452 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: white people were superior and often expressed incredibly racist views, 453 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: and later in his life he did tour Nazi Germany 454 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: and expressed pro Nazi sympathies and was kind of like, 455 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: maybe they got the right idea over there and Nazi Germany. Yes, 456 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: boo children, boo. So you know that hadn't happened yet, 457 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: but he's that's the person that we're talking about. Yes, 458 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: so racist stuff notwithstanding, because that is, you know, arguably 459 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: the worst thing about him of many things. But the 460 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: real album that the Crown was having with Edward was 461 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: that he was very indiscreet. He drew a little too 462 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: much attention to embarrassing things that he did, and he 463 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: wrote them down was a big problem. Like dear Diary today, 464 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: I truly embarrassed the family with the following incriminating evidence. 465 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: Here are several witnesses to my actions. You may ask 466 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: them and they will verify any of these details. Yes, 467 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: I gave them signed copies of this diary as well. 468 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: One of the things that he got himself in trouble 469 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: for and writing a lot of stuff down about, was 470 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: his time with Marguerite Dalibert. They were together for about 471 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: eighteen months, and a Royal brit can do a lot 472 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: of damage in eighteen months, and this was until the 473 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: late summer of nineteen eighteen. Edward wrote her about twenty letters. 474 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: According to Royalty Magazine Quote, the letters not only revealed 475 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: his feelings form but also included information about the progress 476 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: of the war effort and made derogatory comments about his father. 477 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: A lot of bad ship in these letters right there. 478 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: Like listen again, if an enemy were to read this, 479 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: you're just handing them all kinds of AMMO right now. 480 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: Plus you're talking about all this weird sex stuff you're 481 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: doing with this, like Parisian corpsan. But fortunately, I guess. 482 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighteen, Edwards started to shift his attention to 483 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: a married woman named Frieda Dudley Ward, and so that 484 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: was kind of ending his fling with Marguerite. She was 485 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: on her way out and she she could smell it. Um. 486 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: But she knew how valuable those letters were, and of 487 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: course she wanted to benefit financially from this connection that 488 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: she'd made with the future king, so she tried to 489 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: blackmail Edward with these letters. Um. There's no evidence that 490 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: still exists of what he asked for specifically or anything 491 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: like that. Um. But in a letter, Edward wrote, quote, 492 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm afraid she's the one hundred thousand pounds or nothing type, 493 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: though I must say I'm disappointed and didn't think she'd 494 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: turned nasty. Of course, the whole trouble is my letters, 495 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: and she's not burnt one where I specifically asked you 496 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: to burn these letters. I told you these letters could 497 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: be used as blackmail against me, please burn them. Quite 498 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: disappointed that you didn't do what I said. I can't 499 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: believe you hung onto them. Outrageous. And then I also 500 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: love that he's writing in a letter more incriminating evidence 501 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: about how he wrote letters with incriminating evidence, and they 502 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: were probably reading it like, god, damn it, Edward, Oh 503 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: my god. But Marguerite was also starting a new fling 504 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: around this time with the wealthy Charles Laurent, and he 505 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: was ready to marry her. Hello, a new thing for Marguerite. Yeah, 506 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: that kind of security and stability doesn't come too many courtesans, 507 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: like high class or otherwise. So she backed off Edward. 508 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: She thought her blackmail might actually backfire into like a 509 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: scandal and ruin her chances with Charles, So she's like, 510 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: all right, maybe I'll just kind of leave this one 511 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: b for now in hand. Yes, is worth a prince 512 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: in my bush. So she and Charles did marry, but 513 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: they were not well suited for each other. He was 514 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: a very serious guy who didn't like the high society, 515 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: fashionable party life that Marguerite not only loved but had made, 516 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much her lifetime ambition. So their marriage 517 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: dissolved in nineteen twenty, and like she do, she relieved 518 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: him of a sizeable chunk of change on her way out. 519 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: And I will take that with me. Thank you for 520 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: them marriage, Good day, sir. So at this point she 521 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: is totally independent. She could take care of herself for 522 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: a while, but she's still in her prime. She's only 523 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: thirty years old. So she kept those peepers peeled for 524 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: another fabulously wealthy man that she could attach herself to 525 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: and see what she could get out of him. And 526 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: enter Ali camel Thawmy Bay. People in Paris called him 527 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: a prince, but he actually was not a prince. Bay 528 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: is a title denoting an aristocrat or like maybe a governor. 529 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: So they sort of took that and ran with it 530 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: and just called the prince because they didn't know what 531 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: they were talking about. Um, and I'm sure he did 532 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: not disillusion them very vigorously or anything like that. It's like, yeah, prince, 533 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: that sounds good. Yeah, yeah, the French accidentally called me 534 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: a prince. I'm not going to correct them, Okay. When 535 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: someone asked if you're a god, you say yes. He 536 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: was actually the son of like an aristocratic and jineer. 537 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: His father had a master this huge fortune over the years, 538 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: but he was super clutch fisted about it. He was 539 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: like a miser and he refused to indulge in like 540 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: comforts and luxuries. He was like, I want to take 541 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: it with me somehow. But when Ali was eighteen, he 542 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: got his hands on his inheritance and basically it went 543 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: book wild. Within four years, he had spent over a 544 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: million Egyptian pounds. Rabbi Magazine writes that he quote was 545 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: known to pay tips between five and twenty pounds when 546 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: he frequented bars. This was in the nineteen twenties, so 547 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: that'd be like thrown around sixty dollar tips today, pretty good. 548 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: So that might speak to like a generous spirit, but 549 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: I think he just wasn't very good with money. Because 550 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: he also paid thirteen thousand Egyptian pounds for a piece 551 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: of land in the Posh Zamilek district. So it's like 552 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: a wealthy area and everything, but the land was only 553 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: worth four thousand pounds. His personal secretary pocketed the difference, 554 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: and he just never knew. Like he's like whatever, he's 555 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: not keeping a close eye. Yeah yeah, he don't look 556 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: at the books. Yeah. Um. And then he had a 557 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: villa built on that property that he spent a hundred 558 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: thousand Egyptian pounds on, but it could have been done 559 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: for a fifth of that price. So he's just like 560 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: he just doesn't know, doesn't know what's what's a gallon 561 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: of milk cost? Does not have that answer. No. Rabbie 562 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: Magazine goes on to say, quote. One story goes that 563 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: when he asked for the young high born Mania saw 564 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: Hank's hand in marriage. He walked into her family's house, 565 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: followed by twenty uniformed men, each carrying a sterling silver 566 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: box laden with jewelry. That engagement did not last very long, however, 567 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: as Ali was soon caught engaging in a lewd act 568 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: with one of the actresses from the Rahani Theater troupe 569 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: in his car. The nuptials were, of course promptly canceled. 570 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: In case you were curious, Mania returned all the jewelry. 571 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: Look to be fair, the actresses at the Rohani theater. 572 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: True now hard to ignore, if I may say so myself. 573 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're just you know, I don't know. Maneia 574 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: returned the jewelry. Uh, Marguerite would have kept all that 575 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: would have gotten more. Ali is also described as being 576 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: quote nervous and rather weak, but still really used to 577 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: getting his own way and everything. If he wanted something, 578 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: he expected to get it, as is the mentality of 579 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: many extremely wealthy people. And he intended to keep it 580 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: for as long as he liked, and he did not 581 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: care what that cost. And now he wanted Marguerite Alibert. 582 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: He was formally introduced to her in ninety two, but 583 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: he had actually seen her a few times before, both 584 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: in Cairo and in Harris. He was entranced by this 585 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: beautiful frenchwoman eight years his senior. For her part, Marguerite 586 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: liked his big, old fancy house, and his cars and 587 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: his motor boats, and you know the fortunes that he 588 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: was able to squander at gambling. Oh, you have so 589 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: much money. I love that you're so careless with it 590 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: that you'll lose thousands of dollars. Well, apparently his annual 591 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: income was around two million pounds a year. Maybe she 592 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: really was like, literally, he can afford to lose so 593 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: much money and it doesn't even matter. So the two 594 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: of them embarked on a passionate love affair slash spending 595 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: spree all over France until Ali returned to Egypt. But 596 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: not long after, he told her he couldn't live without 597 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: her and he asked her to marry him. His family 598 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: was not into this match at all. They're like, uh, 599 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're gonna marry this French whore. We are 600 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: aristocratic Egyptians. That's not how we do things. But as 601 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: we know, Ali doesn't like to hear no very much. 602 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess unless the question is have I 603 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: spent all my money yet? Then no? Great, I'd love 604 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: to hear no, and I would like to spend more. 605 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: Let's go do it. So obviously this gave her a 606 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: lot to think about. Ali was Muslim, and Marguerite would 607 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: have to convert to Islam if she wanted to marry him. 608 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: He also wanted her to dress modestly and cover her 609 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 1: face like the other women in Egypt, but Marguerite thought 610 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: that she was going to be up to all these tricks. 611 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: She could maneuver and handle this thing in the in 612 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: the traditional Marguerite Dali bear way, she figured if things 613 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: didn't work out, they would just simply divorce and she 614 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: could walk away with a huge chunk of cash. So 615 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: she insisted on a prenuptial agreement that she would be 616 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: allowed to wear Western clothing and also that she would 617 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: be permitted to ask for a divorce, which was, of 618 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: course not something that was allowed. Right. The wife doesn't 619 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: get to ask her divorce from the husband. That's crazy. 620 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: Then they'd all be doing it. However, according to history 621 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: collection dot com, Ali ripped up their pre nuptial agreement 622 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: only a couple of days before their wedding, and by 623 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: that time she'd already converted to Islam and moved to Egypt. 624 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: So now she had no proof that they had agreed 625 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: to these terms of hers ship. Right, y'all need to 626 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: get copies. Okay, she should have learned from Edward. So yeah, 627 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: so she was forced to dress and act like Ali 628 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: had said. He expected women to do exactly what he 629 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: told them to do without any argument. But I mean, 630 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: if you've been listening, you know that ain't margarite. Uh, 631 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: And instead of realizing that, maybe he pinned down a 632 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: wasp rather than a butterfly. Ali, true to his nature, 633 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: doubled down and he's like, I'll tame this shrue. You 634 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: know this is unmovable object, unstoppable force. Exactly, very true. 635 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: That's very true. Um. He actually wrote in a letter 636 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: to Marguerite's sister, quote, just now I am engaged in 637 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: training her. Yesterday, to begin with, I did not come 638 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: into lunch or to dinner, and I also left her 639 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: at the theater with women. One must act with energy 640 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: and be severe, no bad habit. I love that his 641 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: punishment is, well, I'm not coming to lunch or dinner. 642 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: I wonder if Marguerite was like, oh cool, that worked 643 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: really well to get rid of him. I should do 644 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: that some more. Royalty Magazine says the letter was probably 645 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: intended to be humorous on like some level, so keep 646 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: that in mind. All right, He's not like cool joke, 647 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: but not a very locker room talk or whatever. But 648 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: it quote reveals some of the tensions in Ali's mind. 649 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: He clearly fell to need to control his willful wife, 650 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: so it kind of shows they were definitely clashing on 651 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: a lot of things at this point. Um. He also 652 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: announced that he would be taking on multiple wives, as 653 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: is allowed in Islam. But Marguerite didn't really know shit 654 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: about Islamic culture or customs or Egypt or like, she 655 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: was not really prepared for this marriage at all, um, 656 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: and she didn't like that idea. To top it all off, 657 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: his favorite way to make love to her was quote 658 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: par Ladrie, which was certainly in her repertoire of services, 659 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: as we remember from the pornographic books, but they were 660 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily her preference at the time, just a 661 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: charge extra for that ship. She's like like on the 662 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: menu as an add on. Not all the girls do that. 663 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: You gotta pay for it, exactly, and right now I 664 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: gotta freaking be respectful and obey you in dead like 665 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: no thanks. So with all these vast chasms separating them, 666 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of no wonder that they were very soon 667 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: at each other's throats. These two fought constantly, often in public, 668 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: so everyone was aware that they weren't happy together all. 669 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: He must have especially hated that if he's like, you're 670 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: not even supposed to talk back to me. Here we 671 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: are like having a public argument. That must have really 672 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: shaken his principles. You know. Marguerite would actually make notes 673 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: daily in her diary of the things she hated about him. 674 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: Dear today, it's that stupid smug smile. Today it is 675 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: this special noise that he makes when he choose his meat. 676 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: Dear Daddy, Today, it's that he doesn't treat me as 677 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: an equal human being. Hates that. Today it's pola da 678 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: one second. One day, Marguerite convinced Ali to take a 679 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: little trip to London to see an opera called The 680 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: Merry Widow Warning Red Flag, Red Flag, Red Flag. They 681 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: took in the play. They had a late supper in 682 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: their hotel room before starting some vigorous arguing as they 683 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: love to do. They were yelling, you know, probably throwing 684 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: things like one of those fights. Yeah, one of those knockdown, 685 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: drag out. Let me imagine. The whole hotel was just 686 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: burying their heads, you know, under their pillows, trying to 687 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: get some damn sleep. But it was not to be 688 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: for those poor would be sleepers. At two thirty in 689 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: the morning, multiple gut shots heard and Marguerite was discovered 690 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 1: in the hallway holding a smoking gun in her hand, 691 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: standing over her husband's body. He had been shot in 692 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: the back three times, and Marguerite said, I lost my head, 693 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: I've shot him. I feel like she shot him in 694 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: the back. She must have said, no, you take it. 695 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, she's found in the hallway standing over his body, 696 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: She's got the gun in her hand, and she fully 697 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: confesses to killing him. And it also it could be 698 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: argued that it was obviously premeditated and that she had 699 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 1: enticed him to come to London because she knew that 700 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: in Egypt she would be put to death on the 701 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: spot for killing a nobleman, but in England she might 702 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: be able to pull some of her high society strings. Um. 703 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: That is history collections, speculation station. Um. But still it 704 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: would probably have been brought up by a lawyer at 705 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: some point. You know, all that evidence stacked against her. 706 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: Marguerite is going to jail, right, I mean she's literally 707 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: down standing over her dead husband's body with a smoking 708 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: gun in her hand, Like did we fans a smoking gun? 709 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,439 Speaker 1: Quite literally? But no, not so much, not so much. 710 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: So let's find out what happened after these messages. Welcome 711 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: back to the show. Everyone. Marguerite was caught red handed, 712 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: as we said, smoking gun in her hand, but she 713 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: wasn't going to face many consequences. Partly this is because 714 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: of good old fashioned Western racism coming to save a 715 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: white woman. Yet again, racism saving white people from from 716 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: crimes they committed. Since zero zero zero's here zero. Her case, 717 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: of course went to trial, and it was sensational, with 718 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: people waiting in line at all hours to get a 719 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: seat in the courtroom. He was already dead. Ali was 720 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 1: basically put on trial to because Marguerite's defense was that 721 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: he was this savage beast of a husband with perverted 722 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: sexual proclivities. She was trapped in an unloving marriage with 723 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,839 Speaker 1: a quote, these are her words, oriental brute. Yes, that's 724 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 1: not a word we use anymore, but it is definitely 725 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: a huge part of this particular part of the story, 726 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: so to keep it in tact for historical reason, particular 727 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: brand of racism. Yes, her theatrical performance in court sold 728 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: papers for days. She told them about the veils and 729 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: the modest clothes she was forced to wear. She recounted 730 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: times when she and Ali fought. Witnesses recalled how they'd 731 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: seen him hit her in public, sometimes much to the 732 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: disapproval of his family and friends. She even told them 733 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: he demanded lewd sex of acts. Quote of a sadistic 734 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: nature and that she was forced to comply under threat. 735 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, no wonder people line it up to see 736 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: this case. She's she's really to tell you everything. And 737 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: it's not to say that these things didn't happen. And 738 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: then he wasn't a big ship in a terrible husband. 739 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: But her sort of reframing it in this like savageness 740 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: is like she's literally playing into people's racist presumptions, yeah, 741 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: prejudices exactly. And what made it way worse than just 742 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: her playing on you know, anyone present and they're at 743 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: their own unconscious or conscious bias, very consciousness. Um was 744 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: that reporters, naturally we're taking what she said about Ali 745 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: and generalized it to be about every man from Egypt 746 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: or the Middle East or any other place over there 747 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: that's not here. Basically, um As raw Wi magazine says, 748 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: quote the newspapers and their frenzy to report complacently stereotyped 749 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: all Oriental men as barbarians, sweepingly accused of sharing the 750 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: victims sadism and brutality, and it got so bad that 751 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: Egyptian writers and intellectuals, both male and female, protested so 752 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: much that several major British publications were forced to apologize 753 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: for all the things that they had said, like that, 754 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: that's how galling it was getting around this time, and 755 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: Marguerite's passed as a sex worker was never even disclosed 756 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: to the jury. They thought of her as a high 757 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: born lady who had been horribly deceived by her husband. 758 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: They declared that she had shot him in self defense 759 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: after being driven to the brink of her sanity by 760 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: his violence, and Marguerite walked out of that courtroom a 761 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: free woman. I mean, not that her sex work, you know, 762 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: made her more likely to be guilty, but that it 763 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 1: was a huge part of the story leading up to this, 764 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: So they're not disclosed that really did like well, and 765 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: it made him look even worse that he was, like, 766 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, doing all these lewd sex acts on what 767 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: who they probably were picturing to be this, like not 768 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: a virgin because she's been married before, but just this 769 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: high born, aristocratic lady who doesn't do that stuff, you know, 770 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: instead of a woman who had been selling it out 771 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: of a book for several years at this point. So 772 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: it's been it is definitely I think it helped her case, 773 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: but it might not only be due to all these 774 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: horrible stereotypes and racist prejudice. Marguerite may also have remembered 775 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,280 Speaker 1: those handy dandied letters to mund Baby from the future 776 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: King of England, Edward, the Prince of Wales. Oh shoot 777 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,800 Speaker 1: so yea. At this point in Edwards many sexual activities 778 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: and had to be hushed up because he was like 779 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: the poster boy for the British monarchy, and honestly they 780 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: needed one, because of course, the Bolshevik Revolution happened in 781 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: Russia and that made everybody in aristocratic circles incredibly nervous 782 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,240 Speaker 1: as any revolution, and so they were kind of all 783 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: in any country, they were all kind of going, how's 784 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: my working class doing, y'all? Do an? Okay, down here, 785 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: let me bring in some bagels on Friday's casual Friday. 786 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, we love the working people. Yes, where would 787 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: we be without you? Y'all? Keep working now, no attention 788 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: to that man behind the iron curtain. Well there you go. Uh. 789 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 1: And then you know Edward had some boyish good looks, right, so, 790 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: and he had done like a tour of some less 791 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: wealthy nations in the Commonwealth, so he was playing really 792 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: prince of the people at this time. He had some 793 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: real sympathies and so they really needed to protect this 794 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: image that they had going of Edward and Marguerite knew it. 795 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: These letters could not have come at a worse time. Express, 796 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: which is a magazine in the UK, says that only 797 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,479 Speaker 1: hours after Ali Fammy's death, advisors at your House, which 798 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,879 Speaker 1: is the Prince of Wales official residence quote, went into meltdown. 799 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: The Prince was scheduled to go on a summer tour, 800 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: including several official visits to Wales, but by the next 801 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: day all of that had been canceled. A ticket on 802 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: the next ocean liner out of Liverpool was booked and 803 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: his valet was packing for a three month stay in 804 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: Canada like they were like, no the world. Marguerite meanwhile 805 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: was entertaining several like high level visitors in her cell 806 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: at Holloway Prison, so she she would just be like, 807 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: come and see me, like all her rich clients would 808 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,279 Speaker 1: come by and probably bring her a little treat, and 809 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 1: they're trying to play it off. Was like, oh, I 810 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: love going to visit Courtisan's in prison. This is there's 811 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: nothing special here, standard visit. So yeah, she's got a 812 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 1: bunch of high level visitors and fancy guests and stuff 813 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: including quote and army major with close but not two 814 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: obvious links to the royal household. Now, Andrew Rose lays 815 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: out this case that Marguerite used her letters to blackmail 816 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: the crown with scandal. If they didn't get her acquitted 817 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 1: in exchange for the incriminating letters, they took care of 818 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. It's a compelling case and it 819 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: has pretty thoroughly convinced quite a lot of people. But 820 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: we've got to say that it's not confirmed fact yet. 821 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: Although if we're waiting for the British government to admit it, 822 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: I think, don't hold your breath. Yeah they I mean, 823 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,439 Speaker 1: they're probably never going through. You know, it would take 824 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,919 Speaker 1: Harry and Megan coming out spilling the beans. We're ready 825 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: to tell you all the secrets. But whether it was 826 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,479 Speaker 1: the royal machine or the racism machine, or a little 827 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 1: of both, let's say probably either way, Maggie got her wish. 828 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: Now she had to turn her attention to the little 829 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: matter of her inheritance. So, yeah, the money. So she 830 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,800 Speaker 1: was always expected to get something out of her marriage 831 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: to Ali. Besides, you know, a murder charge. She's like, 832 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be charging you, right, So she sued 833 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: Ali's family to get her hands on his property, but 834 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: the Egyptian courts were not even pretending to have it. 835 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,399 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Girl? Especially after all that ship 836 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 1: they were reading in y'all's newspapers about their son and 837 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 1: yeah no, ma'am. Yeah, they're like, you're a murderer. You 838 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: killed him. We don't care what your racist courts say 839 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: about how he put it in your butt or whatever. 840 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: You get nothing, Wonka, you get nothing. Good day that 841 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: she overplayed her hand a little at this point. To 842 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: be fair, Rabbi Magazine says that she invented a little 843 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,879 Speaker 1: story that she had gotten pregnant and had legitimate air 844 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: to Fami's fortune, and quote soon became the laughing stock 845 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: of Parisian society, presumably because she wasn't able to produce 846 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: a child to prove this story. I mean, that's kind 847 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: of a big lie to like, I, yeah, I had 848 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,840 Speaker 1: a baby, and everyone immediately goes where's the baby? And 849 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: you're like, whoops, I didn't think of that. Like, it's 850 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,839 Speaker 1: not a it's not a long come because you don't 851 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: have long to convince everyone before they realize you're full 852 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: of ship and not full of baby, or you know, 853 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,799 Speaker 1: maybe because she kept telling everyone that he always liked 854 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: to put it in her butt, so they're like, wet, 855 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: so let me know some more information about how you 856 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: get pregnant up the butt. So yeah, she she kind 857 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,880 Speaker 1: of faded from public view after all this rigamarole, and 858 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: she continued to call herself Princess Marguerite, even though, like 859 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: we say, FAMMI was never a prince, you know, but 860 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,439 Speaker 1: no one in Europe knew the difference. So she was like, cool, 861 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm a princess. When people call you a god, you 862 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: say yes, you keep that um. And she lived an 863 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: apartment facing the Ritz in Paris for the rest of 864 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: her life, spending her time with her daughter and her 865 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: grandchildren until she died in one Now at this point 866 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: you might remember that she had to hand over all 867 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 1: these letters from Prince Edward, you know, earlier when they 868 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 1: got her off from that murder charge. Um. But Marguerite, 869 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, she too smart for that. She had kept 870 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: a few as insurance, and so she had a few 871 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: still in her possession, and a family friend finally quietly 872 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: destroyed them, and all of that incriminating evidence against Edward 873 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: was finally gone. Yeah, right, they're out there somewhere. It 874 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: sounds like something Carmen san Diego would steal. Incriminating letters 875 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 1: between Marguerite Deli Beart and Prince Edward of Wales. History 876 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: Collection says quote after her death, her grandson was going 877 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: through her paperwork and saw that Marguerite had managed to 878 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: quietly get married and divorced another are five times without 879 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: her family knowing about it. Well, when you're good at something, 880 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:13,799 Speaker 1: you know, you stick with it. Oh man. Yeah, and 881 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: Edward's secrets were kept safe for nearly a century until 882 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: Andrew Rose's book came out and he pieced all this together. 883 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Rose, friend of the British royal family. Doubtful, right, 884 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I like him? Oh man? Wow. Crazy. 885 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: So that's the story of Marguerite Alibert and her side piece, Edward, 886 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: the Prince of Wales and her definitely she murdered him. 887 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: Husband Ali from this one's not even like up in 888 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: the air, like at least Marguerite Steinheil were like, we 889 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 1: don't really kind of think maybe she didn't kill them, 890 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, there was a whole necklace thing to think about, 891 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: but no, this was cutting dry, cut and dried, smoking gun. Yeah, 892 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: she murder solved, free to go so crazy? Oh man, well, 893 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: I I mean, yeah, it's this is another another Kookie 894 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: one out of kin I loved. I kind of was 895 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 1: enjoying it because nobody, UM really to feel sorry for. 896 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I kind of feel sorry for 897 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: Marguerite a little bit because she was she was kind 898 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: of entrapped in this marriage. That must have been scary 899 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: to suddenly be in another culture totally that you don't understand. 900 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: You're like, oh ship, I really got in over my 901 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: head on this one. Um. And he was kind of 902 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, abusive. UM. But she also like just put 903 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,840 Speaker 1: herself in so many of those type of situations when 904 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, all right, you're fine. Well, as 905 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: we learned many times on this show, you know, people 906 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: have many different qualities and some of them are detestable 907 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,800 Speaker 1: and some of them are worth sympathy. UM, and you 908 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: know you you weigh them all against each other and 909 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: if your soul is heavier than a feather or something, 910 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm not up on my Egyptian. Well, I'm so excited 911 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: bring you all this story. As always, another Cookie one 912 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: full of murder and betrayal and bad toxic marriages right, 913 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, let us know what you think. 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