Speaker 1: People. How can you get to know anyone via text?
Speaker 1: Especially for guys, that leaves you open for catfish. We
Speaker 1: saw the show, We saw a pan out exactly that
Speaker 1: gets also leave the door for tender swindler. We still
Speaker 1: have that play Oh my God, that was insane or
Speaker 1: vegans and I ain't got time call me now. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome to Beauty Translated. I'm your host, Karmen Laurentt.
Speaker 1: This is the show all about celebrating the inner and
Speaker 1: outer beauty within the trans community. My guest this week
Speaker 1: is another Atlanta local. She is founder and mother of
Speaker 1: the House of Channel of the Ballroom Scene, and she
Speaker 1: is the first black trans woman to win Instetician of
Speaker 1: the Year in two. She is Shamari Renee Cherry or
Speaker 1: Sha Channel. Shamari Renee joins me in this episode to
Speaker 1: talk to me about her decision to move to Atlanta
Speaker 1: in the nineties, growing up in her aunt's hair salon,
Speaker 1: and how she was able to start her own successful
Speaker 1: beauty business, Diamond Face is By. I became connected with
Speaker 1: Shamari through some of my former esthetic students. They had
Speaker 1: shown me her social media and I became a fan instantly.
Speaker 1: Has been one of my favorite guests to connect with
Speaker 1: right away. We bonded over the fact that we were
Speaker 1: both trans women in the aesthetics industry and our shared
Speaker 1: attitude of not taking ourselves too seriously. A disclaimer about
Speaker 1: today's episode, myself and Shamari Renee will be using the
Speaker 1: T word throughout the episode when talking about ourselves. Remember
Speaker 1: if you're not a T, don't say the word or
Speaker 1: call anyone the word. We had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: having this conversation, and I hope you all enjoy listening.
Speaker 1: I would love to come here like once a month, okay, absolutely,
Speaker 1: we could talk about all the news going on the
Speaker 1: training of view of here. We need this, we need it,
Speaker 1: we are inclusive, we are here right exactly. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Shamari Renee, wonderful Atlanta based astetician, and
Speaker 1: I just want you to start out by telling our
Speaker 1: listeners about who you are, first of all, and how
Speaker 1: you identify. I am Shamari Renee, also known Channel the
Speaker 1: Mother has Found your Mother? Has you know my preferred
Speaker 1: pronounce she her in mind? Okay? Absolutely? I am Atlanti's
Speaker 1: first trans woman of color to on an operative skincare
Speaker 1: bar in this date of Georgia starting in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve. Also the first trans woman of color to
Speaker 1: Estetition of the Year the BBB Awards with Baby Yes,
Speaker 1: which is what I saw when I found you on
Speaker 1: social I saw you on Instagram get out of here,
Speaker 1: and I saw, Wow, she is out here killing it.
Speaker 1: She's a black trans woman from Atlanta an Aestetician of
Speaker 1: the Year. Still mine is still mind blowing because like
Speaker 1: the clip, to be honest, it was almost like I
Speaker 1: was at the Grammys or Oscar. It's something because pure
Speaker 1: I actually have the pot that is Look, I'm looking
Speaker 1: so samee mind you my I just got to stay.
Speaker 1: I'm crying crazy. This is such a fake picture because
Speaker 1: I'm standing here boo when the guy was like, let
Speaker 1: me just fix your makeup, shaking because you're phone to
Speaker 1: pieces you can't here. And I was just because I
Speaker 1: was at the time. I was supposed to thank my manager.
Speaker 1: He had just passed away in June last year. He's
Speaker 1: my business manager and my executive assistant. So you know,
Speaker 1: not to damper to come moment, but I was. When
Speaker 1: I look at the picture, I'm looking at myself. I
Speaker 1: was freaking up because I forgot to thank him because
Speaker 1: it was like I couldn't have been in that position
Speaker 1: without him. It makes a year this year on June fourth,
Speaker 1: Mix a year and he was only twenty six years old.
Speaker 1: I gave him such a hard I laugh. It's funny
Speaker 1: because I laughed now because I gave him such a
Speaker 1: hard time to work for me, because it's twenty two.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what can you possibly do for me? Twenty two?
Speaker 1: I am older than you, et cetera. But he brought
Speaker 1: such a great light to my business. He was innovative
Speaker 1: and he wasn't afraid to take a risk. Do you
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about like how he
Speaker 1: helped build your business and maybe a little bit about
Speaker 1: your business too? Down faces care I found it in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Well, let me start with this. I
Speaker 1: wanted to work for Mac. Yeah, I used to Okay,
Speaker 1: the music looking good, they have all of that, right.
Speaker 1: I wanted to work for Mac and did not know
Speaker 1: that it's hard to work for them. They hire from
Speaker 1: with them, so we just get it. But it also's
Speaker 1: discouraging for individuals like I still wanted to work for
Speaker 1: them because at the time, we must remember, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a place for us Yeah, there wasn't any visibility and
Speaker 1: absolutely saw RuPaul. So that's one for me. That's the way,
Speaker 1: except we're gonna accept me apply with them Carmen for
Speaker 1: about teams straight. Yeah, that one interview. But let me
Speaker 1: tell you, Okay, a lot of times as trans people
Speaker 1: say they'd be overcompensated, and I can say why. I
Speaker 1: think back then, we overcompensated because we felt we need
Speaker 1: to prove a self worthy because they're already shooting us down.
Speaker 1: So we had to go in with our armor, like listening.
Speaker 1: I know my ship. So I do the total research
Speaker 1: on MAC that night. I'm like, I'm gonna go inhead
Speaker 1: with a sled. I'm gonna have to know I'm not
Speaker 1: a dumb training you know. So Kermit get to the interview.
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't know that MAC was a
Speaker 1: theater makeup. I didn't know that didn't it was too
Speaker 1: funny about two gay guys can and Canada. I had
Speaker 1: no idea none of that until then. So I go
Speaker 1: to the interview looking good. I'm painted like a Chinese
Speaker 1: Sun said, okay, gorgeous. So I mean they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: ask me anything about the company. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: this job, honey. That lady said, Moms, Cherry, your references
Speaker 1: checked out. Well, your makeup looks good, your portfolio looks great,
Speaker 1: your makeup look good. You look absolutely amazing. But are
Speaker 1: you an aesthetition? I was like, no, what's that? I
Speaker 1: had no idea what an asthetition wasn't so I think
Speaker 1: that she could tell my face. I was like, why
Speaker 1: the hell would you ask me that? So I was thinking.
Speaker 1: She was like, well, unfortunately, we can't offer you employment
Speaker 1: because at this time we're going to just towards skincare.
Speaker 1: So this is doing that time of transitioning for that right.
Speaker 1: So it's like I was yeah, I'm like I want
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna makeup artist. I don't know what aesthetition is.
Speaker 1: So the girl that interviewed me still happened. Her name
Speaker 1: was January. She was an alumni for I Assistant International School.
Speaker 1: She's like, we need should consider going to school. I
Speaker 1: was like, not snatched the pant or so mad I
Speaker 1: tell my mom about it. I was like depressed that
Speaker 1: about My mom said, well, at least you could go
Speaker 1: do it, go and check on the school and see
Speaker 1: what's going. I was like, okay, okay. So I go
Speaker 1: to the school Kermit and at the time they sold
Speaker 1: me makeup because I've seen that's what my focus was.
Speaker 1: But little we both know nether makeup is like the
Speaker 1: little lest the practicing so and what they were doing
Speaker 1: I was already doing, but they were teaching. I was
Speaker 1: already doing that and more because I was doing shows
Speaker 1: and they just teat you how to do it for
Speaker 1: state board. That's it. We're just like dark light. That's it,
Speaker 1: ten credits or whatever exactly. That's it. I remember doing
Speaker 1: a microdime bration and I remember the first time when
Speaker 1: I got this, lady got up and she looked in
Speaker 1: the mirror herself and touched her face. She started crying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'm in shock because I'm like that. Listen,
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you sent me f It's so beautiful,
Speaker 1: my skin fields kid. So I knew immediately it was
Speaker 1: like a drug addition for that moment. I knew then
Speaker 1: because we like immediate results, and sometimes it's unrealistic. Let's
Speaker 1: be clear, not magicians, but you know, hey, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my best, but a lot of times they want a
Speaker 1: lot in thirty minutes that they are wrong doing in
Speaker 1: thirty years. I want you to reverse the thirty years
Speaker 1: of damage. Right. So but I remember her face and
Speaker 1: I remember how that felt for me, and I was
Speaker 1: screw makeup. Yeah, immediately I wanted to screw make up
Speaker 1: because you can do makeup all do long. Makeup is beautiful,
Speaker 1: It's been here for centuries. No, it doesn't damage the
Speaker 1: skin in lestr abuts that go to sleep in and
Speaker 1: over and over and over. Thank you. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: when you get that skin right, baby canvas, Okay, that
Speaker 1: campus right, everything else we'll followed. For me, it felt
Speaker 1: good to see that. So I was hooked. But in
Speaker 1: the same token, Karmen, I didn't think I could afford machines.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the hell I was going to
Speaker 1: get any of those things. There's a lot of upstart costs,
Speaker 1: right that you don't have any ideas how are you
Speaker 1: going to even attain those things? And I would just
Speaker 1: say that to say it's a lot of times, once again,
Speaker 1: like Mac, I was disappointed because the position that I
Speaker 1: thought that I don't wanted was never created with a
Speaker 1: trans woman in mind. A lot of times with these
Speaker 1: big companies, that's what happened because we don't always have
Speaker 1: the access necessarily to go to a school, right, I
Speaker 1: can't afford to and if you can, that's fortunate. Shamari
Speaker 1: Renee saw a future for herself in the aesthetics industry,
Speaker 1: and two thousand and five a time when she was
Speaker 1: looking to enroll an esthetic school, the world was very
Speaker 1: different from today. Remember, same sex marriage wouldn't become legal
Speaker 1: in all fifty states until these were still the Bush
Speaker 1: Junior years. After all is the international school. When I
Speaker 1: when I accepted on going, they was like, well, you
Speaker 1: have tosinish your transcripts and everything. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is two thousand and five when this is going on.
Speaker 1: Right before the same sex law marriage, Obama hadn't even
Speaker 1: been president checked right, so now these things happened, Okay,
Speaker 1: George Bush. Right, I remember saying, oh my god, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get my papers from school, Like of course there's
Speaker 1: a transform you're thinking about all those things because once
Speaker 1: again the stigma. They don't expect us once again to
Speaker 1: go to school to further education. So when I went
Speaker 1: to the school, went to the school and delayed in
Speaker 1: the office Asian Mary, we have some papers, we have papers,
Speaker 1: but we have some and so and song and this
Speaker 1: has mailed. I was like, wow, that's definitely my high
Speaker 1: school transcripts. You should have seen her face, carm And
Speaker 1: she was like and I was. She was like, We've
Speaker 1: never been a situation, but I'm so how about it.
Speaker 1: She was very apologized, thinking that she was offending me.
Speaker 1: Actually she wasn't. I loved them because they were so
Speaker 1: accommodating to make sure that I I was comfortable with everything.
Speaker 1: They were very mindful of the pronounced they used. There
Speaker 1: was like, anything that we can do to make your
Speaker 1: transition easier. We're here. I don't know. They had meeting
Speaker 1: amongst the teachers, like, hey, this is the name that
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. We're gonna go by this. And I
Speaker 1: had to be honest with your Carmen. I hadn't even
Speaker 1: got my name changed until even when I graduated. At
Speaker 1: the time in two thousand and seven, I hadn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't get my name changed into like August. It's not easy,
Speaker 1: it's not cheap and at the time and right right so,
Speaker 1: But the thing is, at the time I felt all
Speaker 1: that poverty for them. I don't even think they have
Speaker 1: those now. Name change. It was the poverty from ladies
Speaker 1: if you want to do it. They still have it,
Speaker 1: but had a poverty form because once again i'm trans
Speaker 1: This was something that I found out through resource other
Speaker 1: trans sistors, and ironically the cap County when I did it,
Speaker 1: declined it. Wow, the name changed. Everything isn't that shitty?
Speaker 1: But I went to Fulton County and they did it quick.
Speaker 1: The school is very accommodating to me with that, so
Speaker 1: they let me go to school for two years without
Speaker 1: any question about put my names on all the stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, you'll handle it. You've been a great student.
Speaker 1: So when I finished school Carmera, I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to start a career aesthetics. You have all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but all the tools, but they don't say go here
Speaker 1: or there's no guidance. So at once scanned we're in
Speaker 1: a different class trends. So I went on several several
Speaker 1: confusing interviews because you're like, I have all the credentials,
Speaker 1: all the references. I'm what's skilled? What's the fucking process?
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like, what's the problem? And I
Speaker 1: got so many noes? And of course on that training ship,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later. So on my training ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not good enough up. I know this
Speaker 1: is going to happen. They don't want me to be tray.
Speaker 1: They don't want me the perfect come because I'm come
Speaker 1: to express that kind of treatment period, whether you're a
Speaker 1: black girl, white, just trans is to me as a
Speaker 1: whole class byself. Right, yeah, exactly, but even harder when
Speaker 1: you are black and trans. Yes, absolutely even harder. I
Speaker 1: luck like I want to remember with a theater company
Speaker 1: and this and make up for a while. And in
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, one of my girlfriends shout out
Speaker 1: to Kindred Hall. She's a great esthetician and an alpha ratic.
Speaker 1: She has her own place. Shout shout out to love her.
Speaker 1: She's always just like my sister. If I was in
Speaker 1: the girl should probably my wife. She's my lipstick lesbian lover. Right,
Speaker 1: So she never let her hand about me for school.
Speaker 1: She was like, sham Harry, why don't you start your
Speaker 1: own business. I was like, just shooting it. They like,
Speaker 1: I'm like for the rejection or whatever. She was like,
Speaker 1: trust me, she said, you're in, You're in the community.
Speaker 1: You have a following. You like, I've been to the club,
Speaker 1: but you they treat you like Whitney Houston all the stuff.
Speaker 1: She was like, I work for this medical doctors medical clinic,
Speaker 1: and they're selling that micro durmember machine. Would you like
Speaker 1: about She said, I think we should go. I think
Speaker 1: you should get that. I was like, okay, ch'ad go ahead,
Speaker 1: see what's going on, just saying it. No, this bitch
Speaker 1: was for real. Okay. So she went to the place
Speaker 1: and came back and told me the price. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's talk him down. She was like, well, but she
Speaker 1: was the one who tell me just got the road.
Speaker 1: She's like okay. So not only did she go back,
Speaker 1: did she talk him down, but she gave me half
Speaker 1: of the money to get the machine. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: had no choice but scept to build up the other half.
Speaker 1: Like okay. So I got the machine and September or
Speaker 1: two times, well this shout out to Diamond Faces. This
Speaker 1: makes ten years a decade. Could not believe it. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. So she brought the machine to my house, Carmen.
Speaker 1: At the time, I'm living in the hood. I'm on
Speaker 1: the west side of Town of Police Street right there.
Speaker 1: The house was built a nice t was a nice
Speaker 1: house that did it really cute, but it was in
Speaker 1: the hood. Just to be clear, I didn't have a
Speaker 1: car at the time. I was a hood rad I
Speaker 1: was to say too. So that was catching the train
Speaker 1: okay and stuff. Okay. My first when she came up
Speaker 1: to the house, she was like, this is the machine.
Speaker 1: This is what a dude child. I'm going out of
Speaker 1: town girl, make your money comment. I promised on everything.
Speaker 1: I looked at the machine for like a whole week,
Speaker 1: and you were like, how do I use to know?
Speaker 1: What the fund? Did I do? I knew how to
Speaker 1: use it with. I don't have any clients. I didn't
Speaker 1: have any products. I didn't even know what even get
Speaker 1: clients from this? And this is two right, what do
Speaker 1: I start? This is because I want in two thousand seven,
Speaker 1: so it's having many years later. Yeah, comment on everything.
Speaker 1: I did some of my gay kids, and I did
Speaker 1: queer family, my queer family, and it was like, I
Speaker 1: want to facial. Yeah. I did one of the facials
Speaker 1: and they started to post. At the time, I didn't
Speaker 1: have an Instagram page. I barely had a face of
Speaker 1: page and I didn't know that you could use those
Speaker 1: that time for advertisement. At the time, I think was
Speaker 1: my Space or something going on yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1: It was back to back there. That was to look
Speaker 1: at the money. Okay, a lot of them. So so
Speaker 1: Kendrick came back in town and she was a girl,
Speaker 1: I know you're making your money. I was like, I
Speaker 1: haven't ever used the machine yet. Oh my god. She
Speaker 1: custom me, I'm so bad. She custod my ass and
Speaker 1: she and I needed it. She said, you use it.
Speaker 1: Wait at man, you got this whole machine sitting around.
Speaker 1: You gotta hoole cam me. They treat you like Whitney
Speaker 1: houstand bad. You need to use it. I was like,
Speaker 1: So she made me feel bad. So I needed a
Speaker 1: kick in the ask to get over. So I called
Speaker 1: this at the time, I think it right. Everybody needs that,
Speaker 1: you know, to get us together. So I woul did
Speaker 1: this um show. And this was the beginning of the
Speaker 1: the YouTube. So his name was Jacob and he had
Speaker 1: a show. I called him and said, hey, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: He said, what's up show show? I was like, I
Speaker 1: wanna come. I want to come on your show and
Speaker 1: talk about a business. He was like, I got some
Speaker 1: announce he said, with you to stop walking balls again.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, as I'm starting to business. He
Speaker 1: said you are. I was like yes. He said, have
Speaker 1: you told anybody else? I was like no, He said no,
Speaker 1: come on the show. We want to take you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I was like, he said, we need a guy's Carmen.
Speaker 1: I went on the show at the time of Rian
Speaker 1: Blin Tiago, who was on Drag Race. She was hosting
Speaker 1: the show It's gonna mind Sherry should have been among
Speaker 1: my clients are gonna girly China, And I was a guy.
Speaker 1: So when I went on the show, Krmen, I talked
Speaker 1: as if the business is already going. I only talked
Speaker 1: when I saw my head At I finished. Jacob was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play this interview next week and it's
Speaker 1: going to change everything, Carmen. Those people when he played
Speaker 1: the interview, they were blowing my father up. What is
Speaker 1: that I wanted? They didn't even know what it was.
Speaker 1: They were like I wanted. So I started to clients
Speaker 1: to start coming. It was offering the community. It was like, okay,
Speaker 1: great two thousand and thirteen Priday weekend and okay, it
Speaker 1: was on a Friday. I had thirteen people in my house,
Speaker 1: all guys. I know that my neighbor thought that I
Speaker 1: was a whole. So I know she thought, this is
Speaker 1: a little horne, and I'm like, I know that, right.
Speaker 1: But in the the night, I said, let me google
Speaker 1: how I supposed to look because this is I'm one
Speaker 1: of something. I just don't know what it is? What
Speaker 1: is it? When Shamari Renee entered the ascetics industry, she
Speaker 1: was very aware that there were no spas specifically for
Speaker 1: black men. She knew lots of black men in the
Speaker 1: ballroom scene who were undoubtedly interested in skin care services
Speaker 1: that nobody was tapping into. So Diamond Faces skin Bar
Speaker 1: became the first aesthetics business to be owned and operated
Speaker 1: by a black trans woman in Atlanta. Back in, salon
Speaker 1: suites were just becoming the hot thing around here. Very
Speaker 1: few asteticians back then were stepping out on their own
Speaker 1: to operate their own salon suits. But these days that's
Speaker 1: what most successful institutions are doing. I guess you could
Speaker 1: say that is a trend setter. And then the night came.
Speaker 1: I was recogress the rare one. I never forget it.
Speaker 1: I was sitting on my bed, I impoogled images of
Speaker 1: spas and guess what did not come up? What's up?
Speaker 1: No black man? Correct? Exactly one, even in textbooks and
Speaker 1: things like that, Karmen. In my mind, I'm thinking myself instantly,
Speaker 1: if thirteen people men came to my home today today
Speaker 1: with no really besides social media, my song only something.
Speaker 1: And at that time I didn't even when I did
Speaker 1: hit an Instagram page, I didn't put any pictures of
Speaker 1: myself because I was afraid that people wouldn't come and judge,
Speaker 1: and judgement basically trans right, yeah yeah, or is this
Speaker 1: I'm running up a happy ending kind of thing at
Speaker 1: my home. And so all those once again on the
Speaker 1: train and ship, all those things came back. Mother said
Speaker 1: that we are we were south, and not call that
Speaker 1: training ship because even now training ship will slide out
Speaker 1: of you and expose this stuff and you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm still here mentally, So I said, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: all of my clients I find this hell, so let
Speaker 1: me use them because people don't know if they get
Speaker 1: straight one, I don't know, because I don't talk about
Speaker 1: that when I come to talk about your face. I
Speaker 1: don't care what the preference is when I tell you
Speaker 1: that just got rocketed because they knew when they saw
Speaker 1: this person, These clients with this white man's going that
Speaker 1: people are starting to use now that this is I
Speaker 1: want that. What I love about guys is it's differently
Speaker 1: between guys and girls. Men are better. Clients are very loyal.
Speaker 1: I agree, they're very loyal. They're going to refer you
Speaker 1: to several people. They're gonna be it is well, I'm
Speaker 1: they're gonna use everything that they're not gonna be like,
Speaker 1: well this one person told me to do And did
Speaker 1: you see the girl on YouTube? What about the girl
Speaker 1: on TikTok who said to do this? And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: sid why the hell? But I listened to and not
Speaker 1: on't even know she's an aesthetician, you know. So it
Speaker 1: just blew up. I mean, yeah, I can imagine because
Speaker 1: you found a niche. That's the thing that Kendra was
Speaker 1: telling me that I didn't understand that they're no, they're here,
Speaker 1: they want and the thing is because they've been waiting
Speaker 1: for that right And the thing is they didn't know
Speaker 1: what they want they wanted because people always say, you
Speaker 1: don't know a person doesn't know what they wanted to
Speaker 1: show them. So obviously that's what happened. And then it
Speaker 1: just blew up. I didn't expected to go crazy like that,
Speaker 1: consider I was still working for my home. I worked
Speaker 1: from home for two years straight. Okay, and you work
Speaker 1: out of a studio now, well, I work at a
Speaker 1: studio and Buckhead actually, but there about six or seven
Speaker 1: years and most of my clients are steal The clients
Speaker 1: have been coming to me since two thousand and twelve.
Speaker 1: And that is a sign of an amazing institution. Didn't
Speaker 1: you know what the thing is? That's res and a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know what, when you're working in
Speaker 1: the thick of it, you forget about that, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you often forget, oh my god, I've been seeing this
Speaker 1: person for five years. And when when you said it,
Speaker 1: yes the kids are graduate, I know, like, oh my gosh, wow,
Speaker 1: it is wild. Yeah, And I think that's amazing that
Speaker 1: you're able to find that niche within your community and
Speaker 1: and be able to provide those services capitalized off. Because
Speaker 1: the thing is, we both know in our community, vanity
Speaker 1: is a thing, yeah, exactly, and there is money to
Speaker 1: be spent, and they're going to spend it because they
Speaker 1: want to feel good. And if you think about it,
Speaker 1: a lot of times in our community, unfortunately people are single.
Speaker 1: They look but they I think they've investents in the
Speaker 1: cells so they can feel good about themselves. So I
Speaker 1: don't think anything is wrong with that. I feel like
Speaker 1: the guys, a lot of guys in our community don't
Speaker 1: have children. Yeah, so they're going to spend money on
Speaker 1: themselves to look good. The benefits and gentlemen. You know,
Speaker 1: when I realized now teen, usually I had to create
Speaker 1: a line for myself, even with aesthetics. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: place for me. It was not in now that tween
Speaker 1: years in a decade, and I see it feel good
Speaker 1: to see like other trans women. Shout out to my
Speaker 1: sister and Miss Darting and freaking Virginia, she's amazing, changing faces.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my other daughter in New York, Til Sanders,
Speaker 1: She's amazing. Shout out to my other daughter in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: Sean Griffin. Those are three ladies that I know personally
Speaker 1: that I say are great, that were influenced by me
Speaker 1: that I don't know. They asked me stuff, and I
Speaker 1: always were in boxing. I talked to my sister, Miss
Speaker 1: Darting Alicia Darting constantly on the phone. It feels good
Speaker 1: to know that they watched. They took a chance because
Speaker 1: you remember Eric and bad it was a hair status
Speaker 1: or even a makeup artner. Absolutely, but how many people
Speaker 1: went to school to become an esthetician because they we
Speaker 1: didn't even know, Like I said, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: what it was. And I do think that even though
Speaker 1: I don't think we have a lot of trans women
Speaker 1: visible in the esthetics centerships, it's still is a very
Speaker 1: welcoming industries for trans people. Absolutely. The thing is, you
Speaker 1: know what coming like, You're the besides them. You're the
Speaker 1: only one outside of my daughters that I've met an esthetition.
Speaker 1: There's a transport And I said, my my girlfriends, my girlfriend, Kindrew,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, my sister Kindrew consistent Immica not saying there.
Speaker 1: I haven't been there, but I don't have another had
Speaker 1: another trancecard can call it back. What do you think
Speaker 1: about it? What do you think about that? Because you
Speaker 1: need that, you know, you have to, especially from different
Speaker 1: a different point of view. Yeah, And for a long
Speaker 1: time in my career, I spent a long time just
Speaker 1: living as stealth and not acknowledging the fact that I
Speaker 1: was trained. Was that it was awkward. I'd be doing
Speaker 1: a Brazilian wax. They'd be like asking me questions about
Speaker 1: my vagina, and I'm like, I have a vagina, girl like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know how to tell you
Speaker 1: this right now, but you know, or they'll be like,
Speaker 1: don't have a baby, it'll ruin your perfect body or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it was weird for you in a sense, in
Speaker 1: a sence, yeah, because it always felt like I appreciated it.
Speaker 1: I felt like, other, first, you're absolutely beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You guys should see her right like right now after that,
Speaker 1: I should have one gloss or something. I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: I didn't put it there with raindow, but a nice
Speaker 1: black hair, nice slight tend, you know, slightly good time.
Speaker 1: It's a good time, you know. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love it. So how was this? So stuff? Was it boring?
Speaker 1: It kind of was boring because after a while I
Speaker 1: got tired of it, right because you've got to seem
Speaker 1: like you work said. I never really stuff wasn't for
Speaker 1: me because I would probably be killed myself because I'm
Speaker 1: be bored. Like sometimes since women stuff is really boring,
Speaker 1: I can that no creative outlet, it's no nothing. You
Speaker 1: have to come to the stealth women. I love you, guys.
Speaker 1: I think you're beautiful, but you'll have to come to
Speaker 1: the gates to get that outlet. That is the ty
Speaker 1: have to come to the gates to get that. And
Speaker 1: most likely they want to come to the clubs and
Speaker 1: be like yeah exactly, yeah, so you need that, but
Speaker 1: they have to come to that self. If I'm already,
Speaker 1: if I know that you guys need at why would
Speaker 1: I leave what you'll need exactly? And so that is
Speaker 1: where I started to realize, like, I'm I need to
Speaker 1: be in my community, working with my people because that's
Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm most accepted and most comfortable
Speaker 1: and I can be my most authentic self. Why what
Speaker 1: is it that you think draws us to the aesthetics
Speaker 1: industry as trans women? I feel like for us as
Speaker 1: trans woman, we fell into it in the sense that
Speaker 1: we made it work in our favor. I feel like
Speaker 1: I wanted to stray away from it. But because a
Speaker 1: lot of time is the image that they put out
Speaker 1: of us as transformed as sex work Absolutely um with us,
Speaker 1: we're sexualized all the time. As soon as you say that,
Speaker 1: And then for me, I don't offer any kind of
Speaker 1: massages because you don't want to cross that pound and
Speaker 1: I don't want to fee uncomfortable. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to feel like it's a happy ending because I don't
Speaker 1: know what's your mind is when you're comeing to see me.
Speaker 1: You never know, you never know. And to my transistors,
Speaker 1: I want to say, go to school for it. It's
Speaker 1: a trade. If you're not if you don't know what
Speaker 1: you want to do, and if you are doing sex
Speaker 1: work ladies and young ladies, and so my chance if
Speaker 1: you are doing sex work, just turning into a professional.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't have to necessarily be sex work,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna call it that. We're already servicing guys.
Speaker 1: Just make it a professional way that you don't have
Speaker 1: to do that, like it's just to keep it real.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna do it, go ahead and
Speaker 1: do and make the best of it. Change your life.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think the most. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: about the esthetics industry is that it is able to
Speaker 1: empower so many women trans or assists to be able
Speaker 1: to uplift themselves. Before we went to break, Shamari told
Speaker 1: us about her loyal clientele that she gained from her
Speaker 1: years in the ballroom scene. So I asked to tell
Speaker 1: me about her history coming up in the ballroom scene
Speaker 1: and founding the House of Chanel, which has been featured
Speaker 1: on HBO's Legendary. When I first started, I remember saying
Speaker 1: I want to celebrity clientell and my first celebrity client
Speaker 1: was Rico Chappelle, the designer. He got me, It's like
Speaker 1: hey child. I was like, thank you for choosing time,
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey child, this Rico Chappelle. I said hey.
Speaker 1: He was like yeah, I heard try to chet the
Speaker 1: girl doing faces. We kind of get my face done.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you want to come tonight? He
Speaker 1: was like yeah, I said what time? He said about
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. I was but at the time almost like
Speaker 1: the strippers, I'm working all night. That's what there was.
Speaker 1: They were coming in and I had several stripper clients.
Speaker 1: Was coming easier to Oh my god, they get it.
Speaker 1: So he came over. No, he didn't have an entourage
Speaker 1: fore him, since he came to my house asking that
Speaker 1: he went any red wine. So we just sat a
Speaker 1: talk to the facial on him and he is. To date,
Speaker 1: Rico Chappelle is one of my most one of my
Speaker 1: loyal clients. He has dressed me several times with different events.
Speaker 1: He's been a judge of different balls. Anything that I've
Speaker 1: ever asked him to do, he's been and so shout
Speaker 1: out to him. I love him, my love like a yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been amazing. That is something else I want to
Speaker 1: touch on. Two is so you're founder of the House
Speaker 1: of Chanel and you're from the Ballroom. You want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your history, and they so, well,
Speaker 1: if I can give out a lot of numbers, because
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how old I am, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: a vampire. Ladies and gentlemen. So I'm gonna just say this.
Speaker 1: I'm the foundering mother of the House of Chanelle, and
Speaker 1: do not people don't edit up. I will come and
Speaker 1: get you, Okay, okay, don't add it. I would be
Speaker 1: in the mirror, like, don't play with me. The ballroom
Speaker 1: seems actually how they're the foundation to my business. All
Speaker 1: of the winners shout out to my Daughter's shout out
Speaker 1: to Overall Mother, Did Levan shout out to Overall Mother,
Speaker 1: Exotic McClair, shout out to Mother Atlanta Chapter Eric Levan
Speaker 1: shout out to hold Like I can get the list
Speaker 1: of winners Tiffany Monroe, like all the big time winners
Speaker 1: have laid on my table. I could never leave the
Speaker 1: ballroom scene the because of that alone. They've been the
Speaker 1: foundation of my business. Like you said, your niche. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing is I was in balls in ninety
Speaker 1: I didn't started doing it for the bottom scene to
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, right, So that's a followed you
Speaker 1: know that. So they've been rocking with me since then,
Speaker 1: you know. And not only was I winning and walking
Speaker 1: doing those times that time ago, but when I stopped
Speaker 1: and slowed down, they were the first month to attach
Speaker 1: themselves to my business, and like sha became a part
Speaker 1: of their aesthetic. The house smooglare mother excited. He's like cool,
Speaker 1: get your face, He'll to all the new recruits, the
Speaker 1: ones with our face. You need to go see the
Speaker 1: house regard sign did the same way a lot of them.
Speaker 1: How's it like, No, you need to see. So Scholotte
Speaker 1: to them for always supporting me no matter what, like
Speaker 1: I would do pop up shops pre pandemic in DC
Speaker 1: for pride. Have you ever been a DC Pride I haven't.
Speaker 1: I've only ever been. I know this sounds crazy. I've
Speaker 1: only ever been to Atlanta Pride my whole life, and
Speaker 1: I've been many times. I know I'm sheltered, girl, you
Speaker 1: gotta get me out outside. I only went to California,
Speaker 1: so my first time leaving this health. I've lived in
Speaker 1: the South my whole life and I never left the
Speaker 1: South until I went to California in February for the
Speaker 1: first time. And it was my first time ever leaving
Speaker 1: the South. I'm from a bubble. Who know, YouTube pretty
Speaker 1: just you guys. Once again, you should be seeing how
Speaker 1: she looks right here. But you know what it was
Speaker 1: is that training ship where the inner saboteur, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And so I had convinced myself that I wasn't worth
Speaker 1: any of that, you know. And why do we do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I think it's because we just
Speaker 1: let society continue to and they feed it to you.
Speaker 1: And that's, honestly speaking, that's how we sabotage, because where
Speaker 1: it's fair to you, it's nothing good, nothing ever is good.
Speaker 1: Pre Now, Yeah, what's said about us that age when
Speaker 1: it killed in the now, the numbers and transplant, specially
Speaker 1: by transfer murdered, that's insane. Yeah, yeah, that's insane. They
Speaker 1: say you don't. I'm fine from third too. I passed
Speaker 1: that almost three times. And that is the average life
Speaker 1: expectancy for a black trans woman. Yeah, I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of I had two girlfriends haven't murdered. Shanna Gibson
Speaker 1: was one of them. She's like my daughter. She got
Speaker 1: she was murdered in New Orleans a couple of years back.
Speaker 1: Mind blowing beautiful girl. Sorry trying to look her up.
Speaker 1: She's she's just freaking beautiful. Yeah. I was speechless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can imagine I would be use in the houses
Speaker 1: she walked. She walked sex hour, she was a sexy bit.
Speaker 1: She was beautiful and shout out to her crowd resus.
Speaker 1: So she was absolutely beautiful. And I know another girl
Speaker 1: named Malanda was murdered New Orleans as well too, So
Speaker 1: nice girl. So it's crazy in my time, I've witnessed
Speaker 1: that too. But we've seen some things I think get better. Yeah, absolutely, exact. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Laverne Cox has been contributed that she's all On TV.
Speaker 1: We have M. J. Rodriguez who wanted to go I
Speaker 1: am de Blanca off the ballroom saying I've been learned.
Speaker 1: I've been both mothers though elect I love take it all,
Speaker 1: you know, but it definitely has been since two thousand
Speaker 1: as well starting my business, that's been a lot has
Speaker 1: changed in the community, community, especially for us. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I think trans a lot of times takes
Speaker 1: the place of color. Passing is another thing too, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like, if you pass, then get a lot of treats,
Speaker 1: a lot of perks, a lot of perks, and if
Speaker 1: you don't, it's going to be harder, harder and maybe
Speaker 1: even violent way. And I always people people say I passed,
Speaker 1: I'm like a girl or whatever, But when I was
Speaker 1: a teenager, I didn't feel that way. No, we never
Speaker 1: feel like a brick. Here, Shamari Renee opens up about
Speaker 1: the struggles she had moving to Atlanta with no plans
Speaker 1: and nothing to her name. She talks about what it
Speaker 1: was like being homeless for a month and how that
Speaker 1: experience shaped who she is today. So you always on
Speaker 1: the transition, Oh yeah, always, Yeah. From the time I
Speaker 1: was a child, I was coming up with how did
Speaker 1: your family take it? I'm actually but he well, I
Speaker 1: mean my family, they for me, it was They're either
Speaker 1: going to accept it or I'm gonna be gone. So
Speaker 1: it was it going to be. So they accepted it
Speaker 1: because I really gave them no other choice. It was like,
Speaker 1: you're either going to accept it or you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be in my life kind of thing. Did you know
Speaker 1: it's crazy. When I moved here November, I got I
Speaker 1: got the bus for fifty dollars. I was homeless. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. But now sometimes in retrospect, when you
Speaker 1: think about stuf compared to now, things have changed all
Speaker 1: that because I didn't have a plan. I was homeless.
Speaker 1: Mine lived in Conyers. I didn't want to go to
Speaker 1: her place, and she had two sus signs. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm looking like a boy, but feeling like a girl
Speaker 1: or feeling like you know. So I didn't want to
Speaker 1: intervene on that, but I'm saying. I'm saying it to
Speaker 1: says I stood my stood being homeless, and that was
Speaker 1: actually a good teacher. Learn how to jump to rails.
Speaker 1: A lot you learn, for sure. But I don't have
Speaker 1: any regrets, Carmen, because it don't care makes you who
Speaker 1: you are, You thick skin and especial being trans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to have thick skin. You have to let
Speaker 1: this ship roll off your back. Because I have the time.
Speaker 1: People can say what they want to say about your
Speaker 1: regardless of exactly, no matter how pretty you are, really
Speaker 1: are they going to see some money Eastern I An
Speaker 1: or whatever exactly. They're always going to have that thing
Speaker 1: to punch you down with. Yeah, and see, my my mom,
Speaker 1: my family wasn't my mom and I and you would
Speaker 1: never think that we had any kind of problem now,
Speaker 1: but we were. I'm gonna think about this because she
Speaker 1: was afraid. Yeah. And also I think too for parents,
Speaker 1: they sometimes more in the loss of a child and
Speaker 1: think that they're losing a son and all of that.
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair though, Yeah, it is, because what
Speaker 1: happens is they try to push there on you and
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're not realistic. You know what
Speaker 1: they say about expectations. Expectations are just future disappointments. I
Speaker 1: know that's right, that's right, because that's the thing. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what my mom thought I was gonna do.
Speaker 1: My family always said that you're gonna be on TV,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be doing something like this. They always said
Speaker 1: it's not kind of knew that too. But I also
Speaker 1: know I love Danna Ross. I also know I love
Speaker 1: Jenna Jackson. I was in love with Whitney Houston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk talking to us about that, because that is actually
Speaker 1: one question I asked on my guests. It's like about
Speaker 1: your idols. Oh my god, Diana Diana Ross was the
Speaker 1: first one. My mom told me she were wigs. I
Speaker 1: started crying, Oh my god, you didn't believe her because
Speaker 1: she looked at my grandmother. And then of course there's
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson, of course, and but of all times, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Mary J. Blige, Absolutely, I'm such a Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige kind of check leg a coat, wedge, heels, short,
Speaker 1: sexy haircut her. That's who identified with. But honestly, you're
Speaker 1: gonna live when I said it's Carmen. I wanted my
Speaker 1: name to be Whitney Blige because I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: fast like Whitney Houston, to be charming and sassy. But
Speaker 1: I alwayso want to be like I'm not having it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not having it, you know. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: be I love the way merchant but Lize dressed. Yes, yes, style,
Speaker 1: you know, but I love Whitney like charisma, and she
Speaker 1: was sassy and just that kind of thing. So and
Speaker 1: see at the time, there wasn't any trans women that
Speaker 1: we could say we looked up to exactly, So I
Speaker 1: looked at those. One Whitney, he said, was the first
Speaker 1: black man being played on MTV, and I witnessed that.
Speaker 1: So to me, shout out to Whitney Houston. I will
Speaker 1: always be in love with Whitney's rest in peace. So
Speaker 1: those are like the people you grew up watching from.
Speaker 1: But I was in loving my grandmother and my mom.
Speaker 1: My mother was beautiful, and my grandmother was absolutely my
Speaker 1: favorite aunt. My grandmother was my biggest fan. She was
Speaker 1: the president of the club like. She was so supportive
Speaker 1: of anything I've done. She was the one who told
Speaker 1: me go to school because at the time, when I
Speaker 1: said about sol she was I was like, right, I
Speaker 1: think I want to get a sex change. At the time,
Speaker 1: I thought that's what I wanted. Guess what my grandma said.
Speaker 1: She was like, Oh, try if you said the four
Speaker 1: pussy one time, you to say before again, go to school.
Speaker 1: I love that you said it for a pussy one time,
Speaker 1: you can do it again. Shout out to Barbara. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Barbara, that was great and that was true. Barbara, right,
Speaker 1: she shoutou you did it once you could do it.
Speaker 1: And then my aunt, my favorite shout out to Darwin
Speaker 1: named Cherry. She's like my second mom. She was the
Speaker 1: one that had a hands on here. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: her assistant in the and I started taking her own therapy. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, we go to that phase where androgen you're awkward.
Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, ye, So my breast was growing,
Speaker 1: I was wearing the bras. My nipples is a big
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm not even seeing her son.
Speaker 1: It was a Friday night, Friday evening my eydset. She
Speaker 1: s let me talk to you you in the back. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay. She was like, what's going on? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just tired. She was like, what's going on with you?
Speaker 1: What's going over all this? I was like, what you mean?
Speaker 1: She was like what you mean? She was like what
Speaker 1: you mean? What I mean? Mind your my aunt? It
Speaker 1: was the diva blonde bomb blonde Shore, you know, had
Speaker 1: the hairstyles, the fabulous always. She was like, you're walking
Speaker 1: around here bras, no touch and she was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, don't go in on your half shaved your
Speaker 1: hands and slick back. You look a mask you need
Speaker 1: she said, um. She said, you need to be wearing
Speaker 1: a bra. She said, you are transition. You want to
Speaker 1: say you look as a matter of fact, since you
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what you what you need to be,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell what you need. You need to leave
Speaker 1: clock clock out, leave work and go get your hair
Speaker 1: fixed and come back to work Monday dressed appropriately like
Speaker 1: you dressed me go to the clubs is on the
Speaker 1: weekend when we go do those shows. You're coming up
Speaker 1: here to my shop looking at half asked. She told
Speaker 1: me to leave on a Friday, so that let me
Speaker 1: know that myne with serious about the transition, because I'm
Speaker 1: going to leave on a Friday, and means like if
Speaker 1: I'm not assisting, it means I'm not making any money,
Speaker 1: and so busiest day. Okay needs a sad laugh. And
Speaker 1: I came back Tuesday dressed the share and she was
Speaker 1: like she had a meeting with the shop. She was like,
Speaker 1: just my nieces. She reintroduced me like it was nothing.
Speaker 1: She was like, this my niece. She is the salon
Speaker 1: assistant and you're gonna respect her. And if anybody does
Speaker 1: not have any respect of her, don't discuss anything that anything,
Speaker 1: any problem you have her you talked to me, not her, Okay,
Speaker 1: just like that. It just happened that she mind was very,
Speaker 1: very very the one you need, you have to have it.
Speaker 1: And and at the time me and my mother weren't.
Speaker 1: We weren't, and she was. She was my second mom,
Speaker 1: you know. And of course you know when you're young,
Speaker 1: you and your no you fucket that or nobody understand
Speaker 1: why she was afraid. This doesn't come with the hand book.
Speaker 1: So my aunt was like, listen, I can't pay for
Speaker 1: your harmones, but you can keep your hair fixed him.
Speaker 1: And it's a little easier for someone like an aunt
Speaker 1: to be able to say, like, I can see what's
Speaker 1: going on without all feeling feelings. She was like and
Speaker 1: she was like she was like up in the faircast
Speaker 1: that the boy George Day, my honor is so that
Speaker 1: shout out to me and Darrel. She's always been. That's
Speaker 1: what took to the war show with me. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She was like she was in tears, she was taking pictures.
Speaker 1: We were sitting together. Was so funny timing because as
Speaker 1: soon as I sat down, they started announcing awards. My
Speaker 1: ward was the first one in the night. So I
Speaker 1: was in shock, like not prepared. I just got here
Speaker 1: and she's so busy trying to fix. Shout out to her,
Speaker 1: she's trying to fix the train of my dress, Like
Speaker 1: I look good, I mean a full melt that was
Speaker 1: just meltdown, and I think about it. But she was
Speaker 1: so proud because she would always say, your gifts are
Speaker 1: gonna make room for you at the table, and you did,
Speaker 1: and that you did. It's the only difference is I
Speaker 1: had to build down on tape. I'm bringing my chairs,
Speaker 1: but even building right, so you're right. Shout out to that. Yes,
Speaker 1: so thank you for paving the way for us. And
Speaker 1: it's a rough road at times, you know, your doubt yourself.
Speaker 1: So one question I try to ask all my guests
Speaker 1: is what do you believe makes trans beautiful? Why is
Speaker 1: trans beautiful to you? The tenacity of it, the tenacity
Speaker 1: effort to make a way out of no way to
Speaker 1: find the beauty and something that was called ugly or
Speaker 1: called not acceptable, called nonbelievable. Like I said, there's no
Speaker 1: good things that no one when you first become trans,
Speaker 1: and no one fed good seats into you. So the
Speaker 1: fact that we can turn anything into something beautiful, that's
Speaker 1: what makes you trans. Your your own creation. That's t
Speaker 1: your your own creation as a transportment where design engineered
Speaker 1: and built exactly how we want, exactly how we want
Speaker 1: to Who wouldn't want that? We're not basic? We can't
Speaker 1: be basically if you do design its yourself. Who wants
Speaker 1: to be basic? So I feel like, why not accepted?
Speaker 1: I feel like more people don't accept themselves because they
Speaker 1: weren't taught it. Oh yeah, yeah, we don't talk that
Speaker 1: we're talking. Weren't supposed to love ourselfs. So the fact
Speaker 1: that we have other women like yourself that are just
Speaker 1: like us, and we make a way out of no way,
Speaker 1: that makes it beautiful. And a lot we have regulars
Speaker 1: as women that don't have that exactly, And I think
Speaker 1: that is take you know this, women take it for
Speaker 1: granted in some ways, in a lot of ways. No,
Speaker 1: I hate when I hear women say I don't want
Speaker 1: to make up why not? It was created for you actually,
Speaker 1: so you don't want to take advantage of that? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sure to put it right. Let me make it,
Speaker 1: and then you get mad with me, right because I'm
Speaker 1: better because I'm better at it and faster, and I
Speaker 1: get it, and then and then you said, oh, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like me, No, you should be taking notes
Speaker 1: and being like me. I feel like sometimes we're a
Speaker 1: gift to absolutely. I feel like and in Bibles, certain
Speaker 1: religious transcript their dual minded people, the indigenous people said
Speaker 1: that we're doing minded spirited spirited people, and I, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. I feel like as transforming the driving fact
Speaker 1: that we were born with what friends like. I used
Speaker 1: to want to be sexual brand signed, but I don't
Speaker 1: want that now because the beautiful thing about being a
Speaker 1: sister and to a woman as they can bear children,
Speaker 1: I don't want to bear children. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a seen apparent either. I look at it
Speaker 1: that as a benefit for me. I feel like that's alone,
Speaker 1: that's a part of how we were wired. We can
Speaker 1: have children, but we can look like this to be
Speaker 1: able to think things out, to make something out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: because that's not easy for anyone to see the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: No matter what's handed to you, no matter what's whatever,
Speaker 1: you a person, paint your bed of it, you make
Speaker 1: the best out of it. And I think you have
Speaker 1: done that than for yourself. Absolutely, Thank you, think Renee,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being a comment. This has
Speaker 1: been such a delightful, delightful, delightful your new but tell
Speaker 1: us for the listeners where they can find you. Follow
Speaker 1: you guys. What My website is ww dot d faces
Speaker 1: with two z's dot com. My Instagram page is hacked,
Speaker 1: you guys, but his diamond underscore faces with his z or.
Speaker 1: My new page is faces by by Shaha and I'm
Speaker 1: doing some TikTok stuff. I've got some stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: I got some masterclasses is coming up. All you guys
Speaker 1: can also follow me on Facebook at Shamari Renee Cherry.
Speaker 1: That's Renee with one E on Facebook and you'll see
Speaker 1: the more stuff. I hope you all enjoyed my conversation
Speaker 1: with the amazing Shamari Renee. Please go check her out
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