1 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, this is okay. This is going to be 2 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: a weird one. And I think I have I think 3 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I have an interesting way for us to begin today's show. 4 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Ben, Hey Ben, and everyone I'm knowing, 5 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: and I'm I cannot wait to hear what you've got 6 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: up your sleeve. Well let's see, let's see if this 7 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: impresses you. Super producer Casey Pegrum. Can I just point 8 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: out real quickly, we're in a different studio today and 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: we keep banging our knees on the on the table happening. 10 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: How other people do this? We are so spoiled because 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: we endeavor to book a lot of our time in 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: the newer studio and this I like it. It's smaller, 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: it's it's got a cozy closet, like little closet. It's 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: got a cozy vibe because we have this paper lamp 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: on the table. You know. It's a little ambiance. Yeah, 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: but it's it's the tradeoff of the ambiance to the 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: knee banging. Not not worth it. But Ben hit us 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: with her. You're fascinating intro check this out, you know, fascinating, 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: but it's it's weird to me. So you remember Terrence Howard, 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: the actor who has played a number of commended roles Empire, Hustle, 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: and Flame so on. Yeah, he has invented a philosophy 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: or science that helped that he believes explains the universe 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: and fundamentally changes the way that we understand reality. Terrence 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Howard did this. Yeah, it's called Terriology. Wow, and that Okay, 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: this is true. Yeah, I've got to I've got to 26 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: send you this. So Terrence Howard, again lauded actor, believes 27 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: that he has created a secret system called terry Ology, 28 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: inspired by his realization in his mind that one times 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: one equals two instead of one times one equally one. 30 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: And you can read explanation to this. He's had an 31 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: interview with Rolling Stone wherein he talked about this and 32 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: says that lately he's been spending up to seventeen hours 33 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: a day working on this system of logic oddly enough, 34 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: what he calls it, and he believes that his discovery, 35 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: which is what he calls it, will change the way 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: that mathematics is taught for generations to come, and that 37 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: we're Pythagoras around to see this discovery, he would lose 38 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah, he says this is the last century 39 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: that our children will have to be taught that one 40 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: times one is one. Finally, for the first time ever, 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Terence howards As has solved it. Man Ben, I wouldn't 42 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: be surprised if he wasn't a fan of the subject 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: of today's episode, Mr Alfred Lawson. Yes, oh boy, that's 44 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: that's what I so. I was looking up other luminaries, right. 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I was was trying to find people who had insisted 46 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: on creating their own understanding of the world for their 47 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: own I guess we'll call it philosophical entrepreneurship. I don't 48 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: know we will. Smith's kids did it. That's true. It's 49 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: true and old they did. Alfred Lawson perhaps is an 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: inspiration to some of these people in the more modern age. 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: He was born way back in eighteen sixty nine, in 52 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: March twenty four, and he's a man of many interests, 53 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Love him or hate him, 54 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: He's definitely a renaissance dude. He did some stuff. Yeah, yeah. 55 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: He started off um as one of the first professional 56 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: baseball players when that was very, very very much in 57 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: its early days. Um. I believe he played for the 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Boston bean Eaters. Yes, did I make that up, and 59 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: I think that that actual team went on to become 60 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Braves, and in some former fashion, yes they did. 61 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And and by all accounts, Lawson wasn't 62 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: particularly great at baseball, um, but somehow maybe in those 63 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: early days he didn't have to be because it was 64 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: so new. Not quite sure how he he inched his 65 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: way into that world, but apparently it turned him off 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: because there was too much tobacco, alcohol, and uh, just 67 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, womanizing. He was a little bit more of 68 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: a measured kind of intellectual type and he didn't like, 69 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, consorting with all these ruffians. Yeah, it was 70 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: immoral to him. His minor league career, I think went 71 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: from eight to around nineteen o seven. Uh, and he 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: was playing in the minor leagues. He also played for 73 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Alleghanies, and he went on after that career 74 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to start his O baseball league had a pretty pretty 75 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: clunky name. Um that we learned from an article from 76 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: our buddies at Mental Floss eleven notes on Alpha W. 77 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: Lawson founder of the weirdest university ever, which, mind you, 78 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to. But yeah, he founded this league 79 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: called the Union leagues of professional base space ball clubs 80 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: of America. So at this point baseball wasn't even a 81 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: single word. Yet it was a brave new world of this, 82 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: this this crazy sport. Imagine a ball and also a 83 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: base Yeah, the combination of the two. Um. He moved 84 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: on pretty quickly after that did not work out. Um. 85 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: He then decided he wanted to be a part of 86 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: what he saw as a pretty important UM technological movement 87 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: UH innovation, which was aviation. It is true he was inspired. 88 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: This comes from Mental Flaws article, but also from a 89 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: couple of excellent documentaries we saw. He was inspired by 90 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: the story of the Right Brothers. He recognized, to his credit, 91 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: he recognized the profound change that aviation would mean for 92 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: human civilization at large, and he wanted to be part 93 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: of it. More and more. As we explore this guy's life, 94 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: we'll see one phrase that I think applies to him directly, 95 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: and that is early adopter. He had no experience in publishing, 96 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: He had no experience in aviation. So he decided to 97 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: publish a magazine about aviation. Yeah, but but it was 98 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: all based on just like his gut, his gut instinct 99 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: that this was going to be a big deal. Um. 100 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: And he even had notions of a future um society 101 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: where everyone lived on aircraft of some kind. Right, as 102 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: superior people, I feel like we have to hold out that. 103 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Let's lets let's let's get there. We'll get there. We'll 104 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: get there, We'll we're gonna earn this one, folks. So 105 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: Lawson starts an aviation magazine. He actually starts too. One 106 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: is called fly and one is called Aircraft. And when 107 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: he starts these very few people have actually flown, like 108 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: you could count them on one hand. And these weren't 109 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: meant to be like trade papers because there really was 110 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: no industry to speak of at this point. It was 111 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: more for like novice enthusiasts that might want to find 112 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: out more about this uh this new you know, brave 113 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: new world of flight. Right. It was almost like science 114 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: fiction or cutting edge tech masaya, exactly like Wired, which 115 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: made a really great article about this. Actually, Matt Simon 116 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: of Wired called fantastically wrong. I'm not gonna give the 117 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: whole subtype because it might spoil a little bit of 118 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: where we're heading. But um, this is a story of innovation. 119 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: This guy is very much an early adopter. Like you said, Um, 120 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: but it all kind of goes off the rails pretty quickly. 121 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: But before that happens, he does a little thing where 122 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: he kind of invents basically the modern passenger plane. Yeah. Yeah, 123 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: he invented the airliner, or to be more specific, the 124 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: idea of it. He also did not have technical knowledge, 125 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: so he thought, he thought, planes are amazing. What's the 126 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: next step. Let's make them like busses for the sky. 127 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Let me hire some people who can build this in 128 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: a way that will actually work. We should also say, 129 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: one thing this guy never suffered from was a lack 130 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: of confidence. One of my favorite quotes from him comes 131 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: from his own description of his of his birth. He 132 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: saw that right where he describes his birth in eighteen 133 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: sixty nine as quote the most momentous occurrence since the 134 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: birth of mankind. And he he is able to apply 135 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: this confidence in a contagious way. People buy into his idea. 136 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: He convince these designers and these engineers to build this 137 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 1: aircraft and it actually works. Low and behold in Milwaukee 138 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: and n he unveils the airliner to the world. At 139 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: this time, it's the largest non military plane in the 140 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: entirety of the US, and it seats about sixteen to 141 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: twenty six people, depending on how you position the seats, 142 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: and he launches Lost in Airlines. Yeah, and there was 143 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: a European company that successfully flew what you could kind 144 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: of mountain lump into this as as an airliner. But 145 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: I think it only held four, which to me just 146 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: sounds more like a plane, like a small plane, you know, 147 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: because I guess typically in those days of plane would 148 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: hold two. So it's just you got you had two 149 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: more passengers. Not really a commercially you know, lucrative proposition there. Yeah, 150 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: and for a time Lost in Airlines was doing okay 151 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: for a short time because they were bringing newer and 152 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: more impressive innovations to this concert up of commercial flight, which, folks, 153 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: we cannot emphasize enough. We cannot exaggerate this enough. Commercial 154 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: flight is a brand new idea. It's wild. It's like 155 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: if somebody said, let's build pet shops on the moon, 156 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, so that moondogs and cats can have their 157 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: supplies of toys. People really didn't know whether this would work. 158 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: And Lawson, despite premiering this what I think nol you 159 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: and I would both agree as the first real airliner, 160 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: Lawson becomes a cautionary tale in n Yeah. But but 161 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: just before that, in nineteen nineteen, he did actually create 162 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: an airliner that could see eighteen people like we said, 163 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: and had a system in place, UM where he could 164 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: uh successfully fly people from New York to San Francisco 165 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: and I believe thirty six hours. He was also getting 166 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: a some lucrative contracts from the government. He was in 167 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: the running, rather he was the clear front runner to 168 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: get some postal delivery contracts. So things are going well 169 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: as we said. But what happens in well um a 170 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: problem that that he had was he instead of making 171 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: more of the I learned this from a documentary called 172 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: Man Life UM, which is really really great. I recommend 173 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: it's on Amazon. You can stream that, and it's about 174 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: It's about Lawson in his life and his legacy, but 175 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: also like his like kind of loan follower that still 176 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: you know in the Merle Hayden. It's really really kind 177 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: of touching, beautiful, very sad, but also fascinating UM. And 178 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: in it the filmmaker makes a point that are one 179 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of the historians of the interview that he should have 180 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: just built more of the one that seeded eighteen or 181 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: like improved upon that, but instead he kept wanting to 182 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: go bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, and eventually, yeah, 183 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: nineteen one, he made one that was I think supposed 184 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: to see like a hundred and it uh, it did. 185 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: It crashed and burned. It was it was you know, 186 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: too m unwieldy and it just didn't work. And his 187 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: backers were like, Okay, we're done, because they were already 188 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of like he had been taking too long to 189 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: come out with this new aircraft and they were losing 190 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: confidence in him, and this was that this is they 191 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: were done. It kept becoming more extravagant. So this was 192 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: the loss in L four. It was the last in 193 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: his series of airliners that he had designed and built. 194 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: It was complete in n but when it flew, it 195 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: crashed on its initial takeoff. And there's a similar risk 196 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: whenever we're talking about transit technology to put on my 197 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: car stuff hat for a second. We're in a similar 198 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: situation with autonomous vehicles right now. If there is a 199 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: particularly tragic accident or event that occurs with an autonomous vehicle, 200 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: it may well change the laws and we might not 201 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: be able to have them. Is a very sensitive time 202 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: and technological history. However, this guy is nothing if not 203 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: determine it and tenacious. So when he has these government 204 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: contracts and despite the L four crashing, he says he's 205 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: gonna keep carrying on. But unfortunately in there was a recession, 206 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: so he could not secure the cash reserves he needed 207 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: for those US contracts. And despite some of his commercial failures, 208 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: he was widely considered to be one of the leading 209 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: thinkers in the world of commercial aviation. Yeah, he actually 210 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: won the Winged America Award and um a magazine called 211 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Scientific Age called him the world's leading passenger airplane builder. 212 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: And this is coming from a great article and on 213 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Milwaukee dot com. We should also mention there's a strong 214 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: Wisconsin connection here because his airline was actually headquartered in Milwaukee, 215 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: and he had designs to turn this city into like 216 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: the Detroit of the aeronautics industry. He wanted Milwaukee to 217 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: be the aviation as Detroit once was for automobiles. And 218 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: when the company collapses, lost and soldiers on and he 219 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: shifts his area of focus. At first, he starts promoting 220 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: various health practices that he had always himself engaged in, 221 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: such as vegetarianism and uh, abstaining from tobacco and alcohol 222 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: and so on. He also around this time claimed that 223 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: he had discovered a sure fire way for people to 224 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: live to the age of two hundred, which as far 225 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: as we know, no one has ever done. And he 226 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: starts rethinking a childhood experiment, I guess a better way 227 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: to say it as a childhood moment and observation and 228 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: observation perfect that stayed with him into his adulthood, and 229 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: he contemplates it in increasingly intense ways. And the observation 230 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: is this, as a child, he sees dust in the air, 231 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: and he realizes that he can move the dust toward 232 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: him by sucking an air and move it away from 233 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: him by expelling air. Suction and pressure. That's right, Ben, 234 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: suction and pressure. We're just gonna leave that there for 235 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: right now. But we will return my words. Yes, but 236 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: first we have to go back to the time period. 237 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: You see, the recession in the US that occurred in 238 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties was seen as a a correction of market forces. Unfortunately, 239 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: it turns out that this correction was either wrong or 240 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: not enough to repair the situation, because then we lead 241 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: into nineteen nine, very bleak period in US history. Yeah, 242 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: the aforementioned Great Depression, the big one where you know, 243 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: so many Americans lost their jobs and couldn't afford to 244 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: feed their families. And I think there was just a 245 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: real need, um, a desperation to find answers and to 246 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: find some kind of relief. Uh. And one source of 247 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: that could be in and say, some kind of ideology 248 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: that you know, is pushed forward by a certain eccentric 249 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: former aviation entrepreneur, Award winning Knoll aviation entrepreneur. Yeah, he 250 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: had his bona fides, and he developed his own philosophy 251 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: that originally started as an economic theory, just the straight 252 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: economic theory. And what he told larger, larger crowds at 253 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: various conferences, functions, and rallies was that the Great Depression 254 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: had a single discernible cause, and this single discernible cause 255 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: was the role of international financier's banks, essentially privately owned banks. 256 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: And he said that they were creating the economic crisis 257 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: which had engulfed the US and the world by this point. 258 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: And he said that these banks are the oppressors of 259 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: the working force, they're the oppressors of the capital in 260 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: a country's economy, and that there was thank God. A 261 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: way that he had come up with to fix it, 262 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: to get rid of money and replace it with something 263 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: else called direct credit. Yeah, direct credit. Um. And it's 264 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not entirely clear what he meant by that, based 265 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: on the things that I've read, like is it I 266 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: think it's sort of like the idea that money only 267 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: has value based on the goods and services themselves, and 268 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: like and the and the and the idea that you 269 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: could get a loan directly from the government or with 270 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: the government acting as like a steward of the loan, 271 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: but that he wanted to abolish interest because in his 272 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: mind interest. We've talked about this before on other shows, 273 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: the idea that it is very unpopular and considered usurist, 274 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, like with the Cocklane ghost story or whatever. 275 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a little truth to that. It's interesting, 276 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the idea of you know, selling people money. Uh, it's 277 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a of a weird one, 278 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: but we've kind of come to accept it. And it's 279 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: like sort of the basis of our economy and so 280 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: weird how quickly things become normal. His idea to replace 281 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: money in the economic system was summed up by the 282 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: issuance of direct credit. Direct credit for everybody was one 283 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: of the slogans they caught on with the Direct Credit Society, 284 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: and nol uh, you you nailed it. I was looking 285 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: for the primary differences, and there are three differences they 286 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: can find between direct credit and the economic system we 287 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: have today. The first, the most important, is the abolition 288 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: of interest and in other society's interests. In the way 289 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: we understand it isn't really a thing either, especially in 290 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: some Muslim countries, so it's possible to have an alternative system. 291 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: He was not speaking of religion at this point. Very 292 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: important to say. So those three differences abolished interests, remove 293 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: control of money from private banking systems, you know as 294 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: he saw them, and put it in the hands of 295 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: the government. This is after thirteen and the establishment of 296 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: the federal reserve system, by the way. So the third 297 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: difference is more of a consequence of this. It centralizes 298 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: uh control of the economy and service agglomeration of different 299 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: banks with different interests on multiple levels. There's the single 300 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: source Uncle Sam, who's giving people interest free money. It's 301 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: just called direct credit for landownership, for goods and services 302 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: for various things. To a lot of people during the depression. 303 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: This seems like a great idea. Well yeah, I mean 304 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: thousands of people got behind it, and he actually had 305 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of codified all this and uh, I guess, I 306 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: mean it was a book you can call it a manifesto. 307 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: Really is when you really starts getting into these kind 308 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: of more high minded philosophical ideas. Because the thing about 309 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: Direct Credits for Everybody, which was the name of his book, um, 310 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: is that it wasn't only about economics. It incorporated his 311 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: particular flavor and understanding of physics and the way the 312 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: universe works, and those ideas of suction and pressure that 313 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. These are key points to this 314 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: direct credit idea. So not only is it some kind 315 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: of you know, treatise on how we can improve the 316 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: economy and save us from you know, the depression, um 317 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: and make things more fair. Built into that is kind 318 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: of a philosophy of life that incorporates everything from personal 319 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: health and wellness to money and equates the two, right, right, Yeah, 320 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: So the book Direct Credits for Everybody is sort of 321 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: this utopian manifesto. I think manifesto is the correct word, 322 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: and it describes not only direct credits, but it describes, 323 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: as you said, his other concepts and to laws in 324 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: these concepts are chained together. You can't understand his economic 325 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: claim unless you understand his claims about physics to laws 326 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: in these are inseparable. And so imagine that you are 327 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: a new member of the direct Credit Society. The depression 328 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: is in full swing. You like this idea of getting 329 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: the bankers out. To Lawson's defense, he was never, at 330 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: least as far as we could find, who's never openly 331 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: like an anti semi No, now it wasn't. And there 332 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: was another guy, yeah, that's right, who was much more 333 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: of a big blustery speaker who kind of like had 334 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: some of these same ideas because it was you know, 335 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: people were in revolt. I mean basically they've been screwed 336 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: over by the economy and people were mad as hell, right, 337 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: and so this was a popular movement or type of movement, 338 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: the idea of getting rid of like the money lenders 339 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: or the um the bankers. You know that they were 340 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: like the same with like our recession that we had 341 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, you know, you've got these 342 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: like bear Stearns in your in your Goldman sacks. You know, 343 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: getting these golden parachutes and stuff, and your average working 344 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, folks who lost their houses are not happy 345 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: about it at all. And yeah, and we see that 346 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: same pattern happening today that we saw back then. But 347 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: this guy, Charles Coglin, or Father Coglin, he had some 348 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: of these same ideas. Um, he was a Roman Catholic 349 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: priest from Canada. Actually I think he immigrated from Canada. 350 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: But he used much more charged language that was much 351 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: more on the ant anti Semitic side, and equating the 352 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: money lenders and the idea of people of the Jewish 353 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: faith being the ones that directly caused the depression. Yeah, 354 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: with what we would call now a lot of doll 355 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: whistles stuff. But whereas Lawson was much more like he 356 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily blame people. He blamed the system, right, he 357 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: blamed the system. And you couldn't understand his perspective. Again, 358 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: this is something a lot of self appointed gurus do 359 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: unless you read his understanding of other things. Let's let's 360 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: get into his own version of physics, which he called 361 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: this is why we talked about Terrence Howard at the beginning. 362 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: He called his greater understanding lost sonomy law Sonomy like 363 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: lawson Unomy. Yeah, and a lot of this was already 364 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: in that first book, um, the direct credit for everyone. UM. 365 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: But he took it even further. And and let's do 366 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: a little reading from chapter one of los Sonomy, Volume one, UM, 367 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: just to give you a sense of where we're coming 368 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: from here. Chapter one, los Nomy. This is what los 369 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: nomy is and what it isn't. Losnomy is the knowledge 370 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: of life and everything pertaining there too. Losonomy is based 371 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: upon life as it is, and not upon a theory 372 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: of what it ought to be. Theory as espoused by 373 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: so called wise men or self styled scholars has no 374 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: place in los nomy. Everything must be provable or reasonable, 375 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: or it is not los onomy. Los Onomy treats of 376 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: things as they are, not as they are pretended to be. 377 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: Facts not fancies, Truth not falsity, knowledge not notions is 378 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: the foundation of los onomy. So to me, I'm reading 379 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: this as truth good, false bad, because notice he doesn't 380 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: ever actually explain that. Now that is the introduction. He 381 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: goes on for quite some time about falsity versus truth. 382 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: I believe you can by the way, you read Lossonomy 383 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: for free online if you want a los onomy dot org. 384 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: It's the whole thing, every chapter and I'm glad, I'm 385 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: glad to post it. He's a prolific author. He goes 386 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: into his own version of physics. We mentioned suction and pressure, right, 387 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: He believes that these are the two prime movers of 388 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: the world, the universe, reality, and everything, and that substances 389 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: are things affected by suction pressure. This includes solids, liquids, gases. 390 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: Mentality is also susceptible that he's kind of got his 391 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: own his own vernacular there. And he also is big 392 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: beef with science was that he doesn't believe in energy. Yes, 393 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: we have the quote there is no greater load of 394 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: misconception that science has ever had to shoulder than the 395 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: unprovable theory that somewhere, somehow and in some shape, there 396 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: exists a substance called energy that causes movements. No such 397 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: thing exists anywhere, and science should expunge the fallacy without delay. Yeah, 398 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is he refers to constantly in 399 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: this in this work about how he can't stand it 400 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: when things are unprovable, and yet continuously puts forth all 401 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: of these absurdly unprovable and just flying in the face 402 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: of much more provable scientific research. Um, yeah, so what 403 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: are some of the has been some of his I 404 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: guess we'd say los anomic beliefs. Well, Lisonomy argues for 405 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: a couple of different substances or states that do not 406 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: exist in other forms of accepted science. There's something called 407 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: LISI the list L E S E T H E R. 408 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Is that the stuff that's in space, that's the stuff 409 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: that's on the Earth. It's from the Sun, but it's 410 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: on Earth. It's the stuff that the Earth is made 411 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: of because it's less dense than ether, which is what 412 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: space is made up of. Less less ether. And then 413 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: there's there's something interesting here. His father had attempted for 414 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: some time to build a perpetual motion machine, right, and 415 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: we mentioned a machine that is able to once started 416 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: uh function without losing energy. It's able to perform work 417 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: without losing energy and without taking in new energy. More 418 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: extreme version of that thing you have on your desk 419 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: with the balls where they hit each other and go 420 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: click click, click click. Eventually those dowd run themselves. Something 421 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: something like that that just goes on forever. A wheel 422 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: that always spins and many many people have claimed to 423 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: invent psi fallacy. It's not it's sort of like cold 424 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: fusion or something right right now, as far as we know, 425 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: it is not possible. It violates the laws of known physics. 426 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: But he has Lawson has his own kind of perpetual 427 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: motion machine. It's a state. He calls, help me out 428 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: with pronouncing this x x x poix equavers poise, equaver poise. Yeah, 429 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: And so he says, there are four separate forces that 430 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: have to equalize in order that a formation can balance 431 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: and live, and these are of them. In order uh, 432 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: internal suction that draws in from without, internal pressure that 433 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: pushes out from within, external section that draws out from within, 434 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: external pressure that pushes in from without. Um and x 435 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: squabbra poise is a level that's sought by substances of 436 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: varying density that causes perpetual movement of matter. So that's 437 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: like the stuff of the the universe, right, It's like 438 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: the what causes the universe to be in harmony. Yep, 439 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: suction and pressure. Don't buy all those lies about energy, folks. 440 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: And as people are reading this material, encountering Lawson's beliefs 441 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: and hearing him speak, most of the large crowds are 442 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: people in the Upper Midwest who want to hear about 443 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: direct credit. When the Great Depression draws to a close 444 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: later in the thirties, a lot of these people who 445 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: are part of this big direct credit society movement leave. 446 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: They no longer need this alternative economic perspective. And they 447 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: never really cared too much about his concepts of losnomy 448 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: and pressure and suction and less out there and all 449 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: that stuff. So the crowds start to dwindle, and what 450 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: he has left is a group of followers who are 451 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: hook line and sinker into the concepts the philosophy that 452 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: he has espoused. Beyond just the idea of direct credit. 453 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: They want to study his concepts of the brain of 454 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: the universe, the idea of the male and female dichotomy 455 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: of suction and pressure, the concept of men orgs. We 456 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't even talk about men orgs too much. Man too much. 457 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: Men orgs short for mental organizers, a portmanteau if you will, 458 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: and or a portmanteau if you wish. Maybe we do 459 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: not wish anymore, h And mental organizers are these tiny, 460 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: tiny creatures that are inside your brain, the cells of 461 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: your mental system, and help your body the function in 462 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: a focused way to help your cognition. And then there 463 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: are the disorders. They're the bad guys, the disorganizers, microscopic 464 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: vermin that attempt to destroy for some reason, the mental 465 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: instruments constructed and operated by the men orcs. So his 466 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: actual followers post direct credit society like this. They want 467 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to learn more, right, Yeah, they do so. Yeah, he 468 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: actually starts to college and he's able to purchase an 469 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: abandoned university campus in des Moines. Yeah, and de Moines. 470 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: And he I'm sorry de Moines, I said des Moines, 471 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: and I got roasted for that before. Let me make 472 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: sure I say right, des Moines. So he Yeah, he 473 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: buys this university and wants it to become a center 474 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: of learning, the University of Lisonomy. And his followers join him. 475 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: But the rules of this university differ from those of 476 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: other universities. Cough cough intent accredited cough cough intent university 477 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: cough cough hint and scientology cough cough. Really you need 478 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: a cough even on those cough buttons. You know they 479 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: have those in real, real radio setups. Yeah, we used 480 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: to have h peek behind the scenes here, Casey, you 481 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: remember this too. We used to have a sound maker. 482 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: There's one, but it doesn't have any batteries, does it, 483 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: you know? I mean a button that you push so 484 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: that it mutes your mic so that you can Oh yeah, yeah, 485 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: that's pro stuff. Right. Our friends who work who work 486 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: for MPR, they have those exactly. I checked out their 487 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: set up. I just wanted to use it just to 488 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: feel power. Oh, it does have batteries. That's a good one. 489 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: That's a good one. And it's appropriate because Lawson thought 490 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: he was dropping a bomb on the scientific consensus of 491 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: the time, and students at the University of Losonomy, although 492 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: they were not getting an orthodox education, they were getting 493 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: a rigorous one. Yeah. And the thing too is like 494 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: he outlawed and I don't know if that's the right word, 495 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: but definitely forbade any books to be on campus that 496 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: were not written by he himself. And I mean he 497 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: kept writing these things, so that library probably wasn't massive, 498 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: but you know there there was definitely enough material to 499 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: go around. And a big part of like testing in 500 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: this UH university system was just wrote memorization of Lawson's 501 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: own texts, which is terrible. You would have these different 502 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: exams and you had to recite. As you said, Noel 503 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: had to recite from the books verbatim, and in man 504 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Life with Merle Hayden, you can see that he actually 505 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: experienced this because he is verbatim quoting from these different 506 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: books and they had to do this for a cartoonishly 507 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: long amount of time. After about ten to what twenty 508 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: years of memorization, you would have an interim exam, and 509 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: then after thirty years you have a comprehensive exam and 510 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: if you passed, if you memorize enough of this guy's work, 511 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: you would receive the degree of uh knowledge in Yeah, 512 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Nalegian. Nalegian sounds classier, Yeah, but I 513 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: think um until he passed away, no one held that 514 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: distinction except laws In himself. Yeah, which is little culty obviously, 515 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: and not to mention that this was also a communal 516 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: living situation on a kind of a compound type situation, 517 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: so you know it was it definitely had that that 518 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: CULTI vibe to him. The people of de Moines, We're 519 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: getting creeped out for sure. And the big catch here 520 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: is that only Knowledgians could bestow the degree of knowledge 521 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: and to another person. So if Lawson is the only 522 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: one who has this ability, and he passes away or something, 523 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: then there are techniquely no more people with this degree, 524 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: but they the university bends the rules a little bit 525 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: to get some people appointed or to you know, have 526 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: acquired this degree. At this time, this thing that started 527 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: as an economic theory and later became a kind of 528 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: philosophy is getting closer and closer to something that we 529 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: might call like mysticism or spirituality. But it's also garnering 530 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: attention from the federal government. That's right, because it has 531 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: been around for about ten years. Before there were there 532 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: were some issues in the Senate Small Business Committee. UM 533 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: caught wind of the fact that they had bought these 534 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: machine tools from like war surplus and they actually resold 535 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: them or at least a large umber of them, and 536 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: made a decent amount of money doing that. And this 537 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: is coming from that Wired article that we talked about earlier. 538 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: And he appeared before this committee and Um tried to 539 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: explain to them what losnomy was fact the fact that 540 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: it was based on physics, and then they needed the 541 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: machine to help you know, apply their their craft or whatever, 542 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: like you know, follow their religion or their philosophy and Uh. 543 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: He was very upset when they kind of, you know, 544 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: didn't understand what he was getting at. And Lawson commented 545 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: that this whole thing was quote the damnest thing I've 546 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: ever heard of in all my life. And then one 547 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: of the senators said, quote, I don't know whether we're 548 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: talking about the same thing, but I'm inclined to agree 549 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: with you. Yeah. They seemed mutually befuddled and irritated at 550 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: their inability to communicate. And there was a great Times 551 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: article about it called zig zag and swirl, which is 552 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: another principle loss to which law us and the heirs 553 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he tried to explain that to the senators, 554 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: talking about some zig zag and swirl and uh, I 555 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: don't know. That's that's a very lighthearted moment, because I 556 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: love the idea of both of these guys ardently trying 557 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: to explain this stuff. And investigations continue, but for the 558 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: time being, the University of Losonomy soldiers on. After people 559 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: graduate the university, their story or their journey with Losonomy 560 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: doesn't end. They are offered option for postgraduate work. It's 561 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: called Lisonian religion, and it is made to provide students 562 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: with the highest quote grade of consciousness. Remember when we 563 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: talked about the people who would be different and superior 564 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: to us land lobbers and they would live in the sky. 565 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: This is the way to become that person, according to laws. Yeah, 566 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: and you know, um we we we shouldn't forget to 567 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: This was all happening while Lawson was still alive. Um 568 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: during kind of the rise of Nazism, and Lawson spoke 569 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: out against it pretty regularly. But because of the kind 570 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: of militaristic esque qualities of his organization, much like the 571 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: kind of things we see with like the sea org 572 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: in scientology, right it people it was not a good look. 573 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: People were kind of like a little bit alienated by them, 574 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it was just kind of like a 575 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: little bit weird people out right where they felt maybe 576 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: it was somewhat hypocritical because these people at the time 577 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: also would have been familiar with Lawson's earlier work. The 578 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: Direct Credit Society was a very populous movement, you know, 579 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: and they did have uniforms and dress codes, and the 580 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: university was not so different. Also, Lawson was seen as 581 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: somewhat of a I don't want to see a Tony 582 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: Stark figure, but it was an aviation expert. We didn't 583 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: even talk about the sir culation numbers of his paper 584 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: The Benefactor. Under his time with the Direct Credit Society, 585 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: people were aware of who this guy is, and they 586 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: saw how his positions evolved would be the nice way 587 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: to say it changed would be another way to say 588 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: it over time. They saw how they evolved and changed 589 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: over time. Increasingly his beliefs were becoming difficult to parse 590 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: or obtuse, such that in the modern day now Casey 591 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: and Noel and I are not psychologist or therapist, but 592 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: in the modern day the kind of language he's using 593 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: seems to be increasingly what we would call like word 594 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: salad or disassociative. And there's a marked acceleration in this 595 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: tendency as he ages um. There are hints of this 596 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: all along in his concepts with the Direct Credit Society 597 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: and the layer lessonomy, but as he goes into out 598 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: and out religion, as it goes from an economic theory 599 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: to a philosophy to a religion, is all the stops 600 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: are gone. He's just saying insane stuff, Yeah, like what 601 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: what what do we go do? You? God should launch 602 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: your list of you. We can launch a list of you. Yeah, yeah, 603 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: he went around robin it. Let Okay, God wanted a 604 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: supervising agent to manage the earth and all that it 605 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: contains therein, and so he directed the men Orgs remember them, 606 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: to design and build a super conscious being upon humane 607 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: principles that would be capable of executing such orders and 608 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: performing such duties as he would from time to time. Prescribe. 609 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 1: It was a very crude thing that the men Org's 610 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: first produced, which was designated as Man. But they continue 611 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: to improve him with the view of constantly increasing his 612 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: intelligence and a larging his consciousness until eventually he will 613 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: become acceptable in the sight of God. I like, how 614 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: I even heard you get bored with reading that? Right, 615 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: It's just like what what? What? Well? I I tone 616 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: it down there towards the end because I feel like 617 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: that's how a lot of p well took it when 618 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: they were reading something that ostensibly was going to be 619 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: about physics or science or economic theory. That's the thing, Like, 620 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: all of his stuff is this weird, garbled mishmash of 621 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: different ideas with no real substance there and nothing that's 622 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: it's all just a kind of agglomeration of like pseudo 623 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: scientific ideas and and kind of like bluster and Hey, 624 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: if there's any laws onions out there that are offended 625 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: by this, I'm more than happy to hear your your side, 626 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: um of you know, but I don't know that there 627 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: are any that remained because that film we talked about 628 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: man Life, which by the way, was the name of 629 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: a magazine that that loss and published, not Man's Life, 630 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: Man Life, one word. Um. The guy that was the 631 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: subject of that film, uh, is like ninety three years 632 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: old during the making of the film, and he kind 633 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: of like sticks around as an archivist and he goes 634 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: to this like air shows um in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, where 635 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: he tries to recruit young people into the Lawsonian faith, 636 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: with very little success, it seems like. But his story 637 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: is is really beautiful and he's uh, you know, he 638 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: he does live to be you know, close to a 639 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: hundred and he follows all of the tenants of and 640 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: he eats raw food and you know, he's got like 641 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: he really you know, lives his life by this code, 642 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: which is really interesting to see. Um. But there there's 643 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of the story. Lawson's legal 644 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: troubles do not end at the whole affair with the 645 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: you know, the machines or whatever. UM. He actually they 646 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: get their nonprofit status revoked and I think he owes 647 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of a decade's worth of back taxes 648 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: because it was retroactive, right. So that pretty much bankrupted 649 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: the organization and they had to sell off the university 650 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: campus they had and they moved to another kind of 651 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: farm type campus in where was it ben It was 652 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,479 Speaker 1: somewhere in Minnesota, and you're rac seeing Racine County, which 653 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: is on Interstate ninety four, very very well traveled stretch 654 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: of interstate between UM like Chicago Andlwaukee. You can read uh, 655 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: you can read a cool article about it on Milwaukee 656 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: dot com, which is where we by by Greg Hoffman, 657 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: which is where we found the description of the university 658 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: after it moved. And one of the features of one 659 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: of those buildings was a big gray barn that says 660 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: study natural law on the outside of it. UM and 661 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: I believe the campus is still there today. You can 662 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: there's a video on this Wired article where a guy 663 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: just kind of wanders around and it looks like everything's locked, 664 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's owned by a trust that's still 665 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: is tied to the idea of of Wessonians. But it Yeah, 666 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: and he himself laws in passed away two years after 667 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: they got this new campus, and after he kind of 668 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: was shamed, you know, for being a bit of a 669 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: tax fraud um. And you know, over the after his 670 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: deft repassed, the numbers just dwindled. They were never like 671 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: that massive. To begin with, the direct credit movement was 672 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: much more successful than the Lawsonian movement because of its 673 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: tied to the Great Depression. H and then you know 674 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: it's sort of dwindled from thousands of members to maybe 675 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: just a couple of hundred, and then you know, eventually 676 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: eventually to merle Now there are some other people involved. Well, 677 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: we'll get to them in just a second. But yes, 678 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: it is true. Alfred Lawson died on November, meaning that 679 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: one reason or another, he did die before he was 680 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: two hundred years old. And you're right that it did 681 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: quickly diminish the following that was already much smaller than 682 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: Direct Credit. However, there are reports of one last lawsonomic 683 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: institution out in Kansas. Did you read about now? Why 684 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: did not? So? In the Journal Times there is a 685 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 1: report from two thousand and one of a church of Hosonomy, 686 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: and this church still remains there in Kansas and Mount Pleasant. 687 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: The officiator and UH, one of the Lawsonians who still 688 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: live in the area, say that they find this personally meaningful. 689 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: It has five buildings, including a church, a farmhouse, and 690 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: a dormitory, but only the two story dormitory is used today. 691 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: Only one guy lives on campus is the Caretaker's name 692 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: is Gary Turner. All these people are pretty elderly at 693 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,280 Speaker 1: this point, and they have a dilapidated headquarters with tons 694 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: of books and collections of literature. And one of the 695 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: big things is that people the remaining Lawsonians want younger 696 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: people to join the movement of religion, but just like 697 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: Merle Haydn, they are not reaching many people. They're not 698 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: convincing anyone. So if this religion dies, and I tried 699 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: to find more about this, if this religion does die, 700 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: then unless some company buys the property, it is going 701 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: to be the property of Kansas. The very last update 702 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: I found was also by the Journal Times. Ricardo Torres 703 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: rights that fox Con just bought an unusual piece of 704 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: Wisconsin history. So as far as we could see, the company, 705 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: fox Con Technology Group bought the land. The Mount Pleasant 706 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: owned for over nine thousand dollars. So these people may 707 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: be aging, the group may be aging, but financially they're 708 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: not hurting anymore. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't hear about that. 709 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: That's cool. So we don't know what happens the story continues. 710 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a weird one man, and this is 711 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: this is a tough one to to get through. And 712 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: then there's a lot of stuff we've had to leave out. 713 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,959 Speaker 1: But I can't recommend highly enough this documentary. It's called 714 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,919 Speaker 1: man Life, The Last of the Less Audience. You can 715 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: also find some cool audio stuff on YouTube about this. 716 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: But again I'll post this on our page Ridiculous Historians. 717 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: You can read these books, a lot of them in 718 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: full online as far as I can find. Most of 719 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: them are out of print in a physical edition, so 720 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: it might be tougher to get there, but you can 721 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: read PDFs and I don't know. I encourage check it 722 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: out and if you if you have an understanding of 723 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: what exactly what they're talking about, especially when it gets 724 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: the physics and the nature of interaction of elements and substances, 725 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: feel free to write us an email and break it 726 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: down because I'm gonna be honest, I read it. I 727 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: don't get it, don't They don't quite understand, you know. 728 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a tough one. It's a bit 729 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: of a it's a bit hard to swall, a bit 730 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: of teriology precursor. Maybe we should do that. Maybe we 731 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: should make up our you, me, and everybody listening. Maybe 732 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: we should make up our own personal philosophies and we 733 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: name them after themselves. Just call it, you know, a 734 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: code that you live by yourself. We don't have to 735 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: make other people do it. Yeah, that's the thing that 736 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: seems a little bit imperialistic about it, you know what 737 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean? And also I believe that people should have 738 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: self confidence. But it feels weird to name things like 739 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: that after yourself, you know what I mean? Oh, I 740 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: do know what you mean. And I do want to 741 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: end with with one last quote from Lawson himself that 742 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: sums this whole thing up. Go for it. To try 743 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: to write a sketch of the life and works of 744 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: Alfred W. Lawson in a few pages is like trying 745 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,839 Speaker 1: to restrict space itself. Oh my god, we didn't even 746 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: talk about how he writes. The third person under assumed 747 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: names py Q fons. All right, well again, maybe we'll 748 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: have to revisit this one. Had a good time. I 749 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: did too. This also reminds me a little bit of 750 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,879 Speaker 1: time cube, of a less angry version of time cube. 751 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: You know what that is? Right? I do not? Are 752 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: you serious, man? Okay, time cube? This? You know this? 753 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 1: We're being such a one more thing is a guy 754 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: who believes that the Earth encounters. You will hear me 755 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: turning my computer around to show this to knowl who 756 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: believes that the Earth encounters for simultaneous days and that 757 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: it's moving through a cube of space and time. And 758 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: his entire website is just this. I can post it. 759 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: He made an appearance at Georgia Tech, one of our 760 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 1: local learning centers, a while back, and I felt really bad. 761 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: I think he's unwell. He has a very unique and 762 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,399 Speaker 1: distinct understanding of the nature of reality. And there are 763 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: more and more people like this, you know. We Sometimes 764 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: we call him eccentric. Sometimes we call them visionaries. Don't 765 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: know what the difference is, but we would like to 766 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: hear from you. Thank you so much for checking out 767 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: the show. Thanks to Casey Pegram, our super producer, and Noel. 768 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: Thanks to you, You're welcome then. Thanks also to Alex Williams, 769 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,919 Speaker 1: who composed our theme, and to our amazing researcher, Eve's 770 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Coates, who worked on this episode. Be sure to 771 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,879 Speaker 1: join us on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. You can see 772 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,240 Speaker 1: all sorts of Shenanigan re there. And we cannot highly 773 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,479 Speaker 1: enough recommend our community page, Ridiculous Historians. If you want 774 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: to read about uh sodomy, then I've got you. I'll 775 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: post up some PDFs on the page and I would 776 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: love to hear what you think. If if this somehow 777 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: makes sense to someone, let us know, because we were. 778 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 1: We were adrift in some very high minded concepts today, 779 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: but luckily we made it back to Earth. And that 780 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,240 Speaker 1: is the strange story of the inventor of the airline. 781 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: See you next time. Books