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Speaker 1: Hey Handlers, Emily a body here with episode eighty four

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Speaker 1: of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: to top CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten through

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Speaker 1: tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning in to wellness. Today,

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Speaker 1: I am really amped to bring you my conversation with

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Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. His name is Brendan Dunn.

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Speaker 1: He is a deputy editor at Complex. Before we get

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Speaker 1: All right, mister Brendan done, And I'm gonna be honest here.

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Speaker 1: I selfishly really just wanted to record this episode with

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Speaker 1: Brendan because I love spending time with him. We met

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Speaker 1: about five five years ago, was on a group run

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Speaker 1: that was organized by Nike, and he really is just

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Speaker 1: one of the kindest guys I know and someone that

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Speaker 1: I'm honored to call a good friend. In today's episode,

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Speaker 1: he offers up a lot of insight into the hard

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Speaker 1: work it took him to get to where he is

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Speaker 1: today in his career, as well as the dedication it

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Speaker 1: took for him to get to where he is as

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Speaker 1: a runner. We talk about how cool that is, right,

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Speaker 1: just the idea that we can call ourselves runners. Brendan

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Speaker 1: in this episode recaps his first marathon, which was Chicago

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Speaker 1: this year, and just how the sport of running has

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Speaker 1: learned the importance and the value of completely dedicating himself

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Speaker 1: to any given goal or a task, and how special

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Speaker 1: it is to see something all the way through.

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Speaker 2: Oh and one other note.

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Speaker 1: At one point, I do reference that I thought that

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Speaker 1: my splits for Chicago or seven forty six miles. Disclaimer,

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately my time was like a seven fifty

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Speaker 2: So not trying to get the facts wrong here.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know the drill when it comes to interacting with

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Speaker 1: me at Hurdle Podcast at Emilia Body, I am absolutely

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Speaker 1: loving that as an understatement the videos of you guys

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Speaker 1: lasen up using the hashtag the lace up. It's fun

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Speaker 1: to see us all inspiring one another to get out

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Speaker 1: shout out to my good friend Kenny Santucci. He's a

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Speaker 1: a hurdle moment of your own to share, you just

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Speaker 1: on email. It's Emily at hurdle dot us. And a happy,

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Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. You know how grateful

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Speaker 1: I am to have you guys in my little corner

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Speaker 1: of the interwebs. I hope that the holiday brings you

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Speaker 2: Today. I'm sitting down with Brendan Dunn.

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Speaker 1: He's the deputy editor at Complex dot com and co

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Speaker 1: host of Full Size Run show.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's me, what's up? How are you? Emily?

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Speaker 1: You know, this might be the first time I've sat

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Speaker 3: Really, that's that's incredibly flattering. That's incredibly flattering. I've been

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Speaker 2: So full disclosure, I've known Brendan for some time now.

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Speaker 2: How many years do you think valid question? Maybe four

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been a fitness journalist probably for seven years, okay,

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Speaker 3: I've been sneaker after that for about the same time,

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Speaker 3: but our past didn't cross immediately. But yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I stuck of time. Yes, we've done a

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've been to different corners of the world. Have

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Speaker 2: I don't believe. So.

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Speaker 1: I think all of my press trips that have taken

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Speaker 3: Got you, So those are important, They are important. Those

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Speaker 1: Basically, what I'm getting at is, ideally you guys will

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling it right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So, uh, Brandon, where are you from?

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Speaker 3: This is a difficult question because you know, it's kind

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Speaker 3: I'm originally from Oregon. I was born in Astoria, Oregon.

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Speaker 3: If someone asked me at a party, I'll just say

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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to start answering questions as though

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, if you want to save time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely an efficient way to move through life.

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Speaker 2: Growing up. Were tell me about life growing up?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Which part? The whole? The whole thing, because we

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Speaker 2: No, Well, talk to me about like growing up. So

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yep. I grew up with my mother and

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Speaker 1: Busy Yeah, kind of like what is like for you

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, frantic that that's very much a through line. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, I keep myself very active, even though

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Speaker 3: It just seems like what I need to do or

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Speaker 2: I feel that.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about what you do now so we

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Speaker 2: So what do you do at Complex?

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Speaker 3: So I'm a deputy editor at Complex right now. I

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Speaker 3: No, it happened very gradually too, so it wasn't It

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Speaker 1: So fain well, I mean, let's just tell the hurdlers

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Speaker 1: what's up. There is someone in the universe that has

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Speaker 1: a Brendan Dunn tattoo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And again I'm glad you laughed. Not because

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Speaker 2: That's last thing I expected you to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's really on the high Like after that,

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Speaker 1: And the most you've ever played for sneakers is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that happened in college. I think it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's pretty admirable because a lot

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Speaker 3: The time, I mean, they gave me. I don't want

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Speaker 3: mentioned before you ming John Kim, Aaron k r. That

438
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Speaker 3: was that was huge for me, especially being so far

439
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Speaker 3: away from you know, they were based in New York

440
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: and well, I went to the University of Oregon and

441
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 3: that's a very important school with respect to the history

442
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 3: of sneakers and Nike, you know, which has its roots there.

443
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: It still felt like I was far away from the industry,

444
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: even though like he headquarters in Beaverton in Portland was,

445
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, a couple hours north. I still felt so

446
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: removed from all that. So to have this team put

447
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 3: me in the industry and have some trust in me,

448
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: it felt like a lot. It felt like if it

449
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 3: was a big moment.

450
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Speaker 1: Do you're a guy that likes writing about sneakers but

451
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily in the conventional athletic sneaker.

452
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Speaker 3: Sense, Yeah, I would say not at all. And that like,

453
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Speaker 3: like I said, like how I got into it. You know,

454
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people were first interested at sneakers because

455
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: of sports. Again, that wasn't me. And the same thing

456
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Speaker 3: in college, like when I was really spending a lot

457
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Speaker 3: of money on sneakers or really really putting myself in

458
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Speaker 3: that world, it was like I wasn't doing any of

459
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Speaker 3: the associated activities. You know. Again, despite being at the

460
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Speaker 3: University of Oregon, where you know, where everybody, well not everybody,

461
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: but where so many people who are important to Nike

462
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 3: came from Bill Bowerman, Phil Knight, Tinker Hatfield, I wasn't

463
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: running you know what I mean. My dorm freshman year

464
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: was across the street, literally across the street from Hayward Field,

465
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 3: where Bill Bouerman coached Phil Knight. You know, that's hallow

466
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Speaker 3: ground in terms of sneakers, in terms of Nike, in

467
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: terms of the University of organ I was not invested

468
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Speaker 3: in that at all, or like I really in college,

469
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Speaker 3: my level of physical activity was probably limited to the

470
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Speaker 3: few pe type courses that I took, mostly as a joke.

471
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Speaker 3: I took fencing. I took a fencing class. The University

472
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: of Oregan is a quarter system, so it's ten weeks

473
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Speaker 3: per quarter. Actually dropped out of my fencing class seven

474
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Speaker 3: weeks in because I was too embarrassed to carry on. Basically,

475
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Speaker 3: I'm left handed, and it was such a pain because

476
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 3: the instructor would go through the drills for the whole class,

477
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Speaker 3: and then at the end of it he would go, now,

478
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Speaker 3: of course, if you're left handed, this is all reversed

479
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: and kind of looked down to me at the end

480
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Speaker 3: of the line. And it was such a pain and

481
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Speaker 3: I wasn't it wasn't really enjoying it. So I quit

482
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Speaker 3: that seven weeks in. You know, three weeks shy of

483
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Speaker 3: completing the course. I don't know how much of it

484
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Speaker 3: I retained now I think also I took a ping

485
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Speaker 3: pong course. I skipped ping pong one, went straight to

486
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Speaker 3: ping pong two. That was not advised. No, it was

487
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: not because of my skill at all. You know. I

488
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Speaker 3: think now I'm decent, and now I could hold my

489
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Speaker 3: own in ping pong two. But the teacher of that

490
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: course also a bit of an asshole. He referred to

491
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Speaker 3: me as Lefty the whole time, you know, and he

492
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: was constantly mocking my complete and total lack of skills,

493
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Speaker 3: you know, wondering why I hadn't just gone to ping

494
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Speaker 3: pong one in the first place. And so so that

495
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Speaker 3: really those things I did finish that one, though I did.

496
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Speaker 3: I did stick it out in ping pong two, so

497
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Speaker 3: I wasn't a quitter there. But yeah, other than that,

498
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Speaker 3: my my amount of physical activity was really limited in college.

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Speaker 1: Got minimal physical activity, yes, minimal physical activity.

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Speaker 3: Maximal like eating Chinese food from Safeway.

501
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Speaker 1: I actually would really like to eat some Chinese food,

502
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Speaker 1: but not from Safeway.

503
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Speaker 2: I haven't had Chinese food in a very long time.

504
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Speaker 3: A big hack I had back in the day actually

505
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: the Chinese food from Safeway was that I knew exactly

506
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: when they would put it on sale because it'd been

507
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: sitting under a heat lamp all day. So at like

508
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: five PM, I would walk to the Safeway that was

509
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: about two blocks from my college house in Eugene in Oregon,

510
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Speaker 3: and I would get it for you know, four dollars

511
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: or five dollars incredibly discounted rate and enjoy some crusty

512
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: low Maine back on my couch and.

513
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Speaker 1: Not entirely mad about that, because that's like I can

514
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Speaker 1: tell you we're the best French fries in like the

515
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Speaker 1: Fairfield County, Connecticut area are because I used to be

516
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Speaker 1: obsessed with French fries and they happened to be at

517
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Speaker 1: the Maritime Aquarium in Okay.

518
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Speaker 3: Would they put them on sale or anything like it a.

519
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Speaker 1: Super deal overpriced, like you're getting something delicious and worth

520
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Speaker 1: the investment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you. A similar deal that I really

522
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: enjoyed as an adolescent was where I grew up in Idaho,

523
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: on the edge of town. There was this one gas

524
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: station that was right by this bridge right before you

525
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: left town, and we figured out that they would put

526
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: all the food again under the heat lamp, like the

527
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: deli food, the jalapinio poppers and the chicken fingers and

528
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: the corn dogs and things like that. Right at six pm,

529
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: they would put all on sale and you get each

530
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: item for twenty five cents. So you would walk in

531
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: there with two dollars and you would eat like a

532
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: king because you would have every like, you know, a

533
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Speaker 3: tepid piece of fried food you could ask for.

534
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Speaker 2: What else could you ask for?

535
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe? Yeah, yeah it was yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So not active in college.

537
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Speaker 3: But we're not talking about the food I ate anymore.

538
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah we're not. We're not there anymore. But I mean

539
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: we cross paths when you do become active.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because because I became active even like eventually being

541
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Speaker 3: in the sneaker world. So out of college, I moved

542
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Speaker 3: to New York right after I graduated to become a

543
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: full time part of the team at Sneaker News. I

544
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: worked there for a number of years before eventually joining

545
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: Complex and Soul Collector, which is a subsidiary of Complex,

546
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: And through through those outlets, I start doing a lot

547
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: of press events. And that's how you and I met,

548
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: because I assume we met at a Nike event, right

549
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: like Bosth. Of the times we see each other, it's

550
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: at a Nike.

551
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: Event, probably something like that.

552
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Speaker 1: I think we've definitely interacted in a capacity that also

553
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Speaker 1: involves Rebok and Asex.

554
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Speaker 3: Probably Adidas too. I'm sure I've seen you at some

555
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: Adidas part.

556
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just you know, in the circle.

557
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the mix, but definitely in the mix in

558
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Speaker 1: an active way.

559
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, definitely. And this is probably like the part

560
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Speaker 3: of it is going to sound like a giant Nike commercial,

561
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Speaker 3: and I apologize to anyone listening for that, but I

562
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: do genuinely appreciate like the extent to which they've pushed

563
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: me towards physical activity and how many people I've met

564
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: through Nike, yourself included, who have made physical activity or

565
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: regular EXE a more constant part of my life, you

566
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

567
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: Collectivity a daily habit.

568
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's almost daily for me.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to it.

589
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Speaker 1: So talk to me about what it was like for

590
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: you at first when you started, because we're talking physical

591
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: activity as a whole, but really we're talking running. So

592
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: talk to me about kind of the barriers to entry

593
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: for you when you started running, What was going on

594
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: in your life when you started running, and how that

595
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: kind of played.

596
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: Out for you.

597
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, the funny thing I think before I ever

598
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: started running with Nike or you know, at the urging

599
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: of a brand, was a woman I was dating at

600
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: the time was super into running, and she was training

601
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: for marathons and half marathons and things like that. And

602
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: so we would go running and she would just try

603
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: and get me to run, like, at first, even a mile,

604
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: and I remember the pain of running a mile. You know,

605
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: this is probably twenty and thirteen or maybe twenty fourteen.

606
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: And then eventually it was like, well, can you run

607
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: two miles? Can you run a loop around Prospect Park

608
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: which is three point three miles? And to me that

609
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: was that was the real goal at the time, was

610
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: like running a loop around Prospect Park that that path

611
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: on the inside, which is three point three miles. Around

612
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: that time, I eventually started doing Nike running programs, you

613
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: know the stuff they used to do out of forty

614
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: five Grand Street, a studio Nike had downtown here in

615
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: New York. The Fastest Mile, Well did you do that

616
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: for the fast the Fastest mile program was a good time.

617
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Speaker 3: Oh so many. I mean we went out to Eugene.

618
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Speaker 1: When you first started running with the woman that you

619
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Speaker 1: were dating at the time, was it hard for you

620
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: to get over this idea that she was just so

621
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Speaker 1: much better out it than you?

622
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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't look at it quite like that,

623
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Speaker 3: I don't think, because I think it was more selfish almost,

624
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: and more like I can't do this thing. It wasn't

625
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: like a gap between I mean, there was a gap

626
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: between us obviously in how much we could run or

627
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: how active we were at the time, but it was

628
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: more like I was more focused on what I couldn't

629
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Speaker 3: do than what she could do. That sounds selfish, but

630
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Speaker 3: it was. It was more about, damn, why can't I

631
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Speaker 3: just do one mile? Yeah? Or after that two miles,

632
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: three point three miles, you know what I mean?

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

634
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: And when you started running, because you did make reference

635
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Speaker 1: to the Fastest Mile Program, which was essentially what I

636
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: think was maybe an eight or ten week program that

637
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: I Folkes at Nike put together where they encouraged different

638
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: journalist members of the media to train to learn how

639
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: fast they could run a mile. So before that time,

640
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: had you even considered or experimented with what speed meant

641
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: for you and your running?

642
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. I think the only real experience I

643
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: had with that was I believe in seventh grade we

644
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: had to run a mile. It was said to say

645
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: thing for you growing up.

646
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the physical fit.

647
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: There's like a proper national president the presidential physical thing.

648
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: Really was it the president who urged us to do

649
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: it at the time?

650
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: Is it think the president?

651
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: We have George W. Bush to blame, But I'm just.

652
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: Saying, like I think it was called the presidential physical fitness.

653
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: Okay, we're not sure which president, but something.

654
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Speaker 2: That made you feel inferior.

655
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, all.

656
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: These benchmarks and if you didn't hit them, then you

657
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: like failed.

658
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I really hadn't run with the idea of timing

659
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: something since then, So that's a gap of you know,

660
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: at least ten years, you know, probably twelve years. You know.

661
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: A funny story actually, even going back to the level

662
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: of my physical activity in high school, was that in

663
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: high school I was worried about getting my PE credits

664
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: to graduate, and you needed two PE credits and you

665
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: could you could play sports, and every season of sports

666
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: you played was worth half of credit. So if you

667
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: played sports all four years in high school, you would

668
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: satisfy your pee requirement. So it was getting towards the

669
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: end of my my time in high school. This is

670
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: to go back again two thousand and five or you know,

671
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: I graduated two thousand and seven. But I was getting

672
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: worried about I promise the story is relevant. I was

673
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: getting worried about how to satisfy these requirements. And I thought, oh,

674
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: maybe I could join the tennis team. I don't know,

675
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: some easy team to join that doesn't require you know, tennis,

676
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: wasn't it. I can't play tennis then or now the

677
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: clock's taking it's my senior year, Okay. I figure out

678
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: one way to do it is to take a college

679
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: yoga course. I respect that because I didn't want to

680
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: do any of the real like sweaty, sporty in the

681
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: gym type stuff that was happening in actual high school.

682
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: I actually think there was a class called life Sports

683
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: that was a total alternative to that that I still

684
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: strayed away from. But through North Idaho College, I had

685
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: a satellite campus and the small town in Idaho that

686
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: I lived in, and I was able to take a

687
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: college yoga course. So that was one of my credits

688
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: out of the way. The other credit I still didn't

689
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: know what to do. And again, this is my senior

690
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: year and the months are falling off the calendar and

691
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out of plan. So I signed

692
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 3: up for an online jogging course. I know it sounds absurd,

693
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: but it's true. What's more absurd than me signing up

694
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: for the courses that I never actually completed it and

695
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: there was nobody There was no proctor, there was nobody

696
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: overseeing this. All I really had to do was like

697
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: chill out a log each week and write some assignments

698
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: and submit them online or whatever. I didn't do it.

699
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: You know, we paid the money for it. I didn't

700
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: do it. So again, there are so few months left

701
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: before I'm supposed to graduate, where I have to figure

702
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: out how to get this other PE credit. You know,

703
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: I've wasted the money on the online jogging course. I

704
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: got the yoga thing out of the way. I'm feeling

705
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 3: limber or whatever whatever, but I'm only halfway there. So

706
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: my mom, God bless her, she was a counselor in

707
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: another school in the district, and she said, this is

708
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. I am going to become your

709
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: quote unquote instructor for a quote unquote at home homeschooled

710
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: PE course of jogging or another one of yoga. It

711
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: was either jogging or yoga. But she said, just write

712
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: an essay about what you learned in this make belief

713
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: course that we had at home in this time together,

714
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: of this physical activity. I will submit to paperwork. You

715
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: will get your credit. And by that means I was

716
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: able to graduate high school.

717
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: So I would pay money.

718
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: To see the I wow, I don't know if anybody

719
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: would have it. I really, I don't know. You know

720
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: who knows.

721
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 2: It's probably handwritten how.

722
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: Much those documents exist now. But that's yeah, that's that's

723
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: how a verse I was to this stuff in high school. Right.

724
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: So, but now we're old and we're running fast.

725
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, many decades later, no, or a decade in it.

726
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what was that like for you?

727
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to really recall those early days.

728
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: Like I think oftentimes I'm just a quitter when it

729
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: comes to that stuff. So it was like, wow, I

730
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: have to I have to really learn to finish these things.

731
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: Whether again, this is Nike's Fastest Mile program, where, like

732
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: you said, it was eight or ten weeks and the

733
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: goal at the end of it is to set a

734
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: pr and a mile. I mean, I didn't really have

735
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: a pr at the time, but I had a time.

736
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: I was aiming for a six minute mile, which seemed

737
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: doable but also difficult. And every week with the drills

738
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: or the practices we had to do, it was just like,

739
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: I just have to finish these things. That was a

740
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: tough thing for me. Not not the starting of it,

741
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: or like the waking up early or the spending the

742
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: extra time. It was just like when you are ninety

743
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: percent of the way through an exercise or through something

744
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: that Joe Holder, you know, a Nike Master trainer who

745
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: I know and love, and I think you can say

746
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: the same, is telling you to do and you're just like,

747
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: all I want to do is not do this thing?

748
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: How can this thing possibly help me in the long run?

749
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: All I am is in pain right now? You know,

750
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: Joe Holder telling me and my hips are too tight

751
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: or you know whatever, just telling me I have to

752
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: run a little bit further. Yeah, it was just like that,

753
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: That's what it was. It was how can I how

754
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 3: can I find the strength to complete these things every

755
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: every week? Again, this is a small level. We're talking

756
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: about training to run a mile, So I don't want

757
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: anybody to hear this and think like, oh, he's complaining

758
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: so much about you know, this training thing. Yes it was.

759
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: It was not, in retrospect very hard or very intense,

760
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: but at the time it felt like it. Or for me,

761
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: you know, based on how much physical exercise I'd done

762
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: for the ten years prior, it seemed like a lot.

763
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that's interpretive, right, Like when

764
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: I started running every day one summer, I ran a

765
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: half mile.

766
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was a mile.

767
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: I did it every day, and it sucked every day

768
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: those like fourteen minutes and twenty seconds that it took.

769
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: Yes, was awful, Yes, but that was awful.

770
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: And like I deemed it to be difficult obviously, like

771
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: someone else is going to go out there and cruise

772
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: through that mile and then be like, let's go do

773
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: something else, Right, I didn't feel that way.

774
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Right, So everybody's not even close. Everybody's different.

775
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: So you, through this exercise, though, learn a little bit

776
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: about the importance of sticking with something and seeing it through.

777
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that and please correct me if I'm wrong.

778
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: That that kind of starts to apply to maybe some

779
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: other things you have gone on in your life.

780
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did, And I think part of it was

781
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: just like that idea of finishing things or really like

782
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: being able to stay strong to the duration of a

783
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: task or the duration of a program, or you know,

784
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: like finding a way to be disciplined. That's kind of

785
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: always been the excuse I give myself when I when

786
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: I dedicate myself to these pursuits. Is just like even

787
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: if I don't maybe you know, maybe it's too much

788
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: of a back door to not hit goals. But I'm

789
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: always like, this to me is about an exercise and discipline.

790
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: It's about being there every week, or it's about dedicating

791
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: your time to it, even if you don't hear again,

792
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like realizing now, like, oh, maybe I

793
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: need to rethink that, because maybe that's why I don't

794
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: always hit my goals. You know. Going back to this

795
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: fastest mile thing. The goal I had set for myself

796
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: was six minutes, and I ran a mile in six

797
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: minutes and seven seconds. But then a year later I

798
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: finally returned to it and I was like, I know

799
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: I can do this, and I had my brother past

800
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: me out and I did like five point fifty two

801
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: or something like that, and finally finally achieved that. But yeah,

802
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: I think part of what it did for me was

803
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: helped me really have an eye toward discipline or have

804
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: a hunger for that.

805
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680
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831
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Speaker 1: my marathon, my mile PR is also six oh seven,

832
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Speaker 1: although yours.

833
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: Is five point fifty two.

834
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 3: Did you set it?

835
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: No?

836
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: I said it so the fastest mile. I think my

837
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: mile pr was six twenty one.

838
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: And this was what year did they do that program?

839
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Man? I want to say it was like four years ago.

840
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about right.

841
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: And this year I set a six oh seven in

842
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Mile.

843
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Beautiful.

844
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: But from this program and the discipline you learned, obviously

845
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: that's something that inspired you to keep running, to keep

846
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: moving and do some other stuff. I mean, just the

847
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: simple sentence, a simple scenario you just presented. Like a

848
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: year later, I had my brother pace me to run

849
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: another mile the Brandon three years before the fastest mile

850
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: experiment wouldn't have been like, you know, what we should

851
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: do tomorrow, we should pace another mile?

852
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: Not at all, Yeah, not at all. And it was

853
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: funny because it just kind of naturally ratcheted up from

854
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: there where It's like we started at one mile and

855
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, again at the time that seemed quite difficult

856
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: or it seemed like a long distance to try and

857
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: push myself for that pace now so much more manageable.

858
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: But from there I started doing random five k's and

859
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: things like that. I think the next thing that I

860
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: really trained for was Hood to Coast, which is a

861
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety nine mile relay race in Oregon.

862
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: So there was a very emotional thing for me too,

863
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: because you know, being back where I am quote unquote

864
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: from depending on how we want to look at it.

865
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: And I think we did that again with Nike. Like

866
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: I said, I Nike is not paying me for this,

867
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: but I do so much appreciate all the support they've

868
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: given me and all the things they've introduced me to

869
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: and how much they've turned me into a runner. And

870
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 3: I do owe a lot to that. Well, I don't

871
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: owe a lot to them. Niki is not paying me

872
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: for that, but I'm appreciative for that. So we did

873
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: Hood to Coast. I think that was in two thousand

874
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: and it's two years ago, twenty seventeen. Yeap. That was.

875
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: That was like the next thing where you know, like

876
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: I was running pretty regularly between those programs, but that

877
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: was the next thing where it was like a prolonged

878
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: training period, and it was it was so much more serious.

879
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: It was not you know, a mile is it's over

880
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: in six minutes hopefully in my case six or seven.

881
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: But the Hood to Coast thing, again, this is a

882
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: one hundred ninety an hole relay race. You have a

883
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: big team of twelve people and you are embarking on

884
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: this journey for thirty hours or so of running for

885
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: five miles and then sleeping for a little bit, and

886
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: then getting back up and running for another seven miles

887
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: and sleeping for a bit and then running for five

888
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: more miles to put all these things together. So that

889
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: was the next time that I had like a program

890
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: where every week I was supposed to spend x amount

891
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: of time doing this and figuring out how to run

892
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: hills properly and things like that. So yeah, and then

893
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: half marathons and then am I getting am I getting

894
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 3: ahead of it, dadding or now you're not getting ahead?

895
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: So what I think two things to highlight.

896
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: First of all, I love that you said the sentence

897
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: I have them to think that I am a runner.

898
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: I think still like I'm recording.

899
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: A podcast tomorrow night with like that as a complete

900
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: podcast for runners yea, And they asked me to be

901
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: on it. And I was getting ready this morning thinking

902
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: about the things that I want to highlight there tomorrow.

903
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: And despite being a certified run coach and an eight

904
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: time marathoner, I still want sometimes eight time, eight time,

905
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: I get to say eight Now it's kind of fun

906
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: when I say it like that, though, I still like,

907
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: don't I have imposter syndrome?

908
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: No matter what? You know what I mean? So I

909
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: love that you just so you just like I'm a runner,

910
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 2: That's what I am.

911
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: I finally I'm finally embracing that. I feel like now

912
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: that you know it's been a number of years, you

913
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: know a lot of it too, is like you have

914
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: the vocab of it right, like you know, like splits

915
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: are and you know you can talk about your pr

916
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: and you can maybe go home and see some metals

917
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: on it. So you need some real context yeah, you need,

918
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: you need, you need to collect things. Maybe it's kind

919
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: of the same again me collecting things. You know, before

920
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: it was sneakers. Now it's all this knowledge and stuff

921
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: about what I can do to actually consider myself a runner,

922
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: and I think I'm there now.

923
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: I like that I'm going to start also believing that.

924
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: For me or for you. Okay, you know, come.

925
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: On, I no, no, I'm here here.

926
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I don't want the hurdlers to think that, like, I

927
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: don't understand that I have earned the dinner. And I

928
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: still felt, I still feel some days that I'm like, Wow,

929
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that I'm this person, you know,

930
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: and we've gotten to this place. I want to, with

931
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: respect to our time, also segue a little bit into

932
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: something else I want to highlight, which was that you

933
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: were saying that you were really proud that you stuck

934
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: with something, and it wasn't so much about the amount

935
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: of time that you completed that original fastest smile in

936
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: as much as it was that you were proud that

937
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: you did it. With relevance to your recently completed first marathon.

938
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: I did it.

939
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: You did it the Chicago Marathon, and you went into

940
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: this marathon and we were. We were in Chicago together,

941
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: you went into this marathon. I also feel like I

942
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: need to like give a little context to the sentences

943
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: that we.

944
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Say, like so colloquially, like we were in these places together.

945
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: Because I think for the normal person, it's like, oh,

946
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: so you guys booked a trip and you went to

947
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Chicago together. We both went to run Chicago. We happened

948
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: to be there at the same time. I think the

949
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: industry that we are in, we keep like throwing out

950
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: all these events and these things that we go do.

951
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: We're very fortunate that we get to develop these friendships

952
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: and relationships with people and then in turn like travel

953
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: too similar places.

954
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just go, You just go somewhere and you're like, oh,

955
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: you're here, beautiful.

956
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: I think it's funny.

957
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: I think it's funny because I'm like, yeah, we went

958
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: to Chicago, and it's like, oh, so you guys booked

959
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: a trip and like we say, and like what you say, we.

960
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: Were in Chicago together. We both ran the marathon.

961
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: And I know, going into Chicago you had like a

962
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: very like serious goal for yourself despite it being your

963
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: first marathon, which is an ill advice thing for a

964
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: first time marathon or two.

965
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Have I'm glad I know that now, Emily, you do.

966
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: Why are we talking about my marathon Timeit stop? Why

967
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: are we talking about my marathon time and not your marathons?

968
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: I want to talk about because this Okay, before we go.

969
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: On the record, okay, before we go on the record

970
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: with my marathon time or my you know journey in

971
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: the marathon, can we please at least mention your marathon time.

972
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: My marathon time is three twenty eighth eight beautiful. I

973
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: can't drop the mic because of our current setup, but

974
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: if I could drop it in that.

975
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: That would be an appropriate place. Okay, as long as

976
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: we get that out the way, because I don't want

977
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: to sit you're talking about my you know, marathon time

978
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: if we do not at least acknowledge.

979
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: You're very sweet. So we go into the corral korl E.

980
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: And we're getting ready to start the marathon, and you

981
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: are you're actually.

982
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm asking you a million questions about what the protocol

983
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: is because a marathon, to me, is so complicated. And again,

984
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: I live a privileged life with respect to these races,

985
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: because I always have someone at Nike telling me what

986
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: to do and where to go and how to act generally.

987
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: So that's part of my thing with running too, is

988
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: that it's been so much a community thing for me,

989
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: despite me, despite the actual act of running being so

990
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: much a solo endeavor. I always have people who I

991
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: rely on when I'm running, you know, like we've ran

992
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: a number of times together in whatever event or race,

993
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: and you know, I never have a watch or a phone,

994
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: so I'm always leeching off someone else being like, Hey,

995
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: what's this pace here? How far did we go? Things

996
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: like that. So that morning you were helping my coworker

997
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: Gerald and myself. You were helping us, like, you know,

998
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: we had never run a marathon before, so we were

999
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: like where do we go? What do we do? Where

1000
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: do we check it out?

1001
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: Like I was like leading like my little ducklings around.

1002
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1003
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: All right.

1004
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that you went in with

1005
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: a very specific goal, having done a lot of the

1006
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: work and holding really consistent paces and things like that,

1007
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: despite doing a ton of traveling, like you did that

1008
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: insane training run in Tokyo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, forever be

1009
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: probably one of the most insane training runs I've ever

1010
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: oh speak about.

1011
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: I just you know, it was so important to me

1012
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: to not drop days out of my training regimen. That's

1013
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: not so that's not so military, you know regiment, but

1014
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: you know the schedule I had, and I was I

1015
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: was always so worried about slacking in some way, so

1016
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: I'd be frantically texting the various Nike affiliated coaches who

1017
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: I rely on, you know, Coach Finley, Coach Jess Woods,

1018
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: Joe Holder, people who have all come to again and

1019
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: again for support, and being like, is it okay to

1020
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: skip this day? What should I do? How do I

1021
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: how do I readjust? But yeah, I was traveling a

1022
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 3: lot in the month before Chicago, and I was in Tokyo,

1023
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: and I knew I had to do I knew I

1024
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: had to do fourteen miles at some point and twenty

1025
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: miles at some point. So I went out one night

1026
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, it was three am, and I said,

1027
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: this is the twenty mile run right here. I feel

1028
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: okay about it. And I found I think, I think

1029
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: that the place I originally wanted to run there was

1030
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: some construction, because there's a lot of construction going on

1031
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: in Tokyo now for the twenty twenty Olympics. So I

1032
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 3: found another place there was like a three mile loop,

1033
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: and I was doing that again and again, and it

1034
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: was wet out because it had rained, and all these

1035
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: government workers just staring at me, and I got pretty

1036
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: far through it, but then I was like, no, I

1037
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: have to stop. This is absurd. It's four am. This

1038
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: is not going to work. And I think I did

1039
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: fourteen miles that night. But then I went back a

1040
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: few days later. This is during my Chicago Marathon training

1041
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: while I was in Tokyo. I went back a few

1042
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: days later and there was this loop i'd found that

1043
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: was I think the loop was one twenty five meters

1044
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: and I said, well, this is this is like the

1045
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: simplest way I can get this done, The most efficient

1046
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: way I can get this twenty mile run doone is

1047
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: to just go to this loop and do it twenty

1048
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: four times and then add a little bit on top

1049
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: and I'll be there. That'll be That'll be twenty miles.

1050
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: So that, yeah, that was That was one of the

1051
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: longest runs I did during that training. Was just loop

1052
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: and it was just the math of Okay, just do

1053
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: eight loops first, and do another eight, and then there'll

1054
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: be a hard eight at the end, and then that's twenty.

1055
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: It was it well, I mean again, like going back

1056
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: to this idea that for so long when you were

1057
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: younger you struggled with not like leaving something partly done

1058
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: right and get to this point now, like running has

1059
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: given you so much in the scheme of your productivity,

1060
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: in your diligence, and then that one hundred percent is

1061
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: just so appable, I'm sure to even the success that

1062
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: you've seen a complex like you've held a few different titles,

1063
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: and that's because of persistence, I'm sure.

1064
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's just the ability to just see something through.

1065
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: And it's harder for me to do in physical activity

1066
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: that it is for me to do in other parts

1067
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 3: of my life. So sometimes I feel like the transfer

1068
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: is more I transfer that to my approach to staying active, exercising,

1069
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: running and things like that, because I feel like I'm

1070
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm better at it outside of the realm of the physical,

1071
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

1072
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems that it's starting to work out

1073
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: pretty well for you. So you run the marathon, yes,

1074
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: and how does it go?

1075
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: Ups and downs? There were ups and downs. The course

1076
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: is pretty flat, because as you said, despite the course

1077
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: being pretty flat, they were ups and downs. My goal

1078
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: time was three hours and thirty minutes. And first of all,

1079
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: I hate how much time there is leading up to

1080
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: the marathon and how many instances in which you have

1081
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, I'm running a marathon, just as small talk.

1082
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: Not to be one of those people who talks about

1083
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: it all the time. And then someone asks you, oh,

1084
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: what's your goal, and then you have to say the

1085
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: goal and then they tell you congratulations. What do you

1086
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: mean congratulations. I haven't done anything yet. I've done a

1087
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: lot of training. But you know I would say, oh,

1088
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: three thirty, which is an eight minute pace throughout twenty

1089
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 3: six point two miles, and say wow, that's really fast,

1090
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 3: and I say, well, I haven't. I haven't done it yet. Yeah,

1091
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: in theory it would, it would be reasonably fast if

1092
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: I actually did it. But I haven't done it yet.

1093
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: So my final time for the marathon was far far

1094
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 3: off from that. It was four hours and fourteen minutes around.

1095
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: I actually don't I should have the official.

1096
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: Time like you shouldn't.

1097
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: Haven't very much memorized, maybe tattooed on my body. But

1098
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: I started out way too fast. And you know, we

1099
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: had talked about it, you and I had talked about it. Basically,

1100
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: the approach is to just find a pace group and

1101
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: stay with that pace group and figure out where that

1102
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: pace group is relative to your goal and to your

1103
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: physical ability. And this is one of the things I

1104
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: realized I'm deficient. And when it comes to running, is that,

1105
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, I rely on other people a lot.

1106
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: And I think after that race, I realized I maybe

1107
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 3: rely on other people too much and don't have enough

1108
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: awareness of exactly how fast I'm running or exactly where

1109
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 3: I am and things like that, because in the first

1110
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: couple miles I couldn't find a pace group. Everybody had

1111
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: been telling me, oh, you could find a pace group.

1112
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: You know, you can find the person holding a stick

1113
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: up that says on that stick a sign if you

1114
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 3: run with me for this whole thing, you will finish

1115
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: in this amount of time. And I was looking for

1116
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: the person with the three thirty the three thirty stick,

1117
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't find them. I was running. I

1118
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: didn't really know. Again, I don't wear a watch. I

1119
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: don't have a phone. And that's not a great idea,

1120
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 3: but I mean I don't have a phone. I don't

1121
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: run with a phone. But I couldn't, you know. So

1122
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: I just I would just find people who felt like

1123
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: they were going around where I was comfortable with and

1124
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: run with them. Eventually I found a pace group and

1125
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 3: it was the three twenty five pace group, which is,

1126
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 3: you know, significantly faster than the three thirty pace group.

1127
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: So do you know off the tip of your head

1128
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: what a three twenty five. I mean, you were pretty

1129
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: close to it. So do you know what pace that is?

1130
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: My three twenty eight was like a seventh of Jesus.

1131
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: I can't believe I say this out lod like a

1132
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: seven forty six. Yeah, overall pace.

1133
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe maybe maybe around seven thirty or something like.

1134
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: That, at least seven thirty five.

1135
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So agree, not mathematicians were journalists.

1136
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: I'm just a blogger. But I was with that three

1137
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: twenty five pace group and it felt fine, you know.

1138
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 3: I was with them for fifteen miles or something like that,

1139
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: and I really thought in my head at some point, oh,

1140
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this at this pace. I fell

1141
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 3: apart eventually, I think around Again. I don't have the

1142
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: exact numbers because I kind of like, you know, it's

1143
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: in the past now, but I should I should know

1144
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: the exact story, but around like probably sixteen or seventeen miles,

1145
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: I slowed down a little bit and then I really

1146
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: just like stopped. I didn't, you know, my back was

1147
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: in pain, and just my energy in general was I

1148
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: don't want to say depleted, because your energy is never

1149
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: really depleted, despite what you think, but it was low,

1150
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: and I just I knew, I knew I had done

1151
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: something wrong.

1152
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: What made you not quit?

1153
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 3: The thing is I did kind of quit. It felt

1154
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: like I was quitting when it, you know, like I was,

1155
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: I was walking. There was like a span of probably

1156
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: two miles where I was walking, and I was just thinking,

1157
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: oh my god, I spent these weeks and months preparing

1158
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: for this thing, and I've fallen short, and now I

1159
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: will have to go through the shame the next eight

1160
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: miles or whatever. I just walking this thing like I

1161
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: knew I was. I was resigned to do it that way,

1162
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: and it was you know, usually I run A lot

1163
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: of people make fun of me because I'm always running

1164
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: in shorts like this, even in the winter, you know,

1165
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: and I'm never really that cold. But I was so

1166
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 3: cold in that moment in those Chicago streets with the

1167
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: wind blowing and I wasn't moving anymore, and I had

1168
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: on a tank top and shorts, and everything seemed to

1169
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 3: slow me down. And you know, there's all these people

1170
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 3: cheering you on and telling you you got this, and

1171
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know who you are. Who were

1172
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: you to tell me that I've got this? Or I'm

1173
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, I look great. I don't know I was,

1174
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, I was a kid, just like getting angry,

1175
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: like you know, everybody, everybody on the side is telling

1176
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: me I still have it under control. I'm like, what

1177
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: have you? What have you accomplished? You don't know, you know,

1178
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: And then I really thought I was gonna walk the

1179
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, the rest of it, the last eight miles

1180
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: or seven miles or whatever, you know what. One one

1181
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: piece of pain I remember particularly was that my my elbow,

1182
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: like the the connectors in my arm really hurt, like

1183
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 3: when I would like swing my arm back and forth,

1184
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, even if I would try to run a

1185
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: little bit, because it felt so cold and so stiff.

1186
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 3: Eventually I found Knocks, you know, a guy who's been

1187
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: affiliated with Nike running programs here in New York for

1188
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: a while. He I think it was around on the

1189
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 3: course where the three three run two group was which

1190
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: is like a Chicago base run was it?

1191
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: Is it twenty one?

1192
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: Okay? Wow, so this is see this is the story

1193
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: is a little bit different than I remember it in

1194
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: my head. But this guy knocks you know who I've

1195
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 3: run with through Nike a number of times. He saw

1196
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: me and he saw how much I was struggling. And

1197
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 3: I still need to reach out to him personally and

1198
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: just thank him so much because he he he ran

1199
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: up to me and he was ready to just give

1200
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: me his jacket and I was like, no, no, I'm good.

1201
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: You know, he's definitely giving me water, he's giving me things,

1202
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: a drink, He's trying to figure out what do you need?

1203
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 3: What do he and he walked with me for at

1204
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: least half a mile and eventually finally found like a

1205
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: space blanket for me to just wrap around me because

1206
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: he could tell, you know, at that at the very least,

1207
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 3: I was cold and needed something to just like stay

1208
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: you know, awake or you know this sounds so dramatic,

1209
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: but you know, just stay alive at that point, and

1210
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: that was the first thing where I was like, Okay,

1211
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: this is going to help me get through this, because

1212
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: up to that point in the marathon, in terms of

1213
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: me breaking down or me falling apart. I was like,

1214
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm gonna Yeah, I got you.

1215
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 3: How am I going to move for these last eight miles?

1216
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: You know, eight miles, six miles whatever it was. So

1217
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: that was start running, That was the first step.

1218
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: What then, but then you move? Start moving again?

1219
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: It took me a while, you know, I I I was,

1220
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: I was mad, and I was frustrated, and I was

1221
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: huddled under this blanket kind of trying to, you know,

1222
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: cower and disappear and just be invisible, you know, just

1223
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: looking straight ahead, not looking at any of the people

1224
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: cheering me on or going past me, just trying to

1225
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: detach myself from that whole thing, because really I didn't

1226
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: feel like I was in the race in any way

1227
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: at that point, and I was upset, but also I

1228
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: was more just like I just need to finish this thing.

1229
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: And I think I walked for for a while longer,

1230
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: and what eventually made me move again. You know, I

1231
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: would try to for a little bit, but I just

1232
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: couldn't really like run run. I was and I was

1233
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: walking mostly. I think I would like sway from side

1234
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: to side, of the street, depending on where the sunlight

1235
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: is because I felt so cold. But at one point

1236
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: somebody bumped into me and it was a guy who

1237
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: was running with his friends, and his friend said his

1238
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: friend said, you're a fucking idiot. And I had no

1239
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: idea if this guy was talking to me or to

1240
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: his friend and some something. If for whatever reason, I

1241
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: wanted to know, I you know, I'm not like an

1242
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: aggress person in the least. I have never been in

1243
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: a fight. I you know, do not enjoy violence in

1244
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: any form. But if I felt like like primarily like

1245
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: aggressive or you know, there's some weird like deep lizard

1246
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: brain thing where I was just like I reacted to

1247
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: that this person bumping into me and this guy saying

1248
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: you're a fucking idiot, and I was like, are you me?

1249
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: I was like, are you talking to me? Like I've

1250
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: literally never been like are you talking to me? You

1251
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: know that's not me at all, But like this happened,

1252
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm going to catch up. I

1253
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 3: need like are they talking to me? Like what is

1254
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: he talking? I'm an idiot? Or that guy's So I

1255
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: just started running after them, and I had the blanket

1256
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 3: around and like and I have this space blanket around

1257
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: my shoulders and I'm finally like I'm moving again, And

1258
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, that was the thing where I'm actually

1259
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 3: like running, I'm actually doing you know, where you could

1260
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 3: consider at this point jogging or running. And from there

1261
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: I managed to finish the race running and that's you know,

1262
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people have asked me how how the

1263
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: marathon went, and I've told them I I've told them

1264
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: not great. But I'm proud of what I did. I'm

1265
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: not proud of my time, but I'm proud of the

1266
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 3: fact that I had had a chance to completely break

1267
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: down or completely let it go, and I didn't. I

1268
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: managed to come out of that somehow, you know, and

1269
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: I ran an okay pace for the last three miles.

1270
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: You know, I especially like the last mile and a half.

1271
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I really pushed it and really gave

1272
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: my effort, and at the end felt like I gave

1273
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: a proper effort, even though the plan was not executed

1274
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: at all, really, you know, in terms of how fast

1275
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be going and how fast I

1276
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: ended up going. And you know, all the people I

1277
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: know who passed me and saw me, you know, broken

1278
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: down there.

1279
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: I saw you. I know, I'm so bummed that I didn't.

1280
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: No, it's it's best you. It's best you didn't because

1281
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: it wouldn't.

1282
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: But I think it's so beautiful.

1283
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: Basically, your takeaway is really special because it we science

1284
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: has said that we remember experiences often by how we

1285
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: finish them. So you finished that marathon strong, and that's

1286
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: really awesome. But you can walk away and have this

1287
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: wise smart takeaway from a truly once in a lifetime experience.

1288
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: I hope once in a lifetime. I hope next time

1289
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: I don't break down in the middle.

1290
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, where there's the will, there's the way, right,

1291
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: Like I feel like for me during that marathon, I

1292
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: just kept telling myself two things.

1293
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: One was just like, come back to calm.

1294
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Every time where I started to feel it all worked up,

1295
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: is just come back to calm. And then I literally

1296
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: convinced myself that I was not going to hit the wall.

1297
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not an option for you

1298
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: at this point. You've come too far to only come

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Speaker 1: this far, Like it's on now the closer I got

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Speaker 1: to the finish line and was still like hitting those

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Speaker 1: those pieces for me, So I just I think it's

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Speaker 1: really special that you did it like that and that

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Speaker 1: now you have the opportunity to build from that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a reason why that happened in

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Speaker 1: that way for you. And it really just sounds to

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Speaker 1: me like kind of a pinnacle moment, not necessarily definitely

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Speaker 1: a life long hurdle moment for sure, but a pinnacle

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Speaker 1: for you and that you and that exercise in that race,

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Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to exercise something that you had

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Speaker 1: literally been struggling with your entire life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like your entire finishing. Yeah, just finishing. And so

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty dope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was funny because when I finished, I knew.

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Speaker 3: I knew at that time that I was so far

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Speaker 3: off from my goal, but I wasn't disappointed by that

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Speaker 3: at all. And I think even seeing some of the

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Speaker 3: other people who were there with us in the tent afterwards,

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Speaker 3: I probably looked quite emotional, and someone told me that

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Speaker 3: my lips were blue, I guess from how cold it was.

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Speaker 3: But I wasn't at all emotional because I was sad

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Speaker 3: about having been so far off from what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do. I was just emotional over having done it.

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Speaker 3: Overlooking at my phone, and seeing all the people who

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Speaker 3: I cared about, who were messaging me, or who had

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Speaker 3: texted me or called me, you know, before or after

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Speaker 3: to see how I was doing, or to congratulate me,

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Speaker 3: or to give me support of some kind. All those

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Speaker 3: things were bigger than the fact that I had, for

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Speaker 3: a portion of it, failed so miserably or fallen so

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Speaker 3: far from what I felt like I was there to do.

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Speaker 1: There's a lesson in every failure. All right, We're winding

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Speaker 1: down two last questions for you.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 1: First question, You are probably in a career that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people look at as pretty freakinstellar. When you

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Speaker 1: look at your time either at Secret News at Complex

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Speaker 1: and you think about the best piece of advice that

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Speaker 1: you have been offered in your career, what do you.

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Speaker 3: Think about I think one of the best pieces of advice.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is the single best, but

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Speaker 3: it's up there because you know it's memorable and it's

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Speaker 3: what's coming to mind now is gu named Nick Schomberger,

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Speaker 3: who used to who used to be my boss at

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Speaker 3: Complex and he's he's actually at Nike now in Beaverton.

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Speaker 3: But he kind of told me once that he wanted

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Speaker 3: me to be in positions that would challenge me, and

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Speaker 3: he wanted me to do things that would actually push me.

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Speaker 3: You know, we all know what we're capable of, but

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Speaker 3: we don't know what we're not capable of. And I

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Speaker 3: think that that kind of made me realize that, or

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Speaker 3: kind of made me focus on not necessarily doing what

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Speaker 3: would satisfy me versus doing what would challenge me. That's

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Speaker 3: not that sounds so uh, that sounds like I'm totally

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Speaker 3: dedicated to doing what's challenging me all the time. I'm

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Speaker 3: not quite there yet, but it's a it's a thing

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Speaker 3: that has reminded me that that's important. I'm not there yet,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to. I am not so so so

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Speaker 3: such a monk that I am, you know.

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Speaker 1: Not quite monks status, right, non andy putticum right? Okay,

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Speaker 1: And the last question, please you have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: offer the Brendan a piece of advice when he is

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Speaker 1: kind of just getting into the swing of things with

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Speaker 1: this running thing. I almost feel like I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk to the Brendan who is challenging himself to

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Speaker 1: run his first ever fastest mile, because at that point

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Speaker 1: that was when you really for the first time had

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Speaker 1: to shove this. I have the opportunity to give up

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Speaker 1: to the side.

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Speaker 3: It's it's so simple, but it's really just finish, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the end is in sight. You've done this before.

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Speaker 3: You know what you have to do to get there.

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Speaker 3: Just finish.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Thanks man, Yeah, me the best.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment leave a quick review by clicking

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Speaker 1: the link with the description to this episode. We all

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Speaker 1: face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear about yours.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle dot us.

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Speaker 1: Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Brendan. Where do they find you? How do they keep

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Speaker 2: up with you? Give me the deats.

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Speaker 3: They can find me at Brendan Dunn on Instagram that's

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Speaker 3: b r e n d A n d U n

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Speaker 3: n E. I guess they can also find me there

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, but my Twitter is like a super duper

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Speaker 3: secret private. Don't follow me, don't tweet at me because

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Speaker 3: I won't look at it. Yeah. That's also. You can

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Speaker 3: definitely watch Full Size Run on YouTube every week at

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Speaker 3: six pm Eastern and you know, click the like button

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Speaker 3: to leave a comment. About how good my skin looks.

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Speaker 3: You know, stuff, stuff like that is all. It is

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Speaker 3: all appreciated. Maybe even get my face tattooed on your

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Speaker 3: body if you if you really feel like a dedicated fan.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me Emily.

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Speaker 1: At Emily a body. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys

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Speaker 1: next time.