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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: How can just twenty minutes change your whole life?

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Speaker 1: How does a boy step outside.

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Speaker 2: Barefoot to get his Uber eights and he's never seen again?

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Speaker 1: I need to see Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Serious xem one eleven.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to Rachel Banea.

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Speaker 3: When Caleb Harris's roommates begin their day, they open the

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Speaker 3: front door to find the Uber eats food Caleb heet ordered.

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Speaker 3: Still at the door, the roommates started looking for Harris.

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Speaker 3: At eleven am, the roommates file a missing person report

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Speaker 3: with police and notify Texas and them Corpus Christi campus

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Speaker 3: security as well that Harris is missing. At three pm,

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Speaker 3: parents Randy and Becky Harris are told their son is missing.

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Speaker 3: Randy Harris headed straight for Corpus Christy And.

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Speaker 2: What does Randy Harris Keelb's dad have to say about this?

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is not normal.

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Speaker 4: This is not This is a different situation where you know,

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Speaker 4: Caleb disappeared, vanished, just so many things that just don't

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Speaker 4: add up, especially at three in the morning, you know,

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Speaker 4: but he was planning a lot of stuff. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: like he wasn't going anywhere. I mean, he was planning stuff.

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Speaker 4: So that's what is odd about the whole case.

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Speaker 2: This young A and M student is gone, seemingly vanished

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Speaker 2: into thin air, and.

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Speaker 1: We all know something is off.

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Speaker 2: When you order Instacart or Uber or door Dash, your

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Speaker 2: food doesn't sit on your front porch all night long

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Speaker 2: for your roommates to find it the next morning. There

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Speaker 2: is a critical twenty minutes, critical twenty minutes that this

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Speaker 2: boy scrubbed in Sunshine disappeared.

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know? Right now? Where is Caleb?

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Speaker 2: Right off the bat, I want to go straight out

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Speaker 2: to Kellub's dad, but first I want to give you

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Speaker 2: a tip line three six one eight eight six two

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Speaker 2: eight four zero. There is a reward repeat three six

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Speaker 2: one eight eight six two eight four zero. And now

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Speaker 2: to Kill's father, Randy Harris joining us. Mister Harris, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. I can't even imagine what

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Speaker 2: you are going through you and your wife. My son

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Speaker 2: went missing inside a Giant Baby's or US warehouse store

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Speaker 2: when he was about three, and just those moments until

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Speaker 2: I find found him I'll never forget it the rest

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Speaker 2: of my life.

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Speaker 1: And you have been living with this.

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Speaker 2: Since Caleb seemingly disappeared on a foggy night. I want

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Speaker 2: to start at the beginning with you. When did you

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Speaker 2: find out something was wrong?

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Speaker 5: Well, we texted back.

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Speaker 6: And forth quite a bit, and so you know, the

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Speaker 6: next morning, typical Monday morning, maybe he slept in late

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Speaker 6: whatever and getting ready for school round ten thirty and so,

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Speaker 6: no big deal. And then we got a call from

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Speaker 6: the roommates. They called my wife and she immediately called me.

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Speaker 6: I was working south of town, and so I got

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Speaker 6: down here as quick as I can, and that kind

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Speaker 6: of started everything off with meeting with the police again.

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Speaker 6: They were there within five minutes of me arriving, and

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Speaker 6: you know, took the report again for the end, immediately

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Speaker 6: raised it to a missing.

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Speaker 2: Person's How could he just vanish? What do we know?

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Speaker 2: Tell me some more about Caleb. He's a student at

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Speaker 2: A and M.

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Speaker 1: What is he study? Where does he live? What year

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Speaker 1: is he in school?

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Speaker 6: Two and a half years into school, he's studying environmental science. Definitely,

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Speaker 6: just absolutely loves the outdoors, loves fishing, loves hunting. Really

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Speaker 6: he just loves all the clothes, wants to be sponsored.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna get his kayak guide license to be able

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Speaker 5: And so you know he's going to do that.

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Speaker 6: Getting ready to go to work in Colorado this summer,

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Speaker 6: just a lot of stuff. He had texted me that evening.

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Speaker 6: You know, some fishing lures he's going to use the

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Speaker 6: going to do. And that's that was. That was the

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Speaker 6: night before and he was ready to go over the

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Speaker 6: next day and the.

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Speaker 2: Van to Doctor Jeff Kalashevski joining US forensic psychologists, author.

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Speaker 1: Of Dark Sides.

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Speaker 2: You can find him on YouTube at doctor Jeff Kalashewski.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff, thank you for being with us. You know,

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Speaker 2: when someone just seemingly walks away into the fog, we

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Speaker 2: wonder why that's not what happened here.

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Speaker 1: He didn't just walk away. Think about it. Doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Somebody doesn't order their DoorDash or their uber eats and

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Speaker 2: just decide, Hey, I'm gonna walk out into nowhere.

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Speaker 1: That didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: He was excited about fishing the next morning, about his

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Speaker 2: plans to move to Colorado for a job over the summer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no sign ever of depression, of any kind

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Speaker 1: Problem, great grades, just living the life. Doctor.

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Speaker 2: This guy did not disappear on his own. I would

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Speaker 2: stake everything.

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Speaker 7: On it, writ in cases like this. A lot of times,

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Speaker 7: right people wonder about suicide. But it's the idea that

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Speaker 7: you rule a lot of these things out if there

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Speaker 7: aren't mental health issues, if they're in a history of

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Speaker 7: significant impulsive behavior, then you wonder about accidents. Those happened too.

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Speaker 7: I've lived in college towns where it seems like the

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Speaker 7: same accidents happened at the same place around these towns,

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Speaker 7: for example, kids flying in the river, So that.

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Speaker 8: Is a potential option.

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Speaker 7: And then what it would leave after that was the

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Speaker 7: possibility of some type of abduction or kidnapping.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Dotter Jeff Kalshewski, can I just stop you right there?

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Speaker 2: He did not go out on his little stupe at

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Speaker 2: his roommates. He didn't step out there to get his

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Speaker 2: Abra eights and fall on the river.

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Speaker 1: That did not happen. Okay, I want you to rethink

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly no MD, much less a psychologist, but I

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Speaker 2: know that much when I go out the door to

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Speaker 2: a river.

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Speaker 1: An accident, an accident, you gotta rule it out. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I can rule out suicide, and I can really that

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Speaker 2: I think it's timeline right Joining me is Mandy Noel,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter news for San Antonio.

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Speaker 1: Mandy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What's your understanding of the timeline. That's what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be focusing on right now, because that's how you

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Speaker 2: start a missing person or foul play investigation with your timeline.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear me in the open state, I've got

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Speaker 2: a critical twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that Randy Harris.

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Speaker 2: Who is Caleb's dad, knows the twenty minutes I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about I'm sure you do too, but I want to

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Speaker 2: get all of the facts I can leading me up

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Speaker 2: to those twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Hit me.

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Speaker 9: You are exactly right, and that is a critical twenty minutes.

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Speaker 9: And there's so many questions because of police owned's words

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Speaker 10: It's a strange disappearance.

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Speaker 9: So one am and it's before that twenty minutes Caleb

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Speaker 9: is on a ring doorbell camera, some surveillance camera with

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Speaker 10: Two am.

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Speaker 9: The roommate goes to sleep on the couch. Caleb, like

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Speaker 9: mister Harris mentioned, preparing his fishing reels. The next day,

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Speaker 9: it's the last time his roommates staw Caleb two forty

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Speaker 10: Caleb sends a snapchat walk in the new dog two

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Speaker 9: His phone turns off or it dies, pings at his

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Speaker 10: That uber eats that he ordered. It's seen as a surveillance.

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Speaker 9: Camera, but the footage, the information with the footage is

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Speaker 9: kind of wonk either, saying it could be a one

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Speaker 9: hour kind of time swing. As you mentioned, the foots

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Speaker 9: found on the door step the next morning. But the

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Speaker 9: other thing to point out here, he wasn't plenty to

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Speaker 10: Walked outside without shoes on. So that time, you're right,

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Speaker 9: This small window where he was communicating with friends and

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Dave matt Crime Online.

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Speaker 11: Harris and his roommates spend the evening outside in the

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Speaker 11: one am when he heads back inside. He sends a

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Speaker 11: snapchat to his sister at two forty four, and at

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Speaker 11: two forty five, Caleb Harris orders food through Uber Eats.

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Speaker 11: When the Uber Eats driver arrives at three twenty am,

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to Randy Harris, this is Caleb's father. He

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Speaker 2: is begging for your help, join us help in the

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Speaker 2: Harris kind of just run through that timeline again with you.

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Speaker 2: So he's outside. They've got a new puppy. It's one am.

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Speaker 1: Month, they're out there.

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Speaker 2: At two forty four, he sends his sister a snapchat.

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Speaker 2: I guess with the dog, and there's no question. It's

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Speaker 1: They're time.

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Speaker 2: Snapchats are time, and I might add they time out

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Speaker 2: And everybody may scoff, but minutes matter, minutes matter, even

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Speaker 2: one minute. At two forty five, he orders food through

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Speaker 2: uber Eats.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct, mister Harris.

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Speaker 6: I really don't have the exact timeline on exactly when

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Speaker 6: he ordered Uber Eats. We do know that the Uber

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Speaker 6: eats was picked up from the convenience store to lunchables,

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Speaker 6: Irritable and Apple Piet typical typical for Kali.

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Speaker 5: We believe it.

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Speaker 6: Was delivered around that three to twenty mark because or yeah,

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Speaker 6: three twenty marks, because he was picked up at the

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Speaker 6: groceries at the store, you know, like two seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what did he get? Two launchibles?

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Speaker 5: Two lunchibles, apple Pie and red Bull?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's normal.

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Speaker 6: He would go to school, be done by noon one o'clock,

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Speaker 6: get to the back of the apartment, either a friend

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Speaker 6: that was their lunch for the afternoon, and you know,

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Speaker 5: Out till before dark.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me now, Assistant Chief

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Speaker 2: Todd Green with the Corpus Christy Police. Assistant Chief Green,

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Speaker 2: can I confirm with you the Uber Eats time?

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Speaker 1: And I know what minute may not matter.

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Speaker 2: two forty five auber Eats order.

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Speaker 12: Yes, that's correct, and it arrived. We confirmed that it

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Speaker 8: Do with his disappearance. She did not see Caleb.

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Speaker 1: You just gave me a lot of information. I know

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Speaker 2: The moment you said a female driver, I can tell

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Speaker 2: you right now the driver's not responsible. Statistically a female,

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Speaker 2: it's much less likely to perform any violent act, period

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Speaker 2: not happening. Okay, so she's there at three point twenty

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Speaker 12: She did report seeing one other vehicle leaving the parking lot.

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Speaker 8: We believe we.

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Speaker 12: Have identified the driver of that vehicle and also have

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Assistant Chief Green hold On, I don't

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Speaker 2: Who did they live there? Were they visiting? Were they

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Speaker 12: He was an individual who lives actually lives in San

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Speaker 12: that's the vehicle that she saw. That individual told us

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Speaker 1: The morning and he didn't see anything.

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Speaker 8: No, he did not.

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Speaker 12: He saw a vehicle coming into the apartment complex, which

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Speaker 2: Gosh, this just keeps getting more and more odd. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that story makes perfect sense to me. And if he's

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Speaker 2: highly unlikely a guy is going to leave his girlfriend

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Speaker 2: there's a guy. I think I'll kidnapp him. That didn't happen. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's out. Let's pick back up where we are. Guys,

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Speaker 2: take a listen to this.

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Speaker 13: We know his phone pinked at three a little after three,

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Speaker 4: Is with that pink phone actually quit working at two

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me follow up on that. We all are

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what launches a.

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Speaker 2: Timeline the fact that one of the young ladies inside

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Speaker 2: I think she got the door dash at that time.

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Speaker 1: It's like looking at your watch.

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Speaker 2: All of this is digitized by time, location, all of

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Speaker 2: that you can count on it, and here we're getting

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Speaker 1: Now I'm want to circle back to Randy Harris.

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Speaker 2: This is Caleb's dad, And for everybody on the panel,

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Speaker 2: let me remind you we're not having high ta at

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Speaker 2: Winster Castle with Charles and Camilla. If you have an idea,

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Speaker 2: spit it out. Now is the time, mister Harris. I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about what you just said about the ping.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, so we're getting a ping at three a m.

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Speaker 1: But you're not sure, as you.

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Speaker 2: And your wife are saying, where he was at the

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Speaker 1: Did he turn it off? Did it run out of jews?

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 6: Oh, we really don't know that for sure. His phone,

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Speaker 6: you know, because he's out all the time. The phone

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Speaker 6: does go dead pretty quickly because he's just using it

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Speaker 5: The ping was at three oh three.

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Speaker 6: It was a snapchat picture I believe to one of

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Speaker 6: his friends, and it was on the bridge, But again

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Speaker 6: the timeline doesn't quite add up. They were able to

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Speaker 6: get from what I understand through at and T an

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Speaker 6: additional ping around three twelve down the street. So again

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Speaker 6: the phone was off or turned off, but there was

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Speaker 5: I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's make sense of what we're hearing right now,

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Speaker 2: and remember Killum's dad has.

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Speaker 1: Been sifting through all the facts.

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Speaker 2: He's throwing out some jargon not everybody's used to. But

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Speaker 2: luckily for us, Todd Shipley is joining US digital cyber

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Speaker 2: crime expert, former detective sergeant and author of Listen to This,

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Speaker 2: Investigating Internet Crimes and Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace,

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Speaker 2: and you can find him a dark intail dot info.

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Speaker 1: Tadd Shipley, we need you now more.

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Speaker 2: Than ever because I've been investigating Caleb's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: I understood what Randy here has just said, but a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people may not explain what he's saying because I'm

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Speaker 2: not quite sure. I understand how he is ordering Uber

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Speaker 2: phone have to move? Oh, Randy? Has the phone been recovered?

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Speaker 5: No, it has not. We've done a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 6: We're there with cadets and with search and rescue and

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Speaker 6: that was one of the biggest focuses is you know,

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Speaker 6: obviously finding Caleb, of trying to find that phone. Even

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Speaker 5: I can I jump in.

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Speaker 12: Yes, that information that we had originally came in on

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Speaker 12: right now, we're sharing that with uh two of our

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Speaker 12: well as our local team, our local UHUR, our organized

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Speaker 12: crime unit, which has the resources to go through all

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Speaker 12: this digital data and the quote. The bottom line is,

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Speaker 12: at this point, we don't believe that that is an

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Speaker 12: So right now we're working off that we don't believe

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Speaker 12: about a mile away, a.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me decide what you just said.

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Speaker 2: You think the three twelve paying down the street is erroneous.

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Speaker 12: That's our working theory right now that that data, it

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Speaker 12: was preliminary data. It came in very quickly. It appeared

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Speaker 2: Okay, So can you tell me this. Do you think

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Speaker 8: At this point, we feel like it's not accurate.

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Speaker 1: Wrong, Okay, that's really important.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for telling me that before I go down

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Speaker 2: a rabbit hole with a cyber expert.

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Speaker 1: Is that you Todd Shipley jumping in.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, go, it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's wrong.

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Speaker 14: It just means that the phone found when it was

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Speaker 14: So they're looking at the larger set of data that

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Speaker 2: Okay, one thing you just said, Todd Shipley that I

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Speaker 1: In other words, the cell phone is trying to find.

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Speaker 2: A tower to get a connection, and it could be

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Speaker 2: it's pinging all around, pinging, and that's the cell phone

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Speaker 1: I hear somebody jumping in, go ahead, please do it.

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Speaker 5: Was me, misterious.

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Speaker 6: I want to I want to really explain something to

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Speaker 6: the police has done a phenomenal job in this case.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these guys are amazing and not questioning anything

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Speaker 6: And you know, those were areas where you know, we

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Speaker 5: With everybody else.

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Speaker 6: So and we certainly understand those cell tower images could

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Speaker 5: It was just kind of a hot spot. And so

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Speaker 6: To stress you know how happy we are with what

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Speaker 5: They really are, uh, they're they're just killing.

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Speaker 8: It out there.

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Speaker 6: They're they're they're doing a good job. And I want

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Speaker 2: Percent absolutely, because you know what, mister Harris, Usually when

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Speaker 2: Nobody ever says, like, do you call your cable company

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Speaker 2: you know, making my TV. No, you call and go

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Speaker 1: And I really.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you saying that because it's so rare that we

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Speaker 2: get to hear that. Okay, so everything we know about

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Speaker 12: Yes, it appears he was walking through the parking lot

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Speaker 12: three he's actually just outside the apartment complex on the

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Speaker 12: main street that runs right by the complex and there's

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Speaker 12: a small bridge that goes over a drainage ditch.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to be clear about the bridge because

447
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, oh, did he fall

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Speaker 2: in some de water.

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Speaker 1: That's not what that bridge is, is it.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's a drainage ditch.

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Speaker 12: When we have eavy rings, it certainly could be a

452
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Speaker 12: drowning potential.

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Speaker 8: But at the time of his disappearance.

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Speaker 12: There was only less in that area, was less than

455
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Speaker 12: a foot of water in it, and we searched it

456
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Speaker 12: thoroughly with our dive team. Texas Search and Rescue brought

457
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Speaker 12: in their canines. We swept it again with the canines.

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Speaker 12: It was swept again with the bloodhounds from the Department

459
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Speaker 12: of Corrections brought their canines in. So it's been thoroughly

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Speaker 12: searched and no sign of kleb Or or the cell phone.

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Speaker 2: Randy Harris, I feel very strongly Hey did not go

462
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Speaker 2: to that bridge and fall into the one foot of water.

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 2: So the snapchat to a sister, and for those of

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Speaker 2: you that don't know about snapchat, it's not like your

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Speaker 2: texting message.

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Speaker 1: It's a picture, it's a snap and.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to, I guess, in the moment, in real time,

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Speaker 2: send a picture of what you're doing that expresses what

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Speaker 2: you're doing.

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Speaker 1: At that moment.

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Speaker 2: And it's the big way of communication right now amongst preteens,

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Speaker 2: teens and students. So again, where was he, Randy when

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Speaker 2: he sent the snap to his sister?

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Speaker 5: From what I.

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Speaker 6: Understand right there at with the sister, it looks like

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Speaker 6: he was just in the parking lot with taking a dog.

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Speaker 5: For a while.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that was just before three a m.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, take a listen now to more of what

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Speaker 2: we know regarding the timeline.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jackie Howard.

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Speaker 15: The timeline for Caleb Harris is traceable up until two

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Speaker 15: fifty eight am. Caleb Harris is on security cameras, ring

486
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Speaker 15: doorbell cameras around his apartment, and is on his phone

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Speaker 15: which is pinging at his apartment. According to the investigators,

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Speaker 15: at two fifty eight Harris is at his apartment when

489
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 15: his cell phone battery dies or is turned off. The

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Speaker 15: Uber Eats driver arrives at three twenty am, and Caleb

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Speaker 15: Harris is not there to get the food. Two fifty

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Speaker 15: eight am to three twenty am a twenty two minute

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Speaker 15: window of opportunity and then the foggy early morning hours

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Speaker 15: of Monday, March fourth, twenty one year old Caleb Harris vanished.

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Speaker 2: Todd Shipley, joining US digital cybercrime expert at Dark Inteil

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Speaker 2: dot info. Todd, I mean, when I look at my

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Speaker 2: life three sixty, it tells me my son's phone is

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Speaker 2: at ten percent or my daughter's phone is turned off.

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Speaker 2: So we can't tell if his phone died or whether

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Speaker 2: it was cut off.

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Speaker 14: Well, I don't know who else was connected with CALEBM,

502
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Speaker 14: whether the family had something like three sixty, which is

503
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 14: a great app for families, But at this point in time,

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Speaker 14: they know what they know, which is the phone when dead,

505
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Speaker 14: because AT and T has those records in the phone

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Speaker 14: stop pen, so it's going to be they've got a

507
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Speaker 14: limited amount. We don't have like we normally have in

508
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Speaker 14: these cases, a consistent pattern of phone contacting the towers

509
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Speaker 14: and letting them know where they're at. In this case,

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Speaker 14: it stops. So we have to work back from that

511
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Speaker 14: time and try to figure out what was going on

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Speaker 14: the phone before that to see if there's anything that's

513
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Speaker 14: of relevance to the case and who he contacted, who

514
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 14: the messaging was to you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 14: things that the phone will tell us that AT and

516
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Speaker 14: T may have already given law enforcement, but they're looking

517
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Speaker 14: for all those things, trying to identify any source of

518
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Speaker 14: what happened.

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Speaker 2: So Assistant Chief Todd Green with us Corpus Christy Police again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Chief.

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Speaker 2: Now the water is getting money for me and I

523
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Speaker 2: know that you and Randy Harris and Mandy Nowel can

524
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Speaker 2: clear it up.

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Speaker 1: Was he near that bridge that night?

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Speaker 12: Yes, we certainly believe that based on the snapchat photo

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Speaker 12: he sent to one of his high school friends at

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Speaker 12: three oh three in the morning.

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Speaker 2: So we have another entry into the timeline. He sends

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Speaker 2: a snapchap to a friend at three o three am

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Speaker 2: and he's at the bridge.

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Speaker 12: Correct, It's we're very confident that he was there at

533
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Speaker 12: the bridge in front of the apartment complex.

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Speaker 2: So when we're talking about the bridge, it's kind of

535
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Speaker 2: really only a bridge to fall off on one side

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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. That's where he is out walking the dog.

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Speaker 2: Where is the dog, Randy Harris At that point.

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Speaker 5: The dog was back in the apartment, So let.

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Speaker 2: Me under he must have gone out to get the food. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so he's alive and well sending a snapchat right there

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Speaker 2: at three three am. The Uber East driver arrives at

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Speaker 2: three twenty am, so we're now down to a seventeen

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Speaker 2: minute period.

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Speaker 1: Randy Harris.

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Speaker 2: The bridge that we're seeing, is it adjacent or part

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Speaker 2: of the parking lot?

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Speaker 6: No, it's just literally right at the corner of the complex.

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Speaker 6: And I was going to add when the phone went

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Speaker 6: dead at two fifty eight, it went dead across the

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Speaker 6: board snapchat. My I have fine friends, and I also

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Speaker 6: have find you know, the fine utilities, you know, so

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Speaker 6: I can look at both of those and see in

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Speaker 6: both of the timelines were identical at two fifty eight,

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Speaker 6: and then everybody else's sad that also located him at

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Speaker 6: two fifty eight right kind of right there at the

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Speaker 6: corner of the complex or on the bridge right there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: If his phone goes dead at two fifty eight, how

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Speaker 2: does he send a snap at three oh three?

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Speaker 6: That that is a that's for the forensics to figure

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Speaker 6: that out.

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Speaker 5: We can't.

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Speaker 6: That's a timeline thing that we we it's an anomaly

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Speaker 6: because Snapchat, from what I understand, is immediate and you

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Speaker 6: know we've got we've got a few minutes there. So again,

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Speaker 6: is that a cell phone a cell tower issue? Is

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Speaker 6: it a AT and T issue? Is a delay with snapchat?

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Speaker 6: We really don't know it. We feel like he may

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Speaker 6: have done that before the funnel went dead, but we

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Speaker 6: can't confirm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you mean like suddenly I get a message that

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Speaker 2: somebody sent yesterday.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think it would be like that.

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Speaker 2: No, Okay, Todd Shipley, what could it be? Because the

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Speaker 2: reason I'm interested is because he's on this bridge. He's

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Speaker 2: at this bridge.

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Speaker 1: Is that the last known.

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Speaker 2: Communication with him at that location, not standing out in

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Speaker 2: front of his apartment? So can you explain why he

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Speaker 2: may have seen it at two fifty eight and then

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Speaker 2: it arrived at three oh three?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 14: I mean there could have been a lot of reasons

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Speaker 14: technology wise that that it could have occurred. Snapchat is

585
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 14: a great little tool, but it still uses a centralized

586
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 14: server system where it's got to go to one place

587
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 14: and be sent back to whoever the sender is sending

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Speaker 14: it to. So it could have been AT and T.

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Speaker 14: He could have been in a dead spot that it

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Speaker 14: didn't get picked up right away and it took a

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Speaker 14: minute to send. I mean, as technologically, there's a lot

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Speaker 14: of reasons why it could have been to laid Sin.

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Speaker 14: Even if the phone had died, you know, minutes before,

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Speaker 14: he could have sent it and it just didn't show

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Speaker 14: up till till later point in time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's not unusual.

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Speaker 14: All right, Well, let's see that doesn't totally explain it.

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Speaker 14: But I mean the point is it could have happened,

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Speaker 14: or he could have sent it at that time. We

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Speaker 14: just don't have enough facts and evidence right now to

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Speaker 14: know without having the phone. You know, we don't know

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Speaker 14: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well too, Assistant Chief Todd Green, do we know if

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Speaker 2: the snapchat was sent at that time? At three three?

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Speaker 2: Did the phone die or get turned off?

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Speaker 1: At two fifty eight?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where the phone was turned

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Speaker 2: whether it was turned off or it just went dead.

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00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: If it went dead, why didn't he go in and

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Speaker 2: plug it up? I mean, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Chief?

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Speaker 12: Well, we're still looking at that and we're puzzled by

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Speaker 12: the timeline as well as mister Schnyder said, and we've

614
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Speaker 12: were considering the options that he mentioned that he may

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Speaker 12: have sent the snapchat before the phone went silent. We

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Speaker 12: try not say, Dad, we don't know if the device

617
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Speaker 12: was turned off purposely or if it just ran out

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Speaker 12: of power. I don't think we'll be able to determine

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Speaker 12: that until we actually are able to look at the

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Speaker 12: device itself.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The mystery is deepening as parents of a missing Texas

623
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Speaker 2: A and M student Caleb Harris, reveal he seemingly vanishes

624
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: after going out to pick up.

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Speaker 1: His Uber Eats order.

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Speaker 2: We are following every piece of digital evidence that we can,

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00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: but what do we know regarding anything his roommate may

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Speaker 2: have said to Caleb's dad, Randy Harris.

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Speaker 1: What does the roommate.

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Speaker 6: Say their hearts are broken? I mean truly, these are

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Speaker 6: kids that have grown up with Caleb since first grade,

632
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 6: fourth grade, live in the same apartment complex, live across

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Speaker 6: the street, and live with him. One of the roommates

634
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: is graduating with the nursing degree, will be moving out,

635
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 6: and they've already signed a lease with actually the boy

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Speaker 6: in the video there, the third boy in the red

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00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 6: or maroon shirt, he'll be joining them this this fall

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 6: as as an additional roommate, which again is another another

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00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 6: friend from New Bronfels. The friend group out of the

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Speaker 6: New Bronfels area is really tight, about seven or eight

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Speaker 6: kids down there from the school that they graduated with,

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Speaker 6: and one of his roommates he's been with since fourth

643
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Speaker 6: grade football.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: You know, all these kids are very, very tight because

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Speaker 6: we went to a small Christian school there in New Bromfils.

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Speaker 6: So they're graduating classes, you know, forty kids, so it

648
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 6: was a very you know a lot of these kids

649
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 6: are like brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 2: The apartment, I understand Chief Todd Green was carefully searched.

651
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Speaker 2: I assume his vehicle was searched. Was it still part

652
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Speaker 2: their Chief Green?

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Speaker 12: Yes, that was one of the things we did early

654
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Speaker 12: on in the search, try to determine if Willingly left

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Speaker 12: the complex, why would he do that on such a

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00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 12: foggy evening on foot and it didn't make sense to us.

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Speaker 12: We checked the vehicle just to make sure that it

658
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 12: was operational, that it had fuel. It did so that

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00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 12: certainly added to the question of why would he be

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Speaker 12: going anywhere on foot at that time of night in

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Speaker 12: those conditions. As we mentioned, it was extremely foggy that night,

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Speaker 12: which has also complicated the investigation. Surveillance video that we

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Speaker 12: have recovered is not the quality that we would normally expect,

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Speaker 12: but the fogs certainly made it much more difficult to

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Speaker 12: see things.

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Speaker 2: And I assume that all of us social media has

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Speaker 2: been combed.

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Speaker 12: We are in the process of doing that. Yes, it's

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Speaker 12: time consuming. We've issued over just our team here. Our

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Speaker 12: team has issued sixteen search warrants for electronic search warrants

671
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Speaker 12: for data. The US Marshals, who's working right alongside with

672
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Speaker 12: side of us, have issued seven search warrants. The FBI

673
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 12: has helped us out by accessing financial data, so we're

674
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Speaker 12: looking at it from every possible angle. And one of

675
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Speaker 12: the things that's probably a little unique in this situation

676
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Speaker 12: is that when the data comes in, we're not analyzing

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Speaker 12: it just by ourselves here within our department. We're immediately

678
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 12: sharing it with the Marshalls, the FBI. We're constantly meeting

679
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 12: with the Texas Rangers. We're sharing data with them. So

680
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 12: when the data comes in, everybody is looking at it,

681
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 12: analyzing it, and providing us with any kind of leads.

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Speaker 8: That they believe we should follow up on.

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Speaker 12: We have a really good team, a forensic cyber team here,

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Speaker 12: but we're also reaching out and using our federal partners,

685
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 12: federal and state.

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Speaker 2: Partner, Randy Harris, was Kaleb, to your knowledge, in a

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Speaker 2: relationship with anyone.

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Speaker 6: No, his focus was you know, on a school, hunting, fishing,

689
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 6: playing video games with this roommate's pretty much a homebody

690
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 6: and very consistent. He's had a couple of girlfriends, but

691
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Speaker 6: nothing out of the ordinary for college student.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to piece it all together. Guys, listen

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 4: What we do now is continue you keeping Caleb in

696
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 4: the light, I mean keeping him.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's out there.

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Speaker 4: We feel like he's out there and we're going to

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Speaker 4: get him back.

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Speaker 1: We just got to find him. I'm curious, what is

701
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Speaker 1: your theory, Randy.

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Speaker 6: That's a that's a hard one to answer because you know,

703
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Speaker 6: there because we don't have a true North in this case,

704
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: and we don't know really what has happened, and there's

705
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 6: no the evidence and everything that they're gathering. You know,

706
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Speaker 6: I strongly feel like the authorities are finding true North

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Speaker 6: for us. We really don't know, you know, with his

708
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: his keys are there, his wallet's there, his truck's there,

709
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 6: you know, his shoes are there. The only thing missing

710
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: is a cell phone, He was barefooted and he vanished,

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00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 6: so we really don't know whether he came upon something

712
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Speaker 6: that he didn't shouldn't have seen, or he's the kind

713
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Speaker 6: of kid that would go out and help somebody change

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Speaker 6: a tire. So, you know, we just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Yes, please do so.

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Speaker 7: One thing that I thought about this, if we're working

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00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 7: on the theory that this is an abduction, a couple

718
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 7: of things that I'm sure law enforcement is looking into.

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Speaker 7: The first thing is there are random abductions of people

720
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Speaker 7: that happens, but a lot of times when an adult

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Speaker 7: is abducted, they're abducted by someone who's had contact with

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Speaker 7: them or knows them. I've seen and been involved in

723
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Speaker 7: cases like that, So I'm sure that law enforcement is

724
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Speaker 7: coming through this young man's text to see who he

725
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 7: was talking to. Obviously through the social media, but are

726
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 7: there people that he had contact with that other.

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Speaker 8: People didn't know about.

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Speaker 7: I mean, all these theories I think are probably under

729
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Speaker 7: investigation and also giving this kind of a national voice,

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Speaker 7: are there people who aren't in that local area who

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Speaker 7: had contact with him through social media or texting or

732
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 7: emails or things like that that could maybe helped provide

733
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Speaker 7: other information to look at other potential people that could

734
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Speaker 7: have been involved in him that maybe no one knew about.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing doctor Jeff Kelschewski joining us, author of

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Speaker 2: Dark Sides. A random kidnapping is rear.

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Speaker 1: And when you say.

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Speaker 2: Someone that knew him, we mean that in the loose

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Speaker 2: sense of the word. Someone that had been in a

741
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Speaker 2: class with him, somebody that was a checkout person at

742
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Speaker 2: the grocery store, somebody that had connected with him online.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe in a gaming room.

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Speaker 2: Most of the games that people play, they're not playing

745
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Speaker 2: by theirselves. They're playing with somebody in cyberspace, a real

746
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Speaker 2: person out there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: It could be any of these people.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean their best friend or their roommate or

749
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Speaker 2: their girlfriend that really know them. It's more that someone

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Speaker 2: could know of them, absolutely right, doctor Jeff.

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Speaker 1: And the scary part of that is you don't know

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Speaker 1: who they are.

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Speaker 2: They may not even be using their real name. Randy Harris,

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Speaker 2: did he play online? You mentioned games? My son loves them?

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Speaker 2: Did Caleb actually actually that night.

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Speaker 6: One of his best friends that lives in Colorado and

757
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Speaker 6: I wanted to correct you.

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Speaker 5: He's got a job in Alaska, not Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty exciting, you know, for him coming up this

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00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: summer and anyway, but yeah, he was on the phone

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Speaker 6: for week because I immediately got the phone records from

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Speaker 6: AT and T, you know, just like just like anybody

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Speaker 6: else can do.

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Speaker 5: And so I started looking at all the phone numbers

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Speaker 5: in the texts and doing, who do I see on here?

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Speaker 6: That doesn't make sense or I don't know, or I'd

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Speaker 6: punch him into my phone because I do know a

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Speaker 6: lot of his friends, and this particular friends actually in

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Speaker 6: Colorado's frings going to school, and they had been on

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Speaker 6: the phone playing video games, but without headsets the heat,

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Speaker 6: they normally would just call each other. So he was

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Speaker 6: on the phone with him for seventy one minutes earlier

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Speaker 6: that evening, like at ten.

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Speaker 2: O'clock, Caleb Harris missing. This kid is scrubbed in sunshine.

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Speaker 2: There's just no other way to put it. And mister Harris,

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how you were getting up and

778
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: putting one foot in front.

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Speaker 1: Of the other.

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Speaker 2: How are you in Caleb's mom managing.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's hard, but we're also a family of

782
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Speaker 6: faith and we love the Lord Jesus Christ, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where our strength comes from.

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Speaker 16: I cry a lot, but my wife is my rock,

785
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 16: my daughter is my rock, my in laws, my family,

786
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Speaker 16: the church, the people in the brothels, the people at

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Speaker 16: Corpus just an immense amount of strength. I mean, just

788
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Speaker 16: to have somebody donate a helicopter yesterday and today to

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Speaker 16: just go search and make sure that we're covering every

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Speaker 16: inch of Corpus Christy we possibly can in the hopes.

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Speaker 6: Of really not finding in you know that, you know,

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Speaker 6: we you know, that's what we're doing. We're just making

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Speaker 6: sure that you know, we're doing our part to aid

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Speaker 6: in the investigation. And we've have so many people that

795
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: have offered boats, so many people offered food. We've got

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Speaker 6: volunteer search people. We have friends that we've known, you know,

797
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 6: for as long as our as long as our entire

798
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 6: lives that are just involved heavily in supporting us. And

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Speaker 6: you know, we just feel we feel the love, we

800
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 6: feel the love of Christ just radiating and you know,

801
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 6: giving us the adrenaline really just to keep going. But

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00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 6: my wife, she's my rock and she's just been super strong.

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Speaker 5: And my daughter is just she's amazing. Her birthday was,

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Speaker 5: you know, Thursday seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I just you know what, so often, mister Harris, I've

806
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Speaker 2: prosecuted and investigated and covered so any cases.

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Speaker 1: At first, we keep saying it doesn't make sense. It

808
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: doesn't make.

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Speaker 2: Sense because, as you've read in the Bible, we see

810
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: through a glass darkly. We can't see clearly. We can't

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Speaker 2: put those pieces of the puzzle together. We're missing something.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys been able to amass ring cam, any

813
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: kind of cam from neighbors.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the police have done a great job with that

815
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Speaker 6: as well, and we've been assisting them. We're still doing

816
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 6: that today, just going back and double checking, make sure

817
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Speaker 6: that we haven't missed any surveillance.

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Speaker 5: Cameras or ring cameras.

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Speaker 6: Those sorry, those are critical. The one o'clock image that

820
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Speaker 6: you've been showing that was a ring camera from three

821
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 6: or four houses or apartment complexes. Not complexes, but little

822
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 6: duplex things down the road. So yes, we highly encourage

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Speaker 6: if eve everybody get out and look at their cameras

824
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 6: and take five minutes.

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Speaker 5: That's all it takes.

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Speaker 6: And I also encourage because we're finding cameras that only

827
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Speaker 6: that delete everything in three days, you know, change your

828
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Speaker 6: change your settings to sixty days so for future you know, uh, surveillance.

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Speaker 5: So you got it.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: There is a twenty five thousand dollar reward twenty five

832
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. If you know or you think you know

833
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: anything about Caleb Harris, please contact three six one eight,

834
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Speaker 2: two six, two nine five zero three six one eight

835
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: two six two nine five zero. Our prayers, our energy

836
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Speaker 2: and our efforts go on.

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Speaker 1: Help us bring Caleb home. Goodbye, friend, you