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Speaker 6: It is Friday, September twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 6: episode number thirty seven. Welcome to the latest edition.
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Speaker 6: We are alive from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star,
Speaker 6: and today we talk about Cowboys victory. Cowboys beat the
Speaker 6: Giants last night twenty to fifteen in the Meadowlands. Not
Speaker 6: a game that you necessarily walk away from thinking they
Speaker 6: were perfect, but a game where they got a win
Speaker 6: and they needed a win, and some of the things
Speaker 6: we saw, I think were very, very needed based on
Speaker 6: what we'd seen the previous two weeks. We'll dive into
Speaker 6: all of that here coming up over the next forty
Speaker 6: five minutes. As a part of this show, we'll start
Speaker 6: first with our normal game breakdown question, what was the
Speaker 6: story of the game, big picture story of the game.
Speaker 6: After watching last night.
Speaker 3: Bryan and Starthy, you know, it's probably pretty clear that
Speaker 3: you felt like that the way they played run defense
Speaker 3: was something that you know was much needed. You know,
Speaker 3: we've asked questions on the show about fit finish. All
Speaker 3: those things showed up last night. And when you're able
Speaker 3: to take an opportunity to play a scheme where guy
Speaker 3: plays down and then another guy replaces him, and then
Speaker 3: there's another guy behind that and everybody's kind of doing
Speaker 3: what they're supposed to do, you can you can keep
Speaker 3: a team from running the football on you. And they
Speaker 3: did a really nice job of that last night with
Speaker 3: taking their down linemen affecting the way the Giants. Giants
Speaker 3: didn't have clean opportunities to get up on your linebackers.
Speaker 3: Linebackers tackled very well in this game. When you look
Speaker 3: at uh, you know, when you look at what Overshown
Speaker 3: was able to do, just incredible. His ability to close
Speaker 3: and finish in the Ravens game, he had some missus, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Kendricks had some missus. This game. You had
Speaker 3: some misses, but it wasn't just backbreaking. And so when
Speaker 3: you play the scheme, you play it the right way,
Speaker 3: you have the right fits, you finish, then you're able
Speaker 3: to to to limit what people can do to you.
Speaker 3: And I think that's something that Dallas has to be
Speaker 3: really pleased about. You know, it got a little hairy
Speaker 3: there at the end with all the injuries and stuff.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know that was that was a gritty
Speaker 3: one at the end in the second half, and maybe
Speaker 3: you needed a little bit of a gritty defensive performance
Speaker 3: there because the last couple of weeks have been far
Speaker 3: from that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you talk about injury when we go back into
Speaker 7: next when we get into next week and see the
Speaker 7: first injury report, I bet there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 7: of names on there from the defense specifically because so
Speaker 7: many different guys got hurt. But a great win for
Speaker 7: the Cowboys. Definitely a tough one. I liked this. What
Speaker 7: I liked was that they didn't give up, that they
Speaker 7: kept fighting and kept their head in the game despite
Speaker 7: all the things that went wrong, the penalties, they kept
Speaker 7: fighting all the way till the end. Was it pretty
Speaker 7: absolutely not? And it's still concerning when you look at
Speaker 7: who the opponent was and you were still struggling against
Speaker 7: the team like the Giants. So but I'm gonna take
Speaker 7: the win. We're gonna take the win and then move
Speaker 7: on to the next next one. Something that the team
Speaker 7: talked a lot about was, you know, a short week,
Speaker 7: and we know the struggles that were happening leading into
Speaker 7: that Thursday night football as far as all the comments
Speaker 7: that were coming out the locker room, that could have
Speaker 7: gone south very quickly. So I think that them getting
Speaker 7: this WIEN just keeps them level because otherwise everybody, like
Speaker 7: the headlines today would have been insane if it was otherwise.
Speaker 7: But a lot of things need to be fixed for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it was a gut check game. It
Speaker 2: really was.
Speaker 6: And you kind of if you get outside of just
Speaker 6: the game and think about the scenario of not only
Speaker 6: what you guys mentioned from the standpoint of the locker
Speaker 6: room and all the talk last week, but go back
Speaker 6: and think about the teams that they played. They played
Speaker 6: Baltimore last week, which is known to be an extremely
Speaker 6: physical team, and what we noticed in the film was
Speaker 6: they loaded up heavy a lot and just basically ran
Speaker 6: at the Cowboys and just they took a lot of
Speaker 6: abuse last week from the standpoint of just the physical
Speaker 6: collisions that they took and then to turn around and
Speaker 6: four days later have to travel not have a home game,
Speaker 6: but I have to travel to New York. During that game,
Speaker 6: you had some of your best players. You had Micah Tank,
Speaker 6: Zach Trayvon Overshown all leaving the game with injuries. I
Speaker 6: think it's not a coincidence based on where they were,
Speaker 6: who they played last week, short week to then get
Speaker 6: up there and on a night when it was extremely
Speaker 6: for I think for this time of the year, it
Speaker 6: was pretty humid out there as well, so you saw
Speaker 6: guys cramping up like it was just a lot going on,
Speaker 6: and so for me, it was a gut check game,
Speaker 6: Like that's one of those games where it would have
Speaker 6: been very easy to be like, all right, my body's
Speaker 6: just not doing it tonight, and you start doing things
Speaker 6: that outside of yourself, not playing your role, not doing
Speaker 6: your job.
Speaker 2: That's not what we necessarily saw.
Speaker 6: It was sloppy at times, let's not make any bones
Speaker 6: about that. But the fact is it was a gut
Speaker 6: check moment. They in my opinion, they passed that part
Speaker 6: of the test and that's how they ended up gutting
Speaker 6: out that win last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you mentioned the sloppy part of
Speaker 3: the game, it felt like though, and sometimes this has
Speaker 3: to happen. The Giants helped you a little bit in
Speaker 3: that football that night, and they had some they had
Speaker 3: some untimely drops their quarterback. It's really strange he has
Speaker 3: lost the ability to throw the ball down the field
Speaker 3: when you're talking about the vertical routes and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: because when you watch the tape, you're going to see
Speaker 3: a couple of times where his inability to get the
Speaker 3: ball out there cost them an opportunity for an explosive play,
Speaker 3: a huge play. You got a little lucky on the
Speaker 3: other side, and it's a win. But I've just got
Speaker 3: to point out there's a couple of times where where
Speaker 3: late in that game, hooker goes for an interception, balls
Speaker 3: over his head and if it's anybody but Wondo Robinson
Speaker 3: standing on the other side, anybody with any length and
Speaker 3: size to him, it's probably a catch. You know. But
Speaker 3: you know, things like that have to happen in a
Speaker 3: game for you to win. You know, he he dropped
Speaker 3: a ball and a third down inside that you know,
Speaker 3: Lewis drove on and tried to knock loose and in
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks. It seems like every time
Speaker 3: that's happened, they've caught the ball and it's been an
Speaker 3: explosive play. Saints the Ravens. You know, you caught some
Speaker 3: brakes last night. Sometimes in this league you need a
Speaker 3: few breaks, and you know, and and good that you
Speaker 3: got him, But you're right about the gut check part.
Speaker 3: You know, you're you know, they got call ups playing
Speaker 3: crucial roles in the game, determining, you know. And I
Speaker 3: was listening to, you know, to Mike after the game
Speaker 3: last night, and he was like, hey, listen to he
Speaker 3: you know, don't look at it as call up. I mean,
Speaker 3: we were close on all these guys. I mean, so
Speaker 3: to me, that tells me that the confidence in Booth
Speaker 3: was confident enough to start him, but it wasn't confident enough.
Speaker 3: If he starts to struggle, we're going to pull him.
Speaker 3: We're going to pull him. You know. So they had
Speaker 3: they had options and and you know, their options actually
Speaker 3: stepped up and helped them, you know, get that victory
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 6: Yep, all right, let's dive into some of the details
Speaker 6: of the game. Let's let's start with the offensive side
Speaker 6: of the ball. Dak was twenty two of twenty seven
Speaker 6: eighty one percent completion rate, two hundred and twenty one yards,
Speaker 6: two touchdowns, intercept, no interceptions, one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 6: point five rating. It's the seventh time in his career
Speaker 6: that he's had an eighty plus percent completion rate game
Speaker 6: with two touchdowns. Overall, very efficient night, how would just
Speaker 6: says his play.
Speaker 3: I feel like though that when you looked at Dak,
Speaker 3: they did a really nice job of taking advantage of
Speaker 3: some things with the giants and the secondary. They they
Speaker 3: were able to hit some plays while they were able
Speaker 3: to get some protection because the protection wasn't always there.
Speaker 3: They left getting out there for a long time by himself,
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm interested to see was it. Were
Speaker 3: they so concerned about Lawrence inside? You know, I mean
Speaker 3: if you look at Cooper Bebee, the metrics will tell
Speaker 3: you that was a thirty percent you know, him being
Speaker 3: by himself, seventy percent double team, So that means, okay, well,
Speaker 3: who's helping bebe It's one of those guards. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: you know, they they felt like that that Geiiton could
Speaker 3: handle the load on the outside. And you know, there
Speaker 3: was some struggles there. Clearly there were some struggles and
Speaker 3: with the holding calls and things. But with Dak, he's
Speaker 3: able to you know, he's able to get the ball
Speaker 3: out when he needs to. He understands what's kind of
Speaker 3: going on on his you know, behind him over there,
Speaker 3: his blind side, and you know you could see him,
Speaker 3: you know, Lamb. They put him in the backfield. They
Speaker 3: kind of do some things to try and get him
Speaker 3: the football. They tried to even you know, you saw
Speaker 3: Rico Daddle run the ball, you know a little bit,
Speaker 3: and they just tried to do some things to help
Speaker 3: the quarterback along. He responded well with the throws, the
Speaker 3: accurate throws that he was able to make. Ferguson Lamb.
Speaker 3: They still got to kind of figure out things about cooks,
Speaker 3: you know. But you know, that's it's a little bit
Speaker 3: of a a little bit of a game too of
Speaker 3: like how do you have really first half offense and
Speaker 3: not much second half offense? You know that that's another
Speaker 3: thing that we've kind of It seems like, wow, Okay,
Speaker 3: they got things rolling nicely here and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden things just kind of shut down on you
Speaker 3: a little bit. But you know, but overall, I think
Speaker 3: Dak did exactly what he needed to do to win
Speaker 3: this football game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he looked a lot more confident than
Speaker 7: he did last week, and he looked more poised. Some
Speaker 7: of his throws were really good, and he was very
Speaker 7: proud about him hitting that eighty percent. Talking to the
Speaker 7: media after the game, someone mentioned to him like, hey,
Speaker 7: you got eighty percent quarterback rating and he was like, yes,
Speaker 7: he just did like with his fist, so he said.
Speaker 7: He mentioned that was his goal headed into this week,
Speaker 7: and that typically is his goal that he has set
Speaker 7: for himself to hit that eighty So you can see
Speaker 7: the improvement some of those throwing Brian, you mentioned Ceedee
Speaker 7: Lamb and I think they had a better connection. It's
Speaker 7: still not where you wanted to be. And also you
Speaker 7: mentioned those throws or the handoffs with him because acting
Speaker 7: as a running back it hasn't worked. They've done it
Speaker 7: how many times now, like four overall since they started doing.
Speaker 3: That, the read the option to read options people.
Speaker 7: But yeah, and then takes off trying to run. I
Speaker 7: don't know why they keep trying that because it just
Speaker 7: hasn't well.
Speaker 3: We always asked though, like why did he run more?
Speaker 3: You know? And then I mean maybe that's why you
Speaker 3: don't run more right there, But the Giants had that one.
Speaker 3: There were a couple of times when the Giants had
Speaker 3: you just good call. You know, you gotta tip your
Speaker 3: hat to them, like okay, you know that might fool somebody,
Speaker 3: but that didn't fool them on that particular play.
Speaker 7: But it's not like to me, like plays like that
Speaker 7: that hasn't shown to be uh successful successful.
Speaker 3: It's almost like that the jet sweep thing with the CD.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like over that right now with that situation.
Speaker 7: But the other thing is like when you look at
Speaker 7: a player like Hunter and you see it most of
Speaker 7: the time when he gets the ball or the opportunity,
Speaker 7: he takes advantage of it and makes a good play.
Speaker 7: So it just makes me wonder why not? And I
Speaker 7: feel like I always we always are me. I'm gonna
Speaker 7: speak for myself. I always get to myself too, where
Speaker 7: I see something that could be potentially good and them
Speaker 7: not trying to do it enough.
Speaker 8: And going back to branding.
Speaker 7: Cooks and some of the plays where we're always like, oh,
Speaker 7: why don't you get him the ball? Then they're trying
Speaker 7: to get him the ball, but it's not successful. So
Speaker 7: it's just like it's hard to get a full like
Speaker 7: a good gauge or grip of like what this offense
Speaker 7: should be because sometimes you think they should make certain
Speaker 7: plays and then what they do is is just they're
Speaker 7: not executed it.
Speaker 8: Executing it well, you.
Speaker 3: Couldn't have had a better game if you're Hunter Lipkey
Speaker 3: last night. And I say that, look at what his
Speaker 3: plays that he made, the third down catch that he
Speaker 3: made for a first down, it was third let men
Speaker 3: and he makes a you know, he makes catch, great catch.
Speaker 3: The fourth down run where he's trapped. What happens very
Speaker 3: next play touchdown the lamb the guy had. He also
Speaker 3: had three tackles on special teams last night. He couldn't
Speaker 3: have played any better or been more of a more
Speaker 3: important player. His plays led to bigger plays, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's and that's that's what you gotta You know,
Speaker 3: when you're when you're going to a game and you're
Speaker 3: putting him in there and you throw them the ball
Speaker 3: or handing the ball, and then the very next play
Speaker 3: it's a touchdown or a big play, you're like, my gosh,
Speaker 3: you know that that's what you gotta do. And like
Speaker 3: I said, on the special teams, you know, he's been
Speaker 3: really really good as well, so, uh, you know overall
Speaker 3: defensively though, I the thing that the thing that's gonna
Speaker 3: be kind of you know is I I'm just this
Speaker 3: is just the one critical thing I'll say with Mike's
Speaker 3: Mike could have helped, could have helped Guiden on one
Speaker 3: play that I thought about, the third and one play
Speaker 3: when they throw the ball, you know, and they get
Speaker 3: the holding call, just run it. Just you know, just
Speaker 3: you're at a point in time where you're just your
Speaker 3: defense has faced a lot of plays and you're kind
Speaker 3: of struggling a little bit, you know, on their end
Speaker 3: of it. Keep the keep the chain moving, keep it going,
Speaker 3: keep you know, try and just build something on that.
Speaker 3: To me, Third and one, just hand the ball to
Speaker 3: Hunter Lipkey, hand the ball to Rico Daddle. When you
Speaker 3: pass it, okay, you see what happens. Third and one,
Speaker 3: you just just run it. You got game in hand,
Speaker 3: you're kind of you know, you need to just keep
Speaker 3: going and decide to throw it. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you just put your left tackle who's struggling in a
Speaker 3: terrible position there, and he gets a holding call and
Speaker 3: it backs it up, and you know, you don't get
Speaker 3: the you know, get it. You know, you don't get
Speaker 3: what you need out of that. So I'm like I said,
Speaker 3: they got to figure out something about sustainability of the
Speaker 3: offense though, too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's take our first break. When we come back.
Speaker 6: I want to dive a little deeper into that run
Speaker 6: game because Rico Dondell, I thought, had some moments last
Speaker 6: night and I'm starting to I wonder if really the
Speaker 6: running game is starting to crystallize for us a little bit,
Speaker 6: if they should follow the tea leaves and follow what's working.
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Speaker 6: jump back in. Let's talk about the running game. Rico
Speaker 6: Dowle yesterday was eleven carries for forty six yards or
Speaker 6: four point six average. I thought they had some interesting
Speaker 6: carries too, like they're they're it. I think it was
Speaker 6: in thes either late third quarter or early fourth quarter. Uh,
Speaker 6: they had a drive where they head him back to
Speaker 6: back for like six yard runs, and I was like,
Speaker 6: this is the time in the game when the running game.
Speaker 6: I'm looking for those moments when you need the running game.
Speaker 6: Is the running game there? Because running don't have to
Speaker 6: be great all game. There are gonna be moments when
Speaker 6: you need it. And I thought they were actually getting
Speaker 6: something out of it. And then the next drive they
Speaker 6: come back and they got Zeke out there, and again,
Speaker 6: this is not a knock on Zke.
Speaker 2: This is not meant to be a knock on Zke.
Speaker 6: I think my personal opinion is I think ric o'
Speaker 6: daldo is the best runner you have on this scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think Lipke.
Speaker 6: Is a runner that can give you a little something
Speaker 6: that's a little different. He can give you a little
Speaker 6: bit more of that those power runs, and I personally
Speaker 6: think they should shrink this thing down and really focus
Speaker 6: on those two runners.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that, Brian.
Speaker 3: No, I do agree with you, and you know what,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't this is my opinion. I wouldn't be opposed
Speaker 3: to seeing what Dalvin Cook has and sit Zeke, I
Speaker 3: really wouldn't. Yeah, but I like what you're doing here.
Speaker 3: When they were able to run the ball, they did
Speaker 3: a really nice job with either Martin or Smith helping
Speaker 3: BB on Lawrence, and it really once they were able
Speaker 3: to kind of cure him that it led to the
Speaker 3: ability to cut the ball in through the middle of
Speaker 3: the defense. That was you know, and doubtle and those
Speaker 3: guys did a nice job. Even there was a couple
Speaker 3: with Zeke. Zeke had a run that got called back
Speaker 3: with a double holding call that gat BB and it
Speaker 3: was really it was actually a really good run and
Speaker 3: I thought it was a pretty well blocked play. But
Speaker 3: they secured Lawrence to the point where they were able
Speaker 3: to make those cuts off off that block, And so yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think, you know, I think with with
Speaker 3: Rico daudele Is as a primary back, I have no
Speaker 3: problem with that. I am kind of interested if they
Speaker 3: get things going up front where the combination blocks and
Speaker 3: stuff do work, that maybe that we do see. But
Speaker 3: I don't think they would sit and Zeke, I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't right now, and I'm because I'm kind of
Speaker 3: trying to get John Stevens active too, and I can't
Speaker 3: get him active as well. But uh, I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what they did in the end of the game though,
Speaker 3: that is to kind of keep it going. Instead of
Speaker 3: just a first run, they threw the ball to like
Speaker 3: Ferguson or they threw the ball you know, short, and
Speaker 3: it's like a six yard gain and then they run
Speaker 3: the ball and then it so it wasn't run run, run,
Speaker 3: it was throw it, try and get something and then
Speaker 3: come to the run with that, and it kind of
Speaker 3: it kind of you know, the Giants, you're you're instead
Speaker 3: of handing the ball off and the Cowboys last two
Speaker 3: weeks they get the ball handed off on him. It
Speaker 3: was a seven or eight yard gain and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: you can't stop the run. Dallas is like, well, we're
Speaker 3: not really sure we can run it well enough. So
Speaker 3: what we'll do is we'll try and throw, get six
Speaker 3: yards and then we'll run, so.
Speaker 6: You'll get into second or four. You can make that work.
Speaker 2: He got a.
Speaker 3: Little pattern with the way, you know, the way he
Speaker 3: was trying to finish that game with throwing it to
Speaker 3: Ferguson or you know, somebody, and then going from there,
Speaker 3: I liked what they were able to do all thatt
Speaker 3: Rico ran the ball tough yesterday. I really I liked that.
Speaker 3: I liked with his ability to cut behind those blocks. Right,
Speaker 3: that's the thing.
Speaker 6: He's got a little more juice than any of the
Speaker 6: other guys in my opinion.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I can see that. I mean, he's made
Speaker 7: those plays, but still we all know the running game
Speaker 7: is nowhere near where it should be. So I wanted
Speaker 7: to ask you guys this, we've been waiting to see
Speaker 7: Darvin Cook. I mean, at what point when do you
Speaker 7: think is the perfect time or when they would do
Speaker 7: or decide to make this move because I'm starting to think,
Speaker 7: I mean, could it potentially be a product of what
Speaker 7: they're seeing at practice where they're like, well, he's not
Speaker 7: simply anywhere ahead of the guys that we currently have.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I haven't heard. I've heard
Speaker 3: everything has been positive and everything is ready to go.
Speaker 3: But I've also heard some whispers that he's kind of
Speaker 3: wondering what's going on here too.
Speaker 6: I get the opinion, and this is just my opinion.
Speaker 6: I get the opinion that he is an insurance policy
Speaker 6: for them. I don't get the opinion that they just
Speaker 6: want to necessarily like they were just getting him acclimate
Speaker 6: and then they were ready to throw him in there
Speaker 6: and take them to what happens. Like, I think they
Speaker 6: feel like Zeke has a role on this team, and
Speaker 6: as you said, yeah, like I have a hard time
Speaker 6: thinking both he ands he correct if somebody's have to
Speaker 6: go down, And I just don't know that they're at
Speaker 6: a point where they're ready to put Zeke on the bench.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I mean, yeah, I just don't think that.
Speaker 6: I think they believe he still has a role for them.
Speaker 3: Well if that's if that's the case, then if and
Speaker 3: I don't know if somebody would poach Dalvin Cook if
Speaker 3: they there was an injury. But I don't necessarily believe
Speaker 3: that Dalvin Cook would be loyal to you right now,
Speaker 3: if somebody came along and said, hey, we'd like to
Speaker 3: put you.
Speaker 6: On your practice squad so somebody could come take him, yeah,
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 2: Willing to do it.
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not speaking out a turn there, but
Speaker 3: you know, I just get in the feeling some whispering
Speaker 3: that it's hey, you know this guy is he's he's
Speaker 3: like he sees what's going on in the Running Game,
Speaker 3: and he's kind of like you sure, you sure we
Speaker 3: can't do this a little bit better, a little bit different.
Speaker 3: And Io Rico is clearly the best back here on
Speaker 3: on the on him and Hunter Lipkey and then you
Speaker 3: know what they do with Vaughan. I think it is
Speaker 3: fine for his role. Flet's pick up on the on
Speaker 3: the fifty five yard touchdown pass is the reason why
Speaker 3: you were able to get the ball off.
Speaker 7: McCarthy has shown multiple multiple occasions that he's not afraid
Speaker 7: to sit someone out and like make a switch, make
Speaker 7: a change. So to me, it's just very interesting last
Speaker 7: night exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they had enough enough.
Speaker 7: But four games in now you continue to struggle. I'm like, why,
Speaker 7: Like it just doesn't make sense in my mind, why
Speaker 7: not just give it a try, just to at least
Speaker 7: see you?
Speaker 8: But he find out.
Speaker 6: What we've heard from them, and I'm talking when I
Speaker 6: say them, I'm talking about Mike, I'm talking about Jerry,
Speaker 6: I'm talking about everybody that talks on behalf of the organization.
Speaker 2: What we've heard from them.
Speaker 6: Is, I don't know that they think the Running Games
Speaker 6: is bad off as we all think it is. I
Speaker 6: believe that they are looking at it and they're saying, well,
Speaker 6: we haven't been in games where we really like the
Speaker 6: running game, like we've gotten taken out of games where
Speaker 6: we had, we gotten taken out of our last right,
Speaker 6: and so I think they believe our running game hasn't
Speaker 6: really been tested yet, so we don't really know.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying I'm.
Speaker 6: Not saying anybody agrees with that. I'm saying they're the
Speaker 6: ones making the calls. They make the calls, and I'm
Speaker 6: thinking that the way they're talking makes me think they
Speaker 6: don't think there's as much of a problem as we
Speaker 6: think there is, you know.
Speaker 8: And that's a problem if we see it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's their job to make that call,
Speaker 3: and we and we we talk about it. We got
Speaker 3: we got microphones and cameras and we talk about it,
Speaker 3: and that's what we do. And you know, sometimes you
Speaker 3: sit in that room, I will say it's from personal experience.
Speaker 3: There are times when I've watched when I worked for
Speaker 3: this team and you guys are having your shows. You
Speaker 3: guys would say something, or they'd say something on the
Speaker 3: radio or TV, and I would go, they're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: They're absolutely right. You know that is you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: you sit there and go, yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: don't know about that. But then there are other times
Speaker 3: where media members would say things and I would go the.
Speaker 2: Right and sometimes you come up to mine in Nick's
Speaker 2: office and.
Speaker 6: Say, yeah, I know, you guys are right about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right about that. I mean, see, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They they obviously feel like I think the running game
Speaker 3: could be better. I mean better, I mean better. They've
Speaker 3: at least committed to Daddle as the starter. It's not
Speaker 3: like they're waisting carry. I mean they had. Elliott had
Speaker 3: five carries. Like I said, the one long run he
Speaker 3: had came back because of a holding call, two holding calls,
Speaker 3: matter of fact, on the same play. But I I
Speaker 3: would I would be interested to see Cook just for
Speaker 3: the reason of is could he give you him and
Speaker 3: Daddle together? Yeah? You know, and I'm with you, you
Speaker 3: know I would. If you're not, if you're not going
Speaker 3: to play Cook, then I would say, okay, give me
Speaker 3: more Daddle and give me more Hunter Lipkey. You know,
Speaker 3: because Hunter Lipkey can get you four or five yards
Speaker 3: with his style, his running style. So if that's what
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm I'm okay with that, but I
Speaker 3: think this offensive line what I saw with them blocking
Speaker 3: on On Lawrence yesterday, and he's difficult. He one of
Speaker 3: the best nosed men in the league. That's a that's
Speaker 3: a problem you're dealing with. They did a good job
Speaker 3: on that. If you could block him, geez, you could
Speaker 3: block others in this league just as effectively. Yep.
Speaker 6: And I actually I'm even wondering, like how Zeke is
Speaker 6: taking all this. I don't know if you noticed this
Speaker 6: last night, Amber, but uh you Usually usually after the game,
Speaker 6: Zeke is one of the people that's immediately ready to
Speaker 6: talk to the media, and I think the media knows that.
Speaker 6: So after the game, I think all the media kind
Speaker 6: of got it there. We were all there waiting right
Speaker 6: by his locker, and he finished getting dressed, he put
Speaker 6: on his headphones, turned on his music, got his bag,
Speaker 6: and walked out, and everybody's kind of like, oh, guess
Speaker 6: he's not talking, which is very different for Zeke. If
Speaker 6: it would have been other players, you probably would have
Speaker 6: been like, oh whatever.
Speaker 8: Because regardless, that's right.
Speaker 6: And so it does make me wonder how he's feeling
Speaker 6: about his role right now, because it is a diminished
Speaker 6: role Brian. What it was week one to where it
Speaker 6: is now, No role is diminishing, and maybe that is
Speaker 6: maybe he is seeing the writing on the wall that
Speaker 6: at some point maybe that he may not be the
Speaker 6: guy that's acted well.
Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying, and Dalvin Cook is probably
Speaker 3: thinking the same thing. Well, why am I watching this
Speaker 3: team run for three and a half yards of carry
Speaker 3: and we're gonna sit there and go into week five
Speaker 3: and not do anything about it.
Speaker 6: It's definitely to me it has definitely flipped a little
Speaker 6: bit to where I think it's being established at Rico
Speaker 6: is the guy, and I want to see a little
Speaker 6: bit more that because, like I said, I do think
Speaker 6: he has a little more juice right now than anybody
Speaker 6: else that we've seen. But I do wonder how the
Speaker 6: rest of the guys in that room were feeling about
Speaker 6: the position.
Speaker 7: Seg was also, I mean we were standing there by
Speaker 7: the tunnel getting off the fields and Sege was the
Speaker 7: first one to get off the field by himself just walking,
Speaker 7: which again that's normal, players do that all the time.
Speaker 7: But it was just like you could see a different
Speaker 7: Something is just not right and whatever it may be,
Speaker 7: maybe it is what you're saying, Derek, that he's starting
Speaker 7: to feel the pressure.
Speaker 6: And honestly, I don't know. I've not talked to him
Speaker 6: about this.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It could have just been he just didn't want to
Speaker 6: talk to the media. I'm just saying it was different
Speaker 6: than normal because usually Zeki is very talkative when it
Speaker 6: comes to the media, even after games where he doesn't
Speaker 6: play well. And that's one of the things I respect.
Speaker 6: I respect the heck got him for that because.
Speaker 3: Not every player does.
Speaker 6: He is a guy that after every game he is
Speaker 6: willing to say, here's what happened, in my opinion, and
Speaker 6: I think he's garnered a lot of respect. That's why
Speaker 6: the meat he came around him is because I think
Speaker 6: he's garnered a lot of respect like that where people
Speaker 6: say when it comes time to talk, he's gonna be
Speaker 6: there and he's gonna be ready to be accountable for
Speaker 6: whatever happened in the game. We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 6: We will come back and we'll flip over to the
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball. See what happened over there.
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Speaker 2: At the start, I.
Speaker 6: Gotta admit I'm operating on fumes right now. We're going
Speaker 6: to power through. We got fifteen more minutes. We got
Speaker 6: to give these people what they want. Let's talk about
Speaker 6: the defense and the thing that jumped out to me. Obviously,
Speaker 6: I think for everybody I would have guess was the
Speaker 6: run defense last night against the Giants. They held into
Speaker 6: twenty six rush yards on twenty four attempts. That's a
Speaker 6: one point one average. And for those that will say
Speaker 6: the Giants run game ain't that good, well, I'll put
Speaker 6: it in context for you is this is the best
Speaker 6: run defensive performance that any team has had so far
Speaker 6: through the first three weeks of the NFL season. That
Speaker 6: is says that this was not just the Giants. This
Speaker 6: was an abnormally great run defense defensive effort that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys put on last night.
Speaker 2: My question for you guys is what do you think
Speaker 2: was different?
Speaker 3: The tackling was different, the ability to uh, you know,
Speaker 3: to ability. Zimmer and the coaches did a nice job.
Speaker 3: The fits we always talk about. You know, spacing is important,
Speaker 3: Gap integrity is important, Playing the edges is important. Filling
Speaker 3: for your teammates are important. Uh, being in position to
Speaker 3: you know, when you you looked last night, Uh, there
Speaker 3: are some guys that tackled really well in that game.
Speaker 3: We talked about overshown. Jordan Lewis continues to just amaze
Speaker 3: me the way that he's able to play too. And
Speaker 3: and I just bring up tackling. It really didn't have
Speaker 3: anything to do with the running game. But you know,
Speaker 3: when the ball gets in space, that that ability to
Speaker 3: limit what those you know, you know, we've seen it
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks that run after contact has
Speaker 3: been a huge problem. You know, if you look at
Speaker 3: the metrics, there was two hundred and forty one yards
Speaker 3: of you know, extra of miss tackles for the Cowboys
Speaker 3: this year, and and it's it's clear, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: very evident. So just they are a billy you know,
Speaker 3: Mazzie Smith and how he plays, and when you have
Speaker 3: a a confident you know, one technique that plays on
Speaker 3: the other side of the line of scrimmage. Last night,
Speaker 3: even Lynnville Joseph kind of when you watch the tape,
Speaker 3: Lynnville Joseph looked like now Lynnville Joseph played a lot
Speaker 3: of his career there against the Giants, probably wanted to
Speaker 3: show folks that hey, I could still move, I could
Speaker 3: still play. The first several weeks, he hadn't played with
Speaker 3: great range. Last night he played like maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit better conditioning, maybe a little bit you know, with
Speaker 3: the going against the guards here and you know with
Speaker 3: the Giants, it's you know their offensive line, they've got
Speaker 3: some competent players. They feel better bad. Their protection actually
Speaker 3: was pretty good on you last night. But Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: gets rid of the ball now quick. He doesn't hold
Speaker 3: the ball like he did back in the day. But
Speaker 3: the run game stuff, the fits, the finish, all that
Speaker 3: leads to better run defense.
Speaker 7: I just think they were more aggressive overall, and something
Speaker 7: that I didn't notice its physical.
Speaker 8: More physical.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the tackling it did improve since last week.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 7: There's still some bad ones out there that you're like,
Speaker 7: what are we doing here? But at the same time,
Speaker 7: you want to see some kind of improvement. And despite
Speaker 7: what fans or other people might say that, oh well
Speaker 7: it was against the Giants, regardless of that, it's a
Speaker 7: good practice. It's something that you want to see happening.
Speaker 7: It builds their confidence back up again. We will see
Speaker 7: about all the injuries and the kind of told that
Speaker 7: it took on them. But overall, what I like the
Speaker 7: most was Mike zimmer some of the adjustments he was
Speaker 7: able to make, and the players being able to execute
Speaker 7: it a lot better. People being more focused on doing
Speaker 7: their own job and working as a team. So I
Speaker 7: think everyone was more in sync in that regards and
Speaker 7: playing a lot faster, uh to where they're not just
Speaker 7: running behind the whole time. Over shown another guy that
Speaker 7: just man, he's so impressive just overall and the fight
Speaker 7: that he puts in in every single play. But yeah,
Speaker 7: just you know, faster and more physical.
Speaker 3: Even in the fourth down run that they converted. You know,
Speaker 3: you got a you get a penetrating tank lawrence that
Speaker 3: forces Singletary to have to They're they're they're set up
Speaker 3: to run the ball to the Dallas's left side of
Speaker 3: the defense. They've got all their blockers position in that area.
Speaker 3: Ball is going to the right. They're going to try
Speaker 3: and get this fourth and one. What happens, tank beats
Speaker 3: the block, You get a penetrator. Now Singletary has to
Speaker 3: try and spill it from the backside. Here comes Wilson.
Speaker 3: You know that that ball right there, Wilson makes that play.
Speaker 3: The ball is on the Giants half of the field.
Speaker 3: And now now they're in big trouble. Yeah, now they're
Speaker 3: in big trouble. And but you know, you missed a
Speaker 3: tackle lea foul. His angle was not the best on
Speaker 3: that one, you know, but they get the first down.
Speaker 3: But it just goes to show you that when you
Speaker 3: know some.
Speaker 8: Of his tackles. Though, man, that guy he has some strength.
Speaker 3: No, No, they absolutely see. I always felt like though
Speaker 3: this crew, if they're going to be good playing run defense,
Speaker 3: it's going to be the linebackers. And they didn't play
Speaker 3: particularly well as a group last week. This week they
Speaker 3: were much better. But your defensive line was much better. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that's why I did it for him, because
Speaker 7: they were lacking that kind of help last week. Is
Speaker 7: like you're exposing your linebacker is because.
Speaker 3: You're Mazzi was.
Speaker 6: I think this was Mazzi's best game as a cowboy
Speaker 6: in my opinion.
Speaker 3: John Michael Smith's the center for them is a is
Speaker 3: a very is kind of an undersized guy, but he's
Speaker 3: but he's a really good athlete and he could position
Speaker 3: blocking Mazzi beat him up in this scale. You know
Speaker 3: when he when he had to block Mazzi one on one,
Speaker 3: Mazzie was not having any of that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: There were several times where I just if I going
Speaker 3: back to my notes, I could pull four or five
Speaker 3: plays where Mazzi was a factor in the play being
Speaker 3: disrupted because of his ability to either get off a
Speaker 3: block or get some penetration in order to cause the
Speaker 3: ball to have to go another direction.
Speaker 6: It actually seems to me like going back to the
Speaker 6: fourth quarter of the last game, a light switch might
Speaker 6: have gone on for Mozzie because I think he had
Speaker 6: a good fourth quarter last game and it carried over
Speaker 6: to this game. And I think he, like I said,
Speaker 6: I think this was his best performance as a Cowboy.
Speaker 6: I will be interested to see as weeks go on.
Speaker 6: Now can he sustain this? Because if you can, now
Speaker 6: the Cowboys might be cooking with something. Now they may
Speaker 6: actually get what they expected out of this guy when
Speaker 6: they picked him in the first.
Speaker 3: See this is where Mozzi, you know, he fought through
Speaker 3: the back and then during the game he fought through
Speaker 3: a hamstring. More games of Mazzi fighting through things is
Speaker 3: could only be better in him having success because it
Speaker 3: could be very easy for him to got the low
Speaker 3: back kindness, gonna sit this one out, you know, not
Speaker 3: going to practice, not gonna do this, not going to
Speaker 3: do that. And you know, so you know, having to
Speaker 3: fight through and battle. A lot of guys did that
Speaker 3: last night. You mentioned about the game, and you know
Speaker 3: you usually go to the meadowlands. You're not thinking about
Speaker 3: guys getting ivs and stuff. But that was human. That
Speaker 3: was a tough one and they had to face a
Speaker 3: lot of plays. You know, think about that.
Speaker 2: They the Giants crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, this just shows you after the Giants got that
Speaker 3: fourth and one, they ran ten more plays. Think about that.
Speaker 3: You know, you're off the field, you're you're done, but
Speaker 3: you give up a first down and now you're now
Speaker 3: you're in a situation where you have to face ten
Speaker 3: more plays. You know, Thank gosh, the their coach decided
Speaker 3: kick field goals on the three yard line. You know,
Speaker 3: that's you know that that's okay. If you're going to
Speaker 3: do that, by all means going to keep going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when you look at just the with
Speaker 6: the players that they didn't have on defense particularly and
Speaker 6: at the cornerback position, and the way that they were
Speaker 6: able to basically even though they gave up some yards.
Speaker 2: And they were able to stiffen in the in.
Speaker 6: The red zone hold the field goals like that, That
Speaker 6: to me is a that's if you're going to stop
Speaker 6: the run, you're going to stiffen in the red zone
Speaker 6: and force teams to kick field goals. That's a formula
Speaker 6: for success. Like you don't have to be great. A
Speaker 6: great defense that is a formula for success, which again,
Speaker 6: after the last two weeks, you're just looking for some
Speaker 6: progress to where you're like, Okay, I see what this
Speaker 6: defense can be that could be successful. That is a
Speaker 6: formula for success.
Speaker 3: That neighbors is going to be a pain in the
Speaker 3: rear for a low times. Yeah. I mean that kid play,
Speaker 3: that guy is a you know, he's outstanding. They moved
Speaker 3: him around. The Cowboys played some you know, they trailed
Speaker 3: him a couple of different times when they had to.
Speaker 3: You know, the plays that dig the fourth down play
Speaker 3: that Digs made. I mean, that could have been a
Speaker 3: hell of a catch right there. I mean the kid
Speaker 3: kind of knocked himself out when he his head hit
Speaker 3: the ground, you know, and he got the concussion and all.
Speaker 3: But you know, sheeze. It's it's tough, man. I mean
Speaker 3: you you you know, you never feel about the Aubrey's
Speaker 3: going to miss a field gold and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now they've got the ball at the forty three yard
Speaker 3: line and you're going money, uh oh, here we go.
Speaker 3: This This could not be good. You know, if they're
Speaker 3: they're throwing at the end zone, here.
Speaker 6: Yeah you're thinking that. I'm thinking Aubrey's gonna seal this game. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it just doesn't happen at the at the time when
Speaker 6: you would have just like, I mean, it's so crazy.
Speaker 6: Now who got a point? Now we're get fifty plus
Speaker 6: yard field goals, You're just like, yeah, he's got it.
Speaker 2: I used the problem.
Speaker 3: I used to think, like, there, you know, the ball
Speaker 3: gets to where it's a sixty yard field gold. I
Speaker 3: was always leaning over to my guy Zach Walcheck and go,
Speaker 3: you gotta punt this ball. Yeah you can't. You got
Speaker 3: to punt this ball. Play defense. And then he knocks
Speaker 3: it home and all that, and so now I don't
Speaker 3: even anything.
Speaker 6: You know, he's just he's And by the way, that's
Speaker 6: one miss He's still up there as one of the
Speaker 6: best kickers in the league.
Speaker 2: You just trust him.
Speaker 3: I hope this isn't the stop it. What happened with
Speaker 3: stop It?
Speaker 9: You can stop that Evil Talks was missing extra point?
Speaker 3: Stop it? All right?
Speaker 2: I got one last question for you guys.
Speaker 6: If you had to choose between these two guys for
Speaker 6: the star performer last night, which would it be Missie
Speaker 6: Smith or the movie marve On overshown.
Speaker 3: Man. Overshown was all over the field, and I and
Speaker 3: I and I want to believe that you know what
Speaker 3: you should You should probably give it to Massey because
Speaker 3: Overshow is gonna have more games like this, you know.
Speaker 3: But Mose, it's like riding this roller coaster at six
Speaker 3: the bars, you know, the bars in your lap and
Speaker 3: you're like screaming going down the hill.
Speaker 2: That's when you're working with That's when you work with kids,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: And you got this one kid that's not very good,
Speaker 6: like you're working with him on sports Team one. Kids
Speaker 6: never get but he does something you just make a
Speaker 6: huge deal. Oh my god, you don't know. You gotta
Speaker 6: get back that great moment. You got to give him
Speaker 6: that love. But I'm believing in Mazi. I think this
Speaker 6: is a turning point. We're gonna look back and we're
Speaker 6: gonna say at the end of his career, we're gonna
Speaker 6: look back and say, you remember that fourth quarter of
Speaker 6: that Baltimore game. The light came on and this kid
Speaker 6: turned into a player. I'm just telling you he's gonna
Speaker 6: he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 14: Now.
Speaker 6: He may not be great as a one technique technique,
Speaker 6: it's hard to be great in the year.
Speaker 3: He played great technique last night, right, But I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's not gonna be in every week thing.
Speaker 6: There's not gonna be every week when a one technique
Speaker 6: is like one of the best players on the defense,
Speaker 6: or at least it shows up that way. If he
Speaker 6: can just do it consistently, where he does his job,
Speaker 6: that's all I want from him. To me, that's a
Speaker 6: great that's a great player. If he can do that
Speaker 6: at the one technique.
Speaker 3: If I told you he had one more tackle than
Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence, would you be happy about that? There you go,
Speaker 3: had one more tackle than Dexter Lawrence in that game.
Speaker 6: I didn't really hear much from Dexter Lawrence last Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's never been double team more in a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's smart.
Speaker 2: Worried about it, that's smart.
Speaker 3: But your left tackles out there out there just.
Speaker 6: But you know, I also wonder, I wonder if the
Speaker 6: reason why we saw so much from him last night
Speaker 6: that wasn't great was because this is probably the game
Speaker 6: where they've left.
Speaker 2: Him out on an island more than they have all year.
Speaker 6: And that's what you get with a rookie tackle when
Speaker 6: you leave him out on an island.
Speaker 2: But he probably learned a lot last night too.
Speaker 3: Every week is a learning experience. He is like his hands.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like he's in the movie Twister, like
Speaker 3: male boxes is flying off and man hole covers and
Speaker 3: he's in a car hits him, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's tough.
Speaker 2: What he's learning is. It's not like playing it ou.
Speaker 2: There are no off weeks.
Speaker 6: Every week you got a capable pass rusher coming in
Speaker 6: every week that you got to deal with everything away,
Speaker 6: no matter what. Now, the interesting part we didn't mention
Speaker 6: j Watt coming out right. Brian Burns didn't really he
Speaker 6: didn't do much anything.
Speaker 3: He had no pressures this first time, and I think
Speaker 3: in his career where he didn't have a pressure again yeah.
Speaker 2: With ten plus I think ten plus Russian plus rushers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which a lot of that was Steel. Got to give Steel.
Speaker 3: His credit still still has been solid. Yeah, still is
Speaker 3: riding the roller coast with him too. You know, we're
Speaker 3: in the second car.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 7: We've seen this in the past with the penalties, and
Speaker 7: that's one thing that we have not McCarthy has not
Speaker 7: shown to be able to correct those things in the past.
Speaker 7: We've never seen that until I mean the beginning of
Speaker 7: the year. This year, it wasn't happening too much. But
Speaker 7: now after this game, I'm I go, you know, but
Speaker 7: you know, I.
Speaker 6: Wonder if I wonder if a lot of the penalties
Speaker 6: last night were a result of the fact, again, like
Speaker 6: I said, coming off a short week, and when you
Speaker 6: play in those games, it's kind of a game of survival.
Speaker 6: You just kind of you just kind of keep fighting
Speaker 6: and you're not as focused, you're not as on your
Speaker 6: on you know, on it, because you're you're really just battling,
Speaker 6: like your body is not even ready for this and
Speaker 6: you're just battling through it.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was a lot of stoppiness. I
Speaker 2: don't know. We will see next.
Speaker 3: Week if we'll see that's me talking not to Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's all fair. I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things.
Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of things you can question,
Speaker 6: but the fact is, like there's there's ample reasonably that
Speaker 6: maybe that was an aberration. Let's see what it looks
Speaker 6: like next week when you have ten days of rest,
Speaker 6: you're still doing that after ten days of rest and
Speaker 6: some good practice time.
Speaker 2: Now we might have a problem.
Speaker 6: All right, We'll appreciate you guys joining us. We're going
Speaker 6: to be back next Monday and uh, well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: We'll find some stuff to talk about. There will be
Speaker 6: some interesting stuff that happens this weekend. We should do
Speaker 6: some picks today for the rest of the NFL. Give
Speaker 6: people something to look at.
Speaker 3: But I picked the Giant yesterday.
Speaker 2: I know you did. It's okay. It happened to next
Speaker 2: week like that sometimes. Yeah, you know, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: It might have been that way next week, but.
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