WEBVTT - Dependent 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.119 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:09.320 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:27.640 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.560 Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. We're here with 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:33.720 another episode. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.600 My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and you 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.320 know what we do on this podcast. We talk SVW 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.440 episodes true crimes are based on and not today, but 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.520 starting next week we will have guests coming back after 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.920 the strike. We're excited talking to some cool ass people, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:57.040 so stay tuned for that. Also a little announcement, we're 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.760 not in the time machine anymore. I mean, we're always 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.040 a little bit in a brief time machine because it's 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.120 not like we'rever recording the day before we release episodes, 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.800 but we will not have any more early release on 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.600 Amazon and Wondery and all that stuff. So now we'll 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.679 be recording pretty close to when the episode comes out, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.600 so you won't have to hire us talking about Halloween 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.840 in December. So that's exciting. Yeah. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.479 Sorry for the seven of you who maybe listened early, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.679 but you're you're out of luck now. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:28.480 So and we just got back from an amazing time 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.240 in Seattle at the Wet City Comedy Festival. That was 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.200 so great. Thank you to everybody who came out in Seattle. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.880 We had a blast. We don't have any tour dates 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.160 at the moment, but keep your little eyes perked up. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.200 And if you are interested in seeing Lisa perform, go 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.600 to that's messed up live dot com that has a 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.360 link in it to Lisa's link tree which has all 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.120 of her times in it. So wow, if you want 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.280 to set that up. Yeah, just changed our link tree 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.200 because your website didn't really have anything, and so I 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.720 changed your website so where it says Lisa's website, that 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.280 will take you to all of Lisa's tour dates and 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:01.120 you can go because that. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.440 Bitch is on the road. Websites are retro. Websites are retro. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.120 I don't know you have websites anymore. It's a tree. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.760 I still have tree, Like I don't really know why. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.000 I mean, I pay for the domain I have it. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.240 It's not updated, like I'd like to own whatever it is. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:18.880 But like, yeah, I don't. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.240 I don't do you go on anyone's website unless it's 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.120 time for tour tickets for somebody, but I still just 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.040 go to like a ticket mart, Like, yeah, I don't 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.840 go on people's websites unless your name is Vulture dot com. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.200 But yeah, I get buzzed. Really, I guess we'll check 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:35.840 to see if somebody is like legit if they have 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.640 a website. But I don't know. It really depends. But 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.640 I don't think that's the standard anymore. I don't know. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.440 I don't think having a website means you're legit or not. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.400 I think you have to have millions of followers, and 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:53.200 that means you're actually legitimate, A legitimate person just follow I. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:53.799 Don't know what. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.080 Yeah, because I remember when I first started comedy, like 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.840 getting a business card was thing you would do. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.800 Yes, oh I oh, I've had multiple business cards, like 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.799 a little cartoon graphic of me on it that says 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.120 caraclink dot com has all my social handles on it. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.920 Yeah, well, I bet you made a card before you 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:12.800 even had socials? 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.120 Maybe did you not? No, I don't remember. But my 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.600 first website, a friend made it for me. Like anytime 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.200 I had to update it, she had to go in 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.680 there and like recode. I was like this is terrible, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.240 Like thank God for like Squarespace. This isn't even like 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.440 an ad for Squarespace, but they should sponsor us because 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.280 I do use them. But like, there was a time 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.800 where I was really using my website for show like 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.400 dates and stuff, and now it's just like, yeah, Instagram, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:37.640 everything's Instagram. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:43.839 Well it's so wild because the girl Tyler Fetter who 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 made my first business cards and i'd buy art from 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.560 her very young, she doesn't even take really commissions anymore 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.040 because she's a fucking child's book author. Oh, like she 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.440 illustrates and writes books, and like I hit her up 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.840 for something, I'm like, do you do this anymore? 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.320 And she's like, absolutely not. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.400 But I found her like way back in the day, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.040 over a decade ago, and I just loved all her 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.200 art and yeah, Tyler Fetter, Well now I'm on her. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.560 Website, so yeah, they do work, I guess, because now 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.280 I want to know what she writes in case, oh 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.600 I've seen bodies are cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah cool. That's 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.279 the girl who made my first business card. Can you 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.240 believe it? Can you even believe that has a book 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.400 called All of or she illustrated a book called All 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.760 about Volva's and Vaginas and all about penises. Love that. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.440 Wow, this is great. Yeah, she's like a cool person. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.440 But she would make greeting cards and i'd get people. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.440 Like pets. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.719 Actually, our friend has one that I made for her birthday, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.719 Like I just made. I would, I would commission for 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.320 her work all the time. I loved Tyler Fetter, So 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.560 just shout out to her. And she didn't know that 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:50.520 that was going to happen. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.880 She has a little book that's called Are You Mad 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.279 at Me? And I don't know what's on the cover. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.039 It looks like a little ostrich and it's so cute 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.920 and it's like about kids' anxieties and I love that. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.520 Oh my god, shout out to the school who I 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.200 don't even know. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.279 Yeah, I think the future of kids are just gonna 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.440 be like I just can't wait to see their emotional intelligence. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.960 I'm already seeing the difference of how kids are raised. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.680 But it is just so good. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.159 And I don't understand the people that are like in 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.000 my day and it's like, yeah, you cried in a 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.760 corner in silence, like I don't. I don't know why 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.040 they fantasized about like, well, we didn't have participation trophies. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.320 Sophie buttle as a funny joke. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.919 She goes, well, I actually participated, so I don't know 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.800 what the confusion was. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.719 Like what I don't know. 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.479 I just like I don't get the attachment to harshness 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.159 or to a harsh life, or well, the world's gonna 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.640 be tough, so don't baby your kid. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.520 And it's like, well, who else is gonna baby your kid? Yeah? Yeah, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.360 like I'm I had them to baby them. But like, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.080 my kids will be wilding out in a walgreen, the 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:56.600 people will be looking at me, and I'm like, yeah, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.680 we're not allowed to hit them. Sorry, we just can't 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.920 hit them, like, you know, like I didn't do a 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.400 ton of shit my parents asked me to do because 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.000 I knew my dad would smack me, and like they 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.880 just can't do that anymore. So not that I want to, Jesus, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.800 I don't want to, but sometimes I just have to 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.800 let them wild out in the walgreens, you know, get 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.919 it out of their sister. And there's all kinds of 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.560 different like techniques and shit, you know, but just. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.279 Talking, I mean, I felt loved like I I you know, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.440 I my parents are great, but there there was a 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.440 moment when I first started therapy years ago where my 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.720 therapist asked me when things were wrong with you as 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.039 a kid or something happen, who did you talk to 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.800 And it hit me that it was nobody. Yeah, And 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.680 I was like, oh my god, I didn't talk to 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.000 anybody about anything that was bothering me. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.240 Yeah, Like what the fuck? 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.000 No wonder I isolate now, Like it's so clear to 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.240 me that now if something is wrong, I like don't 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:56.920 leave my house for days and don't want to talk 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.960 to anyone and like hide and the covers. But then 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.320 just one quick connection where I was like, oh, yeah, 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:03.800 if something if someone was like mean to me or 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.560 I cried or as embarrassed or anything, I would never 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.000 tell my parents. I would never tell my sister. I 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.960 would never tell anybody. Wow, that's interesting. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.720 And yeah, I remember talking to my mom about people 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.320 hurting my feelings like at school and stuff like that. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.960 But like, if I did something wrong, I would take 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.520 it to the grave. I would lie. I would just 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.600 like I was so scared of getting in trouble all 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.120 the time that I was like, I just like I'm 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.160 trying to tell Rosie, like even if you did something wrong, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.120 please tell me, like we'll figure it out together, and 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.080 I'm not gonna punish you, you know, because like that's 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.160 what you want. Yeah, and you know that's the whole thing. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.080 Like you shouldn't yeah, like you shouldn't yell if your 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.720 kid tells you something, because then why would they tell 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:42.480 you the next time? 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.160 Yeah? Yeah, you know. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.520 But then I always see people arguing in comments of 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.000 stuff and like discussions about this where it's like, well 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:54.160 you need a punish and it's like this punitive attitude. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.560 It's just not positive, and I well, I'm glad differences 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.000 is like people think that there's either punitive like screaming punishment, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.280 or there's gentle parenting, which is let your kid do 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.119 whatever the fuck they want, and there's a middle ground. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.400 Like a lot of people don't like gentle parenting. I 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.440 don't like general parenting. It's too much for me, like 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.800 to be fucking calm like that all the time. I 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.440 can't do it. Like, but there's they're also liars. Yeah, 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.480 but there's like so many ways where like you can 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.480 draw boundaries and even though you're saying like you like 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:22.960 I'm not gonna be able to let you have this 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.800 right now because you're throwing it and that's gonna hurt somebody, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:27.840 and I get that that sucks for you, you know what 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.840 I mean. It's like all this ways of like I 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.680 am sort of punishing you. You don't get the toy 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.600 you want, but I'm not like go to your room, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.880 or like yesterday I tried to tell Oscar he did 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.560 something so crazy and I go, well, now you're not 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.720 gonna have dessert, and Jared was like, remember that, that's 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.000 so far away from what he did. Dessert is in 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.040 an hour. He's not gonna remember what he did. And 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.760 I was like, you're right, Like, and that's the shit 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.160 they teach us on all these Instagram accounts. I just forgot, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.679 like you know because in the moment, I'm like, well, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.280 you just threw something at my head, like I have 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.520 to punch. I have to give you some kind of consequence. Anyway, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.480 this is a parenting blog, now, a parenting podcast, apparenting blog. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.960 Oh my god, well I'm not even a parent, you know. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.800 I'm just watching from the sidelines and realizing that, like 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.360 I was just going through my whole adolescence. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.160 In silence, and I'm a talker, I'm a chatter. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.040 So it's just it's so strange and I don't because 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.920 I remember once I called my parents during pandemic lockdown 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.880 and I was crying. I was like, you know, worried 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.600 about my whatever. And all my dad kept saying is, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.079 never cry. Don't you cry, You'll never have to cry. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.880 It's like, oh, you don't. You don't get it. But 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.440 I get where his say. I get where he's coming from. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.120 He doesn't. He doesn't. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:42.880 He's in a position where he's like, I want to 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.840 make sure you never have to cry. It's like, I 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:51.320 don't know. I cry, yeah, yeah, to tell you. But yeah, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.839 I just I wish this isn't an original thing. Where's 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.520 this from where it's like I wish I could go 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.440 back and like hold my like like hold our parents 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:02.320 when they were little alone. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.520 I know, oh my god. Yeah, Like to this day, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.640 there's there'll be people in my family that have like cancer, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.600 and I'll be like, mom, and we talked to aunt 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.520 so and so about that. She's like, no, we're like, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.960 and I'm like, we're just leaving it alone. We're just 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.520 not mentioning it. Like there's you know, her side of 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.560 the family is like Catholic and has all kinds of 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.080 like don't talk about it shit, over there too, you know. Yeah, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:26.240 the Catholics really hate to talk. Yeah, they really really 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.720 they love to keep stuff inside. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:34.240 Yeah, because there are pedophiles. Why else would you instill 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.160 a code of silence if it wasn't to make sure 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.800 people didn't talk about what you're up to. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.559 I yeah, I don't know. I mean like, I don't know. 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.280 I don't know why it's baked in like that. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.760 So like hard, Casey's waving the flags, waving the flag. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.880 Thank you to the people who came to our New 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.520 York show. By the way, this reminds us we had 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.000 a group of people that get thro a New York show. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.520 They were so fun and and actually one of them 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.920 has been on SVU, he's been a part on SVU. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:07.840 But they brought us these sweatshirts, beautiful material, beautiful quality, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.640 heavy sweatshirts that say the jizz is a match, which 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.440 is something Lisa said on an episode from last month, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.440 and on the back of it it says, we got 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.160 to start Casey's waving the flag. So these sweatshirts are 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.800 getting more and more specific. And we appreciate all of 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.319 the gifts you guys have brought to us. I don't 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.680 think you guys, realize how often I am making a 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.680 friendship bracelet with my daughter that you guys brought for them, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.680 or feeding them snacks that you brought to like package snacks. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.520 I don't take baked goods, thank you though, like except 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:39.280 we took one. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.240 We took one homemade item, but she was wearing glitter 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.240 pants and we just trusted it so. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:47.280 Well because we. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.800 Loved our chocolate covered fredos in Cleveland so much from 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.640 susan El chocolate tears that someone in New York made 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.360 us their own chocolate covered face. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.480 Yes, yes, and they made us chocolate covered oreos. It 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.720 was amazing. So everything you guys bring us is like 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.480 amazing and we appreciate. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.880 But also no pressure because sometimes we will come to 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:06.680 our lives shows. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.160 And be like I'm sorry I didn't bring. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.520 You or I left this, and like you don't have 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.360 you do have to anything at all at all. But 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.600 you know, gift giving is my love language, so it's 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.439 like I'm happy to receive it never necessary. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.040 And if you have a loved one in your life 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.080 and you want to give them a little hint to 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.800 Reno about something to give you for the upcoming Valentine's Day, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.439 which I think is kind of a bullshit holiday, but 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.800 if you celebrate, I've let our cute little get our 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.280 cute little college sweatshirt that we have on our merch shop. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.960 It's running out. We only have a couple dozen left 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.559 of the little It says it's that that's messed up 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.160 like collegiate sweatshirt, and then it says ambitious and tipsy 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.120 in the center, and it's super cute. It's very soft. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.040 I just got mine yesterday. I'll be posting a photo 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.640 of myself in it very soon. Did you get yours, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.680 Lisa to come? Oh? 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.160 Yeah, but it's like too small of a package. I 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:58.680 haven't been opening my packages in months. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.760 Yeah, it's pretty. It's packed up, pretty compact. So I 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.600 have it. I'll put it on head on over to 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.920 That's messed Up live dot com and that has the 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.960 link to our merch shop where you can buy that. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.200 There's also a few of the purple sweatshirt left, and 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.280 when the purple sweatshirt goes, it's gone. So if you've 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.640 been wanting to get yourself the purple sweatshirt, we're only 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.839 selling that until we're done. And Lisa and I wear 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.840 that on like every flight that we take pretty much. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.560 And yeah, and if you're listening to it the day 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:28.400 it comes out, one sixteen, it's my dad's birthday and 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:29.920 Jared's birthday. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.439 Big birthday for some of the men in our lives, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:41.360 our Capricorn our Capricorn men, it's their birthday. And I 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.120 don't know what I'm gonna get them, but I know, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.040 I'm like, I don't really get Jared anything, but I'm 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.920 taking them to a steakhouse. That's always what I do. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.920 I take him to steak And then our producer, cases 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.640 is on the seventeenth, so tomorrow, well we'll be doing 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.880 a birthday post for you on the Instagram, Casey, so 0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:01.000 you'll get some birthday love. Don't you worry, don't you worry. Listen, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:02.400 you know, on the new Year. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.320 It is twenty twenty four as we record this, and 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.160 you know, I just feel really lucky to have the podcast, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.920 and yeah, yeah, it just seems it feels great to 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.760 be able to have this podcast, and we really love. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.360 We love it, and we're excited for exciting more things 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.120 in twenty twenty four with this pod. Baby's yeah, but 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.760 I have no goals, so that's really cool. It's like 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.000 we'll see what happens in twenty twenty four. But I 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.800 have absolutely no goals. No, that's not true. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.080 I do have one goal for the year, once I 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.280 get my new apartment and everything. My goal is I 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.840 would like to host. I would like to have people over. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.240 I want to be able to I want cout chains. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.280 I want to maybe host to Thanksgiving. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:43.760 Like. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.320 My goal is to create an environment that I want 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.880 people to come over to. Okay, I will. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.480 That is my goal for the twenty twenty four year. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.600 Other than that, nothing, I. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.760 Would say we have a little podcast goal in that 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.160 we are going we like So if you guys saw 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.280 we made a pretty fun little TikTok video of our 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.680 SVU fans TikTok video, which, in my opinion, Marishka Argata 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 and the cast copied it because I don't know why 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.320 they didn't just do one that said we're SVU detectives. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.720 Instead they did we're SVU fans, and that's exactly what 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.600 we did, so I felt like it was they took 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.160 inspiration from us. But we are going to try to 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.280 do more like fun TikTok videos. If you think there's 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.720 a trend, you think it'd be fun for us to 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.800 do send it to us, but follow our TikTok. It's 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.440 a little bit hard on TikTok to find shit, So 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.160 ours is called not that's messed up there, because what's 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.280 hilarious is if you put that in, you just get 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.480 a lot of really fucked up videos. So we are 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.360 an SVU podcast. That's our username on TikTok and SVU podcasts. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.440 So just the second part of our podcast name. So 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.480 go follow us and like I don't know, tell us 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.520 what fucking little dances we should be doing, because we're 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:54.200 down to do some cool TikTok shit. Yeah that's a 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:54.960 good goal too. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.280 We want to make fun trending SVW content and I 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.160 would like to post gatherings. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.120 Yeah. So, and I those have to finish a lot 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.480 of projects that I've started. But I need to spend 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.880 I need to my I'm working on this with my therapists. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.840 I need to spend more time doing a little bit 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.280 more self care. And I know that sounds like really 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.280 woo woo, but like I have to not just like 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.280 block my day off all day long with like work 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.840 and then stuff to do for my kids and this 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.600 and that, and like try well, I. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:24.920 Don't know if this is I don't know if this 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.920 therapist is the first person. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.680 To do no no, no, no, no no, But she 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.120 and I are actively working on it. She's trying to 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.080 hold me accountable. Oh no, no. Many people have said 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.720 that I just need to like, you know, I'm trying 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.200 to not lose my mind. But let's get started because 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.480 we have a great episode for you today, one I've 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:50.240 been wanting to do since the beginning. It's a hot one. Okay, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.720 today we are doing dependent one of my faves. Uh 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.800 Season eight, episode fourteen. This Little Baby came out in 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.560 two thousand and seven, early two thousand and seven, just 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.400 like this one is one of those ones that feels 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.600 like a movie to me, you know, like lots of 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.000 interesting sort of like Twisti's and stuff. So we open 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.320 on a father and his young son walking down the 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.720 city sidewalk. It's nighttime, and the dad is Carrie Elwist. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.919 We got to call it out right away. You know 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.639 him from tons of shit. I didn't even realize what 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.840 an icon of my childhood he is until I went 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.760 to his IMDb. Like he's had a huge career. Princess Bride, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.400 I would say, was his big breakout role. He's been 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.320 in Hot Shots and Robinhood Men and Tits, like back, 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.960 did you used to like those movies like naked gun 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.399 type movies, like those parody movies, like they were always 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.040 based on like hot Shots is based on top Gun 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.480 and Robinhood Men in Tights is based on Robinhood Prince 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.280 of Thieves and like. But they were all just like 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.800 these goofy Why they don't make movies like this anymore? 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.000 I think these are the movies that led to like 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.400 scary movie and stuff like that, but they just don't 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.200 make them like this anymore. And I'm obsessed with these 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.320 kind of movies. I thought they were the funniest things ever. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.320 When I was younger, I knew them better, like Spaceballs, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.200 I knew better than Star Wars, like I knew all 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.359 these parody movies better than their originals. And he was 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.120 like a king of like these funny movies. And Princess 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:09.840 Bride is a comedy as well, so that made sense. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.800 Well, and he's Diane Neil's favorite guest star that shows. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.640 Oh that's right, it's like her crush. And they had 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.440 like a moment, yes, and she kept wanting him to say, 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.679 like as you wish or whatever. Yeah, and like but 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.240 then he's he does other shit, like he's very versatile. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.680 He was in the movie Kiss the Girls bram Stokers, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.600 Dracula the Crush with Alicia Silverstone, which is kind of 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.199 like a poison ivy type movie and Liar Liar. He 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.760 also plays a character named David Luckner and Seinfeld, does 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.679 that mean anything to you? I can't remember. I should have. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.560 I should have written down the episode. I didn't write 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:49.520 down the episode cells and sure, wait he's British. Yeah, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.719 I didn't know he was British. Oh yeah, carry all 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.960 was this British? Oh my god? Which is what's so 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.439 funny because I think he's really putting on an accent 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.439 in this like he's really trying to be a New 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.320 Yorker in this episode. And it's quite funny. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.520 So he's in season seven the wait Out. He took 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.800 extreme exception to remark that George Costanza made about him 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:10.840 in Beth. He made the same remark when he and 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.000 Alan saw George was Susan. I think it's the oh 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:19.080 you can do way better. Oh well, yeah, it's with 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.520 Zebra messing like they're yes, they're married to each other 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.760 and George jokingly is like, ah, you can do better 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.840 than this guy, and it kind of fucks with their 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.960 relationship and then at the end they try to fuck 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.480 George over, but George never wants to be with Susan, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.480 so he's like thrilled to have a fork in it. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.080 Wait, so this guy's really no and he's in the 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.960 original Saw and he was in the lightest Mission Impossible. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.480 So yeah, he's like still working constantly and like he's 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.800 had a career that spanned decades, so very accomplished. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.480 And he's hot now, like he's hot, he's been hot 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:55.000 for a while. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.360 I would say, yeah, he looks good. I would say 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.639 he did this SVU kind of during a lull, but 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.560 then he like a full comeback, like I think with 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.240 Saw and like Mission Impossible and stuff, like he's back, 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.760 but I think he was like away for a little 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:08.520 while and this was like his like one of his 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.000 comeback or his lull rolls when he was in this 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.359 and he's talking to his little son walking down the street, 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.160 whose name is Tommy. If you haven't been, if you're 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.280 new to the podcast, there's a conspiracy that too many 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.000 characters are named Tommy, and there are many many, and 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.120 one of our listeners is keeping track and has sent 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:25.000 us a huge list. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.760 I have a favorite Tommy. He's not it, but this 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:29.880 is a cute Tommy as well. Yeah, you know, yeah, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.000 this Tommy is cute. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.760 I like him. And they're like, the dad's like, why 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.560 didn't your friend's parents just call your mom to come 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.280 get you? And he's like, well, the phone just kept 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.520 ringing and ringing, dad and she and they're like oh. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.840 The dad's like she must be asleep, which you know 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.280 in SVU that's probably never the case. So then the 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.640 kid pulls the when are you coming back to live 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.840 with us, daddy question, and the dad's like soon, so 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.280 done done. There's some kind of domestic tension going on 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.280 in this family. I don't know if they're divorced or separated. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.439 We don't know the answer yet. So he's carrying the 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.439 boy inside and he's explaining, you know, even though me 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.280 and your mom aren't together, you know, we love you 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.840 very much, right, And he's like, can you stay over tonight? 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.560 And the dad's like, how about I tuck you in, 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.120 tell you your favorite story, And then out of nowhere, 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.679 while they're chatting, something glass smashes over the head of 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.240 Carrie ELWSS. He falls to the ground, and when I 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.119 tell you, this gave me an actual jump scare. I 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.000 was watching this in bed and I went, like I 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.840 truly gasped, And even though I've seen the episode probably 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.879 seven times and was expecting something to happen, the glass 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.600 shattering on him really made me like scared last night 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.520 when I was rewatching it. And then the little boy 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.320 runs away, screaming, runs to his mom's bedroom, tries to 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.199 wake her. All we see is him shaking like a 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.520 lifeless arm because she's covered in a comforter. It's really horrible. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.040 This is like so traumatic for this little boy. That's 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.520 why I feel like it's like a movie, because the 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:49.199 opening is really like trauma and like feels graphic. So 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.520 the little boy runs the other way, shuts himself into 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.679 another area of this very beautiful, spacious apartment, and locks 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:59.000 the door, and we see Carrie Elvis on the ground, 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.000 bleeding alive like he's moaning a little bit, and we 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.040 see from his blurry point of view we can see 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.040 a figure just standing in the hallway, but we can't 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.360 make it out. And then the kid presses some kind 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.360 of panic button and we hear an alarm go off, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:16.000 so cut to Melinda telling Bangs, Benson and forehead Stabler 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.000 that the dad's name is Sidney Truex and is still unconscious. 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.920 Benson is rocking, Bangs, Stabler's forehead is popping, and Live 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.720 is like Sidney Truex, the mob attorney, because you know, 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.280 like everybody knows everybody in this show, you mean him 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.440 of the ball bearing fortune. So they follow Melinda into 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.959 the bedroom where they have a very graphic body reveal 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.919 of Tommy's mom. They're like she was raped, sodomized, and 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.080 bludgeon and then they like take the comforter off and 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.600 you're just like, yeah, I can see where all those 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.600 injuries happened. There's just like blood everywhere. She's like lying 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:54.160 there like eyes open, very just dead. And Melinda goes 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.320 and makes it worse and says, not only is this 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.440 a horror, horrific scene, but this woman slowly bled to death, 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:03.360 so don't worry. It didn't happen quickly. So no DNA 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.760 was found on her because the object used to sexually 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.959 assault her was a candlestick, which they hold up and 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:15.000 show that it's really really graphic. As Stabler Stabler goes 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.320 sounds like this guy has anger issues and it's like 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.920 takes one to no one. And there's a partial bloody 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.959 print from a tennis shoe on the carpet. That's like 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.159 pretty much one of the only pieces of evidence they found. 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.240 Another person that lives in the home is Charlotte, the 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.439 sixteen year old daughter, but she is not home at 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.439 the moment, and Daddy Stabler's like at one am, and 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.320 the brother said she was spending the weekend at a 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:41.679 friend's house. So Tommy is pretty traumatized, they say, and duh, 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.199 but they held off talking on him until SVU got there, 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.160 so they go talk to him. He's super cute, this kid. 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.840 He's just like staring off into space, looking so like upset, 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.439 and no child is like a bowl cut. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.560 but of course no child can resist Olivia Bens's patented 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.040 tell me what you saw speech. He said, a monster 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.440 hurt my daddy, and then we cut to the credits. 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.359 So now at the top of act one, we're at 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.480 the priestinct. Craigan shows up in black tie. Benson immediately 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.760 rips on and what no top hat? And it turns 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.960 out he was at a city councilman daughter's wedding and 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.159 Daddy Craigan got pulled out of the after party for 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.159 updates on this case, and I'm like, Craigan, you're out 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.960 at a wedding after party at two am. What's going on? 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.760 So they're talking about motive. Plenty of mob people could 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.320 want to get back at Sydney. Could be someone that 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:31.960 came for him and didn't know that they were separated, 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.720 so they were actually looking for Sydney. Does anyone have 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.840 a grudge against the mom? And they're like, she's a 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.399 pharmaceutical sales rep. Doesn't seem like there'd be a ton 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.919 of enemies there. Hard to run a background check on 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.119 the family at this hour, and the daughter is still 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.840 unaccounted for. Finn figures out the friend that Charlotte might 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.919 be staying with, so at the apartment of said friend, 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.639 the girl is like, no, she left before I woke up. 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.359 I don't know where she went. And the mom shows 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.359 up and blows up her whole story and it's like, uh, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.720 stop lying to the police. Charlotte wasn't here and she 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.199 is no longer allowed in our home. And they're like 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.240 what's up? And the mom's like she used to be nice, 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.159 but she started lying and skipping school. She's probably on drugs. 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.680 And the daughter's like, mom, shut up, and the mother 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.600 is like, she doesn't even like your ass. She just 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.680 uses you as a cover story. And then as they're leaving, 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.840 the daughter's like, listen, Charlotte's not a bad person. It's 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.719 her mom, because clearly they both hate their moms for, like, 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.879 you know, being moms. This girl reveals that Charlotte has 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.560 a boyfriend named Ryan Beckford, but that Charlotte's mom hates 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.520 him won't let her date him, and that's why she 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.760 has to lie. And where does he live? And she 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.760 immediately knows. I wonder if this is true in New York, 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.240 that all the kids just know the names of the 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.920 buildings where other kids in their class live. He lives 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:44.359 at the Packard on First Avenue. So they show up 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.359 to this apartment. Ryan answers the door shirtless. He looks 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.960 familiar this actor, so I look him up and he 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.280 was on Guiding Light for like one hundred episodes, but 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.439 he doesn't act that much anymore. And now he's a 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:59.399 professional organizer. He says, he's a personal organizer to the 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.160 stars with a business called the OCD experience, which I'm 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.760 sure people with actual OCD don't appreciate, but I thought 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.400 that was an interesting little fun fact about this guy. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.199 He wants to know like a million trouble and he's like, 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.159 Charlotte's sixteen and I'm nineteen, so there's nothing illegal. And 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:15.840 they're like, where are your parents? And he's like in 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.919 Saint Bart's and his apartment. Of course the parents are 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.840 in St. Bart's. This apartment has like insane views, like 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.479 gorgeous views, which if he's on First Avenue, I'm assuming 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.239 this is just views of Queens and Brooklyn. And he 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.720 calls to Charlotte. He's like, babe, come down here. She 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.560 comes down a spiral staircase in a New York apartment, 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.959 just to continue to add how nice it is. And 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.600 she's like, ay, let me guess my dumb parents sent you. 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.640 And they tell her there's been an accident and she's like, yeah, right, 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.360 it's a trick. My parents are psychos who fake accidents 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.600 to get me to stop dating my boyfriend. And this 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:52.160 actor is Emily van Camp. She is a Canadian actress 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.240 who I discovered on the show Brothers and Sisters, which 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:59.159 was like an ensemble drama where she actually plays the 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.119 secret daughter of Tom Scarrett, who we've had on the podcast. 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.520 And I think a lot of people also know her 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.960 for starring in Revenge, which as a show I've never 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:09.880 seen one minute of, but I know people were really 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.160 obsessed with it. That to me seemed like a show 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.680 that was like Scandal pre Scandal, like a good soapy 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:20.360 nighttime show about like family dynamics and crazy, you know, 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.280 probably crimes happening and stuff like that. What's wild about her? 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:24.280 She's okay. 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.760 She was in a show called Everwood, eighty nine episodes 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:33.200 Brothers and Sisters. Yeah, seventy five episodes, eighty nine episodes 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.800 of Revenge, and then seventy six episodes of a show 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:36.520 called The Resident. 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.200 That's what I was saying, this is where does she find 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.360 the time? Miss? She's so famous, but she only has 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.680 twenty nine credits because she's always just the star. She's 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.919 always just a series regular and something that lasts for 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:47.200 like ten seasons. 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.959 I just can't believe she's been a series regular of 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:52.520 over like four shows. 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.080 Yeah, yeah, you don't see that like all the time. 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:56.640 Like I think most people are lucky to get one 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.040 show like that. And she just seems like she kind 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.760 of got discovered Ever Would and then like that's where 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.000 she was in something else before ever Would. That I 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.280 think was her actual discovery. But you know, just going 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.320 to do tons and the Resident I think just ended 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.920 last year, so she's working, probably getting so much money 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.560 in like I don't know. I don't think Brothers and 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.720 Sisters plays in residuals, but like the Resident might or 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.080 Revenge might like play in other countries or play on cable. 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.280 Who knows. So that this is Emily van camp I again, 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.320 I know her as a Brother's and Sister's Gal, which 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.400 was famously a show I stuck with for a long 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.040 time and eventually had to give up, even though I'm 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.080 very loyal to shows. The detectives are like, throw a 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.120 bra on and come with us, and she's like no, 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:38.520 And then Stabler cuts to the chase and is like 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.760 your dad's in the hospital and your mom's dead, and 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.760 it's really wild. He just like is like, all right, 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.480 this little brat's not gonna come with us. I'm just 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.959 going to tell her what's up, and I'm okay with that. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.360 Like she's being annoying. Yeah, the balls on all these 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:55.800 kids yeah. She looks like shook, shocked, but not like upset, 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.920 Like she's not immediately crying. She's just like And the 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.560 boyfriend's like, oh, babe, let me come with you. You shouldn't 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.960 be alone. She goes, no, stay here, I gotta go 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.640 be with my brother. So now at the precinct, Charlotte 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.720 busts in like Tommy, I'm here, and he bolts screaming, 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.400 get away for me, get away for me. So she's like, 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.200 what's wrong with him? And Huang is like, oh, he's 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.200 just traumatized, and she says that they have an aunt 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.640 in Riverdale they could stay with, and when asked about enemies, 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:22.800 she's like, come on, half the city hates my dad's 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.720 guts because of all these cases he does. He's like 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.800 a mob like he defends mob people. So we find 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.120 out that he hired a PI recently Sydney because their 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.680 home had been graffiti. They'd had their trash gone through 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.320 and like spread out all over the place, bags of 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.280 shit on fire in front of their home, swasaka's on 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.000 the front of their house, and then the family cat 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.520 was missing and showed up in pieces on their doorstep, 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.880 and they show like a bunch of boxes like they shipped, 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:51.200 like they mailed the cat or something or left it 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.080 on boxes on their doorsteps. Sorry, I know we have 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.720 a lot of cat listeners the trigger warning a cat 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.680 we never see has been killed by the mob. So 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.160 now we're talking to a mob specialist, I guess, and 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.880 he's like, oh, yeah, my top guest would be Luccio Ricci. 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.480 He's a sicko. His dad was Sydney's client, but Sydney 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.239 lost a big racketeering case for the dad and then 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.080 the FEDS took everything they had and Luccio blamed Sydney 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.880 for everything. So like, take a look at this hate 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:20.800 mail that we have from him, and it's like this 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:22.840 whole letter that's like I'm going to kill your family, 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.800 I hate you, blah blah blah. And the handwriting is 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.360 a match because this this mob specialist detective or whatever 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.000 has done a handwriting analysis. So they're like, well, why 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.640 haven't you gone after him if he's doing all this stuff, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.240 And they're like, Sidney wouldn't let us. He felt bad 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.600 that he didn't get the dad off, that the dad 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.040 got convicted, and so he's like, yeah, let Luccio have 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.360 his little temper tantrum. But you know, they're like, where 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.320 can we find him? He hangs out at San Marco 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.400 Hall in Little Italy, which is funny because I don't 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.000 really know if the mob actually hangs out in Little 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.640 Italy that much anymore. But they go into this place 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.920 and it's very sopranos Isi there. Okay, it's very like 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.480 I'm very much getting like a Sopranos vibe. Luccio like, oh, 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.040 that scumbag lawyer. I never touched a hair on his head. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.000 I was just playing like he admits to doing all 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.200 these like sort of pranky things. Unfortunately the cat was 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.160 a victim. But he's like, if someone says I heard him, 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.360 I'm being framed. I never did anything to him or 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.640 his family. You just ask him and they're like, well 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.680 we will, because they had just gotten a phone call 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.360 and he's awake. So at the hospital, Sydney has a 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.960 Liza Fave and all the way around the head bandage on, 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.360 and they're telling him don't worry, Tommy wasn't hurt, and 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.920 they're like, well, what's but they're asking him like what's 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.440 up with all these threats? And he goes, oh, you mean, Luccio, 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.720 he's like, yeah, I know about those, but when I 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.520 moved out of the apartment, the threat stopped. He goes, 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.840 you think he killed my wife? And he says, I 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.040 don't remember anything. The doctors are saying I might have 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.240 temporary memory loss. He remembers walking Tommy up and then 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.920 feeling a terrible pain and he must have blacked out, 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.640 and when he opens his eyes, he says, I saw 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.920 and then he hesitates. There's like a long pause. Music 0:31:56.960 --> 0:32:00.760 is swelling, and then he says he saw his running 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.960 down the hallway. It was Charlotte, she killed her mother. 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.320 But he goes mother, he's trying really hard to do 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.040 a New York accident. It's very funny. It was Charlotte, 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.480 she killed a mother. That's the end of act one. 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.080 Done Done. So now they're talking to Charlotte at the 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.400 precinct and she's like, I told you I wasn't home 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.600 that night, and they're like, yeah, but your father saw 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:21.680 you and she's like he's a lawyer, he lies for 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.200 a living. And then they're like, well, what's your relationship 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.560 like with him? And she's like, well, it's fine. We 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.640 get along fine because he's never home and he's not around. 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.240 And then they're like, what about your mom, And she's like, well, 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.160 her idea of parenting was locking me up so she 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.440 didn't have to deal with me. I had to lie 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.560 because she hated my boyfriend for no reason and would't 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.080 let us be together. So she says, we went out 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.440 that night to a friend's place. I got pretty wasted. 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.160 Then we left and went back to Ryan's place and 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.239 I was there until you guys woke us up. And 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.200 she's like, we need names from the party, and she's like, 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.880 I'm not dragging my friends into this a whole my 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.200 mom brutally got murdered thing, you know, like that's not 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.200 for them, and then lives like, you better make a list, bitch, 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.440 before we question every kid in the school. And so 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.560 we cut to a series of interviews that are true comedy, 0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.160 Like they're all these teens and they're like all with 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.920 creepy smiles plastered on their faces, just lying like no, actually, officer, 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.480 I was babysitting all night. Like cut to a kid 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.880 being like I was writing a paper, and like they 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.960 were all just saying whatever bullshit they were doing on 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.560 Friday night. And then this other girl they talked to 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.040 goes I was at a movie with another girl and 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.040 they're like, well, that girl said she was babysitting and 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.480 she goes, oh, I was watching a movie with her 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.320 at the babysitting job. And they're like, bitch, it's over, 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.640 like stop, and she's like, fuck, I knew we were 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.520 gonna get caught. We had a party and like she 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.959 sings like a canary, She's like there was a party, 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.080 you know whatever. And then now we're with all the 0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.719 psycho kids that were all lying, and they're all on 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.440 the steps like thanks for ratting us out sues. And 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.880 then they're like, we want to know what Charlotte did 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:52.360 that night, and one kid says, oh, baby blues valum 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.920 and one kid's like they just meant, like what she did, 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:56.720 They didn't mean like what drugs. Stop giving out too 0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:00.080 much information to the cops. So now they've moved all 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.640 of these four kids to a classroom and one kid admits, yeah, 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.680 the valume was my mom's. It was a farm party, 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.640 not farm with an f farm with a pH. Everybody 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:11.640 puts random pills in a bowl and you take what 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.960 you want. I have never heard of that, but I 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.000 do know my brother used to take my mom's pharmaceuticals 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.520 and just bring them to parties and they would just 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.160 see what happens. But I don't think it was grab bag, 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.799 like let's just like see what we pop in. That 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.400 feels like reckless, even for teens to like just not 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:32.399 even know what you're putting in. And then a kid 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.160 in a backwards newsboy cap was like, yeah, I took 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.560 adderall it keeps you up. And I can guarantee he 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.400 was the most annoying person to talk to at that 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.520 party for sure. And they all say what they took, 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.640 like I was doing this, I was taking that, blah 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.160 blah blah. And then they're like, what were Charlotte and 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.400 Ryan doing? And they were like, oh, they were skittling. 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.320 That's over the counter cold tablets. They look like candy. 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.719 You take a bunch of those and you're flying, I think, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.799 especially also if you drink with it. And then they 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.719 said Ryan also took oxy. Charlotte said she was going 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:03.080 to go home, but who knows where she was going. 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.319 She could barely stand, and Stabler's like, you guys are 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.520 lucky you didn't die, and the redheaded girl goes, it's 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.120 medicine from a doctor. It's not like we're taking crack 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.560 or heroin. And I do kind of love that this 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.880 show is tackling this because I think that the oxy 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.640 coton thing like got more big in the twenty tens. 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.040 This episode is from like oh seven, you know, like 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.719 people just like I don't know that people knew that 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.080 we were in such a pharmaceutical epidemic at that time yet, 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.600 and the show I'm like opposite. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.680 I trust street drugs way more than a pharmaceutical company, 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.560 right right, because. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.520 You just don't know, Like some people die taking the 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.239 drugs they were supposed to take, like they just took 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:46.239 it with the wrong other drug. Like We've heard of 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:48.640 so many people like that where it's like completely innocent. 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.839 They weren't even trying to get fucked up. They were 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.520 just taking their regular medicine and they didn't realize that 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.160 if you take it with X for a muscle thing, 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.920 it could fuck you up. So I am totally the opposite, Like, 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.359 but it is funny how this girl is like it's 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.480 from a doctor, it can't hurt you. And now Benson 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.160 and Stabler are having a chili alfresco walk and talk 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.480 with Huang and they're like saying, how Charlotte was on 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.080 cold meds and valium. That's not exactly going to throw 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.080 you into a rage, and Live says, well, maybe she 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.120 went home to grab more drugs and the mom has 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.520 samples because the mom's a farmer rep So Huang says, 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.000 they checked the whole house, but they forgot the basement, 0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.000 which he just seems to remember that they did that, 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.319 which is great for the television program because now we 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.160 can just cut to the detectives. In the basement, there's 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.480 a huge mess of pills, papers and shit are everywhere, 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.800 Like it's just like a pile of pills in the 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.960 middle of the room, which like shit strewn about, like 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.279 this place got ransacked. Huang says, any combo of these 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.320 pills could make you violent. The more pills she popped, 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.719 the more violent she'd get. Then our girl Lisa La 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.080 Pira pops up and she's like, we might be able 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:54.040 to figure out what exactly they took. Boom, there's peep 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.000 in the body. Okay, there is urine in one of 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.040 the toilets, and they're going to test that shit and 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:04.759 see what's up. So Melinda says, there's no DNA from 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.640 the toilet situation, but the but the urine was positive 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.400 for benzos, opiates, and cold pills, but the pills wouldn't 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.439 have hit her so quickly. Melinda says that she didn't 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.440 have time to metabolize them. But her blood alcohol was 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:22.200 point two five, so she was extremely wasted, Like that's 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.400 very very drunk, Like point one is like you can't drive, 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.279 and point two five is like two and a half 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.680 times that. So she was wasted enough to attack her 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.520 mom and not understand, Melinda says. And so then they 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.640 go talk to Charlotte again and she goes, there's no 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.600 way I went home. I would never go home. I 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.040 was high and my mom would kill me. So I 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.759 went to Ryan's and they're like, no, you needed a 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.560 pit stop once the candy bowl was dry. Your mom 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.600 caught you and you beat her to death. And she's like, 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.920 I think I would remember that. And then they're like, well, 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.439 do you remember what you were wearing? And she was like, yeah, 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.040 it's all at Ryan's, like jeans, a T shirt, my 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.919 green sweater. So now we're at Ryan's seeing Stabler gather 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.400 up all the clothes and then he finds her tennis 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.359 shoe and boom, it has blood on the bottom of it. 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.879 It gets tested and it was her mother's blood. They 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.600 put the shoe in front of her and she's like, 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.799 holy fuck, I was there. I don't remember it. But 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.239 then she goes, I did it. I killed my mom, 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.560 and then out of nowhere, punches her arm through the 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:21.879 two way glass in the fish bowl that we call it, 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.400 like the one way glass, I'm sorry, like the glass 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.880 that they look at through the interrogation. Just puts her 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:28.880 little sixteen year old arm right through it. And I 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.960 don't know how strong that glasses, if a teen can 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.839 just fucking punch right through it. But now her arm 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.440 is badly cut and bleeding. Craig, I also don't. 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.440 Believe that she doesn't remember or know anything, because like 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:41.719 you would try to hide that evidence, you know. 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:45.239 Yeah, exactly, would like leave a bloody tennis shoe. It's like, 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.439 your dad's a lawyer. You've picked up some stuff about 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.600 how to defend your like about how to hide your crimes. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.520 I'm sure you know. So Craigan calls a bus and 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.960 calls it an attempted suicide, which seems like a stretch 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.839 to me, Like I think she was just freaking out 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.800 and punched the thing. I don't know that she necessarily 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.080 thought that I was going to end her life. But 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:05.680 you know Craigan categorizing it. Top of Act three, they're 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:09.000 at the hospital Sydney. Trux is there. He's now he's 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.360 just he's downgraded from around the head bandage to just 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.720 one big bandage on his forehead. And he's like screaming 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.360 at the cops, what did you do to my daughter? 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.440 You interrogated her without a lawyer. She is in no 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.000 sense detective, Like the accent is so wild. I do love. 0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.840 He's just trying to cover up his Britishness and he says, 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.040 They're like, you said you saw her there, and he goes, 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.840 I had a head injury. I don't know what I saw. 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:31.799 You better stay away from her. And they're like she's 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.160 going to Rikers and he goes, oh, my dead body. 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.080 So now we cut to Sydney Walk and talk with 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.799 dian Neale aka Casey Novak and Kate. You know, this 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.160 is a huge moment for dian Neil if you can 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.480 go back and watch it and imagine how giddy she 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.279 is that she's getting to walk with this man that 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.120 she loves, and Casey is like begging him like, do 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.279 not represent your own daughter in court. That is a 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.640 bad idea. And he's like, no, I'm going to do it. 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.600 And he's like and I'm gonna win. He's like, my 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.680 daughter is a repress drug addict who needs help, not prison, 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.040 and and he says, the jury's gonna see her as 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.640 a victim. And Casey's like not after they see the 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.839 crime scene pictures and hear how Charlotte sodomized her own 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.080 mother with a candlestick, Like this is not gonna go great. 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.400 And he's like, well, I'm going for a not guilty 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.480 by mental disease or defect defense and Casey's like, all right, 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.239 we'll let Huang interviewer. So cut to Huang talking to 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.920 Charlotte in the hospital where she's recovering from her glass 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.000 punching incident. She says she and her mother never had 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.279 a relationship because the mother never had time for her. 0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.560 And it's like, okay, I get the herb's pharmaceutical rep. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.800 But like, my friend's a pharmaceutical rep and she's a 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.719 single mom of two. She's a great mom. Like I 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.000 don't know if it's like, you know, everything in SVU 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.120 is the most high powered pharmaceutical. 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.840 Yeah, but it's like, oh, she doesn't have time for me, 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.440 but also if I came home high, she would kill me. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.120 Yeah, it's like wishes yea, yeah, yeah, Well it sounds 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.640 like maybe she's one of these moms that's like doesn't 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.360 really pay a lot of attention to the kid and 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.360 spend quality time, but just throws out a lot of 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.960 rules and doles out a lot of like you know, boundary, 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.040 but like doesn't give back the other, like the loving 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.040 part of the relationship. But you know, I'm not blaming 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.640 a victim here. I'm just saying from what I'm gathering. No, 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.480 you're saying she deserved to die. I'm saying she deserved 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.239 to die in a horrible, bloody way and have her 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.960 son dangle her lifeless arm trying to wake her up. Now, 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.640 of course not, I just it's also not a real person. 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.879 But you know what I'm saying. She says they were 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.200 always fighting and they're like about what, And she's like, 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:27.320 what what do you want? Like teen shit, curfews, clothes, smoking, parties, boys, everything, 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.560 And she said the fights got worse as she got 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.080 older and she started fighting back. She's like, well, did 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:33.840 it ever get physical? She's like well, she threw a 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.480 pile of dirty clothes at me and said that I 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.080 couldn't go out until I did my laundry. I'm like, 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.960 that's hardly feels like physical, like a pile of dirty clothes. 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.560 Those are soft. She said her mom blocked her when 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.680 she tried to get by her, and then she pushed 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.280 her out of the way and she fell down the stairs. 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.320 So the mom said she popped a few viked in 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.200 and she was fine. But then last month, the mom 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.920 smacked her for taking money out of her wallet. She 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.759 said she hit her back and that stopped her, and 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.680 she said she never laid a hand on me again. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:02.719 So I don't know. I wonder if the mom would 0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:06.759 have gotten more abusive. But uh Huang tells Casey that 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.279 the mother and daughter had a volatile relationship that turned 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.480 violent long before the attack. This but it seems like 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.200 it was only a month ago and it was one slap. 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.640 I don't know if I can count the laundry, but 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.080 maybe there was other stuff. This plus drugs were lethal. 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.520 The rage was there even and the drugs would have 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:26.120 exacerbated that. And so Huang says she learned how to 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.520 use violence to her benefit, like a while ago. She 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.880 learned that violence is what got her what she wanted. 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.840 So then Novak says, now I can't accept the insanity 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.000 plea that I know that there's this history of violence. 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.319 Then she gets a phone call. She's like Novac sex crimes. 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.000 She listens for one second and goes, this changes everything 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.880 that was Warner. She double checked the yearine they found 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:51.120 and done done. It's from a man. So Ryan must 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.719 have been with her. Let's see if Tommy can I 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.200 d him. So we cut to this little bowl cut 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.960 cutie looking at headshots of deadbeats, and when he sees 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.480 Ryan's picture, he goes, that's him. That's the monster who 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.680 hurt my daddy. It's interesting that Tommy wouldn't know what 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.280 Ryan looked like anyway, like just from dating the sister 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:08.960 for a little while. Maybe I don't think he was 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.719 allowed in the house. I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah. So 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:16.560 Benson and Stabler go find Ryan. He runs. He's coming 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.440 out of his apartment building. They're like, Ryan, he runs, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.680 They chase him, and Stabler is a vision in denhim. Okay, 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.560 he's got a full Canadian tuxedo on. Ryan tries to 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.080 climb a fence. They fight. Ryan keeps throwing punches at Stabler, 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.720 but eventually Stabler gives him one big punch in the face, 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.080 gets him down on the ground to cuff him. When 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.120 he turns him over to cuff him, he realizes that 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.719 he's gone limp and he's like, turns him back over 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.600 and he's like Ryan. Ryan tries to get he's totally unconscious. 0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.520 He starts to administer CPR, but then Live shows up 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.520 because she's tried to head him off a different way, 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.239 so Lived has not seen the entire attack, but she 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:54.160 gets there as the cuffing is happening, and liv takes 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.800 his pulse and is like he's dead, and Stabler looks 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:00.000 panicked rightfully, so because like he didn't mean to kill 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.399 you get the impression. At the scene, Melinda's asking Live 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.200 questions while Craigan asks Elliott questions. Everyone is confused. Lives like, 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.560 I never saw Elliott use a choke hold, but I 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.160 saw Ryan throw a ton of punches at Elliott. And 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.000 then he's telling Craigan what happened. When our pal Bobby 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.879 Burke shows up. That's John Robert Burke aka Tucker from 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.160 IAB walks up. Stabler's like here comes the rat squad, 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.000 so we know IAB gets involved. You know shit's about 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.320 to get real. So cuts to an almost pitch black 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:32.000 interrogation room, like they have not paid their light bill 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:35.360 at IAB. Tucker and Stabler are in the dark, staring 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.000 at each other like with they truly light Tucker and 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.840 act like he is Darth Vader. Yeah, it is just 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.400 the doom and gloom is coming. They give him one 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.839 of the craziest arcs on that show ever, because then 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.800 you just like love him by the time he dies. 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.480 Spoiler alert if you're only on season eight. Tucker is 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.520 laying into Stabler about how all these witnesses saw you 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.440 beat Ryan, and Stabler's calm. He's like, no, I restrain 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.160 him after he attacked me. I used no unnecessary force. 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.279 And he's like, he got five punches in on me, 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.000 and then I punched him back once and then you know, 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.719 Tucker's like, so all the witnesses are lying, and he's like, 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.759 it's ten witnesses. That's not good and you should really 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:18.280 control your temper, Detective, he says to him, and Tucker says, 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.360 I can't risk someone with your anger issues on the 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:24.000 street and suspends him. Stabler's like, I didn't kill that kid, 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.120 and he goes, I'll let Melinda be the final word 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:30.400 on that. So Melinda's doing her autopsy. She's literally pulling 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.719 out organs, recording her notes with a microphone that suspended, 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:35.880 so she kind of looks like she's doing a science 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.880 y open mic, and Benson busts in like kind of 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.480 breathless like Melinda, and Melinda's like, I can't talk to 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.360 you about this, and lives like, well, do you know 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.560 what happened? And she's like, he bled to death internally 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.360 because his spleen was ruptured, and the only way his 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.399 spleen could have been ruptured is from blunt force trauma. Now, 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.240 I googled the spleen. I think I thought the spleen 0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.560 was like way down, sort of like where your abdomen 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.520 is up higher. It's kind of like it looks like 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.839 it's under your rib cage a little bit, like it's 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.759 up much a higher in your body than I thought 0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.680 it was. Benson is standing up for Elliott, like he 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.040 didn't beat him, you know that, Melinda, you know him? 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.880 And Melinda's like, I know what the body tells me. 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.040 I'm very uh, you know I'm not emotional about these things. 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.880 She wants Elliot exonerated too, but the spleen is the 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.359 only cause of death, and by homicide, and that's why 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.120 how she's going to rule the music intensive eyes and 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.360 lives like, well, if you can't prove he didn't murder anyone, 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.680 I will so live and you know, Live has these 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.000 like beautiful curtain bangs and ponytail. I do like this 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.640 part of her hair journey. I really like this part. 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.600 So liv goes to talk to Sidney Truex and she's like, listen, 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.600 I need to talk to your daughter again, and he's like, 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.160 she doesn't remember anything, and lives like, that's why I 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:47.160 want to give her a sodium amatal interview. And that's 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.719 also known as truth serum. They it's it's used sometimes, 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.600 but it's not accepted by Quartz. And he's like, my 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:56.839 daughter's a recovering drug addict. You want me to let her, 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.839 let you pump her full of drugs to save your 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.839 partner's ass. And she's like, well, if you'll recall, sir, 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.600 your daughter is still charged with her mother's murder. So 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.600 if Ryan is the killer, this will exonerate her as well, 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:09.800 because right now the jury is going to see Ryan 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.800 as a defenseless victim beaten by a cop, but Charlotte's 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.279 testimony could swing the guilt back over to Ryan. And 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.280 he tells liv Wow, you should have been a lawyer, 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.440 because like he's guessing that's like Live's whole tack and 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.040 it is. She's like, I have no hard proof. I 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.640 need to prove that Ryan killed your wife. So we 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.760 cut the wong, giving the sodium amateal interview to Charlotte. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:32.520 She's lying down, eyes closed. It sort of feels like, 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.680 you know, it sort of feels like Audreanna's ketamine thing 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.920 before she starts crying and going crazy. If you're a 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.799 house kettemine is in. It's in. Oh and it's done 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.200 been in. It's been in for a couple of years. 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.640 I have a couple friends that do it regularly as therapy. 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.560 So yeah, people are really experimenting with it's supposed to be. 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:55.520 I've heard kenemine and tried to reach the housewives that's mainstream. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:00.560 Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. But ketamine and exus. I believe 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.879 MDMA they're using for Like I had my friend who 0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.799 passed away a year or so ago, used MDMA in 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.160 her like before, for a lot of her therapy to 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.319 sort of like accept her, you know, her fate of 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:15.160 like what was going to happen. And she told us 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.600 a lot about her therapy doing that. It's interesting, like 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.239 what some of these drugs can be used for good? Well, 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.799 obviously kettyman is usually used to tranquilize a horse, but 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.360 you know it's also used in parties. So Charlotte is 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:30.400 lying there, still eyes closed, telling him quietly, calmly, everything 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.000 about the evening of the murder. She remembers the party. 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:35.480 She's mad at her mom because she said that her 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.160 mom told her she has to break up with Ryan. 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:41.200 That night, Ryan is xing, which I would assume main's ecstasy, 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:43.239 but I don't think anyone's really brought that up yet, 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.880 so maybe it means he's crossing like oxy. Oh oxy, 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.200 it's probably oxy. He wants more drugs, but there aren't any, 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:53.120 so he leaves and she follows him because he has 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.680 her keys. But he gets in a cab and she 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.399 doesn't have any money, so she walks home. The door 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.520 is open when she gets there. She inside, Ryan is 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.400 coming up from the basement with all these pill. 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:07.120 Boxes, just a little hokey, this truth serum therapy. Yeah, 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.000 it's really hard for me to get behind this. 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.360 It's a little bit like you don't really know how 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.040 to wrap it up, so you just kind of like 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.720 unlock someone in the memory, you know. So she follows 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.040 him upstairs. He says, give me the good stuff or 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.759 I'll kill you. The mom sees Charlotte and says, I'm 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:27.080 calling the cops, and then he drags the mother into 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.160 the bedroom. Charlotte goes into the bedroom, her own bedroom, 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.880 to lie down because she's so tired, but then she 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.360 hears her mom screaming. Goes into her mother's bedroom. Ryan 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.360 is on top of her, hitting her. There's so much blood. 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.319 The screaming finally stops. Ryan has something shiny, clearly talking 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.799 about the candlestick. He does horrible things to her. The 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:49.960 door slams, and then she hears dad and Tommy are 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.799 coming upstairs. She hears a crash. Her dad is on 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.400 the ground. Tommy looks so scared. I want to help him, 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:58.200 but he runs away. So this explains why Tommy was like, 0:49:58.239 --> 0:49:59.839 get the fuck away from me. But I wonder why 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.839 Tommy never said Charlotte was there, Probably scared because it's 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.400 his sister and she has access to him. I don't know. 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.600 I feel like brothers and sisters love to taddle on 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:09.799 each other, and if he had said she was there 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.840 would have saved everybody a lot of time, and honestly, 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:13.200 Ryan would probably still. 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:18.479 But so like siblings having issues as if they're close 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.680 in age, like this teen and this little boy aren't 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.480 gonna I'm gonna tell you know, it's like different. 0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:26.200 Yeah, because my sister's ten years. 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.840 Older than me, and like a lot of people have 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.080 a lot of physical violence with their siblings, and it's 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.680 like it would be crazy if this teen was beating 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.200 a young baby, you know what I mean. 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.359 Oh, no, not beating, but just like scared of what 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.080 she might do now that he's seen this violent thing. 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.480 Like I don't know, Like I feel like the kid 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.400 would have been like and Charlotte was there, and like 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.560 maybe there could have been a thing where they were like, no, 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.640 you didn't see Charlotte, like she couldn't have been there 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.640 or something like they deny what he's saying, but like 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.399 I think he would have said that she was there, 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.399 but maybe I'm you know, he was very traumatized as well, 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:59.600 so then she continues and says, I hear the alarm, 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:02.360 but then we just leave and we go back to Ryan's. 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:06.080 So the dad is hearing this whole thing, and he's stunned. Also, 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.399 don't you have to think that Ryan was probably so 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.160 psyched when he woke up in the morning and realized 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.920 his girlfriend didn't remember a goddamn thing, Like he was 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.160 probably like so about last night and she's like, yeah, 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.160 that party was crazy, right, and he's like, cool, you 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:23.640 don't remember anything, Like so, if Ryan did it, then 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.400 why did Charlotte confess, live, asks Huang, and Huang's like, well, 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.960 she was high. She has no conscious memory of the murder. 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.480 She just felt guilty and she confessed and her blood 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:34.160 was on the tennis shoes. She thought, oh, I must 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.360 have done this. It is still pretty wild to confess 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:40.200 something you have no memory of. But the dad is 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.919 shocked and he was like, he was like, you know what, 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:44.839 I was going to try to get her off of this, 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.560 but even though deep down I thought she did do it. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:50.440 And I think he's just like happy and relieved to 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:52.360 hear that she didn't do it. But he was like, 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:54.000 I was going to use all my fucking law tricks 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:55.440 to get her off, even if she is a cold 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:58.000 blooded murderer who killed my wife and did horrific things 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.520 with her body. So Casey are having another like late 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.920 night chat that we've seen before. Casey's like, well, the 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.440 sodium amtal interview is not admissible in court, but it's 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.760 enough to convince me, so I'll drop the murder charge. 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.480 Didn't realize that could happen. But IAB isn't going to 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.120 ruin Elliott's career because some murder died in his custody. 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.399 And a guy comes by and is like, Casey, turn 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:22.160 on channel ten and then and there's cell phone footage 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.800 of Stabler and Ryan's scuffle and it's on the news. 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:28.000 Ryan's family wants Elliott charged with his murder because there's 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:30.880 Saint Bart's rich family there. Obviously, like, hold the cops accountable, 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.200 even though our son might be a murderer. Casey goes again, 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.320 this changes everything, and it's the second time in the 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.440 episode she said that, And now IAB is going to 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.480 have to go after Elliott. She says, like, there's no 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.040 way they can sweep this under the rug now that 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.760 it's gotten so public and that there's video of the scuffle. 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:47.880 So liv gets a call and she's like, I'll be 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.440 right there. So now she's at IAB for her interview 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.920 in the darkness, and Tucker is asking her questions. She says, 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:59.200 Elliott is always professional. I support his actions and his decisions. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.279 They start going through Elliott's whole explosive pass like what 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.160 about the time he did this, What about the time 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.520 he did that? Every time he lives like that was 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.239 to stop a child from who was kidnapped, That was 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.200 to stop a child predator, like everything. She has a 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.239 full answer for every single one, and then even after 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.160 one of them she goes, well, after that one, he 0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:20.480 went into counseling. So Olivia is telling him like, look, 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:22.600 we work in SVU, we got to do what we 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.160 ought to do. This is about kids, people that are 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:29.560 vulnerable victims. Meanwhile, Elliott is like, we're cutting to scenes 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:33.439 of Elliott at an apartment getting drunk at the time 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.160 of Olivia's interview. It's like overlaid over it. And if 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.799 you'll remember, Elliott is not at this moment living at 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:42.080 home with Kathy. They are separated, and because he is 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:44.640 too married do his job and his marriage and his 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.160 family life is suffering. Blah, blah blah. So Tucker brings 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:51.759 up like every single time stable across the line, it's 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.919 so many times, yeah I said that, and then she goes, 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.680 my partner is not a killer. So now in Cragan's office, 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:02.560 Elliot is basically giving up. He's like, yeah, listen, IAB's 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.200 suspended me. The press has me already convicted. The grand 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:07.640 jury's totally going to indict, Like that's a rap. Folks 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.440 like Elliot's just not going to fight for himself and 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.520 Live and Craigan are like, no, you have to fight, 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.239 and he's like it's over. So now we're at Elliott's 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.960 bachelor pad and he's like watching the footage over and 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:19.800 over again, like trying to figure out like where he 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.399 went wrong, like what did I do to this kid 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:24.640 to kill him? And there's a knock at the door 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.800 and it's Melinda. She's like, I just heard. I'm so sorry, Elliott, 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:30.959 and I think she just heard. I don't know that 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:33.200 the grand jury's going to go through. Yes, that IAB 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:34.640 is going to like push for the grand jury and 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.600 he's going to go to trial. And he says, whatever, 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:39.239 you were doing your job, I wouldn't ask you to 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.160 do anything different. So he's looking at the footage over 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:43.759 and over and she sees him and she goes, don't 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.160 torture yourself, and he goes, I never tried to hurt Ryan. 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:47.920 I tried to save him. And Warner's like, what do 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:49.960 you mean, and he goes, well, I gave him CPR. 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.640 And Warner's like, well, no one told me that that 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.280 changes everything. Literally, for the third time in the episode, 0:54:56.360 --> 0:55:00.680 someone goes that changes everything, which is funny because my 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.759 husband and I say that there's always a point in 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.799 every movie where someone says something like that, and we 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.919 always use the movie Pollock, where Lily Taylor's character goes, 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:13.479 you just blew the She goes, Pollock, you just blew 0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:15.840 the whole thing wide open, and like we say that 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:18.759 all the time whenever there's like a whoa, you just 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.279 changed the whole game. You know, there's always lines like 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.000 that in movies and stuff. So they're killing that line 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.320 three times in this episode. The chess compressions, Melinda says, 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.799 are what could have ruptured the spleen. That's when I 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.520 googled the spleen. I was like, where's the spleen? And 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.680 it's not far from where you would be doing chess compressions. 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:37.239 So Elliot's like, well, I had to do something. You 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:40.200 stopped breathing, and Melinda's like, well, so he was dead 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.120 before you ruptured his spleen. Then, so what killed him? 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.759 And She's like, I didn't miss anything on autopsy. So 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:48.279 he gives Melinda all the records and these two get 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:50.959 down to a full like Homeland. They're about to start 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.839 a board with red string on it, like these two 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:56.160 are just going through files. They're crumpling up papers that 0:55:56.200 --> 0:55:58.800 are irrelevant, like these two are about to order a pizza. 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:03.320 And then they realized from the toxicology he was on oxy, 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.440 ecstasy and cold tablets. So I guess xing is when 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.560 you're doing oxy and X And what else was in 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.759 the candy bowl? And Elliott tells her valuum riddle in 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:17.960 propranolol and vicotin and she goes, wait a second, propranolol 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.359 is for people with heart problems. I need to see 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.560 his medical records. So cut to trial. Melinda's on the 0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:27.239 stand saying explaining that Ryan had been diagnosed with a 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:31.680 cardiac condition called long QT syndrome, an abnormal heart thing 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.520 that can lead to cardiac arrest. Why were his medical 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.960 records never examined previously. Is that not relevant to an autopsy? 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.600 It seems like that would have that's would have made sense. 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.520 It wasn't originally in her report because you can't see 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:48.239 an arrhythmia on an autopsy. So he had a prescription, 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:50.879 but he wasn't taking his meds. He was donating them 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:54.200 to this party. So the stress of running from Elliott 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.239 triggered the arrhythmia that killed him. Ryan, it turns out, 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.560 brought propranolol to the farm party, which is really not 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:01.279 fun for anybody. It's not the kind of stuff you 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.319 bring to like get high and have fun. So now 0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.200 we're outside of the courtroom and a guy comes out 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.920 and tells Elliot the jury's voted. You're all good, so 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:12.600 he didn't get indicted, and you know, Elliott says thanks 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:16.120 Live says welcome back. And then Elliott shows up at 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.880 home his house with Kathy and says, Kathy, we need 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:21.320 to talk. She says, I saw the news. I knew 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:22.840 you didn't kill that boy, but it's like, did you 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:25.360 not reach out? Like he's still still married. He's like 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:29.680 on trial, he might go to jail, and he's like 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.280 it's been a rough couple of days, and I've been 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:34.040 thinking about what's important to me. I love my job 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.320 and I love my family, and I almost lost both 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.400 of them, and I want to come home. And Kathy 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:40.520 gives like a face like she's thinking about it, but 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:44.120 looks like she's leaning towards being like, no problem. And 0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:48.640 that's dick wolf baby, But I can see This episode 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:53.520 to me feels like one of the most Bencelur heavy 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:55.840 episodes where I can see why people think they're in 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:59.520 love because she stops at nothing. She's like, there's no 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:01.600 way he can have done this. It's like you've seen 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:03.800 him use success of force a million times, but you're like, 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.600 not my partner. There's just no way, Like she can't 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:08.960 imagine working without him. If you're one of these people 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.600 that ships the two of them, this episode's gonna give 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:14.080 you a huge boner because she's fighting for him, fighting 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:15.960 for him, fighting for him, and then when all her 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:19.320 work pays off and she basically gets him exonerated, he 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.920 goes home to Kathy, which is another blow for the 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.120 Benchler people, you know, because that's not what they want 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:26.560 to happen. 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:30.080 So I also really this episode, like when they go 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:33.560 against Melinda in anyway like off with their heads. 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.360 Yeah, I when they're like, come on, you know, he 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:36.840 didn't do it. 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.280 And it's like she could just only go off the evidence, 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.640 you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:42.880 will continue to fight. 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.240 But it's like it is crazy because it's like the 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.960 CPR was probably on the video footage, Like no one 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.520 knew about the CPR. Like a lot of times when 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.160 you get people's CPR, you like crack their sternum, Like 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.520 I don't know, I just would have assumed that that 0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:00.680 would have been included or like, oh the detail he 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:03.720 was not breathing when I turned him over, like so 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.280 he was dead before this CPR. So I don't know, 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:09.880 but I love this episode. It's a wild one. Glad 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.320 we got to do it. Yeah, and I know nothing 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:20.560 about this case, so stay tuned for Lisa's full report. 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.160 So this is like fucked because the case is so dark, 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:27.520 so twisted, so fucked up. 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:30.680 Barely any information, oh my god. 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.840 Like the two papers I found, one was in New 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:36.080 Zealand and one seems like a ragmag And we'll get 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:39.840 into why. Like there's something with Canada where you can't 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:40.760 publish names. 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:41.360 But it's like. 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:45.720 It is wild how limited information it is because the 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:49.120 crime is pretty horrific. So yeah, I don't know, maybe 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:52.080 I've lost my touch, but it was really hard finding 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:56.280 information about this. So it happened in Canada, southeast Alberta 0:59:56.320 --> 1:00:00.280 along the South Saskatchewan River. And that's not that I'm in, 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.760 but I did want to prove that I could say Saskatchewan, 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:06.680 so that's why I put it in. And So this 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:11.160 girl's name is Jasmine Richardson and she is the youngest 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:14.160 person ever in Canada ever convicted of a multiple first 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:17.960 degree murder counts, So that's her claim to fame. So 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:20.439 April twenty third, two thousand and six, a young boy 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:23.160 saw bodies through the window of the Richardson family home 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:27.640 and that is what prompted, you know, authorities to come. 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:32.080 So what was inside was that the previous night, Jasmine Richardson, 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:36.680 twelve years old, stabbed her brother, Jacob, aged eight, to death, 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.880 while her boyfriend killed her mom and dad. 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.960 Her boyfriend, thank god, Tommy made it through. I know, 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.840 in real life, the in face, but the real boy. 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:50.840 So her boyfriend was twenty three years old and she 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:54.600 is twelve EWW So obviously her parents did not want 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:55.400 them to be together. 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.840 Yes, so, and he. 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:01.520 Described he's like a god and he considered himself a 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:06.280 three hundred year old were wolf vampire, so that's what 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.520 he thought his being was. And so obviously her parents 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:11.760 were like, can you not go out with this twenty 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.280 three year old who thinks he's a vampire were wolf 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:18.720 who's three hundred years olds? Okay, So he was murdering 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.920 the parents while she was killing her brother. He snuck 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.200 him through the basement with a ski mask on and 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.640 he had two knives with him. The mom heard a 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.120 noise and went downstairs to investigate. That's when he began 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:33.440 stabbing her, and her screams are what woke up her husband, 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:36.040 and so then he went down and he was violently 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:40.160 stabbed as well. So this dude stabbed the mother, Deborah Richardson, 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:44.720 twelve times, including a twelve centimeter deep piercing in her heart. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:46.840 Oh god, that is deep. 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:52.160 Yeah, and then stabbed the father, Mark Richardson twenty four times, 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:56.600 including nine stabs in his back. The dad asked, why 1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:59.120 are you doing this, and he said it was your 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:02.640 daughter who wanted it. And this is according to the 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:05.560 Daily Star. And I don't know how they would know 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:08.400 this detail. Maybe it came out in court, but this 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:13.800 just seems maybe maybe he said it, like in why 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:17.200 am I forgetting the word interrogation whatever. So the brother 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:21.800 was upstairs holding his lightsaber across his chest at in 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:23.320 his room like so scared. 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:24.320 And then so. 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.680 This is another So then the you know, his sister 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.880 arrives in the doorway, and I'm sure like the Daily Stars, like, 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:35.400 I bet the kid was so relieved to see his sister. Yeah, 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:38.240 like he's hearing all this commotion, he sees his big sister, 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:40.640 He's like, oh yay, and then she fucking killed him. 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:45.200 She stabbed him five times, including one deep slash across 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:51.880 his neck. Jesus Christ, psycho, this is dark. Later in testimony, 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:56.160 she testified that Jacob pleaded for his life and emitted 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:59.720 a gurgling sound as she stabbed him, and the New 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:02.600 Zealan Harold said. She also said that it was too 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.240 cruel to leave him without their parents, so. 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:06.640 She was trying to do him a favor and just 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.000 get him out of the world. Okay, yeah, she was 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.160 going to go live with her werewolf boyfriend off in 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:12.760 the a cave or something. 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:15.520 Okay, Yeah, when the cops came. They found the parents 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:17.600 in the basement, and then the brother was in his 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:22.360 upstairs bedroom and they found blood spattered all over Jacob's room, 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:23.560 like all over his toys. 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:26.360 Oh yeah. 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.480 The detectives at first thought maybe Jasmine was kidnapped by 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:32.480 some crazed killer, and so they were really scared. But 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.440 in reality, Jasmine and Jeremy went on the run because 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.920 they plotted these killings so they could run away together. 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:41.680 They were arrested one hundred miles away. So don't worry now, 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.880 I'm gonna rewind a little bit. So Jasmine and Jeremy 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:47.600 they met at a punk rock concert and she started 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:51.000 to love the goth lifestyle. And that was Calgary in 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:53.680 two thousand and five, and they kept touch on MySpace 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:55.840 and VampireFreaks dot com. 1:03:56.160 --> 1:04:01.240 Wow, sh it's like that feels like an SVU website. 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:03.720 That feels like a fake website. As for you, made off, it's. 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:06.640 Just horrible to laugh during this fucked of a crime, 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:11.240 but dot com it does. It's hard not to giggle 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:14.000 a little bit. But she's also twelve, so it's pretty 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.480 dark and awful. She was a clean cut girl and 1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:18.800 then she started changing, but that also happens like you 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:21.160 get influenced, you know, like everyone thinks they're a witch 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.240 at some point in their lives. So obviously when her 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.960 parents found out about this relationship, they were not into it, 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:29.200 and they were like, you cannot see this vampire freak. 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:32.240 They took her computer away, and even though he is 1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:34.479 a werewolf with a vial of blood around his neck, 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:36.320 it was her idea to kill the. 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:39.040 Family is the consensus. 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:42.760 They found messages online between these people and she wrote, 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:45.200 I have this plan. It begins with me killing them 1:04:45.240 --> 1:04:48.240 and ends with me living with you. And that's according 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:52.640 to the NZ Herald and according to this Daily Star, 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:54.560 which reminds me of the text in the city, the 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:58.720 New York Star like nothing with a star is real journalism. 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:02.400 Like I don't understand, Like where are the articles? And 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.880 then I was like, but you can get Canadian news 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:07.240 like we did the Barbie and Ken killers. Yeah, we 1:05:07.400 --> 1:05:10.400 talked about people from Winnipeg. We did that case with 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:13.320 the blood straw that hot the like serendipity. 1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:15.720 So I'm just like, and why is like why is 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.720 New Zealand so pumped on it? Like that's across the world, 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:22.000 Like why are they why do they have so much information. Yeah, 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:24.480 it's weird. I wonder if if Canada just keeps like 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:27.360 shit with underage people, like really under wraps or something, 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:30.680 because the Barbie killers weren't underage, just the victim. 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:32.840 Well, I will get there are details about it, but 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:35.840 it still does not It doesn't do it for me 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:39.880 because even if yeah, so we'll get to it. But whatever. 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:42.640 So he had creepy messages too, though it's not like her. 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:44.480 He wrote to her, can we get together and kill 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:48.680 people together? That's according to the Daily Start, And then 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:52.880 he publicly posted, my lover's rents are totally unfair, and 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.040 they say that they really cared. They don't know what 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:58.040 is going on. They just assume their throats. I want 1:05:58.080 --> 1:06:02.120 to slit. Finally there shall be silence, their bloodshall be payment. 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:04.880 Geez dark. 1:06:05.080 --> 1:06:07.200 So she was pretty loose with this plan, and I 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:09.160 guess she discussed it with a ton of friends, but 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:13.440 nobody believed it was true. You know. Yeah, they just 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.040 were like, Okay, yeah, you're gonna. 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:17.120 Kill like sure you in the wear woarrolf, We're gonna 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.440 go kill people Twilight, We get it. 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:23.320 Yeah, And so April twenty third, two thousand and six, 1:06:23.400 --> 1:06:28.680 like I said, stanky, stanky the guy he got what how. 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:31.680 Do you say? It's just funny what you said? Stanky? 1:06:31.880 --> 1:06:35.280 Like that's funny. Do the stanky legs. 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:39.240 So he got jazzed up by watching Natural Born Killers, 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:41.560 which was his favorite romance movie. 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:43.240 Which I've never seen. I haven't either. 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:46.320 Maybe we could do a dual do watch each other's 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:49.280 little blind spots and watch that one. So he downed 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:52.040 a bottle of red wine along with some beer, and 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:56.000 then he went to visit Jasmine's parents. So anyway, so 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.080 while they're on the run, like truly, just two hours 1:06:59.120 --> 1:07:01.920 after the deaths, they were seen laughing and kissing at 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:02.600 a restaurant. 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:03.280 Wow. 1:07:03.320 --> 1:07:06.120 When they were asked why they did this, Richardson said, 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:07.880 I loved him so much. I thought it would bring 1:07:07.960 --> 1:07:10.520 us closer together. And that's a quote from the New 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:11.360 Zealand Herald. 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:14.480 This reminds me of like after Gypsy Rose and her 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:17.760 boyfriend killed the mom. They were like seen like canoodling 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.640 and like you know, kissing and having a good time. Yeah. 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:23.280 So June two thousand and seven, she went on trial 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:26.480 at age fourteen for three counts of first degree murder 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:29.560 and was found guilty on all three and sentenced to 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:34.160 ten years in jail. Yes, ten Wow, that's the maximum 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:36.960 allowed by Canada's Youth Criminal Justice Act. 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:40.080 And she's just in jail, like that would be jail jail, 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:41.560 not like juvenile jail. 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:45.480 So she also served four years in a psychiatric hospital 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:50.560 and then four years under conditional communities supervision, and also 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:53.840 was able to attend Mount Royal University in Calgary, Alberta. 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.600 So I'm not really sure. I mean, she was out 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:57.360 in twenty. 1:07:57.080 --> 1:08:00.840 Sixteen, so these, like these four and four years are 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:05.520 like included within the ten. Yeah, so I'm not really sure, 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:08.200 but ten does not seem like enough. I don't know, sorry, 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:13.280 I just mmmmm mmmm. So she's out, she's in the streets. 1:08:13.720 --> 1:08:16.400 She had a final court hearing May twenty sixteen, during 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:19.400 which she offered no apology or expression of remorse for 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:20.160 what she had done. 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:22.360 She is living in a secret location. 1:08:22.560 --> 1:08:25.639 Her name cannot be published in her home country, where 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:28.200 she is known as JR. And she has been described 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:31.080 as a poster child for rehabilitation. I don't buy that, 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:34.160 but yeah, so this is so, this is it. Her 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:37.559 name cannot be published in her home country, but like 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:40.760 that's post changing her name and but like when it 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:44.000 first happened, was there not news outlets that were reporting? 1:08:44.400 --> 1:08:45.080 Yeah? 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:48.519 Have those been wiped? Like you can't just wipe crimes away? 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:51.600 Like I am really confused by that. Like her parents' names, 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:52.599 like her parents' names. 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:54.439 It's not like the murder of so and so and 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:56.400 so and so even if you don't name the killers, 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:58.759 like you know, yeah, I guess I didn't. 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:03.080 I didn't try to look that up Mark richardson Canada. 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:06.439 Let's see if I mean, that's a really common name. 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:07.000 I'm sure to. 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:16.000 Find a grave great, find a grave dot com and LinkedIn. Okay, 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:21.360 this is fucked up. Yeah, it's just like so I okay, 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.280 then some images do show up, but it's all the 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:28.160 New Zealand Harold and then not real sources. It's like, 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:32.839 I mean medium, I'll read verse some stuff, Yen News, 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:36.639 Sudbury Star like Mama, Mama maya. 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:41.840 Like nothing was real. Yeah, nothing is like good like 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:44.160 solid credible journal. 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:45.960 No, not that we would use and so like it 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:50.720 is really confusing to me. Wow, yeah, I guess Wait 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:52.080 there's one that I just saw. 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:56.679 This Sudbury's Star might be real. No, it looks pretty 1:09:56.680 --> 1:10:01.760 shady too, damn. So many stars. Yeah. 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.680 Yeah, so I guess she cannot be named because of 1:10:04.720 --> 1:10:06.040 the Youth Criminal. 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:09.040 Justice Act and that's that. Wow. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:16.000 So that's why there's really no information about her. Damn, damn, damn, damn. 1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:17.840 I wish I found it sooner. I didn't think to 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:21.200 google the parents' names. Well, I wasn't even like, I mean, 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.040 I wasn't trying to tell you like how to do it. 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:24.960 I just was kind of like, it's weird that the 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:27.519 coverage wouldn't even be like, Hi, two people from your 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:28.320 community died. 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:30.160 So I get that you can't print the kids' names, 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:34.240 but like, is there coverage of what happened to these people? 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:34.800 You know? 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:37.080 Yeah, it's really strange. 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:39.240 Or you know, like you're not supposed to fight in 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:42.200 mixed company, you know about that? Or like Chris Rock 1:10:42.240 --> 1:10:44.800 has this joke with Will Smith where it's like, don't 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:47.320 fight in front of white people, like that kind of 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.280 a thing. I wonder if that's with Canada, where it's like, 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.200 we can't let America read about our crime, Like no 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:58.160 mixed company is Southeast Alberta like rural. I'm just looking interesting. 1:10:58.280 --> 1:11:01.839 Well because I've performed in Edmonton, which I think is Alberta. 1:11:02.000 --> 1:11:05.240 I'm not sure I've been to Alberta, but I think 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.439 it's a providence, yeah, Canadian province. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:11.559 Yes, yeah, I was right. 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:16.080 It's known for its natural beauty, richness and fossils and 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:18.520 for how housing important nature reserves. 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:21.599 I just wonder if it was like kind of in 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:23.960 like an off the beaten path area. So nobody was 1:11:23.960 --> 1:11:26.639 really covering it also because journalism was dying slowly. 1:11:26.720 --> 1:11:30.760 But go on, yeah, whatever, So people think she rehabilitated 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.120 or not. Who knows, she's out in the wilds. That's 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:36.000 all I know. And then in two thousand and eight, 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:40.320 steink I don't know why I can't say it's last 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:41.519 what's its first day? 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:44.920 I've already forgotten. It's probably Steinkerry. Yeah. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.800 So in two thousand and eight, Jeremy s was found 1:11:47.840 --> 1:11:50.840 guilty of three counts of first degree murder as well 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:54.360 and was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences in prison, 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:57.120 with the earliest parole date for twenty five years. So 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:59.599 in twenty thirty three will be the first time that 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:01.759 he can and go in front of the pearl board. 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:05.599 But he was a grown man, so he got three 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:09.479 life sentences. Wow, but that's what you get for committing 1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:11.680 crimes with a child, she's gonna get less time. I 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:14.920 should have got him for statutory rape too, But listen, 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.200 this is a horrific crime. If you know how to 1:12:17.200 --> 1:12:20.599 get more information or you understand stuff about Canada and 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.960 crimes and ceiling shit, let us know. Because she also 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:27.600 changed her name, so it's like, why can't we just 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:29.000 publish this young person's day? 1:12:29.000 --> 1:12:31.439 I got to talk about it now, yeah, or like 1:12:31.840 --> 1:12:34.320 that there hasn't been I don't know. I'm also like, 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:37.320 what there hasn't been like made for TV movies or 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:38.880 like anything like that is but. 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:41.400 It is so fucked though. Yeah, to kill your little 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:45.000 brother who is like, yeah, waiting for you probably like 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:49.400 it is sick and you know we also I guess 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:53.120 part of the allure too that I thought there'd be 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:55.720 more information is like was it her? 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:56.479 Was it him? 1:12:57.200 --> 1:13:00.440 He is a grown man, so like she's a child, 1:13:00.720 --> 1:13:04.880 she's probably easily influenced or like is and because if 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:08.639 you're that big of a psycho to do this, will 1:13:08.640 --> 1:13:11.680 you be rehabilitated in a decade or is this like 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.519 an ed Kemper situation where she figured out how to 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.600 trick them into saying what she wanted or is she like, 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:18.600 I can't believe I did that. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:22.040 Like, there's just so many unanswered questions. I mean, I know, 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:24.680 and I want to say, like, at twelve, even if 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:27.920 you're the one that initiated the idea on a message board, 1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:29.439 a lot of twelve year olds say they want to 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:32.439 kill their fucking parents. You know, I have a feeling 1:13:32.479 --> 1:13:37.679 this guy got to her about what sacrificing human life, 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:40.000 what that means, why it has to happen so you 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.040 can have your happiness or achieve xyz, you know what 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:45.840 I mean? Like I would, I would say that most 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:48.720 twelve year olds, unless you're born like a psychopath, like, 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:58.160 are just highly vulnerable and influenced by you know, older influences. Yeah, 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:00.200 that's just that's just me spitball. And maybe she's a 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:04.400 total psycho from birth. Who knows. It's just so horrible. 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:07.880 That's horrible. Well, we don't have a guess, but we don't. 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:17.479 We'll get to our post smartem any second now. Okay, So, 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:23.240 uh post mortem of this week's episode is, Oh my god, 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:25.400 I mean, that's so funny that we randomly just talked 1:14:25.400 --> 1:14:28.559 about parenting and like saying stuff, so your kids will 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.479 listen and then this I didn't even put that together 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:33.040 that this episode, like the crux of it is that 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:35.320 this mom like won't really listen to her daughter, and 1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:38.000 like they just have this contentious relationship, and that's like 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:43.120 why the mother ends up rutally murdered. Like, I just 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:45.880 really hope that doesn't happen to me. I guess is 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:50.200 my post mortem takeaway. I'll just let Rosie date anyone, 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:51.479 because I don't want her to kill me. 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:56.120 No, It's like this, it's honestly such a balancing act. 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:58.640 I don't know what the right answer is because you know, 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:01.800 classic it's if if you fight too hard, the kid's 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:04.280 gonna want it. Right, But you can't just let your 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.599 kid date a twenty plus year old, you know, you 1:15:06.720 --> 1:15:08.240 just you can't do that. 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:09.000 Yeah, you can't. 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:12.479 That's but then I also understand the hesitation of like 1:15:13.320 --> 1:15:14.559 I don't want this person going. 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:15.760 To jail, this twenty year old. 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:17.880 It's like, are they really committing crime or do you 1:15:17.880 --> 1:15:19.240 really think they're a criminal or what you know? 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:21.920 Right right right? Like so I don't know what to do. 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:23.479 I don't know what the right thing to do. Like 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:26.800 Kathy Moriarity also ended up dead when her character tried 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:30.559 to report him for statutory rape. You know, but. 1:15:32.000 --> 1:15:33.960 I don't know, what do you do or do you 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.679 create a thing where or it's like you can only 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:39.680 be hanging the house. I don't know what do you 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:42.800 What do you do if your sixteen year old loves 1:15:42.800 --> 1:15:45.040 a twenty year old who you don't think is a pedophile, 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:46.559 but you also don't think it's right. 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.680 I don't know. I should we do a poll we 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:55.080 would like to limit contact of where my sixteen year 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:57.120 old would meet a twenty year old. I guess work. 1:15:57.160 --> 1:16:00.200 There's all kinds of places, fuck, yeah, the mall, And 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:01.840 you're like, I want you to get a job, but 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:03.840 then it's like, what you can't like be with any 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.519 like one of unemployee you meet who's four years apart 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:08.759 from you. I don't know. I guess that's like, really 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:13.720 that's really tough. The that's really tough. I was so 1:16:14.160 --> 1:16:16.839 like not, I was so not dating in high school 1:16:17.280 --> 1:16:22.840 that it's like I can't even remember what if I 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.880 knew anybody who did that or like anything like like that, 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:28.920 like how their parents handled it or whatever, Like I 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:31.160 can't think of it. Oh no, when I was in 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:31.719 eighth grade. 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:33.760 I definitely knew someone that was dating a twenty two 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:37.160 year old oh okay, oh yeah, And there was a 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:40.360 picture of her. I remember so vividly this photo because 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:44.600 she's wearing like an oversized sweatshirt. But she did participate 1:16:44.680 --> 1:16:47.439 in self harm sort of like her thighs rolls cut up. 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:51.560 And then this like older twenty two girl was like 1:16:51.560 --> 1:16:56.320 like shoulder, you know, like holding her from behind. And 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.400 I remember this that photo so vividly, and I remember 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:01.760 it being like fucking weird and fucked up. Oh, but 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:04.800 like not that fucked up that I did it like, 1:17:05.280 --> 1:17:07.280 but it was like, oh, I'm not in your group, 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:08.720 like I can't. 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:11.519 Well. Actually, one of my friends that you have actually 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.679 met twice at one of our live shows. She when 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:17.240 she was like twelve, looked like a seventeen year old, 1:17:17.240 --> 1:17:19.640 Like she just looked older forever. Like I met her 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:21.800 when she was twelve years old and she had a 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:24.320 picture of her sixteen year old boyfriend in her tent 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:26.679 at camp and I was like, this is your boyfriend 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.840 and she was like yeah, And I was like, I 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:33.360 bet nobody thinks this is weird because you look older, 1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:36.280 but you are not older, like twelve and sixteen is 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.280 not a normal distance to me, Like, I'm almost more 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:43.680 okay with sixteen twenty like than twelve sixteen, like she 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:46.760 had like probably had her period. She looked older, but 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:50.200 like it was I remember being like, I'm this is 1:17:50.200 --> 1:17:52.720 too much. She grew up and became my friend, so 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:53.920 it's I'm not like, you know. 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.439 Oh, even if someone looks a little older, there is 1:17:57.479 --> 1:17:59.840 no way an adult does not know that's a child, right, 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:04.560 There's just no fucking way. Like I've performed at colleges, 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:09.920 they look like children. I'm sorry, Like it is a lie. 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:13.040 If someone says like, oh, I didn't know they looked 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:16.479 like I just don't believe it. The people that are like, 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:19.920 oh I didn't know are liars. But maybe that's not 1:18:19.920 --> 1:18:22.600 true because most people importn are like eighteen nineteen, twenty 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:25.839 twenty two. Yeah, and they look they look pretty fucking mature. Yeah, 1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:27.880 I mean, you're right, I don't know what I'm saying. 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:30.200 The looks is one thing. I just can't believe that 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:33.040 you're a person that's like in your twenties and you're 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:34.640 going on a date with an eighth grader and you 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:38.200 think there's anything like you're not telling then like when 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:40.360 you're talking, like you know what I mean, just like, 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:43.639 well they're they're kind of lating about yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:49.719 they're pedophiles. Yeah, they that's what they relate on anyway. 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:54.640 I also feel like this episode, specifically, this episode of 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.760 SVU has a lot of like letting rich kids run 1:18:57.800 --> 1:18:59.920 around the city and do pill parties and shit like that, 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:02.759 which is like never which is always my nightmare about 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:06.240 like raising kids in the city a little bit. Not 1:19:06.360 --> 1:19:09.400 that the suburbs are way more fucked up, I'm sure. 1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:12.240 Yeah, because there's more space, Like in the city, you 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:14.880 are on top of each other. It is apartments or 1:19:15.040 --> 1:19:18.440 like even if it's not, it's just like more cant 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:22.080 like tight. I feel the suburbs, you know, it's these 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:26.120 giant basements, It's these huge McMansions. 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:29.599 It's lots of parents going out of bound for long 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.400 trips and being like you're fine at the house. You know. 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:36.960 Yeah, there's a reason like meth and opioids and all 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:43.000 these things are huge in rural areas, there's nothing to do. 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:46.599 I get that you can be a bad girl in 1:19:46.640 --> 1:19:48.559 a city because you're growing up faster and you see 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:50.519 lots of things and maybe you're seeing like someone jerk 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:54.599 off on the street. But I do believe the rural 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:59.240 suburban ride your bike somewhere and now's around like there's 1:19:59.320 --> 1:20:01.040 more dev things afoot. 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:04.559 I don't know the numbers. Yeah, places where there are woods, 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:07.120 places where there are woods, where there are quarries. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:09.920 Well, we do know the numbers for meth. And guess 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:12.160 what it's in Kansas and Appalachia. Like I don't know 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:14.240 what to tell you. Like if you are in the 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:17.559 middle of nowhere and it's between tipping a cow and 1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:20.559 getting high, maybe you're gonna get high. I mean, this 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:24.920 is crazy. I saw I sound like a reverse conservative boomer, 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:27.880 but that's my thing. 1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:29.280 They're they're so worried. 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:31.720 About these cities in California being unsafe, and it's like, well, 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:33.160 you hate us, so why do you care? 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:37.680 What do you care? But also ha ha, I don't know. 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:41.360 It's just like like look at your backyard, you know 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:41.880 what I mean? 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:46.679 Like truly, truly, but I really hope that the girl 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.760 in this episode and her little brother Tommy cannot you 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:50.160 can be. 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:53.640 Good or bad life together. You could be good or 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:56.559 bad anywhere. I mean little Tommy, I mean little Tommy. 1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:00.400 I honestly don't know. Like what I said throughout this morn, 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:02.360 I've had anything to do with the episode. Well no, 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:06.080 I will also say, like I'm disassociating. I'm basically just 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.599 like all you hillbillies are doing meth and city kids 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:11.439 are going to art museums like this. 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:14.920 Is what no one thinks that you are thinking. Are 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:18.800 saying that? But well, okay, So I will also say, 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:22.680 just because this episode involves we also talked about the 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.240 true crime this girl and her boyfriend, like murdering an 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:28.160 entire family. Let's take a page out of Gypsy Rose's 1:21:28.720 --> 1:21:31.080 recent press tour where she said I went about this 1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:33.960 the wrong way, like she felt trapped, and she even 1:21:34.000 --> 1:21:35.880 said to Joy on the View, she was like, I 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:38.040 did it the wrong way, and then Joy goes, don't 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.240 say that. She goes, well, no, I mean I went 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:42.479 to jail. I committed a crime. And then Joy was like, 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:46.000 oh right that part. So I mean no, Gypsy went 1:21:47.200 --> 1:21:54.200 murder is wrong? Joy, Yeah, so let don't don't. Let's 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:56.519 the post mortem is, don't murder your parents. Figure out 1:21:56.520 --> 1:21:59.080 another way. And I hope there are people have resources 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.960 where murder isn't the only answer in Gypsy's case, it 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:04.040 felt like it kind of yeah, almost was. 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:07.400 I know, I've been so focused on the age gap 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.599 love and that I forgot that there. 1:22:10.439 --> 1:22:13.960 Were brutal murders throughout this thing. 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:17.639 Yes, yes, yeah, gothic murders, vampire murder. 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:20.519 Well, the first in the episode, the guy's murdering for 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:22.679 drugs right in the set in the real life one, 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:25.280 the dark art. Yeah, yeah, they were trying. They were 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:27.200 trying to do natural born killers the right. They were 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:32.800 trying to like be yeah, criminals. Anyway, let's get into 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:36.599 our what would Sister Peg do for this week? That's 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:39.600 our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization, 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:42.560 a blog, a book, of another podcast episode, something to 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:44.320 give you more info about what we talked about today. 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:46.519 And this one was a little bit tough because the 1:22:46.560 --> 1:22:48.120 crimes are all over the map, and I just felt 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:51.439 bad for little Tommy having to witness, you know, so 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:54.360 much violence that I wanted to this week point you 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:57.960 to the organization Futures Without Violence. Their mission is to 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.479 prevent an end violence against women and children around the world. 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:04.360 They have groundbreaking programs, policy development, and public action campaigns 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.040 that seek to heal those that are traumatized by violence 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:10.160 today and to create healthy families and communities free of 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:14.360 violence tomorrow. So you know, if Emily van Kamp's family 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:18.080 had gone to an organization like this, maybe all the 1:23:18.120 --> 1:23:20.840 horrible tragedies wouldn't have happened. But for more info on 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:24.120 this organization or to donate to them, go to Futures 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:27.599 Without Violence dot org and that will be posted in 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:31.320 our on our stories on Instagram the day that the 1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:33.800 episode comes out, and they will be saved forever. In 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:38.320 the WWSPD highlight for this episode. Thank you so much. 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:44.280 That's like such a good organization and tie in gotta 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:47.080 care about Little Tommy. Next week we'll be doing a 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:52.760 blood Speaking of Vampire Killers season six, episode twenty one, 1:23:52.800 --> 1:23:55.360 we can't wait for the next one and the next 1:23:55.400 --> 1:24:08.080 one after that, so keep it going xoxo forever. 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