Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. We're here with
Speaker 2: another episode.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, and you
Speaker 1: know what we do on this podcast. We talk SVW
Speaker 1: episodes true crimes are based on and not today, but
Speaker 1: starting next week we will have guests coming back after
Speaker 1: the strike. We're excited talking to some cool ass people,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. Also a little announcement, we're
Speaker 1: not in the time machine anymore. I mean, we're always
Speaker 1: a little bit in a brief time machine because it's
Speaker 1: not like we'rever recording the day before we release episodes,
Speaker 1: but we will not have any more early release on
Speaker 1: Amazon and Wondery and all that stuff. So now we'll
Speaker 1: be recording pretty close to when the episode comes out,
Speaker 1: so you won't have to hire us talking about Halloween
Speaker 1: in December. So that's exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry for the seven of you who maybe listened early,
Speaker 2: but you're you're out of luck now.
Speaker 1: So and we just got back from an amazing time
Speaker 1: in Seattle at the Wet City Comedy Festival. That was
Speaker 1: so great. Thank you to everybody who came out in Seattle.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. We don't have any tour dates
Speaker 1: at the moment, but keep your little eyes perked up.
Speaker 1: And if you are interested in seeing Lisa perform, go
Speaker 1: to that's messed up live dot com that has a
Speaker 1: link in it to Lisa's link tree which has all
Speaker 1: of her times in it. So wow, if you want
Speaker 1: to set that up. Yeah, just changed our link tree
Speaker 1: because your website didn't really have anything, and so I
Speaker 1: changed your website so where it says Lisa's website, that
Speaker 1: will take you to all of Lisa's tour dates and
Speaker 1: you can go because that.
Speaker 2: Bitch is on the road. Websites are retro. Websites are retro.
Speaker 2: I don't know you have websites anymore. It's a tree.
Speaker 2: I still have tree, Like I don't really know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, I pay for the domain I have it.
Speaker 2: It's not updated, like I'd like to own whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't do you go on anyone's website unless it's
Speaker 2: time for tour tickets for somebody, but I still just
Speaker 2: go to like a ticket mart, Like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: go on people's websites unless your name is Vulture dot com.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I get buzzed. Really, I guess we'll check
Speaker 1: to see if somebody is like legit if they have
Speaker 1: a website. But I don't know. It really depends. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the standard anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think having a website means you're legit or not.
Speaker 2: I think you have to have millions of followers, and
Speaker 2: that means you're actually legitimate, A legitimate person just follow I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember when I first started comedy, like
Speaker 2: getting a business card was thing you would do.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh I oh, I've had multiple business cards, like
Speaker 1: a little cartoon graphic of me on it that says
Speaker 1: caraclink dot com has all my social handles on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I bet you made a card before you
Speaker 2: even had socials?
Speaker 1: Maybe did you not? No, I don't remember. But my
Speaker 1: first website, a friend made it for me. Like anytime
Speaker 1: I had to update it, she had to go in
Speaker 1: there and like recode. I was like this is terrible,
Speaker 1: Like thank God for like Squarespace. This isn't even like
Speaker 1: an ad for Squarespace, but they should sponsor us because
Speaker 1: I do use them. But like, there was a time
Speaker 1: where I was really using my website for show like
Speaker 1: dates and stuff, and now it's just like, yeah, Instagram,
Speaker 1: everything's Instagram.
Speaker 2: Well it's so wild because the girl Tyler Fetter who
Speaker 2: made my first business cards and i'd buy art from
Speaker 2: her very young, she doesn't even take really commissions anymore
Speaker 2: because she's a fucking child's book author. Oh, like she
Speaker 2: illustrates and writes books, and like I hit her up
Speaker 2: for something, I'm like, do you do this anymore?
Speaker 1: And she's like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: But I found her like way back in the day,
Speaker 2: over a decade ago, and I just loved all her
Speaker 2: art and yeah, Tyler Fetter, Well now I'm on her.
Speaker 1: Website, so yeah, they do work, I guess, because now
Speaker 1: I want to know what she writes in case, oh
Speaker 1: I've seen bodies are cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah cool. That's
Speaker 1: the girl who made my first business card. Can you
Speaker 1: believe it? Can you even believe that has a book
Speaker 1: called All of or she illustrated a book called All
Speaker 1: about Volva's and Vaginas and all about penises. Love that.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is great. Yeah, she's like a cool person.
Speaker 2: But she would make greeting cards and i'd get people.
Speaker 1: Like pets.
Speaker 2: Actually, our friend has one that I made for her birthday,
Speaker 2: Like I just made. I would, I would commission for
Speaker 2: her work all the time. I loved Tyler Fetter, So
Speaker 2: just shout out to her. And she didn't know that
Speaker 2: that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: She has a little book that's called Are You Mad
Speaker 1: at Me? And I don't know what's on the cover.
Speaker 1: It looks like a little ostrich and it's so cute
Speaker 1: and it's like about kids' anxieties and I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, shout out to the school who I
Speaker 1: don't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the future of kids are just gonna
Speaker 2: be like I just can't wait to see their emotional intelligence.
Speaker 2: I'm already seeing the difference of how kids are raised.
Speaker 1: But it is just so good.
Speaker 2: And I don't understand the people that are like in
Speaker 2: my day and it's like, yeah, you cried in a
Speaker 2: corner in silence, like I don't. I don't know why
Speaker 2: they fantasized about like, well, we didn't have participation trophies.
Speaker 1: Sophie buttle as a funny joke.
Speaker 2: She goes, well, I actually participated, so I don't know
Speaker 2: what the confusion was.
Speaker 1: Like what I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just like I don't get the attachment to harshness
Speaker 2: or to a harsh life, or well, the world's gonna
Speaker 2: be tough, so don't baby your kid.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, who else is gonna baby your kid? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm I had them to baby them. But like,
Speaker 1: my kids will be wilding out in a walgreen, the
Speaker 1: people will be looking at me, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to hit them. Sorry, we just can't
Speaker 1: hit them, like, you know, like I didn't do a
Speaker 1: ton of shit my parents asked me to do because
Speaker 1: I knew my dad would smack me, and like they
Speaker 1: just can't do that anymore. So not that I want to, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but sometimes I just have to
Speaker 1: let them wild out in the walgreens, you know, get
Speaker 1: it out of their sister. And there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: different like techniques and shit, you know, but just.
Speaker 2: Talking, I mean, I felt loved like I I you know,
Speaker 2: I my parents are great, but there there was a
Speaker 2: moment when I first started therapy years ago where my
Speaker 2: therapist asked me when things were wrong with you as
Speaker 2: a kid or something happen, who did you talk to
Speaker 2: And it hit me that it was nobody. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I didn't talk to
Speaker 2: anybody about anything that was bothering me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: No wonder I isolate now, Like it's so clear to
Speaker 2: me that now if something is wrong, I like don't
Speaker 2: leave my house for days and don't want to talk
Speaker 2: to anyone and like hide and the covers. But then
Speaker 2: just one quick connection where I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: if something if someone was like mean to me or
Speaker 2: I cried or as embarrassed or anything, I would never
Speaker 2: tell my parents. I would never tell my sister. I
Speaker 2: would never tell anybody. Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I remember talking to my mom about people
Speaker 1: hurting my feelings like at school and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But like, if I did something wrong, I would take
Speaker 1: it to the grave. I would lie. I would just
Speaker 1: like I was so scared of getting in trouble all
Speaker 1: the time that I was like, I just like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell Rosie, like even if you did something wrong,
Speaker 1: please tell me, like we'll figure it out together, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna punish you, you know, because like that's
Speaker 1: what you want. Yeah, and you know that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't yeah, like you shouldn't yell if your
Speaker 2: kid tells you something, because then why would they tell
Speaker 2: you the next time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: But then I always see people arguing in comments of
Speaker 2: stuff and like discussions about this where it's like, well
Speaker 2: you need a punish and it's like this punitive attitude.
Speaker 1: It's just not positive, and I well, I'm glad differences
Speaker 1: is like people think that there's either punitive like screaming punishment,
Speaker 1: or there's gentle parenting, which is let your kid do
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck they want, and there's a middle ground.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people don't like gentle parenting. I
Speaker 1: don't like general parenting. It's too much for me, like
Speaker 1: to be fucking calm like that all the time. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. Like, but there's they're also liars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's like so many ways where like you can
Speaker 1: draw boundaries and even though you're saying like you like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to let you have this
Speaker 1: right now because you're throwing it and that's gonna hurt somebody,
Speaker 1: and I get that that sucks for you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like all this ways of like I
Speaker 1: am sort of punishing you. You don't get the toy
Speaker 1: you want, but I'm not like go to your room,
Speaker 1: or like yesterday I tried to tell Oscar he did
Speaker 1: something so crazy and I go, well, now you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have dessert, and Jared was like, remember that, that's
Speaker 1: so far away from what he did. Dessert is in
Speaker 1: an hour. He's not gonna remember what he did. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you're right, Like, and that's the shit
Speaker 1: they teach us on all these Instagram accounts. I just forgot,
Speaker 1: like you know because in the moment, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you just threw something at my head, like I have
Speaker 1: to punch. I have to give you some kind of consequence. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is a parenting blog, now, a parenting podcast, apparenting blog.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, well I'm not even a parent, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm just watching from the sidelines and realizing that, like
Speaker 2: I was just going through my whole adolescence.
Speaker 1: In silence, and I'm a talker, I'm a chatter.
Speaker 2: So it's just it's so strange and I don't because
Speaker 2: I remember once I called my parents during pandemic lockdown
Speaker 2: and I was crying. I was like, you know, worried
Speaker 2: about my whatever. And all my dad kept saying is,
Speaker 2: never cry. Don't you cry, You'll never have to cry.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you don't. You don't get it. But
Speaker 1: I get where his say. I get where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't.
Speaker 2: He's in a position where he's like, I want to
Speaker 2: make sure you never have to cry. It's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I cry, yeah, yeah, to tell you. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I wish this isn't an original thing. Where's
Speaker 2: this from where it's like I wish I could go
Speaker 2: back and like hold my like like hold our parents
Speaker 2: when they were little alone.
Speaker 1: I know, oh my god. Yeah, Like to this day,
Speaker 1: there's there'll be people in my family that have like cancer,
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, mom, and we talked to aunt
Speaker 1: so and so about that. She's like, no, we're like,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we're just leaving it alone. We're just
Speaker 1: not mentioning it. Like there's you know, her side of
Speaker 1: the family is like Catholic and has all kinds of
Speaker 1: like don't talk about it shit, over there too, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Catholics really hate to talk. Yeah, they really really
Speaker 1: they love to keep stuff inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there are pedophiles. Why else would you instill
Speaker 2: a code of silence if it wasn't to make sure
Speaker 2: people didn't talk about what you're up to.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know. I mean like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's baked in like that.
Speaker 2: So like hard, Casey's waving the flags, waving the flag.
Speaker 1: Thank you to the people who came to our New
Speaker 1: York show. By the way, this reminds us we had
Speaker 1: a group of people that get thro a New York show.
Speaker 1: They were so fun and and actually one of them
Speaker 1: has been on SVU, he's been a part on SVU.
Speaker 1: But they brought us these sweatshirts, beautiful material, beautiful quality,
Speaker 1: heavy sweatshirts that say the jizz is a match, which
Speaker 1: is something Lisa said on an episode from last month,
Speaker 1: and on the back of it it says, we got
Speaker 1: to start Casey's waving the flag. So these sweatshirts are
Speaker 1: getting more and more specific. And we appreciate all of
Speaker 1: the gifts you guys have brought to us. I don't
Speaker 1: think you guys, realize how often I am making a
Speaker 1: friendship bracelet with my daughter that you guys brought for them,
Speaker 1: or feeding them snacks that you brought to like package snacks.
Speaker 1: I don't take baked goods, thank you though, like except
Speaker 1: we took one.
Speaker 2: We took one homemade item, but she was wearing glitter
Speaker 2: pants and we just trusted it so.
Speaker 1: Well because we.
Speaker 2: Loved our chocolate covered fredos in Cleveland so much from
Speaker 2: susan El chocolate tears that someone in New York made
Speaker 2: us their own chocolate covered face.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and they made us chocolate covered oreos. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. So everything you guys bring us is like
Speaker 1: amazing and we appreciate.
Speaker 2: But also no pressure because sometimes we will come to
Speaker 2: our lives shows.
Speaker 1: And be like I'm sorry I didn't bring.
Speaker 2: You or I left this, and like you don't have
Speaker 2: you do have to anything at all at all. But
Speaker 2: you know, gift giving is my love language, so it's
Speaker 2: like I'm happy to receive it never necessary.
Speaker 1: And if you have a loved one in your life
Speaker 1: and you want to give them a little hint to
Speaker 1: Reno about something to give you for the upcoming Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of a bullshit holiday, but
Speaker 1: if you celebrate, I've let our cute little get our
Speaker 1: cute little college sweatshirt that we have on our merch shop.
Speaker 1: It's running out. We only have a couple dozen left
Speaker 1: of the little It says it's that that's messed up
Speaker 1: like collegiate sweatshirt, and then it says ambitious and tipsy
Speaker 1: in the center, and it's super cute. It's very soft.
Speaker 1: I just got mine yesterday. I'll be posting a photo
Speaker 1: of myself in it very soon. Did you get yours,
Speaker 1: Lisa to come? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like too small of a package. I
Speaker 2: haven't been opening my packages in months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty. It's packed up, pretty compact. So I
Speaker 1: have it. I'll put it on head on over to
Speaker 1: That's messed Up live dot com and that has the
Speaker 1: link to our merch shop where you can buy that.
Speaker 1: There's also a few of the purple sweatshirt left, and
Speaker 1: when the purple sweatshirt goes, it's gone. So if you've
Speaker 1: been wanting to get yourself the purple sweatshirt, we're only
Speaker 1: selling that until we're done. And Lisa and I wear
Speaker 1: that on like every flight that we take pretty much.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and if you're listening to it the day
Speaker 2: it comes out, one sixteen, it's my dad's birthday and
Speaker 2: Jared's birthday.
Speaker 1: Big birthday for some of the men in our lives,
Speaker 1: our Capricorn our Capricorn men, it's their birthday. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna get them, but I know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really get Jared anything, but I'm
Speaker 1: taking them to a steakhouse. That's always what I do.
Speaker 1: I take him to steak And then our producer, cases
Speaker 1: is on the seventeenth, so tomorrow, well we'll be doing
Speaker 1: a birthday post for you on the Instagram, Casey, so
Speaker 1: you'll get some birthday love. Don't you worry, don't you worry. Listen,
Speaker 1: you know, on the new Year.
Speaker 2: It is twenty twenty four as we record this, and
Speaker 2: you know, I just feel really lucky to have the podcast,
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, it just seems it feels great to
Speaker 2: be able to have this podcast, and we really love.
Speaker 1: We love it, and we're excited for exciting more things
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four with this pod. Baby's yeah, but
Speaker 1: I have no goals, so that's really cool. It's like
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in twenty twenty four. But I
Speaker 1: have absolutely no goals. No, that's not true.
Speaker 2: I do have one goal for the year, once I
Speaker 2: get my new apartment and everything. My goal is I
Speaker 2: would like to host. I would like to have people over.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to I want cout chains.
Speaker 2: I want to maybe host to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: My goal is to create an environment that I want
Speaker 1: people to come over to. Okay, I will.
Speaker 2: That is my goal for the twenty twenty four year.
Speaker 2: Other than that, nothing, I.
Speaker 1: Would say we have a little podcast goal in that
Speaker 1: we are going we like So if you guys saw
Speaker 1: we made a pretty fun little TikTok video of our
Speaker 1: SVU fans TikTok video, which, in my opinion, Marishka Argata
Speaker 1: and the cast copied it because I don't know why
Speaker 1: they didn't just do one that said we're SVU detectives.
Speaker 1: Instead they did we're SVU fans, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we did, so I felt like it was they took
Speaker 1: inspiration from us. But we are going to try to
Speaker 1: do more like fun TikTok videos. If you think there's
Speaker 1: a trend, you think it'd be fun for us to
Speaker 1: do send it to us, but follow our TikTok. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit hard on TikTok to find shit, So
Speaker 1: ours is called not that's messed up there, because what's
Speaker 1: hilarious is if you put that in, you just get
Speaker 1: a lot of really fucked up videos. So we are
Speaker 1: an SVU podcast. That's our username on TikTok and SVU podcasts.
Speaker 1: So just the second part of our podcast name. So
Speaker 1: go follow us and like I don't know, tell us
Speaker 1: what fucking little dances we should be doing, because we're
Speaker 1: down to do some cool TikTok shit. Yeah that's a
Speaker 1: good goal too.
Speaker 2: We want to make fun trending SVW content and I
Speaker 2: would like to post gatherings.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and I those have to finish a lot
Speaker 1: of projects that I've started. But I need to spend
Speaker 1: I need to my I'm working on this with my therapists.
Speaker 1: I need to spend more time doing a little bit
Speaker 1: more self care. And I know that sounds like really
Speaker 1: woo woo, but like I have to not just like
Speaker 1: block my day off all day long with like work
Speaker 1: and then stuff to do for my kids and this
Speaker 1: and that, and like try well, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if this is I don't know if this
Speaker 2: therapist is the first person.
Speaker 1: To do no no, no, no, no no, But she
Speaker 1: and I are actively working on it. She's trying to
Speaker 1: hold me accountable. Oh no, no. Many people have said
Speaker 1: that I just need to like, you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to not lose my mind. But let's get started because
Speaker 1: we have a great episode for you today, one I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to do since the beginning. It's a hot one. Okay,
Speaker 1: today we are doing dependent one of my faves. Uh
Speaker 1: Season eight, episode fourteen. This Little Baby came out in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, early two thousand and seven, just
Speaker 1: like this one is one of those ones that feels
Speaker 1: like a movie to me, you know, like lots of
Speaker 1: interesting sort of like Twisti's and stuff. So we open
Speaker 1: on a father and his young son walking down the
Speaker 1: city sidewalk. It's nighttime, and the dad is Carrie Elwist.
Speaker 1: We got to call it out right away. You know
Speaker 1: him from tons of shit. I didn't even realize what
Speaker 1: an icon of my childhood he is until I went
Speaker 1: to his IMDb. Like he's had a huge career. Princess Bride,
Speaker 1: I would say, was his big breakout role. He's been
Speaker 1: in Hot Shots and Robinhood Men and Tits, like back,
Speaker 1: did you used to like those movies like naked gun
Speaker 1: type movies, like those parody movies, like they were always
Speaker 1: based on like hot Shots is based on top Gun
Speaker 1: and Robinhood Men in Tights is based on Robinhood Prince
Speaker 1: of Thieves and like. But they were all just like
Speaker 1: these goofy Why they don't make movies like this anymore?
Speaker 1: I think these are the movies that led to like
Speaker 1: scary movie and stuff like that, but they just don't
Speaker 1: make them like this anymore. And I'm obsessed with these
Speaker 1: kind of movies. I thought they were the funniest things ever.
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I knew them better, like Spaceballs,
Speaker 1: I knew better than Star Wars, like I knew all
Speaker 1: these parody movies better than their originals. And he was
Speaker 1: like a king of like these funny movies. And Princess
Speaker 1: Bride is a comedy as well, so that made sense.
Speaker 2: Well, and he's Diane Neil's favorite guest star that shows.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, it's like her crush. And they had
Speaker 1: like a moment, yes, and she kept wanting him to say,
Speaker 1: like as you wish or whatever. Yeah, and like but
Speaker 1: then he's he does other shit, like he's very versatile.
Speaker 1: He was in the movie Kiss the Girls bram Stokers,
Speaker 1: Dracula the Crush with Alicia Silverstone, which is kind of
Speaker 1: like a poison ivy type movie and Liar Liar. He
Speaker 1: also plays a character named David Luckner and Seinfeld, does
Speaker 1: that mean anything to you? I can't remember. I should have.
Speaker 1: I should have written down the episode. I didn't write
Speaker 1: down the episode cells and sure, wait he's British. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was British. Oh yeah, carry all
Speaker 1: was this British? Oh my god? Which is what's so
Speaker 1: funny because I think he's really putting on an accent
Speaker 1: in this like he's really trying to be a New
Speaker 1: Yorker in this episode. And it's quite funny.
Speaker 2: So he's in season seven the wait Out. He took
Speaker 2: extreme exception to remark that George Costanza made about him
Speaker 2: in Beth. He made the same remark when he and
Speaker 2: Alan saw George was Susan. I think it's the oh
Speaker 2: you can do way better. Oh well, yeah, it's with
Speaker 2: Zebra messing like they're yes, they're married to each other
Speaker 2: and George jokingly is like, ah, you can do better
Speaker 2: than this guy, and it kind of fucks with their
Speaker 2: relationship and then at the end they try to fuck
Speaker 2: George over, but George never wants to be with Susan,
Speaker 2: so he's like thrilled to have a fork in it.
Speaker 1: Wait, so this guy's really no and he's in the
Speaker 1: original Saw and he was in the lightest Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's like still working constantly and like he's
Speaker 1: had a career that spanned decades, so very accomplished.
Speaker 2: And he's hot now, like he's hot, he's been hot
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, he looks good. I would say
Speaker 1: he did this SVU kind of during a lull, but
Speaker 1: then he like a full comeback, like I think with
Speaker 1: Saw and like Mission Impossible and stuff, like he's back,
Speaker 1: but I think he was like away for a little
Speaker 1: while and this was like his like one of his
Speaker 1: comeback or his lull rolls when he was in this
Speaker 1: and he's talking to his little son walking down the street,
Speaker 1: whose name is Tommy. If you haven't been, if you're
Speaker 1: new to the podcast, there's a conspiracy that too many
Speaker 1: characters are named Tommy, and there are many many, and
Speaker 1: one of our listeners is keeping track and has sent
Speaker 1: us a huge list.
Speaker 2: I have a favorite Tommy. He's not it, but this
Speaker 2: is a cute Tommy as well. Yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: this Tommy is cute.
Speaker 1: I like him. And they're like, the dad's like, why
Speaker 1: didn't your friend's parents just call your mom to come
Speaker 1: get you? And he's like, well, the phone just kept
Speaker 1: ringing and ringing, dad and she and they're like oh.
Speaker 1: The dad's like she must be asleep, which you know
Speaker 1: in SVU that's probably never the case. So then the
Speaker 1: kid pulls the when are you coming back to live
Speaker 1: with us, daddy question, and the dad's like soon, so
Speaker 1: done done. There's some kind of domestic tension going on
Speaker 1: in this family. I don't know if they're divorced or separated.
Speaker 1: We don't know the answer yet. So he's carrying the
Speaker 1: boy inside and he's explaining, you know, even though me
Speaker 1: and your mom aren't together, you know, we love you
Speaker 1: very much, right, And he's like, can you stay over tonight?
Speaker 1: And the dad's like, how about I tuck you in,
Speaker 1: tell you your favorite story, And then out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: while they're chatting, something glass smashes over the head of
Speaker 1: Carrie ELWSS. He falls to the ground, and when I
Speaker 1: tell you, this gave me an actual jump scare. I
Speaker 1: was watching this in bed and I went, like I
Speaker 1: truly gasped, And even though I've seen the episode probably
Speaker 1: seven times and was expecting something to happen, the glass
Speaker 1: shattering on him really made me like scared last night
Speaker 1: when I was rewatching it. And then the little boy
Speaker 1: runs away, screaming, runs to his mom's bedroom, tries to
Speaker 1: wake her. All we see is him shaking like a
Speaker 1: lifeless arm because she's covered in a comforter. It's really horrible.
Speaker 1: This is like so traumatic for this little boy. That's
Speaker 1: why I feel like it's like a movie, because the
Speaker 1: opening is really like trauma and like feels graphic. So
Speaker 1: the little boy runs the other way, shuts himself into
Speaker 1: another area of this very beautiful, spacious apartment, and locks
Speaker 1: the door, and we see Carrie Elvis on the ground,
Speaker 1: bleeding alive like he's moaning a little bit, and we
Speaker 1: see from his blurry point of view we can see
Speaker 1: a figure just standing in the hallway, but we can't
Speaker 1: make it out. And then the kid presses some kind
Speaker 1: of panic button and we hear an alarm go off,
Speaker 1: so cut to Melinda telling Bangs, Benson and forehead Stabler
Speaker 1: that the dad's name is Sidney Truex and is still unconscious.
Speaker 1: Benson is rocking, Bangs, Stabler's forehead is popping, and Live
Speaker 1: is like Sidney Truex, the mob attorney, because you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody knows everybody in this show, you mean him
Speaker 1: of the ball bearing fortune. So they follow Melinda into
Speaker 1: the bedroom where they have a very graphic body reveal
Speaker 1: of Tommy's mom. They're like she was raped, sodomized, and
Speaker 1: bludgeon and then they like take the comforter off and
Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, I can see where all those
Speaker 1: injuries happened. There's just like blood everywhere. She's like lying
Speaker 1: there like eyes open, very just dead. And Melinda goes
Speaker 1: and makes it worse and says, not only is this
Speaker 1: a horror, horrific scene, but this woman slowly bled to death,
Speaker 1: so don't worry. It didn't happen quickly. So no DNA
Speaker 1: was found on her because the object used to sexually
Speaker 1: assault her was a candlestick, which they hold up and
Speaker 1: show that it's really really graphic. As Stabler Stabler goes
Speaker 1: sounds like this guy has anger issues and it's like
Speaker 1: takes one to no one. And there's a partial bloody
Speaker 1: print from a tennis shoe on the carpet. That's like
Speaker 1: pretty much one of the only pieces of evidence they found.
Speaker 1: Another person that lives in the home is Charlotte, the
Speaker 1: sixteen year old daughter, but she is not home at
Speaker 1: the moment, and Daddy Stabler's like at one am, and
Speaker 1: the brother said she was spending the weekend at a
Speaker 1: friend's house. So Tommy is pretty traumatized, they say, and duh,
Speaker 1: but they held off talking on him until SVU got there,
Speaker 1: so they go talk to him. He's super cute, this kid.
Speaker 1: He's just like staring off into space, looking so like upset,
Speaker 1: and no child is like a bowl cut. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but of course no child can resist Olivia Bens's patented
Speaker 1: tell me what you saw speech. He said, a monster
Speaker 1: hurt my daddy, and then we cut to the credits.
Speaker 1: So now at the top of act one, we're at
Speaker 1: the priestinct. Craigan shows up in black tie. Benson immediately
Speaker 1: rips on and what no top hat? And it turns
Speaker 1: out he was at a city councilman daughter's wedding and
Speaker 1: Daddy Craigan got pulled out of the after party for
Speaker 1: updates on this case, and I'm like, Craigan, you're out
Speaker 1: at a wedding after party at two am. What's going on?
Speaker 1: So they're talking about motive. Plenty of mob people could
Speaker 1: want to get back at Sydney. Could be someone that
Speaker 1: came for him and didn't know that they were separated,
Speaker 1: so they were actually looking for Sydney. Does anyone have
Speaker 1: a grudge against the mom? And they're like, she's a
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical sales rep. Doesn't seem like there'd be a ton
Speaker 1: of enemies there. Hard to run a background check on
Speaker 1: the family at this hour, and the daughter is still
Speaker 1: unaccounted for. Finn figures out the friend that Charlotte might
Speaker 1: be staying with, so at the apartment of said friend,
Speaker 1: the girl is like, no, she left before I woke up.
Speaker 1: I don't know where she went. And the mom shows
Speaker 1: up and blows up her whole story and it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: stop lying to the police. Charlotte wasn't here and she
Speaker 1: is no longer allowed in our home. And they're like
Speaker 1: what's up? And the mom's like she used to be nice,
Speaker 1: but she started lying and skipping school. She's probably on drugs.
Speaker 1: And the daughter's like, mom, shut up, and the mother
Speaker 1: is like, she doesn't even like your ass. She just
Speaker 1: uses you as a cover story. And then as they're leaving,
Speaker 1: the daughter's like, listen, Charlotte's not a bad person. It's
Speaker 1: her mom, because clearly they both hate their moms for, like,
Speaker 1: you know, being moms. This girl reveals that Charlotte has
Speaker 1: a boyfriend named Ryan Beckford, but that Charlotte's mom hates
Speaker 1: him won't let her date him, and that's why she
Speaker 1: has to lie. And where does he live? And she
Speaker 1: immediately knows. I wonder if this is true in New York,
Speaker 1: that all the kids just know the names of the
Speaker 1: buildings where other kids in their class live. He lives
Speaker 1: at the Packard on First Avenue. So they show up
Speaker 1: to this apartment. Ryan answers the door shirtless. He looks
Speaker 1: familiar this actor, so I look him up and he
Speaker 1: was on Guiding Light for like one hundred episodes, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't act that much anymore. And now he's a
Speaker 1: professional organizer. He says, he's a personal organizer to the
Speaker 1: stars with a business called the OCD experience, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure people with actual OCD don't appreciate, but I thought
Speaker 1: that was an interesting little fun fact about this guy.
Speaker 1: He wants to know like a million trouble and he's like,
Speaker 1: Charlotte's sixteen and I'm nineteen, so there's nothing illegal. And
Speaker 1: they're like, where are your parents? And he's like in
Speaker 1: Saint Bart's and his apartment. Of course the parents are
Speaker 1: in St. Bart's. This apartment has like insane views, like
Speaker 1: gorgeous views, which if he's on First Avenue, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: this is just views of Queens and Brooklyn. And he
Speaker 1: calls to Charlotte. He's like, babe, come down here. She
Speaker 1: comes down a spiral staircase in a New York apartment,
Speaker 1: just to continue to add how nice it is. And
Speaker 1: she's like, ay, let me guess my dumb parents sent you.
Speaker 1: And they tell her there's been an accident and she's like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's a trick. My parents are psychos who fake accidents
Speaker 1: to get me to stop dating my boyfriend. And this
Speaker 1: actor is Emily van Camp. She is a Canadian actress
Speaker 1: who I discovered on the show Brothers and Sisters, which
Speaker 1: was like an ensemble drama where she actually plays the
Speaker 1: secret daughter of Tom Scarrett, who we've had on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people also know her
Speaker 1: for starring in Revenge, which as a show I've never
Speaker 1: seen one minute of, but I know people were really
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. That to me seemed like a show
Speaker 1: that was like Scandal pre Scandal, like a good soapy
Speaker 1: nighttime show about like family dynamics and crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: probably crimes happening and stuff like that. What's wild about her?
Speaker 1: She's okay.
Speaker 2: She was in a show called Everwood, eighty nine episodes
Speaker 2: Brothers and Sisters. Yeah, seventy five episodes, eighty nine episodes
Speaker 2: of Revenge, and then seventy six episodes of a show
Speaker 2: called The Resident.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying, this is where does she find
Speaker 1: the time? Miss? She's so famous, but she only has
Speaker 1: twenty nine credits because she's always just the star. She's
Speaker 1: always just a series regular and something that lasts for
Speaker 1: like ten seasons.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe she's been a series regular of
Speaker 2: over like four shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't see that like all the time.
Speaker 1: Like I think most people are lucky to get one
Speaker 1: show like that. And she just seems like she kind
Speaker 1: of got discovered Ever Would and then like that's where
Speaker 1: she was in something else before ever Would. That I
Speaker 1: think was her actual discovery. But you know, just going
Speaker 1: to do tons and the Resident I think just ended
Speaker 1: last year, so she's working, probably getting so much money
Speaker 1: in like I don't know. I don't think Brothers and
Speaker 1: Sisters plays in residuals, but like the Resident might or
Speaker 1: Revenge might like play in other countries or play on cable.
Speaker 1: Who knows. So that this is Emily van camp I again,
Speaker 1: I know her as a Brother's and Sister's Gal, which
Speaker 1: was famously a show I stuck with for a long
Speaker 1: time and eventually had to give up, even though I'm
Speaker 1: very loyal to shows. The detectives are like, throw a
Speaker 1: bra on and come with us, and she's like no,
Speaker 1: And then Stabler cuts to the chase and is like
Speaker 1: your dad's in the hospital and your mom's dead, and
Speaker 1: it's really wild. He just like is like, all right,
Speaker 1: this little brat's not gonna come with us. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to tell her what's up, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Like she's being annoying. Yeah, the balls on all these
Speaker 1: kids yeah. She looks like shook, shocked, but not like upset,
Speaker 1: Like she's not immediately crying. She's just like And the
Speaker 1: boyfriend's like, oh, babe, let me come with you. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: be alone. She goes, no, stay here, I gotta go
Speaker 1: be with my brother. So now at the precinct, Charlotte
Speaker 1: busts in like Tommy, I'm here, and he bolts screaming,
Speaker 1: get away for me, get away for me. So she's like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with him? And Huang is like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: just traumatized, and she says that they have an aunt
Speaker 1: in Riverdale they could stay with, and when asked about enemies,
Speaker 1: she's like, come on, half the city hates my dad's
Speaker 1: guts because of all these cases he does. He's like
Speaker 1: a mob like he defends mob people. So we find
Speaker 1: out that he hired a PI recently Sydney because their
Speaker 1: home had been graffiti. They'd had their trash gone through
Speaker 1: and like spread out all over the place, bags of
Speaker 1: shit on fire in front of their home, swasaka's on
Speaker 1: the front of their house, and then the family cat
Speaker 1: was missing and showed up in pieces on their doorstep,
Speaker 1: and they show like a bunch of boxes like they shipped,
Speaker 1: like they mailed the cat or something or left it
Speaker 1: on boxes on their doorsteps. Sorry, I know we have
Speaker 1: a lot of cat listeners the trigger warning a cat
Speaker 1: we never see has been killed by the mob. So
Speaker 1: now we're talking to a mob specialist, I guess, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, my top guest would be Luccio Ricci.
Speaker 1: He's a sicko. His dad was Sydney's client, but Sydney
Speaker 1: lost a big racketeering case for the dad and then
Speaker 1: the FEDS took everything they had and Luccio blamed Sydney
Speaker 1: for everything. So like, take a look at this hate
Speaker 1: mail that we have from him, and it's like this
Speaker 1: whole letter that's like I'm going to kill your family,
Speaker 1: I hate you, blah blah blah. And the handwriting is
Speaker 1: a match because this this mob specialist detective or whatever
Speaker 1: has done a handwriting analysis. So they're like, well, why
Speaker 1: haven't you gone after him if he's doing all this stuff,
Speaker 1: And they're like, Sidney wouldn't let us. He felt bad
Speaker 1: that he didn't get the dad off, that the dad
Speaker 1: got convicted, and so he's like, yeah, let Luccio have
Speaker 1: his little temper tantrum. But you know, they're like, where
Speaker 1: can we find him? He hangs out at San Marco
Speaker 1: Hall in Little Italy, which is funny because I don't
Speaker 1: really know if the mob actually hangs out in Little
Speaker 1: Italy that much anymore. But they go into this place
Speaker 1: and it's very sopranos Isi there. Okay, it's very like
Speaker 1: I'm very much getting like a Sopranos vibe. Luccio like, oh,
Speaker 1: that scumbag lawyer. I never touched a hair on his head.
Speaker 1: I was just playing like he admits to doing all
Speaker 1: these like sort of pranky things. Unfortunately the cat was
Speaker 1: a victim. But he's like, if someone says I heard him,
Speaker 1: I'm being framed. I never did anything to him or
Speaker 1: his family. You just ask him and they're like, well
Speaker 1: we will, because they had just gotten a phone call
Speaker 1: and he's awake. So at the hospital, Sydney has a
Speaker 1: Liza Fave and all the way around the head bandage on,
Speaker 1: and they're telling him don't worry, Tommy wasn't hurt, and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, what's but they're asking him like what's
Speaker 1: up with all these threats? And he goes, oh, you mean, Luccio,
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I know about those, but when I
Speaker 1: moved out of the apartment, the threat stopped. He goes,
Speaker 1: you think he killed my wife? And he says, I
Speaker 1: don't remember anything. The doctors are saying I might have
Speaker 1: temporary memory loss. He remembers walking Tommy up and then
Speaker 1: feeling a terrible pain and he must have blacked out,
Speaker 1: and when he opens his eyes, he says, I saw
Speaker 1: and then he hesitates. There's like a long pause. Music
Speaker 1: is swelling, and then he says he saw his running
Speaker 1: down the hallway. It was Charlotte, she killed her mother.
Speaker 1: But he goes mother, he's trying really hard to do
Speaker 1: a New York accident. It's very funny. It was Charlotte,
Speaker 1: she killed a mother. That's the end of act one.
Speaker 1: Done Done. So now they're talking to Charlotte at the
Speaker 1: precinct and she's like, I told you I wasn't home
Speaker 1: that night, and they're like, yeah, but your father saw
Speaker 1: you and she's like he's a lawyer, he lies for
Speaker 1: a living. And then they're like, well, what's your relationship
Speaker 1: like with him? And she's like, well, it's fine. We
Speaker 1: get along fine because he's never home and he's not around.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, what about your mom, And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: her idea of parenting was locking me up so she
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with me. I had to lie
Speaker 1: because she hated my boyfriend for no reason and would't
Speaker 1: let us be together. So she says, we went out
Speaker 1: that night to a friend's place. I got pretty wasted.
Speaker 1: Then we left and went back to Ryan's place and
Speaker 1: I was there until you guys woke us up. And
Speaker 1: she's like, we need names from the party, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not dragging my friends into this a whole my
Speaker 1: mom brutally got murdered thing, you know, like that's not
Speaker 1: for them, and then lives like, you better make a list, bitch,
Speaker 1: before we question every kid in the school. And so
Speaker 1: we cut to a series of interviews that are true comedy,
Speaker 1: Like they're all these teens and they're like all with
Speaker 1: creepy smiles plastered on their faces, just lying like no, actually, officer,
Speaker 1: I was babysitting all night. Like cut to a kid
Speaker 1: being like I was writing a paper, and like they
Speaker 1: were all just saying whatever bullshit they were doing on
Speaker 1: Friday night. And then this other girl they talked to
Speaker 1: goes I was at a movie with another girl and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, that girl said she was babysitting and
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, I was watching a movie with her
Speaker 1: at the babysitting job. And they're like, bitch, it's over,
Speaker 1: like stop, and she's like, fuck, I knew we were
Speaker 1: gonna get caught. We had a party and like she
Speaker 1: sings like a canary, She's like there was a party,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And then now we're with all the
Speaker 1: psycho kids that were all lying, and they're all on
Speaker 1: the steps like thanks for ratting us out sues. And
Speaker 1: then they're like, we want to know what Charlotte did
Speaker 1: that night, and one kid says, oh, baby blues valum
Speaker 1: and one kid's like they just meant, like what she did,
Speaker 1: They didn't mean like what drugs. Stop giving out too
Speaker 1: much information to the cops. So now they've moved all
Speaker 1: of these four kids to a classroom and one kid admits, yeah,
Speaker 1: the valume was my mom's. It was a farm party,
Speaker 1: not farm with an f farm with a pH. Everybody
Speaker 1: puts random pills in a bowl and you take what
Speaker 1: you want. I have never heard of that, but I
Speaker 1: do know my brother used to take my mom's pharmaceuticals
Speaker 1: and just bring them to parties and they would just
Speaker 1: see what happens. But I don't think it was grab bag,
Speaker 1: like let's just like see what we pop in. That
Speaker 1: feels like reckless, even for teens to like just not
Speaker 1: even know what you're putting in. And then a kid
Speaker 1: in a backwards newsboy cap was like, yeah, I took
Speaker 1: adderall it keeps you up. And I can guarantee he
Speaker 1: was the most annoying person to talk to at that
Speaker 1: party for sure. And they all say what they took,
Speaker 1: like I was doing this, I was taking that, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And then they're like, what were Charlotte and
Speaker 1: Ryan doing? And they were like, oh, they were skittling.
Speaker 1: That's over the counter cold tablets. They look like candy.
Speaker 1: You take a bunch of those and you're flying, I think,
Speaker 1: especially also if you drink with it. And then they
Speaker 1: said Ryan also took oxy. Charlotte said she was going
Speaker 1: to go home, but who knows where she was going.
Speaker 1: She could barely stand, and Stabler's like, you guys are
Speaker 1: lucky you didn't die, and the redheaded girl goes, it's
Speaker 1: medicine from a doctor. It's not like we're taking crack
Speaker 1: or heroin. And I do kind of love that this
Speaker 1: show is tackling this because I think that the oxy
Speaker 1: coton thing like got more big in the twenty tens.
Speaker 1: This episode is from like oh seven, you know, like
Speaker 1: people just like I don't know that people knew that
Speaker 1: we were in such a pharmaceutical epidemic at that time yet,
Speaker 1: and the show I'm like opposite.
Speaker 2: I trust street drugs way more than a pharmaceutical company,
Speaker 2: right right, because.
Speaker 1: You just don't know, Like some people die taking the
Speaker 1: drugs they were supposed to take, like they just took
Speaker 1: it with the wrong other drug. Like We've heard of
Speaker 1: so many people like that where it's like completely innocent.
Speaker 1: They weren't even trying to get fucked up. They were
Speaker 1: just taking their regular medicine and they didn't realize that
Speaker 1: if you take it with X for a muscle thing,
Speaker 1: it could fuck you up. So I am totally the opposite, Like,
Speaker 1: but it is funny how this girl is like it's
Speaker 1: from a doctor, it can't hurt you. And now Benson
Speaker 1: and Stabler are having a chili alfresco walk and talk
Speaker 1: with Huang and they're like saying, how Charlotte was on
Speaker 1: cold meds and valium. That's not exactly going to throw
Speaker 1: you into a rage, and Live says, well, maybe she
Speaker 1: went home to grab more drugs and the mom has
Speaker 1: samples because the mom's a farmer rep So Huang says,
Speaker 1: they checked the whole house, but they forgot the basement,
Speaker 1: which he just seems to remember that they did that,
Speaker 1: which is great for the television program because now we
Speaker 1: can just cut to the detectives. In the basement, there's
Speaker 1: a huge mess of pills, papers and shit are everywhere,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like a pile of pills in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room, which like shit strewn about, like
Speaker 1: this place got ransacked. Huang says, any combo of these
Speaker 1: pills could make you violent. The more pills she popped,
Speaker 1: the more violent she'd get. Then our girl Lisa La
Speaker 1: Pira pops up and she's like, we might be able
Speaker 1: to figure out what exactly they took. Boom, there's peep
Speaker 1: in the body. Okay, there is urine in one of
Speaker 1: the toilets, and they're going to test that shit and
Speaker 1: see what's up. So Melinda says, there's no DNA from
Speaker 1: the toilet situation, but the but the urine was positive
Speaker 1: for benzos, opiates, and cold pills, but the pills wouldn't
Speaker 1: have hit her so quickly. Melinda says that she didn't
Speaker 1: have time to metabolize them. But her blood alcohol was
Speaker 1: point two five, so she was extremely wasted, Like that's
Speaker 1: very very drunk, Like point one is like you can't drive,
Speaker 1: and point two five is like two and a half
Speaker 1: times that. So she was wasted enough to attack her
Speaker 1: mom and not understand, Melinda says. And so then they
Speaker 1: go talk to Charlotte again and she goes, there's no
Speaker 1: way I went home. I would never go home. I
Speaker 1: was high and my mom would kill me. So I
Speaker 1: went to Ryan's and they're like, no, you needed a
Speaker 1: pit stop once the candy bowl was dry. Your mom
Speaker 1: caught you and you beat her to death. And she's like,
Speaker 1: I think I would remember that. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: do you remember what you were wearing? And she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all at Ryan's, like jeans, a T shirt, my
Speaker 1: green sweater. So now we're at Ryan's seeing Stabler gather
Speaker 1: up all the clothes and then he finds her tennis
Speaker 1: shoe and boom, it has blood on the bottom of it.
Speaker 1: It gets tested and it was her mother's blood. They
Speaker 1: put the shoe in front of her and she's like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck, I was there. I don't remember it. But
Speaker 1: then she goes, I did it. I killed my mom,
Speaker 1: and then out of nowhere, punches her arm through the
Speaker 1: two way glass in the fish bowl that we call it,
Speaker 1: like the one way glass, I'm sorry, like the glass
Speaker 1: that they look at through the interrogation. Just puts her
Speaker 1: little sixteen year old arm right through it. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how strong that glasses, if a teen can
Speaker 1: just fucking punch right through it. But now her arm
Speaker 1: is badly cut and bleeding. Craig, I also don't.
Speaker 2: Believe that she doesn't remember or know anything, because like
Speaker 2: you would try to hide that evidence, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, would like leave a bloody tennis shoe. It's like,
Speaker 1: your dad's a lawyer. You've picked up some stuff about
Speaker 1: how to defend your like about how to hide your crimes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. So Craigan calls a bus and
Speaker 1: calls it an attempted suicide, which seems like a stretch
Speaker 1: to me, Like I think she was just freaking out
Speaker 1: and punched the thing. I don't know that she necessarily
Speaker 1: thought that I was going to end her life. But
Speaker 1: you know Craigan categorizing it. Top of Act three, they're
Speaker 1: at the hospital Sydney. Trux is there. He's now he's
Speaker 1: just he's downgraded from around the head bandage to just
Speaker 1: one big bandage on his forehead. And he's like screaming
Speaker 1: at the cops, what did you do to my daughter?
Speaker 1: You interrogated her without a lawyer. She is in no
Speaker 1: sense detective, Like the accent is so wild. I do love.
Speaker 1: He's just trying to cover up his Britishness and he says,
Speaker 1: They're like, you said you saw her there, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I had a head injury. I don't know what I saw.
Speaker 1: You better stay away from her. And they're like she's
Speaker 1: going to Rikers and he goes, oh, my dead body.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Sydney Walk and talk with
Speaker 1: dian Neale aka Casey Novak and Kate. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a huge moment for dian Neil if you can
Speaker 1: go back and watch it and imagine how giddy she
Speaker 1: is that she's getting to walk with this man that
Speaker 1: she loves, and Casey is like begging him like, do
Speaker 1: not represent your own daughter in court. That is a
Speaker 1: bad idea. And he's like, no, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: And he's like and I'm gonna win. He's like, my
Speaker 1: daughter is a repress drug addict who needs help, not prison,
Speaker 1: and and he says, the jury's gonna see her as
Speaker 1: a victim. And Casey's like not after they see the
Speaker 1: crime scene pictures and hear how Charlotte sodomized her own
Speaker 1: mother with a candlestick, Like this is not gonna go great.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I'm going for a not guilty
Speaker 1: by mental disease or defect defense and Casey's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll let Huang interviewer. So cut to Huang talking to
Speaker 1: Charlotte in the hospital where she's recovering from her glass
Speaker 1: punching incident. She says she and her mother never had
Speaker 1: a relationship because the mother never had time for her.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, I get the herb's pharmaceutical rep.
Speaker 1: But like, my friend's a pharmaceutical rep and she's a
Speaker 1: single mom of two. She's a great mom. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like, you know, everything in SVU
Speaker 1: is the most high powered pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like, oh, she doesn't have time for me,
Speaker 2: but also if I came home high, she would kill me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like wishes yea, yeah, yeah, Well it sounds
Speaker 1: like maybe she's one of these moms that's like doesn't
Speaker 1: really pay a lot of attention to the kid and
Speaker 1: spend quality time, but just throws out a lot of
Speaker 1: rules and doles out a lot of like you know, boundary,
Speaker 1: but like doesn't give back the other, like the loving
Speaker 1: part of the relationship. But you know, I'm not blaming
Speaker 1: a victim here. I'm just saying from what I'm gathering. No,
Speaker 1: you're saying she deserved to die. I'm saying she deserved
Speaker 1: to die in a horrible, bloody way and have her
Speaker 1: son dangle her lifeless arm trying to wake her up. Now,
Speaker 1: of course not, I just it's also not a real person.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. She says they were
Speaker 1: always fighting and they're like about what, And she's like,
Speaker 1: what what do you want? Like teen shit, curfews, clothes, smoking, parties, boys, everything,
Speaker 1: And she said the fights got worse as she got
Speaker 1: older and she started fighting back. She's like, well, did
Speaker 1: it ever get physical? She's like well, she threw a
Speaker 1: pile of dirty clothes at me and said that I
Speaker 1: couldn't go out until I did my laundry. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's hardly feels like physical, like a pile of dirty clothes.
Speaker 1: Those are soft. She said her mom blocked her when
Speaker 1: she tried to get by her, and then she pushed
Speaker 1: her out of the way and she fell down the stairs.
Speaker 1: So the mom said she popped a few viked in
Speaker 1: and she was fine. But then last month, the mom
Speaker 1: smacked her for taking money out of her wallet. She
Speaker 1: said she hit her back and that stopped her, and
Speaker 1: she said she never laid a hand on me again.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I wonder if the mom would
Speaker 1: have gotten more abusive. But uh Huang tells Casey that
Speaker 1: the mother and daughter had a volatile relationship that turned
Speaker 1: violent long before the attack. This but it seems like
Speaker 1: it was only a month ago and it was one slap.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can count the laundry, but
Speaker 1: maybe there was other stuff. This plus drugs were lethal.
Speaker 1: The rage was there even and the drugs would have
Speaker 1: exacerbated that. And so Huang says she learned how to
Speaker 1: use violence to her benefit, like a while ago. She
Speaker 1: learned that violence is what got her what she wanted.
Speaker 1: So then Novak says, now I can't accept the insanity
Speaker 1: plea that I know that there's this history of violence.
Speaker 1: Then she gets a phone call. She's like Novac sex crimes.
Speaker 1: She listens for one second and goes, this changes everything
Speaker 1: that was Warner. She double checked the yearine they found
Speaker 1: and done done. It's from a man. So Ryan must
Speaker 1: have been with her. Let's see if Tommy can I
Speaker 1: d him. So we cut to this little bowl cut
Speaker 1: cutie looking at headshots of deadbeats, and when he sees
Speaker 1: Ryan's picture, he goes, that's him. That's the monster who
Speaker 1: hurt my daddy. It's interesting that Tommy wouldn't know what
Speaker 1: Ryan looked like anyway, like just from dating the sister
Speaker 1: for a little while. Maybe I don't think he was
Speaker 1: allowed in the house. I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler go find Ryan. He runs. He's coming
Speaker 1: out of his apartment building. They're like, Ryan, he runs,
Speaker 1: They chase him, and Stabler is a vision in denhim. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got a full Canadian tuxedo on. Ryan tries to
Speaker 1: climb a fence. They fight. Ryan keeps throwing punches at Stabler,
Speaker 1: but eventually Stabler gives him one big punch in the face,
Speaker 1: gets him down on the ground to cuff him. When
Speaker 1: he turns him over to cuff him, he realizes that
Speaker 1: he's gone limp and he's like, turns him back over
Speaker 1: and he's like Ryan. Ryan tries to get he's totally unconscious.
Speaker 1: He starts to administer CPR, but then Live shows up
Speaker 1: because she's tried to head him off a different way,
Speaker 1: so Lived has not seen the entire attack, but she
Speaker 1: gets there as the cuffing is happening, and liv takes
Speaker 1: his pulse and is like he's dead, and Stabler looks
Speaker 1: panicked rightfully, so because like he didn't mean to kill
Speaker 1: you get the impression. At the scene, Melinda's asking Live
Speaker 1: questions while Craigan asks Elliott questions. Everyone is confused. Lives like,
Speaker 1: I never saw Elliott use a choke hold, but I
Speaker 1: saw Ryan throw a ton of punches at Elliott. And
Speaker 1: then he's telling Craigan what happened. When our pal Bobby
Speaker 1: Burke shows up. That's John Robert Burke aka Tucker from
Speaker 1: IAB walks up. Stabler's like here comes the rat squad,
Speaker 1: so we know IAB gets involved. You know shit's about
Speaker 1: to get real. So cuts to an almost pitch black
Speaker 1: interrogation room, like they have not paid their light bill
Speaker 1: at IAB. Tucker and Stabler are in the dark, staring
Speaker 1: at each other like with they truly light Tucker and
Speaker 1: act like he is Darth Vader. Yeah, it is just
Speaker 1: the doom and gloom is coming. They give him one
Speaker 1: of the craziest arcs on that show ever, because then
Speaker 1: you just like love him by the time he dies.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert if you're only on season eight. Tucker is
Speaker 1: laying into Stabler about how all these witnesses saw you
Speaker 1: beat Ryan, and Stabler's calm. He's like, no, I restrain
Speaker 1: him after he attacked me. I used no unnecessary force.
Speaker 1: And he's like, he got five punches in on me,
Speaker 1: and then I punched him back once and then you know,
Speaker 1: Tucker's like, so all the witnesses are lying, and he's like,
Speaker 1: it's ten witnesses. That's not good and you should really
Speaker 1: control your temper, Detective, he says to him, and Tucker says,
Speaker 1: I can't risk someone with your anger issues on the
Speaker 1: street and suspends him. Stabler's like, I didn't kill that kid,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'll let Melinda be the final word
Speaker 1: on that. So Melinda's doing her autopsy. She's literally pulling
Speaker 1: out organs, recording her notes with a microphone that suspended,
Speaker 1: so she kind of looks like she's doing a science
Speaker 1: y open mic, and Benson busts in like kind of
Speaker 1: breathless like Melinda, and Melinda's like, I can't talk to
Speaker 1: you about this, and lives like, well, do you know
Speaker 1: what happened? And she's like, he bled to death internally
Speaker 1: because his spleen was ruptured, and the only way his
Speaker 1: spleen could have been ruptured is from blunt force trauma. Now,
Speaker 1: I googled the spleen. I think I thought the spleen
Speaker 1: was like way down, sort of like where your abdomen
Speaker 1: is up higher. It's kind of like it looks like
Speaker 1: it's under your rib cage a little bit, like it's
Speaker 1: up much a higher in your body than I thought
Speaker 1: it was. Benson is standing up for Elliott, like he
Speaker 1: didn't beat him, you know that, Melinda, you know him?
Speaker 1: And Melinda's like, I know what the body tells me.
Speaker 1: I'm very uh, you know I'm not emotional about these things.
Speaker 1: She wants Elliot exonerated too, but the spleen is the
Speaker 1: only cause of death, and by homicide, and that's why
Speaker 1: how she's going to rule the music intensive eyes and
Speaker 1: lives like, well, if you can't prove he didn't murder anyone,
Speaker 1: I will so live and you know, Live has these
Speaker 1: like beautiful curtain bangs and ponytail. I do like this
Speaker 1: part of her hair journey. I really like this part.
Speaker 1: So liv goes to talk to Sidney Truex and she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to your daughter again, and he's like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't remember anything, and lives like, that's why I
Speaker 1: want to give her a sodium amatal interview. And that's
Speaker 1: also known as truth serum. They it's it's used sometimes,
Speaker 1: but it's not accepted by Quartz. And he's like, my
Speaker 1: daughter's a recovering drug addict. You want me to let her,
Speaker 1: let you pump her full of drugs to save your
Speaker 1: partner's ass. And she's like, well, if you'll recall, sir,
Speaker 1: your daughter is still charged with her mother's murder. So
Speaker 1: if Ryan is the killer, this will exonerate her as well,
Speaker 1: because right now the jury is going to see Ryan
Speaker 1: as a defenseless victim beaten by a cop, but Charlotte's
Speaker 1: testimony could swing the guilt back over to Ryan. And
Speaker 1: he tells liv Wow, you should have been a lawyer,
Speaker 1: because like he's guessing that's like Live's whole tack and
Speaker 1: it is. She's like, I have no hard proof. I
Speaker 1: need to prove that Ryan killed your wife. So we
Speaker 1: cut the wong, giving the sodium amateal interview to Charlotte.
Speaker 1: She's lying down, eyes closed. It sort of feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, it sort of feels like Audreanna's ketamine thing
Speaker 1: before she starts crying and going crazy. If you're a
Speaker 1: house kettemine is in. It's in. Oh and it's done
Speaker 1: been in. It's been in for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I have a couple friends that do it regularly as therapy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, people are really experimenting with it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: I've heard kenemine and tried to reach the housewives that's mainstream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. But ketamine and exus. I believe
Speaker 1: MDMA they're using for Like I had my friend who
Speaker 1: passed away a year or so ago, used MDMA in
Speaker 1: her like before, for a lot of her therapy to
Speaker 1: sort of like accept her, you know, her fate of
Speaker 1: like what was going to happen. And she told us
Speaker 1: a lot about her therapy doing that. It's interesting, like
Speaker 1: what some of these drugs can be used for good? Well,
Speaker 1: obviously kettyman is usually used to tranquilize a horse, but
Speaker 1: you know it's also used in parties. So Charlotte is
Speaker 1: lying there, still eyes closed, telling him quietly, calmly, everything
Speaker 1: about the evening of the murder. She remembers the party.
Speaker 1: She's mad at her mom because she said that her
Speaker 1: mom told her she has to break up with Ryan.
Speaker 1: That night, Ryan is xing, which I would assume main's ecstasy,
Speaker 1: but I don't think anyone's really brought that up yet,
Speaker 1: so maybe it means he's crossing like oxy. Oh oxy,
Speaker 1: it's probably oxy. He wants more drugs, but there aren't any,
Speaker 1: so he leaves and she follows him because he has
Speaker 1: her keys. But he gets in a cab and she
Speaker 1: doesn't have any money, so she walks home. The door
Speaker 1: is open when she gets there. She inside, Ryan is
Speaker 1: coming up from the basement with all these pill.
Speaker 2: Boxes, just a little hokey, this truth serum therapy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really hard for me to get behind this.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like you don't really know how
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, so you just kind of like
Speaker 1: unlock someone in the memory, you know. So she follows
Speaker 1: him upstairs. He says, give me the good stuff or
Speaker 1: I'll kill you. The mom sees Charlotte and says, I'm
Speaker 1: calling the cops, and then he drags the mother into
Speaker 1: the bedroom. Charlotte goes into the bedroom, her own bedroom,
Speaker 1: to lie down because she's so tired, but then she
Speaker 1: hears her mom screaming. Goes into her mother's bedroom. Ryan
Speaker 1: is on top of her, hitting her. There's so much blood.
Speaker 1: The screaming finally stops. Ryan has something shiny, clearly talking
Speaker 1: about the candlestick. He does horrible things to her. The
Speaker 1: door slams, and then she hears dad and Tommy are
Speaker 1: coming upstairs. She hears a crash. Her dad is on
Speaker 1: the ground. Tommy looks so scared. I want to help him,
Speaker 1: but he runs away. So this explains why Tommy was like,
Speaker 1: get the fuck away from me. But I wonder why
Speaker 1: Tommy never said Charlotte was there, Probably scared because it's
Speaker 1: his sister and she has access to him. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like brothers and sisters love to taddle on
Speaker 1: each other, and if he had said she was there
Speaker 1: would have saved everybody a lot of time, and honestly,
Speaker 1: Ryan would probably still.
Speaker 2: But so like siblings having issues as if they're close
Speaker 2: in age, like this teen and this little boy aren't
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna tell you know, it's like different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my sister's ten years.
Speaker 2: Older than me, and like a lot of people have
Speaker 2: a lot of physical violence with their siblings, and it's
Speaker 2: like it would be crazy if this teen was beating
Speaker 2: a young baby, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, not beating, but just like scared of what
Speaker 1: she might do now that he's seen this violent thing.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Like I feel like the kid
Speaker 1: would have been like and Charlotte was there, and like
Speaker 1: maybe there could have been a thing where they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't see Charlotte, like she couldn't have been there
Speaker 1: or something like they deny what he's saying, but like
Speaker 1: I think he would have said that she was there,
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm you know, he was very traumatized as well,
Speaker 1: so then she continues and says, I hear the alarm,
Speaker 1: but then we just leave and we go back to Ryan's.
Speaker 1: So the dad is hearing this whole thing, and he's stunned. Also,
Speaker 1: don't you have to think that Ryan was probably so
Speaker 1: psyched when he woke up in the morning and realized
Speaker 1: his girlfriend didn't remember a goddamn thing, Like he was
Speaker 1: probably like so about last night and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that party was crazy, right, and he's like, cool, you
Speaker 1: don't remember anything, Like so, if Ryan did it, then
Speaker 1: why did Charlotte confess, live, asks Huang, and Huang's like, well,
Speaker 1: she was high. She has no conscious memory of the murder.
Speaker 1: She just felt guilty and she confessed and her blood
Speaker 1: was on the tennis shoes. She thought, oh, I must
Speaker 1: have done this. It is still pretty wild to confess
Speaker 1: something you have no memory of. But the dad is
Speaker 1: shocked and he was like, he was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was going to try to get her off of this,
Speaker 1: but even though deep down I thought she did do it.
Speaker 1: And I think he's just like happy and relieved to
Speaker 1: hear that she didn't do it. But he was like,
Speaker 1: I was going to use all my fucking law tricks
Speaker 1: to get her off, even if she is a cold
Speaker 1: blooded murderer who killed my wife and did horrific things
Speaker 1: with her body. So Casey are having another like late
Speaker 1: night chat that we've seen before. Casey's like, well, the
Speaker 1: sodium amtal interview is not admissible in court, but it's
Speaker 1: enough to convince me, so I'll drop the murder charge.
Speaker 1: Didn't realize that could happen. But IAB isn't going to
Speaker 1: ruin Elliott's career because some murder died in his custody.
Speaker 1: And a guy comes by and is like, Casey, turn
Speaker 1: on channel ten and then and there's cell phone footage
Speaker 1: of Stabler and Ryan's scuffle and it's on the news.
Speaker 1: Ryan's family wants Elliott charged with his murder because there's
Speaker 1: Saint Bart's rich family there. Obviously, like, hold the cops accountable,
Speaker 1: even though our son might be a murderer. Casey goes again,
Speaker 1: this changes everything, and it's the second time in the
Speaker 1: episode she said that, And now IAB is going to
Speaker 1: have to go after Elliott. She says, like, there's no
Speaker 1: way they can sweep this under the rug now that
Speaker 1: it's gotten so public and that there's video of the scuffle.
Speaker 1: So liv gets a call and she's like, I'll be
Speaker 1: right there. So now she's at IAB for her interview
Speaker 1: in the darkness, and Tucker is asking her questions. She says,
Speaker 1: Elliott is always professional. I support his actions and his decisions.
Speaker 1: They start going through Elliott's whole explosive pass like what
Speaker 1: about the time he did this, What about the time
Speaker 1: he did that? Every time he lives like that was
Speaker 1: to stop a child from who was kidnapped, That was
Speaker 1: to stop a child predator, like everything. She has a
Speaker 1: full answer for every single one, and then even after
Speaker 1: one of them she goes, well, after that one, he
Speaker 1: went into counseling. So Olivia is telling him like, look,
Speaker 1: we work in SVU, we got to do what we
Speaker 1: ought to do. This is about kids, people that are
Speaker 1: vulnerable victims. Meanwhile, Elliott is like, we're cutting to scenes
Speaker 1: of Elliott at an apartment getting drunk at the time
Speaker 1: of Olivia's interview. It's like overlaid over it. And if
Speaker 1: you'll remember, Elliott is not at this moment living at
Speaker 1: home with Kathy. They are separated, and because he is
Speaker 1: too married do his job and his marriage and his
Speaker 1: family life is suffering. Blah, blah blah. So Tucker brings
Speaker 1: up like every single time stable across the line, it's
Speaker 1: so many times, yeah I said that, and then she goes,
Speaker 1: my partner is not a killer. So now in Cragan's office,
Speaker 1: Elliot is basically giving up. He's like, yeah, listen, IAB's
Speaker 1: suspended me. The press has me already convicted. The grand
Speaker 1: jury's totally going to indict, Like that's a rap. Folks
Speaker 1: like Elliot's just not going to fight for himself and
Speaker 1: Live and Craigan are like, no, you have to fight,
Speaker 1: and he's like it's over. So now we're at Elliott's
Speaker 1: bachelor pad and he's like watching the footage over and
Speaker 1: over again, like trying to figure out like where he
Speaker 1: went wrong, like what did I do to this kid
Speaker 1: to kill him? And there's a knock at the door
Speaker 1: and it's Melinda. She's like, I just heard. I'm so sorry, Elliott,
Speaker 1: and I think she just heard. I don't know that
Speaker 1: the grand jury's going to go through. Yes, that IAB
Speaker 1: is going to like push for the grand jury and
Speaker 1: he's going to go to trial. And he says, whatever,
Speaker 1: you were doing your job, I wouldn't ask you to
Speaker 1: do anything different. So he's looking at the footage over
Speaker 1: and over and she sees him and she goes, don't
Speaker 1: torture yourself, and he goes, I never tried to hurt Ryan.
Speaker 1: I tried to save him. And Warner's like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean, and he goes, well, I gave him CPR.
Speaker 1: And Warner's like, well, no one told me that that
Speaker 1: changes everything. Literally, for the third time in the episode,
Speaker 1: someone goes that changes everything, which is funny because my
Speaker 1: husband and I say that there's always a point in
Speaker 1: every movie where someone says something like that, and we
Speaker 1: always use the movie Pollock, where Lily Taylor's character goes,
Speaker 1: you just blew the She goes, Pollock, you just blew
Speaker 1: the whole thing wide open, and like we say that
Speaker 1: all the time whenever there's like a whoa, you just
Speaker 1: changed the whole game. You know, there's always lines like
Speaker 1: that in movies and stuff. So they're killing that line
Speaker 1: three times in this episode. The chess compressions, Melinda says,
Speaker 1: are what could have ruptured the spleen. That's when I
Speaker 1: googled the spleen. I was like, where's the spleen? And
Speaker 1: it's not far from where you would be doing chess compressions.
Speaker 1: So Elliot's like, well, I had to do something. You
Speaker 1: stopped breathing, and Melinda's like, well, so he was dead
Speaker 1: before you ruptured his spleen. Then, so what killed him?
Speaker 1: And She's like, I didn't miss anything on autopsy. So
Speaker 1: he gives Melinda all the records and these two get
Speaker 1: down to a full like Homeland. They're about to start
Speaker 1: a board with red string on it, like these two
Speaker 1: are just going through files. They're crumpling up papers that
Speaker 1: are irrelevant, like these two are about to order a pizza.
Speaker 1: And then they realized from the toxicology he was on oxy,
Speaker 1: ecstasy and cold tablets. So I guess xing is when
Speaker 1: you're doing oxy and X And what else was in
Speaker 1: the candy bowl? And Elliott tells her valuum riddle in
Speaker 1: propranolol and vicotin and she goes, wait a second, propranolol
Speaker 1: is for people with heart problems. I need to see
Speaker 1: his medical records. So cut to trial. Melinda's on the
Speaker 1: stand saying explaining that Ryan had been diagnosed with a
Speaker 1: cardiac condition called long QT syndrome, an abnormal heart thing
Speaker 1: that can lead to cardiac arrest. Why were his medical
Speaker 1: records never examined previously. Is that not relevant to an autopsy?
Speaker 1: It seems like that would have that's would have made sense.
Speaker 1: It wasn't originally in her report because you can't see
Speaker 1: an arrhythmia on an autopsy. So he had a prescription,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't taking his meds. He was donating them
Speaker 1: to this party. So the stress of running from Elliott
Speaker 1: triggered the arrhythmia that killed him. Ryan, it turns out,
Speaker 1: brought propranolol to the farm party, which is really not
Speaker 1: fun for anybody. It's not the kind of stuff you
Speaker 1: bring to like get high and have fun. So now
Speaker 1: we're outside of the courtroom and a guy comes out
Speaker 1: and tells Elliot the jury's voted. You're all good, so
Speaker 1: he didn't get indicted, and you know, Elliott says thanks
Speaker 1: Live says welcome back. And then Elliott shows up at
Speaker 1: home his house with Kathy and says, Kathy, we need
Speaker 1: to talk. She says, I saw the news. I knew
Speaker 1: you didn't kill that boy, but it's like, did you
Speaker 1: not reach out? Like he's still still married. He's like
Speaker 1: on trial, he might go to jail, and he's like
Speaker 1: it's been a rough couple of days, and I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about what's important to me. I love my job
Speaker 1: and I love my family, and I almost lost both
Speaker 1: of them, and I want to come home. And Kathy
Speaker 1: gives like a face like she's thinking about it, but
Speaker 1: looks like she's leaning towards being like, no problem. And
Speaker 1: that's dick wolf baby, But I can see This episode
Speaker 1: to me feels like one of the most Bencelur heavy
Speaker 1: episodes where I can see why people think they're in
Speaker 1: love because she stops at nothing. She's like, there's no
Speaker 1: way he can have done this. It's like you've seen
Speaker 1: him use success of force a million times, but you're like,
Speaker 1: not my partner. There's just no way, Like she can't
Speaker 1: imagine working without him. If you're one of these people
Speaker 1: that ships the two of them, this episode's gonna give
Speaker 1: you a huge boner because she's fighting for him, fighting
Speaker 1: for him, fighting for him, and then when all her
Speaker 1: work pays off and she basically gets him exonerated, he
Speaker 1: goes home to Kathy, which is another blow for the
Speaker 1: Benchler people, you know, because that's not what they want
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 2: So I also really this episode, like when they go
Speaker 2: against Melinda in anyway like off with their heads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I when they're like, come on, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't do it.
Speaker 2: And it's like she could just only go off the evidence,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she
Speaker 2: will continue to fight.
Speaker 1: But it's like it is crazy because it's like the
Speaker 1: CPR was probably on the video footage, Like no one
Speaker 1: knew about the CPR. Like a lot of times when
Speaker 1: you get people's CPR, you like crack their sternum, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just would have assumed that that
Speaker 1: would have been included or like, oh the detail he
Speaker 1: was not breathing when I turned him over, like so
Speaker 1: he was dead before this CPR. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I love this episode. It's a wild one. Glad
Speaker 1: we got to do it. Yeah, and I know nothing
Speaker 1: about this case, so stay tuned for Lisa's full report.
Speaker 2: So this is like fucked because the case is so dark,
Speaker 2: so twisted, so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Barely any information, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Like the two papers I found, one was in New
Speaker 2: Zealand and one seems like a ragmag And we'll get
Speaker 2: into why. Like there's something with Canada where you can't
Speaker 2: publish names.
Speaker 1: But it's like.
Speaker 2: It is wild how limited information it is because the
Speaker 2: crime is pretty horrific. So yeah, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: I've lost my touch, but it was really hard finding
Speaker 2: information about this. So it happened in Canada, southeast Alberta
Speaker 2: along the South Saskatchewan River. And that's not that I'm in,
Speaker 2: but I did want to prove that I could say Saskatchewan,
Speaker 2: so that's why I put it in. And So this
Speaker 2: girl's name is Jasmine Richardson and she is the youngest
Speaker 2: person ever in Canada ever convicted of a multiple first
Speaker 2: degree murder counts, So that's her claim to fame. So
Speaker 2: April twenty third, two thousand and six, a young boy
Speaker 2: saw bodies through the window of the Richardson family home
Speaker 2: and that is what prompted, you know, authorities to come.
Speaker 2: So what was inside was that the previous night, Jasmine Richardson,
Speaker 2: twelve years old, stabbed her brother, Jacob, aged eight, to death,
Speaker 2: while her boyfriend killed her mom and dad.
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend, thank god, Tommy made it through. I know,
Speaker 1: in real life, the in face, but the real boy.
Speaker 2: So her boyfriend was twenty three years old and she
Speaker 2: is twelve EWW So obviously her parents did not want
Speaker 2: them to be together.
Speaker 1: Yes, so, and he.
Speaker 2: Described he's like a god and he considered himself a
Speaker 2: three hundred year old were wolf vampire, so that's what
Speaker 2: he thought his being was. And so obviously her parents
Speaker 2: were like, can you not go out with this twenty
Speaker 2: three year old who thinks he's a vampire were wolf
Speaker 2: who's three hundred years olds? Okay, So he was murdering
Speaker 2: the parents while she was killing her brother. He snuck
Speaker 2: him through the basement with a ski mask on and
Speaker 2: he had two knives with him. The mom heard a
Speaker 2: noise and went downstairs to investigate. That's when he began
Speaker 2: stabbing her, and her screams are what woke up her husband,
Speaker 2: and so then he went down and he was violently
Speaker 2: stabbed as well. So this dude stabbed the mother, Deborah Richardson,
Speaker 2: twelve times, including a twelve centimeter deep piercing in her heart.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that is deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then stabbed the father, Mark Richardson twenty four times,
Speaker 2: including nine stabs in his back. The dad asked, why
Speaker 2: are you doing this, and he said it was your
Speaker 2: daughter who wanted it. And this is according to the
Speaker 2: Daily Star. And I don't know how they would know
Speaker 2: this detail. Maybe it came out in court, but this
Speaker 2: just seems maybe maybe he said it, like in why
Speaker 2: am I forgetting the word interrogation whatever. So the brother
Speaker 2: was upstairs holding his lightsaber across his chest at in
Speaker 2: his room like so scared.
Speaker 1: And then so.
Speaker 2: This is another So then the you know, his sister
Speaker 2: arrives in the doorway, and I'm sure like the Daily Stars, like,
Speaker 2: I bet the kid was so relieved to see his sister. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like he's hearing all this commotion, he sees his big sister,
Speaker 2: He's like, oh yay, and then she fucking killed him.
Speaker 2: She stabbed him five times, including one deep slash across
Speaker 2: his neck. Jesus Christ, psycho, this is dark. Later in testimony,
Speaker 2: she testified that Jacob pleaded for his life and emitted
Speaker 2: a gurgling sound as she stabbed him, and the New
Speaker 2: Zealan Harold said. She also said that it was too
Speaker 2: cruel to leave him without their parents, so.
Speaker 1: She was trying to do him a favor and just
Speaker 1: get him out of the world. Okay, yeah, she was
Speaker 1: going to go live with her werewolf boyfriend off in
Speaker 1: the a cave or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, when the cops came. They found the parents
Speaker 2: in the basement, and then the brother was in his
Speaker 2: upstairs bedroom and they found blood spattered all over Jacob's room,
Speaker 2: like all over his toys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The detectives at first thought maybe Jasmine was kidnapped by
Speaker 2: some crazed killer, and so they were really scared. But
Speaker 2: in reality, Jasmine and Jeremy went on the run because
Speaker 2: they plotted these killings so they could run away together.
Speaker 2: They were arrested one hundred miles away. So don't worry now,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rewind a little bit. So Jasmine and Jeremy
Speaker 2: they met at a punk rock concert and she started
Speaker 2: to love the goth lifestyle. And that was Calgary in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, and they kept touch on MySpace
Speaker 2: and VampireFreaks dot com.
Speaker 1: Wow, sh it's like that feels like an SVU website.
Speaker 1: That feels like a fake website. As for you, made off, it's.
Speaker 2: Just horrible to laugh during this fucked of a crime,
Speaker 2: but dot com it does. It's hard not to giggle
Speaker 2: a little bit. But she's also twelve, so it's pretty
Speaker 2: dark and awful. She was a clean cut girl and
Speaker 2: then she started changing, but that also happens like you
Speaker 2: get influenced, you know, like everyone thinks they're a witch
Speaker 2: at some point in their lives. So obviously when her
Speaker 2: parents found out about this relationship, they were not into it,
Speaker 2: and they were like, you cannot see this vampire freak.
Speaker 2: They took her computer away, and even though he is
Speaker 2: a werewolf with a vial of blood around his neck,
Speaker 2: it was her idea to kill the.
Speaker 1: Family is the consensus.
Speaker 2: They found messages online between these people and she wrote,
Speaker 2: I have this plan. It begins with me killing them
Speaker 2: and ends with me living with you. And that's according
Speaker 2: to the NZ Herald and according to this Daily Star,
Speaker 2: which reminds me of the text in the city, the
Speaker 2: New York Star like nothing with a star is real journalism.
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand, Like where are the articles? And
Speaker 2: then I was like, but you can get Canadian news
Speaker 2: like we did the Barbie and Ken killers. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: talked about people from Winnipeg. We did that case with
Speaker 2: the blood straw that hot the like serendipity.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, and why is like why is
Speaker 1: New Zealand so pumped on it? Like that's across the world,
Speaker 1: Like why are they why do they have so much information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. I wonder if if Canada just keeps like
Speaker 1: shit with underage people, like really under wraps or something,
Speaker 1: because the Barbie killers weren't underage, just the victim.
Speaker 2: Well, I will get there are details about it, but
Speaker 2: it still does not It doesn't do it for me
Speaker 2: because even if yeah, so we'll get to it. But whatever.
Speaker 2: So he had creepy messages too, though it's not like her.
Speaker 2: He wrote to her, can we get together and kill
Speaker 2: people together? That's according to the Daily Start, And then
Speaker 2: he publicly posted, my lover's rents are totally unfair, and
Speaker 2: they say that they really cared. They don't know what
Speaker 2: is going on. They just assume their throats. I want
Speaker 2: to slit. Finally there shall be silence, their bloodshall be payment.
Speaker 1: Geez dark.
Speaker 2: So she was pretty loose with this plan, and I
Speaker 2: guess she discussed it with a ton of friends, but
Speaker 2: nobody believed it was true. You know. Yeah, they just
Speaker 2: were like, Okay, yeah, you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Kill like sure you in the wear woarrolf, We're gonna
Speaker 1: go kill people Twilight, We get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so April twenty third, two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: like I said, stanky, stanky the guy he got what how.
Speaker 1: Do you say? It's just funny what you said? Stanky?
Speaker 1: Like that's funny. Do the stanky legs.
Speaker 2: So he got jazzed up by watching Natural Born Killers,
Speaker 2: which was his favorite romance movie.
Speaker 1: Which I've never seen. I haven't either.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could do a dual do watch each other's
Speaker 2: little blind spots and watch that one. So he downed
Speaker 2: a bottle of red wine along with some beer, and
Speaker 2: then he went to visit Jasmine's parents. So anyway, so
Speaker 2: while they're on the run, like truly, just two hours
Speaker 2: after the deaths, they were seen laughing and kissing at
Speaker 2: a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: When they were asked why they did this, Richardson said,
Speaker 2: I loved him so much. I thought it would bring
Speaker 2: us closer together. And that's a quote from the New
Speaker 2: Zealand Herald.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of like after Gypsy Rose and her
Speaker 1: boyfriend killed the mom. They were like seen like canoodling
Speaker 1: and like you know, kissing and having a good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So June two thousand and seven, she went on trial
Speaker 2: at age fourteen for three counts of first degree murder
Speaker 2: and was found guilty on all three and sentenced to
Speaker 2: ten years in jail. Yes, ten Wow, that's the maximum
Speaker 2: allowed by Canada's Youth Criminal Justice Act.
Speaker 1: And she's just in jail, like that would be jail jail,
Speaker 1: not like juvenile jail.
Speaker 2: So she also served four years in a psychiatric hospital
Speaker 2: and then four years under conditional communities supervision, and also
Speaker 2: was able to attend Mount Royal University in Calgary, Alberta.
Speaker 1: So I'm not really sure. I mean, she was out
Speaker 1: in twenty.
Speaker 2: Sixteen, so these, like these four and four years are
Speaker 2: like included within the ten. Yeah, so I'm not really sure,
Speaker 2: but ten does not seem like enough. I don't know, sorry,
Speaker 2: I just mmmmm mmmm. So she's out, she's in the streets.
Speaker 2: She had a final court hearing May twenty sixteen, during
Speaker 2: which she offered no apology or expression of remorse for
Speaker 2: what she had done.
Speaker 1: She is living in a secret location.
Speaker 2: Her name cannot be published in her home country, where
Speaker 2: she is known as JR. And she has been described
Speaker 2: as a poster child for rehabilitation. I don't buy that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so this is so, this is it. Her
Speaker 2: name cannot be published in her home country, but like
Speaker 2: that's post changing her name and but like when it
Speaker 2: first happened, was there not news outlets that were reporting?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Have those been wiped? Like you can't just wipe crimes away?
Speaker 2: Like I am really confused by that. Like her parents' names,
Speaker 2: like her parents' names.
Speaker 1: It's not like the murder of so and so and
Speaker 1: so and so even if you don't name the killers,
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, I guess I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't try to look that up Mark richardson Canada.
Speaker 1: Let's see if I mean, that's a really common name.
Speaker 1: I'm sure to.
Speaker 2: Find a grave great, find a grave dot com and LinkedIn. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is fucked up. Yeah, it's just like so I okay,
Speaker 2: then some images do show up, but it's all the
Speaker 2: New Zealand Harold and then not real sources. It's like,
Speaker 2: I mean medium, I'll read verse some stuff, Yen News,
Speaker 2: Sudbury Star like Mama, Mama maya.
Speaker 1: Like nothing was real. Yeah, nothing is like good like
Speaker 1: solid credible journal.
Speaker 2: No, not that we would use and so like it
Speaker 2: is really confusing to me. Wow, yeah, I guess Wait
Speaker 2: there's one that I just saw.
Speaker 1: This Sudbury's Star might be real. No, it looks pretty
Speaker 1: shady too, damn. So many stars. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess she cannot be named because of
Speaker 2: the Youth Criminal.
Speaker 1: Justice Act and that's that. Wow.
Speaker 2: So that's why there's really no information about her. Damn, damn, damn, damn.
Speaker 2: I wish I found it sooner. I didn't think to
Speaker 2: google the parents' names. Well, I wasn't even like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to tell you like how to do it.
Speaker 2: I just was kind of like, it's weird that the
Speaker 2: coverage wouldn't even be like, Hi, two people from your
Speaker 2: community died.
Speaker 1: So I get that you can't print the kids' names,
Speaker 1: but like, is there coverage of what happened to these people?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really strange.
Speaker 2: Or you know, like you're not supposed to fight in
Speaker 2: mixed company, you know about that? Or like Chris Rock
Speaker 2: has this joke with Will Smith where it's like, don't
Speaker 2: fight in front of white people, like that kind of
Speaker 2: a thing. I wonder if that's with Canada, where it's like,
Speaker 2: we can't let America read about our crime, Like no
Speaker 2: mixed company is Southeast Alberta like rural. I'm just looking interesting.
Speaker 2: Well because I've performed in Edmonton, which I think is Alberta.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've been to Alberta, but I think
Speaker 2: it's a providence, yeah, Canadian province.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I was right.
Speaker 2: It's known for its natural beauty, richness and fossils and
Speaker 2: for how housing important nature reserves.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it was like kind of in
Speaker 1: like an off the beaten path area. So nobody was
Speaker 1: really covering it also because journalism was dying slowly.
Speaker 2: But go on, yeah, whatever, So people think she rehabilitated
Speaker 2: or not. Who knows, she's out in the wilds. That's
Speaker 2: all I know. And then in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: steink I don't know why I can't say it's last
Speaker 2: what's its first day?
Speaker 1: I've already forgotten. It's probably Steinkerry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in two thousand and eight, Jeremy s was found
Speaker 2: guilty of three counts of first degree murder as well
Speaker 2: and was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences in prison,
Speaker 2: with the earliest parole date for twenty five years. So
Speaker 2: in twenty thirty three will be the first time that
Speaker 2: he can and go in front of the pearl board.
Speaker 2: But he was a grown man, so he got three
Speaker 2: life sentences. Wow, but that's what you get for committing
Speaker 2: crimes with a child, she's gonna get less time. I
Speaker 2: should have got him for statutory rape too, But listen,
Speaker 2: this is a horrific crime. If you know how to
Speaker 2: get more information or you understand stuff about Canada and
Speaker 2: crimes and ceiling shit, let us know. Because she also
Speaker 2: changed her name, so it's like, why can't we just
Speaker 2: publish this young person's day?
Speaker 1: I got to talk about it now, yeah, or like
Speaker 1: that there hasn't been I don't know. I'm also like,
Speaker 1: what there hasn't been like made for TV movies or
Speaker 1: like anything like that is but.
Speaker 2: It is so fucked though. Yeah, to kill your little
Speaker 2: brother who is like, yeah, waiting for you probably like
Speaker 2: it is sick and you know we also I guess
Speaker 2: part of the allure too that I thought there'd be
Speaker 2: more information is like was it her?
Speaker 1: Was it him?
Speaker 2: He is a grown man, so like she's a child,
Speaker 2: she's probably easily influenced or like is and because if
Speaker 2: you're that big of a psycho to do this, will
Speaker 2: you be rehabilitated in a decade or is this like
Speaker 2: an ed Kemper situation where she figured out how to
Speaker 2: trick them into saying what she wanted or is she like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I did that.
Speaker 1: Like, there's just so many unanswered questions. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, like, at twelve, even if
Speaker 1: you're the one that initiated the idea on a message board,
Speaker 1: a lot of twelve year olds say they want to
Speaker 1: kill their fucking parents. You know, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: this guy got to her about what sacrificing human life,
Speaker 1: what that means, why it has to happen so you
Speaker 1: can have your happiness or achieve xyz, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I would, I would say that most
Speaker 1: twelve year olds, unless you're born like a psychopath, like,
Speaker 1: are just highly vulnerable and influenced by you know, older influences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just that's just me spitball. And maybe she's a
Speaker 1: total psycho from birth. Who knows. It's just so horrible.
Speaker 1: That's horrible. Well, we don't have a guess, but we don't.
Speaker 1: We'll get to our post smartem any second now. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: uh post mortem of this week's episode is, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so funny that we randomly just talked
Speaker 1: about parenting and like saying stuff, so your kids will
Speaker 1: listen and then this I didn't even put that together
Speaker 1: that this episode, like the crux of it is that
Speaker 1: this mom like won't really listen to her daughter, and
Speaker 1: like they just have this contentious relationship, and that's like
Speaker 1: why the mother ends up rutally murdered. Like, I just
Speaker 1: really hope that doesn't happen to me. I guess is
Speaker 1: my post mortem takeaway. I'll just let Rosie date anyone,
Speaker 1: because I don't want her to kill me.
Speaker 2: No, It's like this, it's honestly such a balancing act.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the right answer is because you know,
Speaker 2: classic it's if if you fight too hard, the kid's
Speaker 2: gonna want it. Right, But you can't just let your
Speaker 2: kid date a twenty plus year old, you know, you
Speaker 2: just you can't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2: That's but then I also understand the hesitation of like
Speaker 2: I don't want this person going.
Speaker 1: To jail, this twenty year old.
Speaker 2: It's like, are they really committing crime or do you
Speaker 2: really think they're a criminal or what you know?
Speaker 1: Right right right? Like so I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right thing to do. Like
Speaker 1: Kathy Moriarity also ended up dead when her character tried
Speaker 1: to report him for statutory rape. You know, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you do or do you
Speaker 2: create a thing where or it's like you can only
Speaker 2: be hanging the house. I don't know what do you
Speaker 2: What do you do if your sixteen year old loves
Speaker 2: a twenty year old who you don't think is a pedophile,
Speaker 2: but you also don't think it's right.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I should we do a poll we
Speaker 1: would like to limit contact of where my sixteen year
Speaker 1: old would meet a twenty year old. I guess work.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of places, fuck, yeah, the mall, And
Speaker 1: you're like, I want you to get a job, but
Speaker 1: then it's like, what you can't like be with any
Speaker 1: like one of unemployee you meet who's four years apart
Speaker 1: from you. I don't know. I guess that's like, really
Speaker 1: that's really tough. The that's really tough. I was so
Speaker 1: like not, I was so not dating in high school
Speaker 1: that it's like I can't even remember what if I
Speaker 1: knew anybody who did that or like anything like like that,
Speaker 1: like how their parents handled it or whatever, Like I
Speaker 1: can't think of it. Oh no, when I was in
Speaker 1: eighth grade.
Speaker 2: I definitely knew someone that was dating a twenty two
Speaker 2: year old oh okay, oh yeah, And there was a
Speaker 2: picture of her. I remember so vividly this photo because
Speaker 2: she's wearing like an oversized sweatshirt. But she did participate
Speaker 2: in self harm sort of like her thighs rolls cut up.
Speaker 2: And then this like older twenty two girl was like
Speaker 2: like shoulder, you know, like holding her from behind. And
Speaker 2: I remember this that photo so vividly, and I remember
Speaker 2: it being like fucking weird and fucked up. Oh, but
Speaker 2: like not that fucked up that I did it like,
Speaker 2: but it was like, oh, I'm not in your group,
Speaker 2: like I can't.
Speaker 1: Well. Actually, one of my friends that you have actually
Speaker 1: met twice at one of our live shows. She when
Speaker 1: she was like twelve, looked like a seventeen year old,
Speaker 1: Like she just looked older forever. Like I met her
Speaker 1: when she was twelve years old and she had a
Speaker 1: picture of her sixteen year old boyfriend in her tent
Speaker 1: at camp and I was like, this is your boyfriend
Speaker 1: and she was like yeah, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: bet nobody thinks this is weird because you look older,
Speaker 1: but you are not older, like twelve and sixteen is
Speaker 1: not a normal distance to me, Like, I'm almost more
Speaker 1: okay with sixteen twenty like than twelve sixteen, like she
Speaker 1: had like probably had her period. She looked older, but
Speaker 1: like it was I remember being like, I'm this is
Speaker 1: too much. She grew up and became my friend, so
Speaker 1: it's I'm not like, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, even if someone looks a little older, there is
Speaker 2: no way an adult does not know that's a child, right,
Speaker 2: There's just no fucking way. Like I've performed at colleges,
Speaker 2: they look like children. I'm sorry, Like it is a lie.
Speaker 2: If someone says like, oh, I didn't know they looked
Speaker 2: like I just don't believe it. The people that are like,
Speaker 2: oh I didn't know are liars. But maybe that's not
Speaker 2: true because most people importn are like eighteen nineteen, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. Yeah, and they look they look pretty fucking mature. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The looks is one thing. I just can't believe that
Speaker 1: you're a person that's like in your twenties and you're
Speaker 1: going on a date with an eighth grader and you
Speaker 1: think there's anything like you're not telling then like when
Speaker 1: you're talking, like you know what I mean, just like,
Speaker 1: well they're they're kind of lating about yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're pedophiles. Yeah, they that's what they relate on anyway.
Speaker 1: I also feel like this episode, specifically, this episode of
Speaker 1: SVU has a lot of like letting rich kids run
Speaker 1: around the city and do pill parties and shit like that,
Speaker 1: which is like never which is always my nightmare about
Speaker 1: like raising kids in the city a little bit. Not
Speaker 1: that the suburbs are way more fucked up, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's more space, Like in the city, you
Speaker 2: are on top of each other. It is apartments or
Speaker 2: like even if it's not, it's just like more cant
Speaker 2: like tight. I feel the suburbs, you know, it's these
Speaker 2: giant basements, It's these huge McMansions.
Speaker 1: It's lots of parents going out of bound for long
Speaker 1: trips and being like you're fine at the house. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reason like meth and opioids and all
Speaker 2: these things are huge in rural areas, there's nothing to do.
Speaker 2: I get that you can be a bad girl in
Speaker 2: a city because you're growing up faster and you see
Speaker 2: lots of things and maybe you're seeing like someone jerk
Speaker 2: off on the street. But I do believe the rural
Speaker 2: suburban ride your bike somewhere and now's around like there's
Speaker 2: more dev things afoot.
Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers. Yeah, places where there are woods,
Speaker 1: places where there are woods, where there are quarries.
Speaker 2: Well, we do know the numbers for meth. And guess
Speaker 2: what it's in Kansas and Appalachia. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell you. Like if you are in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere and it's between tipping a cow and
Speaker 2: getting high, maybe you're gonna get high. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is crazy. I saw I sound like a reverse conservative boomer,
Speaker 2: but that's my thing.
Speaker 1: They're they're so worried.
Speaker 2: About these cities in California being unsafe, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you hate us, so why do you care?
Speaker 1: What do you care? But also ha ha, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just like like look at your backyard, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like truly, truly, but I really hope that the girl
Speaker 1: in this episode and her little brother Tommy cannot you
Speaker 1: can be.
Speaker 2: Good or bad life together. You could be good or
Speaker 2: bad anywhere. I mean little Tommy, I mean little Tommy.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know. Like what I said throughout this morn,
Speaker 2: I've had anything to do with the episode. Well no,
Speaker 2: I will also say, like I'm disassociating. I'm basically just
Speaker 2: like all you hillbillies are doing meth and city kids
Speaker 2: are going to art museums like this.
Speaker 1: Is what no one thinks that you are thinking. Are
Speaker 1: saying that? But well, okay, So I will also say,
Speaker 1: just because this episode involves we also talked about the
Speaker 1: true crime this girl and her boyfriend, like murdering an
Speaker 1: entire family. Let's take a page out of Gypsy Rose's
Speaker 1: recent press tour where she said I went about this
Speaker 1: the wrong way, like she felt trapped, and she even
Speaker 1: said to Joy on the View, she was like, I
Speaker 1: did it the wrong way, and then Joy goes, don't
Speaker 1: say that. She goes, well, no, I mean I went
Speaker 1: to jail. I committed a crime. And then Joy was like,
Speaker 1: oh right that part. So I mean no, Gypsy went
Speaker 1: murder is wrong? Joy, Yeah, so let don't don't. Let's
Speaker 1: the post mortem is, don't murder your parents. Figure out
Speaker 1: another way. And I hope there are people have resources
Speaker 1: where murder isn't the only answer in Gypsy's case, it
Speaker 1: felt like it kind of yeah, almost was.
Speaker 2: I know, I've been so focused on the age gap
Speaker 2: love and that I forgot that there.
Speaker 1: Were brutal murders throughout this thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, gothic murders, vampire murder.
Speaker 1: Well, the first in the episode, the guy's murdering for
Speaker 1: drugs right in the set in the real life one,
Speaker 1: the dark art. Yeah, yeah, they were trying. They were
Speaker 1: trying to do natural born killers the right. They were
Speaker 1: trying to like be yeah, criminals. Anyway, let's get into
Speaker 1: our what would Sister Peg do for this week? That's
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization,
Speaker 1: a blog, a book, of another podcast episode, something to
Speaker 1: give you more info about what we talked about today.
Speaker 1: And this one was a little bit tough because the
Speaker 1: crimes are all over the map, and I just felt
Speaker 1: bad for little Tommy having to witness, you know, so
Speaker 1: much violence that I wanted to this week point you
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Speaker 1: prevent an end violence against women and children around the world.
Speaker 1: They have groundbreaking programs, policy development, and public action campaigns
Speaker 1: that seek to heal those that are traumatized by violence
Speaker 1: today and to create healthy families and communities free of
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Speaker 2: That's like such a good organization and tie in gotta
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