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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,

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Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario.

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Speaker 2: I love a.

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Speaker 1: Conversation where my guests and I can celebrate the work

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Speaker 1: that you love, which we do quite a bit in

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Speaker 1: this episode, so buckle up.

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Speaker 2: But then we go deep.

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Speaker 1: It's a conversation that's raw and honest and so very

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Speaker 1: vulnerable because that's how we collectively feel seen. I always

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Speaker 1: say that I swear by it, and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just like we're in this crazy life together, which

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Speaker 1: I think has tremendous value. So my guest today is

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Speaker 1: the brilliant Melissa O'Neil, who you know and you love

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Speaker 1: from the smash hit series The Rookie. Now The Rookie

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Speaker 1: just wrapped it's seventh season, and this is one of

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Speaker 1: the very first and only interviews Melissa has done after

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Speaker 1: that series finale, which I'm just so grateful for her time.

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Speaker 1: Today she is answering all of our burning questions. So

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Speaker 1: in her honor, pour yourself a cozy cup of tea

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Speaker 1: because she did the interview from her very z NTE room,

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Speaker 1: which I have tremendous fomo over.

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Speaker 2: And now I think I need.

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Speaker 1: To redesign my home and get one immediately, get comfortable,

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Speaker 1: and enjoy getting to know with some very different sides

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Speaker 1: to a magical human being. Okay, with all of that

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Speaker 1: being said, let's see if we can get Melissa to

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Speaker 1: say something.

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Speaker 2: That she has never said before. Melissa O'Neil, how are you,

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Speaker 2: my friend?

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Speaker 3: I'm so well, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here today. You have

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Speaker 1: been a highly requested guest on my show. I have

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Speaker 1: to tell you really, Yes, you have. Over the years

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Speaker 1: of seen your name pop up quite a bit and

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Speaker 1: timing lended itself to this moment, and I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: to be hanging out with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are we too?

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Speaker 3: I wish we had done it in person with the upfronts,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, happy we could make it work.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know that just means you'll come back,

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Speaker 1: We'll have you in studio, We'll have fun.

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Speaker 3: I would love that.

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Speaker 2: Good good.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we have a lot to cover today,

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Speaker 1: and I guess to begin, h I have a burning

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Speaker 1: question for you. Okay, how do you and your co

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Speaker 1: star Eric Winter nail that lingering stare like almost slow

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Speaker 1: Because it's pretty epic.

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Speaker 3: Really, I feel like every every enduring, you know, romantic

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Speaker 3: couple on a serialized procedural like does that.

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Speaker 4: I don't is it is it? Is it out of

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've never broken character when we've had

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Speaker 3: to do anything like that. I don't know if this

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Speaker 3: we we are paid the medium big bucks to build

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Speaker 3: I do think there's like a shorthand with Eric and I.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how that came about,

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Speaker 3: but it's been there since day one. We were we

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Speaker 3: just another form of intimacy that allows us to also

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. No, it's such a you

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Speaker 1: like feel it through the screen. It's such a I

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Speaker 1: and I just I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Love it more.

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Speaker 1: It's so great that finale which just aired.

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Speaker 1: Been a season of Will They or won't they get together?

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Speaker 1: And we were kind of left off on a cliffhanger, right,

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Speaker 1: we don't quite know where it's gonna go. What did

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Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty funny. You have you seen it? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: I really I hadn't thought of it that way, And

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Speaker 3: We get like they see these things in the relationship

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: There is a comfort in just being able to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sense of home. I've talked about those two

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Speaker 3: There's a sense of home, and that's I think that's

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Speaker 1: which of course begs the question. In season eight, like,

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Speaker 3: I honestly, if it was up to me and if

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Speaker 3: But I do think that there is a sense of

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a whole bunch of there's a whole

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Speaker 3: But I read an interview from our showrunner the other

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Speaker 3: and so congrats to Chinford Nation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a win. It is a win.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge win.

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Speaker 1: I think people are going to be I don't know,

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Speaker 1: having a parade down the streets after hearing that. That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: That was a total left field for me when that happened.

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Speaker 3: That when the revelation that she had actually forgiven him happened,

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Speaker 3: we rewind back three weeks, then maybe that's that was

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that that the forgiveness will be a little

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Speaker 3: the new season hopefully, But you know, we don't want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, they want to keep the story moving

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there were a few moments, but in

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Speaker 4: Back into old habits.

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Speaker 3: It could absolutely be that. But sometimes the stuff that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dating is not easy, right, We've all been there.

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Speaker 2: We've all been there.

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Speaker 1: I don't quite know how you do it though, in

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Speaker 1: terms of a long relationship on a show for seven seasons,

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Speaker 1: keeping it fresh, keeping it interesting, keeping it exciting, keeping

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Speaker 1: it real and honest, which I think is also a

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Speaker 1: testament to the work that you do. So is it

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Speaker 1: really fun as an artist to explore something so long term,

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Speaker 3: I think it is fun and it can be challenging

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Speaker 3: part of my time here. It's good to remember like, yes,

438
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm doing this thing, and also I'm just

439
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: one small part, and I think that keeps right relationship

440
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: in check, you.

441
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, for sure, for sure.

442
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: So as the human Melissa, what parts of Ucy for

443
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: you come very natural and what are more challenging for you?

444
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 4: M Lucy is.

445
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: Probably a lot more action based and decisive, And by

446
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: action based, I mean like she can take a decision

447
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: and determine herself towards it. You know, the amount of

448
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: times that we've seen her or or heard about her

449
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: studying very hard for a test, I'm like, oh, that

450
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: could not be me.

451
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: I'm an actor.

452
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, but that's that's not something the academic world

453
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: is a place that I'm drawn to recreationally, but I

454
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: don't think I would ever have been able to pursue

455
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: it in a proper way. That is a lot of dedication.

456
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 3: But I do think that this spirit of being action

457
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: based towards like she has an altruistic heart. She's quick

458
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 3: to help people, and that feels very accessible to me,

459
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: you know, in to play those moments in a space

460
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: of like absolute truth feels very accessible because I'm like, duh,

461
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: of course, you know, like, of course we're going to

462
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: do that. Of course we're going to run over there.

463
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: Of course we're going to like immediately turn the car

464
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: around and come get you. That stuff feels very easy

465
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: to touch.

466
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: And I also think.

467
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: I think all of the romantic stuff in all of

468
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 3: the iterations it's gone through is listen, I'm a double cancer, Okay,

469
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm very loving, and there's like a

470
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: very maternal, watery energy that like runs through my system

471
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: whether or not I'm aware of it or if I

472
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: want it to happen. And I do think that that

473
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: has that's bled in back and forth between like Lucy

474
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 3: and I with the way that she is with her coworkers,

475
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 3: her roommates, her lovers. Like, it's just kind of it

476
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: exists in that space, and it doesn't hurt that all

477
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: of the people that I've had the pleasure of being

478
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: paired up with for scene work, they're all just really lovely.

479
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: So like that kind of also really makes it makes

480
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: work very easy.

481
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you I mean, it's not easy. You

482
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: make it look easy, That's the truth of it all.

483
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: We've seen so many great moments from you this season.

484
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: When you think back on season seven, was there a

485
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: favorite moment for you, a favorite scene?

486
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: Oh, I do feel like, you know, Lucy, let me

487
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: see here.

488
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: Be careful, I'm intrigued, you know.

489
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: I know, I know I have to be careful about

490
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: how I talk sometimes because God bless them, our fans

491
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: pay very very close attention and sometimes a sound bite

492
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: can be pulled out and made into something, and I

493
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: want to be mindful of that as we are three

494
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: quarters of the way in. Yeah, I wan to reflect

495
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: on this season. Let's see, Alexi was directing us. My

496
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: character in particular, was like in a totally different place

497
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: energetically than where she was at the end of the

498
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 3: previous season, and I was like, hold on, hold on,

499
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: what's happening? You know? So there was also like that

500
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: collaborative thing that we were talking about earlier that was

501
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: happening in spades, and it was happening with some of

502
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: the other actors as well, and we were just trying

503
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: to figure out what was going on, and all of

504
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 3: the stuff I love about this job were happening in

505
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: and around those first few episodes when we were establishing

506
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: the tone for this new season after a massive time

507
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: jump and a contextual jump. It was a lot of

508
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: different things going on. And yet even though I think

509
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't understand what's going on, there

510
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: was a real sweetness to revisiting an old relational dynamic

511
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: for Lucy with Bradford, Lucy with everybody else in the

512
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 3: station that I found so charming. So there's like a

513
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: part of my brand that was like, I don't understand

514
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: what's going on right now, and then the other aspect

515
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: was thinking, this is really sweet. We haven't done this

516
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: in years, you know, So in that way it was

517
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: kind of it helped me to understand what Alexi was

518
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: trying to touch, Like the sweetness that Alexi was trying

519
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: to give the audience and bring back to the audience

520
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: after a season of like sad.

521
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: Break up, you know.

522
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: So that was that was interesting. I don't know if

523
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: it was my favorite scene from this season, but I

524
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: appreciated the environment behind it.

525
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

526
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool to hear. I mean, there's a

527
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: lot that happened this season. Excuse me, I should say, sergeant,

528
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: do I need to call you?

529
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: Sergeant?

530
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: You may?

531
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: You may? You just walk around saying please call me that.

532
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: What was your reaction to that happening? Did you see

533
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: that coming?

534
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: I we we knew we were working in that direction,

535
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: So yes, I did. I did see that coming. I

536
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: did feel for a little bit, like a loss of

537
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: these other dreams that she had and was working very

538
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 3: strongly towards as far as her UC career and becoming

539
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: a detective, and that big letdown, especially because we had

540
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: spent so much time establishing even to the point that

541
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: she was saying to her superiors like I don't want

542
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: to do this, I want to do this, Like this

543
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: is what I really want to do, you know. So

544
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: it was in character something that she was very passionate

545
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: about to the point of sacrificing this people pleaser that

546
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: she is you know, and at the same time I

547
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: understand in the in the context of the world of

548
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: the rookie, you know, there's only so much you can

549
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: do with one type of storyline, wanting to branch out

550
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: and do something different. So I am sad to see

551
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: the undercover thing slip away, and who knows, things can

552
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: always come back. It's not like her undercover capacities died,

553
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: but it'll be interesting to see. I think one of

554
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: the things I'm looking forward to if they decide to

555
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: explore that, is what happens when a person who is

556
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: relatively young in the field is promoted to a place

557
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: of seniority and power and likely over other people who

558
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: are older and maybe who have been on the force longer.

559
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: You know. I'm interested to see, like how the power

560
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: dynamics play out, and if we're even going to touch that.

561
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting space to investigate. Also having

562
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: two people, I mean, he's still outranking her, but to

563
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: have Bradford and essentially both be sergeants, maybe them having

564
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: different opinions about how to do things. We kind of

565
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: saw that with how they were being training officers, but

566
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: I think there's something interesting there to explore, just how

567
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: we navigate power structure. But I have no idea what's

568
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: going to happen. Yeah, that stoked for her.

569
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Though they keep you guys in the dark. They're like,

570
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: we are not risking anything leaking.

571
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and I think they're also figuring it out too,

572
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: and as the season unfolds, that helps to inform what

573
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: else they're going to write. But yeah, we are fully

574
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm fully in the dark. I have no idea what's coming.

575
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Do you ever whisper in the writer's ears? And I

577
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: know they're amazing capable and talented and you know, are

578
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: brilliant and do their thing, but are you ever like, Hey, I'm.

579
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Thinking this idea for season eight?

580
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: You know what's funny. I was chatting with my team

581
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: the other day because, excuse me, in the time that

582
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: I've been doing television, I see actors do that all

583
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: all the time, and it always has rubbed me the

584
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: wrong way because I used to be friends with a

585
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: showrunner who would lament about that. He was like, oh, God,

586
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: and so and so came into my office and was

587
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: trying to so. Yeah. I had this like underlying fear

588
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: of I don't want someone to speak about me in

589
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: this way, so I certainly don't want to be that person.

590
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: And then at the same time, the squeaking wheel gets

591
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: the greens.

592
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: Baby.

593
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: I've seen it a million times and I haven't figured

594
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: out yet how to overcome this fear of being seen

595
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: as someone troublesome in an undesirable way. You know, there's difficult, yeah, yeah,

596
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: there's good trouble, and then there's like the person who's

597
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: like coming in and trying to stick their grubby actor

598
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: fingers into your art. Like that's not what they're paid for,

599
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: it's not what I'm paid for, and so I try

600
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: I've tried not to do that, and I did once

601
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: early in the show. Early in the show, like in

602
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: the earlier seasons, I sent Alexi and email once where

603
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not going to say it because

604
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: I know that people will latch onto.

605
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: It, but I was like, hey, I just want to

606
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: say I've never seen anything like this, and I thought

607
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: that maybe this would be a cool thing to integrate

608
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: for Lucy's character.

609
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: And it's possible that he just didn't see the email,

610
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: but I never heard from him, and I kind of

611
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: just like let it slide because it really touched on

612
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: that fear that I had from my previous experience where

613
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: we're like, ooh, oh, my goodness, I totally overstepped my boundaries.

614
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: So yes, I think there is a threading of the needle.

615
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: There is a narrow path to walk, and I see

616
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: it all the time. There are creatives, there are actors

617
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: who aren't even EPs, who just are emboldened and don't

618
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: care how they're being perceived, And there is something to

619
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: be said for that orientation as well. But at the

620
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: end of the day, you have to do what's right

621
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: for you and how you orient your craft and how

622
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: you orient to the world and yourself as a person.

623
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: And I haven't quite figured that out for myself to

624
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: be in a place of comfort, because I think there

625
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: are some environments where it's welcome and other environments where

626
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: it's not that it's not welcome. There's just a clear boundary,

627
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: you know. And that's not like a negative thing. It's

628
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: just like, this is where I stand, and this is

629
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: where you stand, and let's.

630
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: Work like this.

631
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: One day, when the rookie comes to an end thirty

632
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: five years from now, what would you want Lucy's endgame

633
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: to be? Like anything can happen. Of course, we're just

634
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: having fun here, but like, what do you see as

635
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: her final endgame?

636
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: I was reflecting this morning that something that I don't

637
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: know why. I kind of focus on what have we

638
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: not seen? What are we not seeing? I think about that.

639
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's like a hook that I

640
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: have in my brain for some and I was thinking

641
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: this morning, I was like, where are we going with her?

642
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: And I know that a lot of people are like

643
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: family house kids, and maybe it's because it's an aspect

644
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: of my own reality, and so I seek to be

645
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: reflected in the media that I consume. You know, So

646
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: it's perhaps this, But if you ever like are you

647
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: do you do you listen to Tracy alis Ross or

648
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: like have you seen her?

649
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: Like sound way?

650
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: Right? Okay, So there's something really interesting to me about

651
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: like the free Auntie, you know, who is just crushing

652
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: life and maybe things didn't work out the way that

653
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: she hoped, or it's not even about the way that

654
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: she hoped. It's like things are great and this is

655
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 3: how life would folded, and there's nothing wrong with that.

656
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: Either.

657
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: We haven't really seen that. I know that's not going

658
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: to be the most popular thing, but I wondered if

659
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: that would be an interesting story to have reflected in

660
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: our universe because everyone is in this beautiful heteroonormative nuclear

661
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: family situation, and so I mean, of course I would

662
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: love for Lucy to have the happy ending, but what

663
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: that looks like can mean a lot of different things. Yeah,

664
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: I I don't I don't want I'm not I don't

665
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: know if I'm interested in seeing Lucy going out with

666
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: with some wild murder or anything like that. I think

667
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 3: we want to see her grow old, not just for

668
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: my job security, but like I just get the sense

669
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: that that's a character that we could evolve in a

670
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: really beautiful way. I'm not sure, and I think, my

671
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: this this could be just muscle muscle memory of like

672
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: trying to not have too strong about opinion about my character.

673
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: I'm realizing, you know, like this could just be a

674
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: well worn eight year synapse firing of Like I'm open

675
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: to whatever they would like to do.

676
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think you are for sure.

677
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you made it clear you're very respectful of

678
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: the journey the writers want to take her on. But

679
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I think I think that's cool that you do have

680
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: some ideas for maybe when that final day comes and

681
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: to put out there. The possibility of her not having

682
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: perhaps a traditional American happy ending, right that we all

683
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: think of, is interesting. I think it's very interesting and relatable.

684
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: And I like that you, as a human can personally

685
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: relate to that in some way. You know, Yeah, that's

686
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: really really interesting and cool and food for thought. And hey,

687
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: we'll see when that time comes thirty five years from now.

688
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: What you're like thirty five years, I don't know. I'm

689
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: just like, hey, everybody, right.

690
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're going to play this back and

691
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: watching thirty five years that's going to happen. I love it,

692
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: and I love the joy you bring to so many

693
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: through this character and through the show. And I think

694
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: it's so cool that you just seem very balanced in

695
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: your artistry and in your life. And I know being

696
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: a human is equally as important to you as being

697
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: an artist, right, And you've lived a very colorful and

698
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: interesting life, right, starting kind of in music and winning

699
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: Canadian Idol and then now being here where you are,

700
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: do you ever get the itch to do more with

701
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: music or a musical or musical theater or Broadway?

702
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I missed Broadway. I met. I love

703
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: music and I've been We've been going to some conventions

704
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: recently and people are breaking out my CD from like

705
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: twenty years ago.

706
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Dude, love a good CD.

707
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: It blows my mind. There was there were a couple

708
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: of people in Paris that like had they had private

709
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: one on one meet and greet time, and they were like,

710
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: I just want to sing your song with you. But

711
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: I was like, oh girl, I don't know lyrics. So

712
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: that was but it really like shocked me to understand

713
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: that people are still listening or that even something that

714
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: people sti't want, so I'm certainly open to it. It's

715
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: always felt to me that music, if you're making it

716
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: for consumption, is kind of like a young person's game.

717
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: But it hadn't occurred to me just to make it

718
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: for the pleasure of it. Because I love singing. I

719
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: do it all the time. I just don't do it

720
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: for a paycheck, you know. But God, it brings me

721
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: so much joy. It makes me feel so alive, and

722
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I think I would just, oh God, I would just

723
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: die for another opportunity to find myself on stage. There's

724
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing like it. It marries all of my favorite

725
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: things as far as like being a storyteller and singing

726
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: and using that as a vehicle to deliver the inner

727
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: world of a character. It's just, oh god, it's so juicy.

728
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: I love it so much. It would certainly have to

729
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: be the right thing. And again that that does require

730
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: a certain amount of that like inner confidence that we

731
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: were talking about at the very beginning, because the theater world,

732
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: you know, you've gotta you have to get in there,

733
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: and there's so much talent, there's so much rich talent

734
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: out there, and it has its own ecosystem of how

735
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: it operates. So I do think it would require a

736
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: little bit of unwrapping of and also training because I

737
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: having done it, it's not something to take lightly. It's

738
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: not something that you can just be like, oh, yeah,

739
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: I know, you don't sing like that. You don't sing

740
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: like an athlete.

741
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: No, you don't.

742
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: So get back in the gym and like do your drills.

743
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: So it would it would take some unwrapping for sure.

744
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: But I would absolutely just be pulled over to have

745
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: another opportunity to be in that space. And I don't

746
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: even I think sometimes there's like that strange it's a

747
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: fun dance that my team and I do because you know,

748
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: after you're doing something for a certain period of time,

749
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: there can be this feeling. I can the feeling like, well, no,

750
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: that's not worth your time, worth my time? What do

751
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: you mean? Sometimes you just have to do it for

752
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: the love of it, And I believe that. I like

753
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: I understand quotes from everything, but I'm not somebody, you know,

754
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: I don't have any dependents, and so like I have

755
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: liberty to do that, and I want to certainly, so

756
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: I hope to do that. I don't have any plans

757
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: at this exact moment. I'm still very much in a

758
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: space of just like being a voyeur and enjoying it

759
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: for far. But yes, I miss it so and I

760
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: would love to do that. Oh I got ADD'd off.

761
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: I need to have more confidence because I feel like

762
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't have the chops to be in that space,

763
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: even though I spent like eight years doing that. You know,

764
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: I think having come from a world of a singing competition,

765
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: there's a lot of at such a young age, it's

766
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: not like terribly legitimate. It doesn't come with a pedigree,

767
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: and so this idea like I'm aware of. I'm aware

768
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: of that way of thinking about it, and it is

769
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: pervasive in my mind.

770
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: Instead of reflecting.

771
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: On the celebratory side, which is like, that's so cool

772
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: that I did that at seventeen. Like the other aspect,

773
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: the person who's been in the industry for so long

774
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: and seeing all the people who have such a developed

775
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: craft and a network that they've developed from having gone

776
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: through you know, post secondary school and then building from

777
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: their small projects and like really earning where they got to. Like,

778
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for that type of grind,

779
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: And when I reflect on my career, there's a lot

780
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: of just like, hey, I'm here.

781
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: Hey I got fired, what's up?

782
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: Like it's a blessing for me. But I also can

783
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: sometimes when I really get down to brass tacks, it's

784
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: a little bit hard for me to take myself seriously

785
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: because of that.

786
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting.

787
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like sometimes we glaze over or don't

788
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: honor all the parts of our journey that got us

789
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: to where we are today. I'm guilty of it too, Right,

790
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: I was telling you earlier off camera that I like,

791
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: I didn't just wake up and become a host, Like

792
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: I've had a million careers in different things, and and

793
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: my husband will always say, like, you know, you always

794
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: kind of don't talk about that, and it's a huge

795
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: part of your story because you want to be where

796
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: you are without that. So I think it's very human

797
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: to do that. And that's very interesting to hear you

798
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: talk about how you feel in relation to the confidence

799
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: of going out there and maybe one day leading a

800
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: musical or whatever the case may be. But something tells me,

801
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: if you want to do it, one day, you're going

802
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: to do it and and we'll see, we'll see if

803
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: that day comes. Is there a musical just out of

804
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: curiosity that you love or always have loved where you're like,

805
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, playing that role would be a dream.

806
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: I mean obviously I would just die to like not

807
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: be too old to like work in Hamilton. I just

808
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: I'm like with every year that passes them, like, oh

809
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm getting one year away.

810
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: It's so prop but I.

811
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: Yes, what an incredible piece of art. Yeah, I'm so like,

812
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm such a fan girl over fill up with suit

813
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: like she's just I saw her and do you remember

814
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: what was the what was the comment was the eighteen

815
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: twelve comm Did you see that one show that she

816
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: was in? It was like in the tent in the

817
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: parking lot across from the nails.

818
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: But I know what you're talking about.

819
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just I've seen I've seen her

820
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: on a lot too, because we were shooting on the

821
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: same lot, because she's doing the other the Oh god,

822
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: I forgot. I'm so sorry, ABC. I forget the name

823
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: of it.

824
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor, doctor, Yeah, good job.

825
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: But I've seen her before and I'm just like, oh.

826
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: She's she's just a dream.

827
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so talented, she's the best. Okay, all right,

828
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: So we have maybe Broadway coming up. You mentioned earlier

829
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: maybe playing a villain one day. Would you ever do

830
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: something in the supernatural space.

831
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love the sci fi supernatural world.

832
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: I think those fans are like nobody's fans, like they

833
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: just they because so my first TV gig was this

834
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: amazing sci fi show called dark Matter. It only ran

835
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: for three seasons. It was only supposed to warn for five.

836
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: Very sad story.

837
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: People want you back on that.

838
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: By the way, I would be so well, I was,

839
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: we need to finish it. I just I don't know

840
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: what's going on, Joe. If you ever hear this SoundBite,

841
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: I just I hope we do it one day. But yeah,

842
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: that's a very sad story about how that fell apart.

843
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: But anyways, sci fi fans are like no other fans

844
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: in the world. They pay such close attention and they

845
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: get into the nuances of everything and the science and

846
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: the tech of it all. I love it, and I

847
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: love the supernatural world too. I think of did you

848
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: watch WandaVision?

849
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: I loved it.

850
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: That was incredible and she crushed it, you know, like

851
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: she was working with a movement coach. I think there's

852
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: something really fun about So. I love chigong and tai

853
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: chi and martial arts and a lot of the superheroes

854
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: that we're seeing these days, Like there's a manipulation as

855
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: an actor, you're manipulating energy and fields that you, the

856
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: human being, cannot see, but your character can. And that

857
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: just touches all the juicy good stuff with like Chigong

858
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 3: that I would so so be down to play. Yeah. Yeah,

859
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: the more that we can suspend the reality, the more

860
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: of a stretch it is to touch truth in a

861
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: way that is receivable by the viewer. And I would

862
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: absolutely love the opportunity to explore.

863
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 4: That a little bit more.

864
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's a lot coming down the

865
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: line for you. I am just saying I can see

866
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: it all happening, and that's really cool. And I love

867
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the escapism of all of it. I mean, that's why

868
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: fans and people gravitate towards art and TV and all

869
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: of these projects. It's just to be able to escape

870
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: reality and immerse ourselves in a world that's not ours

871
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: is part of the huge appeal and connect with characters

872
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: that really make a difference and make us feel seen

873
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: or happy or joyful, like you do for so many people.

874
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: But aside from being the artist that so many love,

875
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Let's say you have a day off.

876
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: What is the perfect day off for you? Like, what

877
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: do you like to do?

878
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: Oh? My god? Okay, so the perfect day off starts

879
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 3: off with me waking up probably around like four thirty five.

880
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: There's like a really juicy quiet space and stillness to

881
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: the air. You know, like if you wake up at

882
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: that hour for like a flight or something that you like,

883
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: open the windows and you can even feel it. There's

884
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: a vibration, yeah, vibrations, right, we feel the bustle of

885
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: the city. You can hear like the air blower, some

886
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: fime blow are happening over there, and like when all

887
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: of that is so still, that is like the absolute

888
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: perfect time to drink tea in the morning.

889
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: It's so sublime.

890
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: So I'll come in here. We're in my tea space

891
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: right now. I'll come in here, set the kettle, sit down.

892
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: I have a lamp that's got really dim light, and

893
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: I love drinking tea before the sun rises, and then

894
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: as the sun is rising. It's really sweet to like

895
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: start in the dark and then you end and the

896
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: room is like fully lit and like I'm ready to

897
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: start the day. Then I'm probably going to hot yoga

898
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: and just getting destroyed by one of my absolute favorite

899
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: yoga teachers. And then normally I would have said, hang

900
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: out with my dogs for the rest of the day,

901
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: but they're not here anymore. They've passed recently, so I'm

902
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: kind of like doing a thank you. I'm kind of

903
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: like in a strange empty nest zone right now, which

904
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 3: is really bizarre, of like recalibrating what do I do

905
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: with my time? But I think right now what I

906
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: would say. I'm also my friend's made of honor, so

907
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: that's taking up all my free time. But if I

908
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: had a fully free moment, I have a couple of

909
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: creative projects that I really want to gift myself. The

910
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: discipline to devote you. Yeah, I have, I have a

911
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: I have a film that I'm trying to write, and

912
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: I have I love photography and I kind of want

913
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: to put together like a little photo book. I don't know,

914
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: it's I'm just I'm like chewing on it. It's just

915
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: something small for myself. But I think it's important to

916
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: nurture your relationship with the muse, and it's something I'm

917
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: working on. I don't I don't tend to it. I'm

918
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: definitely somebody who's like I have to wait to feel

919
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: creative and like wait for it to hit me. And

920
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: my intellectual understanding of that is that that is not

921
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: a fruitful way to have that relationship. It's meant to

922
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: be tended to daily. So yes, I think I do that.

923
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: You strike me as a very grounded person, and I

924
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: feel like, on a separate episode, we could talk for

925
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: three hours about energy and what you put out because

926
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm so like that too, and I'm so I just

927
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: I live it.

928
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: I believe it.

929
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: It's eyeballs you have. Do you know what shen is? No, Shen,

930
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: It's it's like a it's like a life force. It's

931
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: a life for It's another like traditional Chinese medicine term,

932
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: but like your jing is also your life force, but

933
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: like shin is something that like shines through your eyes,

934
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: like when you're vibrant, and like through your life force

935
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 3: is like coursing through you, and it really like shines

936
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: through your eyes. You have you have very bright shin.

937
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I've never heard that before. That is

938
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: so cool and I appreciate that. I I I mean

939
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: every day I think the universe and whatever you may

940
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: believe in for being here, and just I live very

941
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: gratitude forward and present. I try to be as present

942
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: as possible. So I think all of the cycle of

943
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: energy and all of that is so fascinating. Like I said,

944
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: we could talk about that for another so I'm not

945
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: going to bore everyone, but I think one thing that

946
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: strikes me about you is you seem to live very

947
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: positive forward, and whether that's a choice or just who

948
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: you are, it seems that it's something that's very important

949
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: for your growth and your existence, and that's just kind

950
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: of how you're programmed. Is it easy for you to

951
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: live in that sort of way or do you kind

952
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: of make that conscious choice day after day.

953
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: I think when you come from a space that is

954
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: difficult and hard. When life gets good, you have at

955
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: least a baseline perspective of how blessed you are, you know,

956
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: Like it's hard. It's really hard to be upset, and

957
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: it's really hard to be upset. I get upset about

958
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: little things all the time. But there is so much

959
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: to just enjoy and be happy and pleasant about. And

960
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: it is a matter of orientation, and it is something

961
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: that can be practiced. And now I don't think about

962
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: it as much, although I forget and then I go, oh,

963
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 3: I need to remember, you know. But there were many

964
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: years where I was needing to like muscle myself to

965
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: a cushion, to orient to the understanding that nothing is permanent,

966
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: you know. And I think that holding impermanence as a

967
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: truth of cosmos helps you to not be so blotted

968
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: when things get hard, and when things do get hard

969
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: or sad or painful, to feel them fully so that

970
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: you're not storing it away for later, so that it

971
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: can run its life course, because you know it's not

972
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: going to be forever, so let me just feel it now.

973
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: That way it can continue on its way and I

974
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: can move on and back to my natural state, which

975
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: is yay, Yeah, because it is our natural state. But

976
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: I would say it's it's easier now, but it was

977
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: many years of like meditation and yoka, and I think

978
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: that isn't something I can take credit for, Like, that's

979
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: that's some karmix stuff that I'm very grateful to have

980
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: received from whoever gifted that to me. You know, I'm

981
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: just grateful to have found it again and to you know,

982
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: roll around in the teachings like a cat in catnip.

983
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

984
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's first of all, one of the best

985
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: analogies I ever heard. But I think it's it's such

986
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: a refreshing way to live, and it's a practice for

987
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and it's a reminder, a daily

988
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: reminder for a lot of people.

989
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: And I think that life.

990
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Throws so much our way that if we at least

991
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: can have that baseline of feeling exactly how you described,

992
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: it just helps us go through life in a much

993
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: more peaceful kind of way.

994
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: And I'm all about that. So I think it's really.

995
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: Cool that you share that that you live that that

996
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: you teach it in a way and you know, kind

997
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: of pass on that wisdom to so many people like

998
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: you are right now and my god, Melissa, I could

999
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: talk to you for I swear four more hours, but

1000
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap it up even though I really

1001
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: don't want to, and.

1002
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: You can talk about a whole other set of things

1003
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: I can tell.

1004
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: I know we really could go like super deep, super deep,

1005
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: super deep.

1006
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: Maybe another day for sure. But the name of the

1007
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: show is called I've.

1008
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: Never said this before, and it was born from I

1009
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: cover a lot of red carpets and press junkets, and

1010
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: as you know from going to them, it's two minutes

1011
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: with somebody, it's six minutes with somebody, and I just

1012
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of started seeing, maybe intuitively, that people were craving

1013
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: more real conversation and wanting to share something about themselves

1014
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. That's not the same sound

1015
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: bite that every outlet gets, right, And I walked away

1016
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of saying.

1017
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: I see something in their eyes. I just there's something more.

1018
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: There's we're missing real moments that I feel like people

1019
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity in your shoes to often have

1020
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: that are uninterrupted and unrushed and truly about you.

1021
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: So that's how the show was born.

1022
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering today if there's anything you can think

1023
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: of that you've never said before that you want to

1024
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: share whatever that means to you.

1025
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is so beautiful. By the way, what

1026
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: a lovely intention for your podcast. I think it's so sweet,

1027
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 3: very very generous. Yeah, so my I did not open

1028
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: the email with your zoom link until like three minutes

1029
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: before this, and I opened it and I was like, oh, homework,

1030
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: and I.

1031
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 4: Was like, oh my gosh.

1032
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, that's fine. I was like, let me

1033
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: just sit here, and I close my eyes and I

1034
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 3: could feel parts of my mind going like what do

1035
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: I want to say? And and then I was like

1036
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do that because if I think

1037
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: about how it's going to look, I'm gonna like mess

1038
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: this all up. So I just I was like, let

1039
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: me just stop, and I fully just like got quiet,

1040
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: and I'm like whatever, I never said, oh low, And

1041
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: I was really surprised and a little bit uncomfortable at

1042
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: what I heard, but I'm just going to let go

1043
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 3: for it because I don't have anything else prepared. And

1044
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: this is what I heard. What I heard was I

1045
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: love my body. And I was like, oh, that's.

1046
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true and weird and okay, and I think

1047
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: it's so strange being an actress, your a commodity, your

1048
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 5: fleshly vehicle is like this product.

1049
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: You know, As I was getting ready for the upfront,

1050
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: because I spent a whole week becoming a very pretty

1051
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: pony for it, you know, I was getting my hair done,

1052
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: getting my nails done, trying on all these different clothes,

1053
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: making my tail was braided, you know, like.

1054
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 4: Is this whole thing?

1055
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: And as somebody who spends or is more interested in

1056
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: spending time with a different aspect of my being here,

1057
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 3: it is strange to have your body be a representative

1058
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: of you. And I've been like trying to integrate it,

1059
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 3: you know, like trying to integrate this. I once heard

1060
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: someone refer to the body as like this sacred animal

1061
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: that you've been gifted in this lifetime that's like carrying you.

1062
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: To take care of it and to think about it

1063
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: in this kind of separate way. For me was really

1064
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: useful because taking care of a sacred animal, Oh girl,

1065
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 3: I will do that to the end of my days,

1066
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: you know. But for some reason, when it was like

1067
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: just me, I was like, I don't care about this

1068
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: part of me. I'm more interested in my soul or

1069
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 3: my consciousness or whatever. I wasn't grounded, you know, and

1070
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 3: dismissing this part. And I think in this industry as well,

1071
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: like there's so much concern with it that you're not

1072
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 3: immune to understanding that there are certain things that are

1073
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 3: desirable certain things that are not. And then also like

1074
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 3: my I have gone through so much fluctuation in eight

1075
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: years my body on this show. It's a journey. And

1076
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: people treat you differently when you look different ways, and

1077
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: it's fine, you know, because that's just how it is. Again,

1078
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: this goes back to like the furral brow thing, you know,

1079
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: but everyone treats you differently depending on how you look.

1080
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: And.

1081
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: That's always very interesting to feel and experience from behind

1082
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: your eyeballs to like see that happen and you're like, wait,

1083
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: I still feel like what in both directions, you know,

1084
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: like oh, they're being a little bit more dismissive or

1085
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: they're being a lot nicer to me, Like what's that about?

1086
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: So all that to say is what a wonderful prompt

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Speaker 3: and thank you because I really feel like I am

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Speaker 3: kind of going to be going away from this podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's like me of it, but like I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go away from this and just I want I want

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Speaker 3: to be someone who says that, like, I love my

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: body because it's it's been through a lot with me

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: and it's carried me and it's so strong, and it's

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Speaker 3: so funny to me how women, so many women, and

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Speaker 3: then we all have this crazy experience and to live

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Speaker 3: in Western society that has so much focus on this part,

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00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: but they don't regard it as your sacred animal. They

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00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: regard it as commodity to profit from. Is it's hard

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Speaker 3: for my sensitive Cancrian soul, you know, And so I'm

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Speaker 3: looking forward to taking that unexpected nugget of like realization

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Speaker 3: and tending to that, you know. So, yeah, thank you

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Speaker 3: for the question, and yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, thank you for opening up and sharing that,

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: because I know it's not something that's always the most

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00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: comfortable to talk about or even admit to, you know,

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Speaker 1: oneself or other people.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's something so deeply.

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Speaker 1: Relatable and powerful because so many people go through it

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00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: and pick themselves apart and notice things that maybe other

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Speaker 1: people don't even notice, but in our minds it's like

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Speaker 1: the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Thing in the world right right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just so it's it's more common than I

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Speaker 1: think people let on, and I think when they hear

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Speaker 1: it from someone like you, who is such a vibrant

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00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: and beautiful soul inside and out, it's it's really helpful

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00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: to feel less alone and to maybe start getting to

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Speaker 1: the place where seemingly you are where you say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I do.

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Speaker 2: Love my own body and I'm thankful for it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's right, that's right. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was really beautiful, this whole conversation. I just love

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Speaker 1: that we could celebrate the show that means so much

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Speaker 1: to so many, but really get to know you in

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Speaker 1: a deeper way. And I thank you for being so open.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I know in studio yesterday didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: but you still wanted to come do this and I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad you did because this really was a wonderful conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for all of your questions

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Speaker 3: and your time and being open to rescheduling.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And I'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: I hope, yes, I hope you're come to New York

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Speaker 1: maybe this summer and we can I don't know, take

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Speaker 1: hot yoga and go look at the full moon, and

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Speaker 1: you can teach me more things about what is it.

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Speaker 2: Called the eyes? The shen, the shen like.

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Speaker 3: Shen, s h e and sheen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I look forward to another lesson from you soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my love, Thank you so much for hanging out.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Piglisi at Iheartrate

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Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've

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