Speaker 1: Right justin middle of a field forty five to fifteen
Speaker 1: bring wress in front of a leading Lions.
Speaker 2: In his way.
Speaker 1: I am Jeff Joniack.
Speaker 2: Whitz is on, Donny go up? What was like playing
Speaker 2: for coache Good done. I don't want to answer any
Speaker 2: questions like that.
Speaker 1: Sixty one yards? What's Sunday stroll for?
Speaker 2: Justin field?
Speaker 1: Ye Bears et cetera with the voices of the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears Jeff Joniac. The Bears may have only three wins,
Speaker 1: but they are unbeaten on Thursday Night Football as they
Speaker 1: knock out the visiting Carolina Panthers sixteen thirteen. A suffocating
Speaker 1: defensive effort and a very clean offensive effort as well,
Speaker 1: no turnovers, no sacks, and they get the victory. Hi,
Speaker 1: everybody with Super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Fare. I'm
Speaker 1: Jeff Joniack, and welcome into episode thirty two of the
Speaker 1: Bears et Cetera podcast. God to be with you each
Speaker 1: Tuesday Thursday, but this week on a Friday after the
Speaker 1: Thursday night as we look ahead as well later in
Speaker 1: the pod at the Detroit Lions coming up on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we'll interview Bears head coach Matt Eberfluss, who's at the
Speaker 1: podium on Friday breaking down the Bears victory. Steinhoffels is
Speaker 1: an employee owned furniture and mattress stove. Is it any
Speaker 1: of their four Chicago land locations in Vernon Hills, Crystal Lake,
Speaker 1: Downers Grove, and Horwood Heights or shop online at Steinhoffels
Speaker 1: dot com. It wasn't always perfect big time, but Tyson
Speaker 1: Bajen and the guys on the offense worked well with
Speaker 1: the defense and special teams came through as well, despite
Speaker 1: giving up a punt return touchdown to get to win.
Speaker 1: What are your overall views?
Speaker 2: You know, I was sitting there studying the stats of
Speaker 2: this game Japan. If you didn't watch the game and
Speaker 2: you just looked at the stats from outside, you would
Speaker 2: think the Bears won by quite a bit. And you know,
Speaker 2: they had one hundred and thirty three yards rushing to
Speaker 2: you know, I think less than fifty yards rushing by Carolina.
Speaker 2: You know, they just had the time of possession. They
Speaker 2: won by eight minutes. Like you mentioned, no sacks, A
Speaker 2: pretty game on offense, but you know it was uh,
Speaker 2: it went down to the wire and the Bears fought hard.
Speaker 2: I think that the defense is playing better. I think
Speaker 2: the defensive backs, the linebackers, and the defensive line are
Speaker 2: all complimenting each other well and hopefully that continues to improve.
Speaker 2: And uh, I think the biggest question mark going forward
Speaker 2: after this game is the quarterback position because you have
Speaker 2: the dynamic athlete and Justin Fields and you have a
Speaker 2: newly arrived Tayston Bagent and you're gonna have to you know,
Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see how Justin heels
Speaker 2: up through throughout a really important practice week.
Speaker 1: If the thumb is good to go and he's cleared medically,
Speaker 1: I would I would think he's going to be the
Speaker 1: guy to start against the Detroit Lions. You don't lose
Speaker 1: your spot due to injury, and that was an injury
Speaker 1: that's taken some four weeks now, but it's a critical
Speaker 1: one given the thumb, taking snaps, taking hits, the whole bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and after the four games that Tyson
Speaker 2: Beagent started and he wants who out of those four,
Speaker 2: I think there's evidence that he needs more practice time
Speaker 2: against the experience of some defenses that have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to work a game plan against him for the whole week.
Speaker 2: And I like where Tyson Vagen's earrow is going. But
Speaker 2: when you talk about Justin Fields and what he means
Speaker 2: to the overall performance of the offense, and considering what
Speaker 2: we saw on the Thursday night against the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 2: he can has an exciting relationship developing with DJ Moore.
Speaker 2: I think Darnelle Mooney has kind of burst out of
Speaker 2: the scene a little bit more since Justin has been injured.
Speaker 2: And we all know what cole Kmet is capable of,
Speaker 2: and they always have a reliable running game. So all
Speaker 2: those you know that you take into account, it's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting. But you know there's gonna be other
Speaker 2: positions that there's going to be interesting decisions that are
Speaker 2: going to need to be made that are really going
Speaker 2: to factor in the overall team performance of this group.
Speaker 1: I think you're referring to Herbert as one. He is
Speaker 1: about ready to come back. He has that twenty one
Speaker 1: day window to come back from his injury. And you know,
Speaker 1: Deontay Foreman has been a real, real impressive player, and
Speaker 1: I think players enjoy I mean, I read a quote
Speaker 1: from Darnell Wright talking about the way he runs the
Speaker 1: football as physical as he does. The quote if he's
Speaker 1: going to do it. I'll be damned if I don't
Speaker 1: go and do it that way. And that's what you
Speaker 1: want to hear from an offensive lineman with a running
Speaker 1: back that is a battering ram or as I referred
Speaker 1: to it as bully ball a few times last night.
Speaker 1: And I love the way he runs, but I also
Speaker 1: love the way Clill Herbert runs, and he is a
Speaker 1: game break threat in that backfield. Roshawn Johnson still finding
Speaker 1: his way back, and they will have big decisions at
Speaker 1: the running back position. You can't play everyone, and you
Speaker 1: still have the full back is going to be back
Speaker 1: at some point blasting game. You've got Travis Homer, you'd
Speaker 1: like to keep him on special teams, and Darrington Evans
Speaker 1: has done a nice job filling in. So it'll be
Speaker 1: decision time for Ryan Poles and Maddy Burflush for sure.
Speaker 2: But you know, Jeff, to me is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest decisions is going to be made that will affect
Speaker 2: this team as much as the running back position is
Speaker 2: the offensive guard position. True, because you know you have
Speaker 2: a free agent that you signed to a big money
Speaker 2: contract hopefully going to come back and get back in
Speaker 2: the competitive mix. You have Tevin Jenkins, who's playing as
Speaker 2: well as any offensive guard in the division, and luckily enough,
Speaker 2: he has some experience at the left side as well
Speaker 2: as the right. You have a season veteran like Cody
Speaker 2: Whitehair that can probably fill in on any position on
Speaker 2: the offensive line. But that is going to be a
Speaker 2: huge decision going forward, and I'm really interested to see
Speaker 2: what they're going to do about that. And now that
Speaker 2: all the defensive backs are back in the mix, it's
Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see if Tremade Edmonds is
Speaker 2: ready to come back on defense. So I think in
Speaker 2: this ten day window of opportunity, and I did ask
Speaker 2: Matt Eberflus last night when you and I interviewed him
Speaker 2: after the game, when is the process of this decision
Speaker 2: going to be being made. They're going to have a
Speaker 2: personnel meeting before the weekend begins, and then we probably
Speaker 2: won't know anything until next Wednesday, when that's the real
Speaker 2: reporting of any practices going forward.
Speaker 1: Let's look at snapcounts as we bring this Bears et
Speaker 1: cetera podcast to you take a chance download the Bent
Speaker 1: Rivers app today. So, as usual, TJ. Edwards plays he
Speaker 1: played every snap. Tyreek Stevenson Jaquon Brisker, a full return,
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, Kyler Gordon with sixty snaps defensively, so he
Speaker 1: was on the field for the entire game, and Eddie
Speaker 1: Jackson with sixty as well. And Kyler o'gordon is really
Speaker 1: playing like he was starting to play during training camp
Speaker 1: before his injury. He was all over the place. And
Speaker 1: they certainly as I used that word to describe Brisker
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago before his concussion, deployed Kyler
Speaker 1: Gordon as well. He hits hard, he's super athletic. He
Speaker 1: had eight tackles. He had some pass breakups too, So
Speaker 1: a lot of great things happen. And from that nickel spot,
Speaker 1: which means in this defense with Matt Eberflu's running, it
Speaker 1: is a good combo. He loves those nickels.
Speaker 2: Well, you know the thing that gives them When you
Speaker 2: have an athlete like Brisker and you have one like
Speaker 2: Kyle Gordon, you have the experience of Eddie Jackson, it
Speaker 2: gives you a certain rotation of the defensive backs that
Speaker 2: can keep a quarterback thinking throughout the cadence and maybe
Speaker 2: you can get into a chance where you know Tyree
Speaker 2: Stevenson should have had an interception last night, and I
Speaker 2: think there was another one who else, Sanborn? Sanborn, you know,
Speaker 2: could have had an interception. So now if you can
Speaker 2: take one of those two plays and get an interception
Speaker 2: out of it, you're talking about an extra possession for
Speaker 2: the offense. And you know, then there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of reluctancy by the opponent's quarterback to throw into those
Speaker 2: tight windows. So I like the versatility that it gives
Speaker 2: the back end of the defense, but I like more
Speaker 2: as they have a rotation of eight defensive linemen, who
Speaker 2: when they have that rotation on the back end of
Speaker 2: the defense, they can have a fresh group of defensive
Speaker 2: linemen up in front, one of them rushing the pass
Speaker 2: or trying to stop the run.
Speaker 1: And Gatkway had the most at forty eight sweat with
Speaker 1: forty four and at eight pressures according to the Next
Speaker 1: Gen Stats, that's huge. He is one of the top
Speaker 1: five in the league in that category right now, Justin Jones,
Speaker 1: who I thought a terrific game, got a career high
Speaker 1: in pressures. He was at forty one. Now this is
Speaker 1: where where it gets interesting. We talked about Javon Dexter
Speaker 1: getting more snaps and Zach Pickens. Pickens didn't get many
Speaker 1: more than a week ago he had twelve, but Dexter
Speaker 1: played nearly half the snaps he got twenty nine, and
Speaker 1: I think I felt his presence as well. He had
Speaker 1: three pressures and that's all. You know, sweat being the
Speaker 1: multiplier there, you got to pay attention to him, and
Speaker 1: it's helped everybody on the defensive line clearly it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Rashem Green has a sec DeMarcus Walker's
Speaker 2: you know, he's has the ability to play up and
Speaker 2: down the line of scrimmage. Javon Dexter are starting to
Speaker 2: use his length as a real asset. And you see
Speaker 2: that from other defensive defensive linemen around the league, how
Speaker 2: they used their length to increase the competitiveness against the
Speaker 2: offensive linemen they're facing. So if Tavon Dexter is able
Speaker 2: to continue the improvement process, I think he'll probably end
Speaker 2: up getting more snaps and up and down the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Rex and Jones got a good rating from PFF for
Speaker 1: his performance too against the pass rush and again no
Speaker 1: sacks by the offensive line, and yes they got one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three yards, but it needed thirty seven carries,
Speaker 1: and you know what, I don't care. I don't care
Speaker 1: what the yard for carry averages. The thirty seven carries
Speaker 1: was big, and that's what we called for. We called
Speaker 1: for that this and I hope it continues. If it's
Speaker 1: justin moving forward, or Tyson has to play another game,
Speaker 1: who knows. But I just want to see them continue
Speaker 1: to utilize those guys up front. It's what they do best.
Speaker 1: They get off the ball, they get in space, they
Speaker 1: can pull, they can do a great job getting out
Speaker 1: on screens when the timing's right. Just put it on
Speaker 1: the offensive line and put it on those backs to
Speaker 1: kind of set up the play action passing game and
Speaker 1: be better on first down and have shorter third downs.
Speaker 1: I'm okay. I don't know how you look at it.
Speaker 2: I agree, Jeff. Look, I love the whole stable of
Speaker 2: running backs the Bears have, and that's including Kyrie blasting game.
Speaker 2: If you even have to put a couple of those
Speaker 2: guys on multiple special teams in order to keep them
Speaker 2: active on game day, I would be willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Because Chubble Hubbard. Last night with Chubba Hubbard in the
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers game. He's now elevated to one of their
Speaker 2: starting running backs. He's also on special teams, So don't
Speaker 2: take away or don't make a guy unactive on game
Speaker 2: day because you need a special team or I would
Speaker 2: be willing to put a running back in on special
Speaker 2: teams in order to keep them active so you have
Speaker 2: that fresh group of running backs that you can continue
Speaker 2: that running game process.
Speaker 1: It's just great to see the offensive line playoff seventy
Speaker 1: two snaps as a unit. There were no changes. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times that's happened this season. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, all seventy two snaps, I can't recall. I'd
Speaker 1: have to go and look it up. But that was good.
Speaker 1: Of course, Dj Moore and Cole Komt they're going to
Speaker 1: be on the field for almost every snap. Sixty seven
Speaker 1: and sixty six. Moon he got forty eight the running game,
Speaker 1: you know, Foreman got thirty eight, Roshawan got thirty, Tyler
Speaker 1: Scott e Q Saint Brown he's got twenty eight snaps,
Speaker 1: Tenyon got twenty three. Mercedes Lewis in the run game
Speaker 1: with twenty so it's a good, good spread. I like
Speaker 1: the way everybody got on the field for this game?
Speaker 2: How about that? How about that fourth down catch by
Speaker 2: Tyler Scott? Though, if you want to talk about how
Speaker 2: do you earn extra snaps? Can we put you on
Speaker 2: the field and some of the most important down in
Speaker 2: distances and still consider you a reliable option. That fourth
Speaker 2: down catch he made and then took a big wallop
Speaker 2: after it impressive. And he had he had a nice,
Speaker 2: really nice wide receiver and around that was also impressive.
Speaker 2: So I guess the more you get involved in the offense,
Speaker 2: the more it challenges the defense to be aware of you.
Speaker 1: Two double digit plays right there, and he was I
Speaker 1: talked to him after the game. He's not gonna get
Speaker 1: a ton of touches. He knows that it had a
Speaker 1: big smile on his face. He was dressed in this
Speaker 1: all black Bears coat and shirt that the NFLPA sent him,
Speaker 1: and he was just I think he was just genuinely
Speaker 1: excited about getting a win, but also making two plays
Speaker 1: that moved the chains. They got first downs out of it.
Speaker 1: And there was another catch he made a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Same thing gets up in the air, I
Speaker 1: think embracing himself for a hit, you know, as he
Speaker 1: moves forward in his NFL crew, maybe doesn't go up
Speaker 1: in the air to get it. He just makes the
Speaker 1: catch and then you can make a play with it,
Speaker 1: but your feet on the ground. Oftentimes receivers do leave
Speaker 1: their feet and they don't necessarily have to. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he didn't have to do in that one, but
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it because he's got the juice,
Speaker 1: he's got speed.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I was, Jeff. I was also
Speaker 2: encouraged by his kickoff return because I don't really think
Speaker 2: you know a lot about a guy until you see
Speaker 2: him get a live action in game kickoff return. Is
Speaker 2: he going to attack it with speeding to try to
Speaker 2: make some moves on initial contact, and is he going
Speaker 2: to end the place safely with the ball into his hands.
Speaker 2: All those indicators initially are answered for me. It's difficult
Speaker 2: now because there's a lot of kicks that are not returned. However,
Speaker 2: the weather's going to challenge two speed. Huh.
Speaker 1: The weather's going to change too. You're gonna see yeah kicks.
Speaker 2: But it's nice to have his speed and willingness back
Speaker 2: there to be involved in the kicking game.
Speaker 1: We're brought to you by PNC Official Bank of the Bears.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the defense because two point seven of
Speaker 1: carry a long run of nine. It's been outstanding all
Speaker 1: season long, the run defense, third down getting better. It's
Speaker 1: been a sore subject, obviously, but they did a nice
Speaker 1: job on third down. And I got to talk about
Speaker 1: their quarterback because we touched on it in the pregame.
Speaker 1: I believe just about the size of a quarterback gets
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. He's a sub six foot quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I saw this online today and I think it's
Speaker 1: from one of the guys, maybe it was Tony Zalas
Speaker 1: on the broadcast on Amazon. But you know, the idea is,
Speaker 1: you get a good quarterback in there, and then if
Speaker 1: there's not enough around him, and they gave away DJ
Speaker 1: Moore to get him, basically, they traded away, you know,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey to clear the path to get a higher
Speaker 1: draft pick last year and to try to reload, and
Speaker 1: teams go through all these machinations to find the guy,
Speaker 1: and then there's not enough around him to actually have
Speaker 1: immediate success. So that's the thinking, and the quote here
Speaker 1: is then people begin to rush the judgment on the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and the quarterback then starts to think maybe he's not
Speaker 1: good enough, and he starts to lose confidence. He didn't
Speaker 1: look comfortable, and that's a credit to the Bears making
Speaker 1: him feel uncomfortable in the pocket when that pocket started
Speaker 1: to really act like a vice grip on him. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not easy seeing over six foot six players, and
Speaker 1: I think that really impacted him last night.
Speaker 2: Bryce, y'all no doubt about it, because again we talked
Speaker 2: about it in the pregame. When you think about the
Speaker 2: support and Cassidy played with in college, you play against
Speaker 2: a bunch of five star high school athletes that go
Speaker 2: on to have them play their career in Alabama. You're
Speaker 2: always playing on the lead. You're always being protected by
Speaker 2: an offensive line that doesn't allow a lot of penetration,
Speaker 2: so you have clear sight lines. Now, when you're the
Speaker 2: first pick in the NFL Draft, you're expected to elevate
Speaker 2: the talent around you, and I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be difficult when you know it's so kind when you
Speaker 2: say a sub six foot quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's just a you know, that's like better than me
Speaker 1: calling mcdy.
Speaker 2: Is a sub six foot quarterback, you know, and he
Speaker 2: got mad when he called them five nine and three quarters.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember Drew Brees at the scouting combine. He
Speaker 1: insisted he was six feet on. You know, the first
Speaker 1: measurement wasn't and he was livid.
Speaker 2: He was just mad.
Speaker 1: And you know that probably carried all the way through
Speaker 1: his great Hall of Fame NFL career. But I'll never
Speaker 1: forget being up here at Hallis Hall and I was
Speaker 1: working at another place. I had to do a TV
Speaker 1: interview with Kay mcdown when he got drafted. I said,
Speaker 1: and oh, here in Alisa with the little left. He
Speaker 1: cave mcdown and he shot a look at me like
Speaker 1: I just said, the worst thing in the world. He
Speaker 1: goes who you call him little, and he was looking
Speaker 1: down on top of me and he was a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger than me. But uh but yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't mess with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: You know, there's always a haunting measurement time in all
Speaker 2: of our lives, you know, for me and my high
Speaker 2: school program, I tell you, in my college program, I
Speaker 2: was always listed at six ' five because they just
Speaker 2: ask you how tall you are. Then you go to
Speaker 2: the combine and they make you stand up against the
Speaker 2: wall to pick your toes up off the ground. And
Speaker 2: then they stick a ruler on your skull and they
Speaker 2: measure you from that. In the first time they barked
Speaker 2: out six three and three quarters, I remember looking at
Speaker 2: the guy and I'm not six three and three. So
Speaker 2: whether you're you know what to jeff. The thing about
Speaker 2: it is when you get measured in those circumstances, it
Speaker 2: costs you money. True, That's why we all want to
Speaker 2: be taller than what we actually are.
Speaker 1: I'm five to seven and a half and that's on
Speaker 1: a good day, and I'm probably gonna be shrinking here
Speaker 1: soon at sixty one. But is You know, it's funny
Speaker 1: because on my board I always write the exact height
Speaker 1: that they give at the combine for players, and Tom
Speaker 1: sees my board he makes cracks about the three quarters
Speaker 1: of the six six three and an eighth, you know,
Speaker 1: like that matters. It might matter. It might be the
Speaker 1: difference between a tip pass and the defensive line or not.
Speaker 2: Who knows, you're right, you're right, But I guess when
Speaker 2: it affected me, you know, I took offense to it,
Speaker 2: just like Drew Brees, Doug Flutie, Cave mcdown, whomever we're
Speaker 2: talking about. We just happened to be talking about Bryce Young,
Speaker 2: who saw last night.
Speaker 1: I'd give anything to be six to three, trust me,
Speaker 1: anything in the world. So Bryce young fifty five percent
Speaker 1: completion against the Bears is worst since Week one and
Speaker 1: his debut against the Falcons. He did have one really
Speaker 1: good play and Brisker are coming over and coverage on
Speaker 1: Mike Strawn, the practice squad player caught a forty five
Speaker 1: yard pass. That's an unbelievable athlete from a small school.
Speaker 1: That was a great play. That was That was the
Speaker 1: first time all year year he made a play like that,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this is going to be
Speaker 1: him or does he have it in him with better
Speaker 1: talent around him. And again that's their issue, not hours
Speaker 1: on our podcast. But I'm just curious because he was
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: I think it was a great pass placement because when
Speaker 2: you look at where that pass was, it was in
Speaker 2: the direction of going to the sidelines towards the hands
Speaker 2: of the receiver. So if the receiver wouldn't have caught
Speaker 2: the ball and it would have tipped off his fingers,
Speaker 2: it would have harmlessly bounced out of bounds. It wasn't
Speaker 2: in the field of play, so I think it was
Speaker 2: a really smart pass by Bryce Young to give his
Speaker 2: receiver that opportunity where it's either going to succeed or
Speaker 2: failure or and the success is going to be a
Speaker 2: great catch.
Speaker 1: Good news, Chicago United Airlines is getting brand new planes
Speaker 1: with all the bells and whistles like Bluetooth connectivity screens
Speaker 1: at every seat in the room for everyone's rollerbag. United
Speaker 1: Proud to fly the Chicago Bears and you too. Let's
Speaker 1: talk more about the defense and just in general. As
Speaker 1: Maddieberflus pointed it out, first time since nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: zero sacks allowed, no turnovers, and no touchdowns allowed by
Speaker 1: the defense. It also happened on your nineteen ninety one team,
Speaker 1: So congratulations, no sacks allowed and no turnovers for your offense.
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was against, but I know
Speaker 1: what happened in nineteen ninety one. But that's the kind
Speaker 1: of complimentary football that he wants to play. And there
Speaker 1: was a situation where the Bears did for six punts,
Speaker 1: but there was one starting field position was the Carolina
Speaker 1: thirty eight. After a nice punt by Gil and the
Speaker 1: Bears drove the thirty eight yards and nine plays. That
Speaker 1: was the only touchdown of the game, Deontay Foreman's four
Speaker 1: yard run. They have to do more of that, the
Speaker 1: more complimentary football. And I know people get weary about
Speaker 1: the cliche of coaches and they talk about complimentary football,
Speaker 1: but it is a fact of life. Any football, you
Speaker 1: got to play complimentary football. And I think for the
Speaker 1: most part last night the Bears played complimentary football as
Speaker 1: best as they could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I think on that touchdown drive,
Speaker 2: I think, to me, the best play of it it
Speaker 2: was the touchdown run by Deontay Foreman, all even though
Speaker 2: it was only a couple of yards, because if you
Speaker 2: look at his last muscular effort to get the ball
Speaker 2: across the goal line before his legs touched the ground,
Speaker 2: it was a really great move and it was a
Speaker 2: great display of power with defenders on top of them
Speaker 2: to get into the end zone. It just kind of
Speaker 2: gives you a little snippet of the desired Deontay Foreman
Speaker 2: has with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: I know you watch the tape. Well. The offensive line
Speaker 1: played well. Blocking Derek Brown was going to be a challenge.
Speaker 1: They didn't have Brian Burns. They were down to backups
Speaker 1: at so many positions. They're already down three starting line
Speaker 1: back the top three outside land backers aren't playing, the
Speaker 1: top inside linebacker isn't playing, their top two cornerbacks aren't playing,
Speaker 1: and one of them is not going to come back.
Speaker 1: But Derek Brown's good. He had ten tackles, two tackles
Speaker 1: for lost, and two quarterback hits. What'd you see how
Speaker 1: to deal with him on the interior.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a guy that the Bears tried to
Speaker 2: single block every once in a while, and you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of plays he beat Tevin Jenkins, one of
Speaker 2: them being a tackle for loss. But when you're talking
Speaker 2: about a six three to two hundred and forty pounds
Speaker 2: player that has great maneuverability, whether he wants to play
Speaker 2: to the outside edge of the guard or on the
Speaker 2: interior or the defensive line, he's rarely is the focus
Speaker 2: of the point of attack because you're not going to
Speaker 2: get great movement against him. He's more the type of
Speaker 2: player that you would like to kind of steer clear
Speaker 2: of and go to the outside or the opposite edge
Speaker 2: of him. But you know, he's like the other dominating
Speaker 2: defensive lineman that we've seen throughout. You know, our lifetime
Speaker 2: in the NFL that you're going to have to be
Speaker 2: aware of him. You're going to have to understand the
Speaker 2: formations you use offensively to put him in the worst
Speaker 2: possible position, and then you're going to have to run
Speaker 2: some plays to try to tire him out a little
Speaker 2: bit like they have this year in the Raiders game
Speaker 2: or some of the other games out there, that they've
Speaker 2: really tried to use that outside edge, and that's kind
Speaker 2: of similar what you're going to have to do this
Speaker 2: week against Detroit is really take advantage of that outside
Speaker 2: running game with receivers, running backs and anybody else who
Speaker 2: can get out there.
Speaker 1: After watching so much of this season, knowing the personnel
Speaker 1: as you do and what they're best at, what, in
Speaker 1: your opinion, is the Bears go to running play?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question, you know. I again, I
Speaker 2: think it's personnel, you know, dictated. If you have a
Speaker 2: good dynamic defensive tackle, that quick pitch when they say
Speaker 2: they're in shotgun formation, the running back is lined up
Speaker 2: to either the right hip or the left hip. The
Speaker 2: quarterback gets it and pitches it out immediately because they
Speaker 2: have good tight end blockers all you know. Eighty five
Speaker 2: eighty four eighteen. Steven Carlson played you know eighty eight
Speaker 2: last night. So they have good edge blockers, but they
Speaker 2: also have good offensive tacks that could pull and get
Speaker 2: to the outside to lead the immediate sweep. Plus they
Speaker 2: have offensive guards that can be able to get outside
Speaker 2: if they want to run a guard let sweep. Plus
Speaker 2: they have screenplays that can work the edge. But to me,
Speaker 2: if there is dominant interior defensive lineman that quick pitch
Speaker 2: to the outside, and then if there is a better
Speaker 2: outside contained running the defensive ends, they have the ability
Speaker 2: to have really solid power double teams created maybe by
Speaker 2: a Darnell Wright and Tevin Jenkins that they're really well
Speaker 2: organized about getting movement on the first level defensive tackle
Speaker 2: and still getting one of the two athletes up and
Speaker 2: getting a second level block. And we've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of those plays. You know, the one in New Orleans
Speaker 2: that Deonta Foreman was tripped by a shoelace tackle and
Speaker 2: got up punching the ground because he knew that was
Speaker 2: going to be a touchdown. That was an inside the
Speaker 2: tackle really over the outside shoulder of Tevin Jenkins. So
Speaker 2: a lot of it is personnel dictated, but I think
Speaker 2: the Bears and Chris Morgan, the offensive line coach, are
Speaker 2: fortunate that they have the personnel that they could take
Speaker 2: advantage of their most vulnerable defensive spot.
Speaker 1: Well, we really didn't talk about last night. On third
Speaker 1: and seven, the last snap that could put away the game,
Speaker 1: and I kind of already had given my fade to
Speaker 1: black after the missfield goal, the long field goal attempt
Speaker 1: by Pinero, which is not good because there was going
Speaker 1: to still be time on the clock, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of assumed a little bit too much there. I
Speaker 1: think he thought to Orange, I did both.
Speaker 2: I did both. I did both.
Speaker 1: I think it was the exuberance of finally getting a
Speaker 1: victory again, but doing the math and knowing how the
Speaker 1: defense played, I didn't feel a lot of comfort in
Speaker 1: the fact that or scared. I wasn't scared the Carolina
Speaker 1: was going to be able to move the football, but
Speaker 1: you just never know you could get a deep penalty
Speaker 1: and set up a field goal to tie the game.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: So Luke Getzi, I think deserves a lot more credit.
Speaker 1: We didn't really touch on it. Third and seven, and
Speaker 1: that's situation, and again it's a group think. It's a
Speaker 1: decision you could either run the ball and punt or
Speaker 1: go for it on a pass. And I think that
Speaker 1: third and seven was a really gutsy, getsy call and
Speaker 1: it was executed perfectly by both the quarterback and the
Speaker 1: receiver taking the pop in this case, Darnell Mooney, were
Speaker 1: okay with the decision. Did you think it was the
Speaker 1: right decision and would you do it that way again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was okay with the decision. They were getting
Speaker 2: good pass protection by the offensive line. It was evident
Speaker 2: all night because there was times that Tyson Beagen may
Speaker 2: have been holding onto the ball a little bit too long. However,
Speaker 2: in the biggest moment of the biggest play really to
Speaker 2: decide the game, Tyson Bagent stood back there confidently with
Speaker 2: good protection up front, and went to a really trustworthy
Speaker 2: receiver in Darnell Mooney, and he delivered the ball that
Speaker 2: it was going to be first touched by the offensive player,
Speaker 2: and then it was a gutsy catch by Darnell Mooney.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad the fact that they stay aggressive,
Speaker 2: because there was a play earlier in the game in
Speaker 2: the third quarter when it was third and eighteen and
Speaker 2: they ran a draw. I didn't like that play. I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, there's an opportunity there with so many, you know,
Speaker 2: with the DJ Moore and the Darnelle Mooney and Cole
Speaker 2: Kamet and Tyler Scott, that they could have gone for
Speaker 2: some type of pass over the middle with you know,
Speaker 2: to see if they could get a big first down
Speaker 2: at that point. So yeah, I can disagree with some plays,
Speaker 2: but I agree with that play.
Speaker 1: So in the retrospect now of four starts in a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half, I guess of playing time for
Speaker 1: Tyson Bage. And he went from this unknown that few
Speaker 1: people outside of Chicago knew about from Shepherd University to
Speaker 1: being on the set of Amazon with all those guys
Speaker 1: and the ex players and Andrew Whitworth and Tony Gonzolez,
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman, that's who the quote. That's the
Speaker 1: quote that I gave earlier. That was Richard Sherman. Now
Speaker 1: that I think about it, about quarterbacks, and he should
Speaker 1: know he tried to take away a lot of balls
Speaker 1: from quarterbacks back in the secondary. But he was on
Speaker 1: the set with Bears fans going crazy at the end
Speaker 1: of the game at Soldier Field. But that is a big, long,
Speaker 1: big hop from one extreme to the next. And now
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know he may not play another
Speaker 1: snap this season. Have we learned enough to know enough
Speaker 1: about Tyson Beagen's future in the NFL regardless of where
Speaker 1: on the depth chart that is, Is there enough to
Speaker 1: him that makes you feel really good that he's a
Speaker 1: Bear right now as an undrafted rookie free agent?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think Tyson Beagent most importantly has
Speaker 2: given himself an indicator that he belongs in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And if you give him the opportunity to study the
Speaker 2: rest of this season going to the offseason, and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't, He's never going to be a guy that
Speaker 2: needs to be encouraged to be in the weight room
Speaker 2: and be in shape. You know, that's the standard that
Speaker 2: he lives by. So everything that Tyson Beagen has learned
Speaker 2: about himself and what he's going to do in the
Speaker 2: off season to be become more educated about NFL defenses,
Speaker 2: about a better understanding of the Chicago Bears offense, about
Speaker 2: the job requirements, I'm all in on Tyson Beijen and
Speaker 2: I hope he has an opportunity to be a Bear
Speaker 2: for a long time in whatever role he achieves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly, if I'm looking at it from an
Speaker 1: analyst perspective, feel very comfortable with him being on that
Speaker 1: depth chart. He just there's just something about him, for sure.
Speaker 1: Busy Heart Seltzer, the official Heart Seltzer of the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: Let's touch on special teams before we wrap up and
Speaker 1: give a quick sneak peek of Detroit. Kyro Santos deserves
Speaker 1: a ton of credit for that fifty four yarder that
Speaker 1: became a forty nine yarder because of the Cody Whitehair penalty,
Speaker 1: and he nailed it and went three for three. He's
Speaker 1: had a really good season. He's had a really good
Speaker 1: time as a Chicago Bear, and he's really kicked well
Speaker 1: in Soldier Field and then cleaning up the punt return
Speaker 1: that was, according to Next Gen Stats, the third most
Speaker 1: improbable punt return touchdown since twenty twenty one because Smith Marsett.
Speaker 1: Smith Marsett ran seventy nine yards for the touchdown, but
Speaker 1: actually traveled one hundred and six and a half yards
Speaker 1: from snap to score at nineteen point five miles per hour,
Speaker 1: so he avoided Josh Blackwell. It was coming in strong
Speaker 1: and then got past Patrick's scales. But there was no
Speaker 1: lane integrity in that return and he just ran away
Speaker 1: for the touchdown that was the only one of the
Speaker 1: game for Carolina. Those two components of special teams, what
Speaker 1: were your thoughts.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a banger punt. And the thing
Speaker 2: about it is when you have a punt that carries
Speaker 2: significant distances and maybe he doesn't have the hang time
Speaker 2: attached to it, there's a certain separation to the first
Speaker 2: line of defense and the aggressiveness of the returner. When
Speaker 2: he sees those open lanes, it's full steam ahead at
Speaker 2: attacking the goal line. And I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2: It was the per for combination of a long punt
Speaker 2: and a returner that was hungry. Listen, it's not a
Speaker 2: weekly occurrence. We're not sitting here talking about, oh my god,
Speaker 2: another punt return against the Bears. It's just that happened
Speaker 2: to be a punt return against the Bears on Thursday
Speaker 2: night football, when scoring, you know, was the priority because
Speaker 2: you know, there wasn't a lot of points scored at
Speaker 2: that point, so you know, you give credit where credit
Speaker 2: is due to the returner. But I don't think it's
Speaker 2: something that Richard high Towers special teams. You know, are
Speaker 2: you know, under the gun because this is a regular
Speaker 2: occurrence about Santos. I can't say enough about the kid,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, kickers kind of have a thankless job,
Speaker 2: and I give him a hard time, probably as much
Speaker 2: as anybody. But when he was backed up five yards
Speaker 2: after making a big kick, and again we talk about
Speaker 2: how important points were in this game, I you know,
Speaker 2: I admire him and he's got a lot of courage
Speaker 2: and he went out there without hesitation and bang that
Speaker 2: next kick and you see the results of it.
Speaker 1: Bears fans, you can be there for live NFL action
Speaker 1: all season long. Is the official ticket marketplace of the
Speaker 1: Bears and the NFL. Ticketmaster has a wide selection of
Speaker 1: tickets available for every game. Find tickets today at ticketmaster
Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Bears. It's a weekend off of rest
Speaker 1: and recovery for the Bears. They'll be back Monday and
Speaker 1: they got ready for the Detroit Lions. Should be getting
Speaker 1: some news by midweek. As Tom mentioned at the outset
Speaker 1: of this podcast on Justin Fields and a likely I
Speaker 1: would say return, but who knows. It's up to a
Speaker 1: lot of different factors. But let's take a look at
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. I begin with the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: and their offensive line is highly regarded. It's done a
Speaker 1: great job. Jared Goff has done a great job. Jamiir
Speaker 1: Gibbs and David Montgomery doing a great job. And then
Speaker 1: you got to always be aware of Aiden Hutchinson. On
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. They're starting two rickeys,
Speaker 1: one inside linebacker, a strong side linebacker, I should say,
Speaker 1: and Brian Branch this nickelback that they have. But they've
Speaker 1: got mojo and they're going to be home in a
Speaker 1: really raucous environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when was the first year that you were in
Speaker 2: Detroit Stadium?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the new one.
Speaker 2: No, since you've been going to nineteen ninety seven, Okay,
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety seven, Jeff. This is gonna be your
Speaker 2: loudest experience you've ever had inside Detroit Stadium, and it's
Speaker 2: probably gonna be the loudest I've ever had since nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five. And I think that is a real weapon nowadays,
Speaker 2: because when you talk about Dan Campbell, the head coach
Speaker 2: who will never be in a stance, and the change
Speaker 2: of a culture and the way the Detroit fans feel
Speaker 2: about them, we've seen them travel on the road better
Speaker 2: and we'll see a reflection of it. So it's something
Speaker 2: that the Bears are going to have to be able
Speaker 2: to overcome. Organize snap count on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 2: so you don't play into the hands of a guy
Speaker 2: like Hutchinson, and then you're gonna have to be able
Speaker 2: to attack Jared Goff, get to him and make him
Speaker 2: look like a slow, older quarterback by some pressure in
Speaker 2: challenging his his fundamental foundation throwing position. They have a
Speaker 2: good offensive line, they have a good running game. David Montgomery,
Speaker 2: ex Chicago Bear, is over there, so I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be an emotional game for him, sat Eq
Speaker 2: Saint Brown's brother is over there. Emotional game for those
Speaker 2: two in their parents. So there's these little different elements
Speaker 2: and factors that will play into the game, but you
Speaker 2: kind of don't recognize them because you know, you're not
Speaker 2: aware of how much the crowd contributes to good defensive
Speaker 2: football play in Detroit until we're up in the booth,
Speaker 2: you know, hearing it from above.
Speaker 1: And the Bears trying to stop yet one more losing streak,
Speaker 1: and that's in the division, eight straight consecutive games lost.
Speaker 1: The Lions going to LA to meet the Chargers tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so they'll have a long wide back before they take
Speaker 1: on the Bears. The Lions at six and two on
Speaker 1: top of the division. All right, that's going to wrap
Speaker 1: us up for our podcast. Appreciate you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. For Tom There, I'm Jeff Joniac. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: Our next Bears et cetera podcast dropping next Tuesday after
Speaker 1: our interview with Matt Eberflus. Thanks for listening. Please subscribe
Speaker 1: now on the Chicago Bears official app, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Bear down, everybody,