1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com. I am John Schmelt demand 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Tom I write his lance meadow to a one four 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: five one three hashtag Giant Chat on Twitter. If you 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: want to talk to us that way you can. A 6 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: couple of guests. We'll have Ted Pardi, who is the 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: radio analyst for the University of Houston. He'll join us 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: in just a minute. We'll get him on the line 9 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: right now, and then we're going to have a guest 10 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: to talk about the Michigan Wolverine prospects. Sam Web, host 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: of the Michigan Inside right around twelve thirty. I'm gonna 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: have to awkwardly leave around twelve forty, so get ready 13 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: for that. I didn't like keel over and die. Sorry, 14 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: I hate to disappoint all my fans out there, but 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: I will awkwardly walk out around twelve forty. Gotta run 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: up and do an interview upstairs and start for being late. 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: With another interview going on in here as well. The 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: players are back, so a little bit busy without to 19 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: squeeze a lot of things in less indeed, well listen, 20 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: it's a fun, exciting time because, like you said, The 21 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: off season program officially gets underway today. Team started last 22 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: week that had new coaches, So that's why teams this 23 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: week who get their offseason programs underway had coaches are 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: ready well established. That's usually how the NFL offseason schedule 25 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: plays out. And we're only about ten or eleven days, 26 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: depending on whether you count. Today is a day away 27 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft is coming fast and furious. Well. 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Coverage of that on Giants dot Com for the next 29 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: ten or eleven days is all presented by cores Light 30 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: download the cores Light Awards apt to an amazing Giants 31 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Prizes and will continually have a couple of days left 32 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: of school prospect interviews in today, we head south to Houston, 33 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: where we talked to Ted Party, who was the radio 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: analyst for the University of Houston football program. Ted, you 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: got John Schmulkin Lance Medal here in East Rutherford, New 36 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Jersey at the Giants practice facility. How are you, oh, Dave? 37 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: I think is is beauty of the button? There we go, 38 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: there we go. Thank you that, Ted, I bet you 39 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: can hear you now how we're doing great? Appreciate it. Um. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: A couple of things real quick at Oliver. I've watched 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: him a bunch and it's funny. The player from sixteen 42 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: and seventeen is a guy that I would think about 43 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: drafting one, two or three. Why do you think maybe 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: he didn't quite look like the same guy in or 45 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Am I not looking at the right tape? No? I 46 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: mean you bring up a good point. I think it's 47 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: also important to remember that by the time ten football 48 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: season rolled around, every offensive lineman seeing tape on at 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Oliver and for the first time in my recollection at 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: least doing this for about fifteen years here at Houston, 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: I saw one guy get triple teamed over and over again. 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: And so when you think about the fact that that 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: teams like Texas Tech and Arizona felt like they needed 54 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: to triple team at Oliver, there's some respect there that 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: it is just undeniable. But yeah, I mean, look, this 56 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: team was an off year for him, but remember he 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: missed a few games. He he got chop blocked against 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: uh Navy and it was just an ugly looking block. 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the table. He took 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: a chop block in the knee and and really scared everybody. 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: And from that point on he just you know, he 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: needed to recover, and then you know he did. He 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: ended up not playing the rest of the season. Ted 64 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: when you started to project what exactly he could do 65 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: at the next level, certainly his numbers jump off the page. 66 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Despite maybe that two thousand eighteen wasn't his impressive has seventeen, 67 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: his ability to pile up tackles for losses, get after 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: the quarterback. I mean, what do you see as his 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: main strength as he makes the transition from college of 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the pros. Well, well, he you know, his main strength 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: is his athleticism. Um, he's like having Adrian Peterson with 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: and with fifty extra pounds with his hand on the ground. 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: He runs like a running back. I mean, when you 74 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: see this guy, he you know, pick up game of basketball. 75 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: He condunked the ball. He runs around like a point guard. 76 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: But remember we're talking about a nose tackle. We're talking 77 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: about a guy that is at the point of attack 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: taking on two blockers most of the time. So his 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: his athleticism is incredibly unique. Because he's so quick and fast. 80 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: You can put him on the edge as a defensive 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: end or as a Russi end. You can drop him 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: into coverage, you can and again we're talking about nose 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: guard here. Uh. You can do all kinds of things 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: with him, and I think that that's really what the 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: NFL has become today is is you're looking for guys 86 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: that you don't have to sub to get off the 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: field for a sub package. You leave him out there 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: and and it causes problems for office. Ted. You would 89 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: say he played it between two seventy five and to 90 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: eighty last year, give or take. That's right. And I 91 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I think he'll put on a 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: little bit of muscle this offseason. I think that he'll 93 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: probably you know, he'll probably come in at two eighty 94 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: and uh, and he'll be a he'll be a tough, 95 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: tough force to deal with, no doubt. You know. It's ten. 96 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: It's funny because I looked at the tape and as 97 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: great as he was, I wonder why, Houston, and maybe 98 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: you can inform me on this. Why not use him 99 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: more at the three technique where it's maybe a little 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: bit tougher to to double and triple team and he 101 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: gets more one on ones with guards that ray way, 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: rather than having him at nose guard, which is exactly right, 103 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: that's where they had him most of the time. But 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: I think it's it's harder to get that type of 105 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: pass rush production from that spot in the NFL. I 106 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: think he's a three technique. I think you can't kick 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: him the end if you want. He's at athletics. So 108 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: why do you think Houston used them at nose guard 109 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the way they did in their scheme? Well, I think 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: it was a defensive philosophy. To be totally frank with you, 111 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think that marktin Oprio, the former defensive 112 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: coordinator at Houston, he was you know, he likes the 113 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: odd front. Uh. He wanted to find a way to 114 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: free up his linebackers to go make plays. If you 115 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: look at the American Athletic Conference, at the number one 116 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: and number two tackler, uh in the whole conference were 117 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Houston's two inside linebackers. Like a big shocker there, right, Yeah, 118 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: you've got a guy like an Oliver sucking up three guys. 119 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: You better have your two linebackers is the number one 120 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: and number two tacklers. So um, but you know what 121 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: I mean. Look, I'm a little bit biased here. Look 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: I grew up as a four three guy. I played 123 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: in the four three defense when I was in college. 124 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: So you know, I kind of tend to agree with you, 125 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: but I think that Houston just didn't have the horses. 126 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: They didn't have the depth at d line, especially at 127 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: that tackle spot where you could put uh, you know, 128 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: you could put Ed in a three or a three 129 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: I and you could, you know, you could do some damage. 130 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: I just think they were limited in what they were. 131 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: You know they had available Ted. There's so much depth 132 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: at the defensive lineman pass rushing position entering this year's class. 133 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, where have you heard of anything that 134 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna go. I mean, you see my drafts, 135 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: they have them sometimes at the top five, other drafts 136 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: where you see him in the teens, which is not 137 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: necessarily surprised at this time of the year. But how 138 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: high do you think and Oliver could go based on 139 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: his versatility that he brings to the table. Well, I mean, 140 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: it just depends on who you listen to, right, I 141 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: can tell you this. We know that Ed will be 142 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: in New York or he will he will be at 143 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: the draft. Excuse me, he will be at the draft. 144 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: So so that's gonna you know, that kind of tell 145 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: you to tell you something that when the guys are 146 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: there in person. It kind of indicates that maybe some 147 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: conversations they've had with some teams, but there's no promises, right. 148 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that Ed would be a steel 149 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: in the first round if if he slips blow you know, 150 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the fifth sixth pick. I think he's a steel. Uh, 151 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: he's in. You know, everybody compares him to Aaron Donald. 152 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: He is that explosive, he is that quick and uh, 153 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I think he'd be a 154 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: great compliment to any defense that needs some explosiveness up front. 155 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: The final one, I'll last head and I put asterixs 156 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: on on these things because people from outside the program, 157 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: I think jumped to a lot of conclusions and they 158 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what's going on inside the building. But 159 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: I think you're the perfect guy that cleared up force. 160 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Some people have questions Ed Motor a little bit as 161 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: his last year in Houston, you had to flare up 162 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: with with the jacket on the sideline. Should should any 163 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: teams be worried at all about Ed Oliver the guy 164 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: in the locker room instead of at Oliver the guy 165 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: in the field. You know what I mean? You know, 166 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: I certainly do. I mean, listen, I uh, my own 167 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: son played on the team last year, and I can 168 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: tell you as a teammate at Oliver is a top 169 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: notch guy. He is the kind of guy that that 170 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: the team wants to rally behind. I'm sure there was 171 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: a couple of dust ups, but remember you're talking about 172 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: a guy that you know, he he lives, breathes and 173 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: bleeds the game. He he has such a passion for 174 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: the game and and so you know, being on the sidelines, 175 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: even when he was injured, he was still jumping up 176 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: and down and sharing like a you know, like like 177 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: a high school kid, you know, for his teammates. So, 178 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it didn't look it what it didn't 179 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: look good on TV, uh, you know when when he 180 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: and coach Applewhite had that little dust up. But understand 181 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: what it comes from, and that is it comes from 182 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: a love of the game, a love of his teammates, 183 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: and and he's he's one of those fiery guys. I mean, 184 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: he's uh, he doesn't like to lose ted. They've got 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: two other players that potentially could make their way to 186 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. Isaiah Johnson, the cornerback transition from wide receiver 187 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: to corner certainly has the appealing size at six too. 188 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: What have you seen out of Isaiah Johnson as he's 189 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: actually made the move, which is not always easy, from 190 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: the offensive to the defensive side of the ball. Well, 191 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: Isaiah is a great guy as well. Uh, just a 192 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: real team guy. Uh listen, think about it. A guy 193 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: that has played receiver for three years the coach asks him, 194 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: hey man, we want you to switch sides of the ball. 195 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: To me, number one, that shows he's incredibly unselfish. He's 196 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: willing to do whatever it takes to help the team 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: be successful. He's a great wide receiver, don't get me wrong, 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: but he's an I think an even better cornerback. The 199 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: big number. To me, he had fifty solo tackles at cornerback. Fifty. 200 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: So like when you're talking about those screens that everybody's 201 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: running today where they take the quick shotguns slip screened 202 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: out to the side, you can count on Isaiah Johnson 203 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: to make the tackle without without any help. So to me, 204 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that shows you a lot that a receiver, a former 205 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: guy that's used to catching the ball and avoiding his 206 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: He's not afraid to stick his head in there. You know, 207 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: it's funny you look at Isaiah Johnson's measurable at the 208 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: combine ted and boy, he has every single box check 209 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: that if you want, if you're NFL looking for a 210 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: cornerback to play, man plays on whatever you want to do. 211 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: I watch him on tape and here's the thing. You 212 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: can tell that he just started playing cornerback right because 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: his techniques all over the place. He loses his balance 214 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and out of break sometimes, but that's to be expected. 215 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: What's his ceiling if he gets if a really good 216 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: defensive back coach in the NFL gets his hands on him, 217 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: How good can this kid be? Well, you nailed it 218 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: right there. I mean he was very rough around the 219 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: edges this past season. He uh you know, was was 220 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: just playing with pure athleticism. So you know, I think 221 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: I think you put him in a system where you've 222 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: got some great coaches that can you know, they can 223 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: really train and keeach this guy. Uh, you know, the 224 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: sky's the women, he's got the intangibles, he's got the hip, 225 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: you've got a long armspan, long wingspan, and the speed. 226 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: You know you can't you can't coach speed. So all 227 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: of those things present very well. I think, you know, 228 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: again it comes down to a team that's willing to 229 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: invest in in the young man and and and you know, 230 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: really mentor him. I think that, you know, if you 231 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: think about, you know, in the past, some other great 232 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: defensive backs who've helped mentor guys I think of, you know, 233 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: I think of some of the guys that are you know, 234 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: that are in the league today that that might might 235 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: help a guy like this. But you know, ultimately, you've 236 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: got a coaching and and it comes down to having 237 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: a good coaching staff to make it happen. Talking with 238 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: Ted Party used to Cougar's football radio analyst, and the 239 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: other player that we wanted to cover before obviously we 240 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: wrap up here is the linebacker a Meckey a Bouley, 241 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: who certainly has Yes. Thank you for hopefully I getting 242 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: the pronunciation right there, Ted, Okay, I'm glad that it 243 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: rolled off the tongue correctly. But you know, he's another player, Ted, 244 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: when you look at his statistics, and stats don't necessarily 245 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: tell those stories very active forced fumbles, fumbles recoveries, projected 246 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker and not necessarily expected to go 247 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: very early in the draft, but sometimes those guys hold 248 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: value within X level. So you know, what's the upside 249 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: with him? And do you see him as an outside 250 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: linebacker in the National Football League? I do. If you're 251 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: familiar with a guy named Tias Bowser who plays for 252 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: the Ravens, very similar bill, very similar type of guy, 253 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: and a you know Taias also played at Houston. Uh. 254 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: These are guys that are they they're built like basketball players, right, 255 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: So these are guys that are multiple in high school 256 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: with multiple sports athletes. But when you put him out 257 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: on the football field, he's one of those guys that 258 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: that I think Houston under utilized. I felt like with 259 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: the with the change in defense, and really you know, 260 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: they committed to that that odd front. They put a 261 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: mec a sort of out there as a as an 262 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: outside backer, and they put him into coverage a lot. 263 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: So you know, he's the kind of guy that I 264 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: think you can get after the quarterback with. I think 265 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: he's going to present problem at the line of scrimmage 266 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: just based on its side. Uh. And also again if 267 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: he goes to a four three style defense, I see 268 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: him playing that weak side linebacker where you know, where 269 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: he can have a little bit of freedom and and 270 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: really in a base defense, I think a guy like 271 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: this could rack up massive tackles just through his athletic ability. Ted, 272 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: excellent information. We really appreciate it. Best of luck this offseason, 273 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: we'll spring football. We'll talk to again around this time 274 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: next year. Thanks a lot, all right, sons, Ted Party 275 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Houston analyst on the radio for the University of Houston, 276 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: does an excellent job former player as well. We thank 277 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: you for joining us again. We should. We hope Michigan 278 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: people have been elusive this year. Have Sam Webb, host 279 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: of the Michigan Insiderer from w t K, joining us 280 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: at twelve thirty. We'll keep our fingers crossing that in 281 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: about ten minutes between then and now, let's take your 282 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: calls at to A one five, one three. It's all 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: brought to you by corps Light. Download the cores Light 284 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Awards apt to an amazing Giants Prizes. Let's go to 285 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: Dennis and Buffalo Dave online for Hey Dennis, Hello, Hello, yeahs. Yes, Well, 286 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: we still try to sign free agents, I mean, but rosters. Well, Dennis, 287 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll have anybody signed before we get 288 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: to the draft because I think at this point now 289 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: you kind of have what you have and you have 290 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: your holes filled and you're gonna add to your roster 291 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: through the draft. Um, there's no guarantee. Then take twelve picks. 292 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they trade down, they acquire picks next year, maybe 293 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: the package picks to trade up. So if I had 294 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: to guess, the Giants will not make each one of 295 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: their twelve selections where they are right now. There will 296 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: be some type of movement on draft Day, whether it's 297 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: getting picks last year, moving up and getting fewer picks 298 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: this year, but putting them in better position. That's what 299 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: I think is going to happen. But Wolf to wait 300 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: and see. But no, I wouldn't expect Frayne see moves 301 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: before the draft. After the draft and you see, oh man, 302 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: we still got some holes in a B and C 303 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: or day, then yeah, maybe you're bringing a couple of 304 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: other guys. Yeah, they'll likely go after some undrafted free agents, 305 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: players that were not selected. Remember this is the time 306 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: of the year where you have a night DMan roster, Dennis, 307 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: you're not talking about just a fifty three man rosters. 308 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: So even if you did select twelve, which I think 309 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: would be so prizing, But let's say that happens, I 310 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: still think they're gonna have the flexibility to add a 311 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: few more faces. That's what I was wondering about it. 312 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds a lot of players with twelve 313 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: draft picks, we're really going to have a full roster. Well, 314 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: keep in mind, Dennis, if they take twelve players, that 315 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: means they have confidence that those players are gonna be 316 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: able to come in and compete. So if it's that 317 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: versus some undrafted players that weren't selected, you figure that 318 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: the guys that were selected have a little bit more upside. 319 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: So I don't think you're ultimately sacrificing bodies, I guess 320 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: if I'm interpreting your commentary correctly, I don't think that's 321 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: necessarily going to put them in a precarious spot if 322 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: they take advantage of all twelve picks. Yeah, that's about it. 323 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I was. I wanted to hear that they if they can, 324 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to see the twelve picks and show us 325 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: what our scouting department is doing and how improved they 326 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: are over the last four years. Maybe, Dennis. Yeah, absolutely 327 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: appreciate the call, buddy. Just keep in mind, too, four 328 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: the Giants picks are one seventy one or later, so 329 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: even that pick at the end of the fifth round. No, 330 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: people say all fifth round picks always make the roster. Well, 331 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: it's the very end of the fifth round. Okay, it's 332 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: a very end. So there's no guarantee that player, your 333 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: sixth round pick or your two seventh round picks around 334 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: the roster. Those could be practice squad guys. Remember every 335 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: also in the practice squad for two years us a 336 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: fifth round pick, right, remember correctly. So there's no guarantee 337 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: that those last four guys are gonna, you know, make 338 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: the roster. Look, there's no guarantee anybody's gonna make the roster. 339 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: There's no guarantees in life. But you got those early fives, 340 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: you got the bunch of you know, you got the 341 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: two picks in the fourth. Those guys are more than 342 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: likely gonna be on this team. And again we'll see 343 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: if they actually make all the picks too. So yeah, 344 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: they could very well package a few of them to 345 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: move up, move for the future. That wouldn't surprise me 346 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: at all. But when you have a nine DMan roster, 347 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be losing sleepover not having wiggle room to 348 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: make some transactions. They're gonna have the ability to do that. 349 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Remember John. Over the last few training camps they brought 350 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: in sometimes some veteran free agents that are still out 351 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: there right before camp. Absolutely, so you know that could 352 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: very well happen to who's the safety they brought in 353 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: last year right before William Gay, right, they brought him 354 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: in right before and that's probably good safety. Yeah. I 355 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: think William was actually here in the spring lit William 356 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: Gane never made the team, but he came in. You're right, 357 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: he did come in late for a workout, right. I 358 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: thought that would be another example. All right, Charlie, what 359 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: do you got today, buddy? Hopefully it's nothing that's too 360 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: off the wall? When is it not off the wall? Hello? 361 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey, I was always getting nauseous listening to 362 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: that loop over and over again. But that's all right. Hey, 363 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: well Charlie, Charlie, now you know how we feel when 364 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: you call that was that was to give the listeners 365 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: an indication of what it's like to be on the 366 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: opposite side of the cover, So now you can experience that. Congratulations, 367 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: it's rough, right, See, everything is pre planned on this show. 368 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: That was not a mistake. That was done for I 369 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: noticed that, Hey, there is another there is another beaty 370 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: thank you lance for Oh You're more than welcome. And 371 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: he coincidentally plays for Michigan, so there will be a 372 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: question about him, don't you are? That's great? See if 373 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: he's related to Mr Wilbet, he might be. You never 374 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: know if for some reason, which probably won't happen at 375 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: number six, if Williams is there and Oliver is there, 376 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: which one would you take in? Why? Well? I think 377 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: it's honestly, I think it's impossible that both guys are 378 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: there because I think if Williams is there, it's because 379 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: Oliver went ahead of him. Um. I I can't imagine 380 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: both guys are gonna be there because I think both 381 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: guys are probably top six or seven picks or at 382 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: top eight picks in this draft. But in your hypothetical situation, 383 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: I like Quentin Williams better. I think he's less of 384 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: a projection, I think, and Oliver is more of a projection. Uh, 385 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: you know you're playing the pound defensive tackle. I think 386 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: there's some risk there. Even with Aaron Donald's success, I 387 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: don't think he's near the accomplished and in terms of 388 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: technique proficient pass rusher that Aaron Donalad was coming out 389 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: of school. I think he's got an unbelievable first step. 390 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: I like l of Oliver. I'd be okay with him 391 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: at number six, but I would take quint and Williams 392 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: because just on tape, I think he's done a lot 393 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: more productions, a lot better for a big program. I 394 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: think he's a little bit more versatile in terms of 395 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: playing either the nose or the three technique, and I 396 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: think he's just as good as a player. So I 397 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: would go with quint and Williams. I think he's a 398 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: little bit of a safer pick. But would it shock 399 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: me if in five years at Oliver is maybe a 400 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: little bit of a better player. It wouldn't. But I 401 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: think Quinn and Williams is the safer bat. Yeah. I 402 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: think you know, competition here is to me, what is 403 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the deciding factor. I like both of them, and I'd 404 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: be content if you know any of them going the 405 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: top five to any respective team. I think they're getting 406 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: quality production. But you know, quint and Williams is a 407 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: guy that has done it over and over again and 408 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: one of the best conferences in college football. I think 409 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: he does have the versatility. I also think Oliver has 410 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: the versatility to move inside and outside too. That's why 411 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: I'm high on both of them. But I meant in 412 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: terms of playing no stackle, but I am gonna play 413 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: the nose. I think at to seventy five in the NFL, 414 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: you can't put that all of our no stackle. He 415 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: just well, and here's the other thing. He's already been 416 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: double team the triple team throughout the of his career. 417 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to put him in another position? Can? 418 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: I'll take on more big body, so it would make 419 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: sense to move him around. But Williams, if you're looking 420 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: for all the check marks, Williams, to me gets it 421 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: a little bit more so than Oliver at this point. Yeah, 422 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: that's that's who I would take too. And I saw 423 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: a couple of mocks where he actually is there at 424 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: number six. I just don't believe he will be. Probably, 425 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: I think of all of those top guys, and I'll 426 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: include Murray and then mix of Murray, Williams, Bosa and Allen, 427 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I think Williams has the is the only one with 428 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: a shot of falling to six of that group. Yeah, 429 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: I hope so, because because I say what, I can't 430 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: imagine Allan's getting past the Jets because they need an 431 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: edge rusher and I can't imagine they're gonna let him 432 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: go unless they trade down that that that's the only way. Yeah, 433 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: somebody in the mock draft had the Raiders taken Gary, 434 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: which I just don't see at all. It's the Raider 435 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: and that's how he That's how Williams dropped down to 436 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: US at six, and Charlie, you know what's something and 437 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: crazy like that happens every year. We sat here analyzing 438 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: the top four and last year's draft at nauseam. Did 439 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: once did we say that Denzel Ward was gonna go 440 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: ahead of Chubb? And what Nelson? Did we say that once? Never? 441 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: So you just don't know what you know what the 442 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Leonar Williams is gonna drop to the Jet three years ago? 443 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: That happened to you can't figure it's the draft. Well, 444 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: and with Ward, it was more of the Browns rationale 445 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: that they desperately needed a corner and you know what, 446 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: kudos to them. We're at a very productive rookie year player. 447 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say that they made a 448 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: bad mistake. But you know, when you're thinking more about 449 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: best player, best value, you weren't necessarily thinking about Denzel 450 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: Ward in that conversation, and Cleveland was weighing a little 451 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: bit more need and it worked out. But to your point, Charlie, 452 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: I've got four mock drafts in front of me from 453 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: various people that work for NFL dot com, and they 454 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: have some of them have ed Oliver. That's why I 455 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: asked ted this going in the teens. I mean, one 456 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: guy's got twelve. I agree thirteen. So that's why I mean, 457 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: who knows how some of these things are gonna play out? 458 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: And then they have two people taking Williams in the 459 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: top five, they have Rashaan Gary to your point, going 460 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: to the top five, all of these players are all 461 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: across the board because this is how they view the player. 462 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily how the teams view the player. That's 463 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: what makes it a guessing game. Well, you know, I'm 464 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna be checking with my wegi board soon and I'll 465 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: let you know who the giants are gonna pick before 466 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: so forward to that. Thank you, Charlie, appreciate the call, Buddy. 467 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I would suggest before you consult that I would consult 468 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: your psychologist to that psychologist needs to be consulted for 469 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: taking him on. But anyway, I'm sure Charlie pays him 470 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: in the ANKA. It's very generous with it. Let's go 471 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: to Paray in Pennsylvania. Pirae. What's up man? Yeah, how 472 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: you guys going? Thanks for taking my call. I'm a 473 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: long time giant thing coming out of Philosephia. Is it? 474 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: Is it Pira or Parae? I got you? I had 475 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: a p here on my board. It's too right, all right, 476 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: no promtay, what's up? Yeah? My call is well, the 477 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: last caller, he's basically summed it up for him. I 478 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: was calling about Ed Oliver and how he would fit 479 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: to the James Brencher's scheme. I kind of like him. 480 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: I think he has a high mortar. However, really as 481 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: was somebody to come off the Eds, and he was 482 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: like a more of an inside guy. Yep. So what 483 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: I would like for the Giant to do. I would 484 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: like for them to take my tad tweat at six 485 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: and if Brian Burns is at seventeen at, I don't 486 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: think he's gonna make it, dude, toy, I don't think 487 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: Brian Burns is making at the seventeen man. I think 488 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: you got a shot at Cleveland. Ferroll and I don't 489 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: even think that's a guarantee. I did a medium my 490 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: draft where they kind of go to each guy right, 491 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: and they have each media member pick a guy, and 492 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: I selected, and I selected Haskins at sex because at 493 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: this point I'm still not sure why I wanted to do, 494 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: so I just said the heck with itout, pick Haskins, 495 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: and I said, all right, at seventeen, I feel good 496 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: about one of these past rushers being there. Well, let 497 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: me tell you. Burns was gone, Oliver was gone, Gary 498 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: was gone, Farrell was gone, Uh, Sweat was gone, and 499 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: there was nobody left. And I was left with no 500 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: edge rushers. So that that scared the hell out of me. 501 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: And frankly, I looked at the draft board and made sense. 502 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: It's not like anybody reached for a player. So I 503 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: am now terrified of not taking at Tressure at six 504 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: because I don't know if one's gonna be there at seventeen. Yeah, yeah, 505 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of It's kind of crazy because we were 506 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: sitting there, but I just hope that, you know, we 507 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: come out good and with somebody. We need two guys 508 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: that can come in and FuG and play right immediately. 509 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: We need immediately canpack on that defense. As far as 510 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback goes um, I'm not too big on a 511 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: quarterback this year. I still think Eli can get it 512 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: done for We just need that defense fix. Man. As 513 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: long as you get that defense fixed, I think we'd 514 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: be okay. Go Giants. Thanks for taking than you appreciate 515 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: the call. Let's get to our guests. He's Sam Webb. 516 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: He's the host of the Michigan Inside or on w 517 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: t K A we thank you for joining us today. 518 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Sammy got Johnshamalcanice and Lance Meadow in East Wetherfood, New 519 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: Jersey at the Giants practice city. He's good to talk 520 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: to you. How are you today, Hey man, I'm doing great. 521 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: I'm glad to talk to you guys. And you know, 522 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: we'll see if you cannot land a few more Rul maines. 523 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: I know you just got your real peppers over there. Yeah, 524 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: we did, and I got to I was really impressed 525 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: from from watching the progress he made from being a 526 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: virtual linebacker in Michigan to playing a lot of different 527 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: safety roles last year in Cleveland. I thought he played great. Uh, 528 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: let's start with the Shawn Garry and I'll keep the 529 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: first simple really really really really simple. Since he's been 530 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: here in New Jersey, he's been probably the best athlete 531 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: on the field whenever he's played football. But we haven't 532 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: seen the production. Why wow, I mean, Rashan is one 533 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: of the Like you said, he's one of the best 534 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: athletes I I've covered. I've known Ashon since he was 535 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school. Uh. He is a physical freak. Yeah, 536 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: I think that. You know, I'm watching him in high 537 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: school at Parameters. I thought he was a really really 538 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: productive guy. I thought he lived up to the building. 539 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think early in his rears some people 540 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: thought he would be an interior linement. I think he 541 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: showed he could play on the outside. At Michigan. You know, 542 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: he came in. Now, you gotta understand, he came into 543 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: a defensive line that had town had NFL guys on it. Mean, 544 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Taco Trumpton was on that defensive line. Who was the 545 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: first round draft pick, Chris Wormley was on that defensive 546 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: live he played for the Raisins. Now, so there were 547 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: guys they're already uh, and he had to work his 548 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: way in. So he did. As a sophomore. You saw 549 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: flast years he played that Ohio State game at a 550 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: very high level his his sophomore year. But what what 551 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: people didn't know is, you know, he played through an 552 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: injury h much of that year. And then the other 553 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: thing is he was also playing in in position that 554 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: didn't ask him to get upfield all the time. He 555 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't the open side end, he wasn't always 556 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't always up in your ears back. That wasn't 557 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: part of what they wanted him to do all the time. 558 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: So there was some limitation en rolls between injury obviously 559 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: in his junior season, and limitation and role. I think 560 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: those were a couple of contribute factors to what people 561 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: on the outside would probably say, Hey, it didn't live 562 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: up to the number one overall draft, number one overall 563 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: player in the country. But I think NFL scouts will say, hey, 564 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: we see the bottomless potential. We think we'll be able 565 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: to unlock it if he touch to our team. Well, Sam, 566 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a fair point about the scheme, maybe 567 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: not playing up to his talents. But the one thing 568 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: when people analyze Rashan Gary's plays, they say, well, he's 569 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: a bull rusher and he relies more on his power 570 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: to run over people as opposed to that typical athletic 571 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: edge rusher. What's your response to that if that is 572 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: criticism at all? Uh, Well, you know he is, he's 573 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: a speed rusher. I think his speed, the power is 574 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: is a big part of his deal. Is he Is 575 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: he the biggest technician in the world. Probably not. I 576 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: mean that that's probably an aspect of his game that 577 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the NFL team could unlock and and and you know, 578 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: expand his past rush arsenal. But is he just purely 579 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: come off the ball and run right into a guy 580 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: and trying to pull him into the quarterback? Now? I mean, 581 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: Rashan Gary is an exceptionally quick guy off the ball. 582 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: I think he showed he could show you that with 583 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: his his quickness and speed stats at the combine. But 584 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: the Patris Arnston knowing that hand that that hand fighting 585 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: that defensive lineman have to be able to do. That 586 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: is a part of his game that you could say 587 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: could be refined. And that's not something that I think 588 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: we'll be a limiting factory. I mean, you can learn that. 589 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: The NFL coaches could teach that, and so I expect 590 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: that to be a part of his game. That's enhanced 591 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: at the next one said, last one on Gary real quick. 592 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Looking at his body type and how he moves. He 593 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: screams to me, dominant three technique at the NFL. I've 594 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: heard and I've read that he's really against playing into 595 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: your offensive line defensive line. Is that true? Do you 596 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: think he'd be open to maybe pushing inside on third downs? 597 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: How did that whole thing play out with his Yeah? Yeah, 598 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: so you know a couple of things. Again at Michigan, 599 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: it never really was It never really was on the table, uh, 600 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: at Michigan because again, when he got here, you had 601 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: guys on the interior. You had a guy like Ryan 602 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Glasgow in there, who's an NFL guy. You had h 603 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: You also had Mohurst, who was an All American at 604 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Michigan on the on the inside. So it wasn't something 605 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: that was really on the table as much. And by 606 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: the time you get to your junior and his junior 607 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: here where maybe you would consider it, I mean you 608 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: you you already had him established as as the edge 609 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: guys guy on the outside, yes, and guys coming up 610 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: on the inside. So it just never really materialized. Is 611 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: it something that from high school? He said, he didn't 612 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: want to do. Yes, I mean that he made it 613 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: clear that he's in my my take on this, it's 614 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: once you get to the NFL and they start paying 615 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: you to do a job, to do the job they 616 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: pay you to do. So it's it's if he wanted 617 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: to pay you to play on the inside. Uh, he 618 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: might not want to do it, but if that's the quick, 619 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: this way to get on the field, if that's the 620 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: best route to effectiveness, Uh, you know, I can't I 621 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: can't see him throwing his you know, throwing his hands 622 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: and was about to say I don't want to play, 623 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: especially when he's getting the check. So defensive end by choice, 624 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: that's where he wants to start out. I think that's 625 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: where NFL teams Maybe we'll see what he can do 626 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: there first, But if they determined that he can help 627 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the team more on the inside, you gonna shout the 628 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: team guy, you know, if that's what the team needs 629 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: for him to do. I think that that's what he 630 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: would do. But at the same time, what does he 631 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: want to do. I think he wants to be a 632 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: defensive vent. I've heard some people say that they question 633 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: his motor. Do you buy that or is that something 634 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: that's been overblown from people on the outside. No, I don't. 635 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't question this. I don't question this motor. I 636 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: don't question his effort. I mean, if you again, you know, 637 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: being around watching him play through that that shoulder injury 638 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: that he had, that he saw it in me in 639 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: anquestern game. That guy kept trying to go back out there. Uh, 640 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: so he he's got a guy that's gonna take place. 641 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm not you know, Michigan, it was a deeper gone. 642 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: They rotated very liberally. Uh during his first couple of 643 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: during this first couple of years. So you if you 644 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: got tired, if you were loafing, you came off the 645 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: tee and play at Michigan. So I just I just 646 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: don't buy that again. I think it gets back to 647 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: what you said before. Is there is there in aspect 648 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: of his game that he can improve from the technique 649 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: standpoint as far as hand fighting, it's concerned, sure, but speed, quickness, 650 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: and effort are things I don't question any shot. Here 651 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: we're talking with Sam Webb, hosts of The Michigan Insider 652 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: on w q W t K A excuse me and Sam, 653 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: I want to jump to the next position. Devin Bush 654 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: linebacker who certainly received his fair care of accolades during 655 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: the course of his tenure at Michigan. But the one 656 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: thing that continue comes up when it's evaluating Bushes, his 657 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: size and how people are skeptical. Well, at five eleven, 658 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: can he truly transition to in every down linebacker at 659 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: the next level? What do you say to that? Well, 660 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: first of all, Devon which was the best player on 661 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: Michigan team last year, he won't be draft is the 662 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: highest of he He was the best guy. He heart 663 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: and soul, a sideline and sideline guy, super physical, can 664 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: can play in coverage. Uh, you know he he didn't 665 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: come to Michigan as a as a four or four guy, 666 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: but you see how hard he worked and he's a 667 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: legit four, four or forty guys. The combine will show. Uh, 668 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's I think it's about the 669 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: scheme you put him in, how you use him. He is. 670 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: He's a devastating blitzer. Uh. He is a guy that 671 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: will will play through you know, play through contact, you know, 672 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: so he can get off blocks. He can he can 673 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: explode through ball carriers. But you don't want you don't 674 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: want to make a habit of having him have to 675 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: playoff you know, guards and centers have to fight off blocks. 676 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: You want to keep him clean. I mean this was 677 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: if you guys still have Snacks Harris in there, this 678 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: would be a match made in heaven. I mean it's 679 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: that that's the ideal set up, that you have a 680 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: guy in the middle of a defense that can keep 681 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: him clean and allow him to do what he does. 682 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: That uh, that doesn't mean that he can't be a 683 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: guy that that you know, takes on takes on lineman 684 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: and and and leave blockers all the time. He can't 685 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: do that. But you want him, you know, excelling. You 686 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: want him to be at the height of his game. 687 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: You know, give him, put him in the scheme that 688 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: keeps him clean, allows him to play downhill, and he 689 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: will be a devastating player. He can get in the 690 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: back Deeald, he reachs havoc. A lot of guys you 691 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: send on blitzes, other guy you know that the rare guys, 692 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: the special guys get there on blitzes. He can get there. 693 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: And again, like I said, he can play in coverage. 694 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: He can be in every guy, every down guy. But 695 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: he can be the better every down guy. If you 696 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: put him in a defense in the scheme that's gonna 697 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: keep him clean. I think that's the key with Devin 698 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: Books No, and I think that's a really good point 699 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: in terms of the last thing you want to do 700 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: is get him tied up at the line of scrimmage, 701 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: because maybe at five eleven, it's hard for him obviously 702 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: to shed those blockers on the line of scrimmage, whereas 703 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: if he had the big defensive front, which is what 704 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: the Giants are trying to rebuild, given the fact that 705 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: they've parted ways with a number of those guys, including 706 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: Snacks over the last few years. You brought up his 707 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: coverage skill set. How much did Michigan Sam during the 708 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: course of his career asked him to defend the tight 709 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: ends sometimes maybe get one on one with a wide 710 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: receiver out of the slot. How often did that come 711 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: up during the course of the scheme? You know, you know, rarely, 712 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: rarely with with slot guys that that wasn't really something 713 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: to asked him to do a lot of backs and 714 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: tight ends more as his more as his career went on, 715 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: certainly more in his in his final season at Michigan. Uh, 716 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: you you felt him more in coverage. They asked him 717 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: to do more on coverage. I felt like the beginning 718 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: of his career it was all downhill. It was you know, 719 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: getting back field, get after quarterback. You are a blitzer, 720 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: you are a run stuffer. But you you saw the 721 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: diversity of of his game visibility last year he's you know, 722 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: he Michigan didn't play a lot of zone. Uh, So 723 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: there's gonna be some probably some question marks about how 724 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: a depth he is that it drops and and and 725 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: and and kind of feeling out routes while in coverage 726 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: of a man the man. He is a guy that 727 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: is going to be able to stick with backs, You'll 728 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: be able to stick with tight ends. Uh. He plays 729 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: the ball in the air well, whether that's making the 730 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: play on the ball or playing through the man while 731 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: the ball is in the air. So he has he 732 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: has good cover skills for a linebacker in man and 733 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: man scenarios. So you know, in the NFL, you've gotta 734 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: be a depth in zone also, And that's gonna be 735 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: again a question right because Michigan just didn't do a 736 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: lot of it. I mean, I think teams are gonna 737 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: say that about anyone, you know, linebackers and defensive backs 738 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: for Michigan defensively because they were a heavy man the 739 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: man team, and so zone concepts are gonna be something 740 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: that they're gonna probably have to coach. You know, the 741 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: Michigan senders up on a little bit as they get 742 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: into post games. Well, speaking a man to man coverage, 743 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: David Long certainly comes to mind arguably one of the 744 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: best press corners you're talking about in college football. I mean, 745 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: if there's anybody that gets up in your grill, I 746 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: think it's very fitting to bring up his name. But 747 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: what do perhaps people not see when they focus so 748 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: much on his press coverage ability. When it comes to 749 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: David Long, how smart he is, how much of a 750 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: student of the game he is, how much potential is 751 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: less untapped for him. You can say that about about 752 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: every guy that comes in the NFL, right, that he 753 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: has another level he can get to. But but some 754 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: guys I feel that way more than others, and he's 755 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: one of them because he really wasn't a defensive back 756 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: until late in his high school career. He thought he 757 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: was gonna be an offensive guy. And so you know, 758 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: last couple of years, last a year and a half 759 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: or so, was where his his mindset shifted to the 760 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: defense and and really is still in the in the 761 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: early stages of his development as a corner. And to 762 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: see him come up and be as to be as 763 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: effective as he was as a press corner last year 764 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: and you know, really the last couple of years in Michigan, 765 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: I think shows you what a high football i Q 766 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: he has. And then you saw he can run. He 767 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: can run, He'll get physical with you. He got scared 768 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: uh in there. You mean you worry about those those 769 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: offensive guys when they come to defense, when they stick 770 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: their nose, pick their noses in there. He'll do that. 771 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: And then at the same time, like I said, really 772 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: really good man, the man cover skilled. The question that 773 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna have about any Michigan defender in the back 774 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: seven again zone you know, how are they in their 775 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: zone coverages? Uh? You know, I feel like he's so 776 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: smart that the learning curve is gonna be pretty you know, 777 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: won't be speak for him. He'll pick it up pretty quickly. 778 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: Michigan primarily when they went zone the cover two was 779 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: a cover two uh teams, so he'll have that in 780 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: his hip pocket. But you draft David Long, you're getting 781 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: a guy who is very comfortable with man the man settings, 782 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: and then at the same time while you have to 783 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: coach him up on zone. This is one of the 784 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: smartest football players is gonna be on your team. We're 785 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: talking with Sam Web hosted The Michigan Inside or on 786 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: w t k A. And you know the other thing 787 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: that jumps out to me Sam about Long's numbers is, 788 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, normally when you think about a shutdown corner 789 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: a guy that's really good at press, teams just completely 790 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: avoid them at college and they don't even throw in 791 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: their direction. But he's got the stats, the pass breakups, 792 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the deflections that show teams didn't shy a from him, 793 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: yet he still made the plays. And I think that 794 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: is an old likelihood gonna bote very well for him 795 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: when NFL teams evaluate him. There, Yeah, no doubt. I 796 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: mean it's because Michigan has another guy who'll be playing 797 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL next year of the Work Hills on 798 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: the other side. So if you're picking your poison, both 799 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: that those guys are pretty good and press covers one 800 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: of the best tandems in the in the country, with 801 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: teams often resorted to is to try and attack Michigan 802 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: safeties in a man and man cover situation. But you're 803 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: right to your point, say he saw a lot of action. 804 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: You couldn't shy away from him because you go to 805 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: the other side you're dealing with much the same thing. 806 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: So it allowed him to really hone his skill set. 807 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: And that's really gonna lend itself. I think to him 808 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: being able to play early, be able to contribute early, 809 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: if not as a guy starting on the outside, he 810 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: was a nickel guy at times. He has experienced playing 811 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: on the inside, so you want him to be a 812 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: nickel cover of slot. I think David Long will be 813 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,479 Speaker 1: able to come in and do that as well. Last 814 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: player on the defensive side of the ball Chase Winovitch. 815 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: As we returned back to the defensive line. And while 816 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: maybe the athleticism may not be through the roof, I 817 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: think the motors there and the relentless nature to constantly 818 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: get after the quarterback, is that what truly separates him 819 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: from the rest of the pack or is there more 820 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: to it When it comes to Chase Winovit you know, Chase, 821 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: you know so Chase would say if he took that question, 822 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: he would say, don't describe me as the try hard 823 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: white guy. That's great, But I'm not. I'm not I'm 824 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: not a try hard white guy. I'm I'm a really 825 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: good athlete. And he he showed I thought at the 826 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: combine he could run. Uh, he was a linebacker in 827 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: in high school. I remember watching him in high school 828 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: watch him chase down a running back room twenty yards behind. 829 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: So he could always run. But he was light, you know, 830 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: he was a two pound guy coming in played basketball 831 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: as well, so he wasn't able to keep weight on 832 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: as a you know, as a football player. He comes 833 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: to Michigan, he starts out at linebacker, he goes over 834 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: at the tight end. He's playing some h back, comes 835 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: back over to the defense his last couple of years. 836 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: And and so really this is another guy just started 837 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: playing with his hand in the dirt the last couple 838 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: of years. So this is another player who is scratching 839 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: the surface of what he could be as far as 840 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: his potential is concerned. But the you know, the foundation 841 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: for a guy that can be a you know, a 842 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: real menacing pass rusher is there? Uh? You know you 843 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: I think NFL teams would say, is he a guy 844 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: that if you put him as a as a four 845 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: or three defensive end and he put on the weight 846 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: necessary to stay there and play every down, or as 847 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: the three or four outside linebacker, whatever the case. I mean, 848 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: he's shown the ability. He's up to two five pounds now, 849 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: still running real fast. He has good technique, he plays 850 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: with his hands, he can bend the edge the thing, 851 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: and he plays with an unbelievable motor. The question with 852 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: him is gonna be at the next level is how 853 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: are you going to use them? You want him to 854 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: be in every down defensive end. If you do that, 855 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: how much weight are you gonna add? Does he maintained 856 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: the same speed and equipments. I would bet on him 857 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: if I were a team. Uh. At three or four 858 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: outside linebacker camp, he plays standing up, you know. Is 859 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: he a guy that if you if you dropped him 860 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: in coverage, is he gonna be able to to to 861 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: cover you know, backs and tight ends out of the backfield. Uh? 862 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: It is question mark because he hasn't really done that 863 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: at time, But he does have linebacking in his in 864 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: his background, so there's reason to believe that he would 865 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: be comfortable doing it. So there's some question marks there 866 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: as far as size. In four three drops in three four. 867 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: But you have another smart guy, another guy that plays 868 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: with bombless energy and effort, and again he can come 869 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: up there there's nothing else. He will be able to 870 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: come off the edge and give you some some pass 871 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: rush in the obvious pass rus situation. Trump to the 872 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, and three players. But the 873 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: two that I want to focus on is Karen HeiG 874 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: Did at a running back position and then Zach Gentry 875 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: at the tight end position. And tight end position I 876 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: think has some depth in this year's draft. A lot 877 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: of these guys tend to be overlooked. But what stays 878 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,959 Speaker 1: out to you about those two in particular and where 879 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: you see them making the biggest impact perhaps on the 880 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: NFL level. You know, Karen a determined runner, runs a 881 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: really good vision and and first contact doesn't bring him down. 882 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,959 Speaker 1: Uh hell, he can even make the first guy miss 883 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: or or run through arm tackles. I think that's the 884 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 1: thing to me that sticks out to most for for him, 885 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: he gets yards after first It could after first interaction, 886 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: that could be contact, that could be a guy seeing 887 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: him in space. So you gotta love that about him 888 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: and really, uh really show him brightly this this past 889 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: year where he made you know, he made some big 890 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: place for forty yard place from from scrimmage, you know, 891 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: on four or five guys. So not a burner, but 892 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: a guy that if he gets increased, he's gonna he's 893 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: gonna go a long way, you know that, gentry. The 894 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: thing that stands out about him is his height. I mean, 895 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: he's six eight. You know, he's gonna block out the 896 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: sun and be a huge target at the tight end position. Uh, 897 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, the question will be with him. This is 898 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: another pH Acians which he came into Michigan as a 899 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: quarterback and made the transition to tight end. So you know, 900 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: you you you're still growing him as a receiver. You know, 901 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: consistency with his hands, yeah, you know, and catching in 902 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: football is gonna be a thing. But again, he's he 903 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: comes from an offense that features the tight end and 904 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: asks its tight end. Uh it's tight ends two blocks. 905 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: So that's not gonna be a foreign concept for him. 906 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: But I think he's still in the in the developmental state, 907 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: is compared to some of the other tight ends that 908 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: are in the draft. So, uh, you know, a kind 909 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: of more of a project guy. Uh, you know, a 910 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: guy that down the line you feel like to really 911 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: be something. I think Karen Hidden is a guy that can, 912 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 1: you know, for a team that's looking for a running back, 913 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: maybe a guy that that can come in and be 914 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: part of a one two punch. I think he's and 915 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: he can catch the football out of the backfield Michigan 916 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: and do it a ton. But he showed when they 917 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,479 Speaker 1: did throw it to him he can make a play. 918 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a guy that can 919 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: help the NFL team. Probably is a number two back 920 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: for to begin his career, but down the line, I 921 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised be were able to get in there 922 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: and be a number one guy. I mean he put 923 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: put it this way. You know, it was between Mikey 924 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: Webber from Ohio State and Karen Higgen. Uh you know 925 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: at Michigan. Michigan recruited both of those guys, had commitments 926 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: from both of them at one point, and I think 927 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: they had, you know, pretty comparable ends to their careers. 928 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: I think Mikey is probably a little faster, but again, 929 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: Karen Higden, you are going to bring him down in 930 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: first contact and he has to speed once you get 931 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: a little contact to or once he gets a priest 932 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: there to go a long way. So you gotta like 933 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 1: Karen Higden in this dress. Sam last one on Karen Higden. 934 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: How much potential does he have as a receiver, because 935 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: from what I've seen, he really wasn't asked to do 936 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: much of that at Michigan. No, No, he wasn't. He wasn't. 937 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: But again, when you threw him the football, Uh, you know, 938 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: I like his field on screens. You know, he could 939 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: catch a swing pass. They just didn't throw it to 940 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: him a lot. And he talked to him, He'll just 941 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: he'll tell you that's just a part of his game 942 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: that they didn't utilize a ton. But he feels like 943 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: he is more than a capable of doing it. I 944 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: believe that. I mean I think that. You know, you 945 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: watch him in combine settings. Uh, you see a guy 946 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: with with with good hands, and that's that's part of 947 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: what he's gonna have to prove. And every guy we've 948 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: talked about with Michigan, and I imagine you can say 949 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: this about any guy in the draft, there's gonna be 950 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: a question mark about him. There's gonna be a piece 951 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: of their games that teams are gonna have a you know, 952 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: a red check against and say, we got to see 953 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: if this guy can do this, and for him, is 954 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: gonna be catching the football. He can block, he can't. 955 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: He runs with good vision, he has good first he 956 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 1: runs with good patients. He can he has good speed, 957 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: uh you know, and not great at any one of 958 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: those things, but good at all those things. What you 959 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: don't know whether NFL team can't say is we know 960 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: he's a good pass catcher. He can tell you he is, 961 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: but until he gets within a NFL team and actually 962 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: shows it, it's gonna be a question mark. He is 963 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: Sam Webb, host of the Michigan Insider on w t 964 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: K A Sam, great information. Really appreciate the time in 965 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: the inside. Thanks so much for joining us here on 966 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: the program. Alight, thanks, you got it. That is Sam 967 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: Webb once again breaking down the Michigan class, which certainly 968 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: has some stock and substance, which is no surprise. We've 969 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: seen plenty of other guys produced out of that program 970 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: over the years and our thanks to our guests are 971 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: coming on to break down the Houston and the Michigan class. 972 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: Will have pretty much a few more spots over the 973 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: next two days and then it'll be big picture draft 974 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: analysts to get you set for next week's festivities. With 975 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: the time that we have remaining on the program, will 976 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: reopen up the phone lines if you want to give 977 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: us a ring at two zero one four five one 978 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: three two zero one five one three. Could also chime 979 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: in via Twitter at hashtag Giants Chat. Hard to believe 980 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: that the draft is going to be next week when 981 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: it seems as if the off season just slowly moves along, 982 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: but it has really flown based on some of the 983 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: moves that the Giants have made this offseason, and now 984 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: they can have an opportunity to help round out the 985 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: roster and builds for the future with twelve x two 986 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: in the first round. And you know, the big question 987 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: for the Giants is how do they value these players? 988 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: Not necessarily how the rest of the league values of 989 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: the players. Have the Court of public opinion values the players? 990 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: And you know, this was a conversation that we got 991 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: into a little bit earlier in the program. Do you 992 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: run the risk of not getting one of the top 993 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: pass rushers if you don't go in that direction at 994 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: number six? What's the chances somebody falls to seventeen? And 995 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: that's something that the Giants are gonna have to think 996 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: about assuming they hold on to both first rounders, and 997 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: when they get ready on the clock for their sixth 998 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: overall pick, if Williams, if Oliver, one of those guys 999 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: is there and you pass up on him, certainly you're 1000 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: not gonna get him at seventeen, but you know, well 1001 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: the Burns, will a feral be there at seventeen? I 1002 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: think you know right now that's the big question mark. 1003 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: And what's always going to shake up the draft is 1004 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: which teams that were never anticipated to go after a 1005 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: quarterback just I to go after a quarterback. You have 1006 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: that every single year. You have a team when you 1007 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: evaluate the rostaurant paper and you say to yourself, now, 1008 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: this team seems set. They've got a veteran. I don't 1009 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: think they're thinking about the future right now. And then 1010 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: you get the Kansas City Chiefs who had Alex Smith, 1011 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: were consistently making the playoffs, love Patrick Mahomes moved up 1012 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: to ten. There's going to be a team like that. 1013 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: The million dollar question is who is it and how 1014 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: high do they want to go to perhaps target a 1015 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins, to target a Kyler Murray. If Arizona doesn't 1016 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: take him, or maybe somebody really likes Drew Lock or 1017 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I'd be very surprised if we don't see 1018 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: a team make an aggressive move. And New England is 1019 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: a team to watch out for. Given the fact that 1020 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: now that Jacoby Brissette has been traded, Jimmy Garoppolo has 1021 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: been traded, I don't think it's crazy to think they 1022 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: may want to position themselves to get another young quarterback 1023 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 1: to groom. You know, New Inlet has never shied away 1024 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: from doing that during the course of Tom Brady's career. 1025 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett, you can even go back to it. I'm 1026 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: not saying all these guys panned out. That's not my point. 1027 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: Their point is Tom Brady may play another four to 1028 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: five years. That doesn't mean we're not thinking about what's 1029 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: gonna happen after him. Carolina Panthers, that's another team that 1030 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: I think is worthy of throwing out. Maybe they are 1031 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: aggressive and make a move. Cam has been dealing with 1032 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: a shoulder injury. You've got new ownership who knows, you know, 1033 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: maybe they want to start thinking about the future. These 1034 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: are the types of teams. The Chargers with Philip Rivers, 1035 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: similar to New England, Pittsburgh. Even though Pittsburgh is drafted 1036 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph Joshua Dobbs in each of the last two years, 1037 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: they haven't liked what they've seen. Who knows, you know, 1038 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: maybe they make an extremely aggressive move. Keep in mind, 1039 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger has been toying with the r word retirement 1040 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: every single offseason, So why shouldn't Pittsburgh start to think 1041 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,839 Speaker 1: about protecting itself in case, hey, after this season big 1042 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: and says you know what I'm done. You never know 1043 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 1: when that's gonna happen. So those are the teams to 1044 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: me that are the most fascinating. Everybody focuses on this 1045 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,280 Speaker 1: team needs a quarterback. This team doesn't have an immediate answer, 1046 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: and then you're going to get a team that is 1047 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: fine right now, right now at the quarterback position. That 1048 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're not thinking about two or three 1049 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: years down the road. And if they love a quarterback, 1050 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you make the move? Because remember the ultimate 1051 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: goal in the NFL, and this pertains to the Giants. 1052 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: You always want to be able to build the bridge 1053 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: without interruption. The NBA is probably the best parallel the Spurs. 1054 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get off top of here. But 1055 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: the reason why you san Antonio, think about this? San 1056 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: Antonio went from David Robinson to Tim Duncan to LaMarcus Oldridge. 1057 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: Am I saying they're all the same player? No, But 1058 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: what I mean is a star caliber player that you 1059 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: could build your franchise around. They went through that without 1060 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: any interruption because they were always anticipating. Now I understand 1061 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: san Antonio looked out. They got the first round pick, 1062 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: David Robinson got hurt. Hey, sometimes you need luck to 1063 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 1: maintain continuity at a franchise level. But now let's bring 1064 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: it over to the NFL level. The Packers. They drafted 1065 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Brett was still perfectly fine. I hope the 1066 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: Packers get to the NFC championship game against the Giants 1067 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand seven. Last time I checked him, still 1068 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: playing at a high level. And then our words started 1069 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: toying around, and that's why the drama built up. And 1070 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: they ultimately said, hey, we promised Aaron the job, we 1071 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: want to move in this direction and the rest is history. 1072 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,919 Speaker 1: But without interruption. Aaron Rodgers was groom for two years 1073 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he came in as 1074 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: the starter Drew Brees was in San Diego. They drafted 1075 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers the same year Eli Manning. Philip Rivers two 1076 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: years sits behind Drew Brees. Drew Brees gets the shoulder injury. 1077 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: If you remember, there was speculation that he was gonna 1078 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: sign with the Dolphins. The Saints wound up signing him. 1079 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: Chargers are a bit skeptical, but they good because they 1080 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: wound up acquiring Philip Rivers and the Eli Manning trade, 1081 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: so you went from Drew Brees to Philip Rivers no interruption. 1082 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: Every team wants to find a way to do that, 1083 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: and that's why you have a lot of teams that 1084 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: are not necessarily showcasing a need at the quarterback position, 1085 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,439 Speaker 1: and they jump in and they anticipate what's gonna happen 1086 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: two to three years down the Lord and I don't 1087 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with doing that because remember, and 1088 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,320 Speaker 1: I continue to emphasize this on the program, the Giants 1089 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: are not just drafting for two thousand nineteen. If they 1090 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: get a pass rusher at number six. Overall, the goal 1091 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: is you don't just want somebody to come in. A 1092 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: caller used the term you need two immediate starters, and yes, 1093 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: I understand that's the end all, be all goal, but 1094 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: you also want to make sure that that starter is 1095 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: going to do more than just impact your team in 1096 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, is gonna impact your team in two 1097 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: thousand two one and beyond that to ultimately earn a 1098 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: second contract. So that's why you shouldn't be surprised if 1099 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: a team takes a ter back and that pick may 1100 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: not have any impact until two or three years down 1101 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: the road, because they're not looking at it to get 1102 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: one year of value, They're looking at it from multiple 1103 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,280 Speaker 1: years of value. So that, to me is the wild 1104 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: card that nobody's talking about much, nobody's anticipating that I 1105 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: think could very well shake up the draft. And if 1106 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: a team does make an ultra aggressive move for a 1107 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: quarterback and the Giants are not necessarily fascinated with this 1108 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: quarterback group, overall, it bolds well for the Giants because 1109 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: then somebody is likely going to fall down and perhaps 1110 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,320 Speaker 1: get to the Giants, whether it be at six or seventeen. 1111 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: So that's not necessarily a bad development when you analyze 1112 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: and break down the course of the draft. I want 1113 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: to check social media before we wrap up the program, 1114 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: and certainly appreciate everybody for weighing in through different venues 1115 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: here on the program, your thoughts on the draft and 1116 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: so forth. And I know a lot of people obviously 1117 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: come from different, different opposite ends of the spectrum. When 1118 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: it comes to they should go for a quarterback, they 1119 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: should go for a pass rush, it's fair to say 1120 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: both of those would satisfy needs for the Giants. I 1121 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: don't think that is a stretch because if you go 1122 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: after a quarterback, you're preparing for what happens beyond el Manning. 1123 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: And if you get after a pass rusher, you're certainly 1124 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: preparing for something that's gonna hopefully give James Betcher more 1125 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,760 Speaker 1: tools in the shed to toy with. And that's extremely 1126 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: important as they look to get the defense back to 1127 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the pack, because there's a defense that statistically, 1128 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, struggled in various departments. It doesn't mean that 1129 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: the Giants weren't in games. Okay, that should not be misinterpreted. 1130 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: But we've had these conversations a lot last season. We 1131 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: had in the off season. There were a number of 1132 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: games where the Giants offense got them to lead late 1133 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,040 Speaker 1: defenses on the field, they weren't able to make stops. 1134 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: They don't want to put themselves in that position. And 1135 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,840 Speaker 1: the way that you prevent putting yourself in that position 1136 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: is you've got to preach balance and be out of 1137 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: showcase balance. I use Kansas City as an example. The Chiefs. Yes, 1138 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: they made the NFC Championship game. What acid cost them 1139 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: in the end, it was the defensive side of the 1140 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: ball with respect to not be able to make a 1141 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: stop and Tom Brady driving up and down the field. 1142 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: So that was ultimately the difference maker. And that's why 1143 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: the Giants want to shore up the defensive side. And 1144 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: if they do that through the draft, I think it's 1145 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna put them in a position to make some noise. 1146 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,720 Speaker 1: So that is going to wrap up the latest edition 1147 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live here on Giants dot Com. 1148 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: I want to remind you it is presented by Cores Light. 1149 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: Download the Cores Live Rewards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. 1150 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back up and running tomorrow with 1151 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: the latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. We're gonna 1152 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: preview a few more programs, so stay tuned for that 1153 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: and once we finish all of the programs, Like I said, 1154 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,919 Speaker 1: the latter part of the week. Next week we're gonna 1155 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: do big picture items. We'll have some national draft experts 1156 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,320 Speaker 1: and will do our own mock draft right before the 1157 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,160 Speaker 1: day of the draft, so stay tuned for that. Appreciate 1158 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in. As always, stay locked the Giants 1159 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,040 Speaker 1: dot com for all the latest news and notes. For 1160 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,840 Speaker 1: John schmlku is not longer with me on Lance Meadow. 1161 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 1: There he is, he pops in his head. Enjoy the 1162 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: rest of your Monday and stay locked to Giants dot com. 1163 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm a going