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Speaker 1: I affirm you, I'm willing to kind of share my

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Speaker 1: lot with you. On this episode of the Burgrease Podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're exploring the secret world of white tail hunters. I

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Speaker 1: The answers might surprise you, and if you listen, you

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Speaker 1: just might learn something about the people you think are

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Speaker 1: your friends, but also yourself. You may be more slippery

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Speaker 1: you think. We're going to interrogate two hardened white tail

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Speaker 1: with an anthropologist about deep human psychology and learn how

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Speaker 1: social media has changed how we distribute information. You're not

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Speaker 1: Have you ever showed those pictures to someone that you

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Speaker 1: told him you weren't going to believe it or not? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my name is Clay Nukelem and this is the bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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Speaker 1: for insight and unlikely places and where we'll tell the

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Speaker 1: story of Americans who lived their lives close to the

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Speaker 1: land presented by f HF gear, American made, purpose built

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Speaker 1: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 1: as the places we explore. I have a secret. This

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Speaker 1: secret has plagued me, causing me to consistently lose sleep

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Speaker 1: over the last two years. It's caused irrational excitement but

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Speaker 1: also grievous pain. I have exercised extreme caution in the

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Speaker 1: dissemination of information regarding this secret, and it might surprise

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Speaker 1: you who I've shared the information with and who it's

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Speaker 1: they do, and I'm in search of why. The choices

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Speaker 1: I've made about my secret have been more instinctual than conscious.

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Speaker 1: I've released information with strict stipulations, and every time I've

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Speaker 1: the potential reward of it. I didn't have to share

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Speaker 1: it with anyone, but some madness beyond conscious choice. Drove

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Speaker 1: my wandering lips to mumble. It drove my fingers to

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Speaker 1: type messages that had information that I wanted no one

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Speaker 1: While sitting thirty feet up in a walnut tree on

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Speaker 1: November one one, I had a peculiar revelation. This thing

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Speaker 1: a moment of internal confliction wrought with irony. I recognized

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Speaker 1: that I was being driven by leverages. I wasn't pushing,

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Speaker 1: perhaps a mechanism as old as mankind. If there's one

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Speaker 1: thing I've learned growing up in rural America, it's that

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Speaker 1: hunters have secrets. I've spent a lifetime trying to unravel

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Speaker 1: mumble things best left unspoken. But one thing is consistent.

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Speaker 1: Hunters love to talk, and if you listen, you'll learn

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Speaker 1: a lot. We're about to hear two exclusive expose interviews

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Speaker 1: with some men who have been hardened by decades of

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Speaker 1: why and how these accomplished white tail hunters keep and

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Speaker 1: These men know every trick in the book and have

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Speaker 1: Mo Shepherd has put his reputation on the line. Here's Mo,

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Speaker 1: you better buckle up on your cellular phone. How many

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Speaker 1: pictures of white tailed deer do you have that our

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Speaker 1: secret that you would not show just a stranger? Several several?

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Speaker 1: How many you can you give me a number? I

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Speaker 1: probably dozen pictures probably that wouldn't show anybody unless they

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Speaker 1: show them. So why wouldn't you show somebody? Like if

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Speaker 1: So how many times have you done that to someone else? Sah?

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Speaker 1: Because I know that if you know that people do this,

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Speaker 1: if not most, of the things we do as humans

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Speaker 1: of it is the acquisition of knowledge. Knowledge is the

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Speaker 1: like food, mates, skills, et cetera. We constantly use the

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Speaker 1: of it is unconsciously filed away. Thomas Jefferson once wrote

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Speaker 1: knowledge is power, knowledge is safety, and knowledge is happiness.

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Speaker 1: Jefferson didn't create this idea, but he put words around

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Speaker 1: something very old. Humans want knowledge, and it's the key

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Speaker 1: to success. The way in which we distribute the knowledge

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Speaker 1: information at its foundational level. This is the architecture of

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Speaker 1: daily human life. The second white tail secret holder whose

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Speaker 1: conscience has become too heavy a burden to carry without

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Speaker 1: confession is Rusty Johnson. Here he is. How many bucks

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Speaker 1: on your cellular phone? Do you have pictures of on

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Speaker 1: least a dozen, at least it doesn't okay? Now, are

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Speaker 1: without your son knowing. Have you ever shown those pictures

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Speaker 1: believe it or not? Yeah? Okay? But but I mean

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Speaker 1: Now I know some intell about you. You have a

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Speaker 1: And my dad, But my dad's kind of he's out

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Speaker 1: of this is important. See, if we were in a

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Speaker 1: your dad is a part of this, he is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So close knit family, m M. Very interesting. Dad's can

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Speaker 1: often be the vow busters of white tail secrets. But

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Speaker 1: I bet there's more to this. Here's Mosley. Okay, has

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Speaker 1: a long awkward pause, staring off into the distance. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I have because I, okay, now this this,

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Speaker 1: because you're like, this is totally irrelevant information to this guy.

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Speaker 1: He's not. So I'm gonna read I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: with someone that you said you never would? Yes? Or

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Speaker 1: And I told the person that showed me the photo

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Speaker 1: to my wife. Very interesting. Again, wives seem to have

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Speaker 1: some val busting capabilities too. Let's get deeper. Here's curly.

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Speaker 1: How how would you feel if you shared a picture

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Speaker 1: I would just definitely lose a great fist fought anybody

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Speaker 1: over a deer? Uh? No, way back. I did almost

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Speaker 1: this particular tournament. They beat me to that spot. It's

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Speaker 1: anybody's lake, you know, it's a public lake. But still

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a very unsportsman like and when,

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Speaker 1: of course I was young back then. When I got

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Speaker 1: confronted him about it. I said, why did you go

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Speaker 1: to my, uh, fishing spot? I said, well, this is

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Speaker 1: anybody can go anywhere on this lake. It's a public lake.

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Speaker 1: I said, yes, but I found those fish. You saw

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Speaker 1: me fishing there, and you deliberately went to my spot,

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Speaker 1: and boy, they started bowing up, you know, and that

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Speaker 1: we didn't fight. We didn't fight, but we did have

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Speaker 1: When information is distributed like these guys saw Curly catching fish,

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Speaker 1: even if it's not a purpose, it's clear that Curly

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Speaker 1: had an expectation of how that knowledge would be handled,

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Speaker 1: and when it wasn't, he got upset. We're getting deeper,

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Speaker 1: here's Moseley. Have you ever had legitimate concern that showing

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Speaker 1: I have made the mistake a few times of a

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Speaker 1: few people that I saw something big or sound, saw

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Speaker 1: people to come back to a spot or I'd run

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Speaker 1: is power. For me to give that knowledge to someone,

429
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: because I'm saying I want you to be like me,

430
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: and I want to share even more than that, I

431
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: want to share identity with you. There it is. We

432
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: often share knowledge to validate others, but ultimately so that

433
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: they'll validate us. Whether it's family, a close friend, or

434
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: someone you want to be friends with. That reciprocity the

435
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: exchange of information signals and validates relationship. Why do you

436
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: want to share a trail camera picture of a buck

437
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: to someone that it's completely irrelevant to you want them

438
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: to thank your cool legit and then to know. Probably

439
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: this is as consistent as a gravity. Think about this.

440
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: What do you do when you see the best deer

441
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: hunter you know? You go and tell them about your

442
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: dear honey. You're signaling that you're the same. Remember when

443
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: I said dads can be val busters. It's because most

444
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: to us have a desire to show our dads that

445
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: were legit, and we want to share our lives with them.

446
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: We do this stuff all the time. This might explain

447
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: why on that cold November morning, I wanted so bad

448
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: to share my secret with the hunting world. The release

449
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: of that knowledge would have validated my personal identity. If

450
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: I would have told them my secret, they would have said,

451
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: oh man, that Clay is a real dear hunter. But

452
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: I still haven't told you what my secret is. I

453
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: may not talk to me about how dissemination of knowledge

454
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: is a request for relationship. In that relationship as a

455
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: string attached, which is this personal identity that I'm after. Absolutely,

456
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: identity construction is something that every human engages in almost

457
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: every conscious minute of their day, and even their subconscious

458
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: We know it or not, Whether we know it or not,

459
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: we are constantly constructing identity, and we're constantly asking for

460
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: a secure, socially accepted identity. Even the people that say

461
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: they're loners and they don't need anybody there, that's their identity.

462
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: That is there, people that are extroverted and involved in

463
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: social groups, and that's their identity. There's no there's not

464
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: a human on the planet that is exempt from this.

465
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Even even a hermit living on a desert island. He

466
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: is in pursuit of identity. He is in pursuit of

467
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: an identity, and he's forming it socially. Even if he's

468
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: forming it by being antisocial, it's still social. Is still

469
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: in antisocial, it's still a social identity. And so when

470
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: you look at identity formation. J Walter is a British

471
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: sociologist and one of the main points that he's long

472
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: since dead, but one of his main points is that

473
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: as he was watching individualism really kind of gain its

474
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: stride and and just hit its pace. One of his

475
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: main point is that we are incapable of assigning our

476
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: own identities. We try all day long, but it just

477
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: leaves us insufficient. And what we need, every single one

478
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: of us, to some extent, needs external validation. And so

479
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: we talk about the dissemination of information, hunting secrets in

480
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: this case, and we're relating that to identity. I am

481
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: sharing information with you in no small part because I

482
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: want you to validate me. I either want you to

483
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: look at that photo and say, boy, Daniel, you are

484
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: awesome or you did it, or I want you to

485
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: turn around and share your photo of your big buck

486
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: with me. And it says to me, we value each other.

487
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: We look at each other, if not as equals, as

488
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: worthy of being in the same in group. There's no

489
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: rejection between you and I if we're sharing that knowledge,

490
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: but if we're kind of playing our cards close, then

491
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: either you or I one of us does not validate

492
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: the other, and that's an assault on my socially accepted identity.

493
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: So people are always ferreting out and hunting as it were,

494
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: for these in groups that they can fit in. There's

495
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: not a person on the planet that I think could

496
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't see that in themselves if they really looked at it,

497
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: because it's so true when you really think about why

498
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: you do what you do. So I asked some of

499
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: these guys that I interviewed, I said, why do you

500
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: share a picture with these people that you're close to.

501
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: And I was kind of surprised because some of them

502
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: weren't really able to articulate why. But when we builed

503
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it down, it was clear they're not sharing information with

504
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: someone that they don't want to be friends with. They're

505
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: not sharing information with their enemy, They're not sharing information

506
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: with someone that they don't perceive as kind of equal

507
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: to themselves. And they, oh, man, we're all we're all

508
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: looking for validation from people in some ways, you know,

509
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to receive validation from someone else. You can quickly

510
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: go down that road and see that that is not healthy,

511
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: but they're parts of that that are very healthy. Sure,

512
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: we are designed to live inside of community. We are,

513
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we're designed for relationship. And and Dan, I

514
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: say this all the time, and I go back to

515
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: it all the time. I think much of hunting, as

516
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: would be much of any other kind of activity we

517
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: engage with that involves other people, is really fueled by relationship.

518
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: So and I think one of the things that makes

519
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: hunting in particular so powerful relationally is it's practical, it's tangible,

520
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: it's out in the world. You can't learn it off

521
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: a video. You really need to be with someone who

522
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: is an expert who has done it. You need to

523
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: watch what they do. And this is what humans have

524
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: been doing forever. It's a powerful interaction that as humans

525
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: we just don't normally get because well, think about the

526
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: way that a lot of humans right now, a lot

527
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: of us do. Identity is digitally. So if if the

528
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: need for validation is so huge and we all need

529
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: it so deeply, and you would think all of these

530
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: folks who have huge social media presence and they have

531
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: all these followers, and they have all these likes, you

532
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: would think, man, good night, they've got validation off the charts.

533
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Yet study after study after study. You know, doesn't matter

534
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: if it's a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a counselor whoever did

535
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: the study. Social scientists, psychologist, doesn't matter. Mental health decreases,

536
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: while there's a correlation between mental health and yeah, you're

537
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: in trouble. But that's true because so the longer you

538
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: get pseudo validation from an impersonal source, the lower your

539
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: mental health goes. The more validation you get from a

540
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: real life, real human being who cares about you by

541
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: sharing information with you, they're validating you. They're caring for you.

542
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: The more stable and robust your identity is because it's

543
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: not exclusively yours is shared, and that's the myth of

544
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the rugged individual. We were not always bringing it back

545
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: to the We were not made to have identity in

546
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: and of ourselves. We need it validated externally. This is

547
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. And when we swoop back down to our

548
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: specific topic, which is how we share hunting secrets, it

549
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: even gets more interesting. When you are engaging in trading

550
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: hunting information, you just stepped into the shoes or sandals

551
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: or moccasin's crocs, crocs, brint reefs of humans for millennia.

552
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Whereas when we swipe our credit card, when I get

553
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: out on my phone, I'm doing something that humanity has

554
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: done for all of five minutes. But as a hunter,

555
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: when I'm engaging and sharing hunting secrets or even just

556
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: hunting knowledge, how do you shoot a bow? When I

557
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: teach my son how to shoot a bow? I mean,

558
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: that's an ancient transaction. It almost doesn't get more ancient

559
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: than that. It just really doesn't. And because as a people,

560
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: we are provided thanks to you know, major supermarkets and

561
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: the supply chain, where most of us are not connected

562
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: to farming. Most of us are not connected to agriculture.

563
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: As hunters, we are connected to an activity that human

564
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: kind has been engaged with from the beginning, all the

565
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: way back. That's a fascinating thought because there's got to

566
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: be in as much DNA and data that our minds, spirits,

567
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: bodies operate off of that is not controlled by us.

568
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: It's got I've got to believe that something triggers inside

569
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: of the human when something really primitive is done, it's

570
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: got to trigger something. I think kind of like a

571
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to call it on

572
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: a soul level or a deep cognitive level, when you

573
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: share something that's tangible, practical, that came to you at

574
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: a cost, and you share it in a way where

575
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: you have to live it out in front of me.

576
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: You know. I remember the first time I was in

577
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: a tree stand. I was with you and you had

578
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: me shoot at a stump. Yeah yeah, And I shot

579
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: at a stump and you shared with me a way

580
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: of being that I could emulate and do. That hits

581
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: a person on a profound level. Most of our our

582
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: interactions that exchanges on a day to day basis do

583
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: not do that because they're so impersonal and they're so abstract,

584
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: and I think because deep down, you're showing me a

585
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: way to be, Whereas in every other transaction, I'm trying

586
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: to essentially purchase an identity, I'm trying to gain an identity,

587
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: or trying to learn about something else, just merely like

588
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: up here my mind theoretically, But when I now, when

589
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: I go out into the wood, I'm looking at a

590
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: new plot of land, and I'm trying to figure out

591
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: what's the best white oakre red oak to be around.

592
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: And I find myself thinking, if Clay were here, what

593
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: would he think and what would he do? I'm emulating you.

594
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: I'd be looking for those acres, but looking for acres

595
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: um you know, And that's a powerful way. I think.

596
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: One of the myths of the rugged individualist is I

597
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: can create and select an identity for myself. So much

598
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: of the modern exchange of knowledge is impersonal and abstract.

599
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: Think of the simple example of buying a banana. We've

600
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: basically assigned abstract value to a note of tender, a

601
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: dollar bill, and we trade that material object for the

602
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: knowledge that it takes to farm, the work and the

603
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: delivery of that banana to a grocery store. Money depersonalizes

604
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: the exchange of knowledge and takes the relationship right out

605
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: of it. We don't have to go to the farm

606
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: and meet the farmer to get bananas. This idea leads

607
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: us to and it's connected to why we can't get

608
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: healthy personal identity from things that can be bought with money.

609
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: True and healthy identity comes from relationships. That's a mic

610
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: drop moment. I want to step back into my conversation

611
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: with Rusty Johnson. He'll lead us into a discussion about

612
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: social media, how we use it, how it's changed the

613
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: way we share information and knowledge and receive validation. Here's

614
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Rusty and I think we got him trapped. And I

615
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: still haven't told you my secret. So you are very

616
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: tight with the information that you would portray. But sir,

617
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: you have an Instagram page where you guys post pictures

618
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: of alive dear all the time. Justify this for uh,

619
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: That's that's a tough one out there. I'll just put

620
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: it this way. We we don't post everything, but we

621
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: we do post a lot. Have you ever thought about

622
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: putting like a disclaimer on the tagline of your Instagram

623
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: page that we post a lot of deer, but not

624
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: all of them. But you this Instagram page, though, clearly

625
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: shows that you have a deep desire to share these

626
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: deer with people. Though, I mean, would you agree further

627
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: viewing the pleasure? But what I found is that usually

628
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: the thing that we're trying to guard the most is

629
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: actually the thing we want to talk about the post.

630
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? The secret pictures that you

631
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: have on your phone, the dozen secret pictures, are those

632
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: not the photos that you want to show me right now?

633
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: I would like to Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I

634
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: mean I like to see people have enjoyment through what

635
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: we post on our Instagram and Facebook page. So it's

636
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: about them. Are you sure about that? No? Social media

637
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: has und audibly affected the way we share knowledge and

638
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: build identity. It's unprecedented in human history. Here's Dr Dan

639
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: and I exploring this topic. If we're talking about secrets,

640
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about the dissemination of knowledge, some of it

641
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: intimate knowledge. Man, Only in the last fifteen years have

642
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Speaker 1: we had at our fingertips the ability to communicate with people.

643
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Speaker 1: How do you think social media is scrambling the human brain? Oh?

644
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Speaker 1: My goodness, So I think what social media one of

645
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Speaker 1: the positive things about social media is you don't have

646
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to as many people, so we can

647
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Speaker 1: clean we can keep acquaintances and people in our lives

648
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: that normally, apart from the Internet and connectivity, we would

649
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Speaker 1: lose touch with humans. Not only were we not made

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00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: to be alone, you know, like we said, even the

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00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of the monk who's on an island by himself

652
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: is still creating a socially constructed identity. We also weren't

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Speaker 1: made to stay in touch with everybody we've ever known.

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Speaker 1: Every This is new man. Okay, if you think about

655
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Speaker 1: it like this. Humans used to be full time hunters,

656
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: so we file the way hunting info. Now we have

657
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Speaker 1: less hunting info, but more like a rolodex of people

658
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: because we keep up with these people. So maybe there's

659
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Speaker 1: a correlation between having smaller Instagram followings and being better hunters.

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Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? I do have because

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Speaker 1: there's space in a man's brain especially. This is nonsense.

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00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: This is nonsense. But so the more people you are

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00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: connected to doesn't necessarily result in the more actual validation

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Speaker 1: you can get. You don't necessarily need more pseudo relationships.

665
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: You need a healthy number of real solid relationships. And

666
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: so if one of the kind of the crazy things

667
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Speaker 1: that social media does to us is it's just this compounding,

668
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Speaker 1: ever growing as you go to college and then you

669
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Speaker 1: moved to another city, and you moved to another city,

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Speaker 1: you can keep up with everybody another thing sing that's

671
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: like me and the kids are TikTok oh, TikTok in it,

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00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: you know. So another thing that social media does is

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00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: it gives you the illusion of validation or invalidation. If

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Speaker 1: I post something, I'm either getting a false positive feedback

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00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: loop if a ton of people like it but maybe

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00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: there's no value in it. But there's no value in it,

677
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: or I get a negative feedback loop because nobody likes it,

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00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: and either way I lose if I'm going to social

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00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: media for validation. But the problem is is my brain

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00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: when I pull up Facebook or Instagram, I'm not thinking

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00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to social media. I think I'm interacting with

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Speaker 1: people because I'm looking at people, I'm seeing people's names,

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00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm seeing their faces, I'm remembering times that we were

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Speaker 1: connected together. And because I'm wired as a human to

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Speaker 1: construct identity and share it with others, I think I'm

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00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: interacting with people but I'm not, and so I'm bound

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Speaker 1: to fail unless I'm approaching social media from a secure places.

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00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: It cause us to fail in it's it's where do

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Speaker 1: we see the breakdown of a human inside of a

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00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: false leaning up on this for their validation. So you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have people who or they begin to orient larger

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Speaker 1: and larger chunks of their days around their online presence

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00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: or chunks of their finances, chunks of their resources, chunks

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Speaker 1: of their time. Means fewer personal resources to give to

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Speaker 1: actual people who can return actual validation, and then depression anxiety.

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Speaker 1: So basically, a human has this allotted amount of energy

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Speaker 1: to spend on relationship finite. And if we start leaning

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Speaker 1: so heavy into social media that we're expending this into

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Speaker 1: this like false thing, then we neglect. And this is

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Speaker 1: maybe where the functional aspect is we neglect? Could we

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00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: neglect the real relationships that we have? Absolutely? I mean

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00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: this is you go, my family went out to eat

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00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: last night at a restaurant. You look around the restaurant.

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00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's on their phones. Because what happens is is relating

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Speaker 1: with real people. They're looking at you. So think about it.

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Speaker 1: If what happens if I share a hunting secret with

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Speaker 1: you and you don't reciprocate. That's scary. That affects who

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00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I am and my value and worth as an individual.

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00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: But the cost, the short term cost of going online

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Speaker 1: and looking at Facebook, is nothing but setting across from

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00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: a real individual and not just opening up my hunting

712
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: knowledge secrets, but opening up who I am as a person.

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00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Now you're talking things of real value and worth, and

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00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: so now you're talking about real risk. And so it's

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Speaker 1: supposedly kind of I'll do quotations around this finger. Supposedly

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00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: safer for me to go to social media to be

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00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: validated than it is for me to turn actually go

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Speaker 1: and be a real thing in front of a real person.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that hunting forces you to

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Speaker 1: do is just that you have to go out in

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00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: the woods together do it, and do it together. I

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00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: listened just yesterday to a podcast about the metaverse, which

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00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: essentially is this idea that started a long time ago

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Speaker 1: about how humans could one day live in a digital world.

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00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: It was like a sci fi section of a book

726
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: from some you know in the eighties or nineties. There's

727
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: now with these video games and a bunch of different stuff.

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00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: They're big groups really trying to build out commerce inside

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00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: of the metaverse where I mean it's happening. It's like

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Speaker 1: I think Microsoft just bought an online game for like

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Speaker 1: seventy billion dollars, and it's because they see the market

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Speaker 1: going to this digital market, which man just like every

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Speaker 1: single thing that we see happen in life, it's like

734
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Speaker 1: everything is going to a facade of what it appear

735
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: years to be. Everything is propped up by a veneer

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Speaker 1: of what it seems like it is, but when you

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Speaker 1: tap into it, it's not that. And that is also

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Speaker 1: the nature of humanity in a lot of ways. Facades

739
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: make us. A really good facade makes you feel supposedly safe,

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00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: secure and validated, but on the inside you're still not.

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Speaker 1: So most of the things that we modern contemporary humans

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00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: with a certain amount of wealth that we can expend,

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00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: most of the things that we are purchasing our a facade.

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00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Think about even in the hunting community, all the gear,

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00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: all the stuff. I can have, all this amazing gear,

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00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: but if I don't relate with another hunter who's willing

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00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: to validate me, is share with me his wisdom and

748
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: me the same, I'll never be a good hunter. I've

749
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: just purchased another facade, and so you know, meta, they're

750
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: betting on humanity's propensity to go after facades. And I'm

751
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: not like, I'm not at all. I mean want Instagram.

752
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't want social media, of course, but as humans,

753
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: we have to understand our tendency to do identity and

754
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: counter productive ways. Yeah, the idea with social media is

755
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: that you almost have to be on it in some

756
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: ways to be relevant, of course, And that's dumb to say,

757
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: because you don't have to have social media to survive

758
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: in today's world. Most people do, and it's just got

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00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: to be handled in a balanced way, you know. And

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00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I think when we understand how the mind works, how

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00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: we are on a constant search for identity, that it

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00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: that that knowledge can give us tools to know how

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Speaker 1: to manage stuff. And I know for sure, inside of

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00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: my life, because I mean I do a lot of

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00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: stuff on social media part of my job, I work

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00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: extra hard to make sure that the real human relationships

767
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: in my life are dialed up and dialed in, because yeah,

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00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, you just don't want to

769
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: be the guy that is a facade. Fascinating stuff, and

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00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: we've just scratched the surface of it. As we come

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00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: to a close, I want to summarize what we've learned

772
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: and get back to our original question. Why do whitetail

773
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: hunters keep secrets? Why do you think we're so finicky

774
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: about the way that we distribute white tail hunting secrets?

775
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: Several things, I don't want you in my spot. I

776
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: don't want you. It's a it's a competition for a

777
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: limited resource, so you're not going to share it with everybody.

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00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: I think. Another thing is a fundamental insecurity. I'm not

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00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm not gonna just share my important knowledge

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00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: with anybody, because again, what if they don't reciprocate well

781
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: in a fundamental insecurity on the like, I'm hiding because

782
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm afraid it's gonna be taken from me. Yeah,

783
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: people are just insecure. We are insecure. Just like someone

784
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: is gonna go on Pinterest. You know, my my wife

785
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: might get on Pinterest and select certain things to be

786
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: on her Pinterest page. She's gonna select the things that

787
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: she feels like reflects who she is. If I go

788
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: to Lows or home Depot and pick out new light

789
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: fixtures for a home and do that, I'm not just

790
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: gonna pick out random ones. I'm gonna pick out the

791
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: ones that I feel like reflect who I am. Same

792
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: way when it comes to choosing who I share information with,

793
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna share information with people who I feel like

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00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: are sufficiently like me or people that I want to

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00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: be like. And so that's a very finicky kind of

796
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: particular process. I don't just share with anybody. You've made

797
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes about how someone says acorn or acorn.

798
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, we have all these kind of ear markers

799
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: a joke, You're an idiot. We have all these these

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00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: earmarks of who is in and who is out, and

801
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: so much of human thinking is in group out group thinking.

802
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: You know, you think you look at our nation and

803
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: how polarized it is, and fairly quickly I can tell

804
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: who is in whatever my supposed in that sphere of

805
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: influence in group is and who is out, and that's

806
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: where information goes or with the out group, that is

807
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: not where information goes. In closing, I want to tell

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00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: you just a little bit about my secret in I

809
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: had a big deer on camera. For me, it was

810
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: like a once in a decade type deer hundred and

811
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: fifty engineer after a bullet malfunction on my muzzle loader

812
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: and amidst the deer lived in one he grew a

813
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: lot and turned into a once in a lifetime deer.

814
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: The prior season, my strategy had been locked box lips,

815
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: especially with neighboring landowners that had access to this deer.

816
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: But later in the season I adopted a different strategy

817
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: of openness. I made an unusual move. I decided to

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00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: coop information with the other people that I knew were

819
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: after him. I agreed to share all the info. I

820
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: had no secrets. It was risky and went against everything

821
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: I'd ever done. I chose to share all my trail

822
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: campics within a few hours of getting them with the

823
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: other guys that were hunting this deer. Why and I

824
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: didn't ask for anything in return, But if I'm being honest,

825
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: I imagined that I would get stuff in return. I

826
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: was willing to be the first to release information. I

827
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: was desperate, but my motives were probably far from altruistic.

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00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: I knew that they would give me information that I

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00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: needed as well, but it seemed kind of fair. The

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00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: results of the experiment were entirely positive, though none of

831
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: us killed the buck, I shared valuable information that helped

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00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: the other landowners, and in turn, they shared info with me.

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00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the release of that

834
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: secret information did exactly what Dr Dan said it would do.

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00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: It built trust and relationship between myself and these guys

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00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: that I don't think will go away anytime soon. Sadly,

837
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: we believe the Buck to be dead. Who else did

838
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: I share these secret pictures with? You might ask, I

839
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: can't tell you. That's a secret. I've learned a lot

840
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: about myself by talking with Mosley, Curly and Dr Dan.

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00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: I continue to be amazed at the undeniable magnetic attraction

842
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: for humans to build personal identity. You do it even

843
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: if you don't think you are like an emerald headed

844
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: Ballard duck going to the acorns and rice. We just

845
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: can't help it. These secrets we keep and release are

846
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: important components of relationship and identity building. Keeping secrets also

847
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: has some really functional aspects to them, like we don't

848
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: want a bunch of hillbillies piling into our spots, But

849
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: it's deeper. The quickest way to offend someone is to

850
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: invalidate their perceived personal identity. Fist fights, murders, wars, and

851
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: unbridled wrath have been released by people because of infractions

852
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: on their identity. We spend our whole lives building it,

853
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: and appealing to someone's personal identity is also the quickest

854
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: way to someone's heart and to engender their trust. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this can be done in healthy and unhealthy ways, genuine

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00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: and non genuine ways, But in the end, we want

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Speaker 1: to be surrounded by people who view us as we

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Speaker 1: believe ourselves to be and hopefully who we actually are.

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Speaker 1: Humans are designed to live in close orbit with people,

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Speaker 1: and these people around this build our identity. It's grounding

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Speaker 1: to me to realize that people's perception of us is

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Speaker 1: far less important than the meat of the matter, which

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Speaker 1: is who we actually are. Better to be thought and idiot,

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Speaker 1: but be intelligent than to be thought intelligent and be

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Speaker 1: an idiot. In the world that's increasingly digital and impersonal,

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Speaker 1: it's easier than ever to live behind the facade, knowing

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Speaker 1: that external possessions give the illusion of identity, and that

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00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: that's a really old trick. I'm hoping that all this

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Speaker 1: talk will help me focus on actual character and actual

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Speaker 1: substance who I am when nobody's watching. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: fan of that kind of talk, but talk is cheap anyway.

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Speaker 1: Next season, when you get a picture of a big

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Speaker 1: buck or a big bear, keep track of who you

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Speaker 1: share it with and how you manage your own secrets,

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Speaker 1: and you just might learn something about yourself. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening to bear Grease. Hey, check out Meat

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. Please share this podcast with friend and folk,

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Speaker 1: even share it with your grandma who knows she might

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Speaker 1: like it. And hey, before we close, here's a bonus

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Speaker 1: section of Dan Rupe ringing the Truth out of Me

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Speaker 1: Clay nucom How many photos do you have on your

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Speaker 1: phone that no one else has seen? Secret photos? Secret photos?

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Speaker 1: These photos would be a combination that are mine that

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Speaker 1: I don't share, but also photos that people have sent

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Speaker 1: me that I've vowed to not show. And I would

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Speaker 1: say that at any given time, if you were to

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Speaker 1: scroll through my saved pictures on my phone, there would

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00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: be three to six pictures of white tailed deer that

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00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: have some semblance of a vow made to someone else

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Speaker 1: or to myself that I wasn't that I wouldn't share

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Speaker 1: freely with anybody. There's there's different variations of this, because

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Speaker 1: there's some pictures that I would share with Joe on

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: the street if I was walking down the street and

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Speaker 1: he had a camo hat and we stopped together, and

898
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Speaker 1: I'll be like, man, you a deer hunter, and I'll

899
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Speaker 1: be like, look at the stair I got a picture of.

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Speaker 1: But they're also there's three to six that that would

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: never happen to know, here's a question for you. Let's

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00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: say somebody shares with you they're inside info. Maybe it's

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00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: a picture from the trail camp. Oh yeah, your mr

904
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Speaker 1: go to. My question is can you be trusted? Hey?

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Speaker 1: That is a very real question that every one of

906
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Speaker 1: us wager on our friend all the time. And so

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00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: you're asking me, I'm not if I'm trustworthy? Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is a it's a yes or no. You've not answered,

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00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: but the answer the answer is yes. I if you

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Speaker 1: sent me a picture that you specifically asked me not

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00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: to share with anyone, I would I would honor that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it sounds to me like one you're trying to convince

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Speaker 1: yourself that you're trustworthy to what if I sent you

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Speaker 1: a photo and I didn't explicitly say, hey, Clay, keep

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Speaker 1: this one to yourself, but you knew you knew I

916
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Speaker 1: didn't want this going every Okay, then it's it's sort

917
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Speaker 1: of off the table if you don't if you give

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Speaker 1: me information that does not come with specific instructions, then

919
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: it's off the table. Now. Granted, I I'm not stupid,

920
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: and if somebody's sharing information with me, like, I'm gonna

921
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: typically act inside of like a code of honor, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go like put that on Instagram and say,

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Speaker 1: Jim said, this picture of this buck you got on

924
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Speaker 1: his lease. But if you sent me a picture and

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Speaker 1: you don't say don't share this with someone, and I'm

926
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Speaker 1: compelled by that picture, I'm compelled by something about it,

927
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Speaker 1: the size of the buck, where it was, at the

928
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Speaker 1: time it was, at what it was doing. I mean,

929
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Speaker 1: I'll show that to Bill on the street. So that's okay.

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Speaker 1: What I think what's disturbing to me is even when

931
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Speaker 1: you said I would say don't share this one with anybody,

932
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Speaker 1: you said typically you would act within a code of

933
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: well listen, so there is there are therefore instances where

934
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Speaker 1: you would betray my trust? Okay, regardless of the situation.

935
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Speaker 1: I guess what we're talking about is how to the

936
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Speaker 1: letter of the law that someone is gonna be I

937
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: don't think we're talking about someone. I think we're talking

938
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Speaker 1: about you and what you're made. Listen, you send me

939
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Speaker 1: a picture of your big buck that and you say, Clay,

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Speaker 1: don't share this with anybody? Can I show it to

941
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Speaker 1: my wife? Is your wife? Anybody she is? So I've

942
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: broken your trust? Can I show it to my dad?

943
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: Who will not know where that information came from? Will

944
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Speaker 1: not I mean, has no connection. Don't you don't you

945
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Speaker 1: understand that this is how the floodgates get open. It's

946
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Speaker 1: exactly how they get open, Dan, And that is exactly

947
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Speaker 1: why that I've been burned. I have been burned by people.

948
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Speaker 1: And what I because this is what I've learned, okay,

949
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: is it's not me that you have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: It's the person I share it with. So I get

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Speaker 1: your picture and I'm just sharing this with you because

952
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: I have grown. Okay, I have grown. I get a

953
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: picture from you this jot buck, and I go, man, oh,

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Speaker 1: Gary Nuclem, He's not gonna go in there and kill

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Speaker 1: that dear. He's not gonna it doesn't matter. And so

956
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Speaker 1: I go, look at this picture that Bill sent me.

957
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Speaker 1: I've swore to Bill that I wasn't gonna show anybody.

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Speaker 1: This is a made up scenario. This is never hap

959
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: purely hypothetical. I showed it to Gary and again, I'm

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: not the one you have to worry about, because I'm

961
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: not gonna go on your spot. I'm not gonna tell

962
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Speaker 1: the information to someone that would use that information to

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Speaker 1: capitalize on your spot. But you know who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: loyalty to Billy, Gary Nuco Now it doesn't have any

965
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Speaker 1: loyalty to Bill, doesn't know Bill, you know Gary. The

966
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Speaker 1: next day goes man, I saw a picture of a

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Speaker 1: big buck that came out of bleepity bleep management area

968
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Speaker 1: just yesterday. And he tells that to pick someone and bam,

969
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: the thing just you've lost it all. So that's where

970
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: people aren't trustworthy is the trusted person that they tell

971
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: Because my trusted person isn't your trusted person. You can

972
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Yeah, And so I have started

973
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Speaker 1: to when I share deep secrets for other people, like say,

974
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Speaker 1: don't share this with anybody, not even your dad, not

975
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Speaker 1: even your brother. You know, can you keep this secret?

976
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Speaker 1: So one of the things about being in a relationship

977
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Speaker 1: with you that's challenging is you are actually dividing families.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you are keeping people from communicating with their

979
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Speaker 1: own family members. I mean, didn't tell there