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<v Speaker 1>Get in text of technology with text stuff from hastaff

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<v Speaker 1>what dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, Jonathan Strickland, and today I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about war. War never changes. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Fallout, even though I just recently started to

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<v Speaker 1>play Fallout for again because I never finished it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk about a war going on in artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not sky Net, it's not the Terminator, It's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like that. No, it's really about who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be your personal assistant. That's the best kind of war

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<v Speaker 1>because we win no matter who wins, right, we get

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<v Speaker 1>the best out of whichever combatants into the AI personal

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<v Speaker 1>assistant thunderdome. I'm throwing out a lot of references to

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi here. I'm gonna cut that out. So we

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk today. We being me and you you

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<v Speaker 1>can talk back. I just won't be able to hear

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<v Speaker 1>you about these personal digital assistants, but not the p

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<v Speaker 1>d as of the past. We want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the the series and the Cortanas and the Google Assistance

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<v Speaker 1>and things of that nature. And I want to specifically

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<v Speaker 1>look into how are these going to be incorporated into

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<v Speaker 1>our lives in the future, and what are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the concerns we have and what differentiates all these products

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<v Speaker 1>that have been sort of coming into their own over

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<v Speaker 1>the past few years. So to start with, you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know which of these assistants came first, And arguably

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<v Speaker 1>you could say Google actually beat everyone to the punch

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<v Speaker 1>by a couple of months because on June four, two eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>Google announced at an inside Google Search event that it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to roll out voice search on Google dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>And the project name at Google was uh Majel or Magel,

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon how you want to pronounce it, but Majel

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<v Speaker 1>would be the way her name was actually pronounced. Named

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<v Speaker 1>after Majel Barrett, who was the wife of Gene Roddenberry,

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<v Speaker 1>the creator of Star Trek. Majel Barrett actually played the

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<v Speaker 1>voice of the computer system, particularly on Star Trek the

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<v Speaker 1>next generation. Whenever you heard the computer speak, that was

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<v Speaker 1>Majel Barrett's voice. She also played uh Deanna Troy's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Luaxanna Troy. Anyway, they named it after her. Internally, uh

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<v Speaker 1>it actually doesn't have a name name, which kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sets it apart from some of the competitors. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Voice Command project was a tool from Google Labs, so

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<v Speaker 1>their research and development arm and on March fourteen, this

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<v Speaker 1>particular feature was rolled into the Google Now product and

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<v Speaker 1>uh it was part of the Android four point one

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<v Speaker 1>release that was the jelly Bean release. Now, at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>the speech recognition commands had evolved a little bit. It

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<v Speaker 1>had gone beyond some of the initial old stuff where

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<v Speaker 1>you could just ask Google to search something for you.

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<v Speaker 1>This was also a feature that was worked into Google Glass,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you had a pair of Google Glass, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that the voice command would always start with the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase okay, followed by Google I'm not gonna say it together,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case some of you are listening to your

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<v Speaker 1>devices or listening with a device nearby and it's on

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<v Speaker 1>its home screen. I don't want to activate it for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, but you can use that phrase that would

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<v Speaker 1>end up alerting the virtual assistant that you wanted something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would speak whatever it was you wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>And over time, functionality increase, so it went beyond just

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<v Speaker 1>searches and into more interactive features like with an Android

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<v Speaker 1>phone you could set an alarm, or you could set

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder or review your calendar and more. As time

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<v Speaker 1>went on, at this point it is evolved into something

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more robust than that. Even you can

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<v Speaker 1>start to interact with some third party stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And at Google Io two thousand and sixteen, it became

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<v Speaker 1>part of Google Assistant. Now Google Assistant is really the

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent personal assistant product from Google. The earlier versions you

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<v Speaker 1>could think of a sort of a rudimentary form or

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps a prototype or maybe just like these are

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<v Speaker 1>features that would eventually be rolled all into one finished product,

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<v Speaker 1>being Google Assistant. So by that argument, if you say

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<v Speaker 1>Google Assistant, you know, if you mark the Google I

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<v Speaker 1>event as its premier, then it's not the oldest. But

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<v Speaker 1>it dates back to June fourteen, two thousand eleven, when

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<v Speaker 1>Google announced this initial search voice search ability. So that

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<v Speaker 1>same year, in October, on October fourteenth, in fact, Apple

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<v Speaker 1>introduced Sirie. And I'm sure you all know what Siri is,

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<v Speaker 1>but just in case you don't, it's billed as an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent personal assistant and it was introduced as a feature

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<v Speaker 1>with the iPhone for S and it's been part of

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone iOS ecosystem ever since. And it uses speech

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<v Speaker 1>recognition to interpret user requests and responds with what is

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully inappropriate action. According to series creators, Apple actually scaled

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<v Speaker 1>back what Siri was supposed to be able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that they had arranged for Siri to work

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<v Speaker 1>with about forty to forty five different apps that Apple had,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the company scaled that back significantly, so the

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<v Speaker 1>serie creators essentially sold the product to Apple. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>went on to create a different intelligent assistant called VIV

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<v Speaker 1>v I V and VIV is currently unaffiliated with any

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<v Speaker 1>other big names, but it has received funding from some

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<v Speaker 1>very wealthy folks in the text sphere, like Mark Zuckerberg,

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<v Speaker 1>for example. And VIV is what the creators of vivs

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's what Siri was supposed to be from

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<v Speaker 1>the get go, and and essentially they're saying that Siri,

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<v Speaker 1>you was kind of hampered, hamstrung, if you will, by

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<v Speaker 1>Apple um And we'll get into more about why that

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<v Speaker 1>may be in a little bit. So Sirie actually came

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<v Speaker 1>second after Google had announced their voice search, keeping in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that Siri was a different presentation, So you could

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<v Speaker 1>argue that Siri was really more of the first assistant,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the Google approach eventually evolved into an assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>But wasn't really at that same level back in Moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward in spring two thousand and fourteen, that's when Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>got into the game by unveiling Cortana, which is their

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent assistant for the Windows Phone platform. And in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft included Cortana with Windows ten. So if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a Windows ten machine, Cortana is part of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a microphone you can actually give voice

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<v Speaker 1>commands to Cortana. You can also interact via text um.

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<v Speaker 1>Cortana is named after the AI and the Halo franchise

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<v Speaker 1>and is voiced by the same act Risks who provided

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of Cortana in the games. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>ask fun things about Master Chief and she always has

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<v Speaker 1>a interesting answer for those. All of these, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>tend to have some sort of fun element to them,

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<v Speaker 1>where the developers clearly thought of ridiculous things you could

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<v Speaker 1>ask the digital assistance and built in responses that were humorous.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the big one that everyone talked about with

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<v Speaker 1>Siri was where can I hide a body? And Syrie

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<v Speaker 1>would come back with nearby quarries and caves systems and

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<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. Now, in November two thousand fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>we get our final big name in this battle, Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when Amazon unveiled the Echo, which is that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of standalone speaker system UH that has the Intelligent Assistant

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<v Speaker 1>Alexa incorporated into it. And like the other ones I've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned so far, Alexa can follow your voice commands and

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<v Speaker 1>interact with the Internet as well as with other Internet

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<v Speaker 1>connected devices. That list of Internet connected devices Alexa can

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<v Speaker 1>work with is growing day by day, and Amazon is

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<v Speaker 1>actually trying to build out the capabilities further and as

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<v Speaker 1>such as hired a team to create a guide on

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<v Speaker 1>how to develop for Alexa. I'm going to interview one

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<v Speaker 1>of the developers on that team in a later episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually have that scheduled for later this summer, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about what it's like to develop for

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<v Speaker 1>this platform and the potential of using such a platform

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<v Speaker 1>and in new and creative ways. So we have four

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<v Speaker 1>really big players in the space. We've got Apple and

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<v Speaker 1>Google and Microsoft and Amazon already vying to be the

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<v Speaker 1>big digital assistant provider. Then we have the other names,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've got the team behind Viv and other apps

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<v Speaker 1>as well that are in this space that are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of become the voice that you interact with

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<v Speaker 1>um so that it can do all the things you

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<v Speaker 1>needed to do in a s seamless away as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things we need to also look

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<v Speaker 1>at is how does this differentiate? How do these different players?

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<v Speaker 1>How are they different from one another? If they're exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same as each other, then it really doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>which one you pick, right, I mean, they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>depends just which platform you have available. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>all iOS devices, then Siri is pretty much gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the one you're gonna depend upon the most most likely

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<v Speaker 1>at any rate. So Cortana, Siri, and Google Assistant are

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<v Speaker 1>all part of existing platforms like smartphones and computers, So

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<v Speaker 1>they are incorporated into things that we already have. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably already have a smartphone or a computer or both,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it makes sense that you would incorporate your

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<v Speaker 1>digital assistant into that. You don't have to buy anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right there, and you can incorporate that into other

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<v Speaker 1>systems that are connected to a personal network or a

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<v Speaker 1>home net work. Then you've got Alexa, which debuted on

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<v Speaker 1>a standalone device called the Echo, which again is just

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of intelligent speaker, a smart speaker with a

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<v Speaker 1>built in microphone. Google Assistant is actually following suit with

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<v Speaker 1>that with Google Home that was announced at Google Io two.

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<v Speaker 1>And Google Home is also a smart speaker with a

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<v Speaker 1>microphone that's gonna be available sometime later in t and

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<v Speaker 1>as of the recording of this podcast, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a date or a price on that, so it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say whether or not it will be competitively priced

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<v Speaker 1>against the Amazon Echo. It does like it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a particularly powerful version of this personal assistant, And

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<v Speaker 1>there are also rumors emerging that Apple is also working

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<v Speaker 1>on Sirie hardware, so it would be another standalone speaker

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<v Speaker 1>microphone system of some sort, and that Apple's Sirie platform

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<v Speaker 1>would exist on that. Now, as of the recording of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, we don't have confirmation on that, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>no timetable associated with such a thing or a price.

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<v Speaker 1>I would expect that any announcement of such a device

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<v Speaker 1>would come at one of Apple's big events, So probably,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had the guess, I'd say September is when

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<v Speaker 1>they would announce it. That's typically when they announced all

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<v Speaker 1>the big iPhone changes. But that's just a guess. They

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<v Speaker 1>might hold a single event for this particular thing, or

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<v Speaker 1>they might not hold an event at all, They may

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<v Speaker 1>just release it. That doesn't seem particularly apple like, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a possibility. So once the big deal with this

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<v Speaker 1>technology in the first place, why should we care. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, it represents huge leaps forward in the

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<v Speaker 1>field of artificial intelligence. So in one way, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really cool glimpse at the at the the state of

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<v Speaker 1>the art in AI specifically, and stuff like speech recognition,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty hard stuff. I mean, we all have

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<v Speaker 1>different ways of pronouncing words, and depending upon your region,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have an accent that has a different way

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<v Speaker 1>of pronouncing word. For example, Uh, you know, the Brits

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<v Speaker 1>say aluminium and we say aluminum here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Then even within a single country, you have different ways

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<v Speaker 1>of pronouncing things. And when Google first began translating speech

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<v Speaker 1>to text in voice messages, I noticed that it was

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<v Speaker 1>having a real hard time interpreting the words of some

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends and family. Now keep in mind I

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<v Speaker 1>am in the Southeast United States Georgia, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of people here with Southern accents.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a tiny bit of one. My parents have

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly stronger Southern accent. Some of my extended relatives

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even stronger Southern accent, and so when they would

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<v Speaker 1>call and leave a voicemail, Google had to guess at

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<v Speaker 1>what they were saying, and was not always correct. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have to go and listen to the voicemail because

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<v Speaker 1>the transcription would be completely indecipherable. Now, over time this

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<v Speaker 1>has improved. The speech recognition software has improved where it

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<v Speaker 1>can adjust for things like different accents and and the

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<v Speaker 1>different ways that people speak, using a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>algorithms that have been based in machine learning to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get a grip on what is being said and

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<v Speaker 1>even and anticipate what the next thing will be in

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<v Speaker 1>in any line of thought. Obviously, for someone like me

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<v Speaker 1>who stumbles over words occasionally, that's a real challenge because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I don't even know what's next to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of my mouth. But that's really where where that power

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<v Speaker 1>comes in. Now, over time, not just speech recognition has improved,

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<v Speaker 1>we've also had to look at the problem of natural language. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>natural language is how you and I could communicate with

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<v Speaker 1>one another. Unless it's like a really formal setting. We

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<v Speaker 1>usually are pretty casual with our language, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>make use of lots of different linguistic flourishes and tools,

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<v Speaker 1>things like figures of speech, metaphors, similes, puns, references, and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of other stuff that gives meaning to what we say.

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<v Speaker 1>But only if the other person also understands what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They also have to have that benefit. Otherwise it just

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a jumble of nonsense. I'm reminded of a Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek the Next Generation episode where characters only spoke in

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<v Speaker 1>um allegory, and if you didn't have that cultural background,

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't understand the references, you didn't understand where

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<v Speaker 1>the community, what, what the communication meant um. Similar problem

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<v Speaker 1>with machines. They don't necessarily know what we're saying all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. A lot of machines are not very good

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<v Speaker 1>at doing this. But natural language familiarity has been a

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<v Speaker 1>huge challenging in AI, and we're getting better at overcoming

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<v Speaker 1>that challenge. So at that that same Iowa event where

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<v Speaker 1>Google announced Google Home, they demonstrated that you could start

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with your personal assistant asking something fairly specific,

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<v Speaker 1>such as, we're gonna go with a local reference for

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<v Speaker 1>for yours truly, how are the Atlanta Braves doing this season? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>The assistant would actually break your heart by telling you

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<v Speaker 1>how poorly the Braves are doing this season and it

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<v Speaker 1>is abysmal. And you could follow that up with when

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<v Speaker 1>do they play at home next? And the assistant would

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<v Speaker 1>understand that when you say they, you mean the Atlanta Braves,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you say at home, it would understand you

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<v Speaker 1>meant Atlanta, Georgia. So it would be able to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the context of what you said without you having

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<v Speaker 1>to restate when do the Atlanta Braves play in Atlanta next?

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<v Speaker 1>You could take these little linguistic shortcuts that we would

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<v Speaker 1>normally do in natural conversation, but typically machines are not

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<v Speaker 1>great at that. They don't have the capacity to understand

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<v Speaker 1>how one sentence can follow another. But this is an

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<v Speaker 1>example of how that's changed through machine learning. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten this new approach where you can continue a series

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<v Speaker 1>of questions that build on previous questions and answers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Google Assistant can continue to give you relevant information,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty powerful statement in AI. Also, you

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<v Speaker 1>might have heard that funny story that Google fed romance

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<v Speaker 1>novels to its AI to make it better at understanding

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<v Speaker 1>natural language, And to be fair, that's just part of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. Google actually fed lots of different types of

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<v Speaker 1>unpublished literature to its AI, all with the goal of

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<v Speaker 1>teaching the AI that there are many different ways to

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<v Speaker 1>say the same thing. So here's an example. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>could say it's raining pretty hard today, or it's really

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<v Speaker 1>coming down out there, or it's raining cats and dogs dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's pouring outside, and all of those mean the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. But they're all different ways of saying that

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<v Speaker 1>it's raining really hard. And there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other ways I could say the same you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>to express the same thought using different words. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge for machines because we as humans understand that

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<v Speaker 1>you can say all these different things and that all

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<v Speaker 1>means the same thing. But machines have to be taught that.

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<v Speaker 1>So romance novels, as it turns out, are a good

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<v Speaker 1>way to teach a an AI how to interpret different

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<v Speaker 1>things because romance novels are incredibly formulaic. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>to break down a romance novel and and you outlined

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<v Speaker 1>it scene by scene so that you understood where the

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<v Speaker 1>beats and the story were and who the characters were

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<v Speaker 1>in their relationships to one another, you would see that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of romance novels follow the exact same structure,

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same plot structure, but because they're written by

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<v Speaker 1>different people, because the character names in places are often

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<v Speaker 1>changed from book to book. I mean, obviously you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to write the same novel forty times. It means

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a lot of different ways to express

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<v Speaker 1>the same ideas. So if you feed a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of formulating novels into an AI to teach it humans

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<v Speaker 1>have lots of different ways to express the same thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty powerful tool. Um. And again, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the only type of story that was being fed to

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<v Speaker 1>Google's AI. It's just the one that caught a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people's attention because it the headlines right themselves at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. So one thing that is really, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>funny about that is a lot of people made jokes

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<v Speaker 1>about Google AI suggesting different ways to rip a bodice

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<v Speaker 1>or to make a bosom heave from the whole romance

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<v Speaker 1>novel thing, But as it turns out, it was there

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<v Speaker 1>was some real thought given to using this approach. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways that these assistants work so well

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<v Speaker 1>is to tap into information about you and to store

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<v Speaker 1>all of that off of the hardware so that it

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<v Speaker 1>can anticipate what you want and what you need and

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<v Speaker 1>how to fulfill that. So, for example, if I'm using

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and I'm using the Echo and I'm I'm using

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<v Speaker 1>Alexa to purchase certain things off the Amazon Store, this

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<v Speaker 1>ends up tapping into that algorithm that tells Amazon what

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<v Speaker 1>I've bought and what I have browsed and and the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff I'm interested in, so it can suggest

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<v Speaker 1>new things that I might be interested in but didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know about. All of that is a very powerful tool.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the exceptions here is Apple's SIRIE. So Apple

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much locks everything down into the hardware as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to sharing it with third party or putting it in

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud. That's because Apple's revenue source selling that hardware

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<v Speaker 1>and related services like support plans like like a product

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<v Speaker 1>support or protection plans for your hardware. That's how Apple

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<v Speaker 1>makes its money. It's making it through selling this hardware

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<v Speaker 1>that it is producing, as opposed to something like Google,

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<v Speaker 1>which until Google Home comes out, it's selling an idea

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<v Speaker 1>to you and then selling you to advertisers. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>Apple That the benefits Apple in some ways because it

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<v Speaker 1>means that you can trust Syria a little more than

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<v Speaker 1>you could some of the other assistants because it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>mostly contained to your device. On the flip side, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes the actual service a little less useful because it

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<v Speaker 1>cannot tap into the massive resources of the Internet the

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<v Speaker 1>way some of these other assistants can, because again it's

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<v Speaker 1>all pretty much contained your device. Now I can access

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<v Speaker 1>I can pull stuff from the Internet for you, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as interactive as some of these other assistants are.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, there with the possibility of advertising or things

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<v Speaker 1>like Google or Amazon rather Amazon's integrated shopping services, you

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<v Speaker 1>start to see some real potential for revenue generation on

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<v Speaker 1>the back end. But it also brings up some questions

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<v Speaker 1>about privacy and security. Now. To look into that matter further,

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke with an expert on the subject, the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of a company called Big I d Dmitri Serota, and

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<v Speaker 1>here's what he had to say. Well, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>clearly there's a certain degree of inevitability around this. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've moved from an age of having these technologies

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<v Speaker 1>and you can almost think of this as kind of

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<v Speaker 1>web dot dot one in terms of being responsive to

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<v Speaker 1>the user and personalization really being about kind of targeting you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're now shifting to an era of anticipation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the technologies are becoming smarter and they know

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<v Speaker 1>more about you because they uch you on so many levels,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're on the web, whether you're on your mobile,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're at the office, whether you're in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're at home, as is the case with with

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<v Speaker 1>Google Home and Amazon Echo and similar technologies, that they're

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<v Speaker 1>no longer just about kind of responding to a particular action.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now trying to anticipate what you'd want. And in

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<v Speaker 1>some degree, you know, they're becoming more like your mother

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<v Speaker 1>or your parents, where they know so much about you

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<v Speaker 1>that they anticipate your needs um and there's a good

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<v Speaker 1>and a bad to that, right, So just the actions

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<v Speaker 1>that we would take in our homes can start to

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<v Speaker 1>set up these these expectations, for lack of a better word,

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<v Speaker 1>that our technology will have about us. For example, the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest way I think to illustrate this to today's audience

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<v Speaker 1>is to talk about something like the nest thermostat, where

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<v Speaker 1>you have said it a certain way, and it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to learn what your preferences are over time and then

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<v Speaker 1>it begins to automatically just without you ever having to

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<v Speaker 1>touch it, to the point where it's even seeing quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote seeing when you are home versus not home. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the sort of stuff that, when incorporated into a

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<v Speaker 1>device like Google Home, can become very powerful. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, has this this other side to it,

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<v Speaker 1>this side that that if we don't pay attention to it,

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<v Speaker 1>it could become potentially um harmful to us, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least at the at the very least anyway uh inconvenient

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<v Speaker 1>to us. So, for example, with our setting up Google

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<v Speaker 1>Home so that we would be able to control lighting

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<v Speaker 1>and security systems and uh thermostats, not only would we

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<v Speaker 1>have it set up so that it's to our preferences,

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<v Speaker 1>but it actually has learned when we're at home versus

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<v Speaker 1>when we're not at home, and what that information means

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<v Speaker 1>could be potentially very harmful to us. So in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>where where does accountability lie? Is this something that we

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves are are at least partly accountable for that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of information? Are the companies that create this technology? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they accountable? It's it's such a cloudy area. Where do

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<v Speaker 1>you see that? So it's a mix now clearly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want to kind of emphasize this. You

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier how this could become inconvenient. The reality is

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<v Speaker 1>is that we as the consumer want this because we

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<v Speaker 1>want it because it is convenient. We want technologies that

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<v Speaker 1>are passive. We don't necessarily want to click buttons. We

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<v Speaker 1>want technologies that are intelligent enough to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>help us make decisions. Right. I mentioned earlier about anticipation,

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge with convenience, and convenience typically goes against the

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<v Speaker 1>grain of security and privacy to some degree. If we

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<v Speaker 1>really want a mother, uh, kind of anticipating our needs,

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<v Speaker 1>what we want for lunch, where we want to go

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<v Speaker 1>for travel, you get. You get. The negative of having

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<v Speaker 1>your parent with you after you've kind of left for

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<v Speaker 1>university or or left for the office, is that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them intruding too many places or too much

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<v Speaker 1>about you. You want to keep certain parts of your

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<v Speaker 1>life separate. And the reality is is that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>trade off around here. So you know, I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a consumer drive towards this. It's just that

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<v Speaker 1>we are not necessarily always prepared because there's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a lag or a delay before the consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>having this convenience are fully made aware are aware to us.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of the responsibility of who cares about this,

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<v Speaker 1>we as consumers obviously care about it. You know. The

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<v Speaker 1>companies like Google and Amazon obviously you know, they would

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<v Speaker 1>argue that by personalizing service to you, they are giving

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<v Speaker 1>you this convenience. But the reality is it's really up

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<v Speaker 1>to their best efforts or what they think is the

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<v Speaker 1>right combination of privacy and security for now. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason for that is the regulators take time to catch up.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't necessarily know the latest, they didn't attend Google Io,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't know necessarily know how to react or respond.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's always gonna be this this lag between what

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<v Speaker 1>the consumers want, what the companies are able to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>in response to that need, and then what the regulators

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<v Speaker 1>are able to introduce in terms of a balance in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of rules and regulations. Uh And in this produal

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<v Speaker 1>case in around privacy and security, and I would argue

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<v Speaker 1>that the companies have it in their best interests to

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<v Speaker 1>handle this as carefully as possible for multiple reasons. One,

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<v Speaker 1>like you've just pointed out. If they do not, then

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<v Speaker 1>that means that you're going to get that that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of tick talk effect, the tick being that they take

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<v Speaker 1>a certain approach, the talk being that regulations are following

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<v Speaker 1>because if there's any mishandling, especially of a of a

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic scale, then there's going to be a harsh response

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<v Speaker 1>further down the line, and it doesn't behoove the companies

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<v Speaker 1>to to uh invite that in alsobviously, if they do

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<v Speaker 1>not prove to be responsible with that data, that reflects

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<v Speaker 1>poorly on them from a consumer standpoint as well, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>lose customers. So it's not as if there's no incentive

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>on the company's part to be careful, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time they want to be able to leverage that

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<v Speaker 1>data uh to to make as good use of it

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. I've often said on this show that if

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<v Speaker 1>you look around and you realize that the service you

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<v Speaker 1>are using doesn't cost you anything, that essentially that means

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<v Speaker 1>that you yourself are the product and that what you

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 1>are doing is generating value for another entity out there,

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>for example like Google, where you're using Google Search and

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>then turn is generating value for Google. You yourself are

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>are the probably being sold to other companies. So it's

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things where it's the balance between

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the desire to provide this service and to make um,

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, revenue off of of of something beyond just

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>selling a device like the Google Home device, and making

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>certain that you don't alienate your consumer base or invite

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>particularly restrictive regulations. UH. To that end. Of course, in

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the United States, it's one story. In other parts of

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the world, there are different views of privacy and security,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>some of which go well beyond what is typically seen

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 1>here in the US. Do you think the device do

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you think Google Home and things like Amazon's Echo, do

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>you think those are going to have different levels of

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>acceptance in different parts of the world? And where do

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>you think might be a case for this is probably

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be a big success in one place. We've

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>heard that Amazon Niccho has been a pretty big success

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>so far, versus a market where it may not be. Yeah, Well,

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you've seen even things like credit card adoption differ from

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>country to country, um, just because there are different kind

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of cut cultural kind of mores around credit around potential

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>privacy implications, UM in terms of no kind of a

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>transaction and kind of the origins and so forth. UM.

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And so you've seen this in Europe in particular, right,

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>So not all countries in Europe are equally predisposed to

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>using credit cards as we are in the US. So yeah,

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I think there definitely will be different cultural adoption. Um.

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>But you know, at the end of the day, like

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>you you mentioned rightly, a lot of these companies, it's

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in their interest to do a good job because we

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>we as consumers, only tend to shop from people we trust.

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>The challenges, of course, is that we will sometimes wonder,

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>just like you are right here in terms of this interview,

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, what are the implications. You know, you could

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>very quickly go from a situation that appears like having

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>your mother around all of you around you too, having

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a situation we're having big brother around you, uh in

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of sense in the Orwellian sense where something is

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>so aware of every facet about your life, but maybe

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>they just know a little bit too much. Uh. And

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>so you know, we're kind of entering that phase. Right.

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>We've we've historically had a you places that we weren't

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>necessarily connected to, right and our home with the exception

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>obviously of our PCs and our phones have not been connected.

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>They've been into some degree of thanks groupe, we sit

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>down for dinner. Um, we're not connected to the net.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think what this revelation is making people aware

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of is that, uh, kind of in the future, there'll

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>be very very few places left, um that are not networked,

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>where our activities are not kind of transponding or transmitting

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>or telegraphing kind of our activities. Uh. And you know,

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>it will take time for people to adjust, and as

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier, it will not it won't just be

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>about consumers and kind of buyers, but also you know,

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the governments will have a say, and as you pointed out,

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, in certain places the governments have already had

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to say around privacy, like in Europe with the introduction

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of the General Data Protection Regulation UM to better protect consumers.

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I think we're all going to become a lot more

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>sensitive to the privacy implications of always being online. And

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that we're seeing that as well, just you know,

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>in other areas of technology. Just recently, there was uh,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>these reports coming out about the FBI's database of biometric

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>data and the concerns people have about that and even

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting questions like do I do I own my own face?

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Should I shouldn't I have access to data about me?

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>And this again, you know, we're in a world where

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>our technology is pervasive, and in many ways that is amazing.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It is giving us an almost seamless experience of having

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>our desires catered to before we can even give thought

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to them. That is the big promise of the Internet

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>of things, and I love that idea. It is something

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that really appeals to me. On the flip side, you

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>start to realize that you're regular actions are creating data,

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and that data does in fact have value, different value

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to different entities out there, and so having these sort

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of technologies inviting them in. Once you have reconciled this

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>idea and you realize that, uh, that this is going on,

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>then you can start to make those strategies. How is

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the was the best way of handling that both on

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the the end user side and on the back end side,

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>so that it is a responsible approach. That's really what

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 1>what your company is looking into, right, the idea of

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>security and and helping companies protect uh customer data. Yeah,

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>so that's actually kind of very very kind of similar

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to this. I think you know, one of the things,

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.479
<v Speaker 1>um you were kind of touching upon is this kind

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.959
<v Speaker 1>of expectation of organizations to do a better job of

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>safeguarding your information, essentially being responsible custodians of your data.

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>The challenge for most companies UM, you know, maybe with

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>with less sophistication than a Google, but maybe even Google,

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>is that they collect so much information about you, and

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>they collected it's so many different places and so many applications.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't necessarily mean that all that information is tied together,

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>but you are leaving digital footprints across organizations and so

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>these these companies are essentially becoming large data collection points

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's hard for you as a consumer to know

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.479
<v Speaker 1>exactly what digital footprints you've left. You want to know

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>what assets you've left with them and believe it or not. UM.

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you think about accounting and how companies

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>are expensed, expected to have responsible UM tools in place

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to track how much revenue comes in, how that money

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>is getting dispersed, who it's paying. So that's all about

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>accounting and financial responsibility. On the digital side, there's very

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>little of that today and that kind of the origin

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of Big I D. You could think a big I

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>D as a tool set to help big companies understand

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>where their customer information is what's at risk or potentially

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>at risk, either in terms of breach or in terms

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 1>of misuse UH and then how to better understand how

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that information is getting used in the organization, either to

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>help ensure that it's compliant with regulations or secondly that

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>it's complied with their own kind of privacy rules, their

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>own consent agreements that they've created between themselves and their consumers.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that this idea of a ledger

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>or accounting software for privacy information doesn't as yet exist,

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and I think increasingly, just given the number of digital

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>touchpoints that we have with the companies we interact with,

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>um that it's going to be certainly a future requirement.

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really interesting, and I'm thankful that there

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>are organizations like yours that are looking into this to

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>try and create those best practic This is because, as

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>we've seen recently, it's scholarship has shown it takes very

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>few data points to be able to link some information

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to a specific person, and I think a lot of

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 1>companies out there may not even be aware of the

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>implications of some of the data they're collecting, not through

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>any sort of of maliciousness. It simply is, as you

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>point out, there's so many of these little digital touch

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>points that you cannot necessarily anticipate what the consequences are

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>from the from the very beginning. And uh, it's amazing

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>to me to think that this is going on everywhere,

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and and it's it's a it's a snowball that's already

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>going down the hill. It's just going to keep on going.

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 1>It's very reassuring to hear that there are people actively

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking about these and trying these issues and trying to

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>find the best ways of handling that kind of information

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>so that we don't have uh any or we can

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>avoid as many chaotic moments of absolute failure as possible. Well, again,

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people assume that big companies

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>are actively pursuing the collection and selling of all of

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the data, and that's not the case. Across the board,

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>there are companies that are collecting a great deal of

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>data in the pursuit of whatever business they do, but

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not through the it's not necessarily with an intent

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>to do anything uh, you know, commercial with that information.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>But knowing this makes it easier for those companies to

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>be more responsible and uh, and also to maybe even

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>get to a point where they change up their practices

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 1>so that they're only collecting the points of data that

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>are relevant to their business. Yeah, well, look, certainly that's

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the intent of big ideas to help companies be more

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>responsible around their digital assets, the customer assets, which you

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>could argue are probably the most important assets. You know.

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you've heard people talk about employees, and you know

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 1>your your most important assets are your employees, and they

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 1>walk out the door every every night. Well, your customers

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>are pretty valuable too, because if they if they stop

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>patronizing you, your business suffers, and their loyalty increasingly is

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>very thickle. So if they don't have confidence that you

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>are protecting their personal information, they're kind of digital digital

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>footprints don't go somewhere else. They'll go to somebody that

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>does take better care of that, which again is why

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>it kind of makes sense to have uh technology that

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>gives organizations better, better tooling to track, manage, protect those

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>digital personal assets. About digital information that represents kind of

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>who you are, where you live, where you've been, what

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.959
<v Speaker 1>you like when you're going on vacation, et cetera. Now,

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I've got a question for you personally, which is that,

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 1>are you at a point where you would adopt a

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>technology such as Amazon Echo or Google Home or would

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you personally wait a little longer or you know, where

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>do you stand on that? Because I can tell you

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>being aware of these issues, I guess it's only fair

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that I answered my own question being aware of these

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>issues and and being cognizant of them. I I'm still

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>leaning towards getting one, knowing what I know, and taking

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the risk in order to have the benefit. My wife

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>feels very differently about it, so that's why I do

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>not have one. But but I'm curious what, as you,

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>as an expert on this subject matter, how you feel

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>about that. Yeah, so I think there's there's two things

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that come into play. Obviously, I'm a fifteen year vetter

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in the security industry with a company focused on enterprise

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>privacy management now, so I understand some of the consequences

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and repercussions. But I'm also at heart a person that

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 1>likes technology. I as a reader of Isaac Asimov as

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a kid, Fine Land, all the kind of great science

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>fiction writers, and I realized the future is coming towards us,

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and we could either try and hide or dock or

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>we could try and embrace it and understand the consequences.

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 1>So for me personally, UM, I look at this and

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>try to understand how this technology will impact our lives

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>going forward. So I will be an embracer of the

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>technology because I think, as I said at the very beginning,

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of good, there's a lot of convenience

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that comes with it, but it's also important for me

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to understand some of the consequences by going through it firsthand,

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, if I'm you know,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm part of a team building technology to better help

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>protect customer information, then I had need to understand the

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>implications of these new home automation, car automation technologies. Excellent,

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Dmitri Saroda, thank you so much, founder and CEO of

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Big I D. You really helped me and I hope

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>my listeners understand a bit more of the implications of this.

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I realized that this sort of technology that has this

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>incredible connection to our personal lives, really a level of

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>intimacy that most technology does not have, carries with it

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>some things that can be a little worrisome. But I

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>agree with you. I think if we enter into it

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>with open eyes and we are aware of the challenges.

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not denying that challenges exist, but we are aware

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>of them. That allows us to actually overcome those challenges

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.479
<v Speaker 1>and reap the benefits of this really powerful tool. Thank

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on the show and talking

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>with us. My pleasure. Care. I think it's really important

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to remember that Mr Sirota actually said we should embrace technology,

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>but do so in a way where we're aware of

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the consequences and we are doing our best to mitigate

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>any negative fallout from this technology moving forward. We shouldn't

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>deny it, we shouldn't try to stop it, but we

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 1>should definitely be responsible with the way we develop it

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>and the way that we use it. Potential Really, it

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<v Speaker 1>has the capacity to make our lives easier. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine being able to handle everything by by just shifting

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<v Speaker 1>it over to your personal assistant who lives everywhere. You

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<v Speaker 1>can access that personal assistant wherever you might be through

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<v Speaker 1>whatever computer or smartphone or standalone device you happen to

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<v Speaker 1>have at your disposal at that place, and access all

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<v Speaker 1>of that those features, everything from entertainment to handling travel

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff that you want taking care of that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily want to attend to yourself, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>save that time to do something else. That's a really

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<v Speaker 1>cool idea, And I love the promise of digital assistance,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that we will slowly get towards this future

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<v Speaker 1>where the technology around us anticipates what we need before

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<v Speaker 1>we can give voice to it. I love that thought

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea that that my life just becomes sort

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<v Speaker 1>of magical as a result, because the technology is shifting

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<v Speaker 1>things to my whim before I can even voice what

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<v Speaker 1>that whim is, before I might even be aware there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whim. I could be whim less. I'm done saying whim.

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<v Speaker 1>In future episodes, I'm going to take a closer look

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<v Speaker 1>at what makes these technologies tick and the potential they

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<v Speaker 1>have to change the way we interact with the world

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