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Speaker 1: Welcome on and all to the hem A Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and

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Speaker 1: wherever you are listening, you are having a great week

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Speaker 1: so far. We are in the midst of the first

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Speaker 1: official week of the off season and it has been

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Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. Not so far any big significant unexpected

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Speaker 1: moves for the Braves, but as has already been discussed

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Speaker 1: a great episode from Brad Roland and Scott Coleman, the

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Speaker 1: Braves have their new manager. Walt Weiss is the new

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Speaker 1: leader of the Braves and the course with that there's

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Speaker 1: going to be additional coaches added to the staff, some

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Speaker 1: folks leaving, some folks coming in, plus a little bit

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Speaker 1: more known about Walt Weiss when it comes to what

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Speaker 1: really went into the decision of a giving what Weiss

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Speaker 1: the job and some early offseason decisions already made by

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Speaker 1: the Braves. Add more in this episode of the hum

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Speaker 1: A Territory Podcast. And hey, you're discussing with me as

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Speaker 1: always one of the best when it comes to cover

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Speaker 1: in the Braves. My podcast partner, my friend Steven Tolber.

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy, Yeah, man, it's been it's been We

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Speaker 2: we figured it was gonna start as a pretty busy week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of as soon as the World

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Speaker 2: Series ended, like it just felt like we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: these announcements before Thursday's five pm deadline when you can

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Speaker 2: start signing players. I just really did not believe the

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Speaker 2: Braves had any interest in dragging this thing out. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about what weiss. Obviously, Brad Scott did

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Speaker 2: the show last night breaking or yeah, last night or

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Speaker 2: the first time, Sean and I are gonna give our

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Speaker 2: opinions on what we think of the higher And obviously

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Speaker 2: with that, like you said, there was always gonna be

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Speaker 2: some sort of coaching turnover. And that's the announcement we

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Speaker 2: got today. That was kind of the the catalyst for

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Speaker 2: why we're doing a show tonight. We got these new

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Speaker 2: coaching hires, we got old coaches not coming back, some

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Speaker 2: notable ones. All that together with some news on some

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Speaker 2: options that we got today, it just felt like it's

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Speaker 2: best to do a show tonight so that we can

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Speaker 2: save tomorrow's show for anything that happens on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so let's get right into it because you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that at times, you know, when you see

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Speaker 1: a manager hired, Okay, the additional coaching staff announcements may

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Speaker 1: not seem like that big of a deal, but when

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Speaker 1: it comes to a Brave coaching staff that is basically

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Speaker 1: seeing very little change over nearly a decade, that makes

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Speaker 1: these moves a bit more significant, not only in terms

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Speaker 1: And so, as we've discussed for weeks now, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest questions beyond who was going to

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Speaker 1: much excess of the Braves pitching coach, would he be back?

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Speaker 1: And the news that came today after it was announced

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Speaker 1: will not be returning as the Braves pitching coach. Now

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Speaker 1: some were speculated perhaps such retirement, what have you, but

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Speaker 1: he will not be returning as the Braves pitching coach. Also,

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Speaker 1: Freddy Gonzalez confirmed, I believe today or yesterday he won't

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Speaker 1: be returning as the Braves' third base coach. So it's

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Speaker 1: clearly some openings became available once Walt Weiss was named

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Speaker 1: the manager. In response to that, though, Stephen, we know

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Speaker 1: that those two longtime members of the Braves organization, they'll

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Speaker 1: who the Braves would look to fill that role, especially

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Speaker 1: when it came to pitching coach, and they announced that

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Speaker 1: the fact, Yes, keeping Cranits would have been the best

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you missed the news, the Braves announced

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Speaker 2: today that Jeremy Hefner, who was the Mets pitching coach,

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Speaker 2: Earlier in the offseason, there was some speculation that maybe

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Speaker 2: He's just really highly regarded as a as a really

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Speaker 2: Braves also got their first base coach, Anshwin Richardson from

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a big deal. And Kranit's not

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Speaker 2: It's a big deal too, if you're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: So that was a really good hire. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, And you know, it's hard at times to really

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Speaker 1: the most encouraging thing Steven is that you know, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the base running had really slipped and

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Speaker 2: you know, the first space coach is never as big

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a big part of it, of course,

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Speaker 2: And so this hire of somebody who was this highly

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Speaker 1: those candidates were as strong is initially was thought, and

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Speaker 1: they wound up going with the best perchain. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's what Alex and Topless kept saying, we went with

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Speaker 1: the best person, and so I think that's true. I

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Speaker 1: think there's some truth to it. So again, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really come down to Weiss. I think it's fine, especially

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Speaker 1: if he is loved in the clubhouse, which it seems

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Speaker 1: that's the case. It's just that I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: more opportunity for the Braves to be in sync when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the how they go about doing some

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Speaker 1: of these decisions. And you have to hope that's the

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Speaker 1: case this offseason where we really need to make the

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Speaker 1: right decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, you know, it was kind of braves

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Speaker 2: Way higher. It was a guy that's tied to Bobby,

445
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Speaker 2: guy that's tied to Snit, you know, and this is

446
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Speaker 2: kind of what they do. And I'm not telling people

447
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Speaker 2: that they shouldn't have been underwhelmed by it. I was

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Speaker 2: underwhelmed by it. I'm not telling people it's not a

449
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Speaker 2: boring higher. I think it is a boring higher. But

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Speaker 2: the thing about the Braves Way stuff is annoying as

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Speaker 2: it is, is one thing that is inarguable is the

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Speaker 2: Braves Way is tied to a lot of winning. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm a Falcons fan, I'm a Hawks fan.

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Speaker 2: You know. As a kid, I adopted Atlanta sports as

455
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Speaker 2: a pretty young kid, so I followed all three most

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Speaker 2: of my life. When the Falcons and the Hawks talk

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Speaker 2: about their culture, people laugh because the only thing those

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Speaker 2: two franchises have ever done is lose or at the

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Speaker 2: very most be mediocre. The Braves, all they've done is

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Speaker 2: win for the majority of my life, and that's pretty much,

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Speaker 2: you know, since Bobby showed up whenever he started managing

462
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Speaker 2: late eighties, early nineties. I can't remember the exact year,

463
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Speaker 2: but basically for the last thirty five years, this is

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Speaker 2: a franchise that's built on winning. They are like a

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Speaker 2: model franchise in this sport. They are revered that you know,

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Speaker 2: every time one of these polls comes out about who

467
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Speaker 2: do you want to play for? What team do you

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Speaker 2: want to play for, Braves are always near the top,

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Speaker 2: like this is not the Falcons in the Hawks and

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Speaker 2: so yes, the Bravesway stuff does get a little tiresome

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Speaker 2: at times, but at the very least you have to

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Speaker 2: admit the Braves Way has done a lot of winning

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Speaker 2: and Brian Snicker was a Braves Way higher. You know what,

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Speaker 2: Brian Snicker did a lot of winning. If if what

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Speaker 2: weiss over the next seven years goes to the playoffs

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Speaker 2: seven straight times, and wins a World Series. You know what,

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Speaker 2: this higher was a Grand Slam higher. So and listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm as guilty of it as anybody. The bravesway stuff

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Speaker 2: gets old. It feels like stuck in the past. It

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Speaker 2: feels like, you know, old heads kind of sticking their

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Speaker 2: nose in and exerting more influence than they should. But

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Speaker 2: you can't argue with the results the Braves have had

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Speaker 2: over the last thirty five years where they win a

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Speaker 2: ton and so you know, I'm not gonna tell them

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Speaker 2: that how they're doing it doesn't work because it's worked,

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Speaker 2: and I understand the last two years have not gone

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Speaker 2: the way the Braves want. And if you if you

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Speaker 2: zoom in enough, you can see cracks in the foundation

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Speaker 2: where maybe some change was needed. And I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: argue that, But if you zoom out a little further,

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Speaker 2: you see that overall it's a franchise that does pretty

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Speaker 2: damn well. And so I'm gonna give what wh's a chance?

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Speaker 2: I think? I again, I did not love the hire.

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Speaker 2: I was not inspired by it. It was very boring,

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Speaker 2: it was it was underwhelming, it was but none of

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Speaker 2: that means it was the wrong hire and hiring a new, young,

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Speaker 2: analytically minded guy doesn't mean you're gonna get the right higher.

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Speaker 2: You know, Gabe Kapler is like exhibit a of like

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Speaker 2: that doesn't always work either. So I'm gonna give what

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Speaker 2: why's a chance. I know the players respect him, and

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Speaker 2: I know they're gonna play hard for him, And honestly,

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Speaker 2: that's that's eighty percent of the battle right there, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see how he does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, muted, now that you hate. Hey, it's been a

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Speaker 1: while since that happened. So you know what, we're We're

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Speaker 1: here for better days than to start a new stream.

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Speaker 1: The one I was making was was that this decision

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Speaker 1: is now made, and you're supporting it with good decisions

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Speaker 1: on your coaching staff. That means that you can fully

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Speaker 1: focus on the more important opportunity at hand, and that

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Speaker 1: is making the most of the roster, and that is

512
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Speaker 1: making decisions when it comes to the roster. And the

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Speaker 1: Braves have done exactly that. Nothing significant or unexpected as

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Speaker 1: of yet, but they have made a few decisions so

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Speaker 1: far this week when it comes to the roster. A

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Speaker 1: bit more on that in just a moment here on

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast. So, Stephen, obviously you know, we

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Speaker 1: know that Alexanthopolis typically likes to do some quote unquote

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Speaker 1: heavy lifting at the beginning of every off season, and

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Speaker 1: nothing of you know, notable or unexpected or significant in

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Speaker 1: terms of un addition as of yet. But you've also

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Speaker 1: got to get the you know, formal processes out of

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Speaker 1: the way, the ones where you know you've got to

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to feel like you've got to

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Speaker 1: check boxes that have to be checked first before you

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Speaker 1: get into the boxes that you want to check. And

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is picking up team options,

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Speaker 1: dealing with declimbing team options, you know, releasing players from

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Speaker 1: the forty men roster. We discussed that on Sunday. But

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Speaker 1: one thing that does come up tomorrow is that the

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Speaker 1: Braves did have a couple of decisions when it came

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Speaker 1: to club options, and they have made those decisions. Again,

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Speaker 1: all of this was fully expected, but it is notable

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Speaker 1: that the Braves have already gone ahead and made decisions

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Speaker 1: on some noteworthy pieces of our noteworthy players on their

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Speaker 1: team for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, John Hammond reported tonight, if you missed it,

538
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Speaker 2: that the Braves are picking up Chris Sales eighteen million

539
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Speaker 2: dollars option. It's the least surprising news of all time.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I wasn't sure on is if we

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Speaker 2: were going to get an extension versus just a picking

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Speaker 2: up of the option, because is obviously twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: is Chris's last year under team control, and this is

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Speaker 2: the time where, you know, if you think back to

545
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Speaker 2: the Charlie Mortons of Travis Darnault's of the world, the veterans,

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Speaker 2: they often sign these extensions right around now, and so

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Speaker 2: the only question I had with Sale was not if

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Speaker 2: they're going to pick up the option. They obviously were,

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Speaker 2: is where they going to get an you know, are

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Speaker 2: we going to get an extension announcement? And we still

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Speaker 2: could picking up the option now doesn't exclude them from

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Speaker 2: from doing an extension later on in the off season.

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Speaker 2: So we got that from Hayman and we'll get that

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Speaker 2: official announcement tomorrow. And then Alex actually went on radio,

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Speaker 2: which is weird for him. I don't He's normally doesn't

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Speaker 2: just go on radio and just say this is what

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Speaker 2: we're doing. Usually lets the official announcement do the talking.

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Speaker 2: But he did go on radio today and say they

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Speaker 2: are definitively picking up Ozzie Alvi's seven million dollar option

560
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Speaker 2: as well. Again not a huge surprise. It's a seven

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Speaker 2: minute our option with a four minutar buyout. The math is,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty easy there, especially when Ozzy kind

563
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Speaker 2: of rebounded in the second half and now we get

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Speaker 2: into the option years with Ozzy's contract, the guaranteed portion

565
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Speaker 2: of his contract is over, and so he's got a

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Speaker 2: couple options on the back end of this thing. They're

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Speaker 2: picking up the seven million. We got whispers that they

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Speaker 2: are picking up Kenley's option. I haven't heard anything on

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Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson's option yet. That's probably the one that, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll pick it up, but that's probably the

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Speaker 2: one where you could if you wanted to read the

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Speaker 2: tea leaves, and maybe there might be one surprise like

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Speaker 2: last year with Darnault. Maybe it's Pierce Johnson. We'll find

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Speaker 2: out tomorrow by five PM when all these decisions have

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Speaker 2: to be made. So yeah, we got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of news ahead, and we're gonna do a show tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night as well, kind of talking about all the stuff

578
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Speaker 2: that happens, because there could be a number of moves

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Speaker 2: tomorrow all across the league and so we'll do another

580
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Speaker 2: show tomorrow recapping all this stuff. Just wanted to lay

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Speaker 2: out the kind of the baseline stuff we got today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another small tidbit that was out there today on

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Speaker 1: Former Brave now. And it's kind of odd to say,

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Speaker 1: but former Braves closer Rice e Iglesias, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was reported that there, you know, is definitely interest across

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Speaker 1: the league in him, especially with how strongly he ended

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Speaker 1: last year. This includes the brains. It seems that Eglesias

588
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Speaker 1: may be looking for a two year contract. I've seen

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Speaker 1: many opinions across Braves country. I share those opinions. If

590
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Speaker 1: Ryce sol Iglesias wants a two year contract from twenty

591
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Speaker 1: to between twenty and twenty five million, I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: That is a bad way to go.

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Speaker 1: I think there is some I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of risk in that turning into a valuable contract.

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Speaker 1: So that certainly is noteworthy. The Braves have kind of

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Speaker 1: been tied when it comes to free agent predictions to

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Speaker 1: a Glacius or a Devin Williams or a Suarez from

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Speaker 1: San Diego. So it does appear that many think that

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Speaker 1: they will, you know, spend significantly on a closer. But

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Speaker 1: if that's bringing back ryceel Iglesias, I don't think it's

601
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Speaker 1: a bad move, and it does seem like that there

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Speaker 1: could be mutual interest from both sides, especially with the

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Speaker 1: fact that Lycias is focused on a short term deal.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and the Brains are going to get a high

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Speaker 2: leverage reliever at some point. So it's just kinda on

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Speaker 2: who the name is and what the contract is. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: just as a reminder, tomorrow five pm deadline, all the

608
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Speaker 2: options have to be decided on. We will get a

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Speaker 2: Braves blue box tweet that says we've picked up the

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Speaker 2: options on Chris Sale, Ozzie Alb's, Tyler Kinley. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what they do on Pierce Johnson. Also tomorrow, all the

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Speaker 2: sixty day oh guys have to be put back on

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Speaker 2: the forty man roster. So I think the Braves still

614
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Speaker 2: have to clear one more roster spot. They released Nathan

615
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Speaker 2: Wilds on Monday, which cleared one of the forty minion spots.

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Speaker 2: They got one more to do tomorrow. They'll do that

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Speaker 2: at some point, or make a trade. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways they can do it. We'll see what they

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Speaker 2: do and yeah, so yeah, just a reminder, the five pm,

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Speaker 2: five pm Eastern deadline is tomorrow to get all the

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Speaker 2: options in, all your injured guys back on the forty

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Speaker 2: Sean and I will be back tomorrow to talk about

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Speaker 2: anything that happens. We'll probably hold off and record a

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Speaker 2: little later or probably the same time we're recording tonight,

625
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Speaker 2: just to make sure we don't miss anything. But we

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Speaker 2: will have a show tomorrow recapping what should be a

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Speaker 2: busy day around baseball tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Mhm. So, Stephen, I know this is a brace podcast

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Speaker 1: and and and and you know that I enjoy doing

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Speaker 1: these with you whenever we get the chance to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I've got a bone to pick with you as

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Speaker 1: we end this this episode of the Hamer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: And for those listening, Steven has no idea what I'm

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Speaker 1: about to say.

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Speaker 2: No clue this could go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: So I was on the cruise, I believe, and and

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Speaker 1: and and I'm on the cruise and I'm I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at comments that you're making and I had to do

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00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: a triple take. I looked and saw once, I looked

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Speaker 1: and saw twice, and I looked and saw a third time.

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Speaker 2: Is this are you talking about? Tweets of mine because

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00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: this could this could be anything.

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Speaker 1: Did you actually go on Twitter, slash x and openly

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Speaker 1: criticize the Remember the Titans movie?

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Speaker 2: Oh my God, have you okay? Five minute ran on

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Speaker 2: this fire?

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Speaker 1: But let me let me make sure that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to prepare myself for this. So not only did you

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Speaker 1: go on Twitter and publicly criticized one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: American establishments of cinema, that is Remember the Titans, You're

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Speaker 1: about to actually double down on, bro, You're about to

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Speaker 1: double down on.

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Speaker 2: The last game of this movie. The whole plot is

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Speaker 2: that this offense from this other team, they getting the shotgun.

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Speaker 2: They're throwing it everywhere. This this vaunted Titans defense is

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Speaker 2: just getting gashed left and right. They can't stop anybody.

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Speaker 2: Denzel's mad as hell because the defensive quarter they're not

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Speaker 2: getting any stops. You get to halftime, it's seven to nothing.

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Speaker 2: They gave up one touchdown on the first drive of

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Speaker 2: the game. I just I never noticed it before. It's

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Speaker 2: just hysterical to me. They came out at half. Denzel's

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Speaker 2: he puts the quarterback on defense because they need to

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Speaker 2: make all these defensive adjustments. They gave up one touchdown

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Speaker 2: the whole game. Meanwhile, they scored zero points in the

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Speaker 2: first half. Hey, Denzel, we gotta score some points, buddy.

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Speaker 2: That's a massive that's a massive plot hole. I never

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Speaker 2: noticed before my kids were watching it. I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, the defensive coordinator comes in, He's like, I

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Speaker 2: need help. Ed Henry's kicking my ass. It's like, bro,

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Speaker 2: it's seven nothing. You gave up seven. You gave up

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Speaker 2: a touchdown on the first drive of the game. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is stuff we talked about in the officite. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it just it annoyed me. I thought Denzel needed to

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Speaker 2: take some accountability. They had zero points on the board.

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Speaker 1: You're the type of guy who watches The Lord of

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Speaker 1: the Rings and the first thought that comes to your

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Speaker 1: mind is why didn't need was just fly them to Mordor.

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Speaker 1: You're that type of guy, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: I am the type of guy that watches movies and

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Speaker 2: picks out plot holes. Yeah, I'm not the I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't have a lot of friends for a reason.

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Speaker 1: So it's for dramatic purposes, my friend, It's not meant

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Speaker 1: for you to take away from watching what was one

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Speaker 1: of the fis needs to a sports be I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Ed Henry's offense in nineteen seventy one was an absence.

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Speaker 2: They scored seven points. Ed Henry's kicking my eye. You

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Speaker 2: gave up seven points? Whatever, all right, we gotta go.

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Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy one, and it's remember the Titans.

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Speaker 1: You do not criticize or remember the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Remember how terrible the Titans offense was. That's what it

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Speaker 2: should have been called.

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Speaker 1: You criticized the twenty twenty five Tennessee Titans. You don't criticize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of similarities.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you don't criticize. Remember the title. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna endo the show until there's an apology.

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Speaker 2: I'm not apologizing. That was a great take. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to retreat that take just so everybody can see it.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: I just had to get that off my chance. Regardless.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining this edition of the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory Podcast. That's what we do on the Hammer

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Speaker 1: Territory Podcast. We're going to talk braids from coaching staff

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Speaker 1: to roster and things such as that. But when one

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Speaker 1: of us, when one of us goes out of their

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Speaker 1: way to have an outlandish opinion that nobody should have

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Speaker 1: it deserves to be discussed further. All kidding, the side

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Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for joining us here on the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory Podcast. We are so excited that the off

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Speaker 1: season is finally here and nearly every episode now will

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Speaker 1: either be breaking down some type of potential when we

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Speaker 1: remove what have you that the Braves will be making

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Speaker 1: all the way up through and into next year. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be an exciting time. I understand those that

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Speaker 1: may be a bit skeptical with how last offseason went,

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Speaker 1: but it really feels like that, you know, hey, everybody

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Speaker 1: kind of realized the pressure is on. Stuff needs to

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Speaker 1: be done, So we're going to have you covered here.

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