1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For those of you that 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: have a family at home. When you walk in the 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: door and nobody's in the kitchen, nobody's in the dan 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: nobody's in the bedrooms, nobody's in the front yard, the backyard, 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the back court, nothing, and suddenly you know something is very, 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: very wrong. That's exactly what happened to Keith Peppini when 7 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: he walked in the front door. Listen nine one one 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: is Hello, Can I help you? Yeah? So I just 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: got home from work and my wife wasn't there, which 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: is unusual, and my kids should have been there by now, 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: from like daycare. So I was like, oh, maybe she 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: went on a walk. I couldn't find her, so I 13 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: called the daycare to see what times she picked up 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: the kids. The kids were never picked up, so I 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: got freaked out. So I hit like to find my 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: phone apping and it said that her. It showed her 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: phone like at our end of our driveway. Who wouldn't 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: have really good service. Okay, not the end of our driveway, 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: at the end of our street, but just drove down 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: there and I saw her phone with her headphones because 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: she started running again and it's down her phone it's 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: got like hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones. 23 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: So I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody was like, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: what's her thanking? Someone grabbed her. Now take a listen 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: to our cut one from Channel seven k R c R. 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: Keith Poppini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry Poppini, 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. In normal days, I would 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: open the door and my families comes and runs and 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: gives me a hug. But there were no welcoming hugs. 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: So he searched in the house and their property, but 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: learned the children were still at daycare. He found Sherry's 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: phone down the street. That's when I knew she'd been, 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: in my opinion, taken or abducted. Now days later, family, friends, 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: the community, and law enforcement are still looking for Sherry. 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: thing ever. Time going by slowly and their children don't 37 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: know their mother is missing. It's hard waiting. You know, 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: you're waiting. You're waiting for a phone call, You're waiting 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: for something to tell us. You know, this is the direction, 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: or this is the house, or this is the car, 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: and that is that is very difficult right now, but 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Keith is determined to find her. She was listening and 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to say that we're trying the best we 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: can and I'm so sorry that I'm not there. The 45 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: family believes she was abducted and has this message, bring 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: her home, Bring her home. Does bring her home? In 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: the last hour studying developments in the case of missing 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: moms Sherry Peppini, and we all know that Peppini was 49 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: on a very tight schedule that she never missed picking 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: up her children. Take a listen to her sister in law, 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini a cup five. There's no way she would 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: do anything to disrupt her children's routine, you know that, 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: being that the phone was found and she wasn't on 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: her routine there, Yeah, there's no way she wouldn't have 55 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: gone and picked up the children. They're on they're on 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: a very tight schedule and she's extremely close with them. 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: She's here with them every day gardening and doing projects, 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: and there's there's just no way that she would take off. 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: It's terrible. She's an incredible human being, best mom I've 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: ever seen. You're hearing the sister in law, Suzanne Peppini 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: speaking I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 63 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. Sherry Peppini a name that echoes 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: and echoes and echo. She's been in the news so much. 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: With me and All Star panel to make sense of 66 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: what we know right now. Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor, highly 67 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: respected attorney, author of The Executioner's Toll, Doctor Angela Arnold 68 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: Saki just joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at 69 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, MD dot com. Mona Kay private investigator at 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Mona Kate Investigations, joining us out of Omaha. Emmy Award 71 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: winning investigative reporter Christy Missouri and special guests joining us. 72 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Sheriff Michael Johnson the Shasta County's Sheriff's Office to Sheriff 73 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Michael Johnson, this case has been hanging around the Sheriff's office. 74 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Nick an Albatrosso to speak Sheriff Michael Johnson, familiar with 75 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the extensive search for Sheriff Peppini, take a listen to 76 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: the Shasta County Sheriff pressor the deputies last night when 77 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: they responded, they conducted a search of the area in 78 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Kanvas area with local neighbors and residents there and they 79 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: worked throughout the night and into the early morning hours 80 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: along with Shasta County Sheriff investigators as well. They were 81 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: also able to utilize the Reach helicopter as the HP 82 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: Air Operations helicopter was not available, and the Reach helicopter 83 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: came out and illuminated the area and checked to the 84 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: fields inside of the roads for her and assisting us 85 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: in the search operations last night. They also used search 86 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: canines for scent work. Local area hospitals were checked and 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: of course the sides of the roadways were checked as well. 88 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: Miss Peppini has been entered into a national computer permissing persons. 89 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: She is considered at risk due to the suspicious circumstances. 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: To Sheriff Michael Johnson joining us with Shasta County Sheriff's Office, 91 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: it's a real honor and privilege to have you with us, Sheriff. 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking time away from your extremely busy 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: schedule to be with us, Sheriff. You guys went all 94 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: out and your search for Sherry Peppini. Explain what your 95 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: search entailed. Yeah, Nancy, there was three really different parts 96 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: to this investigation and when you were talking about the search, 97 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: that's really like what we call the phase one of 98 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the investigation. She went missing and immediately you heard there 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: was several different resources deployed to find her. The location 100 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: of Sherry Peppini was absolutely the first phase where we 101 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: just want to times never on your side when somebody 102 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: goes missing, So the sooner you can locate them or 103 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: get a lead on locating them, the better chances you 104 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: are recovering that personal lives. So there was allied agencies 105 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: asked to lend us resources and most of those resources 106 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: were and personnel. As you heard, we had dogs, we 107 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: had helicopters, we had everything and all out search and 108 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: the community a community even joined in, you know, printing 109 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: flyers and volunteer people coming out and looking for her. 110 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: It was an all would effort to find Sherry. At 111 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: the beginning, I remember exactly how this whole thing went down, 112 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and the Sheriff's office and other agencies spared no resources 113 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: trying to find Sherry Peppini. And what I hear about 114 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: the helicopter on most people have never seen in real life, 115 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: but you've seen in the movies, the helicopter flying close 116 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: to the ground overhead, which you know, helicopters can be 117 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: a pretty risky mode of transportation, but if you've got 118 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: to do it, you gotta do it. But in a 119 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: suburban area, looking for her, flying over phone wires and 120 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: cell phone towers, looking for her at night with a 121 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: light shining down. Describe how that works, Sheriff. Yeah, it's 122 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, they have infrared technology. They have a lot 123 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: of different high ends technology that goes into this, not 124 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: just in the helicopter, but on the ground as well. 125 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: There's there's efforts, there's people wearing night vision, there's everything, 126 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: all all expensive pay to locate this woman. And that's 127 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: the That's one of the keys here, Nancy, is when 128 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about the exhausting efforts of all the 129 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: agencies into this initial search and throughout this investigation, and 130 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: the resources and time and money spent on this all 131 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: to find out in the end that it's a fraud. 132 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: It's very frustrating. And one thing I should tell you also, 133 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: and to remember that during the time Sherry Peppini went missing, 134 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: I was actually the neighboring police chief at the time, 135 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: I was not the sheriff, so I was lending resources 136 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: from my department to the Sheriff's office in the attempt 137 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: to find Sherry, so everybody was involved and now to 138 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: find out it's nothing but a big fat lie. I mean, 139 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: this woman knows no bounds and her lies. Take a 140 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: listen to our cut eight Alison Sutton, a motorist whose 141 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: spots the missing mom on the side of the road. 142 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: I saw a blonde woman standing in like that V 143 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: shaped area that gets created between the right shoulder and 144 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: the left side of an off ramp. But I wasn't 145 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: quite sure where I was when I saw her. I 146 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: just caught a glimpse of her. The area where she 147 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: was is not well lit, so I didn't actually see 148 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: her until I was right up on her, which really 149 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: startled me. And it kind of took me a few 150 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: minutes to figure out what I'd seen, and I went 151 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: a couple of miles up the road to figure out 152 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: where until I saw a road sign so I knew 153 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: where I was. And then I hold off onto the 154 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: shoulder and I called nine one one. Have you ever 155 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: done that? You've driven by that thing? And you went whoa, whoa? 156 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: What was that? That's what Alison Sutton is telling our 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: friend Craig Melvin take a listen hour at nine. I 158 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I thought 159 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: her face was dirty, but based on what I know now, 160 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt on her 161 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: face was the bruises. But it was it was very, 162 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: very dark. I did not notice restraints. It just it 163 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: was so dark. I barely barely saw her. And like 164 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: I said, it was a flash because that area is 165 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: so dark and it was four thirty in the morning. 166 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: Called ninety one. You didn't go back after that? I 167 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: did not know. I had my fourteen year old daughter 168 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: in the car with me, and we talked about going back, 169 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: but the operator had me feeling confident that law enforcement 170 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: would take care of the person that I saw, and 171 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: so we chose to get back on the road and 172 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: keep going. Time Stories with Nancy Grace bruises to the face, 173 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: her hair cut off, filthy on the side of the road. 174 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut six of Schesta County Sheriff Pressor. 175 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: We are very ecstatic to report that Sheriff Papini has 176 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: been located and it's been reunited with her husband and family. 177 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: On this day of Thanksgiving. I'm happy to say that 178 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Sherry is now safe and she has been treated at 179 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: a area hospital outside of Shasta County and for don 180 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: life threatening injuries. At about four thirty this morning, Chaskeny 181 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office was notified that Sherry Peppini had been located. 182 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: We learned that she was released by her captor on 183 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: a rural road near I five in Yellow County. She 184 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: was bound with restraints, who was able to summon from 185 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: a passing help from a passing motorists on I five 186 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: near County Road seventeen again in about northern Yolo County. 187 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: And what we are learning now in the last hours, 188 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: Peppini admits it's all a big lie to Christy, Missouri 189 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: joining us Emmy Award winning investigative reporter. Do you remember 190 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: everybody looking for Sherry Peppini, the grid searches, the neighbors 191 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: in fear, no woman would go for a walk by herself, 192 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: on and on, and it was all a big lie, Christy, Missurich. 193 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: It was the face scene around the world on Billboard's signs. 194 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: People were donating to go fund me sites to pay 195 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: for neighborhood searches, and now, unfortunately people are having to 196 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: deal with the grim fact that this woman has now 197 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: been deemed a master manipulator. I mean, whoa take a 198 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 1: listen to our cut eighteen. This is Susie Susy Bsla. 199 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: After years of sticking to her story that she was 200 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: abducted by two women, Sherry Peppini is reportedly ready now 201 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: to come clean and admit that she faked it all. 202 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini vanished from her reading home in twenty sixteen. 203 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: Weeks later, he was found wandering along the FI Freeway, 204 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: bruised and branded. Now, at that time, she told police 205 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: two women had kidnapped and tortured her, But last month, 206 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: prosecutors charged her with making it all up. They say, 207 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: instead of being abducted, she was actually hiding out with 208 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: an ex boyfriend in Costa Mesa. And now Peppini has 209 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: reached a deal with prosecutors and will admit that she 210 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: planned the entire hoax. Her lawyer says Peppini signed a 211 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: plea deal with federal prosecutors today she will plead guilty 212 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: to lying to a federal officer and to mail fraud. 213 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: You know what joining me, Sheriff Michael Johnson. It was 214 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: the Shasta County Sheriff's office and you're then jurisdiction, and 215 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: so many others that joined together. There is no way 216 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: to count the man hours spent on finding this spoiled 217 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: brat mom of two. They goes miss thing on her 218 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: stay at home day. Both of her kids are in daycare. 219 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what she's doing all day long. She's 220 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: obviously fabricating a crime in her pink jogging suit. I 221 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: wonder if she had her hair blow dry before she 222 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: took off. But long story short, to go shack up 223 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: with her ex boyfriend for for weeks on end, starve herself, 224 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: beat herself, cut all her hair off. I'm so mad, 225 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: I could chew a nail and a half. Sheriff didn't 226 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: tell most like a supermom to me, does it to you? 227 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Oh no it doesn't, No, it doesn't. I mean, there 228 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: are plenty of times moms feel tired. They don't want 229 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: to clean the guinea pig cage, or cook dinner or 230 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: go to work. They're exhausted. But hiding in your ex 231 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: boyfriend's apartment for several weeks leading up to Thanksgiving, having 232 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: your entire family and abject that you're dead, I mean, 233 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: and what it did to the sheriffs and the local 234 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: police out in a helicopter at night, set at home 235 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: with our own families, or solving real crimes sheriff with 236 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: real victims that are suffering. Yeah, and you've hit all 237 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: the points. It's frustrating to us that, you know, at 238 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: some point we created a code, a finance code to 239 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: start tracking our resources that we had into this investigation. 240 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't till well into this investigation that that was done, 241 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: and it got up to one hundred and fifty thousand 242 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: dollars for us, just as our agency. By the time 243 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: this thing concluded, I'm sure we had well more than 244 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: that into the into the investigation. And that's not even 245 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: counting all the other agencies. And that is the frustration, Nancy, 246 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: is who we put all these this effort into Sherry 247 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: Peppini and trying to recover her and do it well 248 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: rat and chasing down false suspects and oh yeah, what 249 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: if you'd actually made an arrest. She tried to blame 250 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: it on what two Hispanic females? Yes, she sure did. 251 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: And and you know what, in the meantime all this 252 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: is going on, we have other legitimate cases that are 253 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: not getting the attention that they should are being kind 254 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: of pushed to the side because the actigency of this 255 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: circumstance are so we thought. It reminds me of Jesse Smillette, 256 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: the big race faker and his FA hate crime. At 257 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: least we knew he was alive, Okay, we didn't have 258 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: to worry that he was dead and that his children 259 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: would be left without a father to raise them. I mean, 260 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: here's another thing. It's not just the money. Mona Ka 261 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: joining me probably an investigator or Mona Ka investigation side 262 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: of Omaha Mona when used or at least me. When 263 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: I would work a case in the District Attorney's office, 264 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: I worked it. I worked it hard, out on the 265 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: street till one two o'clock in the morning, up at 266 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: five o'clock with my investigator, are trying to find witnesses 267 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: in court at eight o'clock, trying to get my evidence 268 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: lined up so there would not be any glitch in 269 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: front of the jury, riding out my direct and cross examinations. 270 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: My closing is my openings, getting the law to make 271 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: sure my evidence got in and to keep their evidence out. 272 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: Anything I could do to further justice. There was no rest, 273 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: There were no dinners out, nothing it was proved the case, 274 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: investigate the case, and by the time you're in it 275 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: you're so emotionally attached to it that anything other than 276 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: a resolution is a personal fail. I mean that's how 277 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: I looked at my cases. They were like my children 278 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: at the time, very attached to finding the truth. Yeah, 279 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: that's true. I mean you become very invested in the 280 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: cases that you work, the people you work for, you know, 281 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: her family, the community. But you work endlessly and tirelessly 282 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: day and night. Trained. You track down leads, trying to 283 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: find witnesses, locate people you know, walking through the you know, 284 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: the ditches the area, just looking for any signs yes, 285 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: and it's exhausting. Monique into you Sheriff Michael Johnson joining us, 286 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: the Chassa County sheriff, the elected sheriff, you know, sheriff. 287 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: It's not like on TV and movies or in one 288 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: scene you're covered in dirt and sweat and blood, the 289 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: next one you're like lounging in a hot tub. It's 290 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: not like that. You go days, weeks, months working a case. 291 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: I've had cases where I had to go to crack 292 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: houses with a bunch of crack addicts in there, got 293 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: a shotgun pulled on me and somebody's front porch, exhaustive 294 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: hours digging through glass shards and and syringes to try 295 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: to find a projectile from a shotgun. I mean, I 296 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: can't even tell you what criminal investigators, lawyers, and sheriffs 297 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: like yourself go through to make a case and to 298 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: think the whole time. Sherry Peppinius propped up on the 299 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: sofa at her ex boyfriend's house watching what Maury Povish, 300 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get it what she put you 301 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: guys through and our own family. It's I don't get it. Sheriff. 302 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: Why am I the only one angry here? You're not 303 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: that I do feel I do feel sorry for her 304 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: unsuspecting family, because she did do her family as well. 305 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: But when you talk about this woman had a very 306 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: elaborate deception scheme going to we and talking about the investigation, 307 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: our investigators had to chase down so many leads and 308 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: fed out so many facts across state lines at times 309 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: because she had put all these other story reason and 310 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: misdirections into place. That that's why it took so much 311 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: time in this investigation. We didn't want to falsely accuse anybody. 312 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: But as we started to unfold the mistruth to this 313 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: and her deception, we had to make sure that we 314 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: betted out every single lead, and everything you're talking about 315 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: is right. It's exhausting, mentally exhausting. Do you know how 316 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: many times that I would comment and send out please 317 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: help find Sherry Peppini and I'd read the facts. I 318 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: still got pages and pages and pages of notes and analysis, 319 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: and so much of it did not get together from me. 320 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: For instance, the fact that her cell phone was sitting 321 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: there and the earbuds were neatly folded up and just 322 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: sitting on top of her phone. And I think the 323 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: phone may have been found on top of a mailbox 324 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: or somewhere very It wasn't like thrown into the bushes. 325 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: I had so many problems with her story, But then Sheriff, 326 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: I kept thinking, well, I mean, would she goes so 327 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: far to beat herself and starve herself, break her own nose, 328 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: brand herself? Didn't she brand herself, chop off all her hair? 329 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Was she branded? Sheriff? Yes, she was, Oh, dear Lord 330 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: in heaven with what It's never been told what she 331 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: was branded? What were the letters? What did it say? Yeah, 332 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: it was a religious saying, and I don't really recall 333 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: exactly what religious saying yeah or symbol Yes, Oh you 334 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: know this is straight Matthew Mangino, former District Attorney Lawrence 335 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: County now high profile lawyer, former member of the parole board, 336 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: which I don't like one bit that you paroled people, 337 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: and author of the executioner's toll me and Gino. It's 338 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: straight out of like a fifth grade girl's novel. Being 339 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: abducted and branded in your hair, chopped off a blah 340 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: blah blah. It sounded pinky at the beginning, but I 341 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: would not come out and say it because the woman 342 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: had a broken nose, she was starved, she had cut 343 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: off all her hair, she was covered with bruises, even branded, 344 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, the facts are off, But would 345 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: she actually brand herself? Would you go through all that 346 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: break her own nose and that was the other side 347 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: of the scale. Well, yeah, that's extraordinary. I mean, you know, 348 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: she you know, she went to great measures to make 349 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: this hoax seem real, you know, to physically harm herself, 350 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: to brand herself that had her nose broken, all for 351 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: the attention that she might get after she comes back 352 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: twenty two days later. I mean, you know, this extravagant 353 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: hoax is wrong on so many different levels. You know, 354 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: it inhibits people from money to get involved in the future. 355 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: When someone says they're missing, it's a diversion of police efforts. 356 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's costly to the community. Hey, hey, man Gino, 357 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I want to analyze something you just said. A diversion 358 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: of police efforts. You know, that's really like putting perfume 359 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: on the pig. You know, it's a little bit of 360 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: a euphemism. Hey, Sheriff Michael Johnson, did you hear that, 361 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino? Police efforts? Think about it. How many women 362 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: were being raped at that moment, how many stores or 363 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: homes were being robbed or home invaded? How many missing 364 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: children were being abducted at that moment? What other crimes 365 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: were happening? Were people domestic violence? People women getting beaten, 366 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: children getting beaten and molested. That's what was happening when 367 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini had the sheriffs up in their helicopter and 368 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: doing grid searches and putting up flyers. Yeah, what about that? Mangino? 369 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: All right? And I agree with you, and it goes 370 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: beyond that. I mean the fear that he created in 371 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: the community. Did Hey, you know this, this young woman 372 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: was abducted and no one knows where she's had and 373 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: then when she finally returns, there's this a racist element 374 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: that she creates two gun wielding his Spanish chapter Capta 375 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: for three weeks. You know, I remember when Susan Smith 376 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: killed her children and blamed the black guy. Blamed the 377 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: black man. All right, So I was sitting in court Jackie, 378 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: with my trial partner, who helped me a great deal 379 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: turn into a judge. By the way Herman sloam and 380 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: the composite of the fake kidnapper of the children came 381 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: out of Mike Herman. That looks a lot like you 382 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: look at this, he went. Oh, I said, actually, I 383 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: think you're imported with me when the children were abducted, 384 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: so you know you're safe. But what he just said, 385 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson, did you hear that the element of aiming 386 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: the Hispanic women. Yeah, of course. And you know what 387 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: that does. You got a nerve? What that does a 388 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: law enforcement is it gives us. You know, she created 389 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: this these sketches, and so now we're contacting people and 390 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: questioning people that even resemble that um falsely. You know, 391 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: it's it's so unfair. He just gave me a flashback, 392 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson. You know the big albums of purps mug shots. 393 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: I remember sitting up at like one o'clock in the morning, 394 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: I found a witness and just going through page after 395 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: page after page, looking to see if any of these 396 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: people look familiar as the killer. It was triple homicide 397 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: of my dad. But I can just see you putting 398 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: together those two composites I remember them well, and showing 399 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: them to this person and that person. Oh, it's so intensive, 400 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson. No, it is, you know, Sheriff Johnson, I'll 401 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: still got you. We heard Matthew Mangino. I think it's 402 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: a pretty good guess on his part. Two say she 403 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: did it for attention? Did we ever figure out why 404 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: she did it? Not? I you know, that's the That's 405 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: the one thing that I was waiting for to come 406 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: out in the trial. No, all I can tell you 407 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: is that calculated, narcistic type of behavior that she displayed 408 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: through this whole thing is all self serving right up 409 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: now until the end when she enters a plea agreement. 410 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: The only reason she pled in this case is because 411 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: she's trying to save herself for selfish reasons. Again, And 412 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: they put out this statement of remorse by her, which 413 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure she didn't say. It was crafted, probably 414 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: by her attorney, and just don't buy any of it. 415 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: So I was hoping in the trial we would get 416 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: a better idea of why she did it. But if 417 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I had to guess, I'd just say it's that same 418 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: typical selfish behavior, the whole thing about Oh, I'm bored, 419 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: I'm bored of being a stay at home mom. You 420 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: know how many working moms that have to work would 421 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: love to be a stay at home mom because they're 422 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 1: trying to be the stay at home mom and do 423 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: all the things that mom does and work at the 424 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: same time. I mean, it's hard, Nancy. Oh here it comes, 425 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Drew Angie Arnold, I don't get you just did it 426 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: for attention. There's something else there. And don't don't tell 427 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: me he's insane, because she's not. She's crazy. She's crazy 428 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: like a fox. I'm telling you that. And she is 429 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: also not a narcissist. She is a sociopath. She is 430 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: the definition of a sociopath. She knows the difference between 431 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: right and wrong, and she has no conscience because this 432 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: is not the first bad thing that she's done to 433 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: her family. It has escalated and escalated and now this 434 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: and like you said, how selfish? And then how could 435 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: you be thinking of anyone? She's not thinking of anyone. 436 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, typically sociopaths and narcissist are not 437 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: really capable of love. So she's got this family, you 438 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: know that she can portray. And of course she looks 439 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: like the best mom in the world because she's not 440 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: her entire life. Okay, you do know that just didn't 441 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: make any sense at all. She looks like the best 442 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: mom in the world because she's not. Okay, but but 443 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I know that didn't make any sense. Time stories with 444 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Sheriff Johnson is still with me. I'm still 445 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: with you, Sheriff. Do you remember, and you don't have 446 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: to or Christy jump in if you know this. There 447 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: have been a lot of issues with her before this, 448 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: in that she had kicked in her family home like 449 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: her our original family, like mom and dad family are 450 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: thanked to burglary. There have been some something in her 451 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: background that's it's like a waving a big wig flag 452 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: in front of a bull. I mean, you can't help 453 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: but knows that what was it she had done in 454 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: the past. Sheriff Johnson, Yeah, I don't recall that one. 455 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: I recall it. I do. I ate Nancy rolling back 456 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: from this of a sheriff rolling back from this case. 457 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: She scams an ex boyfriend, telling him that her her 458 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: husband is beating her and her family is not helping her. 459 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: And she weaves this narrative for almost a year before 460 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: she disappears. That's why he allows her to hold up 461 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: in his apartment. Hey, speaking of the drama, the story 462 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: she came up with, take a listen to our cut 463 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: eighteen Susy SUSYBSLA. After years of sticking to her story 464 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: that she was abducted by two women, Sherry Peppini is 465 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: reportedly ready now to come clean and admit that she 466 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: faked it all. Sherry Peppini vanished from her reading home 467 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Weeks later, she was found wandering along 468 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: the five Freeway, bruised and branded. Now. At that time, 469 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: she told police two women had kidnapped and tortured her, 470 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: but last month prosecutors charged her with making it all up, 471 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: They say, instead of being abducted, she was actually hiding 472 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: out with an ex boyfriend in Costa Mesa. And now 473 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Peppini has reached a deal with prosecutors and will admit 474 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: that she planned the entire hoax. Her lawyer says Peppini 475 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: signed a plea deal with federal prosecutors. Today she will 476 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: plead guilty to lying to a federal officer and to 477 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: mail fraud. You know, what if you had made an arrest, 478 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson, What if you actually found a Hispanic woman, or, 479 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: as I believe she said, two Mexican women. What if 480 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: you had actually found somebody that matched that sketch to 481 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: the point that you arrested them based on what Sherry 482 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: Peppini said, Well, you know what happened, then then I'd 483 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: be in a lawsuit for a false arrest, A big 484 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: fat lawsuit too. I found it, sheriff. Listen to this. 485 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: When she was eighteen, her sister accused her of kicking 486 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: in the back door of the family Shasta Lake home. 487 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: The same day, her parents, Richard and Loretta, called police 488 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: to document the incident as vandalism and claim she had 489 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: taken off to somewhere in reading. When she was twenty one, 490 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: her parents made another calle to cop saying she stole 491 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: money from the father's bank account. Then the mother reported 492 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: Sherry was harming herself and blaming her injuries on her 493 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: the mother, and the mother was afraid that she, the 494 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: mother would be get dragged into de facts Department Family 495 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: Children's Services, So she called herself and went, hey, my 496 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: daughter's hurting herself and blaming me. I mean, Sheriff Michael Johnson, 497 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at her track record. Yes, indeed, 498 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: and all that was taken into consideration, and as the 499 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: things started to unfold, and you know what another hard 500 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: part of this was Nancy is as we started to 501 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: unfold this lies that are being told by her, we 502 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: had to lay silent. Why we took you know, some 503 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: we took some criticism from the media, the family and 504 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: everybody else. And we were knowing that this was a lie, 505 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: and so we had to keep on. I hope it 506 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: wasn't me. Whyet until all the facts. No, I mean 507 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning, Sheriff, I find it hard to believe 508 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: I would have criticized you because I didn't say you 509 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning. I know but I always assume it's me, 510 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson, because at the beginning her story stumped. The 511 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: whole thing sucked. It just wasn't right, the whole thing, 512 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: and we thought, and then showing up on Thanksgiving date, 513 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: what now? I said, yeah, and there was there was 514 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: little and you hit on a couple of them, some 515 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: of the evidence. At the front of the investigation, we 516 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: were scratching her head and not thinking things were right 517 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: as well. But I mean, what are you going to do? 518 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: Bad mouth a victim who's had her nose broken and 519 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: lost all that weight, chopped her hair off and branded herself. 520 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean, who would have thought? Then you've got the 521 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend dragged into the whole thing. Hey, another thing, 522 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson. I agree with you. Her her statement says, 523 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: you know she didn't write this. I'm deeply ashamed for 524 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: my behavior and so sorry for the pain I caused. 525 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't believe that for one minute. I don't think 526 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: she's sorry she did it. She's sorry she got caught. 527 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: Sheriff Yep, that's exactly right. That's what she's sorry about. 528 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: She's sorry that she got caught. M It's like, I'm 529 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: not sorry you did it best? Sure, I don't want 530 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: to go to hell for it. Okay, So Christy Missouri 531 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: blind to me what her sentence is. She pleads guilty. 532 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: What's her sentence? She'll be sentenced this summer. But in 533 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: signing up, I thought she already said, Oh wait, I 534 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: see thirty thousand dollars. You're absolutely correct. Yeah, it's thirty 535 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: thirty hundred thousand dollars in restitution. That's mandated. Yes, But 536 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is the thirty thousand dollars she stole 537 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: from a victims compensation fund to pay off her credit cards. 538 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: What lovely? Wait? Tell me that she had thirty thousand 539 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: dollars a credit card debt and then paid it from 540 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: the victims compensation fund, Yes, and go fund me sites. 541 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: Also that family and friends had set up so when 542 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: she returned back home, she had a payday. And again, 543 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: her story got so insane. Her memory was hazy because 544 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: her head was covered by a pillowcase. But she heard 545 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: mariachi music playing. But maybe that didn't happen because she 546 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: might have been hit by a stun gun. Did you 547 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: just say mariachi music? I absolutely did. Oh yeah, Monica. 548 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Probably an investigator with Monica investigations. Omaha, the not just stereotypes, 549 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: but the harmful and hateful stereotypes. This woman is conjuring 550 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: up right now, I mean again, It makes me think 551 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: of Jesse Smilett. They star an empire who conjures up 552 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: hatred for Black Americans, hatred for gay people, and then 553 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: claims he was attacked with bleach to make his skin 554 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: white and put a noose around his neck. Some of 555 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: the most hateful things just straight out of hell that 556 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: you could say. And now you've got this woman claiming 557 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: to quote Mexican women abduct her, beat her, torture her, 558 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: and play Mariachi music. Yeah, that's right. I read that. 559 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: She I believe said that she had to listen to 560 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: horrible Marriotti or Hispanic music while she was being kidnapped 561 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: and tortured in a closet. That was part of the torture. 562 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: Was listening to that type of music. Well not everyone 563 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: would think that that was torture. Take a listen our 564 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: cut twenty three. This is Lila Luciano at CBS. Jerry 565 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: described her assailants as two Hispanic female adults. According to 566 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: the FBI, she accused the women of brutally torturing her. 567 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: The hunt was on and New Fear settled and running 568 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: where Ladinos were less than ten percent of the population. 569 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people would tell me, you know, and 570 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: they had to be expanding and they after I said, well, 571 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't give him a good name either. But so 572 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: there was shame in the community. I guess she specifically 573 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: picked out a gender in a race to name us 574 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: the suspects. So any Hispanic woman at that time, I'm 575 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: sure it's getting the eyebrow raised and looking in they're wondering, oh, 576 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: whenever she could be connected or one of the suspects. 577 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: So people were being questioned and stopped and asked the 578 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: question sure by law enforcement. Yes, they were afraid to 579 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: go out and together in one car or a van 580 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: to women who'd be suspicious, Yeah, to be suspicious, or 581 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 1: to be stereotyped, to be insulted and take a listen 582 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: to our twenty killy hard tongue. ABC Sherry Peppini says 583 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: she's ashamed of her behavior and sorry for the pain 584 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: she caused. Just as she gets ready to plead guilty 585 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: in court. So the agencies who spent more than five 586 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: years uncovering her lies, they feel some relief and closure, 587 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: but also frustration because taking this plea deal means she'll 588 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: likely spend months, nine years in jail. Sherry Peppini back 589 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: in federal court to wave indictment, opening the door to 590 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: plead guilty in her own kidnapping hopes. She had no 591 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: other choice because she's caught and she knows as if 592 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: this thing comes to actually goes to trial and we 593 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: start parading in the witnesses and all the evidence, so 594 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: we've got she's got nowhere to go. I'm very confident 595 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 1: we would have got a conviction if that went to trial, 596 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: facing trial for thirty five felony charges and the possibility 597 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: of as many as twenty five years in jail, the 598 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: mother of two, accepting a plea deal, her recommended sentence 599 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: reduced to no more than fourteen months. Through tears in 600 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: the courtroom, Peppini dabbing her eyes with a tissue, her 601 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: attorney consoling her. Is she nervously answered the judge's questions 602 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: to ensure she understands what happens next, dabbing her eyes 603 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: in the courtroom, people are consoling her. I mean, Sherriff 604 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: Johnson is the one that needs to be consoled, and 605 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: everybody that's spent their time, blood, sweat and tears trying 606 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: to find Sherry Peppini. Now she's like dabbing her eyes, 607 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: and the courtmina, what just stop, Peppini, You've done enough. 608 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: Angie Arnold say, is is this Sherry Peppini's world and 609 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: we're just living in it? Is it all about her? Well, 610 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: she thinks it is, and she's creating this world that 611 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: she wants to live in. She feeds off of this chaos, 612 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: and she creates more and more chaos to keep us 613 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: all wondering, like we all are on this show, right 614 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: every I'm wondering. This is terrible. This is a terrible blot. 615 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to share with you. Oh boy, go ahead, 616 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: don't hold back. Now, I'm wondering how much fun her 617 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend were having shaving her head, giving her bruises. 618 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder, Oh my gosh, we're all going, 619 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, this poor woman, her beautiful blonde hair 620 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: was shaved and everything they were it was probably they 621 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: were probably enjoying every minute of it. They were getting 622 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: some sort of odd satisfaction out of doing this to her. 623 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: On top of everything else, Christie missert. When is this folk, 624 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: sir going to be sentenced and what is she facing? 625 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: She's on the docket for July. And to the point, 626 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend went along with her tail because she 627 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: kept telling him her husband was going to do horrific 628 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: things if she went back home. And she's done this 629 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: in the past. And Nancy hate to bring up, you know, 630 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: the stereotyping, but you and I lived through Jennifer Wilbanks, 631 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: the runaway bride outside of Atlanta, when she went out 632 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: for a run and she was kidnapped by a Latino 633 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: man and turned up in New Mexico. Oh, I remember 634 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: it really well. Take a listen to this. Police investigators 635 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: made an afternoon visit to the lakefront home in Georgia 636 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: where Jennifer Wilbanks is now in seclusion, last seemed publicly 637 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: hiding under a blanket as she left for New Mexico. 638 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: The case of the runaway broad may now lead to 639 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: criminal charges and it did. I remember it really well. 640 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: Christy Missouri climbing that his spanning mail sex assault at 641 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: her and coincidently and grabbed her the night before her wedding. 642 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: She was the runaway Brian as he ended up cutting 643 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: grasp for a couple of weeks. Right the end of it, 644 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: she had absolutely no guilt or remorse when we were 645 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: questioning her upon her return back to Atlanta, she laughed 646 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: at cameras and she based basically like this young woman. 647 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: Sherry thought the whole thing was a game. Well, it's 648 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: not a game, and it was no game for law 649 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: enforcement that literally spent blood, sweat, and tears trying to 650 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: find this mom of two, much less what this whole 651 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: thing did to her family. Here is one final fact 652 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: in this story. So after this lengthy investigation and all 653 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: of these lies are uncovered, Keith Panini filed for divorce 654 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: from Sherry and wants full custody of their kids. His 655 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: thought process that Sherry was acting erratically for these past 656 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: few years while telling this sordid tale of lies to 657 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: her own children about her kidnapping. We wait as justice 658 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: and falls Nancy Grace Crumb Stories signing off Goodbye Friendly