1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the Smithsonian Museum removed mention of 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: Trump's two impeachments. We have such a great show for 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: you today as the Lincoln Project Zone, Rick Wilson joins 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: us to discuss Christy Nomes lies. Then we'll talk to 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Illinois Governor Pritzker's chief of staff and Caprera about how 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: DEM's fight back against Trump instead of caving. But first 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: the news. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: So my, we are a national news podcasts. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 3: We don't usually wait into foreign policy news, but all 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: the news right now is foreign policy as Trump sees 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: this as the way he's going to cover up having 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: an unpopular murder in the. 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: Streets of America and the Epstein files. So first up, 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: there is a real real shit show and I ran 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: right now. 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Donald Trump finds himself in a powder to 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: surrounded by powder kegs. Hundreds of demonstrators have been killed 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: in Iran. Rights groups say Sunday, this is We're seeing 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: demonstrations everywhere. These are the largest protests since the Islamic 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Republic was founded in nineteen seventy nine. A year after 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: Jesse and I were born. Every night we see these protests. 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: People are protesting because their currency has lost value, so 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: different from our country right here. So we have the 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Human Rights Active As news agency based in the United States. 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: Since four hundred and ninety protesters have been killed since 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: the protests began, there is real possibility. Donald Trump posted 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Saturday on social media, Iran is looking for freedom all caps. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps like never before, the US stands ready to help. 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Explanation point, explanation point, explanation point. We're going to see 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: what happens. 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: So, as if that weren't enough chaos, we're threatening war 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: with Cuba. Trump seems to really be ratcheting up that 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: this is going to be the next place, to quote 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: Michael Moore, where we will invade next. 38 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really pretty worrying. Now this gets us to 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: our next story, which, again, when not dealing with the 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Middle East, Donald Trump has another country in his sights. 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Ninety miles from Florida, Trump threatens Cuba and negotiate quote 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: unquote all caps before it is too late. Look, I 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what got Trump focused on Cuba, but 44 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: he has been focused on it since the Venezuela situation. 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: On Sunday, he also said that the US strike in 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Venezuela put Cuba into focus with him, he has been 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: tweeting about it. So somebody on X tweeted that Marco 48 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Rubio will be president of Cuba, and then he shared 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: a fake image of himself small music are in front 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: of Cuba's flag. This administration, now Cuba has again been 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: the focus back and forth sort of low key American leaders. 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: You know, Obama tried to normalize relations with Cuba. Again, 53 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: this is a real powder keg here. And remember Donald 54 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Trump said he was going to end foreign wars, so 55 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: we just covered Iran. Now we have Trump focusing on Cuba, 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and I got to do this for you. 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: There's more. 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: We've declared a state of emergency in Venezuela to try 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: to protect. 60 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: The oil interests, right, so that would be a third 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: foreign country. And look, Cuba and Iran have been countries 62 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has not gotten involved in militarily. But 63 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: we're eight days into this situation with Venezuela where Donald 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: Trump has in fact removed the setting president and his wife, 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: who are now in some kind of captured situation in 66 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: the United States. So Venezuela is a Pandora's box that 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: America has opened. And now we are I think of 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: the pottery barn theory of international or you broke it, 69 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: you bought it. 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: So if that weren't enough, the Daily Mail is reporting 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: that Trump has ordered army chiefs to drop a plan 72 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: to invade Greenland. The people of Greenland do not want 73 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: this at all. 74 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: That's the understandment of the year. Nor do the people 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: of Denmark, nor does anyone else. We'll see a lot 76 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: of this negotiation happening. We're going to see members of 77 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: the Senate Republicans to absolutely flip at about this all week. 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: With the War Powers Act discussions which will start this week, 79 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: expect to see a lot of interparty m We have 80 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: exciting news over at our YouTube channel. 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Christy Nome, 99 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Homeland Security secretary, perhaps soon to be impeached Homeland Security Secretary. 100 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail tells us that she absolutely crushed her 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: interview with CNN's Jake Tapper over the Minnesota shooting of 102 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: a thirty seven year old unarmed mother of three. Did 103 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Christy Noom absolutely crush it? 104 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: I believe she crushed her chances of ever appearing in 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: civil society again. You could see with all the administration 106 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 4: people that are fanning out across the Sunday shows across 107 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 4: the media since this murder. It's this targeted political murder 108 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 4: of a woman, three shots of a woman who got 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: shot in the head three times. For the reason for 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: it we now quite clear, is that her wife sasked 111 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: the officer and he decided he was going to kill 112 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 4: that that effing bitch, as he said on the tape 113 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: while he shot her three times. Yeah, I mean, and folks, 114 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: I think one of the most damning pieces of evidence 115 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: of this case that's come out so far is they 116 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: released thinking it was going to make them look good, 117 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: just as they thought Nome would would make them look 118 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: good today, they thought it would make them look good. 119 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: That he's taping with his camera in his right hand, 120 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: he swaps hands and you hear him withdraw his weapon 121 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: before he's even near the car, before he's in front 122 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: of the car. He had intent to kill from that 123 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: moment he took that weapon out, and we want you 124 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: to remove your side arm. You better be ready to 125 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: shoot somebody, and that's what he wants. He was ready 126 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: to shoot somebody. 127 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: He was, and he did. One of the things that 128 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I was struck by in this interview was she came 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: out very very early on, right after the shooting, right before. 130 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: At one point she was wearing a cowboy hat and 131 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: then she changed to a different hat, wanted a little 132 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: more gravitas, a baseball cap. You can tell where I'm 133 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: going with this. And some of the first things she 134 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: said were actually she said that this domestic terrorist right 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: clearly not had attacked ice officers, also not true. There 136 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: were a number of things she said that were demonstrably falls. 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper then read those things to her, and then 138 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: she just kept lying from there. 139 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: Molly, it's what we all know. And this is where 140 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: the mainstream media has absolutely failed. They fail on this 141 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: over and over again. They think they're going to ask 142 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: sharp questions. They framed them properly, they asked them properly. 143 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 4: But the people that are sitting in the chair are 144 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 4: not honest brokers. They have an audience of one person, 145 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: It's Donald Trump. They have no reason to tell the 146 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 4: public the truth because telling the truth gets them fired. 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: Lying and aggrandizing Trump and continuing this narrative of she 148 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: was a communist agitation murderer is all that Trump cares about, 149 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: that Miller cares about. So they're going to do this 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: performed thing. And this is where the media does not understand. 151 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 4: You cannot have Christinome on your show. You cannot do it. 152 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 4: She will lie to you, in your face, lie to you. 153 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: She will in your face, insult the truth and the 154 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: people she allegedly serves. 155 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: And it's also like, even if you follow up, even 156 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: if you say, but you didn't say this or this 157 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: is not true, she'll just either keep talking and talk 158 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: about something else. Like at one point she said, and 159 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: that's why Donald Trump's administration is the most transparent administration 160 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: in history. Right, and Dad doesn't have anything to do 161 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: with anything. 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 4: It's apparently fucking awful. 163 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: But okay, and there's not going to be a moment 164 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: where she goes, you know what, Jake, You're right, yep, 165 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: we didn't wrong by that thirty seven year old woman, 166 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Like that's not gonna w wow. 167 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: He shouldn't have shot her three times in the head 168 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: because he got upset that. Yeah, someone was exercising the 169 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 4: classic American right to be to go out and talk 170 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: and the shit talk people. 171 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: So one of the things Tapper did in that interview 172 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: was he played some footage from January sixth, and he 173 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: showed the magacrat beating the shit out of these Capitol 174 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: police officers, and that I think is you know, it 175 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: was sort of meant to be a gotcha, and she wouldn't. 176 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: She didn't take it because she doesn't care. So she 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: just said well, and then he said, well, Donald Trump 178 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: pardoned all those people, and she said Donald Trump is 179 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: the most you know, beautiful, handsome genius in the world. 180 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: Like you cannot get these people to try to get. 181 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: Them in one Emily. This is the thing I've told reporters. 182 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: It's off the record and quietly and privately. A lot 183 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 4: of them and I get the same sort of boat, 184 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 4: their newsworthy. We have to still cover them because of 185 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 4: the rules are that we have to still are they 186 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: though these people are mendacious scumbags. Let's imagine this. Suppose 187 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: that I had been invited on Fox News after the 188 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: death of Charlie Kirk and I started basically saying, well, 189 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: he deserved it, Oh well he was a day Imagine 190 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: can you imagine what would have happen? I would be 191 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: living in a bunker somewhere. 192 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 193 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 4: And so the latitude they sense that they have is 194 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: because they've hacked the mainstream media system. They understand how 195 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: to use the rules. You remember those eighties movies where 196 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 4: where the villain would the cop would get the villain, 197 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: and the villa would say, you can't shoot me. You 198 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: have rules. You're a policeman, you can't, and then the 199 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: cop would shoot them in that eighties kind of style. 200 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: I think it was in Diehard. They know Jake Tapper 201 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: is not going to say, get the fuck off my set, 202 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 4: you lying whore. They know he's not going to do that. 203 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: They know he won't do that. What should he do that? 204 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: And I'm not blaming Jake. I'm not blaming Jake alone. 205 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: This is a systemic problem. 206 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Let's blame Jake. Let's talk about accountability here for a minute, 207 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: because one of the things that Ken Jennings from Jeopardy 208 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: said a thing about finding accountability for the after it's over. 209 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to explain how gratifying that was to all 210 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: parties involved. But I want to talk about that because 211 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: if you want accountability at this moment, there is one thing, 212 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, and only one thing 213 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: alone that could happen, which is impeaching Christie Nome. Let's 214 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: talk about that. 215 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: Or more of them than that. But yeah, yeah, let's start. 216 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: With but let's start with Christie Nome, because she's clearly 217 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: signing off on you know, she didn't say we got 218 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: to investigate. She said we got to kill all agitators. Basically, 219 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: she didn't quite say that. 220 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: But that was And by the way, by the way, 221 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: that message that they're sending out on their social media, 222 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: you tack one of us, you attack all of us, 223 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: and will come and kill you. I'm going to tell 224 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: you something. We're gonna be lucky if this ends up 225 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: in court, not in something much worse. 226 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about what the accountability might look 227 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: like here. What's the how would you even impeach Christie Nome? 228 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: Because you could do it? I mean you start in 229 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: that they. 230 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: Would and she wouldn't leave her job. Let's say tomorrow, 231 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: and I think you could do it actually in the 232 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: house right now and probably yeah, I. 233 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: Think so too. We talk to somebody health care. Healthcare 234 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: was fifth with seventeen Republicans. 235 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: So listen, I talk to somebody who's very high up 236 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: in like Republican Senate universe. Yesterday, this person told me 237 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: that even the pretending to be with Trump by more 238 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: than a dozen of them now is just like they're 239 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 4: they're all talking like this is out of control. He's 240 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: going to invade Greenland. They're actually really panicked about that, 241 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 4: by the way. 242 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: That's why all this week they're going to be debating 243 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: the War Powers Act, which you had Joss Hawley and 244 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: Todd Young sign on to, and you had ran Paul 245 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: Yep set up a meeting between Trump and a South 246 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: American leader. Like that kind of shit doesn't happen unless 247 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: the Republicans in the Senate are freaking out. 248 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: There is a there is a unspoken caucus in the 249 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: Senate that knows that if we if we invade Greenland, 250 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: we lose NATO. Yeah, and they are there, they are 251 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: They are chicken shits, but they are also grown ups 252 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: at a fundamental level, and they see the clock and NATO. 253 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Leasing NATO means that America becomes a rogue actor, the 254 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: way that China and. 255 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 4: We become North Korea with better beaches. 256 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a rubicon that cannot easily be uncropped. 257 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: Right, you can't unring the bell of breaking of attacking 258 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: a fellow NATO member, right. 259 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: And it's also there's not a lot of appetite for it. 260 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think what I really want to talk 261 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: about right now is Venezuela. Because Venezuela happened eight days ago. 262 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: On Friday, Donald Trump had all the oil companies into 263 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: the White House to bow and scrape and thank him 264 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: for invading Venezuela, or not invading, but kidnapping its president. Right, 265 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: and his and the president's wife, and the oil commanies 266 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: did not bite, you know. 267 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: I noticed that too. They sort of had a like, well, 268 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: this may take a while, mister President. Thank you for 269 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: inviting us today in these lovely cannabis, but this may 270 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: take a while, and it's not going to be uncomplicated. 271 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: The title of the article in the New York Times 272 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: about it was Trump's one hundred billion dollars Venezuela oil 273 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: plan gets a cool reception. President Trump met with oil 274 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: and gas executives on Friday in an effort to push 275 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: them to invest money in Venezuela, a plan many of 276 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: them are reluctant to embrace. Okay, and then you I 277 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: want to read you one other. Darren Woods, who leads 278 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: the largest US oil company Exon Mobile, was especially blunt 279 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: during the televised portion of the meeting, So imagine what 280 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: they were saying when the cameras were off. Mind sir, 281 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: we've had our assets seized there twice, and so you 282 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: can imagine a re enter a third time would require 283 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: some pretty significant changes. Did he not check with them? 284 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: Now? Just like all these other things in Trump's weird brain, 285 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: he thinks the oil industry is is landmen, Okay, landsman. 286 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: The show is. He thinks it's that they want to 287 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: do nothing but go in and drill wherever they can drill. 288 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: The quality of the oil coming out of Venezuela is 289 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 4: not what they need. Has to be refined here. Mostly 290 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 4: they look at the scope of the effort required to 291 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: go into Venezuela to repair the refining capacity, refare the 292 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: oil field capacity, repair the dock and loading loading head 293 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: end capacity. All of those things are going to cost 294 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 4: them billions and billions of dollars. And the key factor here, 295 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: as you've noted, they've had their assets seas twice. And 296 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: who's still in charge of Venezuela, The people who sees 297 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 4: their effing assets. It's everybody but Maduro. It's still run 298 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: by the hated communist dictatorship. I have a Florida friend 299 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 4: who's a raging maga only because he's anti communists, and 300 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: even he's starting to I've been following his social media. 301 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: Last week I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait wait. 302 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: I thought we were getting rid of the communists, but 303 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 4: now we're helping the common What That's what's going on here. 304 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 4: They've left a thugocracy the Chevist does in charge of Venezuela, 305 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: and nobody's going to say to their shareholders, hey, I 306 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 4: need to spend twenty billion dollars to go down to 307 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: Venezuela to rebuild some oil refining and oil extraction capacity. 308 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 4: And yeah, the same people that have screwed us twice 309 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: already are still down there running everything. But it's okay 310 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: because Trump has a special weapon that makes people bleed 311 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 4: out of their eyes. 312 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: This expansionism is not well thought out. And again, yeah, 313 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: and so now we are eight days post we now 314 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: see that these oil companies are not good. I mean, 315 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: maybe if you pour billions of dollars into it, they 316 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: might go back, but there's no appetite for that. 317 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: And I'm sure American taxpayers are really ready to underwrite 318 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: government spending in a bailout of our struggling oil industry. 319 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, can someone please pour one out for the 320 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: oil companies, one for. 321 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: Me and one for my oil exploration Homeans. 322 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: And then there's another thing that happened on Friday, which 323 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: I think is really important, was the realization that there 324 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: is certain aspects of this economy that are really weak 325 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: and that they have been clearly undermined by Donald Trump's 326 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: bullshit higher gestalt, which is tariffs. 327 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: Yes, discuss the tariffs continue to be the boat anchor 328 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: around the neck of the American economy, dragging people down. 329 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 4: That Wall Street journal piece said some of the tariffs 330 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 4: are less than they look like on paper. The time 331 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: you know, done those deals? Was that the journal I 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 4: think it was a journal maybe. 333 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: The Times I'm sorry at the real rate was like half, right, 334 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: ther there's a lot of. 335 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 4: People even that half is a is a colossal burden 336 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: on American jobs, American manufacturing, American consumers. And Trump's obsession 337 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: with with not losing on tariffs, it's like his obsession 338 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: with not firing people because he thinks he loses. So 339 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 4: he's going to let the economy slip or they're underwater. 340 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: And you know, we look at all these revised job 341 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: numbers that came out last week. We've lost twenty two 342 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: thousand jobs since Trump became president. The job numbers, they 343 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 4: you know, they put out these growing job numbers and 344 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 4: then they were like, oh, wait, we have to revise 345 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: that down one hundred and sixty five thousand or whatever. 346 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: This is recession numbers. We're in a recession. But since 347 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 4: we don't have legitimate economic numbers anymore, nobody knows how 348 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: bad it is it is. And again that's another failing 349 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: of the mainstream media, is even quoting the numbers Trump 350 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: puts out, I think does a disservice to the American people. 351 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: We know those numbers are not true. He made them up. 352 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. But also Donald Trump has a problem which again 353 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Biden Biden world also had, which is if you tell 354 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: people the economy is good, but they go to the 355 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: store and can't fill their grocery cart, then they don't 356 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: care what you say. Right, you can't lie to people's wallets. 357 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: You cannot. You cannot, and you can't you know the 358 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 4: receipts in the store. Those things are not debatable. You 359 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: can't spin those things. 360 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: So this week we're going to see more debates of 361 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: the war powers Act. We're going to see Senate Republicans 362 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: probably freak out a little bit if Trump continues saber 363 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: rattling with Greenland. I mean, look, it's Trump, so he's 364 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: so unpredictable. You don't know what he'll do. He might 365 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: invade Greenland. One thing that we know will happen this 366 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: week is that Thomas Massey and Roe Kanna are going 367 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: to try and get a Special Master to start looking 368 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: at the Epstein files stuff percent of the Epstein files. 369 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: I think they're going to be able to get it 370 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 4: because the feeling in the House has gotten more and 371 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 4: more bitter as time has gone on among these Republicans 372 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 4: who who were under so much pressure to not release 373 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 4: the Epstein files, and when they bit the bitter apple 374 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 4: and now well they know if this thing keeps dragging out, 375 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 4: it stinks on them. If the thing keep if the 376 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: administration keeps playing these games, it hurts these guys because 377 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 4: they can't go and say to their Republican friends who 378 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 4: want the Epstein fills out, like, yeah, we did everything 379 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: we could, Sorry it don't worked that way. They passed 380 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: a law Pam Bondy is is in outright contempt and 381 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: violation of that law, there's no question about it. And 382 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: you know, Roe Conna and Thomas Massey the most unlikely duo. 383 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 4: But I've come to just I've come to watch these 384 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 4: Republicans slowly peeling away from Johnson on this and slowly 385 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: peeling away from Trump on this. I mean, if we 386 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 4: have to end up governing by discharge petition right now, 387 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: that's what's going to happen. Mike Johnson can say to 388 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, I didn't let it happen, Boss, But the 389 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: discharge petition process, unless you break the rules of the 390 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: House completely, it's going to keep going. 391 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump did a speech at the Trump 392 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: Kennedy Center. Yeah, Trump Trump Kennedy Center. 393 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 4: You know it, Yes, of it the home of the 394 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: Milania Trump Opera House. 395 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: It's not they haven't done that yet, but they will. 396 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 4: Oh, don't don't worry. Rick Grennell's on the job. 397 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so and he's and he said he was 398 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: displeased with Johnson for some of the ways in which 399 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: he had failed him. You think, Mike Johnson, I mean, 400 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: how long do you think Mike Johnson is for this job? 401 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: Listen, one more Republican gets in a car accident or 402 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 4: has a heart attack or gets found in bed with 403 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 4: a you know, live boy or a dead girl. It 404 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 4: is going to be is going to be very bad 405 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: day for Mike Johnson. 406 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: If there was a vote to john today. 407 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, if there was a vote today, I don't think 408 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 4: Mike Johnson could hold onto being speaker. No. I think 409 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: at this point, Massie and a few others would be like, 410 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: fuck it, it's all yours. 411 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: How came the seventeen Republicans who voted for the Obamacare 412 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: expansion extension of those tax credits. Those were not Josh 413 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: Thomas Massey, I mean, those were not just Jurie Taylor 414 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Green's gone. 415 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: I mean, but those guys like Lawler and others who 416 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: have to. 417 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: Do this, and Derek van Orton who said he doesn't 418 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: even like it, but he knew that he didn't want 419 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: people to lose healthcare. 420 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 4: I mean, and let's make no mistake, folks. Van Worton 421 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 4: is not a guy who wakes up in the morning 422 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 4: and thinks, man, what can I do for the good 423 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 4: of my constituents. He's a professional troll. He's a professional 424 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 4: Trump troll who happens to be in a vulnerable district. 425 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: And you were going to see these people. I don't 426 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: think Lauren Bobert at this point, because Trump screwed her 427 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: on Colorado as bad as he possibly could on that 428 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 4: clean water bill. I don't think even Lauren Bobert's gonna 429 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 4: stick with this guy at this point. He's losing his 430 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 4: best publicly facing allies. He basically wouldn't sign one of 431 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: the cr right, it's essentially de facto line item veto. 432 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Right and right he vetoed. He de facto line item 433 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: vetoed five different clean water projects in Colorado because he 434 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: was mad about Tina Smith. 435 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: The election, the criminal Tina Smith. 436 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Right, who had gone to She had been a sort 437 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: of election denier, gone to jail Trump or. 438 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: Actually went to jail because she unlike what they claim 439 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 4: the secret conspiracy of who the fuck knows did, she 440 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 4: actually hacked election machines and actually gave election machine access 441 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 4: to this cyber ninjas. 442 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: All these and Trump can't pardon her because it's the 443 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: state charge. 444 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 4: So Trump wants the Jared Polis apparently, Jared Polus apparently 445 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 4: is now getting like squishy on logo. Maybe it will 446 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 4: Jared Polus vote right. 447 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he will, but he better not. 448 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: But so that's why Trump is trying to bully him 449 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: by using federal funds. I mean, it's worth realizing that 450 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: this is just so not how any of this is 451 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: supposed to go in any which way. But he has 452 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: alienated Lauren Bopert through this, which is interesting. And Lauren 453 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: Bolbert said something. 454 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: To the account, even afford you can't even afford to 455 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: alienate one vote at this point, So. 456 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: We're I'm really seeing a contingent. And when this, by 457 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: the way, this Clean Water Act went back, thirty seven 458 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: Republicans stayed with it. So in the end Trump was 459 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: able to get it off the line items in the CR. 460 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: But it was really it really did show a kind 461 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: of fraying of MAGA. 462 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 4: Look, I just was looking at some polling from two 463 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: states today, two swing states for next year. The number 464 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 4: of people who are identifying themselves as a number of 465 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 4: Republicans who say I'm a MAGA Republican versus a non 466 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: MAGA Republican, the non MAGA Republican number has tripled. Yeah, 467 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: and now it's in the twenties. Now it's in the 468 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 4: mid to high twenties. And yes, that's still a lot 469 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: of Republicans are in the cult but to sustain a 470 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: majority in the House and the Senate, you need to 471 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 4: have them all there, and they're not going to happen 472 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 4: well this year. All right, my friend, I'll see you 473 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: next week. 474 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: And Caprera is the chief of staff to JB at Scara. 475 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome too Fast politics An. Thanks for having me, Molly. 476 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you because we talk a lot, 477 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: because you're really smart. You are a speechwriter or a 478 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: chief of staff. You are what's happening in Chicago. And 479 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: I also I just think of you as a smart 480 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: person that gives me smart thoughts. Well, that is so kind. 481 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 5: I think of you as someone that also has very 482 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 5: smart thoughts, and I think over the last year, you 483 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 5: and I've had multiple what the hell is going on 484 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 5: here moments where. 485 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: We're working through it together so exactly. So I finally 486 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: convinced you to come on because of the Susie wild 487 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: interview Wild Wilds Interview. Yes, so can we talk about 488 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: the Wild Wilds interview? I would love to What would 489 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: your take as someone who has had that job? 490 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 5: So a couple of things that I think are truly 491 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 5: wild about that interview. You know, I read it as 492 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 5: everybody did that morning that it came out big, you know, 493 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: and we could talk about the pictures, which is another 494 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 5: total fascinating for me in that article. But what really 495 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: struck me was almost immediately you heard kind of out 496 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 5: of the White House. 497 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: Well, she didn't know she was on the record. 498 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 5: And I want to take a step back for a 499 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 5: moment and say, I think you would agree with me, 500 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 5: like I abhoor Susie's politics, I abhor who she works for. 501 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 5: I also think she's a very smart political operator. She 502 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 5: has managed to survive in maga world as a woman 503 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 5: working for Donald Trump longer than almost anyone. She got 504 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 5: him elected to a second term. She took getting fired 505 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 5: and ostracized by Ron DeSantis and turned it into you know, 506 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 5: really being in probably the most powerful staff position in 507 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 5: the country. So I don't for a minute think that 508 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 5: this is a stupid person. 509 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's important walking. 510 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 5: Into kind of analyzing this article, because what I read 511 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 5: was that she sat down with Vanity fair like eleven 512 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 5: times over the course of a year to do this 513 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 5: spread And there is absolutely no way sood who does 514 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 5: do press. I don't do as much as my boss. 515 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 5: Obviously that you haven't negotiated the terms of a magazine 516 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 5: spread like that ad nauseum before you start the conversation, 517 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 5: and the idea that she's sitting with this reporter who's 518 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 5: got a recording device in front of him talking to her, 519 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 5: that she doesn't know that she's on the record just 520 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 5: doesn't strike true to me, which leads us to have 521 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: a conversation about, Okay, so why would you do this 522 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 5: particular type of interview and say the things that she 523 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 5: said in this spread where she really does kind of 524 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 5: take a part almost every single person who works in 525 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 5: the White House, every prominent figure that we know in 526 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: Trump world, right, And so it has led me to like, 527 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: there's only one of two conclusions in my mind about 528 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 5: this play by her, you know, Either one it's ego, 529 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 5: which I think is totally possible that she she's that gush. 530 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: You know, I've been the behind the scenes person. We 531 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 5: haven't seen many interviews with cus why we haven't seen 532 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 5: her out doing the talk show circuit or anything like that, 533 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 5: and you know, maybe she's like, Okay, I want to 534 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: go out and kind of portray what I'm doing and 535 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 5: how big a role I have in this, or too, 536 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 5: it's it's self preservation which is probably the more interesting 537 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 5: theory here. I'm of the belief you and I have 538 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 5: talked about this many times that when this dark chapter 539 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 5: is over, there's going to need to be real reconciliation, 540 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 5: resolution and a reckoning for what happened and the people 541 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 5: who have been involved. And I think one of the 542 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 5: things that we know about Trump, if we watched everything 543 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: from the first term, is that while he mostly escapes, 544 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 5: you know, any sort of accountability, the people around him 545 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: do not. 546 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, they either end up. 547 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 5: In jail, indicted, owing money in front of congressional investigations, 548 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 5: their careers ruined. I mean, you can kind of go 549 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 5: through the list. And so there's a part of me 550 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 5: reading through this that's thinking, you know, is Susie Wilds 551 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 5: trying to be the one person that comes out of 552 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 5: Trump world who doesn't end up like all these other folks. 553 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 5: And that part of that was her going on the 554 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 5: record like this to say, yeah, like I see all 555 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 5: the things that everybody else sees, and I know how 556 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 5: ridiculous all this stuff is, and I'm just gonna kind 557 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: of say it because it's impossible for them to fire me. 558 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: So that is what I wanted to talk about because 559 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: Susie Wiles and again you and I agree about this. 560 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: She is politically abhorrent, I think is the medical term. 561 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: But she is like the reason that Ron DeSantis was 562 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: able to rise and then disappear. Right, Yeah, she pivoted 563 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: to Trump and that was pretty much the end of 564 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis's presidential aspirations career pretty much. I think we 565 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: don't talk about it anymore, do we. I mean, yeah, 566 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: And I think she was really very much how that worked. 567 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: So the question is, in my mind, I just wonder 568 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: what is the calculus that she's making, because she's clearly 569 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: making a calculus here that she has the capital to 570 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: piss off Trump but be okat but not be fired. Yes, 571 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: And I mean, what do you think about that? 572 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 5: I think Susie Wilds is thinking about her life beyond 573 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 5: the White House, like I think she sees the catastrophe 574 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 5: that is coming. We haven't talked about this, but I 575 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: will say, for the first time, as miserable as dealing 576 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 5: with the first year of the Trump administration has been, 577 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 5: this is in some ways the first moment where I've 578 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: had a little bit of like there is going to 579 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 5: be an after to this, because I think the bottom 580 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 5: is starting to fall out of all of the different 581 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 5: enterprises of Trump world in terms of like immigration, in 582 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 5: terms of the economy, Like you and I can kind 583 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 5: of look for in four or five six months and 584 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 5: see where things are just starting to stack up. His 585 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 5: numbers are. Trump's approval numbers are dropping precipitously. I think 586 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 5: Susie Wilds is smart enough to look ahead to just 587 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 5: even the immediate future and see what the electoral disaster is. 588 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 5: Despite her comments in the article, like I think she 589 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 5: can read a poll, and you know, we have a 590 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 5: midterm coming up in November. Historically the president and the 591 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 5: party in power does poorly in midterms. I think we're 592 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 5: going to see very bad midterms for the GEARPS year. 593 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 5: And so you know, there is a little bit of 594 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 5: a quality in this article of like a wink wig 595 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 5: nod nod to the reporter of like, yeah, I kind 596 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 5: of know how bad a lot of this stuff is. 597 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 5: And so if you're you know, the White House chief 598 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: of staff thinking about your next gig and how do 599 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 5: I you know, go off and make money off of 600 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 5: all this, I do think she wants to appear as 601 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 5: not fully a member of the cult. If you will 602 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 5: that like she sees a little bit of you know, 603 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 5: the insanity and recognizes it for what it is. It's 604 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 5: a very cold, crazy calculation, particularly as a chief of staff. 605 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: It's not your job and that's not what you should 606 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: be doing. But explain to us what that means, because 607 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: I think that's important Usually chiefs of staff. There's so 608 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: much you're an alter ego. 609 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 5: One thing I want to say to that question because 610 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 5: it really struck me reading this article. There's no personal warmth. 611 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: There with her boss. I mean, JB. Pritzker is my 612 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: He's been my boss for eight years. He's a dear friend. 613 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 5: When I give interviews, when I go out and I 614 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: you know, people want to talk to me, even if 615 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 5: it's about me, which it rarely is. Part of my 616 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 5: job is to bring warmth and humor and light to 617 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 5: this person that I work with all the time. And 618 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 5: I want people to know that side of him because 619 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 5: I get to see it every day. I get to 620 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 5: see the like, you know, the funny moments that we have, 621 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 5: the kindness that he displays, the type of person that 622 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 5: he is. I was really taken away. I read the 623 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 5: whole thing and I read it again. There's no like 624 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 5: real personal anecdotes in this story. There's nothing about like, 625 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 5: you know, funny moments that shares with the boss. The 626 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 5: one thing that she talks about, which is like, I 627 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 5: thought this was so crazy. 628 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Like she has a. 629 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 5: Signed photo in her office of Trump and putin like 630 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 5: and that's her Like, that's like funny photo of the 631 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 5: two of them together, and that's signed by the president. 632 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 5: So you know, what really just strikes me about the 633 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 5: whole thing to the question that you asked is like, 634 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 5: you don't there's no sense of that like true intimacy 635 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 5: and friendship that most chiefs of staff shared with their bosses, 636 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 5: Like I know JB. Prischker's accomplishments are my accomplishments. The 637 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: things that he pursues are things that I want as 638 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 5: he pursued too. I you know, I don't ever think 639 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 5: that I could separate myself from who he is and 640 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 5: his accomplishments and the things good or bad that he's 641 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 5: done over the years as governor. And there is a 642 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 5: little bit to this article of like separation between her 643 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 5: and Trump. And it's a remarkable play because I mean, gosh, 644 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 5: so few people have gotten away with that in Trump world, 645 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 5: and Trump cares so much about loyalty. But it really 646 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 5: struck me reading this, like there was no let me 647 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 5: tell you who the person Donald Trump is other than 648 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 5: the one quote where she says he kind of has 649 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 5: the personality of an alcoholic, Like, which is the crazy 650 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 5: thing you say about your boss? 651 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: Well, I like that, he said, yes, in fact, it's true. 652 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: I say that I have an alcoholic personality all the time, 653 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: Like what are we even doing here? 654 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 5: And then the other thing that really stood out to me, 655 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 5: there's a point where she says, you know, my predecessors 656 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 5: have all talked about the moments where I had to 657 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 5: where you know, they had to walk into the Oval 658 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 5: office and say to the boss, what you want to 659 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 5: do is either illegal or unconstitutional or illmoral. And she's like, 660 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 5: I haven't had a moment like that, And I'm like, really. 661 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 4: You should. 662 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it is insane, insane, insane. So give me 663 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: a sense of what's happening in Chicago right now. Ice 664 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: went away because it was too cold. 665 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 5: Yes, they encountered like a moment of a Chicago winter 666 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 5: and they were like, we're gonna get out of town 667 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 5: for you know. 668 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: New Orleans. Real tough guys. Whether not as cold anymore? 669 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: So they're back. 670 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 5: Remarkably, they're back for three days, and then literally about 671 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 5: an hour ago, we got word that Bavino and a 672 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 5: lot of the cpp ice agents are leaving. 673 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: Again too cold cold spell. 674 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 5: Temperature is about fifteen degrees below zero today. So my coincidence, 675 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 5: I don't know. 676 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. 677 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 5: It was crazy because they kind of flew in. It 678 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 5: was Monday or Tuesday of this week and Baveno. The 679 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 5: first word we got was that Bavino was driving around 680 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 5: with a film crew, which is nuts, right, I mean, like, 681 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 5: what are we doing here? And then the next day 682 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 5: they went to the uber lot at O'Hare as one does, 683 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 5: as one does, and started pulling Uber drivers out and 684 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 5: asking them for their citizenship. 685 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: Papers as one does, which I you. 686 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 5: Know, I looked at my boss and I go, wow, 687 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 5: you know, they're really making us safer here. You know, 688 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 5: people are going to be able to get their ubers 689 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: from real hair, which is really going to. 690 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: Piss people off. It's very inconvenient. Yeah. 691 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 5: I don't know that they've done much this time around 692 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 5: other than kind of ride around with film crews and 693 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 5: catch some uber drivers. But it's interesting because I think 694 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 5: the people of Chicago are so attuned to every piece 695 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 5: of this now and so ready, like you know, they 696 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 5: really it's really hard for them to move around any 697 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 5: of the neighborhoods at this point in time because you 698 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 5: have a million people showing up with whistles ready to protest. 699 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: It has been inspiring. 700 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 5: To see the people of the city, especially the folks 701 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 5: who really mostly are not politically engaged, rise up and 702 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 5: be like, you're not welcome in our communities what you're doing. 703 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Like, Chicago feels like a great example of a city 704 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: where Trump has really messed himself up. Oh yeah, like 705 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: and a state where his policies have really messed himself up. 706 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 5: I've said this to you and I believe it. The 707 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 5: reversal of fortunes that we have seen on their immigration 708 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 5: numbers is remarkable, and we've seen it at the national pulling, 709 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 5: but obviously we pull pretty extensively here as well. And 710 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 5: we can see the drop off from you know, January 711 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 5: of last year in terms of how people felt about 712 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 5: what he was what Trump was talking about doing, versus 713 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 5: how they feel now having seen it. And there is 714 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 5: just a real sense in this city of and in 715 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 5: the state that he's he is focused on the wrong things, 716 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 5: that they are coming after the enemy in ways that 717 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 5: are destroying businesses or destroying communities. I mean, you know, 718 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 5: we talk a lot about Chicago, but we have one 719 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: of the largest soybean farming community and business here in 720 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 5: Illinois and anywhere in the United States, and those farmers 721 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 5: have just seen their livelihoods destroyed this year because of 722 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 5: the tariffs. And you know, we can go through like 723 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 5: a hundred examples like that, So it's it is really 724 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 5: remarkable to see the people. You know, obviously we're a 725 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 5: blue state, Chicago's a blue city. We didn't vote for 726 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 5: Trump here, but even the folks that might have been 727 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 5: kind of middle of the road maybe they didn't vote, 728 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 5: maybe they did vote for Trump. Like there just is 729 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 5: a real sense of regret and the way they prosecuted this, 730 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 5: you know, stupidly named Operation Midway Blitz has just enraged 731 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 5: community members who never got involved in stuff like this. 732 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 5: And I think it's the most remarkable images to me 733 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 5: have been looking at, you know, some of this suburban communities, 734 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 5: some of the more frankly white, non liberal parts of 735 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 5: the state who are enraged about ICE and CPB coming 736 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 5: to pick up immigrants that they've known in these communities 737 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 5: for years and years and years, who are hard workers, 738 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 5: who are good neighbors, and you know, folks are sitting 739 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 5: there going this is not what I vote. 740 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: A friend told me that it's soccer moms in yoga 741 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: pants and abolish Ice T shirts. 742 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 5: It is one hundred percent that it is the moms 743 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 5: in the pickup line at school. Like the stories of 744 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 5: these women especially who are like, we're going out and 745 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 5: forming human chains around the pickup line or the church. 746 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: That's the other thing I've heard. 747 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 5: You know that they they'll go and form a human 748 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 5: ring around the Catholic church so that folks coming in 749 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 5: and out of mass can get to their homes. And 750 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 5: that I mean, look, it shouldn't be that we have 751 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 5: to wait for those people to get activated, but they are. 752 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 5: And I think if you were to walk the streets 753 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 5: of Chicago and pluck an a person off the street 754 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 5: and just ask them how they felt about all this, 755 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 5: you would get a rant from almost anybody because they 756 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 5: people hate it and they just think this is not 757 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 5: making anybody any safer. I think the arrogance with which 758 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 5: Bovino especially has conducted himself here is really felt by 759 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 5: a lot of people. I mean, he just talks and 760 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,959 Speaker 5: acts like he doesn't have a care in the world. 761 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 5: I mean, maybe it's because he's such a short man 762 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 5: and like this has really affected his self image. You know, 763 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 5: I think you and I both know a lot of 764 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 5: a lot of men like this. But you know, it's 765 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 5: like the cosplay, the costumes, the you know, he came 766 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 5: out of court where he really got chastised by this 767 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 5: federal judge and he's wearing this like long trench coat 768 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 5: as if he's a Marvel villain. And I just, you know, 769 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 5: I watch it and I'm like, Okay, you know this 770 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 5: is not going to do well for you in. 771 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: The long term. Will you come back anytime. 772 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 5: I'm happy to come and talk about anything you want 773 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 5: to talk about. I love talking to you. 774 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 4: They're no moment, Rick Wilson, Hello, is it that time? 775 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: It is the time, it's the time, it's the time. 776 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: It's the old abnormals. Yes, the people who. 777 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 4: Know now, the real ones know, the real ones know. 778 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: The real ones now, Rick Wilson, what is your moment 779 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: of I. 780 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 4: Think the moment of we were watching here is also 781 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 4: involved with this terrible, tragic murder by ice and Steven 782 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 4: Miller's murder machine in Minnesota, and that is that the 783 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 4: FBI and the Department of Justice are blocking Minnesota Trany 784 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 4: General Keith Allison, who we both know, and the Minnesota 785 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 4: Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from investigating this murder. They've seized 786 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 4: all the evidence, they've taken all the forensics, they've taken 787 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 4: the vehicle, they've taken the body. They are not letting 788 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 4: anybody from the state investigate a murder that happened in 789 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 4: the state. And I have to tell you, I'm old 790 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 4: enough to remember when Republicans screamed about the Tenth Amendment 791 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 4: that states time to govern themselves at every level. Now 792 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 4: you've got a secret police force in Minnesota that has 793 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 4: seized the evidence and a murder they commit it. I'm 794 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 4: telling you this, Jonathan Ross guy, he will never escape 795 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 4: the shame of this, and they're going to make it 796 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 4: worse for this whole country by trying to cover it up. 797 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 4: They will never escape it either. Nome home and beveno 798 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 4: Stephen Miller. The rest of the rest of the tools 799 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 4: and showed at the Department of Holeman Security and Ice 800 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 4: and Department of Justice. We are watching some late stage 801 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 4: fascism going on here when it comes to this cover 802 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 4: up and the deployment of even more Ice folks into Minnesota. 803 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 4: They want they want to show you that they can 804 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 4: kill people whenever they want to, and they can get 805 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 4: away with it because they'll steal the evidence. 806 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: I just want to say one last thing about this 807 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: moment of Fuckory. Keith Allison, the ag in the state 808 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: of Minnesota, had a really good point, which is there 809 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: is no statute of limitations on murder. 810 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 4: Nope. And Jonathan Ross, Buddy, I know you're thinking right 811 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 4: now that they're telling you they're going to hold you 812 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 4: in the bosom of the DHS, but Trump will die. 813 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 4: You cannot be part and for a state crime. This 814 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 4: will fall apart eventually and they will put you in 815 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 4: jail because you murdered a woman by shooting her three 816 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 4: times in the face. You arrogant little thug. 817 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 818 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 819 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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