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Speaker 1: iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from

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Speaker 1: the commune and a trainer was at a party in

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Speaker 1: downtown Sebastpoll She had a fight with her boyfriend. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: my boy, Mick, kid got a pass.

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Speaker 2: You got a pass.

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Speaker 1: Even if Mick managed to meet up with Anna then

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Speaker 1: murder her. Couldn't have getting rid of the body and

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Speaker 1: driven her car all the way to SFO. Not without hope, right,

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Speaker 1: not without help? And we know he was with the

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Speaker 1: rest of the night, Chris, they're here. When I finally

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Speaker 1: got the transcripts of el Rick's interrogations, I realized Maldonado

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Speaker 1: wasn't giving me the whole story. And look at that.

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Speaker 1: Oh who said that? That's Maldonado? Man, And you're going

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Speaker 1: to go meet this guy Sandals size six. I was

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Speaker 1: reading the evidence catalog for Anna Tranner's case, long sleeve shirt, necklace.

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Speaker 1: It was a list of objects recovered in the course

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Speaker 1: of the investigation, but the descriptions were vague, too vague,

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Speaker 1: like when it said sandals, did that mean birkenstocks or

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Speaker 1: flip flops? Or most frustrating, this three compact discs. I

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Speaker 1: think it doesn't even say what they are. I was

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Speaker 1: dying to know what albums it was Anna listening to

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Speaker 1: Smashing Pumpkins or Tory Amos. I mean that would say

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Speaker 1: hold everything, but I also knew I couldn't help but

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Speaker 1: give my own history and my own emotions to these details.

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Speaker 1: And I was reminded of something maldon Auto said to

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Speaker 1: me a few days earlier.

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Speaker 2: You got to let the evidence tell the story, even

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Speaker 2: if it's not the one that you like or the

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Speaker 1: There's a big difference between finding meaning and giving meaning,

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Speaker 1: between understanding and fetishizing. And actually, the most important thing

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Speaker 1: I was looking for wasn't an object. It was a

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Speaker 1: few lines in the witness log gave three interviews. This

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Speaker 1: was more important than the CDs, the sandals, even the

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Speaker 1: small swift bullets in a plastic bag. But while I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lives like.

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Speaker 1: What not sure, even though he was sitting right next

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Speaker 1: to me and he was helping me. I couldn't let

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Maldonado know how much of a game changer this

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Speaker 1: was because after the last week, I wasn't sure I

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Speaker 1: could trust him. I am actor and filmmaker writer Strong.

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Speaker 1: This is the red weather. I was two weeks into

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Speaker 1: reviewing the disappearance of Anna Trainor and getting nowhere new Elrich,

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Speaker 1: the leader of Anna's intentional community, the Tender Hearts, had

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Speaker 1: an alibi, but this only brought me up to speed

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Speaker 1: with where the investingation turned cold in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 1: To get any further, I wanted access to the official

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Speaker 1: case file. Hi, it's Ryder Strong calling that again for

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Laughlin. Okay, uh yeah, okay, that'd be great, Thank you. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: I mean she is blowing you off, giving you the

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Speaker 1: it personally, and at least Maldonada's talking to me. You

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Speaker 1: I made up, but he called himself that for real.

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 5: You want to talk and a trainer, you got to

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Speaker 5: talk about those fuckers detecting that shit. Maldonado.

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Speaker 1: Left this right after we saw the transcripts of Maldonado's

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Speaker 1: interrogations of el Rick. They had uncovered that Elrick was gay,

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Speaker 1: so casually an anti gay slur, your shocks that you

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Speaker 1: knew best palace sheriff is a homophobic Nazi fascist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but I know it's awful, Yes it is. But that's

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Speaker 1: the way people talk back then, are you justifying it? No? No,

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Speaker 1: but asking about it, I wasn't sure I could do that.

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Speaker 1: farmers sell produce. They can develop into institutions that draw

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Speaker 1: hardcore fans acolytes, and Maldonado claimed that this one Little

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Speaker 1: Seed was the strawberry spots. Hey, how you doing, Hey,

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Speaker 2: As legends. Family has been here for what decades?

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Speaker 1: Andres is the owner of little Seed? So how long

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Speaker 1: you've been here? Or I guess your family, you guys always.

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Speaker 3: Well, my family, my grandfather, he had the west side

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Speaker 1: Actually, there weren't any grapes.

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Speaker 2: It was all orchards back then.

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Speaker 1: That's what I remember. My hometown used to be famous

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Speaker 1: for its apples, specifically the Gravenstein apple, and Maldonado had

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Speaker 1: It was from Russia, right Sebastopol and rushing some like

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Speaker 1: argument with a shop owner or something that he doesn't know,

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Speaker 1: andres rolled his eyes and I could tell he'd heard

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Speaker 3: It was when they grew the first graven Stains and

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Speaker 3: Johnny Apples say, you know he was, of course, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well Johnny was coming to the area.

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Speaker 2: You really, you really don't know that. You can tell

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Johnny's wandering the country barefoot, planting trees.

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Speaker 2: He's the apple guy, the apple prophet. So when he

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Speaker 3: Everyone wants to know what's old Johnny gonna think of

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Speaker 3: the grave Steam?

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Speaker 2: Well, he like it. People would play some bets. Andre's

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Speaker 3: Anyway, they bring him a gravity stea well for first

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Speaker 3: they got to decide which orchard they're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna take it from. There's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: I only have so much time per episode, so suffice

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Speaker 1: to say Maldonado walked me through a classic shaggy dog story.

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Speaker 3: They were in this few Cooper's and the Martinelli's hate

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Speaker 3: has run off with Martinelli's daughter. But everyone in that

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Speaker 3: fight was really about the golden tree.

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Speaker 1: One of those Mark Twain yarns that goes on way.

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Speaker 3: Too long actually gets on his dog and gallops to

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Speaker 3: the golden tree. Now, shots are fire bullets, wizm pass

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Speaker 1: To reach a very very underwhelming punchline.

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Speaker 2: Finally, Johny takes a bite of this fee.

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Speaker 3: He says, this is the best apple they've been sebastable

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Speaker 1: That's that's horrible.

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Speaker 2: Well that's five minutes of your life and never get back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dad jokes. Aside, apples did define the area for decades.

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Speaker 1: Nowadays it's all cannabis and grapes, wine and weed. There

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Speaker 1: making do Oh, you gotta try this strawberry.

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Speaker 3: He's never added, Oh well, okay, oh yeah, right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: See you get it.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a work.

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Speaker 1: We went to the edge of the Tender Hearts property

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Speaker 2: This is where the guys on the engine passed her.

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Speaker 1: I had told Maldonado that Willow started the fire that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we would smell the pot too, but it

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Speaker 1: There's an irony here. By burning the weed she found,

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Speaker 6: they were a cult, but they weren't not really. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: That's Monica Tremblaine, a reporter who was helping me.

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Speaker 1: There were still rampant fears of cults, ritualistic killings. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, why do I need that? Sean? What do

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Speaker 1: The transcripts and the message from Sparks were weighing heavily

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Speaker 1: on me. Was Sheriff Maldonado biased in this investigation, too

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Speaker 1: obsessed with weed and focused on the Culti commune, maybe

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Speaker 1: even targeting Elric personally. It took me almost an hour

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Speaker 1: before I could bring it up.

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Speaker 3: The search party started in groups from here and then

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll show you so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Lachlan sent me the transcripts and I went through

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Speaker 1: the interviews with Elric.

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Speaker 3: He played coy what a take three or four sitting

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Speaker 3: downs before he finally broke broke.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't admit that anything happened to do

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Speaker 4: with Anna Man had secrets.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you know it wasn't There's one part in

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Speaker 1: the transcripts where you refer to him as a fagot?

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Speaker 2: Did I?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the full quote. Is the Swami turned out

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Speaker 2: Damn? Well know it's different times back then.

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Speaker 1: It's a slightly awkward moment because on one hand he

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Speaker 1: He meant, Mick Bowden and his ex boyfriend. Okay, so

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Speaker 5: Yeah, six months and then she's driving that sweet sweet Jedda.

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Speaker 5: Cops are dicks.

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: And uh yeah, he took our shanger laf fucking bitch.

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Speaker 2: She pulled the bullets and this this tree over here,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and where they end up there inevidently in a

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Speaker 1: Man, I would I'd love to see that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Talked a lot on man mm hmm. She got to

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Speaker 2: Tell you me, That's what I'll miss.

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Speaker 3: Red tape typing reports, filing reports of dating reports.

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Speaker 2: You want me to get a recall? I think if

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Speaker 2: I came in with you, she might give us a film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'd be grayer.

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Speaker 7: Well, poor Robert Maldonado can enjoy his retirement.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, me too, trust me, me too. Uh And I

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Speaker 1: Lachlan explained that they didn't have the resources to reopen

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Speaker 7: They're not there.

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Speaker 1: I'm not there.

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Speaker 7: And that's when you're talking new testimony, new evidence.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean doesn't like me coming forward? Isn't that

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Speaker 7: I'm making a podcast. Ouch, there's never been anything to

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Speaker 1: Who is this?

441
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm not I'm trying to still gather, you know,

442
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 8: all the background and but basically what they're saying there

443
00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 8: are some contradictions. Contradictions maybe or you know, maybe it's

444
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 8: easy to clear up, but I really can't do that

445
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 8: unless I can see the evidence.

446
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 7: Okay, is this person on the record.

447
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: It was a good question. I had a phone number

448
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: for Sparks, the Google pin to a garage, but I

449
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: didn't even have a last name.

450
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I have them recorded, but I still

451
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 8: need to get par officials.

452
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 7: All right, Look, if you're serious, I'll put someone on

453
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 7: this all right.

454
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, you mean like a detective, like a liaison.

455
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 7: Okay, this person will be our contact from now on.

456
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 7: So you give them what you've got and they will

457
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Speaker 7: coordinate access.

458
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Speaker 1: Did you hear how she slipped in? You give them

459
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: what you got? Was I expected to hand over my

460
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: recordings for accents? I wasn't ready to do that because

461
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: Sparks didn't just accuse Maldonado of slashing up a couch

462
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: and blocking his chill spot. And he wasn't only saying relied.

463
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: He took aim at Maldonado in the entire Sheriff's department.

464
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Speaker 11: You want to talk about how this guy could look

465
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 11: the other way when it comes to Nick.

466
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Speaker 5: You got to talk.

467
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Speaker 11: About his can pay the next year and paid for

468
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 11: that shit.

469
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Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you mean, Like, is Maldonado like

470
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: stealing from crime scenes or.

471
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 5: Something, no legit money. He was a sheriff.

472
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Speaker 11: That's an elected position.

473
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Speaker 5: Right, Mick definitely got a pass Daddy promises Samoolah. They

474
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 5: half asked their investigation. It goes away.

475
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Speaker 1: That's a big allegation. I know, I know, and it's

476
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: kind of paranoid, but also not impossible. Mixed. Dad was wealthy,

477
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: well connected, and it was weird to me that Maldonado

478
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: fixated on Elric and the tender hearts. Okay, what about

479
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: the smaller stuff because this car thing, it's interesting that

480
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: Mick bought a car, a Jetta and she changed her story. Right,

481
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: you could try the DMV or maybe if she read

482
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: stood for new insurance. But if you get access to

483
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Speaker 1: the files, this just gets a little bit easier. I

484
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: had no idea what my chances were now that Lachlan

485
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: had passed me off to a new liaison, someone named

486
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Speaker 1: Thomas Greer. It seemed obvious that Lachlan was trying to

487
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: get me off or back let someone else stonewall me.

488
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I needed more information from Sparks like to start his

489
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Speaker 1: full name, but he didn't show up for our second meeting.

490
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: While I sat in my car, I called Chris, so,

491
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Speaker 1: I'm back here at the garage. Nada. How much do

492
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: you know about this guy? Waited for over an hour.

493
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous. Greer had set a time

494
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: for us to meet at the Sheriff's department. I invited

495
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Maldonado to hoping he could vouch me, but in terms

496
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Speaker 1: of intel to offer, I felt like I had nothing.

497
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: I just knew I didn't want to be an actor

498
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: making a podcast. How is this? Yes, that's a giant Yes, okay,

499
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I think to wear glasses good? Yes, So I put

500
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: on the one sports code I had packed and my glasses.

501
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to look serious smart, which yes, means that

502
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: in order to not be an actor, I dressed in

503
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: a costume, literally the most actor thing in the world. Yeah, hi,

504
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: U Raderstrong, I'm here to Thomas Greer. Turns out I

505
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more wrong in how to prepare to

506
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: meet officer career mister Sean Hunter, because he was a

507
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: boy meets World super fan, like I know you, Oh

508
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: cool dude, I grew up on you. I used to

509
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: hate being recognized, especially in my hometown. When you're a kid,

510
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: anything that makes you stand out is just mortifying. But

511
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: these days people tell me that they know who I am,

512
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: or that they liked the show, and it's great. It's

513
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: wholly positive. N percent of the time, Greer might be

514
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: the other one percent. You know, you actually met my cousin.

515
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: I did, Susan Lacy, you remember, I know? Yeah, you

516
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: were taking her to prom.

517
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 10: Really, of course you don't remember, and you were probably

518
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 10: told every girl that you were going to prom.

519
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Man, you were the man. It was awkward, but suddenly

520
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: I was optimistic you might open the case file.

521
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: Oh tapanga, dude, topanga.

522
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh she was hot, that good and you didn't hit

523
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: that luckily. When Maldonado arrived, Greer shifted into a more

524
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: professional mode.

525
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah you too, Yeah, I've seen a lot of Maldonado

526
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 4: tags around here.

527
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. He walked us past the lobby and into

528
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: the building, which, if I was honest, I wanted to

529
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: be like a James Bond facade that once we walked

530
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: through the doors, there would actually be a high tech

531
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: storage facility. People in lab coats standing over beakers, metal

532
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: shelving a gun range, but it was just more office building.

533
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: The two of them went into a room and left

534
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: me in the hallway. I sat on a chair waiting,

535
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: and suddenly it felt like every audition I've ever been on.

536
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: And then Monica called, Hey, what's up? Hey? So maybe

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: the drug dealer isn't that so crazy after all? What

538
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: do you mean?

539
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 6: Registered her Jenna on November eighteen, nineteen ninety five.

540
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: So she had a new car within two weeks.

541
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I gotta go, gotta go.

542
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Maldonado and Greer took me into an evidence review room.

543
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Let me now you want to pull, which is how

544
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: I found myself looking at an evidence catalog like a

545
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: menu with too many options. What did I want to see?

546
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: The CDs, bullet fragments, none of it really. The most

547
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: important thing was checking out making stories, but Maldonado was encouraging.

548
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: I don't never know, might not something loose that?

549
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 10: Okay, well it's a little superficial, but I would love

550
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 10: to see some of this stuff, like this book maybe,

551
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 10: And then could I see the bullets?

552
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I held the three bullets from the tree in my hand. Wow,

553
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm actually smaller than I thought. They were tiny flattened

554
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: bits of metal, and Anna's copy of the book The

555
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman was well worn.

556
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: It was it was like, I don't know a lot

557
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: of kids read it. It's like this.

558
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 10: New age philosophy book. What's this other note?

559
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Here in the catalog after the Way of the Peaceful

560
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: Warrior was a line that said damage heart spelled hart.

561
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: That might be a note that the book is damaged,

562
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: or could be a type of damaged art.

563
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: Couldn't help it. I kind of love the poetic value

564
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: of the line damage Heart, but I had already made

565
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: career go back to the storage too many times. I

566
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: was only treading water and binding time because I'd already

567
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: seen the list of interviews. Can I just look at

568
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: these transcripts with Mick and.

569
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: You got it?

570
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: Boss?

571
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: What do you think? I'm just wondering about the timeline

572
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: that night? No more the investigation power most. At this

573
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: point I had my notebook out on the table, which

574
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: was a mess of scribbles. But right around here I

575
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: realized I had written notes about Sparks, including the words

576
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Maldo is a villain circled. I covered it up with

577
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: my arm. Well, yeah, because Mick stopped talking to you,

578
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: but hate lawyered up, and you never thought about her

579
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: rescue it for what we didn't have crime.

580
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: We're still hoping, I mean actually mostly expecting that she

581
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: might call up in a month or two and say, hey, Mom,

582
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: so I had to golf.

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00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Greer came back with the transcripts. I'm pretty sure these

584
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: are the ones you wanted. A rich yep, oh wow.

585
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 7: So.

586
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Comes in. But it's not until this interview, which is

587
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: her third one, that she says that she was with

588
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Mick but correct. That was right after Elrick's alibi, right

589
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: at the moment when attention would have focused on Mick.

590
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: I pulled out my phone to take a photo of

591
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: the pages, but Greer stopped me.

592
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: No photos?

593
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, do you can write down what you want?

594
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: I can go back to Lachlan.

595
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: It's probably not a big deal.

596
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: But I got to get a clue.

597
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: How long is that without it? Donna Maldonado threw his

598
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: hands up. He was also frustrated. I'm not proud of

599
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: what I did. Next, I excuse myself to the bathroom.

600
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: There's a story everyone knows about somebody famous. You've heard

601
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: it about someone It's a story where a famous person

602
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: can't get into a restaurant or a club, or they

603
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: get pulled over for a speeding ticket, and they say,

604
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: don't you know who I am? It's probably never true,

605
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: but the point of the story is, look at this

606
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: sad famous person. Look how desperate they are and pathetic,

607
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: how much they expect, how much they demand, how much

608
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: they rely on status. These stories haunt me. I guess

609
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: they haunt anyone who gets recognized. It's a story about

610
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: how not to be if you're famous. And yet here

611
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I was making a phone call. Hey, all right, I

612
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: have a really big favor. I know this is super annoying,

613
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: but do you have a second right now? Hey, I

614
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: thought you might want to say hi to a friend

615
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: of mine. I had called Danielle Fischel, my old cast

616
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: made from Boybeat's World. Yes to Panga on FaceTime?

617
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, you didn't.

618
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Is this he did? Now Here's where I realized I

619
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: hadn't thought any of this through at all. I had

620
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: distracted career got him out of the room, but in

621
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: doing so, I had also just let my phone, the

622
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: very thing I needed to take photos of the pages,

623
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: walk out the door. You hear that sound right there.

624
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: That's mal Donado dropping his phone on the table right

625
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: in front of me, and then he gave a little

626
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: go ahead wave with his hands.

627
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 9: So I picked up his phone and I took photos

628
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 9: of every page I could.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks for this, Yeah, no problem. I

630
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: hope you got something good for the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

632
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a confusing moment because I was thankful

633
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I needed copies of these documents, and Maldonado had helped me,

634
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: So on one hand, makes me feel like he's a

635
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: good guy. On the other, doesn't this lend credence to

636
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the idea that he's willing to bend the rules, that

637
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: he's corruptible? Hey, uh, thanks for that.

638
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: Of course, I told you the one thing I don't

639
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: miss red tape.

640
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm naive, but I've always wanted to believe that

641
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: people do the right thing for its own sake. But

642
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: so much of life as a series of trade offs.

643
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: You help person because they've helped you. You have your

644
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: friend Danielle talk to a fan for you. You give

645
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: information or withhold information from the police, and sometimes you

646
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: end up with a slash couch. Other times you get

647
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the evidence you need. Now, I had copies of the

648
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: interviews with Mick and I was able to build a timeline,

649
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: and sure enough, between their interviews with the Sheriff's Department,

650
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: both Mick and had changed her story. Whether he paid

651
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: her off with the Sweet Sweet Jetta or not, it

652
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: certainly looked like they coordinated, like they could have worked

653
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: together to secure mixed alibi. And if Maldonado was a

654
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: villain wanted to look the other way, that might have

655
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: been enough, more than anything I needed to hear from Instead.

656
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Speaker 1: As insane as this sounds, I heard from Ana. The

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Speaker 1: Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by River Straw.

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Speaker 1: Sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bow milkis produced by

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Speaker 1: Tess Bartholomey. Executive producers at iHeartRadio Trevor Young and Matt Frederick.

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Speaker 1: Associate producer Bo milkis original score by Kyle Morgan. If

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Speaker 1: you're enjoying the show, please remember to leave a review

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Speaker 1: in rating. Thanks for listening,