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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. And fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 1: we your faithful correspondence, are returning to you from some

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Speaker 1: time on the road. As we were pursuing the Hoover Dam,

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Speaker 1: the intricacies of casinos and other things, a lot of

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Speaker 1: other strange event occurred. It's not just it's not just you, folks,

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Speaker 1: It's not just us. Many extraordinary events are in play.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard some scuttle butt recently about multiple

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Speaker 1: children going missing in Ohio, particularly in the Cleveland area.

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Speaker 1: Turns out that might be a little bit of sensationalism.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard about an artist who got a

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Speaker 1: little big for their breeches over in Denmark, and that

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Speaker 1: part is true. You may have heard about a massive

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Speaker 1: raid on an occult terrorist sect also in Europe. That

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Speaker 1: part is also true. But one thing that you need

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Speaker 1: to know mediately if you are in the United States

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Speaker 1: is about the Gulf Coast, and perhaps that's where we

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Speaker 1: start with one of our absolute favorite cities.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Nolans Oil or New Orleans, NA. Yes, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: really we're starting with water. You like water, right, We

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Speaker 2: talk about this on the show quite often. Water's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It does a lot of things. Yeah, it's mit. It

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Speaker 2: does a lot of things. It's in the things you

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Speaker 2: like to drink usually, no matter what it is that

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Speaker 2: you're drinking, you know, it sustains you. It is most

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Speaker 2: of you. It makes the things grow that you eat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty good water. Actually, you know what, I think

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Speaker 2: water might be tops Ben, It's.

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Speaker 1: The number one. Thank you, Matt. Nice nice dunk on that, Aliop, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: Water is by far the primary thing the human organism

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Speaker 1: needs to survive. You can go about two weeks if

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Speaker 1: you're human without without ingesting solid food. Your timeline for

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Speaker 1: existing without water is much abbreviated. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: huge thing. I was looking at on Instagram. You guys

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Speaker 1: may have seen it. I was looking at this map

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Speaker 1: of where to move in a one hundred or fifty

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Speaker 1: Lakes region is probably one of the best here in

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Speaker 1: the US, simply because of that massive amount of potable water.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, I just came around to regular

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Speaker 3: water recently. I didn't know. It's so good. It makes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fresh and very good.

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Speaker 3: You know, ice ad a little ice, It's a game changer, fellas.

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Speaker 1: Now, some cultures say that if you add ice to

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Speaker 1: the water, if you drink cold water, it will create

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Speaker 1: stomach cancer. That is scientifically untrue. No offense to ancient

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Speaker 1: Chinese medicine. However, however, if you start, if you have

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Speaker 3: You know. I did hear though that for exercising, room

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Speaker 3: temperature water is better, because I think ice cold water

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Speaker 3: that's what my no exercise buddy told me.

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Speaker 2: Too bad. I'm still taking the ice, all right. So guys,

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Speaker 2: Water's great. We're talking about a lot fresh water, in particular,

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Speaker 2: so in rivers that flow through the United States in

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Speaker 2: particularly the Mississippi River, the big old river that kind

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Speaker 2: So that's a huge volume of water flowing through the

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Speaker 2: But because there's not enough water basically pressure pushing up

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Speaker 1: But oh, that's not that big of a deal, right.

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Speaker 2: But Ben Noel, what are some problems that could occur

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Speaker 3: Salt water intrusion perhaps exactlyting freshwater supplies like the I

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Speaker 2: Now imagine this water that same problem, right, because it

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work, right, because then there would be desalination

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Speaker 2: It would be a whole different facility that you would

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Speaker 3: Which are very expensive, I think, prohibitively expensive. In some cases.

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Speaker 3: People are always asking like, why can't we make drinking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge thing. You have to come up

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Speaker 2: with a plan. How does how does the investment into

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Speaker 2: think about the toll roads on the Highway four hundred

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a success story, though.

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Speaker 2: That is a success story. In this case, though, we're

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Speaker 2: as we're recording, it is moving up the Mississippi River.

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Speaker 2: It has already affected several places that are several places

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Speaker 1: And for anybody outside of Louisiana, a parish is a county.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, absolutely, I should have mentioned that. Let me

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Speaker 2: just read a bit from this Time article from September

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. It is titled What to

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Speaker 2: Know about the saltwater threat to Louisiana's drinking water supply.

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Speaker 2: You can find it right now. Here is a quote

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Speaker 2: New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell signed an emergency declaration for

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Speaker 2: the city of New Orleans. Now why because New Orleans

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Speaker 2: that says don't drink your water instead take the bottled water,

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Speaker 2: and authorities are attempting to make fixes here, guys. When

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Speaker 1: What's it called Bureau of Reclamation?

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Speaker 2: Bureau of Reclamation.

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Speaker 1: It only matters if you are on the western side

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Ben is. It's as kind of came together here.

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Speaker 2: But if you're on the western side, is Department of Reclamation,

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Speaker 2: at least to my understanding, And maybe this is wrong.

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Speaker 2: out there attempting to fix things here. But how do

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Speaker 2: you fix a ton of salt water creeping underneath a

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Speaker 2: riverbed like that?

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. It's a question the Middle East

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Speaker 1: quarreled with quarrels with as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one of the solutions, guys, is to build something.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a levee. It's not exactly the

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Speaker 2: but something that would be a physical barrier that's placed

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Speaker 1: So what of the people in the city of New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: That it means, don't panic, but maybe buy some of

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Speaker 1: And also on the note of Casual Preppers, to our

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Speaker 3: I missed you guys too. I was on a little

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be drinking out of puddles before you know it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the it's the sawyer.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. That was it.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, many is the best one in terms of affordability anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, oh but here is here is the

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Speaker 3: What happens if you drink salt water bad for you

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Speaker 2: I'm just kind of it can be really really bad

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Speaker 2: If that's all you're getting, that's it. But I mean

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a horrible situation. Okay, we've gone long enough here, guys.

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Speaker 2: For more information, do just Google search the term salt water.

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Speaker 2: That's one word intrusion, and you can learn all about this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: And we're back with more strange news. This one comes

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Speaker 3: from the often absurd, occasionally interesting world of high art,

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Speaker 3: fine art, conceptual art. I think we're all art lovers here,

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Speaker 3: but you know, a banana taped to a wall. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how that qualifies as urt. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guess it's an open conversation, like what is art? Conversations

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Speaker 3: has been happening for a long time, many many hundreds

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Speaker 3: of course you got the whole NFT boom. There's another

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Speaker 3: I know who knew who saw it coming. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about today? Is it can crime be art gentlemen? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you always hear about the perfect

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Speaker 3: considered an artistic statement or a form of protest perhaps, Well,

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Speaker 3: Just to pronounce the kroner, it just sounds very intense.

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Speaker 3: And they instructed him, with these funds to make a

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Speaker 3: So they wanted them to do that again, and he,

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Speaker 1: And how'd to go?

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Speaker 2: That's the statement?

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Speaker 3: It did not go well. Despite the uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: has I don't know, it has an interesting quality. It's

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Speaker 3: But I guess it's not because I'm looking at it

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Speaker 3: also think that in general, isn't basic income better in

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Speaker 3: So that's what they were expecting. That's they had paid

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Speaker 3: better than what we had planned on what is the problem?

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Speaker 3: What is the problem? Indeed, so the museum is suing

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Speaker 1: Sure it has an observer. The definition of art is

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Speaker 1: could you tell our fellow conspiracy realist the extent of

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Speaker 1: what he turned in for those US equivalent seventy grand like,

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Speaker 1: how did he turn in a bunch of blank canvases?

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Speaker 3: Two? Two?

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Speaker 3: And first of all, I want to say, frames are expensive,

437
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Speaker 3: so you think they would have given them a little

438
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Speaker 3: credit for just the framing job. It's a pretty nice,

439
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Speaker 3: bespoke looking frame.

440
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Speaker 1: Arguably the whole thing is a frame job.

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Speaker 3: Well hey, well, well put Ben. I don't know if

442
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Speaker 3: you've ever been to like even like Michael's or something

443
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Speaker 3: to try to get something professionally framed. It can be

444
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Speaker 3: quite expensive. You pick by five hundred dollars more for

445
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: the frame than you do for the work of art,

446
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: which is definitely what's going on here, because contained within

447
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 3: that canvas is absolutely nothing. Ben, I believe you referred

448
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: to this as a tabula rosa type situation, absolute blank canvas,

449
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: nothing to it. So they're very upset. They did display

450
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Speaker 3: the art briefly, does it really It's not really clear

451
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: why they took it down. It says here in this

452
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: article from the Smithsonian that the by the way, the

453
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Speaker 3: museum is called the Kunston Museum of Modern Art in Denmark,

454
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: being a German and a Danish word for art seems

455
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: kind of redundant. It's the Art Museum of Modern Art.

456
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny. But yeah, they did display it

457
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: for a bit and says here they you know, they

458
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Speaker 3: put it out under an exhibition titled take the Money

459
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Speaker 3: and run. Oh, but it says when they did it

460
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: like a normal show, like I guess, you would typically

461
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: do an opening and then the show would stick around

462
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: for a while, usually you know, a couple of months,

463
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Speaker 3: but it's not clear quite how long it ran. So

464
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Speaker 3: but when the show ended and he made it clear

465
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Speaker 3: he was not going to return the money, they did

466
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Speaker 3: file a lawsuit for I guess it's a breach of contract.

467
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Speaker 3: And he puts it this way when he spoke to

468
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Speaker 3: reporters for the Smithsonian. It's not theft, it's a breach

469
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Speaker 3: of contract. And breach of contract is part of the work.

470
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Speaker 3: And yeah, the court did give him a little bit

471
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Speaker 3: of a credit six thousand dollars, which they referred to

472
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Speaker 3: as confidence of the time that the gallery displayed is

473
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Speaker 3: his work. But they have ruled, and I believe he

474
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Speaker 3: is going to appeal. There's a four week appeal period

475
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Speaker 3: window and as long as the case is still up

476
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Speaker 3: for potential appeal. The art museum does the representative of

477
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Speaker 3: the Art Museum does not plan on commenting further.

478
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that can be the legal proceedings can

479
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Speaker 1: become part of the canvas, right, part of the art.

480
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Speaker 3: That that's a really good point. Maybe this is all

481
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: in his design and his master plan. He even said, like,

482
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: I just spent the money on like groceries and stuff,

483
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: you know, Like, you know, he said, nothing extravagant. Let's see, Yeah,

484
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: I said, I will go so far as to say

485
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 3: the piece is that I have taken the money. The

486
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: two empty frames are actually representation of the concept. So

487
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Speaker 3: more important than the absence of money is that I've

488
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Speaker 3: taken the money. This guy's ballsy, man like. I kind

489
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: of love it. I kind of hate it. I kind

490
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: of think it's genius. I kind of think it's idiotic.

491
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Speaker 3: I'm clearly very much on the fence about this. What

492
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Speaker 3: do you guys think is this art? Is this commenting

493
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Speaker 3: on something of value, It's creating a conversation.

494
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Speaker 1: What do you think?

495
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Speaker 3: Matt, I'm fascinated by this.

496
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I need to know in the artist's original

497
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: things that we're going to be recreated for this feat, right,

498
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: we were talking about it's actually looking at the money with.

499
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Speaker 1: The money was for.

500
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, gave him the money to put it on. I'm

501
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: just not clocking that, you're right, Matt, Sorry.

502
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: Well, but but this is what I don't fully understand it.

503
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: They gave him a lot of money. You know, when

504
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 2: you think about physically the bills and that would actually

505
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: go on there. There was a pretty huge number, right,

506
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: five hundred something thousand, five hundred and.

507
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: Thirty two thousand, five hundred and forty nine Danish kroner.

508
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a material, as like a medium.

509
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what the denominations of kroner are either.

510
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: So you know, but still like that seems like a

511
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: lot of it sounds like a lot of stuff that

512
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: you could use to create a thing. Sounds very intricate

513
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: to me. Sounds like a lot of work, sounds like

514
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, all this stuff. It does feel like his

515
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: what is what did you say as stable?

516
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Speaker 1: Was?

517
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: What matters is that I took the money? Yes, right,

518
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: So there's something to that when it comes to either

519
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: taxes and fees that Danish workers have to pay when

520
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 2: they make their what is it? I think it's an

521
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: average forty four and eighty one dollars per month before taxes.

522
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, but then somebody just takes your money. It's

523
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: of course the state. It's the government that takes quite

524
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: a bit of that money. So in a way like

525
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: maybe if it's a statement on taxes, may I think

526
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Speaker 2: you could swing it? Is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I will also defend the I will defend the philosophical

528
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: position of the artist. Furthermore, this is a very clever

529
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: way to create, again, a continued conversation, which is all

530
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: art is in the human experience. It's going to be interesting.

531
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Speaker 1: I love the point about the coupons of currency as

532
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: a physical medium, right, Like if someone collected a montage

533
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: of leaves, that's sort of the same thing. There's just

534
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: a value assigned to the specific pieces of linen and paper.

535
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Speaker 1: The idea, to Noel's point, the idea that there would

536
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: be this would be part and parcel of a participatory

537
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: artistic exhibit ongoing, right, some sort of performance art. Perhaps

538
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: it was, and not to sound to Ocean's eleven or

539
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: too conspiratorial about it, perhaps this stuff getting pulled out

540
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: from the museum. Perhaps that was the goal all along

541
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: to be completely fair. I am of the mind that

542
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: the museum probably put this up and got mocked, got

543
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: bad press, and so took it down. Unless there's somewhere

544
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: in that RFP or somewhere in that grant proposal there's

545
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: something where they said, we'll put it up and then

546
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: we'll manufacture a controversy about it.

547
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

548
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm of two minds. What do you guys think.

549
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I do think that like the extension

550
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: of the work is all of this coverage, is the

551
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: potential fallout, is the court case and whatever precedent it

552
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: might set.

553
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were going to say, whatever groceries

554
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: he got, Yeah.

555
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: Whatever groceries you got, maybe he could tape him to

556
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: the wall and that could be his next exhibition. You know,

557
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be a I get that, like

558
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: the high concept art is interesting and sort of like

559
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: in some ways can be iconoclastic or like you know,

560
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: punk rock, but kind of a little over overkilled to me,

561
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: like a lot of the stuff that you'll see at

562
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: our bassl or you know, some of the super high

563
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: end the kind of art events, sometimes it's just bullshit,

564
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, in my opinion, and like, you know,

565
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: my kid and I went to the Detroit Institute of

566
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Art recently, and so much of the work in there

567
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: is just beyond incredible. And then you'll have occasional works that,

568
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: you know, just kind of like big splatters of block

569
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: color and stuff.

570
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: But I've never.

571
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: Personally gotten those, you know, without some sort of like

572
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: artist statement or historical context. A lot of times those

573
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: things just kind of fall a little flat for me.

574
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: And they are the kinds of things that one might say, well, lot,

575
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: I could have done that. Anyone could have done that,

576
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: and then the response is, well did you, No, you didn't,

577
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: So I get that argument as well.

578
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I heard a similar conversation in the Prado in

579
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Madrid looking at some Picasso work. There was this older

580
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: guy who's like, I could have done that, and there

581
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: was this kid who was maybe seven or eight, clearly

582
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: not the adults child, who said, yeah, but you didn't,

583
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: and you won't.

584
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: It's true. And you know, and a lot of these

585
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: folks that like Picasso, for example, classically trained painter, he

586
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: chose he created an aesthetic that was very much by choice.

587
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: It's not like he drew like a kindergartener because that's

588
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: all he could do. I'm joking. I think Pacasto's work

589
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: is incredible.

590
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

591
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: It's it's moving, the forms, the energy that it captures.

592
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan. But it is a choice in

593
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: an aesthetic style, and oftentimes those types of artists, you know,

594
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: can do like photorealistic painting, they're trained in all of

595
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: that stuff.

596
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: To me, it's a visual voice.

597
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and to me a lot of times

598
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: stuff that falls squarely in the camp of performance art.

599
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: I think it can be really meaningful and moving and interesting,

600
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: but I think it also can be really pretentious and obnoxious.

601
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: And Jerry still find those mutually exclusive.

602
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: No, that's a good point, Ben, No, they are not

603
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: mutually exclusive. But sometimes things can be gallingly pretentious to

604
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: the point where you're just like, this is offensive to me.

605
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: You know that you would expect me to pay for this,

606
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: you know, to even to view it or to give

607
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: it my time. A lot of cool stuff to look at,

608
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: but again, I need to think about this one. It's

609
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: an interesting story. But I think if you guys don't

610
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: have anything.

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Speaker 2: To add, we could take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: And we have returned one last piece of strange news.

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Speaker 1: Amid all the other very strange things that are occurring today.

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Speaker 1: Some neo Nazis got arrested in a massive raid in Germany.

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Speaker 1: That's where our next and final story takes us. These

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Speaker 1: Neo Nazis are part of an occult organization not dissimilar

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Speaker 1: Matt to the how do we say it?

620
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Speaker 2: I don't I think we said? Ah?

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Speaker 4: It is former young German boys A so so this

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Speaker 4: group let's play the reindeer games here art Gemninschaft.

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00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do we do the g's?

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00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: That's it? Yeah, you nailed it. Thanks, could have put

625
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: a little more stank on it, but.

626
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: Well, doc, can I get applause? Q? Anyway?

627
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: I knew it.

628
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm at the edge. But the German UH German

629
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Speaker 1: Police Force carried out a massive raid on this network.

630
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: And this network is a private group, but this raid

631
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Speaker 1: went across the entire country. It is a far right

632
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Speaker 1: group that the German government and the various European press agencies,

633
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: including the Guardian described as a quote cult like, deeply

634
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Speaker 1: racist and anti Semitic association. And the reason they finally

635
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: got popped is that they sought to indoctrinate children with

636
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: Nazi ideology. Now, of course, fellow conspiracy realist, we don't

637
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: want to ever sound like we're being wilfully ignorant. We

638
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: don't want to ever sound like we are talking down

639
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: to anybody. But if you are listening to this podcast

640
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: in English, then you know why Germany is a little

641
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: bit sensitive about the anti Semitic Nazi stuff.

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00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've ever been to a German museum, many

643
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: of them are founded by, you know, famously anti Semitic folks,

644
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: and they do a really good job of owning that history,

645
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, in the plaques and you know, placards throughout

646
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: these types of places on the museum island in Berlin

647
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: in particular, but you know all over the country.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: There's a word for it too, I think, ever getting

650
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: into fun German words, there is a word for the

651
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: collective grief and guilt over Nazism in Germany, and it

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Speaker 3: is called bi hungen heightsvangen heights, bevautigun. It just refers

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Speaker 3: to a collective looking back and acknowledgment of the past,

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Speaker 3: specifically in terms of what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, and thank you again.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: This was a maybe not necessarily unprecedented, but it was

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal use of German law enforcement. So German officers

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Speaker 1: stormed twenty six apartments belonging to forty different members of

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Speaker 1: this network, and they're in twelve different German states. All

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Speaker 1: the hits Bavaria, Brandenburg. The association is. You'll hear a

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Speaker 1: couple different things depending on the new sources. BBC Global

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Speaker 1: News did a piece about it and they said they're

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Speaker 1: around three hundred members. The association, per the Guardian, has

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Speaker 1: around one hundred and fifty members, but these are all

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Speaker 1: inter linked. They're all vin diagrams of far right organizations

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Speaker 1: of one sort or another.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's weird for me because twenty six homes belonging

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Speaker 2: to thirty nine members, even if it's across twelve states,

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Speaker 2: doesn't sound like that much of a blow to a

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Speaker 2: movement unless you know there are really one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty members in total, right, But I'm.

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Speaker 1: One hundred fifty two, three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, gotcha sprinting on how.

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Speaker 1: Many children they have brainwashed at the time of recording.

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Speaker 2: Which is really the danger, right if a child is

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Speaker 2: never able to escape that lens as we were talking

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Speaker 2: about the other day, Ben like, because the idea and

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Speaker 2: ideology like that taught to you by parents or adults

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Speaker 2: in your life is something that later can be changed

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Speaker 2: or removed, but that takes time and almost like.

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Speaker 3: Wood processing kind of almost right, Yeah, what is that term?

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Speaker 3: Defeat prayer? Is the word I said reprocessing with program.

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Speaker 1: Both are correct. You know, this is a descendant of

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Speaker 1: some of the ultimate aims of the World War two

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Speaker 1: era Nazi regime. They would function in ostensible step with nice,

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Speaker 1: they would function an ostensible step with Christianity. But the

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Speaker 1: idea was to ultimately replace that religious structure, right, that

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Speaker 1: mental paradigm, and replace it with something that was, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, a little less Jewish in their eyes,

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Speaker 1: something a little more what you would call nego pagan

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Speaker 1: or theosophic. These guys are nasty, nasty business. They have

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Speaker 1: been linked with ideologies. It's kind of like how most

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Speaker 1: people who ride motorcycles are not outlaw bikers, but they

695
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Speaker 1: are a small amount of bikers who are outlaw bikers

696
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Speaker 1: are super dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I feel silly and uninformed even saying this, but I

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Speaker 2: don't know how closely someone promoting the you know, the

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Speaker 2: Nazi ideology, if you put that in quotes, how closely

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Speaker 2: tied that is to nationalism?

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Speaker 1: Right, It's very closely tied, and that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: great direction for us to take. You are right in that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like not all puzzles are mazes, but

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Speaker 1: all mazes are puzzles inherently. So there are far right

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Speaker 1: groups operative in Germany that are not going to self

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Speaker 1: describe as Nazis, but they will agree with a lot

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Speaker 1: of the things, you know what I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: right wing extremism, and such may create strange bedfellows, especially

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Speaker 1: given Germany's current negotiations and navigation around immigration. Sorry I'm

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Speaker 1: accidentally freestyling there, but there's also there's also a long held,

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Speaker 1: pretty strict state position in Germany which says that if

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Speaker 1: you are a private organization, you have a right to exist,

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Speaker 1: if you are not threatening other people, if you're not

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Speaker 1: if you're not doing that stuff that happens with end

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Speaker 1: of Time's cults where you say, hey, you know, let's

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Speaker 1: all let's all drink the flavor aid on you know,

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Speaker 1: insert date here, then you should be fine to go However, understandably,

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Speaker 1: the nation state of Germany is pretty sensitive to the

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Speaker 1: rise of extremism, fascism, and of course neo Nazi behavior.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like that's that's where we get to

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Speaker 1: our earlier conversation about whether any book should be banned.

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Speaker 1: I may be painting with a broad brush, but I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, given strong precedent, I would rather mind Kompf

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Speaker 1: not be legal reading in Germany. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is this group has been accused by the

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Speaker 1: German government of using a pseudo religious, neo pagan ostensible

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Speaker 1: belief in God to spread a worldview that advocates against

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Speaker 1: anyone who is not born in the appropriate demographic.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because I mean dangerous. You could say that

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Speaker 3: about certain forms of extremist religions others that exist, you know,

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Speaker 3: like Jihati kind of followers, you know, folks that maybe

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Speaker 3: you're wanting to wage Holy war.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, though, because anyone can convert to Islam

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Speaker 1: technically that's true.

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Speaker 3: I guess what I'm just trying to be Devil's advocate

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Speaker 3: here in terms of like, at what point is an

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Speaker 3: ideology inherently toxic and evil, you know, And at what

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Speaker 3: point does it require, like we've got to take action

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Speaker 3: by removing the ability for certain literature to exist. Yah, slippery, slow,

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Speaker 3: But it's I don't know the answer. I'm thinking out loud.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a fascinating point.

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Speaker 1: There's a thing that this group wrote called Confession of Species,

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Speaker 1: in which it enumerates the quote guiding principles. They say

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Speaker 1: there is a struggle that is naturally necessary for all

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Speaker 1: becoming being and passing away. And instead of the term race,

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Speaker 1: these the term species or the term art. It's bad medicine.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason their membership is so small is

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Speaker 1: only northern born people may become members, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of like any It's like an investment board, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at that network. Any members of this

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Speaker 1: group tend to also be members concurrently with other far

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Speaker 1: right groups or neo fascists. I think they call it

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Speaker 1: the the new Right is how it would translate in English.

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Speaker 1: But it's guys, it's so unusual for the German police

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Speaker 1: to carry out a raid of this magnitude and matt

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Speaker 1: to your point, it sounds like a very small amount

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Speaker 1: of people. But I would argue especially given the rise

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Speaker 1: in right wing identification in the nation state of Germany.

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Speaker 1: I would argue this is setting an example. This is

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Speaker 1: putting the spooky in the bones of a couple of

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Speaker 1: other people who might have been planning some other things.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to be completely honest on that regard.

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like Germany has been banning several of

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Speaker 2: these groups. What did did you mention the other one?

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Speaker 2: Ben Ham Hammerskins skinne I don't know how to say it.

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Speaker 1: Oh Romstein, Yeah, no, du host went to to hast

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Speaker 1: went moth. Sorry, No, you're right, you're right, Yeah, tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about this other group that was banned.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's well, I'm not really sure that you LinkedIn

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Speaker 2: Al Jazeera article in our doc here and at the

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Speaker 2: very end it states that as this was being written

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Speaker 2: on September twenty seventh, today they said last week Germany

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Speaker 2: quote outlawed the local chapter of the US based it

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Speaker 2: looks like hammer Skins h A M E. R s

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Speaker 2: k I n S, a neo Nazi group known for

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Speaker 2: its white supremacist rock concerts. And then in sorry, and

778
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Speaker 2: then just in tracking down some more information on the

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Speaker 2: art one that we're talking about. There's there's several like

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Speaker 2: it's interlocking organizations or organizations that have connective tissues to them,

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Speaker 2: like several others. One that's roughly translated to family association. Sure, yeah,

782
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: seems like there. I guess my whole point of this

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Speaker 2: is that it seems like Germany is taking steps to

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Speaker 2: at least officially ban these groups and then actually stop

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Speaker 2: some of the prominent members.

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Speaker 1: Yes, up to and including a little bit of pre

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Speaker 1: crime if we're being honest, because there is a long

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Speaker 1: history of powers to the East using those groups, which

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Speaker 1: again are private entities, using those groups as a means

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Speaker 1: of asymmetric conversation. You could call it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to call it warfare, but it's an easy way to

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Speaker 1: get inside things. And Germany may be maybe cracking down

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Speaker 1: on these because they finally said, hey, we don't like

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Speaker 1: neo Nazis. However, I advanced to all of us listening

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Speaker 1: today that there were actionable, in crete operations that they

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Speaker 1: were nipping off at the butt, and whatever it was

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Speaker 1: or would have been, was of significance enough that they

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Speaker 1: went ahead and bucked on their own laws as a nation.

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Speaker 5: There's a I don't know if it's a greater good argument,

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Speaker 5: or if it's a not again, not here argument, because

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Speaker 5: they don't have school shootings at near the frequency of

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Speaker 5: the United States.

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Speaker 3: That's that's right, and that's that's true. And it does

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Speaker 3: make you think, is our freedom of speech, like does

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Speaker 3: it come at what costs? You know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 3: because you could argue that this kind of stuff is

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Speaker 3: sort of a clamp down on freedom of speech, but

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Speaker 3: it seems to be a well meaning one, dare I say,

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Speaker 3: a necessary one? And we just I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the same way that so many constitutional kind of

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Speaker 3: purists just believe that they have to follow the letter

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Speaker 3: of the Constitution and stuff. It is what leads to

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Speaker 3: things like gun violence. It is what leads to a

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Speaker 3: lot of like very preventable deaths and to your point,

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Speaker 3: school shootings. And then you know, it's so difficult to

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Speaker 3: actually officially shut something down as hate speech because it

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Speaker 3: has to be actionable. And in the same way that

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Speaker 3: you can't say this guy's gonna do a crime, police

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Speaker 3: go get him. That doesn't work. They got to wait

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Speaker 3: till a person's already killed the person. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I just it makes you think in terms of like,

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Speaker 3: at what cost is our quote unquote freedom of speech

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Speaker 3: to sew.

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Speaker 1: This up, which there may well be an episode in

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Speaker 1: this story to sort up. In addition to the raids,

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Speaker 1: the federal government of Germany has banned the existence of

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Speaker 1: this organization in particular, as well as the many subgroups

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Speaker 1: with which it is attached, at least ones that we

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Speaker 1: know of now. The question that people in the halls

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Speaker 1: of power are asking themselves over in Germany is who

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Speaker 1: is a member? Right? Who did they not catch? And

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Speaker 1: what are those people capable of doing if they continue

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Speaker 1: to function as though they support the society in which

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Speaker 1: they live. These are questions for another day. There is

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Speaker 1: much much more strange news on the way. We can't

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Speaker 1: thank you enough, conspiracy realists, but we will try. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Like your thinking. There ben no that could be fine.

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