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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: team assiduously digging through correspondence. We're searching the corners of

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Speaker 1: social media. We're reading wonderful letters from the very best

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Speaker 1: with you. So we're gonna get a little spooky with it.

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Speaker 1: A little spooky as as the kids say, these days

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Speaker 1: it because we've been receiving so many wonderful stories about

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Speaker 1: things that can't be explained. If you don't want to

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Speaker 1: call them paranormal, that's fine. If you don't want to

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Speaker 1: say ghost, that's fine too. But it turns out a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, even people who consider those hells die

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, what better way to start that? Uh,

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Speaker 1: A haunted apartment? Yes, and we really have to give

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Speaker 1: Nick a hand for sending us this voicemail and you

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Speaker 1: this is Nick and an Arbor, Michigan. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, my wife and I moved into

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Speaker 1: about a hundred years old. UM, really a lot of

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Speaker 1: a normal, you know kind of life there. Uh. What

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Speaker 1: black ash, very large. It had to be seven or

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Speaker 1: We called them and and asked, you know, had anyone

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Speaker 1: They told us no, no one had in the apartment.

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Speaker 1: There was nothing scheduled, No maintenance people have been in there.

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Speaker 1: so right to paraphrase Jackson, Nick, this is not a

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Fritz, you've joined the dark brotherhood

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Speaker 1: the guy just a murder suspect. That's exactly right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's they attracted it in a tweet and apologized.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, and then they also there was also

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Speaker 1: in fighting with the law enforcement organizations like the county sheriff.

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Speaker 1: This took place in place called Ramsey County. A guy

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Speaker 1: named Bob Fletcher. He went public and accused the U

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Speaker 1: S Marshals of being misleading when they talked about their

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Speaker 1: policies regarding body cameras, and he said, you know, here

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Speaker 1: at the Sheriff's office, we repeatedly asked to use body cameras,

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Speaker 1: but we always get denied. Now this, of course, if

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Speaker 1: it's true, and it's unfortunate it didn't get widely reported

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Speaker 1: in the national news for some reason. The public conversation

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Speaker 1: found one face and put one face on a systemic problem, right,

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Speaker 1: and they in doing so, they dehumanized all the other

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Speaker 1: very real, very human victims. And I know, I think

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Speaker 1: it was June seven, right after this, when the d

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Speaker 1: o J announced that federal agents would now be required

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Speaker 1: to wear body cameras for searches, for warranted arrest and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. That was just four days after Winston

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Speaker 1: Smith was murdered. It was on June three. And if

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Speaker 1: you look at the story as it's unfolding now, you

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Speaker 1: will you will see a lot of sketchy stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: conflicting statements from authorities, things that don't match, Strange corrections

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Speaker 1: like the idea of how many cartridge cases were recovered

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Speaker 1: from a vehicle, which is how you know how many

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Speaker 1: times an officer may have fired. It's a story that's

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Speaker 1: not over, you know. And the problem is that for

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Speaker 1: people who don't want these investigations to continue, or for

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Speaker 1: people who don't want these to make the news, it's

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Speaker 1: unfortunately very easy for these stories to get buried unless

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Speaker 1: the public stays on it, you know, and actively pursues

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Speaker 1: it themselves. Agreed. I'm just reading about this for the

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Speaker 1: first time, you guys, I'm sorry, it's a lot. It's um,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking through NPR and NBC and just trying to see,

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Speaker 1: like what all has been said. I'm just putting out

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Speaker 1: here that I like they were having the conversation about

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Speaker 1: body cameras and even the desire for officers and people

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Speaker 1: who run police departments do have those things, like you.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's always and assumed, well, police officers don't

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Speaker 1: want those body cameras. But um, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: complete misthink on my part. Um, Well, I mean it's certainly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on their intention, you know. If

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Speaker 1: they don't want them, that probably meets there up to

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Speaker 1: no good or they plan on being up to do good.

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Speaker 1: And there's plenty of police officers that have nothing but

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Speaker 1: the best of intentions and the best of adherence to

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Speaker 1: protocol and all that. So they would be the ones

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Speaker 1: to be like, well, I've got nothing to hide, so

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Speaker 1: body cam me all day long. You know. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining. It's extra scrutiny right on, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you're doing, whether it's good or bad. It's like

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Speaker 1: having a home or you know, somebody wanting to protect you.

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Speaker 1: It should be scrutiny to protect you if you've not

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Speaker 1: done anything wrong. I would be all for that. If

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Speaker 1: I'm out there just doing what I'm supposed to do it,

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Speaker 1: even if you make a mistake, the body cameras will

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Speaker 1: show what happened, you know. I mean, there's friendly fire

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Speaker 1: incidents all the time. For example, a let's say you

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Speaker 1: accidentally shot and undercover police officer, you know, because they

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Speaker 1: didn't identify themselves properly. The body emeral will show that

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Speaker 1: you did not act with malice. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anybody that would if if they have, you know,

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Speaker 1: their hearts in the right place, that they would be

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Speaker 1: against having body cameras well. If if you'd like to

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Speaker 1: learn more about this, if this is your first time

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00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: hearing of this case, fellow conspiracy realists. Um I I

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Speaker 1: would recommend checking out m PR news the killing Winston Smith.

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Speaker 1: That's in as in Mother Public Radio, not in PR

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Speaker 1: as in Nobel Prize. They've got a good right up here.

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Speaker 1: You can also see some excellent reporting by Vox about

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Speaker 1: this that goes into much more detail. Also, I believe

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Speaker 1: the names of the officers involved have yet to be

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Speaker 1: released to the public because they were apparently working under

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Speaker 1: cover at the time, pursuing something different. By the way,

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Speaker 1: when they got word of uh Smith's location, they did

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Speaker 1: not I d themselves. They just surrounded the guy's car

501
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: with guns drawn. That's that's what we're seeing reported. Dude,

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Speaker 1: if you have a gun in the car, doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what the legality is. If you've got a gun in

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Speaker 1: your car and there are people surrounding your car with

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Speaker 1: guns who were like not police officers at first plans

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Speaker 1: saying I'm a police officer. Why would you not try

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00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: and defend yourself if you could. I don't know, whatever

508
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: it's all, I don't know. It could just be a

509
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: series of bad decisions and miscommunications. But that's why I

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00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: think it's you know, uh, the idea of he was assassinated,

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Speaker 1: you know, for speaking out against police violence. I think

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: that may be a stretch. I don't know. I just

513
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: don't know. It's there's so much of this, it's just

514
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: really starting to be just exhausting and it really just

515
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: takes it just kind of sucks the like out of you.

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00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: After a while, it's like, well, why does it keep happening? Um,

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00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know where. Was he targeted and actually

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00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: assassinated for a reason, or was it just another example

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00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: of police not being properly trained, or how having biases

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00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: that lead them to making these stupid, stupid, knee jerk

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00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: reaction decisions. This is I mean, these are important questions,

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00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: and there are questions that will continue because we're talking

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00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: about a systemic problem here. And I appreciate you pointed

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Speaker 1: out the website Winston Smith was assassinated NOL. This site

525
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: is up now you can get more information. The Vox

526
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: article again, what we know about the police killing Winston Smith,

527
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: highly recommended. The one of the big takeaways if you've

528
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: never heard about this case is to ask yourself, how

529
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: many other ones have I not heard about? How many

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00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: other things didn't didn't make it? You know, to the

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Speaker 1: national news because I assure you there are multiple instances

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00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: and there will be in the future. It's a statistical certitude. Unfortunately,

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00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: it's a it's a sad started to um breaks my

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00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: heart every time we hear about more and I just

535
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: don't see the end in sight. But I don't know.

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: I just get so frustrated because there's there's been what

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00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: feels like forward movement for momentum with these you know,

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00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: to protests and people kind of during COVID, like all

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00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: of these kind of ground swells support for this, and

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00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: then it just kind of feels like it blipped, you know.

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00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: It almost felt like it was like a fad that

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00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people just kind of try it on

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00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: for size, and then now they've kind of moved on.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it does I'm not I'm sorry. I

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: don't mean to sound totally despondent here, but it really

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking, and I hope that we can see another

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00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: ground swell like that where where it feels that's say,

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00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: that same feeling of coming together and not putting up

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00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: with this kind of stuff happened again. Um, But for now,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break here from a sponsor and

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: then come back with more messages from you, and we

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Speaker 1: have returned. We're going to do something special for the

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00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: month of October, which has been verified numerous times by

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Speaker 1: us to be the best month of the year due

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00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: to also having the best holiday of the year, as

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Speaker 1: verified again by us, which is Halloween. So Paul hit

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Speaker 1: us with that music cue perfect, let's get spooky. Earlier,

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Speaker 1: we'd asked for stories, stories like the one Nick just

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Speaker 1: shared with all of us, and I was astonished by

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00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: how many people responded directly. A lot of spooky stuff

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: has happened, right because peek behind the curtain. I'll ask

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00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: for stuff and sometimes there's crickets and sometimes, as in

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00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: this case, it's an avalanche ghostly paranormal stories. So what

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Speaker 1: we're going to do at the end of Listener Mail

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: for the rest of October is share some of your stories,

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Speaker 1: and then Matt Noel and yours truly are gonna talk

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more about them. But we want to see,

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00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: just like Nick asked, we want to see if any

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00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: of these stories touch accord with you. Some are going

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: to be shorter, some are gonna be longer, but we

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00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: hope at least a few really spook you out. So

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00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: settled down, Grab a glass of whatever you like to drink. Uh,

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Speaker 1: turned the lights down low. Stop answering that email, and

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Speaker 1: let's do this. Join us by the fire, Hi, guys,

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00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: says Kate. When I was a teenager, I moved in

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Speaker 1: with my grandmother, who lives within a clearing in the

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00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: Oa Chita National Forest. While unpacking the car, a radio

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00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: suddenly turned on, and no matter which way I turned

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Speaker 1: any dial or pushed a button, it continued to blare

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Speaker 1: at full volume. I often woke with cuts and scratches

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Speaker 1: on my body and swollen and bruised limbs. Knick knacks

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00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: would move around the house. It was just the two

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Speaker 1: of us, and she swears it wasn't her. And plenty

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00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: of other crazy things occurred. Since I moved out. My

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00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: uncle has torn her house down and built her a

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00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: log happen and now residents and visitors alike, even the dogs,

587
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: can hear steps across the porch. I could have been

588
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: sleepwalking and the footsteps could be bears. I guess, so

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I feel like a bear would sound pretty different on

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Speaker 1: the back porch. All I know is when I named

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00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: the ghost Jim Bob and said good night every night,

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00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: I stopped waking up with injuries. That's our first make

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00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: friends with your ghost, you know. I I think that's

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00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: pretty okay. So, first of all, bears on the porch.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone knows this. They always tiptoe

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00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: and they do it on purpose. Uh. So it's always

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00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: on two legs and tiptoeing when bears are on your porch.

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00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: So if you ever hear that gentle pit or pattern,

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00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: just remember it's probably a bear. Is that true? No? Okay,

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Speaker 1: be like, are these are these circus bears trained to

601
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: like balance on balls? They're bear spies. They're bear spies

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: for the bear government. Yeah, this is This is fast

603
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: and because it contains something else, which is corroboration, which

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00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: is other people saying they experienced something. And I thought

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00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: this was I thought Kate, especially the line at the

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Speaker 1: end where you say you've named your ghost. I think

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00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: that's an approach that other people have tried. And however,

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: you want to explain what those folks are experiencing. Uh.

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes they feel like they have made peace with something.

610
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: And that's a very old idea, especially in the world

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: of folklore. Right, you have some kind of creature and

612
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: you leave it in offering, actually paying offerings to otherworldly

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00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: entities is as old as human civilization, the idea of it,

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00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with doing that. What about learning

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00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: the name? Yeah, learning the name. Names have power right

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00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: in folkloric and occult traditions, and if you know an

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00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: entity's true name, then in some ways you can control it.

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Speaker 1: That's the idea at least. And Kate, we'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear more about the further adventures of Jim Bob the

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00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: last time you interacted, uh, last time you saw a

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Speaker 1: bear spy on the porch, and maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: of history about that location, because every place has a

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Speaker 1: past before it waxed to poetic. Let's go to one

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Speaker 1: more ghost story. This comes from Mandy. Mandy says, first,

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Speaker 1: love the show and love you guys, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I just finished listening to your latest listener mail, where

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Speaker 1: you finished up by asking for listeners to share their

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Speaker 1: true haunted stories. So I thought i'd share mine. This

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Speaker 1: happened when I was seventeen during my first semester of

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Speaker 1: college in n I lived in an apartment complex that

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Speaker 1: was meant for college students, so I shared an apartment

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Speaker 1: with three other students while living there, a bunch of crazy,

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Speaker 1: weird stuff happened. Editorializing here. But I get it. It's

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Speaker 1: college anyway, man, he says. But I'm I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to share a couple of those things with you. The

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Speaker 1: first incident I'm going to share was the time when

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Speaker 1: a room of people all saw my double only seconds

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00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: before the actual me entered the room. The way the

639
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: apartment was set up, both my bedroom and the bathroom

640
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: were directly off the living room and in full view

641
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: from my perspective. I walked out of my bedroom about

642
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to head to the bathroom, and when I walked out

643
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: of my bedroom, everyone in the living room had a

644
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: look of shock on their face. Everyone that was in

645
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: that room said they had just seen me walk out

646
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: of my bedroom and go into the bathroom. Once the

647
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: bathroom door closed, this is when the actual me came

648
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: out of my bedroom. Of course, we checked the bathroom

649
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: and it was empty. There were a total of six

650
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: people that were in that living room that all saw

651
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. Since then, I have seen tons of

652
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: stuff online where other people are telling stories similar to mine.

653
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's up with this phenomenon, but it

654
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: seems I am not alone with this kind of experience,

655
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: and Mandy goes on to say, you know, to this day,

656
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: I can't make sense of everything that happened there. So

657
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? Have you heard the ideas

658
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: of doubles or a glitch in the matrix as it's

659
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: popularly called. Dude, I I actually have. I just had

660
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: a conversation about doppelgangers not long ago at all, and

661
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: a personal experience of somebody that I met on clubhouse

662
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: and she said, I won't I won't, I won't recount

663
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: her story here, but she had some very similar experiences

664
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: in her home where she like people saw her doing

665
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: something and then she was on the other side of

666
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: the house and then emerged from the other side of

667
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: the house. Uh, give me goose bumps. I met somebody

668
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: at a wedding this weekend who's from South Korea and

669
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: was just taken by me in an interesting way where

670
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: she was looking at me from across the room and

671
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: we finally spoke and I was like, what's going on?

672
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: Do you recognize me or somebody? She goes, you just

673
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: look exactly like this person I know in Korea, like

674
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: down to the shape of your eyes and your nose.

675
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: I was like, cool, I guess I have a Korean doppelganger.

676
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: I like that idea and I'm into it. Yeah too.

677
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: And it's it's true that there are there are people

678
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: who look incredibly similar. As a matter of fact, some

679
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: people listening today have probably seeing this happened to me.

680
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: You see a photo and you think, oh, is that me?

681
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: When was I? When was I there? My case may

682
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: be a little bit different, but I think it's something

683
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: a lot of folks have experience. Also, what sticks to

684
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: me about this story, guys, is again, six people all

685
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: claimed they saw the same thing happened. It sounds like

686
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: it happened quickly enough that they didn't get together and

687
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: prank her. But if they did prank you, Mandy, those

688
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: are great friends just based on that prank. That is

689
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: amazing and you should stick with them because they're hilarious.

690
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: But but how do you how do you explain what

691
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: appears to be a glitch in the matrix? We know

692
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: memory is treacherous. Memory is sort of the the Judas

693
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: of cognitive processes. But they all were claiming the same

694
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: thing at the same time, and they haven't changed their stories,

695
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: and the story hasn't been embellished. It's fascinating because they

696
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: would have been if if somehow, maybe you yourself had

697
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: just like us, accidental slip you forgot that you had

698
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: walked into somewhere earlier. That happens a lot with people.

699
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: If you had thought that, then they would have corrected you.

700
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: But instead we see the opposite, where they feel like

701
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: they are correcting you on a different, wilder version of reality.

702
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's not impossible for people to have folks

703
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: who look very much like them, but according to what

704
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: we know about the world around us, which is not

705
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: very much, obviously, it is impossible for those people to

706
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: disappear unless they are like a supernatural doppel ganger where

707
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: they're traveling through time, they're going to be physical entities.

708
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear more stories about people's doppel gangers.

709
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: It's fascinating and stuff. And you know, be because we've

710
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: done this show for so long, I've been accused of

711
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: being people's double angers all the time. And that's something weird.

712
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: Like if who's the main character at that point in

713
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: your life? Is it you or you like the are

714
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: you like the B version? Are you the other color palette?

715
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, like in a fighting game like Street Fighter,

716
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Teken or whatever, where you can change the color palette

717
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: of a character totally. I always hate when there's only

718
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: like two, very very basic options. I really like to

719
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, customize like individually, like in the RPGs. Do

720
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: you guys have any favorite doppelganger based movies or anything

721
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: in pop culture that you're a fan of. I'm a

722
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: big fan of the Denny villa Eneuve film, Um, what's

723
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: it called Enemy Enemy with Jay Gillenhall. Really really cool, creepy,

724
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: lynchy doupeleganger movie. But there's definitely a bunch Oh yeah,

725
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: it is because it goes to a fundamental question of

726
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: one's self identity, does it not. I I would like

727
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: to hear more about this. More doppel gangers stories bonus

728
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: points if you can't explain them, you know, because this

729
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: gets into some cool territory. Maybe we can do a

730
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: full episode on doppel gangers in the future, all the

731
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: science behind it and all this spooky stuff too. Surely

732
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: there's a Twilight Zone episode involving a doppelganger that I'm yeah,

733
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm almost I love this Twilight Man Rod Sterling, if

734
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: a ghost comes back, if there's a ghost listening to

735
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: this show, and you know how to get in contact

736
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: with Rod Sterling and tell me I'd love to I'd

737
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: love to chat with him. Yeah, just conjure him right

738
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: on up, we'll hang for sure. Um, my favorite movie

739
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: about doppelgangers is Us. Remember this movie? It came out

740
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: that long ago. God, Yes, of course, Um yeah, Jordan Peel. Yes.

741
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: And second of all, if you were that person that

742
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: I was referencing earlier, send us your doppelganger story so

743
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: we can compare it to what we just talked about.

744
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. If that's the person from Clubhouse, right, yes,

745
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: the uble ganger. Yeah, we're around Clubhouse in in and

746
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: out of conversations, so don't be surprised if you run

747
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: into a familiar face or voice. One last thing before

748
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: we wrap up this the Halloween part of this show.

749
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: Joey sent us a really cool screenshot. I'm not sure

750
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: if this is true, but I wanted to share it

751
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: with everyone because I think it's a funny story. So

752
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: this takes place in San Antonio and Joey. Joey was

753
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: writing a little bit about how San Antonio is known

754
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: for being haunted. As a matter of fact, when our

755
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: producer Paul and I went to San Antonio to make

756
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: fake commercials for Potato Chips, which is a true story.

757
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: Paul stayed in the most haunted hotel, not just in

758
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: the town, but I think it's like top three in

759
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the US. And though I will not tell the story

760
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: without his permission, I believe Paul had some strange happenings

761
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: he was staying there. But anyway, Joe sens this. Here's

762
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: the headline. The Devil impressed San Antonio women with his dancing.

763
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: Back in the seventies, Back in Halloween, many locals said

764
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: a handsome man dressed all in white showed up to

765
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: l Camononcito nightclub. Legend says the man was an excellent

766
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: dancer and wooed plenty of women that night. As the

767
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: night wore on, one of the women looked down at

768
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: the man's feet and discovered his shoes and transformed into

769
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Claude chicken's feet. Others it was goats hooves. Either way,

770
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: people said it was the Devil. Attendee say he fled

771
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: the scene to the bathroom, where he escaped through the

772
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: window and left a cloud of smoke as well as

773
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: a sulfuric smell. That wasn't I liked that he went

774
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: out the window, he stuck off to the bathroom. Anybody

775
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: had to leave because he bombed that place into a blivion.

776
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: He might have just he might have just committed a

777
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm against decency in the restroom. Yeah, thank Yeah, those

778
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: stories happen too, I mean throughout throughout history, but it's

779
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: weird to hear one as recently as the nineteen seventies,

780
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: isn't it. Oh yeah, this feels like crossroads kind of thing.

781
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: But in this case it's hell Cameron Cito. And that

782
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: made me think, what's the weirdest encounter you've had with

783
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: a stranger. It doesn't have to be something that felt

784
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: overtly supernatural to you. It could just be something really weird,

785
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: Like one time I was in Um. I was traveling

786
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: in the Gulf Coast area and I had to get gas.

787
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I came upon this gas station and I walked inside.

788
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: All the lights were off, and that Dwight Yoakum song

789
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: A Thousand Miles from Nowhere was playing, and it was

790
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: like towards the end of the song and then it

791
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: just started again. So I was playing on repeat and

792
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: this guy came out just like an overalls without a shirt,

793
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: and he was eating chicken and he said, are you him?

794
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: And I said, uh, just trying to get some gas.

795
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: And then he said, all right, he's coming though, right,

796
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't. I don't know. I mean,

797
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: it'd be a better story if I got more involved,

798
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: but I just like bought gas and he said, do

799
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: you want some chicken? I make it fresh and it's

800
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: just the gas please, And then I to get adult.

801
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I was not this wasn't a David Lynch movie. It

802
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: felt like it its weirder, weirder. I got him. This

803
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: is the girl. I mean, oh my good disgracious, that's incredible. Ben,

804
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: he is right, it's it's true. I should have done more,

805
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: but I I honestly was. I don't get shook too often,

806
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: but that was that's weird, right, Yeah, okay, that's not

807
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: just meat, all right. I love I just love I

808
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: want to see that though, in a scene where guys

809
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: just eating chicken and his over his shirtless overall us

810
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and just looks up, oh you him. Yeah, I love that.

811
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I want to see that. And uh, you know, it

812
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: wasn't threatening to but the stories like that is what

813
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: we're saying. And I know Noel Matt without putting you

814
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: guys on the spot that you have, you have also

815
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: had some bizarre encounters with strangers. They're the spice of life.

816
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: So we want to hear your stories. Thank you Nick,

817
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: thank you Becky, thank you Kate, thank you Joe, thank

818
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: you Mancy, and thanks to everybody else who wrote in

819
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: contacted us somehow, and thanks for learning to share your

820
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: stories with your fellow conspiracy realists. If you want to

821
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: take a page from their book, from their necronomic con

822
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: since we're going toward Halloween, yeah, then please do reach

823
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: out to us. We try to be easy to find online.

824
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: That's right. You can find us on the Internet and

825
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: the usual social media locations of note, Facebook, Twitter, Andy, YouTube,

826
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: where we are conspiracy stuff? Were conspiracy stuff show on Instagram? Yes?

827
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: And Instagram and Facebook are working again, so as What's app.

828
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Congratulations to everyone came back from the dead. Yes, yes,

829
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: came back from the dead. They've been resurrected. Oh I

830
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna die, you know without it. It

831
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: brought me right back to life. I mean I was

832
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: like literally checking the app knowing that it wasn't working.

833
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: But just by roads. It made me feel like a

834
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: total junkie. There you go. You know what you are,

835
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:30,840
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836
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: please give us a phone call, use your mouth, talk

837
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,080
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00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,480
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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.