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Another keyword comes your way at 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes, A chance of a thousand dollars. Standby 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: for what that is. It's gonna be oh, another few 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: weeks before we find out whether or not we can 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: get the recall of the LA County District Attorney George 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: Gasking on the ballot. The LA County Registrar is still 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: going to try to verify all of the signatures and 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: see whether or not we hit the number necessary to 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: put this on the ballot. In the meantime, barely a 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: day or a week goes by that there isn't another 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Gascone story. This time it's the efforts to remove the 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: death penalty from a man who shot two nineteen year 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: old college students in the back of the head and 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: stole their car in nineteen ninety four. Yeah, this guy, 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: his name is ryman Oscar Butler. He got death, no 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: parole if he's forty seven. He was eighteen at the time, 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: and that I'll tell you where the sympathies of Gascone 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: lie Gascones argument is he had a bad childhood, he 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: endured violence and trauma, so we gotta we gotta give 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: him a break here, not judge him too harshly, even 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: though he murdered these two young people. Let's say, well, 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: before we do that, in nineteen ninety five, he stabbed 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: another inmate to death, so he's it comes from the 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: same trauma. And it says here that they're only trying 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: to remove the death sentence for the attack on the 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: two students. It does not seek to lift the capitol 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: sentence for the nineteen ninety five inmate attack, which is 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: kind of weird. But because he's a little older, but 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, let's bring on John Lewin, Ela 39 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: County Deputy DA for more on this story. John, welcome again. Yes, 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm here, how are you? Well? You know, it's it's 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: yet again. It's Tuesday or Wednesday or whatever day it is. 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: It's just another crazy, disgusting incident involving George Gascone and 43 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: what he is doing. It just boggles the mind this one. 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Let me just tell you what's going on. First of all, 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: obviously these are my own personal opinions. We've got to 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: get that out of the way. So, Raymond Oscar Butler 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: is a guy who is subject and not one death 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: penalty case, but two of them. In March in nineteen 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: ninety four. He was a Rancho San Pedro gangster. He's 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: basically of both Mexican and African American heritage, but he 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: was associated with a Mexican gang that's going to become important. 52 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: So these two exchange students from Japan are just going 53 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: to Ralph's when the defendant, apparently showing off in front 54 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of some friends, etc. Comes up to them. They're in 55 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: a car. He has one of them get out of 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the car. He demands money. They don't resist. They give 57 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: him the money. He then executes that individual, shoots him 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: in the head while he's on the ground, and then 59 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: executes the guy in the car as well and then 60 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: takes their vehicle. No resistance, nothing going on, just callous, 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: monstrous conduct. So now he's in custody awaiting trial. It's 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: a year later and he is in a unit, a 63 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: high security unit where there is a young African American 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: guy who and this is according to the opinion from 65 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: the cal Supreme Court, apparently this individual, Tyrone Fleming, was 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: disrespectful and abusive to inmates and deputies in the jail. 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: So the defendant and Hispanic gang member associates decided they 68 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: were going to kill him. So they did a very 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: coordinated attack where they were able to get themselves released 70 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: from handcuffs, and they basically shank this guy to death. 71 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: It's absolutely horrific. The defendant ends up going to trial 72 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: on this case as well. It's very clear in addition 73 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: to this, there's three other occasions where he's got razor 74 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: blades in his cell. He would testify at his trial 75 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: that those razor blades were for general use, not for weapons. 76 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: It's very clear by the way that he is doing 77 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 1: this because he is attempting to increase his reputation with 78 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Mexican mafia, with MA and it's now my understanding that 79 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: all these years later, he is now basically Mexican mafia 80 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: in prison, So they're talking about how he's not the 81 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: same guy, he's changed, etc. I also love the fact 82 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that they say in their motion, there was a motion 83 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: filed by my office. Now that's another story because the 84 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: person filing the motion is Shaleen Joseph. She until a 85 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: very short time ago, was a public defender. So now 86 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: she has taken over my understanding, all of the death 87 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: penalty cases. In our office. We had a guy named 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Brian Kellberg, a legend in our office who was there 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: for forty years, who was doing all of these habeas petitions. 90 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: When these individuals get death, the litigation just continues to 91 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: go on and on. So they transferred Brian out, basically 92 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: pushed him into retirement, and then gave all the death 93 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: penalty cases. Is Shaleen Joseph, and now she is the 94 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: guarding of the death cases and she's going around as 95 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: in this case, trying to undo what juries and judges 96 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: have done sentencing these individuals to death. So one of 97 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the things that she said in her motion was that 98 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: in essence that mister Butler, he's a changed man and 99 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: he never disputed. He accepted responsibility, Well not quite because 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: his story when he testified, and this is from the opinion, 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: if they read the Supreme Court opinion on the case, 102 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: this is what he said. He said that as he 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: was getting into the car, the gun went off by accident. 104 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: Then he noticed that Matsua Matsu I'm sorry, Matsiura, the 105 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: other individual in the car. He noticed in there, and 106 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: he panic and began shooting. So this individual who is 107 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: now a extreme danger to the public, who has weapons 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: in prison, who's murdered another person in prison, he now 109 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: needs to be let out because he allegedly suffers from 110 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: significant cognitive impairment. He was subjected to multiple traumas during childhood. 111 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: He has a history of mental illness, and it gets 112 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: worse from there. Because what's going on is this is 113 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: a well planned out process by George Gascone, the California 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: State Legislature, Governor Newsom, and Mike Romano. Michael Romano is 115 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: a professor at Stanford Now, mister Romano, Professor Romano has 116 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: a very storied history because what he is involved with 117 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: and he's been involved with this for many years, is 118 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: he's a guy who one represents he's a director of 119 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: the Three Strikes of Justice Abbacy Project at Stanford Law School, 120 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: and he's a founding director of their Criminal Defense Clinic. 121 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: So basically what he does is, prior to Gascon being 122 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: in becoming DA, he was representing defendants who are making 123 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: motions to be resentenced. So he's a part of he's 124 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: a defense attorney representing defendants. He becomes an advisor Gascon, 125 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: and from what I've been told, he is the person 126 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: who is largely responsible for writing, supervising many of the 127 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: directives which Gascon has introduced. So in essence, you've got 128 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: an individual who is a criminal defense attorney who's writing 129 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: policies that have direct impact on his own clients. Now, 130 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: this guy is also a person who was very active 131 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: in the prison realignment in Prop thirty six, which was 132 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: three Strikes reform Prop forty seven, Remember, guys, that was 133 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools initiative, which which I don't 134 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: know about schools in safety and neighborhoods, but it basically 135 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: made all drug possession misdemeanors and by an essence, legalized 136 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: drugs and made theft up to nine hundred and fifty 137 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: dollars a misdemeanor basically legalized him theft. He also was 138 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: responsible for the Prop. Fifty seven Public Safety Rehabilitation Act 139 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: that is again allowing all these juveniles to be resentenced. 140 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: And those are the guys that are getting out free. 141 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: We've had all those situations we got we got to 142 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: stop what's going on right now? We gotta stop you 143 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: just for a moment because we got to take a 144 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: news break. Can you stay another segment? I can app 145 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: I'll stay as long as you want me. Okay. And 146 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: what's the name at Stanford professor who's got his fingerprints 147 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: on all the bad criminal justice laws in the last 148 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: ten years. What's his name again? Professor Michael Romano. Michael. 149 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: He's also advising the California legislature. He's the guy working 150 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: with them to rewrite the penal code. So you have 151 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: the fox not only guarding the Henhouse, but he built 152 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: it and lives there. Hang on, we have John Lewin 153 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: from the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office. He works 154 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: for guests gone. And we got another case here, a 155 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: guy named Raymond Butler who killed two Japanese students at 156 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Merrimont College back in nineteen ninety six, later killed it 157 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: an inmate, got the death penalty, and now Gascon's crowd 158 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: is trying to unwind that death penalty. Johnny Ken show cafed. 159 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: We're talking with John Lewin, Assistant district attorney here in 160 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: La County, works in under gascone. And there's another case. 161 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Raymond Butler. He's forty seven years old. He was convicted 162 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: of murdering two college students back in nineteen ninety four, 163 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Takuma Itto and gold Matsura. They were film students at 164 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: Marrimont College. Later on, he also was part of a 165 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: killing of an inmate. I wanted to mention about the 166 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: college student killing. I looked up an La Times news 167 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: story from when he was sentenced to death in nineteen 168 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: ninety six, and I don't know if you remember this story, 169 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: but apparently at the time it was quite a sensation 170 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: in Japan. Newspaper editorial denounced this is typical of life 171 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: in southern California. After the killing, President Clinton expressed condolences 172 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: to the then Japanese Prime Minister. Mayor Richard Garden held 173 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: a news confidence with the Japanese Consul general to reassure 174 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: tours from Japan they could travel safely in Los Angeles. 175 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: So this really rocked Los Angeles and Japan at the time, 176 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: these killings. And of course now it's what is it 177 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: twenty six years later and Gascon wants to undo the 178 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: death sentence, which you believe John Lewin could lead to 179 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: this man's release. Oh, so this is a coordinated plan. 180 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: What they're trying to do is and it starts with legislation. 181 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: There was new legislation past that in essence allows the 182 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: DA's office to go in and to petition the court 183 00:11:53,679 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: to change an individual's conviction and sentence. But it's not 184 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: just changing the sentence. They can now go in and actually, 185 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: with an agreement from the defense, have the defendant convicted 186 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: of a completely different crime. So they can't change the 187 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: death penalty and they can't change life without the possibility parole. 188 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: But what they are trying to do now they even 189 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: moved the Penal Code section that deals with this, They 190 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: moved it into the resentencing area, so they can, in essence, 191 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: try to resentence their way out. So what does that 192 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: mean in plain English? They want to go back and 193 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: all these death penalty in life without possibility prole cases, 194 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: and they want to get those cases changed to straight 195 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: life sentences or get them in determinant sentences and then 196 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: get these guys eligible for juvenile parole, elder parole, etc. 197 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: One thing that's really important, my office filed Joseph the 198 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: former public defender who is now running this unit in 199 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: our office. She's the one who's handling all these cases. 200 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: She filed something like a two hundred and seventy page motion, 201 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: and one of the things she says in the motion 202 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: is that quote significantly. From the time of his arrest, 203 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: the defendant has taken full responsibility for killing Edo in Matsuura. 204 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: After he was arrested, the defendant waved his right to 205 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: remain silence silent and provided a signed confession taking full 206 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: responsibility for shooting and killing mister Edo and mister Matsura 207 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: and stealing their car. Most important part here. Since making 208 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: that statement on March thirtieth, nineteen ninety four, the defendant 209 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: has not waved for regarding his responsibility for the victim's death. Now, 210 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: I just read to you from the opinion, which she 211 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: had to have read. He testified at penalty phase saying 212 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: that his gun went off accidentally. That's taking responsibility by 213 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: the way, there's a notice in there they tried to 214 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: get a hold of. They sent a few emails to 215 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: the families in Japan, and mister Matsura's father quote, thank 216 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: you for your message. I think California judicial system is 217 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: the habeats itself. It contains no right for victim and 218 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: only right for convicted. Thank you for your work to 219 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 1: communicate us. So they're basically going out. They are disingenuous 220 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: in their motion. Here's another thing that's that's entertaining in 221 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: the motion. She writes over twenty five years ago, on 222 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: March twenty six, nineteen ninety five. This is regarding the 223 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: brutal murder of this African American kid in County jail. 224 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: While in County Jail awaiting trial in the instant case, Butler, 225 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: along with two other inmates, participated in a fight which 226 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: resulted in the stabbing and death of Tyrone Fleming. There 227 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: was no fight. This was a coordinated killing by the 228 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Mexican mafia of an African American guy that they did 229 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,479 Speaker 1: not like. So we've got the DA's office filing motions 230 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: where they don't even relate the information. By the way, 231 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: you know what's absent from the motion they filed anything 232 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: about what this guy has done in prison. The information 233 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: I have is that he is basically Mexican mafia. So 234 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: what is his situation? What do we found out from 235 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: his c file at CDC? What has he done? How 236 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: many violations has he had? Nothing mentioned? You know why, 237 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: because probably it's not going to be favorable to him. 238 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: And we have the same issue that we have with 239 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: our life or hearings, is that prosecutors who are interested 240 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: in seeing justice done, we don't even have access to 241 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: this material. This material is basically being kept under the 242 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: custody of Guyana Turan, who runs these units, also a 243 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: former public defender. This is somebody who, by the way, 244 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: according to a motion that was filed and pra A request, 245 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: this person was functioning as a district attorney while still 246 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: being paid by the Public Defender's office in the litigation 247 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: that was involved. Apparently the DA's office was not even 248 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: writing her performance evaluation. So since she was still employed 249 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: by the Public Defender's office, does that mean that she 250 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: was being evaluated by the PD's office while she was 251 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: a DA. I guess we'll never know. A DA can 252 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: write a dishonest, incomplete evaluation to a judge and he's 253 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: supposed to accept it and face value. Is that really 254 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: what we've got here? Well, I just want to tell 255 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: you I've shown you. I've discussed this motion that was 256 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: filed by Shalon Joseph. I don't know her, don't know 257 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: anything about other than she was a former public defender. 258 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: But what I can tell you is I just told 259 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: you two things in that motion that all you have 260 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: to do is read the opinions from the cal Supreme 261 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: Court and you will see that that information is not accurate. 262 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: So no, mister Butler has not been consistent in taking responsibility. 263 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: And no, this was not some fight he was involved with. 264 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: This was an orchestrated gang killing. And this guy is 265 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: a danger. Let me out tell you one other thing 266 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: that's really sad. The prosecutor who handled this case, Janet Moore, 267 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: who prosecuted the case, she just died two weeks ago, 268 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: so she's not even in a position. I knew her 269 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: very well. I am very confident that they never reached 270 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: out to her. So you know, I'm sure she's rolling 271 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: in her grave right now. I spoke to I know, 272 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: Mike Bertram, who was the Robie homicide detective who handled 273 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: this case. He is irate and upset about what happened 274 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: about the way this is being characterized. This is an 275 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: extremely dangerous, violent individual who is now a hardcore Mexican 276 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: mafia affiliate, and we're setting him up to its point 277 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: get out. They made some comment in the motion about hell, 278 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: well he'll still have a death penalty case that's out 279 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: there currently. Yeah, for how long will that last? John? 280 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: A Right, John, we have to go, but we once 281 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: again appreciate talking to you all your passion. Thanks for 282 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: coming up horrific stuff than John Lewan, Deputy DA. Another 283 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: case of Gascone is trying to remove the death penalty 284 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: from a man who killed two Japanese college students and 285 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: reduce it to life with that parole. But we know 286 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: what that means. More coming up. I think it's worth 287 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: a few minutes talking about something that came up. We 288 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: were just talking to John Lewen, La County Deputy DA, 289 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: who represents himself when he comes on the show to 290 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: talk about his boss, the La County DA, George Gascone. 291 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: The subject was a double murderer, actually a triple murderer 292 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: who Gascon's public defenders. They're now acting as deputy das 293 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: are trying to get the death penalty removed from this 294 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: man's sentence for killing two Japanese college students in a 295 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: horrific cardjacking in nineteen ninety four because he was eighteen 296 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: at the time, and there was also some claim about 297 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: Jeremy's conduct, which is nonsense. But anyway, it's the first 298 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: step to release him. That's what it is. Yes, yeah, 299 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: it's part of that to work at this. They want 300 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: to get rid of all death and effect. We're on 301 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: the George Gascone email. It comes to the John and 302 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: Ken show, and he sent one out yesterday asking for 303 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: money to get rid of the death penalty. That's what 304 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: he's trying to do. Since he can't do it because 305 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: the voters keep approving it, he's trying to find ways 306 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: to dismantle it through his techniques. And what John Lewin 307 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: from the La County DA's office explained to us is 308 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: this is the first step and a multi pronged attack. 309 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: You have the legislature in on a newsome Gascone, and 310 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: what they want to do is do a backdoor resentencing 311 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: of these death penalty cases and eventually get them sentenced 312 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: in a way that they are eligible parole for parole, 313 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: for example, for elderly parole, and they define elderly as 314 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: being sixty. Well, this guy, Raymond Butler's forty seven, so 315 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: this is the first step to get him out of 316 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: prison thirteen years from now. Right, life of that parole 317 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really mean life with that parsol, it doesn't. They 318 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: totally get the death sentence. You can't get parole unless 319 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: the governor commutes your sentence or something like that. But 320 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: if you get life of that parole, there are shots 321 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: at parole. And that's what they're trying to do. Now. 322 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: We've talked before about the people that financed this kind 323 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: of criminal justice reform. Those, of course, are the George 324 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Soros types. There are wealthy tech people, the Netflix wife 325 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: I guess she's been involved in financing CHESSA and George Gascone, 326 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: and then of course we have the operatives Gascone and 327 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: people like Chase of Bodin. We don't talk often enough 328 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: about another component to this, and the name came up 329 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: from John Lewin, so I did a little looking. His 330 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: name is Michael Romano. He actually graduated from Stanford Law School. 331 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: He clerked on the US Court of appeals for the 332 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: dreaded Ninth Circuit. Now he's a lecture at Stanford, but 333 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: what he's really done. He's the director and founder of 334 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: the Three Strikes and Justice Advocacy projects at Stanford Law School. 335 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: And the reason we're bringing him up is that John 336 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: mentioned he is a key operator behind all of these moves. 337 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: And there's another story that came out last year. California 338 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: Governor Knew some signs into Law six, criminal law reforms 339 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: developed by the Three Strikes Project, which Michael Romano is 340 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: the head. So this is like the architect of this 341 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: horrific criminal justice decay that we're seeing. He's the secret 342 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: evil guy. It seems like he's the brains behind the operation. 343 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: Here's the new laws. Shortened sentences for over ten thousand 344 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: people currently incarcerated. Senate Bill forty three. Reduced the use 345 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: of Unnecessary sentence enhancement SAHA. Senate Bill eighty one. And 346 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: we know what those are, don't We Like use of 347 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: a gun, gang membership, end mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes. 348 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: Senate Bill seventy three. This one, like this one reduce 349 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: racial bias and gang prosecutions. Believe magic There AB three 350 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: three three expand use of second chance sentencing AB. Fifteen forty, 351 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: and allow people committed to state hospitals with severe mental 352 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: illness to reduce their commitments for participation entry. All right, 353 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: and now all of this tells me this is the architect. 354 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: This is somebody we have to keep an eye on. Yeah, 355 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: he seems to have a lot of control and power. 356 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: He's done a lot of damage. In fact, if he's 357 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: he's proud of it. If you look at his biography 358 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: on the Stanford website, he has co authored statewide ballot measures, 359 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: led impact litigation, and legislative campaigns that have together reduced 360 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: sentences for over fifteen thousand convicts of non violent crimes 361 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: and seventh thousand people sentenced to life for minor offenses. 362 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: Of course, what he considers a minor offense is not 363 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: what you would He represents incarcerated individuals winning the reversal 364 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: of over one hundred and fifty life sentences. He and 365 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: his students one hundred and fifty life sentences reversed because 366 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: this this woke infection has reached judges now too. In 367 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: addition to the legislators, the governor, guests gone, and this 368 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: Michael Romano, there's lots of professors at lots of colleges, 369 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: not even professors a lecturer that proposes stuff and they 370 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: do papers. But it looks like this guy actually gets 371 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: his ideas implemented. Well, he does the hard work, you know, 372 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: because Newsom is not the brightest bulb in the world. 373 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: Which you need a guy who has a very intense 374 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: passion and a nuanced, highly refined understanding of how the 375 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: law works and identify the weak spots and be clever 376 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: in crafting these propositions. And look at Prop forty seven, right, Yes, everybody, 377 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: it really was John Lewin wasn't kidding. It was the 378 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act and instead basically decriminalized drug 379 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: use and decriminalized shoplifting and theft up to nine hundred 380 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. That's what it was. But this is 381 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: what it was sold as. And what I'm telling what 382 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: they do is is they do focus groups in polling 383 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: to see what would make people vote for something, what 384 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: language presses the happy button inside people, and they come 385 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: up with test marketing phrases. Well, I'm sure safe neighborhoods 386 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: and Schools that tested off the charts, right, And if 387 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: I remember correctly. They claimed that they were going to 388 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: save so much in judicial costs by not prosecuting all 389 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: these people that they could funnel that money into some 390 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: kind of school and neighborhood safety program, and that justified 391 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: the title. And you have, you know, wherever the woke 392 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: attorney general was at the time. I don't know if 393 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: who's Kamala Harris. They give you that title, and the 394 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: public is completely bamboo sol because most of the public 395 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: doesn't pay attention to anything. So it looks like this 396 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: guy was behind Prop forty seven. One of the architects 397 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: Prop fifty seven. I mean, we're always here about gas 398 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: going was but I think Romano probably gave him the ideas. 399 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: His whole three strikes project is about dismantling California's free 400 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: strikes laws. So we'll keep an eye on him. We 401 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: got more coming out, John and kenn All right, well, 402 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: the petroleum people strike back here in California. Will we 403 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: talk about five oh five. They're taking ads out in 404 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: states warning them you don't want to turn into California 405 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to energy policy and climate policy, because 406 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: of course we have very expensive gas, expensive electricity. We'll 407 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: talk about that with a representative from the petroleum industry 408 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: coming up after the news at five o'clock, and there'll 409 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: be one more chance today for you to win that 410 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars with the keyword coming up around five twenty. 411 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: The announcement came out today that the United States is 412 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: ready to make a trade, just like it was the 413 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: sports world when it does involve somebody in the sports world, 414 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the w NBA star Britney Griner, who was of course 415 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: being held in Russia on drug possession charges and faces 416 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: ten years in prison. Actually her trial is going on 417 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: right now, could be traded back to the United States 418 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: along with a man by the name of Paul Whalen 419 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: who has quite a background and we'll talk about in 420 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: a moment. In exchange, it will be the Russian arms dealer, 421 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Victor Boot, who will return to Russia if Russia accepts 422 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: the trade. The Secretary of State is expected to talk 423 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: to his counterpart, the Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov soon to 424 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: try to arrange this prisoner exchange, which is a two 425 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: for one. We get two back, they only get one back. 426 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: Whalen is a citizen of several countries United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, 427 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: and the US, and his background is they thought he 428 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: was a spy in Russia. I thought he was an 429 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: American spy. Yes, he's described as a corporate security director. 430 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: But he was arrested back in twenty eighteen and he 431 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: got a sixteen year prison sentence in twenty twenty, with 432 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: the possibility of time at a labor camp. He has 433 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: been making his case that these are trumped up, fake charges, 434 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: and his family's been saying, you know, you've made other 435 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: prisoner exchanges, why can't you get me home too. Well, 436 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: he's now included in this proposal. We have no idea 437 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: what the Russians will do. In fact, B Lincoln hasn't 438 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: talked to anybody over there since before the invasion of Ukraine. 439 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of people were pretty sure that this 440 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: deal was in the works for weeks. They've been talking 441 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: about the Russian arms dealer that might be worth something 442 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: if we wanted to trade him, And what kind of 443 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: arms does he deal to who? And how much damage 444 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: has been caused, how many people have died from the arms. Well, 445 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: he's got the nickname the Merchant of Death. Oh really, yeah, 446 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: that's his nicknames. So that's that's worth releasing. So he 447 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: sells arms that killed people. Yeah, yeah, so I gonna 448 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: be surprised that they go to company country's like Syrian places, 449 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, where you have the despots in charge. Jesus, 450 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: that's a good idea. Let out a guy whose nickname 451 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: is the merchant of death. Uh yeah, I have no 452 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: idea what Whalen was doing in Russia. I mean, he 453 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: does corporate security. I read his story about him, and 454 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: it just seems like he's got murky business going on. 455 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: I can't I'm not shocked that he was held on 456 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: these charges. Maybe their false or trumped up. But when 457 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: you read about you know his life path, right, you know, 458 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: you start going in. So he was a police officer, 459 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: a sheriff's deputy, those were his roles, his jobs years ago, 460 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: back in the eighties and early two thousands, and then 461 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: he was a manager for an IT company. He enlisted 462 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: in the Marine Reserves. But yeah, I don't know what. Well, 463 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: there are there are spies embedded in American companies overseas, 464 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: and that's their cover. And sometimes they have fake names 465 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, they have really fancy titles, they 466 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: have high level positions and they actually do that work. 467 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: But then there's a second side. All right, well, I 468 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: found out something. He's Supposedly, according to his twin brother David, 469 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: he went to Moscow to attend the wedding of a 470 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: former fellow marine at a hotel and to assist the 471 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: groom's family members on their visits, their first visit ever 472 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: to Russia, a country where Whalen had been many times. 473 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: He said that he had his brother planned to return 474 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: to Michigan and got attained instead. So that's the story, 475 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: that's why he was in in Russia. Well, we'll never know. 476 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the Russians pick people 477 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: off the street because we do have real spies. So 478 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: if you're going to take Americans and put them away, 479 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: you're not going to take the innocent Americans off the street. 480 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna take the guys you think are doing real work. 481 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: And again, I don't know what this guy is doing. 482 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't. I just don't. I don't 483 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: buy all the stories anybody tells. All right, let me 484 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: come back. You've probably heard that Gavin Newsom took out 485 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: some small political ads in the state of Florida to 486 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: try to make his case why California is so wonderful 487 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: and Florida is so oppressive anyway. Coming up next, we're 488 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: going to talk about the Western States Petroleum Association. They're 489 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: trying to tell the people of Florida. Gavin Newsom, California 490 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: not the place you want to live when it comes 491 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: to energy, the high price of gas, the high price 492 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: of electricity, and everything else. 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