1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four is now on YouTube. To watch this 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: episode and others, just visit Ruthy's Table four dot com 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: forward Slash YouTube. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in collaboration with me 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: and m Intelligence Style for Busy Women. Today's December eighteenth, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: and you can feel the festive quality the River Cafe, 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: the Christmas trees on the lawn, and the room looks great. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: We have lights, we have people coming in to spend 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: more time at lunch, and there is a feeling of 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: the celebration. So we're going to talk about what we're 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: actually cooking in the River Cafe right now. And so 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: here we are with Sean Owen and Joseph Tavelli, the 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: executive chefs, and we're all going to talk. So tell 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: me about what we're cooking today, Sean. We both have 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: your chef's sites on Joseph in preparation for tonight. Sean, 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: running away from the. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: The middle of lunch. 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: Don't worry idea what they're celebrating in there, because we're 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: in here. So what did you I was on the menu? 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: What are you thinking about when you're thinking about your menu? 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, this week I think is pulling out all the 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: stops for decadent dining. I think people feel that they 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 4: can eat in a way this last week coming up 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: to Christmas, than the way that they're not going to 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: be eating in January. So I'd like to just put 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 4: on some things I just think sound quite flamboyant decadent. 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean, today at lunchtime, what is it Thursday? 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 4: I've put on the penne with the vodka and tomato 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 4: and Chilian cream. But I was trying to explain to 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: the chefs how to cook that. So it's not just 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: a tomato sauce with a vague hint of vodka, but 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: it has to be a tomato sauce with vodka cooked 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: into it. And then what we've also done is put 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 4: it through the movie. So it's very smooth. 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: Why did you take it through the recipe? 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: Just say it tastes step by stay. 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so with vodka cream and. 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so been using the penne. That is a smooth penney, 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 4: so it hasn't got the ridges on it, which I 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 4: think is really nice for that kind of dish. 41 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if you disagree with it. 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 4: And then fry some garlic, a couple of clothes of garlic, 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: drain the liquid off the tomatoes and chopped tomatoes, put 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: them in, and then I put like a good glug 45 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: like probably I mean for a whole restaurant of people, 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: I would use a whole bottle of vodka, but if. 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: You're making it for two, maybe not a whole bottle. 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 5: It good. 49 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 4: It's a good, good, generous shot of Vogora two depending 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: on how in our case, probably half a bottle of vodka. 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 4: Then cook it down with a flick of chili and 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 4: let that cook down so it's really well cooked down 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: for about twenty minutes, and then we put it through 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: the movie so it's really smooth. And another thing we 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: never do it, Yeah, I think so nice, there's no gesture. 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: And then put a splash of cream in to just 57 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: give it a bit of kind of extra lux feel. 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: And then when we're serving it, we're warming up the penne, 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: well we're heat cooking the penneating the penne, adding that 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: to the tomato sauce, and then putting what I would 61 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: think would be an extra shot of voka in it, 62 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: and a good big massive pinch of black pepper and 63 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: a bit of olive oil. So it's really like don't drink, 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: don't drive offter and many don't. 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: Give it to a king. I was going to say, 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: may the taste. 67 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: Everybody probably wanted to taste the tomato sauce like never before. 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I put it on for staff lunch and 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: I said, without the extra shot of AKA. But it's 70 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 4: really warming and it's got a bit of a kick. 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: It feels a bit like a bit of fun, which 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 4: is just nice on lunchtime. 73 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: I think beautiful. 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 5: It's funny how somethings just suit certain moments, isn't it. 75 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 5: It's obviously a Christmas thing, you know, Like in fact, 76 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 5: someone said to me, what keep asking me what's your 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 5: Christmas drink? And maybe I was thinking a bit morning after, 78 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 5: but anything, it was bloody Mary. You know, it's not 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: something I have very often, but for some reason it 80 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: sort of suits now. 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course you could have it on a 82 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: Monday in March. 83 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: But somehow that last week of the year where you 84 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: pulling out o the stops, I've put on the tagler 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: Reini with cavia, which is something that is just the 86 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: real last week of the year, something that's a bit like. 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: People, Yeah, how do you make that taller? 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 4: Reini, just some butter, like a few drops of lemon juice, 89 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 4: a little bit of black pepper, and then put that 90 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: on the plate in a nice tower and put a 91 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: spoonful of caviar on top. 92 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really nice here in these things. Because you know, 93 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: I'm not there by definition when you're telling people how 94 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 5: to do this, because I'm at home waiting for my shift. 95 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 5: But you've just described exactly what I said last night. 96 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 5: Almost won't work. Well. 97 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: The other night I came in, I was on the 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: other side. I was in the kitchen. I was a 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: table and there was belita on me still, which I 100 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: think was also partly inspired by the time of year, 101 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: but also inspired by the fad that we had some 102 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: much delicious mustarda that had been made. 103 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 5: It's also true, oh my gosh, we've never had such 104 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 5: good mustada from Jeneva, and a mustarda is supposed to 105 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: be from Cremona. But this Jeneva mustada is what did 106 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: you think was just the actual fruits that the way 107 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 5: they come from a special sweet factory. 108 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: Let's tell people what it is. 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 5: So it's a fruits with mustard essence, mustard essence which 110 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 5: you can't buy here. You know, it's the same essence 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 5: I think you'd used for mustard gas. So you can't 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 5: go to a pharmacy, and it's not I think even 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: in Italy it's not easy to get hold of. So 114 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 5: it's generally because quite often, you know, people would have 115 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 5: a jar of fruits and just add a few drops 116 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 5: from a pipet. But these days you just buy already done. 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: So you've got this lovely sweet fruit which is often candied, 118 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 5: although not always, but in our case very much is 119 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: this year so kind of candied fruits with just these 120 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 5: few little drops of mustard essence, and it has that 121 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: lovely you know, sweet hot kind of an equal kind 122 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: of an equal balance, really nice, and it's great with 123 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 5: loads of things, you know. It's you know, certain mustadas 124 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 5: are delicious with cheese, for example. But the thing we 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 5: do with it more often than not here is have 126 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 5: it with boiled meats. 127 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: You know. 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 5: This bullito misto with these kind of three sauces is 129 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 5: really fundamental. And in fact, when I'm asking a chef 130 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: like I did the other night, to make this billito, 131 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 5: probably for the first time, she'd ever like put it 132 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: on the plate, you know, the plate of the meats 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: with a few lentils and maybe a carrot or whatever 134 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 5: else is good, but it's nothing. I have to just 135 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 5: take them to the past and say, now look with 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 5: the sauces, because it's so much, you know, part of 137 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 5: the mustada. Then we have horse radish, which is obviously 138 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: equally spicy and still sweet as we put cream. 139 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: In, so. 140 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 5: Horse radish with great horse radish and then chop it 141 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 5: more finely still, and then we always mix it with 142 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: crem fresh because we have this most amazing crem fresh 143 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 5: from the nils Yard dairy they make for us. So 144 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: we mix the two together and then just a few 145 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 5: drops of vinegar and salt and pepper and that's it, 146 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 5: you know, and we probably make that more days than not. 147 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 5: You know. It's really loads of things. Yeah, you know, 148 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 5: so that's oneful. So it has that. It's kind of 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 5: like creamy, rich hot sauce. These mustard fruits, you know, 150 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 5: which can be figs or pears or the jars we have. 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: At the moment you open there is one, yeah, one 152 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: at the moment there's actually a strawberry in there. I've 153 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: been avoiding the strawberries, but anyway, there's a yeah, but 154 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: the factory that makes these. This roman ango is amazing. 155 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 5: They candy strawberries, you know, like that is just like 156 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 5: it's another thing. 157 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: Yesterday I was putting mustada on the blast, but there 158 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 4: was little tiny orange like. 159 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 5: It wasn't a apricot maybe or even nothing. There's all 160 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 5: sorts of it's. 161 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: A kind of tiny orange like maybe like a mandarin 162 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: or something. 163 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 5: And then there's a third sauce, which is we make 164 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 5: two versions of a similar source. One we call dragon 165 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 5: Cello because it's with tarragon. It's probably the only thing 166 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: we ever do with tarragon here or Bangyette, and they're 167 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 5: exactly the same. But the Bangyette sauce is probably more 168 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: traditional pier montee sauce, similar to like a sort of 169 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: Southern French sauce, I suppose, but with boiled eggs chopped 170 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: and tons of parsley and the yellow. 171 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: Do you just use the yellow? 172 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 173 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's some When I was in bowl and 174 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Aisy and in real they were only using yellow. But 175 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: Richard's mother used to make it all on a board, 176 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: never used a bowl, and so you would you know, 177 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: you'd have the egg, you'd have all the ingredients and 178 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: then you combine it, chop it all on the board 179 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: and then scoop it up. 180 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: Nice to make it with. 181 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, just shoppened it yesterday, just ready for you. 182 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: Just how it used to make that. We used the 183 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: medical or time. 184 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: I mean in the early early days we were all 185 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: on the matalon and then it became kind of uncor. 186 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 3: Knives. Let's bring back maybe we could do. 187 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 4: That for. 188 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 5: It's a great. 189 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: Workout. 190 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 191 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: At once, well there was a double bladed one which 192 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: was that very nice, and then the big really big 193 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: one like that. 194 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: It's really like upper body. 195 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, to the left way. So so what about 196 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: the let's talk more about the meats. 197 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 5: So then the meats. Yeah, you can have all sorts 198 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: of things. I mean, and there's loads. I mean, you know, 199 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 5: I think I like blito actually all year round is delicious. 200 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 5: And there's plenty of restaurants, you know, all over the 201 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 5: sort of central and northern ity that just specifies, you know, 202 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 5: like we have carveries, you know, just you know, boil 203 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 5: and roast things. But what's lovely about this time of 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: year is people are more likely to order it. I 205 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 5: mean that's the truth. You know, people fancy it, you know, 206 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 5: it's freezing, it's raining. Something warming with this burjawed fruits. 207 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: On that we had the other night that we. 208 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: Had tongue, which is very commonly we have tongue ox tongue. 209 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 5: We had beef. We had some beef brisket that we cooked, 210 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 5: and I came in early and put them on at eleven, 211 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 5: so they were boiled slowly the day until the evening. 212 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 5: And then coin. I think coachino is pretty much essential 213 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 5: for us for a blito mistake. 214 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 2: I just love. 215 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: I really like what we do. 216 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: Just a coin and lentils as a as a plate. 217 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: Nothing else we do. 218 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 5: We never get zamponi anymore. I'd love to. I haven't 219 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: tried it for years. Actually, I'd like to try it again. 220 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 5: Maybe it's too much. 221 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: It's like eating like. 222 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: I did belita yesterday language and I didn't put tongue 223 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: in it. I don't know why, because I wonder whether 224 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: that's one of those sort of ingredients that's slightly less approachable. 225 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: I don't know if it puts people off. 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 5: So I put. 227 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: I mean it's not it's perfectly delicious, but we didn't 228 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: have any left anyway, But I really put. I got 229 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: spatchcocked chicken and just cooked it with white wine and 230 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: a bit of water, but like not boiling it, but 231 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: kind of raising it or boiling it probably, And then 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: did the sort of chicken cocino and brisket and that 233 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: was just and then we sold a lot. 234 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: But I didn't think. 235 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 4: She did it with massive artichokes tolio on a plate 236 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: and lentils on the same plate. 237 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 5: Sorry. Wow, I just put on. 238 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: The sideplate and I put the lentils on the plate 239 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 4: because I thought why not? 240 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: Why not? 241 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: And then we were talking about, you know, but to 242 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: chicken and not to chicken, you know, sometimes. 243 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 5: Funny put the chicken out. We sold loads more. 244 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably more than put it. 245 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: Out when I put the chicken in the night had it. 246 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 5: We didn't sell as many. The next lunch, I didn't 247 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: bother with the chicken and just had the tongue and 248 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: the brisket and we sold loads of it. It's just 249 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 5: the weather and the day, you know. 250 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: And then we have the Christmas desserts. 251 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 4: One of the most easy desserts I think you can 252 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:20,239 Speaker 4: knock up at home for maximum impacts and low workload. 253 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: It's a pressed chocolate cake because it's really looks it 254 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: tastes amazing, but it's very easy to make. But it's 255 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: like and also it's basically a chocolate soufle, so you're 256 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: not set up for failure by not letting it rise fully. 257 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: If you're making it home, you press it so no 258 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: one knows how it really did rise. And it's just chocolate, sugar, 259 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: are butter and eggs, but the eggs separated and then 260 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: folded through the white. It's just really delicious. So it's 261 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 4: as light as a souffle, but slightly pressed so it's 262 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: a little denser. And we serve it here at the 263 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: River Cafe around Christmas with either the zabagli or ice 264 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 4: cream or the most shocking to anyone that makes vincentto 265 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: Vincanta ice cream, which is like sort of borderline sacrilege 266 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 4: but also amazing. 267 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: I don't know. I think if you're gonna cook with vincentto, 268 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 5: I think Vincanta ice cream is the thing that kind 269 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: of keeps its because it's not like reduced. You know. 270 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 5: I was actually thinking of making something to go to 271 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 5: Christmas pudding. It's like, you know, you don't cook the 272 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 5: wine down, you just add the eggs and it's just perfect. 273 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 5: No I don't think. I think it's well. 274 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: I always feel embarrassed when we go to Tuscany and 275 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: if they're like, there was somebody who really objected to it. 276 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: Do you remember one of our or it was somebody 277 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: who saw who how can you possibly make ice cream? 278 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: But you know it comes from with Vincentta, but it 279 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: comes also from again Dada Rogers, who when she came 280 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: here and wanted said Boni, but during the war you 281 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: couldn't get Marcella, and so she combined Bristol cream sherry 282 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: with rum. That's a recipe for the ice cream. And 283 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: I love that ice cream. I like it better than 284 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: I don't like a heart. 285 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that ice cream is really that ice cream. 286 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 4: I mean you don't have to have an ice cream 287 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: machine to make it, and so that is what you know. 288 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: You can make it at home. I could make it 289 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: in my house because I don't. I bet you have 290 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: an ice cream machine. 291 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 5: Well I do, but I really put it in the freezer. 292 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: And actually I love making ice creams like that at 293 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: home more. 294 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: I think because you make the does that you make 295 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: the egg yolks, the sugar, the vincanto alcohol, cook that 296 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: over a bammary volumeizes then you just make folding whipped 297 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: cream and then you can just put it in your 298 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 4: freezer done. 299 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: You don't have to. 300 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 5: It's a lot of whipping press chocolate ice cream and 301 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 5: the big balloon. 302 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: I think the hint about thee or the Vincena ice 303 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: cream is that when you are cooking it at the 304 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: on the top of the stove, and one of the 305 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: nice things about making that ice cream is always that 306 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about it curdling. When you 307 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: make a vanilla ice cream, you'res have always worried that 308 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: it's going to curdle, but doing that ice cream because 309 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: there's no cream in one of let a bubble. But 310 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: I always think it's really important to cook it a 311 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: long time because it gets that taste where it's almost 312 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: sticks to the side. 313 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: I always used to stop. 314 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: Making it when it started sticking to the edges and 315 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: you knew it was getting thick and it was sticking, 316 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes it would even go a bit dark. It 317 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: would go darker, and sometimes you'd get those little kurdles 318 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: of little. 319 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: Lumps from the eggs. 320 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: And I rather like that, yeah, because otherwise it can 321 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: taste a bit eggy and insipid and if you just 322 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: have to keep cooking and cooking and cooking it. I 323 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: remember always putting it back on the stove, and that 324 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: memory not taking it off too soon. And then the 325 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: other last Christmas go on Italian and adaptation of I 326 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: think the Christmas cake again from Trieste, from a recipe 327 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: that was changed over the years. 328 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: So I met. 329 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: Data in nineteen sixty eight, but she was cooking and 330 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: teaching Rose for years. Rose was a friend of Richard's 331 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: and Rose new daughta before I did, and really talked 332 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: about her influence to Wendy Foster, to Rose, to Natalie Gibson, 333 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: the group of Richard's friends. She showed me all the recipes, 334 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: the recipes that she'd written for her Christmas cake, and 335 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: it was so beautiful to see. I wish I had 336 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: it because every year something would be crossed off. 337 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 5: Every year, something would be. 338 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: Changed every year, and ultimately what you had it started 339 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: out with. You know, I've never made a British Christmas cake, 340 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: but I guess it has a lot of nuts. It 341 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: has a lot of fruit. I don't know if it 342 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: has a lot of nuts, but it's fruit, and you know, 343 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: it's a bad with butter and sugar and and eggs 344 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: and data. What she did was she put more alcohol 345 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: in so marinated everything she put in. Everything that went 346 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: in was marinated first in brandy. And then I remember 347 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: she also became quite healthy and really had a really 348 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: hated butter. She thought butter was cholesterol. It was all 349 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: that cholesterol, and that was really bad for you. And 350 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: she I would kill Richard. You one said to me, 351 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna kill Richard, you know, because you put so 352 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: much butter your food and her own husband. So she 353 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: was really reducing the butter, increasing the alcohol, and decreasing 354 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: the fruit. And so in the end what you had 355 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: was mostly cake with nuts, with chocolate with raisins and 356 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: some candied fruit, but maybe just you know, enough to 357 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: be in there. And then she every year kind of 358 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: increased chocolate, and so again it was a kind of 359 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: strange to have it really a Christmas cakes that has 360 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: so much chocolate. And the first recipe that Rose and 361 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: I put in I can't remember which book we put 362 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: it in, but it was pages and pages. 363 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: It was in the. 364 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: And then I think we also adapted it. Then it 365 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: was in the Green Book. And I know that when 366 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: I make it now I also cut out the the 367 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: fruit and put more nuts and chocolate in it, and 368 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: then more alcohol. 369 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: It's so good, it's a really good case. 370 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: I meant to bring some in for you because I. 371 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: Still have, Like I I was thinking I was going 372 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 4: to make a christ also thinking maybe I should make 373 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: a Christmas cake. But then the boring thing about Christmas 374 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 4: cake is all I mean, it's a lot of the 375 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: currants and yeah, kind of with Dada's cake, it's just 376 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: all the good stuff. 377 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: It's all the glasses and so it's not too dry. 378 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: I'll bring them in. I have some. 379 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: And then also the I think the great thing about 380 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: that cake is the marissap he came over anywhere, and 381 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: I put as much sugar, put all the ground almonds 382 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: in and then equal amount of sugar, so there's like 383 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: sugar and ground almonds. And then to hold it all together, 384 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: you just we just put our brand and so the 385 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: whole thing becomes it's quite a dry paste, but it 386 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: is it's total. 387 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: Was that does I think I did, because I think 388 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 5: it's coreat. 389 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: So you put the mars, so you make this paste 390 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: and then you press it on the top and then 391 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: you get it. You make it flat, and then you 392 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: get a fork and you kind of take the fork 393 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: and run it through, so it kind of lifts up 394 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: with the idea and being that when you put it 395 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: under the grill, you know, the top bits of it 396 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: will get grilled. And so he did that and it's 397 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: not a cake that the kids really like that. 398 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, more alcohol and the end. That's the case. 399 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: It reminds me when I was a really young chef. 400 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 4: I came to your house to help make that for 401 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: a photoshoot or something, and Rose and Ruth were both 402 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 4: there making it and I was just helping, like make 403 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 4: the cake. And then it came to the bit to 404 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 4: grill the masa panel. Not to grill the mas pan. 405 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: I presume you wanted to, Yeah, otherwise didn't want to. 406 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: I think if you don't, if you don't grill it, 407 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: I can't. You know, you need to cook the mars pan. Yeah, 408 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: that's to make it sort of tasty. 409 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: Then we always I remember it was quite heated. I 410 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: remember you were getting heated and I was like, I 411 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: don't know what. 412 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: Okay. So we have the ice, we have the with vadka, 413 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: we have the bulita mista with sauces and Maustada and 414 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: then we have the Vincento ice cream with the Saboni 415 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: and we have a candied hazel nut and Clemantine Christmas cake. 416 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: Happy Christmas, Happy Christmas, Happy Christmas. 417 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 3: Thank you. 418 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: Next week, I'm with the Table for I'm with the 419 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: absolutely wonderful Rashida Jones, actor of The American Office, Parks 420 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: and Rec and Black Mirror. We're going to talk about 421 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: her parents, cooking, eating on set, traveling, and all the 422 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: memories she has of food and music. 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