1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,386 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Is it me or do? The 3 00:00:17,386 --> 00:00:19,466 Speaker 1: week's just kind of like fly by. It's like a blur. 4 00:00:19,626 --> 00:00:23,066 Speaker 1: We were just here in the studio, just flying by. 5 00:00:23,146 --> 00:00:26,986 Speaker 1: But you know what, that's the NFL season, Yams season, 6 00:00:27,106 --> 00:00:30,706 Speaker 1: and this is NFL Explained. Man, Look the NFL season 7 00:00:30,746 --> 00:00:33,746 Speaker 1: when you're going through it, it feels fast, but each 8 00:00:33,826 --> 00:00:36,466 Speaker 1: day feels slow. You feel. What I'm saying even now 9 00:00:36,546 --> 00:00:40,506 Speaker 1: is you're not a player. You're not recovering. Like, do 10 00:00:40,546 --> 00:00:42,706 Speaker 1: you know how much film I look at a week. 11 00:00:42,826 --> 00:00:45,546 Speaker 1: I look at every single game at least three times, 12 00:00:46,186 --> 00:00:48,226 Speaker 1: at least three You know who you should be hanging 13 00:00:48,266 --> 00:00:51,586 Speaker 1: out with on a regular basis, Kyler, Kyla Murray. Yeah, 14 00:00:51,866 --> 00:00:53,866 Speaker 1: playing video? I don't play Call of Duty. That's coming 15 00:00:53,866 --> 00:00:57,746 Speaker 1: out this week, the new ones coming out. I'm actually 16 00:00:57,746 --> 00:01:01,386 Speaker 1: now worried because this NFL Explained episode is all about 17 00:01:01,786 --> 00:01:05,226 Speaker 1: quarterback controversies. And I'm just now wondering, like did I 18 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:07,506 Speaker 1: just set the table and like the worst way absolutely 19 00:01:07,546 --> 00:01:11,106 Speaker 1: possible for this episode, you led me there. I'm blaming you. 20 00:01:11,666 --> 00:01:15,226 Speaker 1: Today's episode of NFL Explained is all about quarterback controversies. 21 00:01:15,266 --> 00:01:17,906 Speaker 1: We actually got the question from a listener who hit 22 00:01:17,946 --> 00:01:20,786 Speaker 1: me up on social media, and we decided to make 23 00:01:20,826 --> 00:01:22,786 Speaker 1: it a whole episode. And it's kind of crazy to me. 24 00:01:22,826 --> 00:01:24,826 Speaker 1: I'm rob because I think about some of these controversies. 25 00:01:24,866 --> 00:01:28,066 Speaker 1: You have dudes, established starters, stars in the league who 26 00:01:28,066 --> 00:01:30,706 Speaker 1: all of a sudden lose their jobs because of maybe age, 27 00:01:30,946 --> 00:01:33,586 Speaker 1: where they are in their career, or the NFL is 28 00:01:33,626 --> 00:01:35,506 Speaker 1: a business. Sometimes it's just to do that. They drafted 29 00:01:35,506 --> 00:01:37,066 Speaker 1: in the first round and you gotta find out if 30 00:01:37,066 --> 00:01:39,546 Speaker 1: he could play or not. Absolutely. Look, I think when 31 00:01:39,546 --> 00:01:43,026 Speaker 1: I first got to Seattle, my San Francisco days were 32 00:01:43,066 --> 00:01:45,066 Speaker 1: a little bit different just because Alex Smith was a 33 00:01:45,146 --> 00:01:47,426 Speaker 1: high draft pick. The year before I got there, everybody 34 00:01:47,426 --> 00:01:49,866 Speaker 1: in the building new this was Alex Smith's job, So 35 00:01:49,906 --> 00:01:52,786 Speaker 1: really what any controversy. There was more controversy about the 36 00:01:52,786 --> 00:01:56,186 Speaker 1: head coach and Mike Nolan, uh coach secretary, things like that, 37 00:01:56,786 --> 00:01:59,386 Speaker 1: But when I got to Seattle, Matt Hasselback was there. 38 00:01:59,466 --> 00:02:01,546 Speaker 1: Matt Hasselback had went to a super Bowl in two 39 00:02:01,586 --> 00:02:05,346 Speaker 1: thousand five. I got to Seattle in after training camp 40 00:02:05,466 --> 00:02:08,226 Speaker 1: and there wasn't that much of a controversy, but it 41 00:02:08,386 --> 00:02:11,706 Speaker 1: was that storyline like as as Matt washed can he 42 00:02:11,826 --> 00:02:15,266 Speaker 1: still lead a young team? Pete Carroll and John Snyder 43 00:02:15,346 --> 00:02:19,586 Speaker 1: they had like two business interactions and acquired players and 44 00:02:19,666 --> 00:02:21,786 Speaker 1: let players go just during training camp, like it was 45 00:02:21,826 --> 00:02:24,826 Speaker 1: something crazy. It's something crazy number like that. And so 46 00:02:25,426 --> 00:02:27,746 Speaker 1: that was really the only controversy when I first got there. 47 00:02:27,986 --> 00:02:30,586 Speaker 1: Obviously everybody knows. We had to varge Jackson after that, 48 00:02:30,746 --> 00:02:33,826 Speaker 1: and then Matt Flynn. The Matt Flynn thing is that 49 00:02:34,906 --> 00:02:37,306 Speaker 1: the controversy that came because we got Matt Flinn. He 50 00:02:37,306 --> 00:02:39,986 Speaker 1: signed the twenty six million dollar deal and it's crazy, 51 00:02:40,066 --> 00:02:41,746 Speaker 1: and actually, I'm not to cut you off here, but 52 00:02:41,786 --> 00:02:43,506 Speaker 1: I think some of our listeners might not even be 53 00:02:43,546 --> 00:02:46,186 Speaker 1: familiar with the name Matt Flynn. This is dude who 54 00:02:46,186 --> 00:02:48,746 Speaker 1: got a big contract after just a couple of games. 55 00:02:48,786 --> 00:02:52,066 Speaker 1: So they sound like twenty or five million dollar deal 56 00:02:52,106 --> 00:02:55,186 Speaker 1: with Seattle. He backed up and Rogers in Green Bay, 57 00:02:55,626 --> 00:02:57,506 Speaker 1: and yeah, he was the big money guy that was 58 00:02:57,506 --> 00:03:00,866 Speaker 1: supposed to be the franchise quarterback for our Seahawks. And really, 59 00:03:01,066 --> 00:03:04,666 Speaker 1: when you look at his play, he benefited from being 60 00:03:04,706 --> 00:03:06,946 Speaker 1: in a great situation and he became a free agent 61 00:03:06,986 --> 00:03:08,906 Speaker 1: at the right time. So we get Matt Flynn in there. 62 00:03:08,906 --> 00:03:11,306 Speaker 1: And I remember during the draft that year it was 63 00:03:12,906 --> 00:03:14,546 Speaker 1: and I get a call from the general manager. I 64 00:03:14,626 --> 00:03:16,306 Speaker 1: was a team captain for the Seattle See I was. 65 00:03:16,306 --> 00:03:19,386 Speaker 1: I get a call from John Snyder, and John says, Yo, 66 00:03:19,706 --> 00:03:21,906 Speaker 1: we got this dude from v A. He's a quarterback. 67 00:03:21,946 --> 00:03:24,546 Speaker 1: I had already heard of him because I was I'm 68 00:03:24,546 --> 00:03:27,826 Speaker 1: from Richard, Virginia. Russell played at Collegiate, a private school 69 00:03:27,826 --> 00:03:30,106 Speaker 1: in Richmond, Virginia. Even though with me and Russell Wilson 70 00:03:30,266 --> 00:03:32,826 Speaker 1: when we talk, we argue about public and private school. 71 00:03:32,866 --> 00:03:34,546 Speaker 1: I went to a public school and went to private school, 72 00:03:34,546 --> 00:03:35,706 Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, you would have never won a 73 00:03:35,746 --> 00:03:39,106 Speaker 1: state championship if you was playing in the public leagues. 74 00:03:39,186 --> 00:03:41,386 Speaker 1: But that's why I digress a little bit. But I 75 00:03:41,386 --> 00:03:43,506 Speaker 1: remember John Snyder calling me and saying, Bro, we're gonna 76 00:03:43,546 --> 00:03:46,186 Speaker 1: take this kid in the third round, and I believe 77 00:03:46,266 --> 00:03:48,866 Speaker 1: he can be our starter. And you gotta think, yeah. 78 00:03:48,866 --> 00:03:52,226 Speaker 1: It's like I'm a team captain. So I'm like, Bro, 79 00:03:52,306 --> 00:03:54,586 Speaker 1: but you just brought in a quarterback, and I'm thinking 80 00:03:54,706 --> 00:03:56,666 Speaker 1: we're gonna run the office through the run game. Just 81 00:03:56,786 --> 00:03:58,746 Speaker 1: then the third Russell a little bit more dynamic. What 82 00:03:59,586 --> 00:04:01,746 Speaker 1: are you saying any short like it was a lot 83 00:04:01,826 --> 00:04:04,906 Speaker 1: of questions I had, but I trusted John. John was like, Yo, 84 00:04:05,346 --> 00:04:09,106 Speaker 1: this dude can play. Trust me goes out when's the 85 00:04:09,106 --> 00:04:11,226 Speaker 1: starting job loses the first game of the season that 86 00:04:11,426 --> 00:04:13,386 Speaker 1: was on the Cardinals, and that bus right, I know, 87 00:04:13,466 --> 00:04:15,786 Speaker 1: our listener, you know it was basically interested in how 88 00:04:15,826 --> 00:04:19,826 Speaker 1: the locker room deals with this stuff, Yams. When I 89 00:04:19,906 --> 00:04:21,986 Speaker 1: tell you that bus right, I mean that a plane 90 00:04:21,986 --> 00:04:23,906 Speaker 1: trip after we lost it there as on the Cardinals 91 00:04:23,946 --> 00:04:27,786 Speaker 1: was something entertaining. That's just a good word I'm using. 92 00:04:27,986 --> 00:04:31,266 Speaker 1: But uh, every guy, especially defensively because we had a 93 00:04:31,346 --> 00:04:35,026 Speaker 1: championship defense already, was like, why in the hell out 94 00:04:35,106 --> 00:04:40,026 Speaker 1: we playing this rookie And it almost fractured us to 95 00:04:40,146 --> 00:04:43,866 Speaker 1: a degree, and to Russell's and Matt Flynn for that matter, 96 00:04:44,026 --> 00:04:47,386 Speaker 1: to both of those guys, credit Russell fought back, He 97 00:04:47,386 --> 00:04:50,226 Speaker 1: heard the whispers, he could hear whatever. He fought back 98 00:04:50,426 --> 00:04:53,066 Speaker 1: and got into the form that we saw when we 99 00:04:53,266 --> 00:04:55,586 Speaker 1: won our Super Bowl, and then Matt Flynn was supporting 100 00:04:55,626 --> 00:04:57,666 Speaker 1: him the entire time. I do think it's important to 101 00:04:57,666 --> 00:05:00,906 Speaker 1: set the stage and discuss a couple of different quarterback controversies. 102 00:05:00,986 --> 00:05:04,226 Speaker 1: Some were recent this season, some from way back in 103 00:05:04,266 --> 00:05:06,986 Speaker 1: the day before I was even born. We just gotta 104 00:05:06,986 --> 00:05:09,506 Speaker 1: set the table here. One that everyone sort of knows 105 00:05:09,586 --> 00:05:11,946 Speaker 1: just because it's in the news. Mitch Sure, Biscuit, Kenny Pickett, 106 00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:14,866 Speaker 1: We've seen that one play and that things just kind 107 00:05:14,866 --> 00:05:17,066 Speaker 1: of interesting because of concastions and injuries and the whole 108 00:05:17,106 --> 00:05:19,826 Speaker 1: thing and swapping guys in and out. But we can 109 00:05:19,866 --> 00:05:21,986 Speaker 1: go all the way back to ninety nine. I mean, 110 00:05:22,146 --> 00:05:25,346 Speaker 1: the Rams had two quarterbacks in Norm Van Brocklyn and 111 00:05:25,426 --> 00:05:29,466 Speaker 1: Bob Waterfield. The Rams actually drafted Van Brocklyn in nineteen 112 00:05:29,546 --> 00:05:33,106 Speaker 1: forty nine, and during his rookie season, he started zero games. 113 00:05:33,386 --> 00:05:36,266 Speaker 1: Waterfield he was the starting quarterback the following year, though. 114 00:05:36,306 --> 00:05:39,506 Speaker 1: From nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty two, the Rams actually 115 00:05:39,586 --> 00:05:43,786 Speaker 1: alternated Waterfield and Van Brocklyn as the starting quarterback. Waterfield 116 00:05:43,786 --> 00:05:47,226 Speaker 1: started twenty two games, van Brocklyn fourteen games Over those 117 00:05:47,226 --> 00:05:50,546 Speaker 1: three seasons. Even with the rotation, the Rams won the 118 00:05:50,626 --> 00:05:54,746 Speaker 1: NFL Championship that you're beating Cleveland in nineteen fifty one. 119 00:05:54,986 --> 00:05:57,786 Speaker 1: Waterfield ended up retiring in fifty two, Van Brocklyn became 120 00:05:57,826 --> 00:06:00,346 Speaker 1: the full time starter. He's a Pro Football Hall of Famer, 121 00:06:00,786 --> 00:06:03,626 Speaker 1: and I think proving the old adage incorrect. If you 122 00:06:03,626 --> 00:06:05,986 Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks, that means you don't have any It's 123 00:06:06,026 --> 00:06:08,586 Speaker 1: like what people say, yes it is it. I didn't 124 00:06:08,586 --> 00:06:12,226 Speaker 1: know this story to see the platoon system at the 125 00:06:12,306 --> 00:06:15,946 Speaker 1: quarterback position go way back there. See I get into 126 00:06:15,986 --> 00:06:18,746 Speaker 1: this crazy argument. That's really the argument. I call it 127 00:06:18,826 --> 00:06:23,146 Speaker 1: heated fellowship with Bucky Brooks. I love he is a 128 00:06:23,226 --> 00:06:26,266 Speaker 1: greater talent evaluator and him and I I talked to 129 00:06:26,306 --> 00:06:28,786 Speaker 1: him about three years ago about this phenomenon that I'm 130 00:06:28,786 --> 00:06:31,986 Speaker 1: seeing at the quarterback position. And when the fact that 131 00:06:32,026 --> 00:06:35,066 Speaker 1: the salaries are ballooning so much or whatever, and it's 132 00:06:35,106 --> 00:06:37,626 Speaker 1: not like guys are getting paid off a skill set. 133 00:06:37,666 --> 00:06:40,466 Speaker 1: They're just getting paid because of the next guy up right, 134 00:06:40,546 --> 00:06:42,826 Speaker 1: which is a little different every other position, Like you know, 135 00:06:43,106 --> 00:06:44,906 Speaker 1: Sara and Donald, A lot of people ain't gonna make 136 00:06:44,906 --> 00:06:46,866 Speaker 1: more than Aaron Donald. That's the left hand. A lot 137 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:48,866 Speaker 1: of people are gonna make more than Trent Williams because 138 00:06:48,866 --> 00:06:51,266 Speaker 1: he is clearly the best in the in the National 139 00:06:51,266 --> 00:06:53,706 Speaker 1: Football League. Quarterback is a little bit different. And I 140 00:06:53,746 --> 00:06:58,106 Speaker 1: said that as the salaries balloon, I can see a 141 00:06:58,146 --> 00:07:02,426 Speaker 1: general manager saying why Lamar Jackson, for instance, I e 142 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:05,306 Speaker 1: since he's not paid yet. Yeah cool, I'm gonna pay 143 00:07:05,346 --> 00:07:08,746 Speaker 1: that whole room fifty million dollars a season. You're gonna 144 00:07:08,786 --> 00:07:11,826 Speaker 1: get forty of it. But because of the way you play, 145 00:07:12,826 --> 00:07:15,586 Speaker 1: I need this offense to continue to roll. If you 146 00:07:15,666 --> 00:07:18,786 Speaker 1: get hurt Lamar Lamarian signed enough for that Tyler hunting. 147 00:07:20,346 --> 00:07:22,866 Speaker 1: But if you're getting guarantee, you know what I mean, 148 00:07:23,106 --> 00:07:24,826 Speaker 1: the season, I mean, why not. I mean, it's a 149 00:07:24,866 --> 00:07:27,466 Speaker 1: little bit more on the general managers some finances, but 150 00:07:27,586 --> 00:07:30,586 Speaker 1: I just think it's coming. The league is too physical. 151 00:07:30,786 --> 00:07:33,666 Speaker 1: These quarterbacks are running around now we're seeing what's happening 152 00:07:33,666 --> 00:07:43,426 Speaker 1: to him. Welcome back to the NFL Explained podcast. So 153 00:07:43,546 --> 00:07:48,146 Speaker 1: the controversies, they are going to continue probably forever if 154 00:07:48,186 --> 00:07:51,026 Speaker 1: there's because it's not just quarterbacks. Like there's position battles 155 00:07:51,106 --> 00:07:54,546 Speaker 1: every single year at different camps. There's one team that 156 00:07:54,626 --> 00:07:57,386 Speaker 1: consistently comes up. And now I'll give them credit because 157 00:07:57,426 --> 00:08:00,186 Speaker 1: they consistently have a dude at the quarterback spot. But 158 00:08:00,226 --> 00:08:02,786 Speaker 1: when that dude starts to get a little tread where 159 00:08:02,946 --> 00:08:04,786 Speaker 1: on those tires, like all of a sudden, it's that 160 00:08:04,866 --> 00:08:07,306 Speaker 1: next wave and then that quarterback controversy kicks up. And 161 00:08:07,346 --> 00:08:09,906 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Green Bay Packers. I'll take you 162 00:08:09,946 --> 00:08:13,066 Speaker 1: back to nineteen sixties seven. They had Bart Starr as 163 00:08:13,106 --> 00:08:17,146 Speaker 1: the started. They drafted it Don Horn twenty overall. They 164 00:08:17,146 --> 00:08:19,386 Speaker 1: also had a dude that they drafted in Brett Farve, 165 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:22,386 Speaker 1: and then Aaron Rodgers twenty four overall. In two thousand five, 166 00:08:22,466 --> 00:08:27,066 Speaker 1: drafted Jordan Loved twenty six. Rogers, by the way, still 167 00:08:27,066 --> 00:08:29,786 Speaker 1: a dude who's winning MVP awards. So kind of crazy here. 168 00:08:30,066 --> 00:08:33,186 Speaker 1: But Horn was primarily starts back up before he was 169 00:08:33,226 --> 00:08:36,666 Speaker 1: traded to Denver. The Farv Rogers controversy, that thing got 170 00:08:36,706 --> 00:08:38,786 Speaker 1: heated back in two thousand eight. Man, I remember this 171 00:08:38,866 --> 00:08:43,386 Speaker 1: doing talk radio, and this was all the rage. Rogers 172 00:08:43,466 --> 00:08:45,866 Speaker 1: had been Far's back up for a few seasons. Finally 173 00:08:45,946 --> 00:08:48,786 Speaker 1: it's like, yo, Brett's retiring. Dude, It's finally my time. 174 00:08:48,826 --> 00:08:51,666 Speaker 1: Can I get out there and start slinging it. Farv 175 00:08:51,826 --> 00:08:55,306 Speaker 1: un retires four months later and reports to camp and 176 00:08:55,346 --> 00:08:57,226 Speaker 1: think about that, like you are in legend one of 177 00:08:57,226 --> 00:08:59,586 Speaker 1: the all time grades. You unretired. It's like, all right, 178 00:08:59,666 --> 00:09:02,546 Speaker 1: like I'm back, Like, what's the team gonna do? It's 179 00:09:02,586 --> 00:09:04,866 Speaker 1: kind of funky, right, Packers decide, no, no no, no, it 180 00:09:04,866 --> 00:09:08,066 Speaker 1: ain't that funky we're gonna go with Aaron Instead, Brett 181 00:09:08,106 --> 00:09:11,426 Speaker 1: goes to the Jets. Do you remember that Crazy played 182 00:09:11,466 --> 00:09:14,066 Speaker 1: against Brett and the Jets. They came out to San 183 00:09:14,066 --> 00:09:16,346 Speaker 1: Francisco and I think they beat us in two thousand 184 00:09:16,386 --> 00:09:17,946 Speaker 1: and eight. I went too happy. I didn't have my 185 00:09:17,986 --> 00:09:20,746 Speaker 1: best game special team wise. But it's okay. I digress. 186 00:09:21,066 --> 00:09:24,826 Speaker 1: But to your point, it's hard to have these business divorces. 187 00:09:25,666 --> 00:09:28,586 Speaker 1: It's just tough, especially a guy who's been playing that 188 00:09:28,746 --> 00:09:31,146 Speaker 1: great Hall of Famer. But I do think it's on 189 00:09:31,186 --> 00:09:33,466 Speaker 1: the decision makers of the team to have the team 190 00:09:33,546 --> 00:09:36,386 Speaker 1: first and think, hey man, we gotta make those tough decisions. 191 00:09:36,386 --> 00:09:38,186 Speaker 1: Bill Beltick does it all the time with every position. 192 00:09:38,186 --> 00:09:40,146 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, he just let Tom Brady 193 00:09:40,186 --> 00:09:42,906 Speaker 1: goes not too longer. You gotta trust your talent evaluators 194 00:09:42,946 --> 00:09:46,306 Speaker 1: and your coaches who are watching these dudes every single 195 00:09:46,666 --> 00:09:48,906 Speaker 1: day in practice. Because keep in mind here when Far 196 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:51,666 Speaker 1: with that team's quarterback thirteen and three record in that 197 00:09:51,706 --> 00:09:54,866 Speaker 1: final season NFC championship appearance in two thousand seven, so 198 00:09:54,866 --> 00:09:57,106 Speaker 1: they're like knocking on the door to get into a 199 00:09:57,146 --> 00:10:00,746 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Just for some context, here Far two thousand 200 00:10:00,826 --> 00:10:03,826 Speaker 1: eight only played to ten in those two season. Now 201 00:10:03,866 --> 00:10:05,666 Speaker 1: it's a different roster, right because it's the Jets. The 202 00:10:05,746 --> 00:10:09,666 Speaker 1: whole thing, the win lost record nineteen Roger's still playing, 203 00:10:09,666 --> 00:10:13,106 Speaker 1: He's got two wins. Like you understand, I mean looking 204 00:10:13,106 --> 00:10:16,026 Speaker 1: back on but you understand like that was a great 205 00:10:16,066 --> 00:10:19,826 Speaker 1: move from a Green Bay perspective. Here's where it gets 206 00:10:19,866 --> 00:10:22,306 Speaker 1: a little interesting, and I think there's some correlation between 207 00:10:22,346 --> 00:10:26,786 Speaker 1: present day when Rogers got drafted. Far said quote, my 208 00:10:26,906 --> 00:10:29,266 Speaker 1: contract doesn't say I have to get Aaron Rodgers ready 209 00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:32,506 Speaker 1: to play. Now, hopefully he watches me and get something 210 00:10:32,586 --> 00:10:36,066 Speaker 1: from that reminds me of another rookie veteran comment that 211 00:10:36,106 --> 00:10:38,026 Speaker 1: we heard this pass off season, like, well, let's get 212 00:10:38,106 --> 00:10:42,466 Speaker 1: drafted by Tennessee. Tannehill says something kind of similar to it. 213 00:10:42,986 --> 00:10:45,226 Speaker 1: What do you make of that mentality? And Rogers says 214 00:10:45,346 --> 00:10:49,106 Speaker 1: something kind of similar about years ago. So, um, I 215 00:10:49,146 --> 00:10:52,746 Speaker 1: get it. It is not on the starter to teach 216 00:10:52,746 --> 00:10:56,386 Speaker 1: a guy how to take his job. That is not 217 00:10:56,546 --> 00:10:59,906 Speaker 1: the responsibility of the starting player. Hell I was the 218 00:10:59,906 --> 00:11:02,586 Speaker 1: only fullback in Seattle for a number of years, but 219 00:11:02,706 --> 00:11:04,946 Speaker 1: yet every year people don't realize they drafted and bart 220 00:11:04,986 --> 00:11:09,426 Speaker 1: guys in had to win the job. Every single year. 221 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:13,426 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I think that's the right mentality. 222 00:11:13,466 --> 00:11:15,786 Speaker 1: I think it's on the person competing for the job. 223 00:11:15,826 --> 00:11:19,066 Speaker 1: It's on the backup quarterback to watch see what's going on, 224 00:11:19,266 --> 00:11:21,906 Speaker 1: understand what this guy in funny he was doing right 225 00:11:21,946 --> 00:11:24,506 Speaker 1: and wrong, and figure out your own path to being 226 00:11:24,546 --> 00:11:27,586 Speaker 1: a starter. How hard is it? Football is a little 227 00:11:27,586 --> 00:11:29,506 Speaker 1: different not to make this an NBA thing as the 228 00:11:29,506 --> 00:11:31,826 Speaker 1: start of NBA season, And maybe that's I'm sort of 229 00:11:31,866 --> 00:11:35,866 Speaker 1: thinking about some conversations that I've had watch um. I 230 00:11:35,906 --> 00:11:38,226 Speaker 1: used to work with Kenny Smith, who's he played for 231 00:11:38,226 --> 00:11:41,866 Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, famous being commentator for international audience, who 232 00:11:41,906 --> 00:11:45,946 Speaker 1: maybe it's not as familiar. He and Sam Cassell we're 233 00:11:46,146 --> 00:11:47,946 Speaker 1: both playing for the Rockets at the time, and I 234 00:11:47,986 --> 00:11:49,786 Speaker 1: remember doing a show with him and he's like, man, Mike, 235 00:11:49,826 --> 00:11:52,066 Speaker 1: it was so hard for me because you want him 236 00:11:52,346 --> 00:11:54,666 Speaker 1: and the team to do well. But when I'm not 237 00:11:54,786 --> 00:11:58,466 Speaker 1: the dude out there plan it hurts. You just said, hey, like, 238 00:11:58,786 --> 00:12:00,906 Speaker 1: I'm a fullback. Team keeps bringing it dudes in, I 239 00:12:00,906 --> 00:12:04,106 Speaker 1: gotta compete you Also, like I know you you're you're 240 00:12:04,146 --> 00:12:06,186 Speaker 1: a really nice guy, Like you don't want to be 241 00:12:06,266 --> 00:12:10,066 Speaker 1: a you know, to somewhat like, but there's that competitiveness. 242 00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:13,386 Speaker 1: How do you balance that? Well, um, you just have 243 00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:16,426 Speaker 1: a little integrity about yourself, like for me, And this 244 00:12:16,466 --> 00:12:18,826 Speaker 1: is what I mean by that, Mike. Like every fullback 245 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:20,786 Speaker 1: that we're walking into the running back meeting room, I 246 00:12:20,786 --> 00:12:23,786 Speaker 1: would introduce myself. Hey, look, I'm here for you be 247 00:12:23,866 --> 00:12:27,586 Speaker 1: a sponge. I'm not gonna take you after practice and 248 00:12:27,586 --> 00:12:30,266 Speaker 1: show you what's going on, but if you ask, I'm 249 00:12:30,386 --> 00:12:33,466 Speaker 1: never gonna turn you away. But this is a business. 250 00:12:34,226 --> 00:12:38,346 Speaker 1: I got four children, I got bills. You ain't taking 251 00:12:38,386 --> 00:12:40,586 Speaker 1: my job. And I would look him in the US 252 00:12:40,666 --> 00:12:43,826 Speaker 1: if you say that, and I could see their response. 253 00:12:44,386 --> 00:12:46,666 Speaker 1: My last year there, I had I had got sick 254 00:12:46,746 --> 00:12:49,066 Speaker 1: or whatever. But my last year there, there was a 255 00:12:49,146 --> 00:12:51,546 Speaker 1: runner there who ended up playing tail back in Kansas 256 00:12:51,586 --> 00:12:53,426 Speaker 1: City for a while. I forget his name off top 257 00:12:53,426 --> 00:12:56,786 Speaker 1: of my head, but I said that to him and 258 00:12:56,826 --> 00:12:59,906 Speaker 1: he said, all right, I bet I take your job. 259 00:13:00,906 --> 00:13:04,386 Speaker 1: That's when I knew what this kid is probably I'm 260 00:13:04,386 --> 00:13:06,866 Speaker 1: probably gonna be my last season. That was part of 261 00:13:06,906 --> 00:13:09,426 Speaker 1: it because I knew, okay, yeah, this kid is willing 262 00:13:09,426 --> 00:13:10,986 Speaker 1: to do the fighting. I had already got to a 263 00:13:11,026 --> 00:13:13,586 Speaker 1: point where I won't trying to fight no more. Yeah, 264 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:16,666 Speaker 1: I had mentally, I had said goodbye. It's not on 265 00:13:16,786 --> 00:13:20,546 Speaker 1: the starter to teach, But to me, with the starter 266 00:13:20,626 --> 00:13:24,226 Speaker 1: gives to the team, is that ability to be a 267 00:13:24,266 --> 00:13:27,226 Speaker 1: model for that person? Do you do you? This is 268 00:13:27,266 --> 00:13:30,866 Speaker 1: a broad, sweeping generalization, and it's not necessarily quarterback specific, 269 00:13:30,866 --> 00:13:32,626 Speaker 1: even though this is a quarterback episode, but I think 270 00:13:32,626 --> 00:13:36,266 Speaker 1: it still applies. Do you rather have the Kumbaya kind 271 00:13:36,266 --> 00:13:38,426 Speaker 1: of vibe in the locker room where everyone's kind of 272 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,346 Speaker 1: getting along, or have some of those dogs that are like, 273 00:13:41,386 --> 00:13:44,386 Speaker 1: you know what, screw you, You're my teammate. I'm getting though. 274 00:13:44,906 --> 00:13:48,666 Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeahs, that is such a We could spend 275 00:13:48,666 --> 00:13:51,466 Speaker 1: a whole episode on that. I do some consulting with 276 00:13:51,546 --> 00:13:54,226 Speaker 1: some universities. I helped head coaches. I'll do some life 277 00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:57,346 Speaker 1: coaching and stuff, even some coordinators and coaches in the 278 00:13:57,466 --> 00:14:01,506 Speaker 1: National Football League. And I'm always having this conversation, especially 279 00:14:01,506 --> 00:14:04,946 Speaker 1: with team builders, about just that you need a level 280 00:14:05,186 --> 00:14:11,266 Speaker 1: of attitude or I don't know that that harshness on 281 00:14:11,346 --> 00:14:13,306 Speaker 1: the Let me give you an example that way you 282 00:14:13,346 --> 00:14:16,026 Speaker 1: can understand what I'm saying. When I played for Seattle, 283 00:14:16,466 --> 00:14:19,826 Speaker 1: our defense was a championship defense. In eleven we didn't 284 00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:23,026 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl to so our defense played two 285 00:14:23,186 --> 00:14:26,226 Speaker 1: and a half years of championship ball before the offense 286 00:14:26,426 --> 00:14:30,386 Speaker 1: caught up right, So practice Pete had to do a 287 00:14:30,426 --> 00:14:34,746 Speaker 1: great job of regulating practice because if not, the offense 288 00:14:34,786 --> 00:14:37,306 Speaker 1: and the quarterback won't have any confidence to go out 289 00:14:37,346 --> 00:14:40,946 Speaker 1: there on Sunday, right we would have the biggest fights 290 00:14:41,026 --> 00:14:44,386 Speaker 1: and not fist fights. But y'all ain't scoring. There would 291 00:14:44,386 --> 00:14:46,426 Speaker 1: tell us we're not scoring me and Beast moltor office, 292 00:14:46,466 --> 00:14:48,866 Speaker 1: We're saying, bro, we're gonna run this thing. Right there, 293 00:14:49,066 --> 00:14:51,506 Speaker 1: there was this competitive juice there. It was you know, 294 00:14:51,546 --> 00:14:55,186 Speaker 1: sometimes things got gone or whatever, but you need that 295 00:14:55,306 --> 00:14:59,066 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, that is the vibration, 296 00:14:59,146 --> 00:15:01,746 Speaker 1: that is the situation, that is the environmental game day, 297 00:15:02,466 --> 00:15:05,866 Speaker 1: and great coaches simulate game days at practice. So you 298 00:15:05,946 --> 00:15:08,946 Speaker 1: need these types of players on your team to kind of, 299 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:11,786 Speaker 1: for lack of better words, mix some things up. Yeah, 300 00:15:11,946 --> 00:15:14,306 Speaker 1: you know, I think about being in the Bay Area 301 00:15:14,946 --> 00:15:18,546 Speaker 1: this offseason before the year started, Fred Warner, linebacker for 302 00:15:18,586 --> 00:15:23,066 Speaker 1: the Niners, Brandon I, you receiver, like those dudes got 303 00:15:23,106 --> 00:15:25,786 Speaker 1: into it and it was the chirping on the field 304 00:15:25,826 --> 00:15:27,266 Speaker 1: for a little bit and then all of a sudden, 305 00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:29,106 Speaker 1: it was more than chirpin like dudes were in each 306 00:15:29,106 --> 00:15:31,666 Speaker 1: other's faces. And from a media perspective, like I think 307 00:15:31,666 --> 00:15:33,306 Speaker 1: the ones who've covered the league for a long time, 308 00:15:33,346 --> 00:15:35,626 Speaker 1: they go all right, whatever, you know, Like Brandon actually 309 00:15:35,626 --> 00:15:37,226 Speaker 1: came out to our set after I asked him. It's like, no, 310 00:15:37,346 --> 00:15:39,666 Speaker 1: we're cool, like you know, he said, because he understands 311 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:43,626 Speaker 1: the competitive nature of it and he understands like, that's 312 00:15:43,626 --> 00:15:45,906 Speaker 1: gonna get the best out of me. There's no different 313 00:15:46,026 --> 00:15:48,626 Speaker 1: in when you hear all the stories of when Tom 314 00:15:48,626 --> 00:15:50,546 Speaker 1: Brady was with New England. The first time you go 315 00:15:50,626 --> 00:15:53,706 Speaker 1: to a team meeting, the first thing Bill Belichick does 316 00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:57,066 Speaker 1: is call out the goat. It's the same thing, you 317 00:15:57,066 --> 00:15:58,786 Speaker 1: know what I mean, He's trying to get the best 318 00:15:58,866 --> 00:16:01,066 Speaker 1: version of himself. I'm glad you bring up Tom Brady 319 00:16:01,106 --> 00:16:03,586 Speaker 1: because he is going to come up in this episode. 320 00:16:03,666 --> 00:16:05,506 Speaker 1: And I know we already talked about the Green Bay 321 00:16:05,506 --> 00:16:07,906 Speaker 1: Pack or some of their quarterback issues, but there's one 322 00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:10,906 Speaker 1: quarterback controversy, m Rob that might be the most famous 323 00:16:11,226 --> 00:16:14,346 Speaker 1: quarterback controversy in the history of the NFL. We will 324 00:16:14,386 --> 00:16:24,826 Speaker 1: tell you what that is next on NFL Explained Welcome 325 00:16:24,826 --> 00:16:28,586 Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained podcast. Mike, Yeah, Michael Robinson 326 00:16:28,706 --> 00:16:32,306 Speaker 1: with you. This episode is all about quarterback controversies. We're 327 00:16:32,346 --> 00:16:35,186 Speaker 1: doing this episode because one of our listeners actually slid 328 00:16:35,186 --> 00:16:37,666 Speaker 1: into my d M and had a question. We got 329 00:16:37,666 --> 00:16:40,506 Speaker 1: our mail bag episode right around the corner. I continued 330 00:16:40,546 --> 00:16:43,026 Speaker 1: to compile some of these questions. I promise if you're 331 00:16:43,026 --> 00:16:45,546 Speaker 1: sending them in, I'll hit you back and make sure 332 00:16:46,066 --> 00:16:50,426 Speaker 1: we get to it. Yeah. I always have a funny 333 00:16:50,466 --> 00:16:52,826 Speaker 1: message when I screenshot it and send it on our 334 00:16:52,866 --> 00:16:56,346 Speaker 1: group text. Are another team who had a ton of 335 00:16:56,466 --> 00:17:00,026 Speaker 1: quarterback controversies besides the Green Bay Packers. And I teased 336 00:17:00,026 --> 00:17:01,826 Speaker 1: and I said, this might be the most famous quarterback 337 00:17:01,826 --> 00:17:06,426 Speaker 1: controversy of all time. It's the San Francisco Fordians, Joe Montana, 338 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:09,626 Speaker 1: Steve Young. I mean, Montana, are you kidding me? Like that? 339 00:17:09,706 --> 00:17:13,426 Speaker 1: The dude like the goat the heats ago before TV twelve, Right, 340 00:17:13,466 --> 00:17:16,626 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably the best way of describing it. Uh, 341 00:17:16,746 --> 00:17:19,746 Speaker 1: Niners get Steve Young. Joe Montana missed eight games the 342 00:17:19,786 --> 00:17:22,626 Speaker 1: previous season. I'm taking people back to seven, so just 343 00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:26,426 Speaker 1: to reset, it's eighty seven. Niners get Steve and Joe 344 00:17:26,466 --> 00:17:28,706 Speaker 1: Montana had missed eight games that previous year, so like, 345 00:17:28,706 --> 00:17:31,546 Speaker 1: all right, we might need a little insurance here. Montana 346 00:17:31,626 --> 00:17:34,306 Speaker 1: talking to Sports Illustrated in nineteen eighty eight and back 347 00:17:34,306 --> 00:17:36,866 Speaker 1: in the day Sports Illustrated, man, like that was that 348 00:17:36,946 --> 00:17:39,306 Speaker 1: was the jam, Like you got the magazine every single week. 349 00:17:39,626 --> 00:17:42,146 Speaker 1: I still get the magazine to my house. That's still 350 00:17:42,146 --> 00:17:43,986 Speaker 1: a thing. I don't even know. That was my son 351 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:45,906 Speaker 1: signed up. What I got a night. Jerry signed up 352 00:17:45,946 --> 00:17:47,626 Speaker 1: for it. To get some other free magazines, I said, 353 00:17:47,666 --> 00:17:50,746 Speaker 1: make it, yes, we want Illustrated. I still read the articles, Mike. 354 00:17:51,106 --> 00:17:53,186 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a reader, man, I love that. 355 00:17:53,346 --> 00:17:55,146 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool that you were supportive of your son 356 00:17:55,306 --> 00:17:58,266 Speaker 1: signing you up and your family. A ton of spam 357 00:17:58,386 --> 00:18:01,226 Speaker 1: that heads. I got a lot of those advertisements, so 358 00:18:01,226 --> 00:18:03,506 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're at least getting some some sports and 359 00:18:03,546 --> 00:18:07,106 Speaker 1: a fix for your kids. But Montana back in was 360 00:18:07,146 --> 00:18:10,266 Speaker 1: talking to Sports Illustrated, and you know he's asked about 361 00:18:10,266 --> 00:18:12,426 Speaker 1: the competition. This is what he had to say. We're friends, 362 00:18:12,426 --> 00:18:14,506 Speaker 1: Steve and I, but on the practice field, if he 363 00:18:14,546 --> 00:18:17,466 Speaker 1: doesn't hate me as much as I hate him, there's 364 00:18:17,546 --> 00:18:20,666 Speaker 1: something wrong. Strong words. Yeah, is a strong world. But 365 00:18:20,706 --> 00:18:23,706 Speaker 1: I get the energy he's coming from. He's like, dude, 366 00:18:23,706 --> 00:18:26,306 Speaker 1: this is my livelihood. I want to be the greatest, 367 00:18:26,666 --> 00:18:29,866 Speaker 1: And yeah, you're gonna have to take my job. You're 368 00:18:29,866 --> 00:18:31,146 Speaker 1: gonna have to have a level of hate for me 369 00:18:31,186 --> 00:18:33,346 Speaker 1: to take it. I think it's a good mentality to have, 370 00:18:33,386 --> 00:18:36,146 Speaker 1: especially when you're competing at the highest levels of the sport. Yeah, 371 00:18:36,186 --> 00:18:38,106 Speaker 1: that's like some a lot of big energy type of 372 00:18:38,386 --> 00:18:41,306 Speaker 1: type of there, like, you ain't taking my job, all right. 373 00:18:41,426 --> 00:18:45,306 Speaker 1: During his fourth first four seasons in San Francisco, Young 374 00:18:45,346 --> 00:18:48,346 Speaker 1: only started ten games, and he played in thirty five 375 00:18:48,626 --> 00:18:51,186 Speaker 1: And which is why I didn't know that either until 376 00:18:51,226 --> 00:18:54,226 Speaker 1: I got our notes. Played in thirty five. Bill Walsh 377 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,906 Speaker 1: actually tried to share that quarterback spot between those two guys. 378 00:18:56,986 --> 00:19:01,146 Speaker 1: Mons had to miss the entire season with an elbow injury. 379 00:19:01,226 --> 00:19:03,346 Speaker 1: So here we go. Here's your opportunity, Steve. You've got 380 00:19:03,346 --> 00:19:05,826 Speaker 1: to make the most of it. And guess what he it. 381 00:19:06,026 --> 00:19:08,906 Speaker 1: Because Montana never got that starting job back, Young proved 382 00:19:08,946 --> 00:19:11,546 Speaker 1: that he could do it. Montana. He gets traded to 383 00:19:11,946 --> 00:19:15,546 Speaker 1: Kansas City. You know, like dudes get traded and you 384 00:19:15,586 --> 00:19:17,946 Speaker 1: think about them in one uniform and then you see 385 00:19:18,026 --> 00:19:19,866 Speaker 1: him in another one. At least the color scheme is 386 00:19:19,906 --> 00:19:23,426 Speaker 1: like kind of close, but it's still weird to think 387 00:19:23,426 --> 00:19:24,866 Speaker 1: of him as a member of the Kansas City chi 388 00:19:25,026 --> 00:19:27,746 Speaker 1: it is and didn't he have Marcus Allen and that 389 00:19:27,786 --> 00:19:32,466 Speaker 1: team that was great and achieves uniform But I mean 390 00:19:32,786 --> 00:19:35,346 Speaker 1: he didn't. I think he did. Joe Montana did get 391 00:19:35,426 --> 00:19:37,266 Speaker 1: Kansas City to a playoff game. Now. I don't know 392 00:19:37,306 --> 00:19:39,466 Speaker 1: what's going on in between your ears, but your dome 393 00:19:39,506 --> 00:19:41,906 Speaker 1: has got some gems. You're right, like they did get 394 00:19:41,986 --> 00:19:45,026 Speaker 1: to the postseason. I think back to his time though 395 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:47,986 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I mean you talking about Super Bowls, 396 00:19:48,386 --> 00:19:50,706 Speaker 1: considered it. Like I said, he was Tom Brady before 397 00:19:50,786 --> 00:19:53,666 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. For a younger generation who might not be aware, 398 00:19:54,146 --> 00:19:56,666 Speaker 1: how does the franchise just say, hey, you were the dude, 399 00:19:56,746 --> 00:20:01,546 Speaker 1: you are the goat, goodbye, um again. I think the 400 00:20:01,586 --> 00:20:04,386 Speaker 1: decision makers have to have an allegiance and a I 401 00:20:04,426 --> 00:20:06,866 Speaker 1: don't know, like a promised to doing the right thing 402 00:20:06,946 --> 00:20:10,266 Speaker 1: for the organization. And there's no one player bigger than 403 00:20:10,346 --> 00:20:12,666 Speaker 1: the organization, and that includes the quarterback, no matter how 404 00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:15,306 Speaker 1: much success that you have had with them. Now when 405 00:20:15,386 --> 00:20:17,826 Speaker 1: you look at even in the Tom Brady situation with 406 00:20:17,906 --> 00:20:21,986 Speaker 1: Drew Bledsoe. I think when an injury comes and gives 407 00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:24,746 Speaker 1: the backup an opportunity to come show what he can do, 408 00:20:24,866 --> 00:20:28,946 Speaker 1: that's the that's the opening. Now it's on the Steve Young. 409 00:20:29,026 --> 00:20:31,546 Speaker 1: Now it's on the Matt Castle and Brady got hurt. 410 00:20:31,546 --> 00:20:35,066 Speaker 1: Now it's on the backups to show the team you 411 00:20:35,106 --> 00:20:37,306 Speaker 1: need to make a difficult decision. I think it's a 412 00:20:37,346 --> 00:20:41,746 Speaker 1: little bit easier in those situations. But in Joe Montana's 413 00:20:41,826 --> 00:20:45,466 Speaker 1: situation particularly, you gotta understand he was dealing with Bill 414 00:20:45,506 --> 00:20:48,706 Speaker 1: Walsh early in his career. They had a West Coast 415 00:20:48,706 --> 00:20:52,906 Speaker 1: system that now almost every offense in all of football 416 00:20:52,986 --> 00:20:56,986 Speaker 1: has principles from it. Okay, and so we gotta understand 417 00:20:56,986 --> 00:20:59,786 Speaker 1: the time in history when this quarterback change was happening, 418 00:21:00,106 --> 00:21:02,946 Speaker 1: new offense was hit in the field and winning. So 419 00:21:02,986 --> 00:21:05,786 Speaker 1: I think the organization, whether it's a new coach of 420 00:21:05,866 --> 00:21:08,106 Speaker 1: the organization, could look at this situation and say, well, 421 00:21:08,106 --> 00:21:10,986 Speaker 1: I think we can make the quarterback change because we 422 00:21:11,106 --> 00:21:14,386 Speaker 1: have a cutting edge system that can in situate the 423 00:21:14,546 --> 00:21:17,226 Speaker 1: qualities that a Steve Young head as m rob just 424 00:21:17,346 --> 00:21:21,506 Speaker 1: dropped the West Coast offense. If you're just joining NFL 425 00:21:21,546 --> 00:21:23,546 Speaker 1: explained and this is the first episode that you're listening to, 426 00:21:23,586 --> 00:21:25,226 Speaker 1: I do encourage you to go back, because we actually 427 00:21:25,226 --> 00:21:28,186 Speaker 1: have talked about the evolution of offenses in this season 428 00:21:28,346 --> 00:21:32,346 Speaker 1: of NFL explained the Niners, though it wasn't just that controversy, 429 00:21:32,386 --> 00:21:34,106 Speaker 1: because there's a present day one. And by the way, 430 00:21:34,306 --> 00:21:37,386 Speaker 1: this is my favorite quarterback controversy of all time. It 431 00:21:37,466 --> 00:21:40,266 Speaker 1: will always have a close place in my heart. It's 432 00:21:40,346 --> 00:21:43,346 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance because without the Niners moving 433 00:21:43,466 --> 00:21:45,426 Speaker 1: up in the draft to go third overall and Rob 434 00:21:45,666 --> 00:21:47,306 Speaker 1: I might not be sitting next to you right now. 435 00:21:47,426 --> 00:21:50,266 Speaker 1: That actually gave me some opportunities. That NFL Network happened 436 00:21:50,266 --> 00:21:52,146 Speaker 1: to be in the Bay Area. We can talk about 437 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:54,626 Speaker 1: that off there. But this one, to me is still 438 00:21:54,746 --> 00:21:57,746 Speaker 1: unfolding and playing out, and it does feel like a 439 00:21:57,786 --> 00:22:01,066 Speaker 1: little bit like a movie. The fact that Jimmy Garoppolo 440 00:22:01,386 --> 00:22:04,906 Speaker 1: is now starting for the San Francisco forty Niners given 441 00:22:04,906 --> 00:22:06,546 Speaker 1: the injury to trade that's the fact that he's even 442 00:22:06,546 --> 00:22:09,426 Speaker 1: on this roster is mind boggling to most people. It 443 00:22:09,546 --> 00:22:12,866 Speaker 1: is mind boggling, and it goes against, uh some of 444 00:22:12,866 --> 00:22:16,906 Speaker 1: the capitalistic um ideas in our society because it's always 445 00:22:16,946 --> 00:22:18,946 Speaker 1: more and more and more more, Jimmy took a pay 446 00:22:18,986 --> 00:22:21,866 Speaker 1: cut to stay on this day, a substantial pay cut 447 00:22:21,946 --> 00:22:24,506 Speaker 1: like this was no just oh, I'm making five hundred 448 00:22:24,506 --> 00:22:26,706 Speaker 1: thousand now making four hund No, he made. He took 449 00:22:26,706 --> 00:22:31,026 Speaker 1: a couple of millions off of his salary and he stayed. 450 00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:33,786 Speaker 1: And I think every time I talked to young quarterbacks, 451 00:22:34,106 --> 00:22:36,466 Speaker 1: you know, in lower levels of football, I'll always tell them, 452 00:22:36,466 --> 00:22:38,746 Speaker 1: look at it what Jimmy Garoppolo did. If you just 453 00:22:38,906 --> 00:22:42,026 Speaker 1: kind of sit and understand your situation, if you if 454 00:22:42,066 --> 00:22:45,906 Speaker 1: you're patient with yourself and believe in yourself, opportunities seemed 455 00:22:45,946 --> 00:22:48,826 Speaker 1: to come to y'all. Jimmy did was be himself. He 456 00:22:48,866 --> 00:22:51,066 Speaker 1: didn't complain through the off season as he was throwing 457 00:22:51,106 --> 00:22:52,946 Speaker 1: on the side and wasn't even really allowed to be 458 00:22:53,026 --> 00:22:55,066 Speaker 1: with the team. He didn't complain. He just said, you 459 00:22:55,066 --> 00:22:58,106 Speaker 1: know what, I'll be okay at some point. And what 460 00:22:58,186 --> 00:23:01,786 Speaker 1: happened was Trey Lance got hurt, opportunity came up, and 461 00:23:01,866 --> 00:23:03,786 Speaker 1: now he's in a position where he can kind of, 462 00:23:03,826 --> 00:23:06,586 Speaker 1: I don't know, provide a new spin in on this 463 00:23:06,626 --> 00:23:08,466 Speaker 1: part of his career, especially if he can get to 464 00:23:08,506 --> 00:23:10,266 Speaker 1: San Francisco for the honors over the hump. You know 465 00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:13,026 Speaker 1: it's wild because it does remind me of the conversations 466 00:23:13,026 --> 00:23:16,186 Speaker 1: which we weren't privy too, but Jimmy and Trey have 467 00:23:16,306 --> 00:23:20,346 Speaker 1: talked publicly about their dynamic. The more people you talked 468 00:23:20,346 --> 00:23:22,466 Speaker 1: to in that San Francisco forty Honors organization, the more 469 00:23:22,466 --> 00:23:24,346 Speaker 1: they'll tell you Jimmy is like the greatest dude ever 470 00:23:24,786 --> 00:23:27,146 Speaker 1: and that working relationship was good. And it reminds me 471 00:23:27,186 --> 00:23:28,546 Speaker 1: of what you said a few minutes ago here on 472 00:23:28,586 --> 00:23:31,466 Speaker 1: the podcast about having that line drawn like willing to 473 00:23:31,546 --> 00:23:33,906 Speaker 1: help and be that sponge, but at the same time 474 00:23:33,946 --> 00:23:36,146 Speaker 1: like it's it is a business. And then I think 475 00:23:36,226 --> 00:23:39,946 Speaker 1: Jimmy understands. Jimmy knew that they talked to Jimmy. Hey man, 476 00:23:39,946 --> 00:23:41,386 Speaker 1: we've been to go up and get this quarterback. You 477 00:23:41,426 --> 00:23:44,226 Speaker 1: know this is you ain't been that healthy every single year, 478 00:23:44,306 --> 00:23:46,866 Speaker 1: So this is what we're doing. And again understanding the 479 00:23:46,906 --> 00:23:50,066 Speaker 1: business of it. Sometimes I think players we get we 480 00:23:50,146 --> 00:23:52,826 Speaker 1: take business personal, and what ends up happening is that 481 00:23:52,906 --> 00:23:54,746 Speaker 1: gets us in our feelings and then it leads a 482 00:23:54,786 --> 00:23:57,066 Speaker 1: sour taste in our mouth. If you take business the 483 00:23:57,066 --> 00:23:59,466 Speaker 1: way it is, you'll be fine hard not to take 484 00:23:59,466 --> 00:24:02,266 Speaker 1: it personal, though, because the amount of time that you 485 00:24:02,386 --> 00:24:06,226 Speaker 1: invest in it to be great and to have success. 486 00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:10,466 Speaker 1: There's some other quarterback controversies, a couple for the old 487 00:24:10,506 --> 00:24:12,586 Speaker 1: heads out there Steelers and maybe some of the younger ones, 488 00:24:12,666 --> 00:24:14,986 Speaker 1: like I know who Terry Bradshaw is. I'll watch Fox 489 00:24:15,306 --> 00:24:18,626 Speaker 1: on Sundays. You're kidding me. Bradshaw was the starter. They 490 00:24:18,706 --> 00:24:24,066 Speaker 1: drafted Mark Malon overall in nineteen eighty the chiefs Alex Smith. Dude, 491 00:24:24,066 --> 00:24:27,266 Speaker 1: talk about that, dude, resiliency. My lord. Let's not forget. 492 00:24:27,306 --> 00:24:30,906 Speaker 1: They drafted Patrick Mahomes tenth overall in twenty seven team Uh, 493 00:24:30,946 --> 00:24:33,426 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Kurt Warner, he was drafted. It's my guy. 494 00:24:33,466 --> 00:24:36,546 Speaker 1: Matt Liner had tenth overall in two thousand and six. 495 00:24:36,746 --> 00:24:39,266 Speaker 1: How about this one, Eli Manning for the Giants the starter. 496 00:24:39,706 --> 00:24:46,906 Speaker 1: They drafted Daniel Jon six overall in the wrong. I 497 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,706 Speaker 1: just think they messed that up. They could have they 498 00:24:48,746 --> 00:24:51,066 Speaker 1: could have been a little bit more respectful to Don't 499 00:24:51,066 --> 00:24:53,506 Speaker 1: get me wrong, Eli wasn't playing the best of football, 500 00:24:53,546 --> 00:24:56,106 Speaker 1: But to pull him when that team just won't good 501 00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:59,506 Speaker 1: anyway for Gino and then say, oh I messed up, 502 00:24:59,586 --> 00:25:01,826 Speaker 1: let me put him back in. I mean, I just 503 00:25:01,866 --> 00:25:03,826 Speaker 1: think that was that was messed up. The dude had 504 00:25:03,826 --> 00:25:08,186 Speaker 1: two consecutive arts. I mean that was that's like a 505 00:25:08,186 --> 00:25:11,626 Speaker 1: big deal. That's a huge, huge in this league. And 506 00:25:11,746 --> 00:25:15,146 Speaker 1: you're right, I wasn't playing his best football like it 507 00:25:15,226 --> 00:25:18,826 Speaker 1: is what it is. Gino gets thrown in, ends the 508 00:25:18,906 --> 00:25:22,106 Speaker 1: consecutive starting streak. Ben Macao. By the way, who's the 509 00:25:22,146 --> 00:25:25,866 Speaker 1: coach at the time, Obviously no longer the head coach realized, Hey, like, 510 00:25:26,026 --> 00:25:28,306 Speaker 1: that's my bad. Is that like a gimmick though inside 511 00:25:28,346 --> 00:25:31,426 Speaker 1: the locker room to do something like that, Um, I 512 00:25:31,426 --> 00:25:34,666 Speaker 1: think guys understand that, especially if you're not playing well, 513 00:25:34,786 --> 00:25:37,746 Speaker 1: something has to be done to provide a spark. It gets, 514 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:39,706 Speaker 1: you know, I've been on some losing teams and it 515 00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:41,826 Speaker 1: gets to a point in the season where you can 516 00:25:41,826 --> 00:25:43,906 Speaker 1: see that the head guys under a little bit of 517 00:25:43,946 --> 00:25:46,186 Speaker 1: a you know, he's getting a little bit of pressure. 518 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:49,226 Speaker 1: We see press conferences, we see our coaches, we see 519 00:25:49,226 --> 00:25:51,426 Speaker 1: what they say, we see everything we see. We take 520 00:25:51,426 --> 00:25:53,306 Speaker 1: the message that they say in the media and we 521 00:25:53,386 --> 00:25:55,426 Speaker 1: compared to the message that they said to us in 522 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:57,946 Speaker 1: the team media, and we say, is this some b s? 523 00:25:58,306 --> 00:26:01,266 Speaker 1: Let me see what this dude is really about? So yeah, 524 00:26:01,426 --> 00:26:03,986 Speaker 1: we're looking at that type of stuff. But um, when 525 00:26:04,026 --> 00:26:05,906 Speaker 1: you're losing the way to New York, John's would lose him. 526 00:26:05,906 --> 00:26:07,426 Speaker 1: Back then, I think they needed a little bit of 527 00:26:07,426 --> 00:26:10,066 Speaker 1: a spark. I'm just not so sure Gino. Even though 528 00:26:10,106 --> 00:26:12,466 Speaker 1: Gino's bawling right now, back then, I'm not so sure 529 00:26:12,546 --> 00:26:14,546 Speaker 1: that Geno was the right spark. I'm with you because 530 00:26:14,786 --> 00:26:17,746 Speaker 1: being a New York Giants fan, there's that sentimental aspect 531 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:20,106 Speaker 1: of it, which I think was really hard for that 532 00:26:20,186 --> 00:26:23,106 Speaker 1: Giants community to to swallow. I think the fans still 533 00:26:23,146 --> 00:26:25,746 Speaker 1: wanted to see Eli out there even in some of 534 00:26:25,786 --> 00:26:28,786 Speaker 1: those struggles. You know what two yams uh. Alex Smith 535 00:26:28,826 --> 00:26:31,346 Speaker 1: was in another quarterback controversy with Karlin Kaepernick. He was 536 00:26:31,386 --> 00:26:34,466 Speaker 1: the second round, second, third round. People forget, but that 537 00:26:34,586 --> 00:26:37,946 Speaker 1: was a chance. I mean Alex was planning NFC championships 538 00:26:37,946 --> 00:26:39,786 Speaker 1: and things like that. Coach hap I was like, oh no, man, 539 00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:42,386 Speaker 1: I want this running guy out there. And they still 540 00:26:42,746 --> 00:26:44,786 Speaker 1: were successful and got to a super Bowl. Yeah. Alex 541 00:26:44,786 --> 00:26:47,546 Speaker 1: Smith's the story his is really incredible. We should dedicate 542 00:26:47,586 --> 00:26:51,466 Speaker 1: an episode just coming off of injury and figuring out 543 00:26:51,466 --> 00:26:53,426 Speaker 1: the way. Then he picks up the phone when I 544 00:26:53,586 --> 00:26:56,466 Speaker 1: call still we can we get him on the tip. 545 00:26:56,866 --> 00:26:59,746 Speaker 1: Can we do that? I'm a call. Let's do the call. Yeah, yeah, 546 00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:02,266 Speaker 1: let's when you do that. Please, let's let's face time. 547 00:27:02,906 --> 00:27:04,986 Speaker 1: Let's let's just say what's up in person? Him. Uh. 548 00:27:05,106 --> 00:27:07,866 Speaker 1: The Giants, by the way, that wasn't the only quarterback controversy. 549 00:27:07,946 --> 00:27:09,466 Speaker 1: They had a little young for this. But I do 550 00:27:09,546 --> 00:27:11,986 Speaker 1: remember my grandfather talking to me and having those car 551 00:27:12,106 --> 00:27:15,346 Speaker 1: rods talking about Phil Simms, Jeff Hostetler, who should be 552 00:27:15,426 --> 00:27:18,786 Speaker 1: the dude. Let's take you back here. Sims starting quarterback, Hostetler, 553 00:27:18,866 --> 00:27:21,266 Speaker 1: the backup when he was drafted in the third round 554 00:27:21,586 --> 00:27:24,706 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and he was there until the nineteen 555 00:27:24,866 --> 00:27:29,106 Speaker 1: nine season as a backup Hostetler. In that ninety campaign, 556 00:27:29,426 --> 00:27:31,666 Speaker 1: he takes over as a starter. Simms has got a 557 00:27:31,706 --> 00:27:35,106 Speaker 1: foot injury unexpectedly. And we'll use air quotes around that 558 00:27:35,146 --> 00:27:37,506 Speaker 1: because I think if you say that to a Giants fan, like, no, 559 00:27:37,666 --> 00:27:40,346 Speaker 1: hell no, man, we expected that Giants three playoff wins 560 00:27:40,386 --> 00:27:43,826 Speaker 1: and including a Super Bowl. Bill Parcel's head coach at 561 00:27:43,866 --> 00:27:47,786 Speaker 1: the time, retired after that ninety campaign. So the new 562 00:27:47,826 --> 00:27:51,146 Speaker 1: head coach is Ray Hanley to oversee this quarterback controversy. 563 00:27:51,146 --> 00:27:52,586 Speaker 1: Here you go right, like I'm gonna go out on 564 00:27:52,586 --> 00:27:55,506 Speaker 1: a high. You deal with this whole little deal. Hostetler 565 00:27:55,546 --> 00:28:00,786 Speaker 1: started in two, Sims was the backup. Hostetler signs with 566 00:28:00,826 --> 00:28:03,586 Speaker 1: the Raiders in free agency, Sims gets the starting role 567 00:28:03,626 --> 00:28:07,986 Speaker 1: back in nine three were airing before a Pro Bowling season. 568 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:09,746 Speaker 1: Not bad, right, Like the dude still goes out on 569 00:28:09,786 --> 00:28:12,666 Speaker 1: a high. Yeah, man, that's it's crazy because I'm remember 570 00:28:12,746 --> 00:28:15,186 Speaker 1: coach paturn on what depends day, Joe Paterno, the great 571 00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:19,026 Speaker 1: coach there, telling me I recruited Jeff Hostell. There's a 572 00:28:19,106 --> 00:28:24,346 Speaker 1: linebacker no one day. He didn't come yet. I said, 573 00:28:24,386 --> 00:28:28,026 Speaker 1: tell you, crazy man, we do you know the answer 574 00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:31,986 Speaker 1: to that one. So sometimes stuff like that happens when 575 00:28:32,026 --> 00:28:34,946 Speaker 1: you evaluate guys when and you're trying to recruit them. Um, 576 00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:37,826 Speaker 1: believe it or not. Actually, multiple quarterback changes that have 577 00:28:37,906 --> 00:28:41,226 Speaker 1: led to Super Bowl championship runs and the those quarterbacks 578 00:28:41,226 --> 00:28:43,626 Speaker 1: actually taking over the job the following season. So I'll 579 00:28:43,626 --> 00:28:46,106 Speaker 1: take you. In nineteen seventy one, I was negative ten 580 00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:50,106 Speaker 1: at the time. Dallas cowboyst in full blown quarterback controversy, 581 00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:54,626 Speaker 1: got Craig Morton and Roger star back. Morton started games one, three, five, 582 00:28:54,666 --> 00:28:56,666 Speaker 1: and seven. We's got like prime numbers. All of a 583 00:28:56,706 --> 00:28:59,546 Speaker 1: sudden stop, back goes to four and six. They both 584 00:28:59,546 --> 00:29:01,866 Speaker 1: threw passes in each of the first seven games. Like 585 00:29:02,146 --> 00:29:05,346 Speaker 1: what is going on here? November seven, My mom's birthday 586 00:29:05,426 --> 00:29:08,946 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one star back took over as the Cowboys 587 00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:13,466 Speaker 1: full time starting quarterback, finished the season undefeated before getting 588 00:29:13,466 --> 00:29:18,866 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. That's wild, man, that's because we're 589 00:29:19,026 --> 00:29:24,426 Speaker 1: that's the most fans don't like, not like shout out 590 00:29:24,466 --> 00:29:26,746 Speaker 1: to my mom. I got her birthday into an episode. 591 00:29:26,746 --> 00:29:28,626 Speaker 1: She's like, I don't even know she's listening. To make 592 00:29:28,626 --> 00:29:31,386 Speaker 1: sure she listens to this one. All right, Washington commanders, 593 00:29:31,386 --> 00:29:34,146 Speaker 1: how about this? Doug Williams takes over phrase struggling Jay 594 00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:37,786 Speaker 1: Schroeder in the team's final games, starting all three playoff games, 595 00:29:38,186 --> 00:29:40,946 Speaker 1: leading to a super Bowl victory. Williams Is super Bowl 596 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,786 Speaker 1: win led him to take over Washington starting job in 597 00:29:44,826 --> 00:29:47,586 Speaker 1: Schroeder was then traded to the Raiders week fourteen of 598 00:29:47,626 --> 00:29:52,906 Speaker 1: the seventeen season. This one has we know about this one? 599 00:29:52,946 --> 00:29:57,066 Speaker 1: This one's wild. Carson Wentz torn a c l Nick 600 00:29:57,106 --> 00:30:00,586 Speaker 1: Foles comes in folds leads the Eagles playoff win and 601 00:30:00,706 --> 00:30:04,186 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl win. Wentz comes back as Philadelphia started 602 00:30:04,186 --> 00:30:07,706 Speaker 1: the following year in team, Folds again has to replace 603 00:30:07,746 --> 00:30:10,826 Speaker 1: him because Once goes down with injuries and they actually 604 00:30:10,906 --> 00:30:13,306 Speaker 1: do get a victory in a playoff game, Folds is like, 605 00:30:13,306 --> 00:30:14,506 Speaker 1: you know what, Like, I don't know if I like 606 00:30:14,586 --> 00:30:16,986 Speaker 1: this whole back and fourth thing signs with the Jags 607 00:30:17,026 --> 00:30:21,346 Speaker 1: and free agency. Once remained the Eagle starter and a 608 00:30:21,346 --> 00:30:24,546 Speaker 1: couple of teams later not having a ton of success. Yeah, 609 00:30:24,586 --> 00:30:28,146 Speaker 1: I actually think, and I know that Nick Foles want 610 00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,146 Speaker 1: to go get some money, but I actually think, yeah, 611 00:30:31,706 --> 00:30:35,586 Speaker 1: why not? He played awesome. I actually think the Eagles 612 00:30:35,706 --> 00:30:37,746 Speaker 1: was like, we gotta get Nick Foles out of here 613 00:30:37,786 --> 00:30:39,626 Speaker 1: so we can get the best version across the France. 614 00:30:40,026 --> 00:30:42,426 Speaker 1: I think in some situations, and I know I'm talking 615 00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:44,666 Speaker 1: about Carson here, but I do think in some situations, 616 00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:48,986 Speaker 1: the competition forces guys to make stuff up. Like every 617 00:30:48,986 --> 00:30:51,426 Speaker 1: single big game I've been into, I've always had my 618 00:30:51,506 --> 00:30:53,986 Speaker 1: coach saying to the entire team, all right, guys, don't 619 00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:56,426 Speaker 1: make stuff up. Just do with your coach to do 620 00:30:56,786 --> 00:30:59,946 Speaker 1: because in big time situations, it's a human it's a 621 00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:02,346 Speaker 1: human thing to do to think. Oh man, it's a 622 00:31:02,386 --> 00:31:04,626 Speaker 1: bigger game. So I gotta be bigger than myself. No, 623 00:31:04,986 --> 00:31:07,266 Speaker 1: just do the just due to ordinary things a little 624 00:31:07,306 --> 00:31:11,266 Speaker 1: extra and usually get to your goals. Okay, there's one 625 00:31:11,306 --> 00:31:13,866 Speaker 1: other controversy that we have to get to. I promised 626 00:31:13,906 --> 00:31:15,786 Speaker 1: that we would get to TV twelve at the start 627 00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:18,186 Speaker 1: of the show. We're at the time you could talk 628 00:31:18,186 --> 00:31:20,466 Speaker 1: about TV E twelve because there's a generation of NFL 629 00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,386 Speaker 1: fans that are like, yeah, Tom Brady is the goat, 630 00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:25,506 Speaker 1: I get it. It just wins all these super Bowls. 631 00:31:25,746 --> 00:31:28,946 Speaker 1: This wasn't the path that most people would have anticipated 632 00:31:28,986 --> 00:31:31,266 Speaker 1: for him, especially if you know the back story. So 633 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:34,346 Speaker 1: we got that for you, Brady and Drew Bledsoe, who 634 00:31:34,346 --> 00:31:37,546 Speaker 1: by the way, makes terrific wines and the Washington Yeah 635 00:31:37,546 --> 00:31:40,746 Speaker 1: great cat talking about that on another episode played for 636 00:31:40,786 --> 00:31:42,626 Speaker 1: the Patriots. So I want to take you back two 637 00:31:42,666 --> 00:31:46,266 Speaker 1: thousand one. Bledsoe's knocked out of the game against the Jets. 638 00:31:46,346 --> 00:31:50,346 Speaker 1: Brady comes in, takes over our quarterback. Bledsoe suffered internal 639 00:31:50,386 --> 00:31:53,386 Speaker 1: bleeding because of the hit, never got a starting job back. 640 00:31:53,426 --> 00:31:56,546 Speaker 1: The dude signed a ten year, one hundred and three 641 00:31:56,626 --> 00:32:00,066 Speaker 1: million dollar contract the year prior. Belichick goes, you know what, 642 00:32:00,306 --> 00:32:03,026 Speaker 1: I'm going, Brady over a healthy Bledsoe at the point 643 00:32:03,346 --> 00:32:05,946 Speaker 1: of the a f C Championship camp. Eventually Tom takes 644 00:32:05,986 --> 00:32:08,346 Speaker 1: him to a super Bowl. This is what Bledsoe had 645 00:32:08,386 --> 00:32:10,426 Speaker 1: to say, And I think as a football fan, as 646 00:32:10,426 --> 00:32:13,626 Speaker 1: a human and rob, we can appreciate these comments. I 647 00:32:13,666 --> 00:32:16,826 Speaker 1: remember being excited for our guys, but at the same 648 00:32:16,866 --> 00:32:20,946 Speaker 1: time kind of internally disheartened, Like, man, I battled through 649 00:32:20,986 --> 00:32:22,626 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to get to this point, and 650 00:32:22,666 --> 00:32:25,266 Speaker 1: now we've arrived here and the other guy got to 651 00:32:25,346 --> 00:32:28,706 Speaker 1: play with that team. It was truly truly bitter sweet, 652 00:32:28,746 --> 00:32:30,826 Speaker 1: and with Tom it was bitter sweet. Love the guy, 653 00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:34,026 Speaker 1: but at the same time, that's my job he's got 654 00:32:34,626 --> 00:32:39,346 Speaker 1: and he's leading my team. Mha that it does. But 655 00:32:39,466 --> 00:32:43,066 Speaker 1: as a competitor, you understand the emotion. You get it. 656 00:32:43,506 --> 00:32:46,146 Speaker 1: You understand why it was a notion out there that 657 00:32:46,226 --> 00:32:49,386 Speaker 1: maybe Carson Wentz couldn't stand a guy right behind him 658 00:32:49,426 --> 00:32:51,146 Speaker 1: that one that super Bowl. And now you get to 659 00:32:51,146 --> 00:32:53,906 Speaker 1: go into that stadium and see a statue of Nick 660 00:32:53,946 --> 00:32:56,386 Speaker 1: Foles and you're the franchise quarterback. You got the money, 661 00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:58,466 Speaker 1: but you didn't get a Super Bowl MVPN. You get 662 00:32:58,506 --> 00:33:01,386 Speaker 1: to see a statue of the backup. I get it. 663 00:33:01,386 --> 00:33:04,026 Speaker 1: It's a human thing to feel that way. But again, 664 00:33:04,066 --> 00:33:06,106 Speaker 1: I've always been a role player most of time in 665 00:33:06,106 --> 00:33:08,146 Speaker 1: the National Football League. I was a star in college, 666 00:33:08,146 --> 00:33:10,946 Speaker 1: but in the league, I was a role player. And 667 00:33:11,266 --> 00:33:14,946 Speaker 1: I've always been able to find success when the team 668 00:33:14,986 --> 00:33:18,146 Speaker 1: has had success. When the team has has success, all 669 00:33:18,186 --> 00:33:21,066 Speaker 1: boats rise, everybody's value was a little bit better. And 670 00:33:21,106 --> 00:33:24,106 Speaker 1: so I've always stayed with the school of thought of 671 00:33:24,466 --> 00:33:27,146 Speaker 1: do what I can to make the team better. At 672 00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:31,226 Speaker 1: some point my value will be looked at it as 673 00:33:31,266 --> 00:33:33,306 Speaker 1: opposed to the big hole. You get what I'm saying 674 00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:35,426 Speaker 1: and what my value did to help the team win. 675 00:33:35,626 --> 00:33:38,346 Speaker 1: There's been a common theme on this podcast when you 676 00:33:38,466 --> 00:33:41,986 Speaker 1: talk about an NFL franchise as a business and business 677 00:33:41,986 --> 00:33:45,186 Speaker 1: decisions that are separate from the human element of all 678 00:33:45,226 --> 00:33:48,306 Speaker 1: of this stuff. But I do think about given to 679 00:33:48,346 --> 00:33:50,826 Speaker 1: due to ten year, one and three million dollar contract 680 00:33:50,986 --> 00:33:53,466 Speaker 1: in two thousand one. You don't give deals like two 681 00:33:53,466 --> 00:33:56,426 Speaker 1: guys who can't play or marginal players. Drew Blessed. It 682 00:33:56,466 --> 00:33:59,186 Speaker 1: was an absolute star who could thrive and play well. 683 00:33:59,186 --> 00:34:02,066 Speaker 1: I had a great college career at Washington State. I 684 00:34:02,066 --> 00:34:06,186 Speaker 1: think to myself, how difficult was that? I you kind 685 00:34:06,186 --> 00:34:08,746 Speaker 1: of look you highlighted right matterally got paid to like 686 00:34:09,186 --> 00:34:11,946 Speaker 1: sometimes like that is the worst thing for a front 687 00:34:12,026 --> 00:34:14,346 Speaker 1: office to have to make a decision like that. But 688 00:34:14,426 --> 00:34:16,786 Speaker 1: you gotta you know how well you and how we 689 00:34:16,826 --> 00:34:18,746 Speaker 1: talk off camera all the time, and I'm always about 690 00:34:19,026 --> 00:34:21,226 Speaker 1: no live in the past. Yeah, you can't look too 691 00:34:21,226 --> 00:34:23,586 Speaker 1: far in the future. You have to look at your 692 00:34:23,586 --> 00:34:28,026 Speaker 1: team and the circumstances that are going on right now. 693 00:34:28,626 --> 00:34:30,706 Speaker 1: And when you look at the Tom Brady and Drew 694 00:34:30,706 --> 00:34:35,506 Speaker 1: Bledso and Bill Belichick situation, that's all Coach Belichick was doing. Yes, 695 00:34:35,746 --> 00:34:38,826 Speaker 1: the analytics say and the numbers say, Drew bleds So 696 00:34:39,066 --> 00:34:41,266 Speaker 1: should be the starter, he's the better player. But at 697 00:34:41,266 --> 00:34:43,306 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Tom Brady and what your 698 00:34:43,346 --> 00:34:46,026 Speaker 1: eyes were seeing, what Bill belichick eyes were seeing, was 699 00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,986 Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was a better fit for this team. 700 00:34:48,186 --> 00:34:51,506 Speaker 1: I'm actually glad that you bring up bloed So because 701 00:34:51,906 --> 00:34:55,306 Speaker 1: and Brady. This is not the only quarterback controversy that's 702 00:34:55,386 --> 00:34:57,466 Speaker 1: out there. And I know, look, it's a heavy topic. 703 00:34:58,266 --> 00:35:00,946 Speaker 1: There's some other ones. Drew Breese certainly comes to mind. 704 00:35:00,946 --> 00:35:03,746 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like those are two real dudes. You are 705 00:35:04,106 --> 00:35:06,026 Speaker 1: on the short list of the great quarter acts over 706 00:35:06,106 --> 00:35:09,466 Speaker 1: the last fifteen thirty years. I promised, if you got 707 00:35:09,506 --> 00:35:11,466 Speaker 1: another question about some of those we've got you covered, 708 00:35:11,506 --> 00:35:13,346 Speaker 1: to slide into my d ms man. Maybe we'll squeeze 709 00:35:13,346 --> 00:35:17,186 Speaker 1: in a little bit more on quarterback controversies on another episode. 710 00:35:17,346 --> 00:35:19,866 Speaker 1: I always appreciate you guys listening. Follow us on social 711 00:35:19,906 --> 00:35:23,306 Speaker 1: media at Real mic rob At Mike Underscore, yam. That's 712 00:35:23,426 --> 00:35:25,426 Speaker 1: quarterback controversies explained