WEBVTT - X-Men '97 S2E08 "The Dead Man's Hand" 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.560 Warrant. Today's episode can take spoilers for X Men ninety 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.280 seven season two, episode eight, The dead Man's Hand be. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:28.320 One Ooh, Hello Jason and I'm Mersey Night and welcome 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.280 back to Extra Vision, the podcast where we dived you 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.560 your favorite shows, movies, comments and pop culture coming from 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.760 I Heeart Podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes of. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.720 Plast news on Saturdays. We are here at iHeart Podcast 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.720 where we will be bringing you those three episodes a week. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.479 Like Jason said in this episode, is X Men ninety 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.480 seven season two, penultimate episode, episode eight. Remember what happened 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.320 to the last of it episode guys, we saw some 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.680 shiny cards. They were pink. We knew it was coming back. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.880 It was sexy Dead Gambit and now he's back the 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.600 dead Man's Hand, Jason happened. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.679 Rogue is dreaming. She's having a beautiful dream about Gambit, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:11.199 but then the the the love, the warmth is ended 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.640 when she realizes it's actually a nightmare because it's about 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.440 Dead Gambit. She sees Death Gambit, one of the horsemen 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.480 of Apocalypse. The X Men are playing poker, which we love. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:27.280 When the I love that, it's just wonderful. It's the 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:28.520 stuff that we both love. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.040 Who do you think realistically is the best at poker 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.960 out of the X Men, Like just generally it doesn't 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:34.839 have to be out of this team. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:35.280 But just like I. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.680 Think he's played the most. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.280 He's played the most in his like heyday, like he 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.479 was a he was playing back when like the only 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.760 thing that you could do for recreation was he was 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:57.440 playing nothing. There's nothing else even Yeah, I was couldn't 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.080 even like play ball that. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:01:59.920 They didn't even happen. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.560 They hadn't made the wheel yet, I don't think so, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:03.680 it's like it was tough. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.920 I mean, we definitely didn't have Like you couldn't buy baseballs, right, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.359 you'd have to make a baseball. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.600 Yeah, you're making out of like a liver of a 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.760 cat or something. Anyway. Anyway, anyways, so they're playing poker. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:15.639 That's great, we love it. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.960 They're playing poker. Night Crawler gets the Dead the historical 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:25.280 dead man's hand while built hilk Hiccock's hand. H Meanwhile, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.280 Professor X checks on road. She's like, I'm okay, and 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.959 just in the island security system goes off. Jean scans 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:37.839 the object that's coming towards them, and she realizes it's 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.360 her son Cable along with Jubilee, and the rest of 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:46.560 this is his Black squad X Force. X Force is like, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.480 guess what you're never going to guess? Apocalypse is dead. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:56.920 They throw his desiccated corpse been out murder like, like, 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.359 we're going to prosecute the murder of Apocalypse. Is that 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:01.040 favorite guys? 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:02.160 Okay please? 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.320 Jubilee gives Rogue the kind of singed Queen of Heart's 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.640 card and obviously we realized that Gambit did this. Somehow, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.360 They give them the update about that Gambit is now 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.240 death Gambit, and their new plan is to sneak Rogue 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:25.359 in to Gambit's proximity and have her steel his powers 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.480 and thus kind of weaken him and also I guess 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.880 this would restore his soul somehow. Xavier agrees as long 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.160 as it's not an assassination, we're not just going to 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.440 go in and kill him. We're going to try and 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.960 resuscitate him and bring him back to full life. And 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.040 Rogue is really sad about this. Whole thing is bringing 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:50.120 up a lot of stuff for her. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.200 Jason, this might sound silly asking you this as you 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.000 were doing this recap and we're already at the beginning, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.600 I feel like any of this is happening a little 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:04.440 bit too fast. He's dead and now he's that gambit, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.040 but also a boocalypse is Dad? Remember that huge threat? 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.280 So like, is this how did this land for you? 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.840 Obviously we know, so it's kind of fun. We're rushing 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.480 through it, but as you speak on it and I 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.960 think about watching it, it does happen really quickly. Like 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:19.680 I think we. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.800 Need to put I think we need to put a 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.680 rule in where if you die, you're you have to 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.240 lay out for like a full season at least That's 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.400 what I was gonna say, at least one. At least 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.880 one a full other season. If you die in episode 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:39.239 five the next season, you are not even a hint, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.800 Like they can't even too much. It's too much. The 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.279 camera can go by like a family portrait, you know, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.520 the ex family, like on the wall, and then you 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.320 see that person there, but they can't even be hinted 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.000 that because I think I do agree with you it's 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.400 too soon, especially when you consider that we're just like 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.840 bringing upot It's clear that there's no apocalypses. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:06.239 He's not dead. It wouldn't make any sense at the right. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:13.800 Anyway, beast uses cerebra, right, upgraded cerebro, the adapted cerebro, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:20.120 post danger search, Yeah, the gender fluid cerebro. We can't 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.280 do anything about X men, but here we're going to 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:27.360 do something and they're searching for Gambit and they find 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.760 it sees Gambit, but Gambit can like look through the 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.039 connection and see Charles as well, and it's a very 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.680 very distressing. We go to the Bayou, the Thieves and assassins. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.720 The Thieves Guild is there, and this is do you 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.080 want to give people the backstory of gambits. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.039 Let's think about Gambit pre bat clue. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.479 Yeah, he was, as you might uh know, because of 0:05:55.520 --> 0:06:00.880 his little outfit and his little name, Remy Laboo. He 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.919 was a little master thief and he essentially created like 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.880 I would say, depending on the version, it can be 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.200 anything as small as like a Fagan style crew of 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.840 master thieves, but then there are versions of it whereas 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.159 essentially an international global society of like the smartest criminals 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.320 ever ever ever. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.599 And there is a there is a hint, much like 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:28.839 Assassin's creed, that this is like a ancient oh yeah, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.120 cot like like uh what would you call them, like 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.240 ancient organization. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.040 Yeah, it's essentially like essentially there are different guilds throughout 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:44.000 the different branches. So the Tokyo branches like allegedly was 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.800 something that had long happened until it got wiped out 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.040 by the Hand, and there was a New York branch 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.000 that was like right in from the eighteen hundred. So 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.919 it's kind of, I would say, almost like a John 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.600 Wick esque sort of reimagining of like a Mason's Brotherhood 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.880 but simply for thieves. And then you imagine the Assassin's 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.560 Guild is the same but for assassins, right, so we 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.080 need all these you know, black Cat she was a 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.559 guild member at times. It's New York one and stuff. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.320 So it's that there's a lot of intersections. So so 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.160 Gambit is is you know, we see these folks all meeting. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:25.760 They realize they've been lured there by Gambit, their old brethren. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.560 He tells them that after he died, the devil like 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.760 took his soul and he then turns them into his 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:42.160 Apocalypse powered thralls, and it's clear that like he's got 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.040 other plans, plans to do this to the X Men 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.640 as well. X Men and X Force arrive in New Orleans. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.760 They're looking around for a Gambit. Each is trying to 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:51.520 like avoid. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.800 Yeah, they're like the other by the Sentinel Ema like 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.600 it's it's very cat and mousey. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:07.600 One thing leads to another and Gambit's thrawled assassins now, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.680 you know, completely under the influence of Gambit attack the 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:19.600 X Men and a group including Robert and Belladonna. So 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:24.480 this is Gambit's brother and ex girlfriend or something, and 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.320 like you situation ship, yes, situationship. Definitely a femme fatale 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.280 in the Marvel universe. This is a lot like I 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.680 remember when Gambit's backstory started to get fleshed out, and 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.600 it was very much like when all of a sudden 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.480 with Scott Summers, you realized there was an out Summers 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.840 who he had powered, and then eventually you realize, oh wait, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.200 their dad is in space, and then there's a whole 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:50.640 brother in space. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.360 Yeah, and yeah, I mean Bella Donna as well. Like 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.680 in the comics, that's like Remy's bestie from childhood. That's 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.480 like his you know, Raven and Charles in the modern 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.720 X Men movies. That's kind of like they were thieves, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.280 but they were competitive, they were in love, you know, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.800 but also Interestingly, I'm not surprised we see this here 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.040 because actually I'd forgotten, but Bella Donna, she actually like 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.040 helps she has to get gambits, helped to fight the 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.920 Brood at some point, and we just saw the Brude. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.200 So timing wise, this is kind of like working out 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.440 And obviously these are just little nods, but definitely really 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.440 interesting because also I love the moment where it was 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.400 like they knew that they were completely kind of thralled 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.520 because Jean just can't hear anything, essentially like black holes, right, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.280 They're just like there's nothing there that shows like how 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.880 horrifically powerful this power is. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.400 So there's a while this fight between the X Men 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.400 and the thralled assassins is going on. Rogue and Gambit 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:53.839 finally have some one on one time, and you know, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.760 he's still very charming as the old Gambit was and poetic. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.200 He says to her, life does love does flash before 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:03.360 us when we die? 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:03.800 I'm on a me. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.280 When I died, all I saw was you moshe you 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:15.160 know that kind of whole kind of right, and it's like, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.440 you know, I she's you can tell this is really 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.480 hitting her, and then she's like takes a glove off. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.400 She's like, but I'm still an X man. I'm gonna 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.600 do the thing touches him, and it's the Jean Gray 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.000 not being able to read the minds should have been 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.920 the hint that this stuff's not working anymore. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.120 Because also, like, babe, Jean Gray is like one of 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.520 the most I mean, so is Rogue. But also like, yeah, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.680 I mean in the comics, Rogue is also being death 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.199 so this is a really interesting kind of moment anyway. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:47.600 So Rogue can't pull the powers out. Gambit expected this. Also, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.480 he puts her to sleep with some kind of touch 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.560 of his hand. Uh. Nightcrawler tries to do something, but 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.720 Gambit overpowers him as well and also thraws him. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.280 Gambit, yeah, either one that happens. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.480 I know, I didn't. I didn't either. Gambit and all 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:09.360 his thralls go off their merry way. Meanwhile, of course, 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.680 Cable is like, okay, well, we need to go after them, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.320 and this is not a rescue mission anymore. This is 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.880 like we got to kill everybody. The X Men at 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.319 the mansion see the news about the fight and more. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.400 Wolverine and Forge and Storm go out to go see 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.160 if they can do something about it. Road wakes up, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.360 she has not been thralled. Big mistake, question mark, question mark. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.560 I think this is Gambit. I mean death Gambit went 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.160 soft here. I gotta say as well, Jason, why are 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:40.840 you surprised? 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:42.880 Because when you know they're like, well, she's going to 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.880 restore his soul, but surely still has a bit of 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.240 the soul if he's like romanticizing her, like I don't know, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.280 all right, just saying like he's so horny through it 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.040 all the whatever happens, He's he's just gonna want huh, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.520 it doesn't not you know, I know. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.160 This is like a hint of the and we did. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.760 You know I criticized this show previously that I think 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.040 they are double too many double beats. And yeah, here 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.720 is one in which in which we saw a wolverine 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.760 still retain some like core of wolverine and it was 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.680 she's infected with the brood. And here I think you 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.679 could argue that Gambit not enthralling Rogue is a hint 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:20.760 that there's still. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.240 Like the good guy. Definitely, I think inside. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.800 She's she's Gambit. She's not sure if she should be 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.120 relieved or afraid that he's back. As Death Gambit tells 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.040 her the original story of Apocalypse fault. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:43.800 So outrageous, like thistable, This is so absurd. I'm just 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.600 like not listening to him anymore because this is not 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.480 you talking. This is like, like, what are you talking about? 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.679 This is crazy. Imagine if you, like you get back 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.400 together with your like the love who you lost, who 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.480 think we're like, oh my god, like I can't believe. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.640 I can't bel I'm seeing you again. And the first 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.839 thing they do is go, well, let me tell you 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.800 about my boss's first girl. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.679 Yeah, yes, well my boss is best golfriend one hundred 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.680 years ago, let me talk you about that, or in 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.120 this case, three thousand years ago. 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.280 Truly crazy. So he tells her, tells her about this person. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:21.240 It's Precist from ancient Egypt who broke his heart and 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.280 fled to the bayou with a with a fragment of 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.800 Apocalypse's power. And guess what she started the Thieves and 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:35.880 Assassin's Guild. Or she is like the main dsh around 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:43.839 whom crazy gambits families. The Thieves and Assassin Guild revolves 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.200 around this deity in some way anyway, She's got this 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.640 row like and it could make rogue immortal like him, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.560 but Gambit wants rogue basically to make the choice to. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:59.000 Do crazy things just like makes like no, honestly, none 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.880 of this makes any sense. It's like getting turned into 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.000 a courtman obviously adds your brain because it's a bad 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.000 fininal box. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:26.920 Let's take a quick break in the river back and 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.440 we're at Gambit and the Thralls begin the ritual to 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:39.760 summon Apocalypse's ex girlfriend, the External, the deity around around 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:46.480 which the Assassin's guild revolves. She pops in and the 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.520 media is immediately is like, remy, you don't you don't 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.920 smell right. There's something wrong with you. You're dumb. Is off, baby, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:15:00.160 you're different now. So she flips out attacks him, but 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:06.240 he's like easily, with very little effort kills her. Craftsman 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.040 and X Force arrive. Now you've got a big fight 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:14.600 with the Thralls. It's great action, all the action. I 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.160 always say it every single episode, but all the fights 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:17.520 are great. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.400 They've done a really good job with the consistency this season. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.880 I think it's not even just a few breakout moments, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.360 like this is going to be a series people go 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.680 back to watch because when you're reading a comic book. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.160 Sometimes you just think like, wow, imagine if that was real. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.120 That's what we always wanted for. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:31.800 This is it. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.960 But we get these moments right where it really feels like, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.000 oh my god, like you're seeing these greats. I mean, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.960 the external like crazy that's always been I'm like, I 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.040 want to do it. See him at least called externals, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.960 I know. And again quailed off immediately Ripiza. But yeah, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.560 just like so the action is really really great. And 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.640 this is another she had a good squence for five 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.080 thousand years. Yeah, I was going to be like at 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.560 least at least a few hundreds. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:02.360 Yeah. Uh, Professor X I oh wait. First, Gambit takes 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.640 the Externals gem that can imbue immortality and binds it 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.160 to Rogue. Professor X then tries to be like, Gambit, 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.680 don't do this, Like you don't want to do this. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.800 They have a battle on the astral plane, and you know, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.280 Exavier trying to talk reason too. Remy Lebau in the 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:31.000 astral plane. Now Apocalypse has taken the space that has 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:36.360 that Remy has left. He's there, he's talking shit to 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:42.240 Professor Oh yeah, nonsense. He then pulls Gambit into his 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.280 body and Professor X's mind begins to like just come apart. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.880 Then a light appears as Rogue reaches out to Remy. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.600 Because while this was happening. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.120 This Jason story is so see. I was going to say, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:03.880 you know, I feel like we maybe missed the trick. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.119 Maybe we'll do it for the finale, but I feel 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.960 like this is like you have an uncle at the 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.080 party who sits at the back. He just tells you 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.360 the craziest story that was my dad, Like the stories 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.800 that you could never believe because they had twenty different 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.200 layas in every different character you never remembered was coming back. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.800 That is, this episode is fucking hilarious. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.439 Right, So while this was happening, Rogue appears in the 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:35.280 astral plane somehow I'm not sure how the power of 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.320 other than the power of love, and she sees a 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:44.000 cleansed gambit in there. They the X Men at Cable 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.560 considers taking a shot at gambit at Cleansed Gambit, but 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.240 hesitates for fear of hitting Jean Gray. Xavier tells the 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.080 team that Apocalypse won't stay contained in Remy's consciousness for 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:00.840 much longer. They have to act or lose. To lose 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.560 the opportunity of saving Gambit from Apocalypse Forever and then 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:10.560 cable archangel Silock are ambushed by X Factor and agent 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.480 Val Cooper, and she tells them, guess what, guys, We're 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.200 not looking to arrest you this time. We want to 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.520 team up and take down this threat. Let's take a 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:42.399 quick break, crazy be back to talk about this crazy episode. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.240 I have to say, for all of our wild predictions, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.879 I don't know did we have a predict that we 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:55.280 would end the episode with like Remy as like a humanoid. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.000 We thought we might get multiple horsemen, but now it 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.520 seems like Remy is essentially going to be like a 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.960 human version, Like he's Apocalypse's consciousness is in there and 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.600 he's kind of the body. And that's where we leave it, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.960 which is just incredibly strange. And this episode went to 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.880 a lot of really crazy places. Jason, what was your 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.360 craziest part of the penultimate episode of season two. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.960 The craziest part was just like the complete media eras 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:28.400 no background introduction of Remy's extended family right, and the 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:34.280 fact that they're in a ancient assassin's thieves guild. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:39.040 Which is run by like a like preach run. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.840 By Apocalypse's ex girlfriend. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.600 Who's also a top sex girlfriend. I think because yes, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.480 like right so very stuff. Yes, yes so so the 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.879 thing is like, this is one of those kind of 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.679 classic deep poles because she's in the sixth episode of 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.160 the old series of season season two of the old 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.240 X Men animated series, like which is called X kind 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.879 of Yours. But it's like, who's gonna remember that? Like, 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.160 I feel I do feel like they could have gone 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:11.000 a little bit more accessible hit, but the babes and assassins, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.879 Gill and especially External because that's a crazy character, wed character, 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.399 a really weird character, and then they just got Do 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.199 you feel like maybe this is a bit of that 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.280 proof that they bit off a bit more than they 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.600 could chew or do you think yeah, I do feel 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.119 like they can fully land it in the finale. I 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.280 just feel like there's so much to do at this point. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.920 I kind of feel that at this point, with the 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:42.320 insane kind of lore drops that they are doing and 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.919 the velocity of them and the just sheer amount of 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.320 like story space that they are covering, that they can 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.600 they can almost do anything at this point because they've 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:57.640 been doing such They've been taking such crazy crazy swings. Yea, 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:02.520 I mean really we just get introduced so many concepts 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.879 in this episode, and listen, I'm loving. I do wonder 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.320 how people who aren't X men pilled are taking it. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.159 But like, I think there's so much here super produced. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.240 Aaron did put some great questions in our chat to 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:16.960 just kind of and I think this is a kind 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.399 of a good point, which is like, could this have 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.960 just been a if you just just focused on a 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:23.040 pall collipse. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.679 Let's bring let's bring eron in to explain his idea 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.280 for fixing the pacing. So you're fixing the pacing of 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.000 the episode, of the piecing of. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.720 The season, the whole season up till now. I would 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.480 say okay, because you know, I was a little bummed 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.320 we got gambit as death for nineteen minutes, Like we're 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.880 not even a full thing. Kind of he doesn't even 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.280 spend all of you're talking about like if you die, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.360 you should sit out one season. He doesn't even he's 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.200 not even death the entire episode here. He's you gotta 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.920 be a character for a full yes episode. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.320 If you're not yea, Like you can't get renamed if 0:21:58.320 --> 0:21:59.120 you're not in it for the. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.720 Whole We're not changing the name on your trailer mid 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:02.840 episode here. 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.560 I think, so that's a great idea as well. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.719 My pitch would be episode one through four, we really 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.719 are you know. I mean, this season started so strong, 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.240 I think with episodes one, two, and three, and we 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.280 get the split timeline and we don't really have anything 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:22.399 in the modern era except for the Jubilee episode and 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.080 X Force, which was great. I would have watched three 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.760 more episodes of X Force hunting down horsemen. So I 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:31.639 would have said, like, give us the first half of 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:36.399 the season. Magneto's attempting to train and sabaure and like 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.760 by the end of episode four, he kind of goes 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.760 into ship and he turns into Apocalypse, but that gives 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.440 us some more time with X Force, and then five 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.960 through eight is Apocalypse searching for new horsemen. I love 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:55.359 the horseman aspect of Apocalypse, Like that's one and and 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.160 like he kind of came back to the modern era 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.760 and got Gambit and didn't get the other three horsemen. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.000 And like I was wish casting who I would put 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.800 as a horseman. I mean, I think it has to 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.000 be people who have been in the last this season 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.080 or previous season. So I would just bring Omega Red back, 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.000 have him be Pestilence or something. I think, you know, 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.840 I think obviously saber Tooth could could take on a 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.560 role even though he was kind of a he wasn't 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.639 a good guy, but he was. 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.000 He's a fight yeah, he's been in that situation. 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.720 And then I'm not gonna say Magneto because we need 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.879 him to stay dead for a little bit. But I 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.600 do feel like we could have had some you know, 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.240 like in season one we get some good villains that 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.040 could have been brought back. I don't know, I think 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.440 you guys mentioned this on the you know, the Colossus 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.920 episode Exodus is too strong. You can't just like bring 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.760 him exactly as something. But we could definitely have some 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:58.040 other like Pyro and Avalanche, like bring them back or something. 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.000 And I loved five through eight to been that like assembly. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:03.960 I think the simple way to think about this, I 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:09.600