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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select and now your hosts Dane Brudler, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: and Brian brought us. Well, we're just inside a week,
Speaker 1: six days, six days, and this journey will, I don't know,
Speaker 1: come to an end. Start, We'll be in the start
Speaker 1: of the second day, right, everybody will feel real good
Speaker 1: about their first picks. Over everybody, everybody will. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's college recruiting. It's funny. I'm sick, so of course
Speaker 1: this week I watched last year's twenty fourteen NFL Draft
Speaker 1: to have it saved on my DVR. So while i'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm working, I'm doing work on the computer, I'm marching
Speaker 1: some tape. I've got last year's draft on the background,
Speaker 1: some background noise, and it's just funny how every pick
Speaker 1: there's so much excitement. So you know, when Johnny Manziel
Speaker 1: was picked Cleveland, oh my gosh, the perspective of a
Speaker 1: year later, it just kind of puts everything in in perspective.
Speaker 1: So it's just It's funny how that works. Do you
Speaker 1: find yourself? And that, by the way, folks, is the
Speaker 1: voice of Dane Burglar from CBS Sports. I'm Brian broad
Speaker 1: Us and Kent Garrison driving the boat today. No tiny
Speaker 1: gym today, tiny gym on assignment. So Dan and I
Speaker 1: are going to carry. But yeah, you know to go back,
Speaker 1: do you? You're one of those guys that and scouts
Speaker 1: have this problem that they once they do a draft,
Speaker 1: they forget about those players. You know. I know you
Speaker 1: went back your tow about Martin and guys, Bridgewater guys
Speaker 1: you have. But are you able to just separate immediately
Speaker 1: and say, okay, that's over, put it to bad or
Speaker 1: do you kind of follow along it's what happened. It's
Speaker 1: a little both because you have to part of being
Speaker 1: a scout, I think is scouting yourself self, evaluating what
Speaker 1: you missed on, what you got right, and so you
Speaker 1: can be a better scout and know, okay, well if
Speaker 1: I missed on we're all going to miss players, right,
Speaker 1: that's part of the business. It's all. But it's all
Speaker 1: about batting average, and so you go back and see
Speaker 1: who you missed. Last year. I did not have Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham ranked very high, and so I'm that's a player
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and say, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: why didn't I Why did I not have them ranked high?
Speaker 1: But then there's also players that I hit on, and
Speaker 1: so I make sure and address those players as well.
Speaker 1: What did I like about those players that maybe the
Speaker 1: NFL teams did not A player like Teddy Bridgewater my
Speaker 1: number one player last year. You know, teams scared off
Speaker 1: by the workout. Teams are scared off by his you know,
Speaker 1: skinny shoulders, that type of thing, small hands exactly. So
Speaker 1: it's something that you know, it's important to go back
Speaker 1: to past drafts and and really study and self evaluate
Speaker 1: yourself so you can be a better scout moving forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's funny. Every scouting department I've
Speaker 1: ever been involved with, and the majority of my days
Speaker 1: were spinning pro personnel. So I would always I would
Speaker 1: take those players from the draft and then now they
Speaker 1: became my guys for the next eight to ten years
Speaker 1: or so or less some case less. But I always
Speaker 1: found it funny the scouts when they went back the
Speaker 1: next year and maybe saw guys at training camp or whatever,
Speaker 1: didn't didn't have the complete understanding of the They're like, well,
Speaker 1: I like that guy, and I'm like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1: You know you had this guy, you know, and you
Speaker 1: show them their notes and stuff like that. It's funny
Speaker 1: how scouts just they take the draft, they use the draft,
Speaker 1: they do the draft, and then they move on to
Speaker 1: the next one. They just totally wash their brain. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to say, just hit their race button and
Speaker 1: just push everything out right. So, I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you about the evaluation part. I think that's really going
Speaker 1: to be important. And I think that it is we
Speaker 1: go forward in this and I know you do this
Speaker 1: when you do all your work, and I do the
Speaker 1: same thing. I like to compare guys, you know, I
Speaker 1: like to say this guy reminded me this guy last year,
Speaker 1: this guy two three years ago. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times scouts don't do that. They're just thinking about right now, USC, UCLA,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, right, you know, Florida Atlantic. That's all they're
Speaker 1: thinking about right now. They're not thinking about these kids
Speaker 1: going on and how they fit well. And player comparisons
Speaker 1: can be a little overrated at times, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to put you know, a square peg or
Speaker 1: you know, they want to force it. That's not it's
Speaker 1: not realistic sometimes, But I do think it's important because
Speaker 1: you look at, like I said, Johnny Manziel, you know,
Speaker 1: who does he compare to in the NFL? If there's
Speaker 1: not you know, we can't really point to someone in
Speaker 1: the NFL that has his size dimensions right his playing style? Well,
Speaker 1: is there a reason for that? Yeah, And and there's
Speaker 1: the reason Russell Wilson fell to the third round because
Speaker 1: the skills are off the charts. But how many NFL
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks are in the league that are five ten
Speaker 1: and a half? Right? There aren't any. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason for that. And so player like that fell. And
Speaker 1: there's an exception to every rule in Russell Wilson's one
Speaker 1: of those. But I think we're finding out Johnny Manziel
Speaker 1: probably not one of those exceptions. Well, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thought there. There's a couple of ways
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Speaker 1: the way to get a hold of us. We love
Speaker 1: to take your questions. This is a good opportunity, Dane,
Speaker 1: and I will be happy to do that and get
Speaker 1: the information to you. A lot of things going on
Speaker 1: this week, Dane, about injury, injury talk backs going up
Speaker 1: and down. You were in a discussion the interactions that
Speaker 1: you have with people on Twitter at DP Brugler is outstanding.
Speaker 1: You had some stories about a Jaye and his knee condition.
Speaker 1: I was able to get some information about that as well.
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about some of these guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's up and down boards guys, the
Speaker 1: boards are starting to be set. But some of those
Speaker 1: guys like a gi E and also a Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: you know, and things like that. And you know, but
Speaker 1: I'm with you on and I'll let you talk about
Speaker 1: what you've heard about a Ji and and he's been
Speaker 1: one of your favorite players exactly in this draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been a guy that you've championed all along, you're
Speaker 1: carrying the flag for him. I've carried the flag for
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman, who who himself has had his own his
Speaker 1: own toe injury problems but was able to work out.
Speaker 1: But go go through a little bit what you know
Speaker 1: about a Jaii and and and I'm tied it into
Speaker 1: the Cowboys thoughts here because of the need for a
Speaker 1: running back in this draft, and that to me takes
Speaker 1: a big piece out of that right this time of year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're you know, a week out, a couple of weeks out,
Speaker 1: and we start to hear about the injuries, start to
Speaker 1: hear about because obviously, you know, us outsiders, we can
Speaker 1: watch a tape and we can grade these guys based
Speaker 1: on talent what we see, but the medical information, some
Speaker 1: of the character stuff that starts to leak out throughout
Speaker 1: the process. And so with Jaya Jaii, something that teams,
Speaker 1: multiple teams have deinged him on the knee, they've read
Speaker 1: flagged it. And this isn't something where a surgery is
Speaker 1: going to help or he's going to be on the
Speaker 1: pup list to start the season. He's healthy to play
Speaker 1: right now. The question is longevity, right, And this is
Speaker 1: something that you know his agents trying to do some
Speaker 1: spin out there and try to, you know, make downplay it.
Speaker 1: But it's something that teams are concerned about. And he's
Speaker 1: not gonna go and drafted, but he could slip farther
Speaker 1: than he should be drafted in the first place. He's
Speaker 1: to me, he's a top forty, top fifty pick, but
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance he might slip to
Speaker 1: the end of second round, maybe into that third round,
Speaker 1: maybe into the fourth round. We'll have to see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. But teams are concerned. I know one
Speaker 1: team that just failed. They filled him on his physical
Speaker 1: completely right. Other teams it's just more of a concern um.
Speaker 1: And so it'll be interesting see how it plays out. Now,
Speaker 1: there could be a team that says, you know what,
Speaker 1: we are going to take the chance that you know,
Speaker 1: it's bone on bone right now that need there's no
Speaker 1: not much cartilage, no way to fix it exactly. He
Speaker 1: could play one game, he could play five years. We
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, we'll take a Chaemiah Trotter. It was
Speaker 1: my experience in Philadelphia the ninety eight draft, uh bone
Speaker 1: on bone Trotter out of Stephen F. Austin. Doctor told me,
Speaker 1: Brian ten games or ten years, you don't know, so,
Speaker 1: but that's the chance you take, right exactly. And so
Speaker 1: he we could see a team in the second round
Speaker 1: take a chance and say we'll take a chance that
Speaker 1: he'll he'll make it through his rookie contract. See that's
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point because I'm looking at a team
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys who is not interested so much, and
Speaker 1: maybe that second year contract of a running back, right,
Speaker 1: you know, why not just say, okay, we're gonna use
Speaker 1: him up for the four years and then if if
Speaker 1: it's fine, well, you know, maybe we'll do something. But
Speaker 1: if not, we'll just draft another guy. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are of a similar thinking when
Speaker 1: it comes to these backs. But when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a second round player, and then when with a GI,
Speaker 1: it comes on the value. What's his draft value? And
Speaker 1: so I think we're talking more third fourth round in
Speaker 1: terms of his value and instead of the second round,
Speaker 1: which is Tape says, and so I could he still
Speaker 1: go second round? Shure, it's possible if a team says,
Speaker 1: you know what, we'll take that chance. But there are concerns.
Speaker 1: It's something that teams are talking about and I know
Speaker 1: Mike Mike Mayock talked about it yesterday as something you know,
Speaker 1: he confirmed he's talked to teams. They they're worried about
Speaker 1: the need to I talked to this bunch here there
Speaker 1: there there there is concerned. And so at sixty if
Speaker 1: he's on the board, not so much of a slam
Speaker 1: dunk that we thought about maybe a month ago for
Speaker 1: JGII there and you know, we didn't think he would
Speaker 1: make it to sixty. But even if he does, now
Speaker 1: there might be a better back on the board. They
Speaker 1: focus on another player defensive end again a need for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are looking at Shane Ray being that type
Speaker 1: of a player though. Went saw a specialist really calling
Speaker 1: kind of turf toe, maybe a very aggressive form of
Speaker 1: turf toe. Um. A lot of teams had him initially
Speaker 1: as a top ten type of a player, right. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to hear things about him sliding down the
Speaker 1: board because of the surgery or are they teams thought
Speaker 1: that he might need surgery, but he's gone out and
Speaker 1: the doctor said no rest. Yeah. I think this is
Speaker 1: something though that's always going to hamper him though, well,
Speaker 1: especially in that position. Yeah, exactly, that's it. His best
Speaker 1: trait to me is his first step. Absolutely, it's one
Speaker 1: of the best first steps, if not the best first
Speaker 1: step in this class. But when you're talking about that,
Speaker 1: that toe, traditionally it's an injury that that plays guys
Speaker 1: for years. It does not just go away. And I know,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it before. How a toe
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal,
Speaker 1: but it is. It's something that hampers guys. And so
Speaker 1: again talking about value, where do you take a chance
Speaker 1: on this guy? And this is where it gets it
Speaker 1: gets muddy. Where do you take a chance on Shane
Speaker 1: Ray if he's there at twenty seven? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: is is that possible? You can't rule it out? Well,
Speaker 1: it's injurious. It sounds like to me listen to people
Speaker 1: talk about Ray that it's split when but you know,
Speaker 1: still a first round talent might slide through. I want
Speaker 1: to get into we've we've got We've talked about two
Speaker 1: thumbs up for Gurley, which means he'll probably be where
Speaker 1: what we thought. But let me talk about a boohee
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Texas A and M And I'm
Speaker 1: starting to hear some whispers I know You've talked to
Speaker 1: some people as well, did have him pretty high on
Speaker 1: some draft boards. Is what is it gonna be a
Speaker 1: pup situation for him or is this something that you
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna be a total red shirt year
Speaker 1: that you might have to take a guy in the
Speaker 1: first round and red shirt and for a year towards
Speaker 1: a scl in the ball game. So about a month
Speaker 1: difference from Gurley. But we're also talking about a player
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, a little more weight on them, yea.
Speaker 1: And these knees are all different, you know, two knees
Speaker 1: are the same. But I think where it's more towards
Speaker 1: a pupe situation rather than having to miss the entire
Speaker 1: rookie year. And that's why I think we're talking about
Speaker 1: him being a possible first round player. Yeah, and based
Speaker 1: on talent, maybe top ten player right into his draft,
Speaker 1: A player that below the waist, his feet are outstanding, right.
Speaker 1: You love the flexibility lower body, the fluidity upper body.
Speaker 1: Needs some work. His technique with his hands, his punch
Speaker 1: needs a lot of work there, but you know coaches
Speaker 1: will love to get their hands on him because he
Speaker 1: has the traits that you can't teach. Now that's the feet,
Speaker 1: that's the lower body fluidity to mirror rushers. And so
Speaker 1: late first round, that's what I'm saying now. I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you this question though, with what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have done, right, would a booy be a guy
Speaker 1: that you knew you could red shirt and play in
Speaker 1: place of Doug Free in the coming years or something
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I mean the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: million eads. And again, the draft show always trying to
Speaker 1: encompass all possibilities, not going to sit there and tell
Speaker 1: you have to take a running back, you have to
Speaker 1: take a ryanbacker, you have to take a defensive in.
Speaker 1: You have to keep an open mind about this, right,
Speaker 1: And you said late one, And I wonder if the
Speaker 1: scouts and the coaches feel feel well enough about him. Again,
Speaker 1: there's some teams at the bottom of the first round,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm starting to hear whispers on, much like
Speaker 1: you are. And I wonder if some teams are going
Speaker 1: to say the talent is too good to pass up
Speaker 1: there with other needs on the board, right, But but
Speaker 1: he's just that talent of a player. And again, picking
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, there's a good chance you're going to
Speaker 1: be getting a second round player or your first round
Speaker 1: options are wiped out right, and so depending on who's
Speaker 1: on the board. Absolutely, we could envision a scenario where
Speaker 1: a boy he's the top talent on the Cowboys board.
Speaker 1: That's certainly conceivable. So in that situation, we know what
Speaker 1: they've done to address the offensive line in the first round,
Speaker 1: could they do it again for the future in mind? Exactly,
Speaker 1: because that's what you have to have, the future in mind.
Speaker 1: With the hearty stuff coming down this week, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are saying, well, now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the strategy shifts. That's not that's not the case exactly,
Speaker 1: and you don't draft your top need is not your
Speaker 1: first round pick. Right your first round pick, you get
Speaker 1: the best talent available. See who falls? Do you play
Speaker 1: the draft board and you just can't rule out a
Speaker 1: talent like that aggie tackle. Yeah, well, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that if they start sliding down the board,
Speaker 1: and Gregory being one of those. But that's off field
Speaker 1: and stuff. Okay, Ken't has got some calls lined up.
Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and take a call or two, can't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to you to grab those
Speaker 1: calls right before we go to our break. So go ahead, sure,
Speaker 1: Mark and Mission Texas. Mark, We're doing great. What's your question.
Speaker 1: I've been going guys. Drafts is awesome, Thank you. I know,
Speaker 1: draft coming up week away exciting. But I was wondering,
Speaker 1: with all the hardy prospection and stuff, is there any
Speaker 1: free agents up there, decent events that can come in
Speaker 1: sort of like Mensie did a year ago. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: along the lines like Big Klan Powers or somebody like that.
Speaker 1: Oh listen, I'll hang up and listen. Jo. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think you know, you gotta be real careful. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to some of the pro guys about this.
Speaker 1: With the Cowboys, They've got three compensatory picks right now,
Speaker 1: and the plan, like you said earlier, it was to
Speaker 1: draft a guy. I think they're still going to draft. Agree.
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to mess up their compensatory
Speaker 1: things by bringing somebody in that might or might not
Speaker 1: make this team, right. I don't see right now unless
Speaker 1: somebody has a June one cut or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, that to bring. And I think they're focusing
Speaker 1: on the draft, whether that is. You know, we we
Speaker 1: were one of the first ones to talk about Frank Clark.
Speaker 1: I mean he's had this meteoror like rise through the
Speaker 1: up the draft boards because people are now figuring out
Speaker 1: second round talent. For sure, where do you take him?
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are more interested in saying we're
Speaker 1: willing to go and draft somebody, then we will to
Speaker 1: go out and get a veteran guy. Right now. I
Speaker 1: think you nailed it with the June first. I think
Speaker 1: you wait and see what happens, that maybe something something
Speaker 1: happens there where you can go and get a player.
Speaker 1: But who's available right now? I just don't see a
Speaker 1: player that's gonna is worth going out and getting. I
Speaker 1: think you're right about sticking to the draft. A guy
Speaker 1: like Frank Clark a third, fourth round, right you know,
Speaker 1: we know we've talked about his issues. To me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure where personally I would feel comfortable
Speaker 1: drafting him because there are the issues. But talent wise,
Speaker 1: you are talking about a second round talent, a guy
Speaker 1: that he beats up blockers with his hands and he
Speaker 1: disrupts what happens in the pocket. So you have a
Speaker 1: good player who you could get at a discounted price,
Speaker 1: but there is a reason for that discount and so
Speaker 1: it's there is a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: worry there, but still a good player that if you
Speaker 1: can get in the third fourth round, Yeah, makes some sense.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have really done their due diligence
Speaker 1: on this player with visits, workouts. They're getting to know
Speaker 1: this player. And I had a I thought the fourth
Speaker 1: round was always kind of a round, and I used
Speaker 1: to call it the criminal and medical round. You know,
Speaker 1: where you a gye where Frank Clark, those kind of
Speaker 1: guy that that was back in the day. I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take this kid a lot earlier,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised at ninety one depending on
Speaker 1: the way the draft fell. If you don't get a
Speaker 1: first round defensive end, whether that's Gregory Oh, somebody slides
Speaker 1: down the board to get to them a defensive then
Speaker 1: their plans have not changed one bit as far as
Speaker 1: they're going to get a defensive end. But again, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be drafted a guy and not
Speaker 1: going out free agency. Agree, All right, kitt, do we
Speaker 1: have another call? Yeah? We got Shane and Washington. Shane,
Speaker 1: you're on the Draft show. Yeah? Hi? So anyway, I
Speaker 1: was wondering Abdullah the running back from the Brown guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's probably not worthy the second round pick, sure,
Speaker 1: but do you feel that that's maybe where we might
Speaker 1: have to take him if he's available. I know he's
Speaker 1: got fumbling issues and durability might be an issue with him,
Speaker 1: but again, do you feel he's worthy of a second
Speaker 1: round pick? I just stopt see him there for the
Speaker 1: third round. And my second quick question is how does
Speaker 1: Ray from Fort Worth get on all the time? Does
Speaker 1: you have like a special hotline? Thank you? Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you because he calls all the time. Yeah, Ray, Rays
Speaker 1: would our good callers, So thank you very much. A call, Okay,
Speaker 1: a dress address? Abdula, I mean, we've got some smart
Speaker 1: callers because I think he nailed it with probably a
Speaker 1: third round player. But yeah, in this late second round
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, running backs might be wiped out. We'll
Speaker 1: see what you know, Duke Johnson, Tevin Coleman, you know
Speaker 1: these guys that right, they might be wiped out. So
Speaker 1: at that point in the draft, you might have to
Speaker 1: take an Abdula in the lad second round. He might
Speaker 1: not only be one of the better players available, but
Speaker 1: he might he obviously fits a need of running back
Speaker 1: with a duela. There's so much to love about him.
Speaker 1: He's so quick and he's he's not only quick with
Speaker 1: his movements, but he's quick thinking. He reminds me of
Speaker 1: a chess player where he's two moves ahead of you
Speaker 1: in terms of beating the defenders. So he can contribute
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher. I really worry about him in
Speaker 1: pass pro. That's a that's an area where I don't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with him contributing, especially early in his career
Speaker 1: going up against some of the pass rushers in this league.
Speaker 1: But in the late second round, absolutely, I think you
Speaker 1: cannot rule him out as an option. Okay, well, that's
Speaker 1: good questions, and thank you very much for those early calls.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get some more calls later in the show.
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Speaker 1: we're gonna dedicate that show to the seven round mock draft.
Speaker 1: So a lot of you out there have asked if
Speaker 1: we would do a mock draft the seven rounds. I
Speaker 1: figure the best time to do a mock draft is
Speaker 1: right before the actual draft itself, So all hands on deck,
Speaker 1: be ready for ups and downs. Players there, players not,
Speaker 1: their decisions to be made, trade charts all different, yeah,
Speaker 1: so many different scenarios. And now that we know who's healthy,
Speaker 1: who's not healthy, where guys sit on boards, it will
Speaker 1: be a lot easier for us to have a really
Speaker 1: good mock draft. So look forward to that. On next
Speaker 1: Wednesday at eleven am Central Time. So with all that
Speaker 1: being said, with no tiny gym here today, I'm going
Speaker 1: to turn the show over to Kent. Garrison and Kent
Speaker 1: give it to us. Yeah, we are gonna take one
Speaker 1: call before we hit Twitter on the twenty Hare Chandler
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Chandler, We're doing great. What's your question, sir? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have two quick questions, guys. First off, I keep
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of mocks. They mocked the two cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: one from LSU from one from Yukon, Collins and Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well the Yukon kids seems a lot like just
Speaker 1: a workout warrior to me, because you didn't hear about
Speaker 1: him the entire college football season, and then he just
Speaker 1: blows up the combine, So that worries me. And then
Speaker 1: this LSU guy, he has like four starts in his career.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm exaggerating a little ten, Yeah, but so
Speaker 1: how in the world are you gonna expect ten to
Speaker 1: go from from ten starts, you know, in college and
Speaker 1: then be a decent foe. And then my second question is,
Speaker 1: I know it might seem crazy, but what do you
Speaker 1: think the trade value would be for Dez Bryant Because
Speaker 1: he's a little disgruntled. He wants a new contract. We're
Speaker 1: not really sure if we're gonna pay him the bookoos
Speaker 1: and money they won. So let's say Jacksonville called with
Speaker 1: the third pick, or or Oakland with the fourth, and
Speaker 1: they said, hey, we'll give you this year's four, this
Speaker 1: year's three, and we'll give you next year's one and
Speaker 1: two or something like that. You think that will entice
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because then they could get a March Cooper
Speaker 1: and then they'd have a pick next year and be
Speaker 1: really set up really well to get whoever they want
Speaker 1: to get next year. So those are my questions. I'll
Speaker 1: get off the phone things after taking my call. I'm
Speaker 1: not trading Dez Bryant. I don't care what a team
Speaker 1: offers me and give you multiple first round picks. I'm
Speaker 1: figuring figuring out a way. I like the outside the
Speaker 1: box thing. I mean, you know, it's one thing, guys,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that call because a lot of
Speaker 1: people tell you, well, just trade car just trade I
Speaker 1: mean he's thinking about you're taking a more key player
Speaker 1: and you're trying to maximize the value of the player, right,
Speaker 1: And if you're the Cowboys, you're in win now mode.
Speaker 1: You know, as much as you want to build for
Speaker 1: the future as well, you also have to keep in
Speaker 1: mind how many years as Romo have left. You don't
Speaker 1: have that quarterback of the future set up. You don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen three years from now. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to win these next two years. And the best
Speaker 1: chance of winning these next two years is having Does
Speaker 1: Briant on my roster and you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: fill this team with as much talent as possible, but
Speaker 1: keeping the mark key players like you just said, on
Speaker 1: the roster. So if you were to make the trade,
Speaker 1: who would you take at three? Would you take? Was that?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that Fowler? I mean that helps your
Speaker 1: defensive end spot? And is that is that the route?
Speaker 1: Or is you take with Leonard Williams be an undertackle? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. I think he's the best player in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler's right there. I mean, he's see I had
Speaker 1: Tennessee take and I don't know why. I just thought
Speaker 1: Tennessee was gonna take Williams. Sarah. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I said I would sure, But I mean, if you
Speaker 1: if you did have the third pick. If you you
Speaker 1: would take Fowler, I would lean towards Leonard Williams get
Speaker 1: that undertackle. Yeah, I think I think he He's not Sue,
Speaker 1: but he has some special traits for such a player
Speaker 1: that's twenty years old. He I think, I really believe
Speaker 1: he's going to get better and better and better. So
Speaker 1: and I love Fowler is one of my favorite players
Speaker 1: in this draft. But I think, did you grab a
Speaker 1: receiver at twenty seven? Are you gonna take there? I
Speaker 1: mean you could look at you know, Jalen Strong, Uh,
Speaker 1: Philip doors Set Uh, Perryman. Yeah, guys that are nice
Speaker 1: players that could have a place in this team. Beckham,
Speaker 1: is he worth the worth it right there? Well, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm talking about a guy that's potentially
Speaker 1: late one right. Yeah, No, he'll be in that mix.
Speaker 1: Um Me, personally, I'm not doing it. I'm training for No,
Speaker 1: I'm not give me des Briant a known commodity. Where again,
Speaker 1: we have a two year window here where I think
Speaker 1: we have a really good shot at going to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, And so I'm going to surround my team
Speaker 1: with as much town as possible. And now you're gonna
Speaker 1: ride and that's and that's I think that's the right
Speaker 1: thing too. But again it's an outside the box thought. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: and it's maximizing the best. Do you think that Jacksonville
Speaker 1: might be bad again next year? Sure? And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you got another early one. I'm all
Speaker 1: for draft picks, but yeah, yeah, that'd be proud of
Speaker 1: you for not trading out of there. And by his
Speaker 1: original question, uh, Jalen Collins Byron Jones, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's absolutely correct about Jalen Collins. I do two about Collins.
Speaker 1: I'm an LSU guy player starts in his career. He agreed.
Speaker 1: He they gave a chance to start, pulled him off
Speaker 1: that game. Another shot pulled him off the field. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of inconsistency both technique discipline. But when you're
Speaker 1: you know, six one and a half, you can move
Speaker 1: like he does. Teams are gonna like those traits and
Speaker 1: take you early. But you can't rule him out at
Speaker 1: twenty seven, depending on how the cornerbacks go. Um and
Speaker 1: then Byron Jones, I get why people say the workout
Speaker 1: warrior stuff, but his shoulder would have played a lot more.
Speaker 1: He missed half the season. Yeah, almost all the yeah
Speaker 1: in October and we missed the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Has shoulder surgery. He was an invite to the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: couldn't participate the shoulder, and he played on a terrible
Speaker 1: team at Ukon. And if he was at you know,
Speaker 1: Florida State and he got hurt, we still would have
Speaker 1: heard about him. Or I mean we knew about him,
Speaker 1: we just didn't. He's not a name that you know,
Speaker 1: popped up a lot in conversation, but Byron Jones much
Speaker 1: more than a workout warrior. His tape absolutely backs up
Speaker 1: what he shows. He's a he's a second round player,
Speaker 1: maybe a late first who's who probably gonna be somewhere
Speaker 1: in those twenties. See, that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Fans are catching up to what the scouts knew. Right,
Speaker 1: we always had that the scouts have an idea that
Speaker 1: Jones was a first round player. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now the scout of the media scouting world is now
Speaker 1: catching up to the player. Okay, KNT, you got it.
Speaker 1: Go Twitter. Okay, we got clothes here. Not really, it's
Speaker 1: more like Twitter on the thirty. So go ahead, get
Speaker 1: We're gonna be a lot of questions about these about
Speaker 1: these cornerbacks. Uh, this comes from Ken Green is off
Speaker 1: the field issues the only reason Kevin Johnson is ahead
Speaker 1: of Marcus Peters. I think Peters is a better playmaker.
Speaker 1: You like Peters a lot, though, I do like Peters
Speaker 1: a lot, and if if you say he was, you know,
Speaker 1: the perfect teammate, I think he'd be competing with Wayne's
Speaker 1: for that top spot in this cornerback class. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: just a I love the the attitude that he brings
Speaker 1: on the field, he just can't really shake it off
Speaker 1: of the field, and so, um, he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: on every draft board. But um, you know, in my rankings,
Speaker 1: I have Wayne's, Kevin Johnson, and then Peter's third. So
Speaker 1: to me, if it's not for the issues, Peter's probably
Speaker 1: above Johnson. But Johnson's a good player who I'd love
Speaker 1: having there at them. I think there's some people that
Speaker 1: might even like Johnson better than Wayne. I mean, you're starting,
Speaker 1: you're starting to hear that. So yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: To me, Peters is a guy, and you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: a lot of draft boards won't have him. Mean, you
Speaker 1: got two different sets of coaches at two different programs, exactly.
Speaker 1: Still talking about we talked about that back in anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was something. So yeah, I think that he's
Speaker 1: a very talented football player. But in my book, Johnson's two,
Speaker 1: Peterson's and Peters you know, you like him better probably
Speaker 1: in press. I mean that's absolutely that's what he does best.
Speaker 1: Not not so much an off man, but with Kevin Johnson,
Speaker 1: he's shown he can do both. He can do both,
Speaker 1: man zone, whatever you want to do, you can do
Speaker 1: it all. Absolutely. This is from Addison. If Buddupree falls
Speaker 1: between fifteen and eighteen, like some mocks have him, would
Speaker 1: we trade up at that point to go get Budd debris?
Speaker 1: All right, we're talking about having to trade up to
Speaker 1: get into fifteen. In between fifteen and eighteen, you have
Speaker 1: to give your second. Yeah, we've done that before. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the two and the five going to Houston,
Speaker 1: and we've done that before with the the Gurly trade
Speaker 1: is what we've done. So once again, Cowboys sitting at
Speaker 1: six hundred and ten points, Houston sitting at eight hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy, you're gonna make up those points right there.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a two and to five. So if
Speaker 1: you want to go. You know, I I think Gurley
Speaker 1: would be the only guy that I would trade up for.
Speaker 1: And I might consider trading up for one of the corners,
Speaker 1: one of the top two corners if that was the case.
Speaker 1: But I think that the sitting there for just waiting.
Speaker 1: Let bud Dupree. If he's there, great, If not, you know,
Speaker 1: move on. I'm with you. If girls, if Girly slips
Speaker 1: a little bit, he's in there in the mid first Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to have that conversation, right, you need to
Speaker 1: talk about is it worth to move up? And right
Speaker 1: it might be worth it. Yeah, girls, that special. I
Speaker 1: just have a feeling. And there's some teams that might
Speaker 1: have Gregory over Dupree on their board, you know, so
Speaker 1: the one that starts sliding might be great. I'm taking
Speaker 1: a chance that Gregory's gonna slide. Now if he gets
Speaker 1: past New Orleans those people at thirteen. You know, now
Speaker 1: you're starting and see I you know that that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little interesting to me once he gets past
Speaker 1: a top fifteen top of a teams. See where And
Speaker 1: we talked about it all the time, But having that
Speaker 1: twenty seventh pick and having twenty six players gonna be
Speaker 1: off the board before you pick, right, makes it so
Speaker 1: tough to know, uh, you know who's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the board for you at twenty seven, Right, So when
Speaker 1: you're debating whether or not to trade up, you can't
Speaker 1: guarantee that a first round player or someone that you're
Speaker 1: high on will be there for you at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So that has to factor into it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm giving up an opportunity to get Frank Clark
Speaker 1: with my third if to go up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like Frank Clark that much. Okay, Stephen Mullenax, this
Speaker 1: is kind of a crazy question, but but it's a
Speaker 1: good one. If Marcus Mariota has an Aaron Rodgers type
Speaker 1: slide in this draft, would the Cowboys consider selecting Mariota
Speaker 1: at their first round at twenty seven at twenty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not trading up. No, just he's talk about because Rogers.
Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty four, right, yeah, right. Ted
Speaker 1: Thompson had no intention of taking Aaron Rodgers. He was
Speaker 1: looking defense at that time. I mean, I don't think,
Speaker 1: I don't I think it's a no brainer. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's completely unrealistic, but yeah, he's not getting past say
Speaker 1: the Browns twice at twelve and nineteen right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets out of the top six.
Speaker 1: But saying that does happen, then I think you need
Speaker 1: to get on the phone and figure out. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you need to get on the phone and say, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Did he get arrested last night? Exactly? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: but yeah, if he's there at twenty seven, yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: tell you all right, Gordon Harper, this is this is
Speaker 1: a question to you guys, more about what you guys
Speaker 1: do in the film room. Which position is the hardest
Speaker 1: degrade after quarterback? And which do you spend the least
Speaker 1: amount of time on? Tied end? Is mine in terms
Speaker 1: of the toughest, No, in terms of least least. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have little patience with tied end play, especially if
Speaker 1: you can't block very well at the point of attack,
Speaker 1: or you and you're not getting not getting up to
Speaker 1: feel very quick, right, I don't. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: real issues with that. Kickers and punters from me. I
Speaker 1: spend maybe a few days there looking at an entire
Speaker 1: year and that's it. That's I just I I need
Speaker 1: to get better in that as a self evaluator. We
Speaker 1: talked about that kickers and punters. I just I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of those guys. How about
Speaker 1: hard position is to do? Uh? Like linebacker? Okay? For me,
Speaker 1: it's safety. Yeah. Safety is difficult because you're trying to
Speaker 1: think about I said linebacker because sometimes you don't know
Speaker 1: what's scheme. Yeah, exactly. You know, you don't know if
Speaker 1: if a guy's taught to do, is he's supposed to
Speaker 1: stay here and read? Is he's supposed to So you're thinking,
Speaker 1: are you mistaking uh, lack of lack of football intelligence
Speaker 1: on you know, his movements and stuff like that, on
Speaker 1: what he's being taught to do. And you can say
Speaker 1: the same thing too at safety. Yeah, in safeties, especially
Speaker 1: today's college football with so many spread offenses, right, it's
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes these guys that get burned when you
Speaker 1: know their responsibilities are given just make it tough to
Speaker 1: really fully evaluate them. And even when you you're watching
Speaker 1: the All twenty two, Yeah, it's just tough to really
Speaker 1: read these guys read. I remember when we were doing
Speaker 1: Ed Reid in this room. Ed Reid played off the screen.
Speaker 1: He was off the he was off the screen, and
Speaker 1: I remember Jerry Jones, and I was responsible for the
Speaker 1: red dot. Put the red dot where he is? And
Speaker 1: I was the identifier. And every time Jerry, so where
Speaker 1: is he? And I do I would put the red
Speaker 1: dot afoot off the screen on a taphone. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: games and Coral Gables and he's playing in Fort Lanel
Speaker 1: Fort Water. I don't know. I mean that's how you
Speaker 1: know how part they were? Well? In another position for
Speaker 1: me on offense is center. Um, because they're so again
Speaker 1: talking about you know, zone blocking schemes and and and
Speaker 1: in different blocking schemes that that plays a part and um,
Speaker 1: you know center, there's a lot that goes into it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and so much on the intelligence exactly making the calls,
Speaker 1: being able to sign it identify me snap. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot that goes in the center that we can't
Speaker 1: just necessarily see on tape. Yeah, this calls is from correct,
Speaker 1: This questions from correct. I don't hear much about the
Speaker 1: D tackle position. Is this team okay with what they
Speaker 1: have at D tackle right now? Upgrades? I think there
Speaker 1: and and and now you have to determine now needs
Speaker 1: to be the determination of where you have Carl Davis
Speaker 1: you know if Carl Davis. If you've seen Carl Davis
Speaker 1: play as a three. The big thing with these guys
Speaker 1: about the tackle now, and the reason they would or
Speaker 1: would not take a guy would be because how many
Speaker 1: down player is he? Is he a one down player,
Speaker 1: two down player, three down player? What is he? Right?
Speaker 1: I think Carl Davis is a guy that when you
Speaker 1: start talking about other than Williams being that undertackle, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that you have to think about Carl Davis
Speaker 1: because I've seen him play the one and the three.
Speaker 1: Now again, would they take him at twenty seven? Very well?
Speaker 1: Could because he would be an upgrade over what they
Speaker 1: currently have. They like McClain, Terrell McClain, but they want
Speaker 1: to get a more athletic Nick Hayden right. So to me,
Speaker 1: the fact that you can play potentially play Davis at
Speaker 1: the three or start him at the one, I think
Speaker 1: is something that they would look into. Right. That versatility
Speaker 1: is key and for a player that's six five three twenty.
Speaker 1: We talked about the planet theory. There's only so many
Speaker 1: human beings on this planet that can move like that,
Speaker 1: and Davis the production is not impressive. Three and a
Speaker 1: half Sacks's entire career. Yeah, but he does. He can
Speaker 1: play the three, he could play the one U and
Speaker 1: a similar player Malcolm Brown if he falls the twenty seven,
Speaker 1: which is possible, right, you know, I think he could
Speaker 1: be in the conversation as well. A player that, in
Speaker 1: my mind, can play anywhere from the zero side of
Speaker 1: the five. You can play anywhere in between. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Carl Davis. If that first round board
Speaker 1: gets wiped out, got it. Yeah, But I didn't like
Speaker 1: what mcshaye did with Golden at twenty seven on that
Speaker 1: ESPN mock right, right, right, yeah, Eddie Goldman. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: don't don't believe, yeah that that's not no one. That's
Speaker 1: not no one who's drafting in that room, right, And
Speaker 1: nothing against McShay, but if you're gonna do this, don't
Speaker 1: pick the players that you would pick. Pick the players
Speaker 1: you think because again, a Giant is not one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players. I've mocked him a bunch to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but he's not my favorite player, right. I do it
Speaker 1: because of them. I don't do it because something with Yelden.
Speaker 1: For me, you know, I'm not a big yelled in
Speaker 1: Family's a third round player to me, but sixty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was some mistake on mcshay's park. Okay, ken I
Speaker 1: mentioned o booie, he might fall into this category. This
Speaker 1: is from David Chapman. Who do you think could be
Speaker 1: this year? Is Bruce Carter or Saun Lee somebody injury
Speaker 1: prone but has first round talent? Yeah, I think that's yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: he's And it's it's kind of ironic because watching you know,
Speaker 1: he came back for a senior year at A and M,
Speaker 1: a player that got hurt in his very last game
Speaker 1: and he took out a big insurance settlement. Sure he
Speaker 1: almost played. Watching his senior year, he almost played like
Speaker 1: he's trying not to get hurt. He did. He did
Speaker 1: look a little soft, yeah, play a little conservative, and
Speaker 1: so it's ironic that he got hurt in that final game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we talked about a top ten talent defeat
Speaker 1: or outstanding. There's a lot of base traits that you
Speaker 1: have there that, um, you know, you can develop a
Speaker 1: player that's seen time at left tackle, right tackle, he's
Speaker 1: seen time inside a guard. So definitely in the late
Speaker 1: first round, maybe even in that early second round, depending
Speaker 1: on where he goes. He's gonna be somewhere, probably at
Speaker 1: top forty mix. I think a lot of scouts like him,
Speaker 1: coaches like him. Just wonder really what some general managers
Speaker 1: are thinking about that. This tackle class is funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just there's not many options you know, later in
Speaker 1: this draft, but the first second rounds, you know, guys
Speaker 1: like Pete and Clemmings and Flowers, Humphreys, Collins. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so many different opinions on these players. It really makes
Speaker 1: it fun that you know which one's gonna go first,
Speaker 1: which one's gonna pan out. The Cowboys selection at twenty
Speaker 1: seven can have some value just because of the fifth
Speaker 1: year thing that David, I'd love to argue about it,
Speaker 1: but also to some of those offensive linemen that you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Aboue, Clemmings, Flowers, Pete, if he's somehouse stretches
Speaker 1: that far, maybe somebody wants to get back in there
Speaker 1: and grab one of those guys. And we don't. Last year,
Speaker 1: the first three tackles drafted were better than any of
Speaker 1: these guys with you, Greg Robinson, Jake Matthews, Taylor of one,
Speaker 1: we don't have that top ten no brainer tackle this year,
Speaker 1: but you know there are some options in that late
Speaker 1: first So you're you're actually right about the value of
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Okay, knt one mord before we go to break. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is from Kyle. This falls into what y'all are
Speaker 1: just talking about. What's the early round You think this
Speaker 1: team would consider drafting a swing tackle or future right tackle.
Speaker 1: You can't roll it out of twenty seven? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you really can't, depending on how the board plays out.
Speaker 1: Who's there for you? And hey, what do you think
Speaker 1: about that? You know, I'm thinking I like what you're
Speaker 1: saying because I see a guy like mid round Chaz
Speaker 1: Green's Chaz Green, Florida. Chaz Green played left tackle, played
Speaker 1: right tackle. You said it. He's made a ton of
Speaker 1: start you did you're in your book. We talked about
Speaker 1: him as well in our magazine. Chaz Green is one
Speaker 1: of those guys who think third fourth round could play
Speaker 1: both sides, you know, and it's very productive. And I
Speaker 1: gave him a fifth because the durability scares me. He's
Speaker 1: been dinged up his entire career, missed all the time.
Speaker 1: Should be surprised to be wenting the fourth though. No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't no, because talent wise, I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: up there. He's a top one hundred guy for any
Speaker 1: talent wise. Yeah, but the only thing said kind of
Speaker 1: dings him is a durability. So Chaz Green talent wise,
Speaker 1: swing tackle somewhere third fourth round, right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that could that could be a good value. I've been
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that chat on the chat screen. Okay,
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Speaker 1: move it back, stay where we're at, See who's on
Speaker 1: the board, See who's not on the board. Get mad,
Speaker 1: get happy, all those things, all those emotions you feel.
Speaker 1: This show next week during the draft can be fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you have your ESPN, you have an
Speaker 1: NFL network. This is gonna be a fun alternative. Put
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Speaker 1: gonna be something. Now, well, we're gonna have all the
Speaker 1: war room cam stuff. We're gonna have everything up. Like
Speaker 1: I say, all right, you know Kent and Laurence sokel
Speaker 1: and and Doug us all our guys that do stuff
Speaker 1: for us, that next to next door to us in
Speaker 1: the in the studios here. I mean, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure it's taken care of. And and then you got
Speaker 1: analysis from from Dane myself, Bill Jones, big time draft
Speaker 1: study guy, Kevin Turner, Jeff Cabinot from one oh five three.
Speaker 1: Both those guys, as you will know if you follow
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, are always involved with me and watching
Speaker 1: these players. So there's gonna be a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who have Uh, knowledge about these players and obviously there'll
Speaker 1: be a Cowboys theme. But they'll be covering every pick,
Speaker 1: every pick, you know it all have an opinion on
Speaker 1: every pick exactly. I will, one way or another have
Speaker 1: an opinion on every pick. We'll try and get you
Speaker 1: ready on that. We're excited though again to to have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that, uh, Thursday, Friday and Saturday
Speaker 1: for the and the fun part about it, it's instant
Speaker 1: and you know, it's instant reaction. It's not um, you
Speaker 1: know what we feel the next day when we've had
Speaker 1: a chance to let it, you know, simmer a little bit.
Speaker 1: Instant reaction what we think. So that'll be fun. Well,
Speaker 1: I always always, I'm always when they watched the draft
Speaker 1: shows on TV and stuff, and they always go and
Speaker 1: interview somebody. Yeah, I'm always like, I don't care, right,
Speaker 1: I just want to know about that. Who's gonna be
Speaker 1: the next pick? I don't want to miss any picks,
Speaker 1: don't there's nothing to talk about? Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: well we'll have we'll have coaches and guests and stuff
Speaker 1: like that too, So we'll we'll make it a lot
Speaker 1: of fun and keep it very informative. So we also
Speaker 1: should we should mention we're gonna have our pick on
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, So whoever we pick in the first
Speaker 1: round is gonna call in. We're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: talk to that player, and it's gonna be really really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exclusive and all that good stuff. So all the bells
Speaker 1: and whils what Dane grill that that player, Dane will
Speaker 1: be all right? Well that game, that game at Alabama
Speaker 1: that time, and you were all right, well, uh I
Speaker 1: promised you after the break that we were going to
Speaker 1: take some of your calls. Uh So eight eight eight
Speaker 1: eight five five two two nine seven, I'm getting pretty
Speaker 1: good at that phone number. Can't go ahead, and let's
Speaker 1: go to the first one. Sure, let's go out Westel
Speaker 1: Passo Dominic, You're on the Draft Show. Hello, guys. My
Speaker 1: question is are there any fullbacks worthy of a draft pick?
Speaker 1: And do you think the Cowboys a possibly take one?
Speaker 1: And then what round? There's a few in this draft? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Alabama kid, right, Justin Fowler? Yeah, yeah, player like Jim
Speaker 1: is a senior bawl a little bit. Yeah, he hits you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to hit and get physical, and he's
Speaker 1: a player that has some carries in his background, caught
Speaker 1: some passes, so he can be a little bit more
Speaker 1: than just a blocking guy. But he does like the block.
Speaker 1: He does like contact, and so you love to see it. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know a player that's only five eleven but at
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty five pounds. Yeah, when he goes downhill,
Speaker 1: he gets moving, he can clear some run lanes. So
Speaker 1: he's the best fullback in this draft, isn't he? I
Speaker 1: would say so? I think you know in my book,
Speaker 1: I combine fullbacks in each backs. Sure, so I have
Speaker 1: Dominic Brown in there, Carlos Williams, Jimmy Mundine, which is
Speaker 1: another North Texas kid. But in terms of pure fullbacks,
Speaker 1: there's the top guy this year. Fifth sixth round. Probably
Speaker 1: some team will get a good player. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. It's funny how you know they went out
Speaker 1: in free agency and start signing fullbacks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I think they'll probably stay away from that position.
Speaker 1: But that was a good report on the Alabama kid. Okay, Kip, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick and Corpus Christi. Nick, you're on the Draft show. Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning, guys. I'm kind of kind of a wild one.
Speaker 1: That's kind of figguredbacks onto that a guy that was
Speaker 1: on a little bit earlier, I'd like to take a
Speaker 1: three way deal with the Jets, the Vikings, and the Cowboys. Okay, Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys would get Peterson and the Jets number four,
Speaker 1: The Vikings would get twenty seven, Cowboys twenty seven and
Speaker 1: Cowboys sixty and des Bryant, and then of course the
Speaker 1: Jets would get Minnesota eleventh and they're forty five. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? That would set us up
Speaker 1: next year super Bowl, not this year. I think Tony
Speaker 1: Romo could really make a good receiver of the top
Speaker 1: receiver this year. And I think Jerry would make a
Speaker 1: big splash. Wow, that's Jerry's interested in drafting and building
Speaker 1: his team. The big splash. I think that everybody talks
Speaker 1: about that. But that would be the biggest trade. And
Speaker 1: yeah since herschel Walker. You know, it's a three way team.
Speaker 1: It's that's like NBA life in baseball. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: rarely see that in the NFL, but rarely do you
Speaker 1: see two more key players like Adrian Peterson Brian being
Speaker 1: part of the same deal. Again, going back to the
Speaker 1: out of the box thinking, you know, kudos because that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of that. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you if if you have a chance to
Speaker 1: get Adrian Peterson. You know, I'm not including does Brian
Speaker 1: as part of that. I think you try to get
Speaker 1: that deal done exclusively from a player like Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: But it's creative. I'll give him that. You know, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard much about Minnesota moving this player and we're
Speaker 1: getting close to the We're getting close, and you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like that if Dallas was going to get involved.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said the other day that he wasn't. You know, man, now,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he trade next year pick, next year's one
Speaker 1: or something like that. I mean, you say, I'm not
Speaker 1: training picks now, but you know what keeps him from
Speaker 1: trading a future pick. I think the further we go along,
Speaker 1: the closer we get to the draft and you don't
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to negotiate a deal with Peterson, I
Speaker 1: think the Peterson deal dies well. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: is that it comes down to are the Vikings willing
Speaker 1: to play ball? And that's what it comes down too,
Speaker 1: And so far it doesn't sound like they want to
Speaker 1: play ball. They don't want to play ball at all.
Speaker 1: They don't, they really especially and if they're going to
Speaker 1: deal them, I don't think they want to deal them
Speaker 1: within the conference. And I think that's something that you know,
Speaker 1: is is something that is would halt the trade gone
Speaker 1: very quiet. That's something that gets gone very quiet. You know,
Speaker 1: even the big time guys that you visit with, that
Speaker 1: we both visit with, that cover this stuff. You know
Speaker 1: that the scoop guys, it's gone quiet in their circles too.
Speaker 1: And if a deal does not happen on draft weekend
Speaker 1: or on Thursday. If the deal does not happen Thursday,
Speaker 1: I think you can pretty much forget about unless it's
Speaker 1: for next year's one. Yeah, then then then you're talking
Speaker 1: about it. But on draft weekend, weekend, draft weekend altogether, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's when you can. Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: invest a pick in a running back, and I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the running back that Okay, Kip Trey
Speaker 1: and Georgetown, Texas, you're on the Draft show, Trey, Hey, thanks, Hey, thanks?
Speaker 1: Uh call guys, my favorite player in his draft is
Speaker 1: an organ right, there is there any chance that he
Speaker 1: can have a special career at a free taking and
Speaker 1: I have a second question. Uh there a maybe a
Speaker 1: Portman's Zach Martin and the later h draft And thanks, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. We're talking about the injuries and some of
Speaker 1: these players I failed to mention him. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: guys that you feel horrible about because they get injured
Speaker 1: late in the season. They had a terrific career and
Speaker 1: ere Olmu his resume is outstanding. What he did at Oregon,
Speaker 1: productive three year starter, an All American, gets hurt in practice,
Speaker 1: really messes up that knee. Sure, um leading up to
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. So there, there's there's concerned there. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: where will he come off the board. That's a good
Speaker 1: question because there will be some teams that might not
Speaker 1: even have him on the board altogether because of that knee.
Speaker 1: It's it was it was significant. Yeah, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: simple terror. There's more to it, right, um, And that
Speaker 1: really clouds his draft value. So before we even talk
Speaker 1: about is it can be a corner of free safety,
Speaker 1: we have to talk about can even play? Can you
Speaker 1: get on the field. You hate to talk about that
Speaker 1: with a player like this because he's such a good
Speaker 1: It's reality. It is, it's reality. It's what they It's
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with in draft rooms all across the country.
Speaker 1: Right now. A player that's very talented but hurt, the
Speaker 1: top fifty player in this draft, who probably falls out
Speaker 1: of the top one hundred and then somewhere on Day
Speaker 1: three probably gets drafted. A team takes a chance, but
Speaker 1: they have to feel comfortable with that knee, which not
Speaker 1: every team's gonna feel comfortable with. Right. So, okay, hey,
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk something about Melvin Gordon O a
Speaker 1: little bit and yeah, let's let's talk about Melvin Gore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about because we talk about these running backs, right,
Speaker 1: and we talk about Okay, forget Gurley, we love him,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna be there, right, Um, So, barring
Speaker 1: a trade up, Melvin Gordon, it's realistic that he could
Speaker 1: be there at twenty seven now realistic. Good chance he
Speaker 1: could be taken before, but it's realistic he could be there.
Speaker 1: I like Coleman, right, you like Melvin Gordon. So you're
Speaker 1: you you want to challenge me on why you would
Speaker 1: why you should take Gordon over twenty seven. Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: Tevin Coleman are both there? Are you taking Coleman? Oh?
Speaker 1: I am I love I love the player because I
Speaker 1: think he could do more. I mean, then I'm basing
Speaker 1: Mark Murray Moll. I'll tell you what. There's people that
Speaker 1: might even throw Duke Johnson in that conversation as well. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I think that just just my gut, just my gut,
Speaker 1: I think that this scouting staff and the rest of
Speaker 1: the league probably see it the way you do. I
Speaker 1: think they probably see Melvin Gordon first, and then everybody,
Speaker 1: well not Melvin Gurley first, and then now Gordon the
Speaker 1: next guy. And then tell me who between Duke Johnson,
Speaker 1: Coleman and those guys and those kind of guys. While
Speaker 1: I do think Gordon has some special traits, I am
Speaker 1: with you when you talk about having the all around
Speaker 1: skill set and Gordon not really. He just wasn't asked
Speaker 1: to do that at Wisconsin. He wasn't asked to pass
Speaker 1: protect a whole lot, wasn't asked to be a receiver
Speaker 1: a whole lot. He does have some drops, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't given that opportunity. So it's not that he can't
Speaker 1: do it. He's just unproven in some of those areas.
Speaker 1: And so so you're selling me on the fact that
Speaker 1: he's a better pass blocker than he then the film
Speaker 1: has shown, right because I think he wasn't asked to
Speaker 1: do it a lot. And and so I think you
Speaker 1: have I mean, Gordon is a player that I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's two twenty. I mean he's right, he joked up. No, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think you have some. I think he's a
Speaker 1: competitive kid. I think you can work with him in
Speaker 1: pass protection to get better. Um. But I'm with you
Speaker 1: in terms of Coleman's more in that DeMarco Murray role
Speaker 1: where he's still around it. Yeah. Um, with Gordon, I
Speaker 1: see more of a home run threat. I think Coleman
Speaker 1: might have the better forty. Yeah. Somebody got on me
Speaker 1: about that that I didn't called it. I didn't call
Speaker 1: Gordon a home run back. I saw him get fetched
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Oh yeah. Jalen Collins coming from
Speaker 1: behind in that LSU game this season opener last year.
Speaker 1: But his acceleration is elite to me, Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: he zero to sixty is outstanding. He goes and so
Speaker 1: he can be caught from behind, but that initial acceleration
Speaker 1: is out so you're six seven yards into the hall
Speaker 1: before you exactly. And that's a big reason why Gordon
Speaker 1: average seven and a half yards of carry because before
Speaker 1: guys can react to what he's doing. We talked about
Speaker 1: with Abdullah not only being a quick with his feet
Speaker 1: in his lower body, but also being quick thinker in
Speaker 1: terms of reading his blocks and reacting quickly. With Gordon,
Speaker 1: there are a few. He likes to bounce it outside
Speaker 1: a little too much, doesn't like to live inside the
Speaker 1: tackles like Coleman does. But with Gordon, he's so quick
Speaker 1: thinking and reacting that he can get away with that.
Speaker 1: And so I think you see some Jamal Charles there,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think he's gonna end up in
Speaker 1: that first round. Gordon Gregory Jones twenty seven, three different positions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all all, and I'm not I can't. I got a
Speaker 1: defensive end for you that's slid down the board that's
Speaker 1: probably got a first round grade. Right. I gave you
Speaker 1: the second best running back right there, who's probably got
Speaker 1: a first round grade. Depending on what you think about Jones,
Speaker 1: he could be a one or two, right. But I
Speaker 1: tried to make it difficult because I think I think
Speaker 1: Johnson's gone and I and the Waynes is gone. This
Speaker 1: is a good problem to have. But it's a problem
Speaker 1: because you have three good players here right on my board,
Speaker 1: I have Gregory ranked the highest. Okay, So as long
Speaker 1: as I feel comfortable with what's going on there, I
Speaker 1: think he's got to be the pick because he's He's
Speaker 1: an impact pass rusher with a high ceiling and a
Speaker 1: guy that I rank as a top player on my board.
Speaker 1: For them probably comes down the garlier Gordon, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Gordon or Gregory? Yeah, you know that. Did they go
Speaker 1: to the pass rusher with the high upside, the running
Speaker 1: back where I think you have a little more idea
Speaker 1: of what you're getting. That's a good question. Where do
Speaker 1: you think they would go? Well, let's see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think they would probably there's a side of me
Speaker 1: that believes they would. Draft. Now, let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: what could happen in rounds two and three? Sure, could
Speaker 1: I get it in the second round? Could I get
Speaker 1: a runner? Can Can you tell me? Because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the corner or I'm looking at the defensive end right,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking maybe I could use sixty to get
Speaker 1: to get to Duke Johnson. Right, I'm thinking, and I
Speaker 1: think this this group here is thinking similar. They hit
Speaker 1: a home run with DeMarco Murray and round right. I
Speaker 1: think they think they can do that again. So I
Speaker 1: think you're right. If they feel they can get a
Speaker 1: Duke Johnson at sixty, then they're gonna go with the
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah, right and something like that. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they have to even abdula, I mean they can exactly.
Speaker 1: They'll have options at running back at sixty. So better
Speaker 1: options at running back at sixty than say, defensive end
Speaker 1: at sixty. As because I'm trying to get you, Frank Clark,
Speaker 1: it's at at at you know, it's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do for you, right, But you have a Gregory
Speaker 1: on the board in front of you. Gregory might have
Speaker 1: the highest grade. I think you're right about that. I agree,
Speaker 1: and I think they would. I think they is as
Speaker 1: crazy as this would sound, even with the corner need too,
Speaker 1: I think they would take the impact. I think Marinelli.
Speaker 1: I think Marinelli would step up at this point and
Speaker 1: he would say, okay, get me that defensive end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we talked about we didn't really know, I mean
Speaker 1: the hardiest suspension. We think it's gonna be reduced maybe
Speaker 1: six games. Yeah, somewhere. Okay, So so you're only you know,
Speaker 1: but you're still gonna need somebody that. I mean, they
Speaker 1: we're going into plan and you're right on a lot
Speaker 1: of boards. Gregory's a higher guy. So I think they
Speaker 1: would go. I think that they would go with Gregory
Speaker 1: the Husker pass rusher. I think so. I think that
Speaker 1: you just can't. Why would that scare the hell out
Speaker 1: of me? Oh, it would scare the hell out of
Speaker 1: me too, because you oh, you could say, hell, you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead. But there's a reason that he's there at
Speaker 1: twenty seven. There's a reason he's a top ten talent
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be there for you at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Off the field stuff, yeah, and again, this stuff goes
Speaker 1: back to high school. This stuff goes back. You know,
Speaker 1: he had a full rider perdue that fell through because
Speaker 1: of some of his issues that he just kind of
Speaker 1: he let his priorities get away from him, goes to Juco,
Speaker 1: goes to Nebraska, and I've said up before, you know,
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans have heard me say this. He failed two
Speaker 1: drug tests that Nebraska and it got to the point
Speaker 1: they stopped testing him. They the coaches said, stop testing him.
Speaker 1: He's not going to pass. We need him on the field.
Speaker 1: We cannot afford to lose him. So there's red flags
Speaker 1: all over. There were some games where he was very
Speaker 1: much this sure, yeah, and I think with Gordon, you
Speaker 1: gotta you know, Gordon had some good There are some
Speaker 1: scouts out there who legitimately question his toughness because he
Speaker 1: would leave the leave the field because of a hangnail.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's something that you can't have in the
Speaker 1: NFL at the defensive end position. And for a player
Speaker 1: that's in that two thirty two thirty five range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the weight is a question mark, is something that can
Speaker 1: he keep putting on weight? And I mean listen to
Speaker 1: let's talk about all these concerns. Oh yeah, they drafted
Speaker 1: a player here they couldn't keep weight, Chante Carver. They
Speaker 1: drafted a player here that never could Ariz, never could
Speaker 1: put on weight, right, And it's it's easy to say
Speaker 1: some of these guys he's six five to thirty, he'll
Speaker 1: put on the weight. Yeah, look at their risks, look
Speaker 1: at their ankles, right, that show he's a lean guy exactly.
Speaker 1: But I still think they would take the guy, even
Speaker 1: even with Jones and Gordon on the board. I agree
Speaker 1: that's scary, and it is scary. But if he's there
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, we're on the same page. I think
Speaker 1: this group might take him. Yeah, that's crazy. All right,
Speaker 1: Well listen, that is all the time that we have
Speaker 1: for today. Uh. I want to thank everybody that was
Speaker 1: part of the show. Dame Brugler, we missed David Hellman,
Speaker 1: he's out on assignment. Thanks to Kent Garrison for making
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Speaker 1: seven round mock draft. So for Dame Burglar, KK Garrison,
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Brons, thanks again and we'll see you next
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