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Speaker 1: dot Com. Turning out to Greenland this and all Eyes

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Speaker 1: on Greenland after this Stephen Miller appearance with CNN. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 3: Greenland should be part of the United States. The President

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Speaker 3: has been very clear about that. That is the formal

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Speaker 3: position of the US government.

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Speaker 4: Right, But can you say that military action against Greenland

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Speaker 4: is off the table?

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Speaker 3: It would be in a military action against Greenland, the

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Speaker 3: Greenland has a population of thirty thousand people, Jake, The

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Speaker 3: real question is about what right does Denmark is certain

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Speaker 3: control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim.

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Speaker 3: What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony

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Speaker 3: of Denmark the United States is the power of NATO

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Speaker 3: for the United States to secure the Arctic region, to

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Speaker 3: protect and defend NATO and NATO interest.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Greenland should be part of the United States.

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Speaker 3: And so that's a conversation that we're going to have

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Speaker 3: as a country. That's a process we're going to have

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Speaker 3: as a as a new community of nations.

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Speaker 4: So you can get off the table that the US

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Speaker 4: would use military force to seize Greenland. You can standards.

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Speaker 3: Jay I just said, you're trying very hard to which

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Speaker 3: which again is your job.

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Speaker 1: I respect.

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Speaker 3: It is great to get exactly the headline right. That

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Speaker 3: catchy headlines It says that says Miller refuses to rule

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Speaker 3: out the the United States should have Greenland as part

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Speaker 3: of the United States. There's no need to even think

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Speaker 3: or talk about this in the context the you're asking

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Speaker 3: of a military operation. Nobody's going to fight the United

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Speaker 3: States militarily over the future of Greenland.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that is the declaration from Stephen Miller. CE

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Speaker 1: two though, let's put that up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio calming the waters, going before lawmakers, saying, guys,

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Speaker 1: the actual aim is to buy Greenland. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to downplay military action, especially after a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: Europeans freaked out because Stephen Miller's wife tweeted out this image.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to that one up there on the screen, please,

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Speaker 1: just to show her, buddy showing is that the Kennedy

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Speaker 1: Center that I see right there or the sorry, the

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Channel. I thought that she had super imposed that

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Speaker 1: on top of Greenland, and I thought it was going

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Speaker 1: to be even more ridiculous. But that is Greenland there

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Speaker 1: pictured in an American flag, inviting all kinds of freak

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Speaker 1: out from the European powers, though they do want to

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Speaker 1: buy it now from Denmark. So your general reaction ran,

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Speaker 1: especially in the context of this whole Russian raid which

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Speaker 1: just took actually a place of this Russian interception just

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Speaker 1: took place off the coast of Iceland in the North Atlantic.

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Speaker 4: So I want to know how MAGA plans to build

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Speaker 4: a wall around this.

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Speaker 1: We don't need a wall around Greenland. It's called the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to get there?

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Speaker 4: I don't know in a boat?

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Speaker 1: Who wants to come to Greenland. It's in the middle

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. Very few people who can even make it there.

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Speaker 4: I look at the amount of wall you'd have to

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Speaker 4: build there.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a wall, right, there's as he said,

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Speaker 1: there's only fifty thousand people.

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Speaker 4: But what if the Venezuelans get to Greenland and then

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Speaker 4: they're in then they're in territorial United States.

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Speaker 1: You know, if any twenty from Venezuela can sail a

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Speaker 1: boat from Venezuela to Greenland, you can stay, you can.

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Speaker 4: Ice.

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Speaker 1: That is such an impressive journey. That's like Shackleton's journey.

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Speaker 4: Ice foot, drive foot.

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Speaker 1: That's the only real ones. We'll understand that reference. I

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Speaker 1: will say, I think buying it is a good idea

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Speaker 1: for the people of Greenland. So we were talking about.

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Speaker 4: This, it's what's the matter.

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Speaker 1: So the actual vipulation is fifty six thousand, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't give them two million? All right, give them

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Speaker 1: two million each, because you have to make up for

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Speaker 1: the facts. Well, we have to make up for the

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Speaker 1: fact that these people do have free health care and

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Speaker 1: they have a decent enough Like I will say, just

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Speaker 1: reading a little bit about Greenland and their relationship with Denmark.

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Speaker 1: It is genuinely tenuous. The US history with Greenland goes

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Speaker 1: way back. We can go and quit C six, please

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. I was reading this last year

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Speaker 1: when the whole Greenland thing was becoming a big talking point.

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Speaker 1: So in eighteen sixty eight, under Secretary Steward he actually

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Speaker 1: commissioned this report called a Report on the Resources of

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Speaker 1: Iceland and Greenland. And here's what it wrote, quote by location.

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Speaker 1: It belongs in the Western Hemisphere as an insular dependency

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Speaker 1: of the North American continent. I've heretofore expressed the opinion

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Speaker 1: we should purchase Greenland. And in fact, the circumstances which

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Speaker 1: we ended up recognizing Greenland I had no idea is

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Speaker 1: we ended up purchasing the US Virgin Islands from I

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Speaker 1: believe whoever. It was controlled Denmark at the time, and

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Speaker 1: it's because we needed it for power projection with the

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Speaker 1: Panama Canal and as.

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Speaker 4: A coaling st coal right.

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Speaker 1: And then it ended up becoming a problem because the

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Speaker 1: Danes surrendered after World War during World War Two in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty can no longer protect Greenland? And so FDR

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Speaker 1: actually went in and put yes. We were like we

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Speaker 1: got this in recognition. They're like, it's critical to US

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Speaker 1: deffec because they didn't want the Nazis to come in

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Speaker 1: and put a base on Greenland and use it as

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Speaker 1: some sort of submarine base for operations against the United

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Speaker 1: And so the US actually came in protected Greenland, but

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Speaker 1: then eventually gave it back because the theory at the

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Speaker 1: time there was a serious debate about this is whether

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Speaker 1: we should give Greenland back to Denmark. They're like, well,

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Speaker 1: if we keep Greenland after we just fought a war

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Speaker 1: against territorial aggression and we're denouncing Soviet territorial aggression in

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Speaker 1: Western Europe or in Eastern Europe, it would be a

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Speaker 1: little bit contradictory. So we have to give it back.

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Speaker 1: But it has been a live issue for since eighteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. I personally think we should buy it to

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Speaker 1: get around any of the NATO problems. I do think

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Speaker 1: the Arctic concerns, especially with the whole melting ice and

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Speaker 1: sea channels and all that. It's very interesting, guys, this

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Speaker 1: is totally independent of Trump and all of this. I've

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Speaker 1: just I spoke to a few Arctic experts about a

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Speaker 1: year ago when all of this was going on, They're like,

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Speaker 1: you look, Trump idiocy and all of that aside. This

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Speaker 1: has been kind of a thing now for the United

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Speaker 1: States for a long time, and actually, in the context

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Speaker 1: of melting ice caps, it makes it more viable in

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Speaker 1: terms of shipping lanes. But no, I do not support

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Speaker 1: territory explicitly invading Greenland. I think we should make it

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Speaker 1: worth the Greenlanders while they have free healthcare, they've got

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Speaker 1: a decent enough thing going. Although they want their own

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Speaker 1: independence from Denmark, they don't love being a colony either.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some free trade compact or whatever. Pay them

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Speaker 1: all two million bucks each, make it tax free, make

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Speaker 1: them all filthy rich, and then it'll be a win

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Speaker 1: win situation.

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Speaker 4: If I did my math right, it's about or twelve

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Speaker 4: billion dollars, okay, to give two million dollar fifty six wells.

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Speaker 1: One ninth that's like one ninth of the Pentagon budget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, actually no, that's one tenth of the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: for one year.

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Speaker 4: The fact the fact that it's already a colony of Denmark,

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Speaker 4: to me like strips away a lot of the kind

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Speaker 4: of moral balance of it, where it's like it's hard

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Speaker 4: to get too worked up about something that's already a

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Speaker 4: colony of something.

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Speaker 1: We don't have too much time, but I do want

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Speaker 1: to say that because I've been dying to dunk on

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Speaker 1: the Europeans for this week where you put the five

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen, is that these European leaders

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Speaker 1: when when Trump extraordinary had did the extraordinary rendition of Maduro,

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Speaker 1: they were all like basically supportive of the operation. You know,

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Speaker 1: they said, oh, we want a democratic transition and all

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Speaker 1: of that. And I was amazed by it because for

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Speaker 1: four years these people have lectured me about how other

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Speaker 1: countries can't just go in regardless of whether it's in

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Speaker 1: their sphere of influence and knock off the per I mean,

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Speaker 1: remember how much they freaked out when Russia tried to

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Speaker 1: kill Zelenski, how many different times this is a horrible

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Speaker 1: violation of international norms. But they're the ones who recognize

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Speaker 1: the fake Guido government and are proposing some grand democratic

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Speaker 1: transition by force. It's like, can you really Europe lecture

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Speaker 1: us about territorial integrity whenever you're openly supportive of the

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan operation and then bleeding about Greenland because yeah, as

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Speaker 1: you said, it's a colony which they don't even want

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Speaker 1: the people of Greenland necessarily to be part of Denmark.

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Speaker 1: Now when I say that, I'm not saying they also

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Speaker 1: want to be part of America, but they're explicitly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: one of the leading parties in Greenland is like, we

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Speaker 1: be ruled by all of you and the Danish. You're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this should be a horrible violation of NATO integrity.

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Speaker 4: Unless put up C four real quickly. Because there's an

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Speaker 4: interesting line in this statement, joint statement from France Germany.

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Speaker 4: You know, all the usual suspects. It finishes, Greenland belongs

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Speaker 4: to its people. It is for Denmark and Greenland.

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Speaker 1: Right, oh right, right wait wait.

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Speaker 4: And them only to decide on matters concerning Denmark and

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Speaker 4: green It's like, what's Denmark how to do with this.

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Speaker 1: Hold on a second?

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Speaker 4: Greenland belongs to its people. It is for Denmark to decide, like,

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Speaker 4: come on, what are you doing here?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, that makes no sense? What's so eight? Whatsoever?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know the story of Greenland, like

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Speaker 1: how it eventually came to be colonized by the European powers.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy like if you okay, is I as I

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Speaker 1: remember it, and people might people might get me, you know,

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Speaker 1: you might have to fact check me. It starts with

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Speaker 1: I think it's Eric the Red and it was like

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Speaker 1: his son like murdered somebody and went to I think,

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Speaker 1: went to Iceland. And then that guy's son also murdered

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Speaker 1: somebody and was banished and he went to Greenland. And

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Speaker 1: it's like because of that because back in like six

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Speaker 1: the years, six hundred eight years. Again, I apologize, I

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Speaker 1: know I'm getting a decent amount of this is wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it's roughly correct that Denmark has her right to Greenland.

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Speaker 1: And again you know, by the laws of territorial you.

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Speaker 4: Know, integrity Viking.

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Speaker 1: No. But that's my whole thing is that Denmark was

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Speaker 1: not even a country when all this was happening. It

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Speaker 1: when it mattered in World War Two, they literally gave

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Speaker 4: So and what the US can do is just threat

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Speaker 4: if we would take the Ozembic pattern.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no, the Danish ship threaten that. Remember

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Speaker 1: live in now, Okay, it's bad, all right. So with

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Speaker 1: all that, we have the Blowback boys standing by. Let's

436
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Speaker 1: get to it.

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Speaker 4: Recently at drop site News and we can put up G

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Speaker 4: three here, we put out a story Kazi saying myself,

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Speaker 4: the headline Epstein, Israel and the CIA, how the Iran

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Speaker 4: contra planes landed at Les Wexter's base. We covered it

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Speaker 4: previously here, but it looks at it looks to answer

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Speaker 4: the question of how did Jeffrey Epstein get his start

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Speaker 4: and where did he make his money and what are

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Speaker 4: his links to the Intel community. So after that piece

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Speaker 4: came out, Noah cole One, who's the one of the

446
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Speaker 4: co founders, the co hosts of the Blowback podcast, reached

447
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Speaker 4: out and is like, you know, we've got this new episode,

448
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Speaker 4: this new series on Angola that actually talks a bunch

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Speaker 4: about this and it is truly fascinating. I gotta I

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Speaker 4: gotta look at the premium. It's out now, so I

451
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Speaker 4: highly recommend that people listen to it. But it tells

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Speaker 4: the story of Angola, and Jeffrey Epstein's involvement in Africa

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Speaker 4: is one of is one of the kind of most

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Speaker 4: underdiscussed parts of it. It's also the thing that got

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Speaker 4: him famous because in two thousand and two he took

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Speaker 4: Clinton to to Africa. It's also the thing that shows

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Speaker 4: that he is a person who has always had his

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Speaker 4: finger on the pulse of where money and power kind

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Speaker 4: of flows in our in our global society. Now, Emily

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Speaker 4: was going to be on here today and actually I

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Speaker 4: think she listened to the whole Blowbox Blowback series to

462
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Speaker 4: get ready for it. Sager subbed in for him. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so we're gonna no and I are going to educate Sager

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Speaker 4: on what's going on here. So Noah, thanks for thanks

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Speaker 4: for joining us. You would need two or three hours

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Speaker 4: to do justice to this conversation. Luckily your podcast series

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Speaker 4: does run no at least that long, but we'll do

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Speaker 4: we'll do what we candidate, So thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 4: joining us.

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Speaker 7: Man, Hey, thank you for having me. Really appreciate it

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Speaker 7: and all the kind words.

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Speaker 4: And so let's let's throw up actually, let's let's let's

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Speaker 4: throw up the map map here, because you have an

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Speaker 4: interesting part where you say, like, the CIA began its

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Speaker 4: briefings of the White House just with a map.

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Speaker 7: Well, it was, actually it was. So this was CIA

477
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Speaker 7: Director William Colby, who is addressing the NSC. And the

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Speaker 7: account of this meeting comes from an XCIA officer named

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Speaker 7: John Stockwell, right, and so, and Colby is explaining what's

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Speaker 7: going down in nineteen seventy five in southern Africa by

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Speaker 7: telling the National Security Council at that time, the most

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Speaker 7: important national security policymaking body. And he says, this is

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Speaker 7: a map of Africa, and this is Angola, and these

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Speaker 7: are the good guys, these are the bad guys, and

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Speaker 7: then these guys we don't know too much about. But

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Speaker 7: that is how the highest levels of Washington initially were

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Speaker 7: apprized of what Angola was and what it meant at

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Speaker 7: the beginning of what became a secret CIA coverd action,

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Speaker 7: or at least near the start, if not at the

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Speaker 7: very beginning.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's an appropriate way to kind of

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Speaker 4: start a segment about Angola for an American audience. But

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Speaker 4: it's a truly embarrassing way for the United States to

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Speaker 4: start its own kind of involvement in the region. And

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Speaker 4: so in that map, people saw South Africa, which at

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Speaker 4: the time was apartheid South Africa, and which at the

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Speaker 4: time occupied Namibia, which was just to its northwest. There.

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Speaker 4: Namibia had been the victim of a Germany's first genocide

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Speaker 4: in the early early twentieth century, and after that South

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Speaker 4: African South Africa ended up occupying it, and it's fending

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Speaker 4: off fending off an insurgency to throw South Africa out

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Speaker 4: of there. North of that, you've got Angola. North of that, importantly,

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Speaker 4: you have what was then Zaire, which is a democratic

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Speaker 4: Republic of Congo, which when we've talked we've Emily and

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Speaker 4: I interviewed the guy who wrote the recent biography of

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Speaker 4: of Patrice la Mumba. You know, his assassination plays a

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Speaker 4: critical role here as well, because the CIA's man Mumutu

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Speaker 4: coming into Zayre plays a huge role in the history

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Speaker 4: as you talk about here, because it allows for the

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Speaker 4: CIA and it's and it's the certain insertence that it's

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Speaker 4: backing to have a base of operations to kind of

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Speaker 4: constantly mess with Angola. Uh. The reason that this is

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Speaker 4: interesting today I think two reasons. One Cuba and Venezuela

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Speaker 4: because I think there's actually a shadow there, but also

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Speaker 4: also Jeffrey Epstein. So let's roll the Jeffrey Epstein portion

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Speaker 4: of I think this is an episode eight or so,

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Speaker 4: this is season six, and then we'll unpack this. So

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Speaker 4: let's roll that clip.

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Speaker 7: One particular irony of the scandal was that when Eugene

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Speaker 7: Hasenpfis had been shot down over Nicaragua, he had been

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Speaker 7: flying a plane for a CIA front company called Southern

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Speaker 7: Air Transport. As it turned out, the NBLA government in Luanda,

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Speaker 7: which was fighting the CIA, was also contracting with Southern

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Speaker 7: Air Transport, having very few options for air cargo in

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Speaker 7: angle in skies.

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Speaker 5: Apparently unaware of the company's history, reports The La Times,

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Speaker 5: the Soviet and Cuban backed Angolan government in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 5: four paid Southern Air Transport to run a busy airlift

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Speaker 5: that kept two Lockheed L one hundred cargo planes flying

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Speaker 5: nearly around the clock. According to diamond industry sources, the

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Speaker 5: Angola contract accounted for about sixty five percent of Southern

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Speaker 5: air Transports income.

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Speaker 7: End quote Luanda, after learning more about Southern Air, promptly

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Speaker 7: canceled its dealings with the airline. But while Angola's business

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Speaker 7: with Southern Air was done, one of the CIA's most

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Speaker 7: notorious proprietaries or front companies lived on.

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Speaker 5: A decade later, in the mid nineteen nineties, Southern Air

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Speaker 5: Transport relocated to Columbus, Ohio. There he fell into the

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Speaker 5: control of Les Wexner, CEO of the parent company of

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Speaker 5: Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch. Wexner used the airline

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Speaker 5: to bring merchandise from Hong Kong to the States, and

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Speaker 5: the person who reportedly arranged the sale and relocation of

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Speaker 5: Southern Air Transport, Jeffrey Epstein, les Wessner's financial advisor, suspected spy,

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Speaker 5: reported blackmailer and convicted pedophile.

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Speaker 4: So Jeffrey Epstein brings this CIA backed airline after it's

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Speaker 4: done with its ran contract business to Columbus, iiO to

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Speaker 4: work for Les Wexner, and then interesting and you can

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Speaker 4: put up G three B. We had reported this in

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Speaker 4: our piece that after after it was done in Columbus,

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Speaker 4: and right as the kind of CIAIG report is coming

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Speaker 4: out and exposing that it actually was doing the thing

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Speaker 4: that you know, we now understand that it was doing.

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Speaker 4: They sell, they declare bankruptcy. But before that, they sell

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Speaker 4: half their planes to a Ue based airline which does

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Speaker 4: business in Angola, and it begins, uh track, they begin

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Speaker 4: again trafficking blood, diamonds and so and so. In the

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Speaker 4: middle of all this the entire time is Jeffrey Epp

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Speaker 4: is Jeffrey Epstein. And so at one point he had said,

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Speaker 4: you know that, how did you make your money? He

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Speaker 4: told a journalist gun, guns, drugs and diamonds. So before

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Speaker 4: we get into all of the Epstein part, which is

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Speaker 4: which is utterly fascinating, and it's uh, let's let's talk

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Speaker 4: a little bit about the Cuban element of this, because sure,

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Speaker 4: so the n p l A, which is the kind

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Speaker 4: of socialist government you know after the Portuguese leave, you know,

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Speaker 4: they're consolidating, they're consolidating control.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The South Africans feel like having a leftist anywhere and

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Speaker 4: so they're in Africa is a threat to apartheid, and

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Speaker 4: so they start to invade. They are blocked shockingly by Cuba.

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Speaker 4: So what was what was Cuba's current situation and what

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Speaker 4: advantage was there at all? To Cuba intervening militarily in Angola.

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Speaker 6: Ah, there was none.

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Speaker 7: I mean, in a longer sense, there was because Cuban

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Speaker 7: Fidel Castro and the Cuban leadership had for many years

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Speaker 7: outlined a policy by which they understood that part of

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Speaker 7: the goal of you know, supporting revolutionaries and gorillas in

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Speaker 7: other foreign in foreign countries was that it was a

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Speaker 7: way of combating you know, capitalist forces more generally, a

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Speaker 7: way of hemming imperial ambitions that they viewed as part

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Speaker 7: of a global system. And that there was, you know,

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Speaker 7: in that broader sense, it was a way of fighting

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Speaker 7: and applying pressure against its own enemies, namely the United States,

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Speaker 7: you know, through through acts of solidarity. But in you know,

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Speaker 7: but that's that's a pretty abstract thing. The reality was

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Speaker 7: that Cuba in nineteen seventy five was faced with a

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Speaker 7: moral dilemma. The Angolan nationalists, who had you know, competed

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Speaker 7: amongst themselves various factions to be the ones who would

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Speaker 7: take power after the Portuguese left in late seventy five,

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Speaker 7: the left wing Marxist faction, the NPLA, was in control

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Speaker 7: of the capital city and was poised to be able

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Speaker 7: to actually assume the responsibility of government, and they were

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Speaker 7: the favored sons, or at least they were the favored

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Speaker 7: inheritors of that authority. By the porch, the departing Portuguese

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Speaker 7: who were now part of a you know, a recently

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Speaker 7: installed left wing junta.

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Speaker 6: And the Angolans. The remaining two angle in factions.

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Speaker 7: One was the LA, which was very strongly CIA supported,

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Speaker 7: very much aligned with Mubutu in Zaiyir and led by

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Speaker 7: a guy named Holden Roberto. And then you have Jonas

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Speaker 7: Savimbi who haded a more unknown faction at the time

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Speaker 7: called Unida, but we'll hear more about him later. And

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Speaker 7: the Cubans were, you know, they were They were told

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Speaker 7: explicitly in mid seventy five, and they understood because they

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Speaker 7: were in contact with the Angle and the MPLA leadership

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Speaker 7: that essentially the CIA and the South Africans had begun

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Speaker 7: arming and mobilizing against the MPLA. There were already border incursions,

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Speaker 7: there had been huge fighting across the country, and neighboring

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Speaker 7: South Africa had a huge interest in not wanting to

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Speaker 7: see a community, you know, what they viewed as a

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Speaker 7: aggressive communist government coming to power, in part because as

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Speaker 7: you said earlier, South Africa occupied Namibia, and through its

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Speaker 7: occupation of Namibia, its occupation Namibia would be exposed to

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Speaker 7: Namibian rebels who would be able to take sanctuary in

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Speaker 7: southern Angola. And so the South African interest, you know,

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Speaker 7: rears his head at this time. So all these threats

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Speaker 7: are rearing these their heads against what in November seventy

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Speaker 7: five is the new government, the new Nation of Angola

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Speaker 7: led by the left wing MPLA, and the South Africans

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Speaker 7: immediately invade, immediately invade from the south. They launched two

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Speaker 7: different divisions and the FNLA from the north and the

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Speaker 7: central area they attack and the FNLA is wiped out

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Speaker 7: because they're pretty incompetent in threadbare, and the CIA operation

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Speaker 7: to fund them is revealed as a big it's a

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Speaker 7: it's a huge, it's a fiasco. But UNITA in South

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Speaker 7: Africa are this really dramatic threat that the Cubans in

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Speaker 7: an active sort of immediate daring do send an emergency

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Speaker 7: detachment of armed force is to support the Angolans, who

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Speaker 7: then are able to successfully repel the South African advance.

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Speaker 7: Advance and although the Cuban hand is shown in the

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Speaker 7: US condemns Cuba in you know, world farah like the

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Speaker 7: UN for you know, expanding Soviet you know, and then

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Speaker 7: Soviet arms of course, that are fueling all this combat

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Speaker 7: or at least fueling the npla's ability to make you know,

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Speaker 7: fight this battle, you know, and the US is claiming that,

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Speaker 7: oh wow, well we had you know, there's this uh

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Speaker 7: you know, so world Soviet communism is on the march again,

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Speaker 7: uh a CIA operation UH is revealed that we had

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Speaker 7: been secretly arming these people. And this is at the

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Speaker 7: height of anti you know, the post Vietnam Church Committee

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Speaker 7: UH scrutiny of the National Security state. And as a consequence,

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Speaker 7: the Angle and operation gets immediately hemmed in. And as

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Speaker 7: a result, that also means that you know, because the

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Speaker 7: US refuses to commit to fighting the you know, to

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Speaker 7: advancing further in South Africa's that capacity at that moment,

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Speaker 7: the Cubans are able to be this very decisive force.

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Speaker 7: And it doesn't end at this emergency detachment. However, because

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Speaker 7: the new Angle and nation is you know, desperately poor,

649
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Speaker 7: they have no expertise. The departing Portuguese colonists and settlers,

650
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 7: you know, they poured cement and elevators, toy threw away

651
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 7: the keys to their cars. They the angle and population

652
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 7: was incredibly rural, and there were very few people who

653
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 7: were able to you know, take up the means of governance.

654
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 7: And it was a detachment of cubical Cuban technical and

655
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 7: humanitarian advisors and doctors who were able to you know,

656
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 7: essentially help provide some kind of aid in a meaningful

657
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 7: way and in building this new nation. Immediately afterward, all

658
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 7: the while, a Cuban security attachment is necessary, you know,

659
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 7: is committed there again at great expense and cost to

660
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 7: Cuban society. Essentially until that point it had been donated,

661
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 7: although eventually they work out an arrangement to just meet

662
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 7: costs with the Angolans. They're not profiting from it. They

663
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 7: weren't mercenaries. And it begins this you know, almost fifteen

664
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 7: year or about fifteen year mission that is at once

665
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 7: and humanitarian to support an embattled Anglan government, which is

666
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 7: subsequently you know, opposed by both South African military forces

667
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 7: as well as secret US, secretly funded and armed US proxies.

668
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: The shows called Blowback. What do you think the legacy

669
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: of this is that kind of remains with us today The.

670
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 7: Two main pieces I would say are first that like

671
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 7: the nation of Angola and the people of Angola suffered

672
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 7: enormously and the legacy of that suffering. I mean, we're

673
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 7: talking about a conflict that at some points in the

674
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 7: late eighties and early nineties was considered perhaps the deadliest

675
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 7: in the entire world, thousands and thousands and thousands and

676
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 7: thousands of people dying, whether it's from malnourishment or disfigurements

677
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 7: from land to mines. It is not a conflict many

678
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 7: people know about. It's a conflict I certainly knew very

679
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 7: little about until we began researching and really and learning

680
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 7: about it for this season. And so I think that

681
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 7: just the first piece of the legacy that's with us

682
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 7: is that this is a country, like many other poor

683
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 7: countries in the world, that has been wounded by you know,

684
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 7: the legacy of you know, of of of nationalists and

685
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 7: anti imperial struggle. Frankly, and then the second piece of it,

686
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 7: I would say is that Angola today, and or at

687
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 7: least the uh, the way in which the you know,

688
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 7: actions and the legacy of things like Angola operate and

689
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 7: as pertains to uh sort of why Ryan asked me

690
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 7: on I think is not something just about Angola specifically,

691
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 7: but about something that it represents, which is how America

692
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 7: involves itself in foreign conflict to advance a perceived American interest,

693
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 7: which in the time of the Cold War was often

694
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 7: structured around you know, and and and had this huge

695
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 7: anti communist ideological component as well as obviously you know,

696
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: rank material interest if we want to call it that,

697
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 7: but it is I think a if you look at

698
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: the Angola story and we you know, you trace the

699
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 7: lineages of it, obviously arrive at very you know, strange

700
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 7: and weird facts like the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was

701
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 7: involved with you know, corporations that had been arming in

702
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 7: gold rebels. Obviously Southern Air Transport did a lot more

703
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 7: than just Angola. But also it's about, you know, how,

704
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 7: even when these wars are over, when there's money to

705
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 7: be made, when there's tons and tons of money to

706
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 7: be made, particularly in diamond smuggling in the case of Epstein,

707
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 7: the ways in which yeah, like the you know, even

708
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 7: if the conflict is over, we've put we've moved out,

709
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 7: we've pulled up stakes, we're no longer you know, uh

710
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 7: going you know, supporting our proxies. We fucked things up

711
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 7: enough or destabilized them enough that some of the like

712
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 7: world's historical villains who you know, who walked the earth

713
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 7: until pretty recently, are able to profit immensely from it,

714
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 7: like Jeffrey Epstein.

715
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 4: The other the other legacy, the positive legacy, you know

716
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: you talk about on the podcast. Nelson Mandela and and

717
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: a lot of other people cite the defeat of South

718
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: Africa in Angola as the turning point in apartheid. That

719
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: that that that is where apartheid had its had its bread,

720
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: had its back broken. Uh, they did successfully liberate in

721
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: Namibia and knock you know, knock the South Africans out

722
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: of that and allow an independent Bibia to emerge, and

723
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: then broke the back of a and then broke the

724
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 4: back of apartheid. But so you were, you were in

725
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties. That's that's where around Contra and

726
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: Epstein come in. Because as you're talking with you, the

727
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: CIA operation is exposed. It's the late seventies, early eighties,

728
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: Like people are people don't have the appetite for these

729
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: these wars, like these CIA dirty wars all over the country.

730
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 4: So Congress is like we're not, We're not doing this.

731
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: You're you're not You're not backing a secret insurgency in

732
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: Angola anymore. And of course the CIA is like, no,

733
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: we are. We're going to find a way to do it.

734
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 4: And that's where Iran contract comes in. And so what

735
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: you know, what we had reported over at drop site

736
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: is that Epstein had all of these wild around around

737
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: contra connections. He's he was tight with Anan Kashogi, who

738
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: was the you know, the financier and the arms trafficker

739
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: at the center of Iran contra. He was uh, he

740
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 4: was a protege of Douglas Lease, a British arms trafficker

741
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: who had connections with China, which plays an interesting role

742
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: that maybe we can get into in Angola, like on

743
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: the side of the US, like China often was because

744
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 4: you know, they're a hostile at the time with the Soviets.

745
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: Was was was able to kind of arm US allies

746
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: when the US when the US could not and we

747
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: would you know, with a wink and a nod situation

748
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: like hey, like we can't give weapons directly, maybe China can.

749
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 4: That's where a guy like Douglas Leask sometimes comes in.

750
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: And then Stan Pottinger. It was a lawyer and a

751
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: business partner of Epstein helped set up a lot of

752
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: the kind of legal structures through which the money laundering

753
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: and such was done for Iran Contra And for people

754
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: who don't know, the middleman in Iran contra was Israel.

755
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: So Israel would send weapons to Iran, and then the

756
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: US would replenish Israel's supply so that the US was

757
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: not directly arming Iran. Ironic that it's okay for Israel

758
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 4: to be directly arming Iran given that they want to

759
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 4: go to war with them constantly.

760
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 7: Well, at that time, it was a very I mean,

761
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 7: I actually think that's a good Before I jumped to

762
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 7: the point the direct response to what you're just saying,

763
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 7: I do want to say, respond to what you're saying

764
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 7: a bit earlier about the legacy of the Cuban intervention,

765
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 7: which is absolutely right and probably what I should have

766
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 7: opened led with, which is that the Cuban intervention, which

767
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 7: is there's not really a precedent. For the historian Piero Glassis,

768
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 7: whom we interview in the show. He's the the eminent historian,

769
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 7: having worked through the archives of South African Cuban and

770
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 7: American governments to sketch a portrait of these fifteen years

771
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 7: in his book Visions of Freedom. You know, he calls

772
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: it the one time in history that a poor country

773
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 7: comes to the defense of another poor country, and that

774
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 7: it was successful, that the Cubans helped the Angolans not

775
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 7: merely outlast, but successfully repel South Africans. It was one

776
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 7: of the decisive, you know, like it was one of

777
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 7: the decisive, it's indisputable factors that led to the South

778
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 7: African apartheid.

779
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: Regime ultimately agreeing to.

780
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 4: End itself.

781
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 6: You know, there was a there were a number of

782
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 6: other factors.

783
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 7: There was, and what is still not so well understood

784
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 7: in the West today, a functional civil war and a

785
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 7: violent insurgency being led against the white rule, against white

786
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 7: rule within South Africa. But the Cuban victory at the

787
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 7: city of Quito, Quanavale, you know, where you have Fidel

788
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 7: Castro issuing battlefield commands, you know, over the phone. It's

789
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 7: it's an astonishing scene and it was a it was

790
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 7: an unbelievable at the time, and you know, obviously totally rational.

791
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 7: It was like the it the actual account of the

792
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 7: battle makes a clear out happen, but it is a

793
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 7: very special and important historical understanding of the of the

794
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: significance of the angle and struggle and the Cuban role

795
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 7: in it. In uh why apartheid fell, and how it

796
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 7: really it was a It suggested the South African apartheid

797
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 7: regime was just overmatched in so much of what was

798
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: doing in Southern Africa. Now to your more recent in

799
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 7: the specific part about the eighties and sort of how

800
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 7: Ran Contra comes in, I think it's helpful and reading

801
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 7: your coverage of this really affirmed this for me. The

802
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 7: heart of Iran Contra and the specific Iran Contra deal

803
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 7: was this convoluted arrangement by which, as you say, the

804
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 7: mayor Ricans were supplying arms to the Iranians and using

805
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 7: Israel as an intermediary, and then using the funds generated

806
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 7: from that deal to arm the Contra rebels in Nicaragua,

807
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 7: and that is where the name Iran hyphen Contra comes from.

808
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 7: But Iran Contra as kind of like a signifier for

809
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 7: this period of time also kind of works because I

810
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 7: would argue that the late seventies and in Goal is

811
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 7: one example of this into the early eighties. It represents

812
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 7: you know, we think of it as sort of the moment,

813
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 7: you know, the these birth pangs of neoliberalism in America.

814
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 7: It's represented by this horrible economic calamity that begins to come,

815
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 7: you know, that's affected both by existing inflation issues and

816
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 7: then with the Vulgar Shock, and then abroad, though when

817
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: Reagan comes into power, they're both at home and abroad.

818
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 7: There are all these different kinds of policy changes and

819
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 7: shifts among the attitudes of the American people allow for

820
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 7: both the kind of rearmament which was not really possible

821
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 7: in the nineteen seventies, and a certain kind of appetite

822
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 7: for you know, foreign intervention. And that also coincides with

823
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 7: you know, all sorts of different deregulation and expansion of

824
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 7: of of rule by finance throughout different sectors of the

825
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 7: American economy that also enables you know, profit to take

826
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 7: place from these you know, sorts of sordid deals and

827
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 7: this and these secret wars that pop up in all

828
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 7: sorts of parts, primarily in the Third World over the

829
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 7: course of the nineteen eighties, and Gola being one of them,

830
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 7: Afghanistan being another, Central America being another. We could go on,

831
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 7: and you know, the savings and loan banks crisis is

832
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: one example of where you can look to see how

833
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 7: these kind of converge, where you see savings and loans

834
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 7: banks which were deregulated dramatically and eventually have to get

835
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 7: bailed out by the government as a sector at the

836
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 7: end of the decade. The you know, spies, drug runners,

837
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 7: white collar criminals, uh you know, immediately take advantage of

838
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 7: the deregulation and are able to use them. In some instances,

839
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 7: it was shown to get to people like you know,

840
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 7: Adan Kashogi was connected in part to one at least

841
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 7: one I know b C C I. The Pakistani Bank

842
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 7: is another you know, financial entity that comes into being

843
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 7: during this period or at least rises to prominence and

844
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 7: participates in a lot of these deals. And I think

845
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 7: you can look at Jeffrey Epstein and the involvement of

846
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 7: somebody like Wes Wesner you know, years down the line,

847
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 7: and their connections to these kinds of figures as sort

848
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 7: of an example of what, you know, what is happening

849
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 7: more generally in this period in the nineteen eighties where

850
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 7: you have, as a matter of you know, the policy

851
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 7: shifts of the Reagan administration and what we think of

852
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 7: as sort of you know, I would argue like the

853
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 7: beginnings of the neoliberal era involve, you know, allowing for

854
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 7: the rise of you know, these kinds of entrepreneurs not

855
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 7: just of war clearly, but also of intelligence and who

856
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 7: straddle the you know, like the the the world above

857
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 7: and you know, give rides to people like Bill Clinton,

858
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 7: but who are and who were able to make their

859
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 7: money by you know, their adjacency, by dint of their

860
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 7: adjacency and their relationships to people who were tied to

861
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 7: and ran some of the much darker stuff.

862
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: And the key detail there that I don't know if

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Speaker 4: we've said it yet, the money, the profits from Iran

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Speaker 4: but Epstein linking up with the UE and the UAE

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