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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, live rural Oregon. Stepmommy walks

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Speaker 1: her seven year old down the hall of his elementary school.

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Speaker 2: He's never seen again.

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Speaker 1: Police now insisting step Mommy take a second polygraph, and

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Speaker 1: in a bizarre twist, we learned Stepmommy sending X rated

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Speaker 1: photos to a lover just days after Kiren disappears. Despite

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Speaker 1: all of this, still no sign of seven year old

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Horman. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Which started as another school morning soon turn into a

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Speaker 3: nightmare for parents of seven year old Kyrone Horman, who

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Speaker 3: unexplicably vanished from a school science fair, a suspicious drive,

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Speaker 3: an alleged accomplice, and a murder for higher plot, Where

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Speaker 3: is little old Kyn Horman.

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Speaker 1: This is a question that has gone through our minds

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Speaker 1: and hearts over and over and over. Joining me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we are

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Speaker 1: learning about Kyn's disappearance.

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Speaker 2: But first I.

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Speaker 1: Want to go to a very special guest. Kywen's father

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Speaker 1: is joining us, Cain Horman Kane. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thanks for having me Kine.

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Speaker 1: I know you have been asked this before, specifically my

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Speaker 1: police and many many other law enforcement But could you

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Speaker 1: go back to the day that you when you learn

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Speaker 1: Kyen has disappeared? Just seven years old at the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was at work that day and came home

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Speaker 4: after I was in the office and went to walk

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Speaker 4: something we do pretty much on every day. And the

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Speaker 4: bus came down and the door opened, and the bus

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Speaker 4: driver looked at us a little bit puzzled and had

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Speaker 4: a few minutes, at which time we ran back up

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Speaker 4: was happening while we were making phone calls on the way.

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Speaker 4: So it was a very shocking situation at that point

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Speaker 4: in time. And then went to the school, talked to

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Speaker 4: the teachers and faculty up there, placed the call the

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Speaker 4: involved and just kind of evolved from there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about that trip, that frantic drive that

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Speaker 1: you made to the school, Kay, I'm projecting.

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Speaker 2: I remember I was in New York and I had just.

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Speaker 1: Gotten the children made in their pajamas and called home

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Speaker 2: Within about fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Minutes, we we're out on the street, trying to hail

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Speaker 1: trying to get home, trying to get somewhere to get

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Speaker 1: to my dad. Will you describe those moments where you

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Speaker 1: What was going through your mind? What happened on that

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Speaker 4: Well, it was just a very I don't know that

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Speaker 4: I have a good description of it, very visceral panic. Nothing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, sure panic the one thing or one of

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the top things I think most

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Speaker 4: parents fear is their children going missing. You want to

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Speaker 4: protect them, you want to be able to know where

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Speaker 4: It was just terror. I don't remember much else. I

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Speaker 4: remember just I think what I've learned since then about

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Speaker 4: trauma response, I think that it was in just full

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Speaker 4: trauma mode at that point in time. You know, everything

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Speaker 4: all the different scenarios that could play out. But it

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Another thing Caine Hormon guys joining us is Kyen's dad Kane.

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Speaker 1: Many people would say it's not their fault, they just

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Speaker 1: haven't lived through it. Well, it's no big deal that

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Speaker 1: he's not on the bus, because what if he stayed

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Speaker 2: What if he stayed in one of the rooms and

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Speaker 1: There's something called routine evidence, evidence of routine. Every day

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Speaker 1: If they're not there, there's a problem. It would be

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Speaker 1: for instance, if everybody got together and came here and

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Speaker 1: it's time to get hooked up to you and know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: that has never happened. It means something. It's significant. How

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Speaker 1: when those doors swung open. How did you know instinctively

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly how you describe it. The button the

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Speaker 4: bus comes, he gets off. Every day, there's y'all want

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Speaker 4: to discussion around, you know, whether or not he was

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Speaker 4: just very routine, Like you said, I don't know that

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Speaker 4: about it. And I think that's the main thing is usually,

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Speaker 4: I think in a lot of those circumstances, if there's

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Speaker 4: really good about doing that. So it was just an

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Speaker 4: right now. So exactly what you described, it was pretty

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Speaker 4: much like clockwork every day, and that was just the

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Speaker 4: one day that it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well you got to the school. What happened when

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Speaker 4: I remember trying to locate teachers. The three of us

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Speaker 4: ask questions about, you know, where he was at, if

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Speaker 4: he was still there, kind of the things that we

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Speaker 4: indicated that he was not there that day, that he

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, that just makes my stomach hurt.

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Speaker 2: Your whole day, you're going about your.

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Speaker 1: Business, you're working, you're this, you're that, You're making calls,

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Speaker 1: you're sending emails the whole time. You think he's fine

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Speaker 2: He was not checked in.

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Speaker 1: Right when you say the three of you, I can

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Speaker 1: just imagine getting to the school is still.

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Speaker 2: Kind of drop off pick up.

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Speaker 1: Everything's going crazy and you rushing in probably to the office,

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Speaker 1: going where's Ky and where is he?

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Speaker 2: Where is he? I can't find anything.

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Speaker 1: Off the bus, and then you learn he wasn't checked

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Speaker 2: You said, the three of you, who is with you?

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Speaker 4: His stepmom and my daughter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me think this through. You get to the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I don't remember. I know we had started

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Speaker 1: Honestly, just seven years old at the time he goes missing.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thinks he is at school that day, but he's not.

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Speaker 2: What happened that.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland, Oregon is having

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Speaker 5: thirty minutes earlier than normal to allow for parents and

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Speaker 5: Arriving at Skyline just after eight am, Kyrine Horman and

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Speaker 5: his stepmother, Terry Horman, go to his classroom to drop

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Speaker 5: his exhibit called the Red eyed tree Frog.

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Speaker 1: So Kyin Horman at school, an at Nuwell joining us

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Speaker 1: k XL News host of speaking freely with an at

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Speaker 1: newel and net thank you for being with us. But

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Speaker 1: there's no question he was at school for this pre

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Speaker 1: school science fair. Now interesting, A lot of times we

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Speaker 1: don't have that distinction. This was all happening before first period,

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Speaker 1: before he goes into his homeroom. Teacher, was this science fair? Explain?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was an event in which there were a

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Speaker 6: There were people coming in and out because there was

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace came Horman with me Kirne's dad.

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of a big morning for him

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Speaker 1: taking in the big science project.

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Speaker 2: I know when we have that with our twins, it's

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Speaker 2: a big ordeal.

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Speaker 1: Try to get everything there, don't leave anything behind, don't

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Speaker 1: How was that morning before he left for school? Was

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Speaker 1: anything at all unusual? No, not from my perspective.

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Speaker 4: We had talked that morning before he went up to

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Speaker 1: What more do we know about what happened at the

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 7: Terry Horman has raised Karen since he was an infant,

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Speaker 7: and she takes a picture of Karen standing in front

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Speaker 7: of his project, posting the photo on Facebook. The two

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Speaker 7: for the science fair. Terry Hormon volunteers her time helping

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Speaker 7: Karen's teacher, Christina Porter, and Porter sees Kiren and Terry

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Speaker 7: Karen and Terry in another classroom before the eight forty

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Speaker 1: Caine Horman explain to me your understanding of what happened

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Speaker 1: that morning at the science Expo and how many times

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Speaker 1: he was signed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I see the picture, I know.

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Speaker 1: He was there, but now I'm hearing he was in

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Speaker 2: What's your understanding of his movements that morning?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So based on what I understand, again, this is

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Speaker 4: what I remember being told that they arrived at the school,

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Speaker 4: that they went to the classroom where his project was

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Speaker 4: on display. That's the photo that we've all seen already

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Speaker 4: with him standing in front. I did see that photo

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Speaker 4: later that day on our camera as well. There was

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Speaker 4: a couple other pictures of other things in the room,

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Speaker 4: The teacher the names escaping me at the moment, I apologize.

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Speaker 6: Actually that information came from the mother of Kirene. She

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Speaker 8: Listen, the investigation continue used to be on track and

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Speaker 2: We love you, Kiren.

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Speaker 5: Never give up, Pope.

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Speaker 8: We are all coming to get you, to bring you home.

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Speaker 1: Back to Caine Horman Cain, did Terry ever mentioned to

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Speaker 4: No, not in any conversation that we had.

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Speaker 4: Personally, I have no first hand account of anybody having

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Speaker 1: Be honest, Nor do I in fact me reports state

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Speaker 4: Many many times exhaustively. There was a lot of discussion

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Speaker 9: Kirn, who was seven years old, disappeared from Skyline Elementary

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Speaker 10: Day one, the Molnoma County Sheriff's Office has worked in

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Speaker 9: As parents, we can't imagine the pain and struggle Kyen's

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Speaker 10: And that's why we have never given up or slowed

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Speaker 2: And neither have we. The truth is out there.

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Speaker 1: Someone knows what happened to Kyrien Horman, and I am

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Speaker 1: Kin Jarrett Farantino joining us, renowned former prosecutor, host of

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Speaker 1: True Crime, Boss Jared, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me that we understand the timeline very well.

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Speaker 2: Cain has filled it out for us.

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Speaker 1: I understand everything up until the point the stepmother leaves.

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Speaker 4: That is the golden moment.

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Speaker 11: This case really began Nancy, and there's some discrepancy in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino, former police chief and former sheriff, also served

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Speaker 2: At dancorsantino dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dan, right there, I'm telling you that is the critical moment,

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Speaker 1: But it's suddenly with step mommy leaves, that's when everything

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Speaker 12: Dan Corsantino, Absolutely, that was the defining moment, that was

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Speaker 1: You know, you just mentioned something really important to be

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Speaker 1: her specialty is criminal behavior. She's the author of Criminal

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Speaker 1: Behavior and Where Law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. That is not a

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Speaker 2: To go to class. What stranger what? Who?

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Speaker 1: No stranger is in that building. Everyone is dispersing and leaving.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz. Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 13: Sherry Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: stepmom Terry on our friend doctor Field's program.

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Speaker 14: This was in retaliation for something that he was doing

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Speaker 14: that I found out about while this is happening. And

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Speaker 14: this particular person was actually his friend and sent.

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Speaker 2: To the house. So this was a setup.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, a setup retaliation.

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Speaker 2: What is she even talking about?

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Speaker 1: Listen to more of the stepmom speaking to our friend

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Speaker 1: doctor Phil.

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Speaker 2: Well, that would be.

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Speaker 14: Because the law enforcement told us to go to do

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Speaker 14: what we told us to do, things that we normally do.

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Speaker 14: So they want you to go grocery shopping, they want

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Speaker 14: you to go to the gym. Specifically told both Kane

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Speaker 14: and I, and he was with me that day when

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Speaker 14: we will win it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what she's talking about, because she'd possibly be talking

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Speaker 1: about the X rated photo she's sending a lover within

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Speaker 1: just days after Kyine disappearing, I mean, Kine, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what you went through. I thought I knew everything

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Speaker 1: about grief. When my fiance was murdered. I couldn't eat,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep, I could barely speak. I couldn't stand

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Speaker 1: to hear music or TV or radio or even the

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Speaker 1: clock ticking. I would vomit and vomit. I couldn't keep

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Speaker 1: anything on my stomach. The last thing I could have

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Speaker 1: thought about is sending X rayed photos of myself to

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Speaker 1: some guy. I mean, that's just not where your head

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Speaker 1: is at a tivel like that.

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Speaker 4: The first thing that I wanted to do was to

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Speaker 4: cooperate with law enforcement as much as possible, And when

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Speaker 4: I wasn't doing that, I was sitting in another room,

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Speaker 4: staring at the floor and crying. For the first couple

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Speaker 4: of days, I think I slept for maybe twenty minutes.

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Speaker 4: The night that he went missing, we had a house

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Speaker 4: full of law enforcement. One of the sheriff's officers that

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Speaker 4: I had gotten to know over that period of time

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Speaker 4: sat across from me in the room, and I think

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Speaker 4: I might have knotted off for twenty minutes. Maybe everything

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Speaker 4: was do everything possible, as fast as possible, whatever we

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Speaker 4: needed to do, and it was just being ready and

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Speaker 4: available to go through the process that they conduct through

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Speaker 4: the investigation as much as we could. Like I said,

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Speaker 4: when I wasn't doing that, I was basically sitting there

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Speaker 4: crying for the first and that was the first few days.

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Speaker 4: It was the grief was overwhelming, and at the same time,

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Speaker 4: like we talked about in the ride up to the school,

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Speaker 4: in my brain was just frantically trying to figure out,

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Speaker 4: you know, what could we possibly be doing? Is this real?

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Speaker 4: It's still just really hadn't sunk in all the way,

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Speaker 4: but it had at the same time. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if that makes any sense, but just mulling over everything.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't remember sleeping that much for the

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Speaker 4: first week, if not longer, because we were in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the investigation, we were being investigated in all

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Speaker 4: the interviews and everything else that we were trying to

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Speaker 4: get through. I mean, I was not on social media

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Speaker 4: at all that I recall. I don't even recall cracking

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Speaker 4: a laptop. I don't remember being on my phone. I

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Speaker 4: just remember working with the team as much as humanly

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Speaker 4: possible to make progress and on finding him. So the

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Speaker 4: things that you're describing to me completely foreign to me

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Speaker 4: at that time, and still it just ye. Sorry, I

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Speaker 4: don't know how it's answered. It was just it was

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Speaker 4: a very intense period of time. I have no idea

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Speaker 4: how anyone would be on that mindset.

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Speaker 15: Terry alleges she drove along country roads to sooth daughter

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Speaker 15: Kiera's erich the morning of Chirrine's disappearance. Terry's friend Deetie

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Speaker 15: allegedly rushes out of work at the same time as

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Speaker 15: Terry's drive after receiving a mysterious phone call her whereabouts

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Speaker 15: during this time are unknown. Witnesses at the school report

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Speaker 15: an unidentified man in a white pickup truck at the

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Speaker 15: science fair, but his identity remains a mystery.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there's so much misdirection going on right here, so

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Speaker 1: much misdirection. To Anette Newel joining us Katexale news host,

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Speaker 1: Annette again, thank you for being with us. That parking

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Speaker 1: lot was likely full of parents leaving leaving the science fair,

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Speaker 1: but you are telling me evidence has emerged of at

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Speaker 1: least one witness seeing the stepmother leaving with Tyrone.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: They were seen out in front of the school by

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Speaker 6: one of Kyron's friends, His grandma and sister as well

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Speaker 6: as his bus driver. They were walking out to the

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Speaker 6: main road, which is where the truck was parked. That

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Speaker 6: witnesses saw Terry and Kyroen leaving the school together that

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Speaker 6: morning and heading toward their truck, according to Quayinna. Also,

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Speaker 6: Terry said that she drove around town that day, stopping

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Speaker 6: at the two grocery stores to get medicine for her

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Speaker 6: daughter who wasn't feeling well. Then police found that Terry's

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Speaker 6: phone painted her own Highway thirty north of Portland and

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Speaker 6: that time period.

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Speaker 1: Now you're telling me that she in the vehicle in

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Speaker 1: the truck was bought it at not one, but at

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Speaker 1: least two grocery stores. Could the video be highlighted enhanced

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Speaker 1: to see if Kyen was in the car at that time.

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Speaker 6: That's something that they tried to do a bunch of time,

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Speaker 6: and they couldn't conclusively tell whether he was in the

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Speaker 6: car or not.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy, Grace, Annett and Neil joining us

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Speaker 2: k x L.

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Speaker 1: And that video depicting the stepmother going to at least

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Speaker 1: to grocery stores, was that immediately upon her leaving the school.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they do think it fit the timeline of what

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Speaker 6: she was talking about, although there was some other time

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Speaker 6: that they weren't sure if they could definitely connect what

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Speaker 6: she was saying she did versus what she did. But

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Speaker 6: they did find that there was some video of her

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Speaker 6: from surveillance cameras in that area that did show her

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Speaker 6: and show her in the truck.

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Speaker 1: Right question, you mentioned the pinging of her cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me where her cell phone pained.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an area in north Portland, not far

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Speaker 6: from the school, around Highway thirty which runs north of Portland,

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Speaker 6: and that was after she'd spent time driving her daughter around.

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Speaker 6: She said she was driving in that area to settle

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Speaker 6: her daughter down. It's what she told police when they

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Speaker 6: asked why she was why the phone was paying around

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Speaker 6: in that area.

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Speaker 2: To Kaye Horman, this is Karen's dad.

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Speaker 1: When you asked her what had happened that morning, did

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Speaker 1: she describe this circuitous route driving around with the daughter

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Speaker 1: in the car to help her earache.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she did. She talked about the retailers she stopped at.

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Speaker 4: I want to say there was a gem stop. Again,

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Speaker 4: I don't recall it's been a while, but she did

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Speaker 4: outline that. She outlined a few of the country roads

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Speaker 4: that they were driving on. She wasn't overly specific about

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Speaker 4: which ones. There was a few she talked about, but

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Speaker 4: after that it was just driving around. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: was familiar with that kind of timetable.

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Speaker 3: The fourteen year investigation has turned up no clues as

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Speaker 3: to little Kiren's whereabouts, but family and investigators suspect this

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Speaker 3: was no accident. Stepmom Terry maintains her innocence as the

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Speaker 3: Hormon family continues their desperate search for answers.

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Speaker 1: We know the stepmother has never been formally charged in

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Speaker 1: Karen Horman's disappearance. She has become the target of public suspicion.

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Speaker 1: But there seems to be a chain of alleged misconduct

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Speaker 1: really since the moment Kiren goes missing. Now to you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz, I know that everyone reacts differently to

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Speaker 1: pain or suffering, or loss or even stress. But this

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Speaker 1: series of alleged misconduct does not bode well, doctor Sherry.

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Speaker 13: Not at all. And this isn't to me, This isn't

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Speaker 13: anything that would cost it to trauma response or a

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Speaker 13: grief response. This is very specific behavior. She's talking about

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Speaker 13: retaliation against Kirn's dad. She is saying things like the

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Speaker 13: police told her things like to go to the gym. Now,

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Speaker 13: I don't know if they did or they didn't, but

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Speaker 13: I would find that very strange because most parents are

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Speaker 13: out looking. And also, Nancy, if I lost somebody's sunglasses

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Speaker 13: that didn't belong to me, I'd be scouring the neighborhood

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Speaker 13: to find out where did I leave them, let alone

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Speaker 13: losing someone's child.

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Speaker 1: I also understand that Terry Lynn Moulton formerly Terry Horman,

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Speaker 1: face grand theft firearm charges stemming from an incident in Marysville, California, regarding.

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Speaker 2: A stolen gun.

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Speaker 1: It's just like one thing after the next, and Againcy

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Speaker 1: is not Ever, she's never been named a suspect, a

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Speaker 1: formal suspect. And the disappearance of Kiren, you know, Caine,

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Speaker 1: you earlier mentioned that you and the whole family were

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Speaker 1: being investigated. That's SOP standard operating procedure. When someone goes missing,

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Speaker 1: the first place police look, as they should, is at

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Speaker 1: the family members, particularly the male members. Statistically, that's typically

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Speaker 1: who did it tell me about being the target of

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Speaker 1: an investigation yourself while your son is missing?

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Speaker 2: What was that like?

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Speaker 4: The one way I can describe it is is it

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Speaker 4: was something that that I needed to do. I knew

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Speaker 4: I didn't have any involvements. I knew that really at

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Speaker 4: that point, it wasn't about me, is really all I

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Speaker 4: can say is about him, and I did everything I

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Speaker 4: was asked to do as fast and quickly and urgently

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Speaker 4: as possible to clear myself in the investigation because I

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Speaker 4: wanted them to be focused on who it So it

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Speaker 4: was just I don't know, I set aside, there was

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Speaker 4: not really a lot of emotions from me on that front,

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Speaker 4: other than they indicated the process and my job was

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Speaker 4: to clear the process, and that's absolutely what I wanted

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Speaker 4: to do, and again as urgently as possible. The focus

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Speaker 4: was on him, finding him as quickly as possible. It

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Speaker 4: really didn't have to do with me as far as

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Speaker 4: how I felt about what was happening. It was just

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Speaker 4: what I needed to do as his parent to help

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Speaker 4: him get recovered as early as possible. So it was

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Speaker 4: basically my mission to do every and anything asked to

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Speaker 4: clear that process and continue to move forward. So it

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Speaker 4: was a lot less about emotion at that point. I

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Speaker 4: know I described the first couple like twenty four to

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Speaker 4: forty eight hours just being kind of unresponsive unless I

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Speaker 4: was being interviewed with investigators, crying and all that stuff,

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Speaker 4: And as we started to get further into the process,

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Speaker 4: I kind of had to set that aside and become

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Speaker 4: more focused on what needed to be done, the task

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Speaker 4: that needed to be done, and not being emotional about

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Speaker 4: how I felt. At that particular point in time. I

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Speaker 4: missed him. I was frantic, but at the same time

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Speaker 4: I needed them to focus on who actually did this.

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Speaker 4: So it was about clearing. It was one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: just about clearing everything that I needed to clear so

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Speaker 4: we could stay focused on him.

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Speaker 1: I don't even no words to describe what I think

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Speaker 1: you've been through. But now, what is your message to

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Speaker 1: anybody out there that may know anything about Tyron?

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Speaker 4: Well, first and foremost, Kyen, if you're still out there,

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Speaker 4: we're still looking for you, So I will always lead

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Speaker 4: with that. No one's given up. We are still looking.

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Speaker 4: We haven't given up. We love you, we miss you.

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Speaker 4: We are still active, the investigations active, We're still looking

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Speaker 4: to everyone out there. Keep recording tips. We have tips

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Speaker 4: coming in through the phone still to this day, lots

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Speaker 4: on email. There's a website that I'm I'm sure that

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Speaker 4: you guys will have the information for that. The Sheriff's

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Speaker 4: office is put up now in addition to the one

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Speaker 4: that we've put up for the past fourteen years, they

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Speaker 4: recently put up a new one that gives a rough timeline,

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Speaker 4: gives the tip line, it gives an email tip line.

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Speaker 4: Would encourage everyone to submit tips, no matter how big

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Speaker 4: or small you think they are. Try not to rule

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Speaker 4: them out, try not to filter them, Just submit them

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Speaker 4: and the investigators will do that work. But urge anybody

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Speaker 4: who feels that they witnessed anything, no matter how long

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Speaker 4: ago it was, to submit that information through the tip line,

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Speaker 4: and again, don't try to filter it out, don't try

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Speaker 4: to vet it for yourself, give it, pass it along.

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Speaker 4: So I would highly encourage that. The other thing is

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Speaker 4: there are age progress photos on the website. There's I

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Speaker 4: think the original and three others. He's not seven anymore,

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Speaker 4: and so that's one thing that we try to remind

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Speaker 4: folks is that he's older. He may or may not

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Speaker 4: have his glasses right now as well, so if he

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Speaker 4: is still alive and he is out there with somebody,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're trying to get people familiarized with those

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Speaker 4: age progressed with and without the glasses. So if they

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Speaker 4: do see a similarity that they call on that tip

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Speaker 4: as well. But the tip line that both the phone

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Speaker 4: and the email are open. They're still actively getting tips.

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Speaker 4: Please continue to submit them as much as you can.

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Speaker 1: You can, of course call Enigma or one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: the Lost, one eight hundred the Lost. There is a

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollar reward for information leading to the resolution

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Speaker 1: of Kirene's disappearance, A fifty thousand dollar reward. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us, joining us in the search for

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Speaker 1: Kiren Horman Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,