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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. Well, there are only

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Speaker 1: two kinds of people today's podcast. There are those who

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Speaker 1: are going to Vegas for the Pro Bowl, and there

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Speaker 1: are those who are not. Somebody has their arms over

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Speaker 1: their head in exaltation right now, and it's certainly not

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Speaker 1: poly Pro Bowl. Don't call me that No, I ain't

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Speaker 1: going to Vegas around here, Darren Urban Danny serekt do

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Speaker 1: tell'm I'll break the news I'm going to Vegas. That

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Speaker 1: just don't care. I'm very excited. It should be fun.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long week. Though. Was there an

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Speaker 1: application process that I missed here? I mean, I understand,

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Speaker 1: just maybe it might be worth submitting an application. Darren,

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Speaker 1: comes to coverage, What was up with that? Your name

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Speaker 1: never came up? Wow? That hurts? That hurts, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: what I get. I mean. Ultimately, Danny Danny race to

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Speaker 1: Was it a trust issue in Vegas for years? Truly?

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Speaker 1: give a profile on that. You know, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know you that well. You know, the party potential,

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Speaker 1: the group going. I'm not sure you should be all

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Speaker 1: that confident, Darren. But that's on you. That's gonna blow

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Speaker 1: back on you only, Darren if this thing blows up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Maybe should we build ourselves this time a year, the

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Speaker 1: off season? Tis the season the off season. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: should start by saying welcome to the years on our

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Speaker 1: Cardinals help desk, you know, with our customer service representatives,

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Speaker 1: Darren and Danny. I don't, I you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: retirement of one Tom Brady. Yes, what do you think

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Speaker 1: up Darren? When you think of Tom Brady, what do

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Speaker 1: They're huge cap numbers. Both those guys. They're not the future,

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Speaker 1: So there is something definitely awry and a miss there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to Tom Brady, you

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Speaker 1: a lot of double coverage, but the moment he got

428
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Speaker 1: single coverage for the most part. You saw Joe Burrow

429
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Speaker 1: target Jamar Chase, and it's just if there's one takeaway

430
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Speaker 1: that I think the Cardinals could learn from and maybe

431
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: improve from, is what are these teams doing with their

432
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: number one receivers who are getting plenty of defensive attention

433
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 1: still making them productive? And how can you incorporate that

434
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: in when it comes to DeAndre Hopkins? Who's with me

435
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah? I think that's a great point. Um.

436
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: I also think two of looking at the other receivers,

437
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: right of if Cooper cup Is or obj right like,

438
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: how are they using Van Jefferson? How are they using

439
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: all these other receivers if that number one receiver is

440
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: not an option? I think what's tricky if you start

441
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: thinking about the Cardinals is who are your other receiver? Sure? Yeah, exactly.

442
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: We don't have an answer to that, right. That is

443
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: one of the big offseason questions, no doubt about. And honestly,

444
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: if you went back and you did the analytics and

445
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: where's the intern when I need him? Right, I would

446
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: say Kyler's best games this year were the games were

447
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: after the game we said he hit seven or eight

448
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: or nine different receivers. There were those games the first

449
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: half of twenty twenty one, when he was a legitimate MVP.

450
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Speaker 1: Can I vividly remember on this podcast talking about his

451
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: performance that that Sunday and how he had found seven, eight,

452
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: nine different receivers and that that number of different targets

453
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Speaker 1: or completed passes to different receivers seemed to shrink in

454
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Speaker 1: the second half of the season. Would I would have

455
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Speaker 1: to look at that. I mean, I think it shrunk,

456
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Speaker 1: But I think it shrunk because you didn't you had

457
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: guys hurt or out rather than he was. I mean,

458
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: they used fewer guys if you look at the wide

459
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: receiver snaps. I mean, Antoine Wesley wasn't playing early in

460
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: the season, but when everybody was healthy, you you had

461
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: guys out there, and you had you were throwing a

462
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Speaker 1: Max Williams, and I would have to check on that.

463
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: I think he was still spreading it around. I mean,

464
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: you never got to the point really where he was

465
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: forced feeding the ball to one guy. I mean, zach

466
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Ertz was the top target down the last four to

467
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Speaker 1: six weeks, But I never got the sense of, like,

468
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's throwing to him every play. I mean,

469
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: I think they're bigger problem, and this kind of goes

470
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: back to it is their offense wasn't nearly as productive,

471
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Speaker 1: so you had that many fewer throws to be able

472
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Speaker 1: to deliver to that many different players. But I would

473
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Speaker 1: have to check on that. I agree with you that

474
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: it helped, that it spread it around, but in some

475
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: cases I it almost felt weird that, like you were

476
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Speaker 1: still trying to do that even though you had main

477
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Speaker 1: guys hurt, Like why wouldn't you try to get it

478
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Speaker 1: to let's say aj Green a little bit more rather

479
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: than just keep spreading it out to Antoine Wesley or

480
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Speaker 1: Greg Dortch. In truth, there there were limited options with

481
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Speaker 1: the injuries towards the end of the year, but you know,

482
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals offense was truly rolling, it just seemed

483
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: like he would have in completion of James Conner and

484
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds. Now those guys only played together what twice

485
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Speaker 1: over the last nine games and saw your article on

486
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Speaker 1: easy Cardinals dot com, so that limits things. He would

487
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: get the tight end involved. Obviously, the first half of

488
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: the season was Max Williams, the second half of the

489
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: season Zach Ertz. But then all four receivers who dressed

490
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: would get targets. It just seemed just seemed like the

491
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: ball was going to the second, third and fourth options

492
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: a little bit more in the second half of this

493
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: in the first half of the season versus the second half. Yeah,

494
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: but you don't even know who the second, third and

495
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: fourth options were in the end because you didn't know

496
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Speaker 1: who the first model was. Really well, it was like

497
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: it was just by committee at that point. It felt

498
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Speaker 1: like it. Well, and then that was part of the problem,

499
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: was did you have a legitimate number two receiver, you know,

500
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: and he certainly did have a legitimate number one receiver

501
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: minus d Hop, So the whole thing got got muddeled.

502
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Speaker 1: And the more I think about this season that was

503
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: I think about the Cardinals offense and absent d Hop,

504
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: it just how it changed coverage and Kyler never seemed

505
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: to be nearly as effective against coverages without d Hop

506
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: out there as winning was. So whether that's because he

507
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: was accustomed to seeing coverage would hop out there and

508
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: how they would play the Cardinals offense accordingly, I'm not

509
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Speaker 1: exactly sure whether it was to your point. And Patrick

510
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Mahomes said this going into the playoffs, when big adjustment

511
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: Kansas City had to make was that too high. Look

512
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: those shell coverages they were getting early in the season,

513
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: and they had to make some adjustments, and they put

514
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Speaker 1: it on Patrick Mahomes and company to go twelve, fifteen,

515
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Speaker 1: seventeen plays before they reached the end zone. And they're

516
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: challenging you, you know, for the unforced error. And the

517
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals too often, more often than not, over the second

518
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: half of the season, they were their own worst enemy.

519
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: And it was the self inflicted stuff. There's no doubt

520
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: about it. But with Joe Burrow going in the Super

521
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Speaker 1: Bowl against Matthew Stafford, which believe it or not, is

522
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: only the second time in Super Bowl history where two

523
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: former number one overall picks have squared off against each other?

524
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Speaker 1: Can you name the other one? Can you name the other? Supera?

525
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: But my son asked me the trivia question the other day,

526
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: so I already know the answer. I don't know the answer.

527
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: He was just on Saturday Night Live, one of the two.

528
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: He was good on Saturda Night Live, crushing, he crushed.

529
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: It was that that was a good, very good. It's

530
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: very good. He had some prompter eyes to begin, but

531
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: then he got rolling and he got very natural, and

532
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: it was it was and I and to be done live.

533
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: Remember that was Yeah, so it was Payton Manning against

534
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, and of course the Cam Newton super Bowl

535
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: was after they beat the Cardinals championship. Burrow would be

536
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: the first player to win National Championship, Heisman, and Super Bowl. Right,

537
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I haven't seen that either. So

538
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: that means if even if the Cardinals had won the

539
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, you still would have had the first time

540
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: two number one overall picks playing each other, because Carson Palmer,

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Speaker 1: that's right, You're right, absolutely right, So there you go.

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: Um you know, by the way, in the AFC Championship game,

543
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: speaking of funny, funny stuff to come across this like,

544
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were right. There was. I'm sure I

545
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: was right. There was the Peyton Manning Saturday. Yeah. Sorry,

546
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: it would be the first ever quarterback triple crown, is

547
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing online with the Super Bowl win, was right.

548
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: The only thing that was up there with the Peyton

549
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Manning performance in Sunday Live was the CBS halftime show

550
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: of the AFC Championship with Walker Hayes. Oh my goodness,

551
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Danny, I was howling at home and the

552
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: wife's like, why are you laughing so hard? Because I've

553
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: been there and done that, Because I've been there trying

554
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: to trying to hear myself, trying to hear the other

555
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: people on air, and and they've got those amps and

556
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: those speakers on the field at volume eleven, and while

557
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: they're brutal doing there, and it was pregame show, there

558
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: was nobody in the stadium. But for the Wildcard game,

559
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: the Rams decided to do the run through of the

560
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: halftime concert. And I'm trying to hear back Craig Grielo

561
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: back at the ranch while we're doing pregame, and I

562
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: couldn't hear squa. Yes. I don't know if it's because

563
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, if America has lost its collective hearing,

564
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: But it seems like all these stadiums are louder than

565
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: ever is because they have new audio systems. It's because

566
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: so far I stayed there. Even State Farm Stadium I

567
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: think upgraded its audio system a few years back. Everyone

568
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: just excited Paul decided to be back together. I mean,

569
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Speaker 1: I get chased into the tunnel more often than not

570
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: at halftime, just trying to try and hear myself, you know,

571
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's that or maybe it's

572
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: the old saying. If it's too loud, you're too old.

573
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe I need to face that

574
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: real worry about that, Paul. Everybody's saying you're too old regardless. Wow,

575
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm down over two on this one so far. Here, okay,

576
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: all right, so the volume went to ludicrous levels right

577
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: there on that one. How about the NFC Championship. Come on,

578
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: we're avoiding it because it was all NFC West. I mean,

579
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: how about the NFC Championship and the fact that had

580
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: All I know is I'm pulling for the Rams, who

581
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: all time are one and three and Super Bowls to

582
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: go one and four. I mean, come on, Joe Burrow.

583
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Not only a feel good story, but the whole Rams

584
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: game plan coming together and materializing, and we're playing the

585
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: super Bowl in our own building, and we're gonna go

586
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: all in and we're gonna put our chips in the

587
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: middle of the table. We're gonna make these trades and

588
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: mortgage the future and it's all gonna pay off right here.

589
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: It's all coming to fruition. And I don't like it.

590
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: You're a little salty, but I feel the same way. Okay,

591
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: so here's my question. Because I saw this come up.

592
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: It was only one or two people, so I feel

593
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: like most people feel my way. But there was there

594
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: was conversation of a Cardinals fan saying, why wouldn't you

595
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: root for the Rams? That's our division. It's like you

596
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: know you you you want to beat your brother, but

597
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: when your brother I goes to play somebody else to

598
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: take them on. But I was like, I don't get

599
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: that at all. It's the same concept that I don't

600
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: understand when somebody wants to tell me that I don't

601
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: know Washington is in the Rose Bowl against somebody, You're

602
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: rooting for Washington, right, Hell no, why would I root

603
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: for Washington? Why would I root for USC or cal

604
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: or whatever? No? And I don't even where do you big?

605
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Who is in your conference? When you were in school

606
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: the SEC? Were you in the SEC? Yeah? Missoo was

607
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: my freshman year, was the first year in the SEC. Okay,

608
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: I thought they moved since you who is Missoo's our tribal? Honestly,

609
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they have one at this point,

610
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Like it was Kansas Kansas for so long. Yeah, and

611
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: then we're just like never competitive to like have a

612
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: true rival, and actually I gotta I forgot they were

613
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: in the sea exactly exactly. But you're not going to

614
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: root Who would root for the Rams if you're a

615
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals fans other than the one person that I saw mentioning.

616
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: It's like if you have a ever went to a

617
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: Rose Ball if you're an ASU fan, would you ever

618
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: root for you of a in a Rose Bowl because

619
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: they're representing in the Pac twelve? No, of course you wouldn't. No,

620
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I totally agree with anything. No way. I mean,

621
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm mad that they got buildings downtown. I mean, you know,

622
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the alma mater has never been to a Rose Bowl

623
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Do you think I'm rooting for stink

624
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: in Stanford when they have gone there? You know that

625
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: Joe Cap is Joe Cap in the late fifties. Okay,

626
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: let me tell you guys. I was also before Danny

627
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: was born. Yeah, thankfully before my time too. Would it

628
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: be something if Tampa hosts the Super Bowl and they win,

629
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: and then the Rams host the Super Bowl and they win.

630
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: When you say something, is that a synonym for sucks?

631
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you mean by that? It would

632
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: be something stink? Is this good? Olmen? Since the next

633
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is at State from Stadium, would this be

634
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: a sign that the Cardinals. I don't want to jinx anything, right,

635
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Could that be good? Omen? Apparently we have not spent

636
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: enough time together. I know you don't believe in Yeah,

637
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: there can be coincidences. Coincidence would actually mean that they

638
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: happen to happen at the same time and they would

639
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: have no relation other than whatever. Just don't confuse coincidence

640
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Speaker 1: with ironing. Yeah, I don't want to get into that. Well, look,

641
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly hoping, but but are you going to tell

642
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: me that if the Rams lose the Super Bowl as

643
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: opposed to win it, that will have absolutely any impact

644
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: on whether the Cardinals playing the Super Bowl next? Trying

645
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: to push your buttons, it's working well, okay, so here,

646
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: so you know, Darren's not going to go with the

647
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: whole emotional element of it. Danny, you have to you

648
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: have to phrase the question differently. The question to Darren

649
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: should be should the Arizona Cardinals follow the same game

650
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: plan and blueprint as the La Rams in the Tampa

651
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers to a lesser degree and mortgage the future

652
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: El Grande to aim for Super Bowl fifty seven to

653
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: host it in their own building. Twenty twenty three is

654
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: great question that becomes the question do you go into

655
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: this offseason? Spent this whole podcast on this question, and

656
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: you know it's one we can debate literally until early

657
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: March or mid March or whenever they start pulling the

658
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: trigger on the thing. That podcast that would probably be

659
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: longer than most people would want to listen to. Maybe maybe,

660
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: But there's there's one team in the NFC West. Go,

661
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: there's one team in the NFC West with a first

662
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: round pick? Correct? Yes? Should the Cardinals leverage that pick?

663
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Should the Cardinals trade that pick away future gains to

664
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: serve the immediate needs? Should that first round pick go

665
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: out the door to some team? For oh, I don't know,

666
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl receiver to go along with DeAndre Hopkins.

667
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're for me, if the Cowboys are

668
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: going to trade away Zach Martin, a Pro Bowl guard,

669
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: would you do make that happen? For first twenty three?

670
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: For number twenty three overall? How old is Zach Martin?

671
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Former Cowboys reporter see on the back end of his

672
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: career with the Cowboys. Give him up. But I would

673
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: absolutely love to have Zach Martin. I would. But the thing,

674
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if you when I figured out that the

675
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: Cardinals were picking twenty three overall, I went go looking

676
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: at twenty three overall like the last fifteen twenty years.

677
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: I don't like the look on your face? Not good?

678
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would pick. Yeah. I would absolutely be

679
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: open to that, to that idea where this is all

680
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: depending on what free agents. I would want to know

681
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get, I mean, who I'm asking you.

682
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it's part of a bigger package. I mean, if

683
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: you trade your number one and something else for something

684
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't like, what are you targeting? What would be

685
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: worth giving away, trading away your first round pick when

686
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: you look at the Cardinals wants and needs. Gonna tell

687
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: me right now, For me, it would not be It

688
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: would not be for a number two receiver or a

689
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: code number one receiver. For me, it would be a

690
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: number one cornerback. It would be an edge rusher. It

691
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: might be a high level interior alignment, but it would

692
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: have to be high level. Those would probably be what

693
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm willing to spend my first round pick for. That's

694
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, if but any position is in

695
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: play depending on who the players. Because the other thing

696
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: is is when you start talking about again, when you

697
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: start talking about established players and bringing them in, you're

698
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: giving up a chance to have cost control over wherever

699
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: that first round pick is. And you got to make

700
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: the right pick over somebody that's probably already either making

701
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of money or is at the end of

702
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: their contract and is looking for a lot of money,

703
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to give them a lot to

704
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: keep them around for more than one season. Allah Chandler Jones,

705
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that, but you've got to figure

706
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: some stuff out. As of this recording, the Cardinals are

707
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: over the cap for next year, so they're going to

708
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: have to figure some stuff out anyways, and they're and

709
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't count all the free agents they have. All

710
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: that matters is making it work for two thousand and

711
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: twenty two. All those other issues are two thousand and

712
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: twenty three problems because you're all in on this next

713
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: season because you're hosting the Super Bowl. That's the mentality.

714
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: I love it, Paul, you should be the hype man

715
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I'm just saying that's what you're

716
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: looking at. If the NFL is a copycat league. Oh

717
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: hype man that you said, height man, easy, easy, wow. Ok,

718
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: it's a guy who's well over six foot with shots

719
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: at diminutive Americans. Mark that down. I just I'm in

720
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: one of those moods, Paul, I apologize. He's a little

721
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: salting ah. You know he's not going to Vegas? Is that?

722
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: Why did I strike a nerve off the topic? Underground?

723
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you guys said we got

724
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: to take the emotion out of it, and I'm like, oh,

725
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: I am as emotional right now with some of this stuff. Darren,

726
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Do you do you do you need to climb into

727
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: the trust tree? Is there something on your mind you

728
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: need to get oh know what it is? Maybe? Well,

729
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's I haven't been on Twitter enough, so I

730
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: haven't been able to be really snarky and sarcastic. So

731
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: I have to bring it all in here. Need more

732
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: mail bags? No, I gotta kind of be careful about that.

733
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: I dialed back a couple of my answers that I

734
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: posted today. I went and looked at him again. I'm like, man,

735
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of I'm gonna kind of mute that

736
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I didn't take them all the

737
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: way out, but I made them a little nicer than

738
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: they were when I originally wrote them. There, and it's

739
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: the off season. I mean, you know, go double barreled

740
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: on the on the mail bag, you know, honestly, you

741
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: know they've got a whole offseason to recover. I mean,

742
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: come on, you know there's nothing wrong with that, you know,

743
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he turned them into JAKUASKI tart

744
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: it wo dropped that stink in the interception as I

745
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: mean that is, Oh, let's let's ask Okay, I've never

746
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: really know, like, how how were your emotions? You're a

747
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: guy that grew up in the Bay Area. Okay, watched

748
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Joe Montana? How are you feeling about how that game

749
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: turned out? Honestly, because of what we do for a living,

750
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm really not a fan much anymore except with the

751
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: matter at times. That's about it. So you know, I

752
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: sort of watched games and I got the golf clap

753
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: going here and there, and i'd probably been conditioned by

754
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: the press box. You're not supposed to that, you know,

755
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: And after this minute, Dannie'll learn this eventually. Yeah, it

756
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: takes a little liet. It does so. But there were

757
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: two factors that really had me all of a sudden

758
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: recapturing my youth. It was a midlife crisis of sorts.

759
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Danny in my living room watching the forty nine Ers game,

760
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: becoming a Niners fan again for two reasons. Number one,

761
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: I can't stand the Rams and their stinking plan is

762
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: coming to fruition, as I already detailed. Number two, I've

763
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: got a brother and an uncle who are blatant, flagrant

764
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: bandwagon jumpers who live in southern California, and they jumped

765
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: the Rams bandwagon. They barely they're on, they barely know

766
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: a football from a foosball, and all of a sudden

767
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: they're the biggest Rams fans ever and they're talking trash

768
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: and texting. They got a text ring going. So now

769
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm really pulling full of forty nine ers. And when

770
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: your quas guitar drop at interception, oh my goodness, that

771
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: was like a flyball to center field. What are you

772
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: doing on that? I yelled the same thing, and it

773
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: could have been in a I didn't really care that

774
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: it was forty nine Ers or Rams that kind of stuff.

775
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you? How do you mess that up?

776
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: In fact after the game where it was his quote.

777
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean he put it on himself and and he said,

778
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, um right, the easy and here was I

779
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: see the ball and I'm like, he bleeped up, We're

780
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: about to win this game, he said to Matthew Stafford.

781
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Hit my hands and I thought I had it and

782
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: then I don't know how I dropped it. I didn't

783
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: drop a ball in practice all week. The moment of

784
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: truth showed up, and I didn't step up, said Dr

785
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: klass Guitart. So he's pretty dag honest. I give him

786
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: props for he tweeted right after the game, and I

787
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: do give him big props for that. But that's what's

788
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: interesting in the analytics crowd won't like this, all right,

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Attention Kyle Odegar. When the Rams trailed seventeen seven late

790
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: third quarter in the Rams locker room, they all cited

791
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: the key was Aaron Donald, not his play, but a

792
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: sideline speech that Aaron Donald gay because he doesn't do

793
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of talking. He does I can feel Kyle

794
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: as we speak. Yeah, the words I disagree are about

795
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: to just that. I'm visioning those already. But he rallied

796
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the defense and according to his teammates. Aaron Donald's message was,

797
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: let us be the reason we win this game, and

798
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: would you believe that after that point in the game

799
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: going into the fourth quarter, the Rams d did not

800
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: allow the Niners to cross midfield on their final three possessions,

801
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: while the Rams offense put up points on their final

802
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: three possessions in one twenty to seventeen. And after the game,

803
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: everybody credited Aaron Donald in that speech and rallying the

804
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: guys and boom, there you go. They're in the super Bowl.

805
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: I just find it hard to cheer for them because

806
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: they're in the division. I mean, I feel like we

807
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't need to know this was a great division. We

808
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: don't need the Rams to win to feel validated in that.

809
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. It's just kind of like,

810
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe all these big marquee names they brought in,

811
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: older veterans, you know, given away their future draft picks,

812
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: and it's paying off for them. You just got through

813
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: saying you wanted the Cardinals to do the same thing.

814
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily said it was a great question and

815
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: for the right like player, right position. I just why

816
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: are you rolling your eyes of me? I'm not I'm

817
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: not rolling. This would be rolling my eyes. I just

818
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: kind of glanced at you. But oh boy, the starter

819
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: not not to actually get into the XS and oas,

820
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: but how is the Deebo Samuel doesn't get a touch

821
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: over the final twelve plus minutes of the game, Like,

822
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, what's going on there? You know, I'm glad

823
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: you brought that up, not that specific thing, but just

824
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: in general, because I was. I was texting with a

825
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: media cohort of mine that I often do during games

826
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. And it's interesting because I think about what

827
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: is said about, for instance, Cliff Kingsbury during games and

828
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: what I see on Twitter and end up playing out

829
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: in real time. And obviously Twitter is a whole different

830
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: thing because now you have fans in the stands and

831
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: or fans watching TV, and what's upon a time they

832
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: were screaming at the field or the next person next

833
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to him if you're in the stands, or at the

834
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: TV at home, and that's as far as it went.

835
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: And now they all can go put their views on

836
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: blast at cards chatter apparently and complain about these things

837
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: or at the team's handle. And I watch Sean McVay

838
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: screwing up all his timeouts. And I watch Kyle Shanahan

839
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: not going forward on fourth down when it takes the

840
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Rams like two plays to make up the yardage that

841
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: they lost on the punt right back over? So what

842
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: were you doing? And I think to myself, and you

843
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: can do this. Look, there are good coaches and there

844
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: are bad coaches. I am not saying that, and I'm

845
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: not saying Sean McVay is a bad coach by any

846
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: stretch or Kyle Shanahan is, but this idea that any

847
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: coach isn't screwing up stuff in game every game, every

848
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: coach does. I guarantee you I can go find every

849
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: single coach does it. Belichick does it. They all do it. Now,

850
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you can complain about how much it's happening or exactly

851
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: how it's happening, But you just brought up a great example.

852
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: There isn't there are so many fans all why can't

853
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury be more like Kyle Shanahan, blah blah blah blah.

854
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: And then you just got through saying their best offensive

855
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: player didn't get a touch over. However, many last twelve

856
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: plus minutes of the game, minutes Deebo Samuel did not

857
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: touch the ball. Things happen in games. Players screw up,

858
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: they're not gonna play perfect. Coaches screw up. They're not

859
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: going to coach perfect. Pretty sure, Fans screw up. They're

860
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: not gonna fan perfect. Yeah, I mean, if you take

861
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: the risk, people are gonna be mad. You're not conservative, right,

862
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: I think of the Dallas game, Cowboys not having a

863
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: timeout to check challenge and what probably would have been

864
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: overturned that turn of the fumbles. Yep. But then it's

865
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: also okay, well, if you're conservative, well why don't you

866
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: take the risk? Why did you go for two here

867
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: instead of extra point? Like it you can't win. You

868
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: can't win now with like the age of social media,

869
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Like it's just no. But going back to your thing,

870
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I you would think you'd want to get

871
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Debo involved, but again we don't know. We don't know

872
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: exactly what the Rams were doing to take Debo away either. True.

873
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: So I mean conversely, like you know, if you want

874
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: me to continue, because I will. What were the Niners

875
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: doing with single coverage on Cooper Cup so often, including

876
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: that eleven yard touchdown Kwan Williams in space? Single coverage

877
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: against Cup. Of course, Matthew Stafford's going to Cooper Cup

878
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even close. I just when Cooper Cup

879
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: gets off for eleven catches a buck forty two and

880
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and ob J had nine grams for one

881
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen. Something's wrong with your coverage, Ski, I

882
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: know those guys are excellent receivers. I get it. Here's

883
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: the thing on that, Paul, you got to take one

884
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: or the other away. I don't disagree you got to

885
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: take one of the other way. But again, and I

886
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: part part part of the reason I want to keep

887
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: bringing this back to Cardinal stuff is so you know,

888
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: if you're Cardinals fan listening to this podcast. But again,

889
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: when we went through two thousand and eight, Paul, how

890
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: the hell did Lair Fitzgerald light up every single one

891
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: of those four playoff opponents? How is that even possible? Ye?

892
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: How is that even possible? But he did? Ye? Everybody

893
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: knew it was coming and he still lit him up.

894
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes the other players just better. Well. And then the

895
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: trivia question here it is, name the two NFL head

896
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: coaches who have lost four conference championship games at home?

897
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: Two NFL one just did it Andy Reid. So Andy Reid,

898
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: that's the fourth championship game conference championship game he's lost

899
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: at home between the Chiefs and the Eagles. There was

900
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: another one. Are you talking about like him as an

901
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: individual wherever he's been, not just like the total career

902
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: coaching record named the other head coach, which, by the way,

903
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: I would kill to be in four conference champions and

904
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: that doesn't even count the ones that he won. Right,

905
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: So to Darren's point, there there are some elite Hall

906
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: of Fame coaches who have had plenty of down moments

907
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: and losses and bad was the other coach? It's Bill Coward.

908
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't have thought of that yet I

909
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have either, and so um they had that on

910
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: ESPN or Rex Ryan don't play, So there you go,

911
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Rex Ryan's like you know, and

912
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: and like Rex, you only wish you got to four

913
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: conference championship games? Or do you if you're if you're

914
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: the Bills, do you wish you ever made it to

915
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: all those Super Bowls? Right? Exactly? So, No, I don't

916
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: think so. So what do you make of the NFC landscape?

917
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: Is the other question? Look, we can talk about the

918
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals approach the rest of this offseason, but Danny, think

919
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: about the NFC landscape. Okay, what exactly is going to

920
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: be the aftermath for the Rams because they got a

921
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: lot of bills come and do with this team. The

922
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Seahawks looks like I think we all expect them to

923
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: stick with Russell Wilson, but there seems to be a

924
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: lot of chatter from Team Russ that he doesn't want

925
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: to be in Seattle anymore. Do they pull some sort

926
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: of blockbuster trade and does someone make the Seahawks an

927
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: offer they can't refuse. They don't have very many first

928
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: round picks in their near future, and then the forty

929
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: nine ers are going to hit the reset button to

930
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: some degree with Trey Lance, is the expectation. Now, look

931
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: at the rest of the conference with Tom Brady out

932
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: of Tampa, and where's Aaron Rodgers going, if anywhere? I

933
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: doubt he's leaving Buddy might and so all of a sudden,

934
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: the NFC could look different, which once again might fuel

935
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: your mentality that the time is now if you're the

936
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, not only all these quarterbacks, but coaching changes. Two.

937
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: I think in the NFC, like, I think a lot

938
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: of teams are going to look very, very different. And

939
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: you're right if this Cardinals team can have enough consistency

940
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff, with its core players, and you

941
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: can find a way to build off of what they started.

942
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's momentum going from one season into

943
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the other, but when you're looking with Cliff Kingsbury in

944
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: the last three years, how this team has progressed, What

945
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: can you continue? What can you look at from this season?

946
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: Say you know what, this did not work for us.

947
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: You know it worked the front half of the season.

948
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: It was not sustainable. This just wasn't working for us.

949
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: What can we change? And I think you're right. I

950
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: think this is the time to where you have enough

951
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: players that are carrying over but are still young, so

952
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: you have to I would agree. I think this is

953
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: this is a time a lot of people on the field,

954
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: to whatever capacity that might be, are I don't want

955
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: to say improve it deals, but pretty close right. Yeah. See,

956
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to me, it's going to come down to and it's

957
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: funny that you bring up the quarterback. It'll come down

958
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: how Kyler plays. That's my opinion. You have a chance

959
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: to be in the upper echelon in the NFC. If

960
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: he plays like the quarterback he expects himself to be that,

961
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: the Cardinals expect him to be, et cetera, et cetera,

962
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, he needs players around him. But I think

963
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks can overcome that. I don't think Aaron

964
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: rodd If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I don't want to leave

965
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: the NFC because all the good quarterbacks are in the AFC,

966
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: all the best quarterbacks in my opinion, and the Packers

967
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think are gonna want to put him anywhere

968
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: in the NFC. That would be dumb. So I don't

969
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: think he's going anywhere. And you have some openings. I mean,

970
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: if you're Jerry Jones and Danny's former team, I'm like,

971
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: you got to be thinking, how do we not make

972
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: a run at this thing next year? I mean, it

973
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: does feel very wide open. The Lance thing is going

974
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: to be fascinating. You know, the forty nine ers have

975
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: some good skill guys. I like Deebo Samuel. I think

976
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan does, for the most part, have a very

977
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: good offense. It'll be interesting to see how that offense

978
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: offense evolves if it can with Trey Lance, because I

979
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: think part of the reason he was conservative was he

980
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: didn't trust Jimmy g But I don't know how you

981
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: trust Trey Lance in his first full season, per se.

982
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: Not when you have a defense like that. Does the

983
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: defense hold up? You know? And again all of this

984
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: goes back to what we're saying again, which is can

985
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: you stay healthy too? I mean, all it takes is

986
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: one injury to change the whole deal. I'm looking the

987
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: numbers from the Cardinals Week five win against the forty

988
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: nine ers, which was the only game that Trey Lance started.

989
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Play the entire game fifteen or twenty nine one two

990
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: zero touchdowns. Remember, he had the early pick the first

991
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: possession Buddha Baker. He air mailed the receiver down the seam.

992
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: But he had a team high eighty nine yards rushing

993
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: five point five yards to carry for Trey Lance. So

994
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: to Darren's point, how different well the nine er defense. Look,

995
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: Cardinals won that game seventeen ten, and they needed every

996
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: bit of Isaiah Simmons and Tanner Vallejo to make a

997
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: touchdown saving tackle at the pylon. That was a very

998
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: key playing that. But if you look at the Cardinals

999
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: sold the division games. They division is six division games

1000
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: last year. Take those out of the equation. Think of

1001
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: the change the Cardinals are going to encounter now at home.

1002
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna have Kansas City that'll stay static and the Chargers,

1003
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: but Tampa's gonna have a new quarterback. New Orleans will

1004
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: have a new head coach and probably a new quarterback

1005
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: or which one of the four started this? I mean,

1006
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: is Jamis Winston coming back? I don't know. The Eagles

1007
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: say they're sticking with Jalen Hurts. I'll believe them until

1008
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: they show otherwise. And then on the road you're going

1009
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, what exactly is that? You know Matt Ryan again?

1010
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: Carolina is gonna have a new quarterback. You would think

1011
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: if they have Sam Darnold, then can you play that

1012
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: game early? Get that out of Vegas? All right? You're

1013
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: gonna have a new head coach there. Denver is gonna

1014
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: have a new head coach obviously and a new quarterback perhaps,

1015
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: and then Minnesota's an avenue coach. So it's gonna be

1016
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: different for the Cardinals. And a lot of times change

1017
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: represents opportunity, and especially if you can get some of

1018
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: these teams with a new head coach and or a

1019
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: new quarterback earlier in your schedule, all the better before

1020
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: they figure a few things out. Even Cincinnati was seven

1021
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: and six at one point. Think about that, and then

1022
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: they went on a run at the end of the

1023
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: year and look at them. They're in super Bowl fifty six.

1024
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Cincinnati had the same odds to win

1025
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl as Jacksonville when the season started. And

1026
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: now I'll look at him. Is that is that accurate?

1027
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: That could be? Could be? They won six games last

1028
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: year two of the year before that, well, the odds

1029
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: were better that the Texans would make the Super Bowl

1030
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: before the season. And the Bengals. All you know is

1031
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: they got a buddy of mine who he just he

1032
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: just falls into wins in life. I mean, you know.

1033
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: And and this guy he doesn't know sports very much.

1034
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: Some guy in his office because now that sports gambling

1035
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: is legal in Arizona, said, okay, after the first round

1036
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, they reset the odds. The Bengals were

1037
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: still eighteen to one shots to win the Super Bowl.

1038
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: And he just said, okay, you know, I just give

1039
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: me the longest long shot at this point in the playoffs,

1040
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: who is it? It's the Bengals. They were still eighteen

1041
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: to one. He threw down one hundred bucks. That would

1042
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: be not bad, not bad, just out of nowhere two

1043
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: weeks ago, threw down one hundred bucks. That'd be a nice.

1044
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: Zach Kerr gets a chance to play the Rams twice

1045
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. That's about that. That is great. I

1046
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: love Zach Kerr. The super Bowl is the Zach Kerr

1047
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: revenge super Bowl. You beat me in the wild Card

1048
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: while I'm playing for the Bengals. Now I'm gonna beat

1049
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: the Rams a second time. Get a ring as a

1050
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: car guy. What I love about Zach Kerr what I

1051
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: think of first, it is his first time around, his

1052
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: first iteration with the Cardinals. He was driving a Ferrari

1053
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I walked up to him. I said, Zach,

1054
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: you got the Ferrari. He smiled. I said yeah, did

1055
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: you see that? I said yeah, I said, I live

1056
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: vicariously through other guys car collections. Don't mind me, but

1057
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question. How the heck is

1058
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman? You fit in that thing as a

1059
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: guy with an Italian last name. They were made for

1060
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: guys like me. How do you Finiss like, oh no,

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00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: it's no problem. He's all my buddies, Like a car

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00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: dealer got me a great deal on it. He sold

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00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: her for a lot more than he bought it for

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00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: and drove her for like three years. He told me

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00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: the story on the road in La and and so

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00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: that's why I always think of him. I mean, he's

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00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: so this isn't the first time that Zach Kurrs pulled

1068
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: a shrewd move like that. That's all I'm saying. Stut

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00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: has a track record. He knows where to be, him

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00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: and Eric Weddle exactly. Yeah, he's in a minivan, which

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00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: Paul does not like versus Ferrari. They're both playing in

1072
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. You know he shouldn't have been. Look,

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00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: you better be a leading tackler on an NFL roster

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00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: to drive a minivan. I mean, you know, honestly, you

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00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: know that that that's the only thing that can counter

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00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: the you know, the image hit of driving the minivan.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say on that one. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: what else do we miss here on this edition of

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground? As I flipped through some of what you

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00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: you have here on the docket, Darren would we were

1081
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: worried we weren't even going to make an hour today,

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00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: and now maybe we will head all the way through March.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, everybody. M Danny just putting us on our shoulders.

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00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: And so I was saying, everybody like listening, like we

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00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: got you an hour. So Danny, now that we're an

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00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: hour into this, all right, and uh, you know, we

1087
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: can say we always save the really good stuff, all right,

1088
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: the sensational stuff right for the very the TMZ stuff,

1089
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: because that's what greet is all about. We saved that

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00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: for the very end. What's on the docket in Vegas?

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00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: We know all the great Pro Bowl coverage that's gonna come, Viasy,

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com and all the platforms, but above and

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00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: beyond work, what is on the dock and in Vegas?

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00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: Do tell I feel like we don't have I don't

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: have anything like super exciting plan. I was thinking. I

1096
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: was like buying that. No. No, I was thinking today

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00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: I need to look at like what shows are going

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00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: on and all that stuff to like go try and

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00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: find out night. Look, I'm not a big Vegas person,

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00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: so like I don't know what's going on over there.

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00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna be there for jeez, five days. Five days. Yeah,

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00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I better be working because I can tell you when

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00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: you go there for me if I'm going there for

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00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: pleasure and not work. I got two nights max. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm very excited. It's my first

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00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl to go cover. Um, it's gonna be a

1107
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: lot of fun. We've got DJ Humphreys is now going,

1108
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, Kyler Murray, James Connor, Chandler Jones. Great, great group.

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Speaker 1: So we will be out there for practice talking to players,

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00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: saying hide all the fans that are out there traveling,

1111
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: be there out for the game. So lots of coverage

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: on easy Cardinals dot com. And if anybody has recommendations

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: on shows to look out here we go, hit me up.

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00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: Let me know what I need to see, all right,

1115
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: drop your Twitter handles, going to go to the X. Well,

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: you know the only time I've ever I've ever been

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00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I don't know if it technically counts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My birthday is like always around spring break, and I

1119
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: have two sisters, and so I was the last who

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: never really got like a one on one trip with

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00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: my parents. So when I turned twenty one, first Spring break.

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: They took me to Vegas, which was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: But I got a very different twenty first birthday Vegas

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: experience probably most people, but we did. We did all

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00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: the shows, We saw Elton John which was amazing, and

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: we did all of that kind of fun stuff. So

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00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: that to me, like, I'm not a big Vegas person.

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a big Vegas person anymore either anymore. He says,

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Speaker 1: I've got some stories I could tell, but I'm not

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00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: going to. I have a work related one that I'm

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00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: really not gonna Maybe I'll tell you off the air,

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00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: and then everybody's gonna be like, come on, Darren, you

1133
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: gotta say it on the podcast. I'm like, Nope, that's

1134
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. I just I'm trying to figure out,

1135
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, where where are the where it was in

1136
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: the budget? A five day trip to the Pro Bowl.

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00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, that got a game. Wow. Okay

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00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: they're driving driving yea well, just going with the same

1139
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: attitude that I saw the new Bears jam Ryan Poles.

1140
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: Did you see his commented the podium when he took

1141
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: the Bears job. Did you see the comment he dropped

1142
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: you they're gonna take back the North, and my mind

1143
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: immediately went and never give it back. My mind went

1144
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: to Game of Thrones, King of the North. Good's the

1145
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: best par if If Rogers leaves Green Bay, oh gosh,

1146
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: it's open, they might see My first thought. Danny thought

1147
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. I thought Aaron Rodgers and his next

1148
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: touchdown he scores, and what he's gonna shout It'll be

1149
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: some sort of iteration of no, you're not taking the North.

1150
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: It's still mine and I'm not giving it back. Like

1151
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: that'll be the next Aaron Rodgers trash talk when he

1152
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: gets into the end zone as Soldier Field. You know what, though,

1153
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: when you're going to Chicago, you gotta come in with

1154
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: some confidence. I can't say I necessarily blame him. Go

1155
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: in with confidence without saying we're gonna take over the

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: division and never give it back. Something. We live in

1157
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: an era of receipts, Danny and everybody keeps them. The

1158
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: other one is I'm looking it up right now, and

1159
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: you guys stopped talking, so I don't enough time to

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: google Google. But it was the Lane Kiffin comment when

1161
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: he took over his Raiders head coach for all about

1162
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: eight months before he got fired remember Lane Kiffin at

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: the introductory press conference, We're going to have an unstoppable offense,

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00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: and he made all these other ridiculous proclamations about how

1165
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: the Raiders offense is going to be a juggernaut, and

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00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: they went out and went three and thirteen that year

1167
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: or something absurd, But he made all these ridiculous always fun,

1168
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: very bad, very bad. So Denny Green talked about high

1169
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: performance helicopters, right and almost bread or whatever. So looking

1170
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: on or Tom Brady, you know you never heard Tommy.

1171
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: You never heard Tommy say anything inappropriate or any sort

1172
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: of bolden board materially at the podium, but on the field,

1173
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: the microphones would catch him talking trash and being competitive

1174
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: and and smashing tablets on the bench. And so foresunately,

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00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I just gotta know where to channel it. What does

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00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: this mean for Gronk? H he's done, he doesn't want

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00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: to play with It's gonna be one hell of a

1178
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame class that year. If Adrian Peterson and

1179
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: Gronk retire and Roethlisberger and Brady, did Gronk make the

1180
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl? I don't think so, but he might be

1181
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: there for on some sort of corporate you know, sponsorship,

1182
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 1: endorsement things. So Danny, what you need to do, here's

1183
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: your freak. Just find whatever party Gronk is going to.

1184
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: That'll be the place to be in Vegas. That will

1185
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: be the place to be wherever Gronk is hanging out.

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: That's even at his age these days. Yeah, all right,

1187
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: that's good. You know, maybe next time we'll find the

1188
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: reason behind darren salty mood today. He's not willing to reveal.

1189
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly why. I don't think there's any

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: particular reason. I just felt good to everyone. Go on

1191
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: Twitter and give Darren some nice words of encouragement. Let

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: him know how much you love him and his coverage. Danny,

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01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: just send him pictures from Vegas. I'm sure that'll frighten

1194
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: his mood quite a bit. Okay, as we say, yeah,

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01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: so there you go. We got the juxtaposition of Danny

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Speaker 1: and Darren here on this episode of Cardinals Underground, brought

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