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Speaker 2: more to the story behind game changing events? Get ready

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Speaker 2: for my new podcast, That Moment with Damon John will

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Speaker 2: So when you think of the most successfully YouTubers, do

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Speaker 2: for you. He's an award winning podcast and social media star.

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Speaker 2: Cody co has cracked the code to building a community

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Speaker 1: How you doing good man? Thanks for having me. Nice

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Speaker 1: He was in it. We just all did an Ironman

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Speaker 1: together last year. My dad is sixty one now I

435
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Speaker 1: think my mom's fifty eight or fifty nine or something.

436
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Speaker 2: Iron Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's that was their like twentieth. It

438
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Speaker 1: was my first, and they were nice enough to like

439
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Speaker 1: do it with me, to like support me. But yeah,

440
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Speaker 1: it's so growing up, this was like the norm for me.

441
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Speaker 1: It was like you you know, this is like my

442
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: parents would go out and train for hours every day

443
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Speaker 1: and then it was just normal for me to like

444
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Speaker 1: kind of so I think that kind of instilled in

445
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Speaker 1: me a deep yearning for personal growth. And I think

446
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: that like lives in tandem very nicely with figuring out

447
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: you know, career growth or I guess, like where you

448
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: go when you know it's sunny out, but you want

449
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: to build an umbrella? Why do you want to do

450
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: that because you want to challenge yourself, I think, and

451
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Speaker 1: I always have that in the back of my mind,

452
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Speaker 1: like that is kind of what fulfills me, is like, Okay,

453
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Speaker 1: this is going really well, but I want to figure

454
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Speaker 1: out what makes music good? How do how do I

455
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Speaker 1: make great music? I want to feel some success in

456
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Speaker 1: that realm because it's just a fun learning experience. I

457
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Speaker 1: love learning, and so I really lean into that, and

458
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Speaker 1: I lean into the naivete that like a new comer

459
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Speaker 1: has to any sort of field and I think you

460
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: have to. Yeah, So that like honestly just like makes

461
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Speaker 1: me happy. That would be like the simplest answer is that,

462
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Speaker 1: like kind of challenging my self makes me happy. And

463
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: what that manifests as is career growth because it's like, sure,

464
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Speaker 1: we have a podcast that's doing really well, what's the

465
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: next thing. Well, it's trying to build a business out

466
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Speaker 1: of that. Like let's try and be let's take all

467
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Speaker 1: this money that we were just splitting at the end

468
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Speaker 1: of the year and you know, taking as a dividend

469
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Speaker 1: and put it back into the company and hire some

470
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Speaker 1: people and try to grow this as a living, breathing

471
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Speaker 1: thing that someday will outlive us. I think that sounds

472
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Speaker 1: really exciting that just having a podcast that's successful for

473
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Speaker 1: ten years, because that gets old.

474
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Speaker 2: Does it? What? Could it be painful? I'm curious. I'm

475
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Speaker 2: really curious about this. We're going down a whole another

476
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Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Could it be? When? When do you know

477
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Speaker 2: how to create the balance of it? Because with your

478
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: parents being such accomplished people, I don't even want to

479
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Speaker 2: ask what they do for business because that's probably you know,

480
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: they probably don't know how to cut it off, or

481
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Speaker 2: they do know how to cut off. Excuse me, I

482
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Speaker 2: actually tell you that truth. Where do you find the balance?

483
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Speaker 2: Because to be such hard chargers as Oh yeah, I'm

484
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Speaker 2: sixty something, I'm just iron man with you. What are

485
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Speaker 2: we talking about here? I mean, I you know, there's

486
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: either shit, I've done it fifteen twenty times, or where's

487
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Speaker 2: I want to go and build something and do the

488
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Speaker 2: Guinness Book World Record? And here's what I'm getting at

489
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Speaker 2: one of my sharks, Robert Fellow, Shark Canadian, he said,

490
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Speaker 2: he called up David Goggins. You know, are you familiar

491
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Speaker 2: with David? Yeah? Yeah, we all love David. I mean,

492
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Speaker 2: and he said, you know, I don't want to take

493
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Speaker 2: the steam out of it. But he said, called it David,

494
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Speaker 2: and said they went to dinner. And Robert is a

495
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Speaker 2: very very disciplined man. This man runs five ten miles.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he'll tell the story of how

497
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Speaker 2: he looks for marathons sometimes and he just gets on

498
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Speaker 2: the jets and finds a random marathon somewhere and just

499
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Speaker 2: runs it. And halfway through he realized he made a

500
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Speaker 2: really bad decision because he didn't crane at all. Right,

501
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Speaker 2: called it David, And.

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Speaker 1: I would love to be that to just private jets

503
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Speaker 1: to a to a marathon that's happening tomorrow and be like, oh,

504
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Speaker 1: to do a marathon.

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Speaker 2: He said, it's California one day and found Americtha, Oh

506
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Speaker 2: it's in Arizona. Wait, and then he flies to Arizona

507
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Speaker 2: really quick. You know, it's like on a Friday, it's

508
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Speaker 2: a marathon. He runs, he goes Saturday, hasn't ran from it,

509
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Speaker 2: you know, because he does five to ten miles in

510
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Speaker 2: the middle of Arizona, runs the marathon, no problem, mile five,

511
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Speaker 2: great mile ten, great mile sixteen. Everything locks up on

512
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Speaker 2: him in the middle of the desert in Arizona. Eighty

513
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Speaker 2: year old trained women running by him. He's hitchhiking. People

514
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Speaker 2: pull over in the car pick him up. The family's driving.

515
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Speaker 2: He's an old station wagon or something, and they're looking

516
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Speaker 2: in the back. He's like, they're dead. They're driving going,

517
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Speaker 2: aren't you. Robert from Shark Tank, you know, called it.

518
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Speaker 2: David Goggin goes to dinner with him and talks to David,

519
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Speaker 2: and of course David is the ultimate we all know,

520
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: Navy only person to be a Navy seal and a ranger.

521
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Speaker 2: And he say yes, and he's talking and David is

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Speaker 2: He's like, what do you do for fun? He was like,

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Speaker 2: me and three other guys and go to Vancouver. You know,

524
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: we jump out of planes with a shovel and we

525
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: fight fire, forest fires for four months. That's what you

526
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Speaker 2: do for fun. So I look him up, and you know,

527
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Speaker 2: I look up his Instagram. His wife is following him

528
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: in a ranger over. He looks like, you know, he's

529
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Speaker 2: running in the middle of the night, and he got

530
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Speaker 2: like a shovel in his hand if you go, and

531
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Speaker 2: he got a backpack and he's like, oh, David, and

532
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: the guys is celebrating, you know, end of the season.

533
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Speaker 2: And he's now at his twenty six mile running. He's

534
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: been running since, you know, eight o'clock at night. It's

535
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Speaker 2: like three in the morning, and that's what he does

536
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Speaker 2: for fun. And David says to Robert, if you don't

537
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Speaker 2: have pain, you don't have joy. Robert's like, oh, you

538
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: know dinner, I have this and that. What do you want, David?

539
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: One piece of letterce, have a chicken breast no skin. Yeah,

540
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: oh I don't have a little tequila and something. What

541
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Speaker 2: do you want, David? Have a glass of warm water only? Yeah.

542
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Speaker 1: It's like, where is the joy? You gotta have a

543
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Speaker 1: joy at some point.

544
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Speaker 2: It can't be all pain. Robers like, check please, And

545
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm scared. How do you cut it off? Because I'm

546
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: the same, you know, and a lot of times that

547
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: you find very successful people whatever you believe successes, they

548
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: go very hard on what they have and the reason

549
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: why you look at so many successful people. We can't

550
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: cut it off. How do you cut it off? Because

551
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: you're younger than me, you are filled with testosterone. The

552
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: life is, you know, an oyster. Your parents have accomplished

553
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: so much. Do you are you able to cut off

554
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: the drive or does it drive you crazy?

555
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I think I have an answer for this,

556
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: I would say the first answer would be my wife.

557
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Speaker 1: I think she's very good at kind of grounding. She's

558
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of like my you know, I look at her

559
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: and she she's taught me like how to actually relax

560
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: and enjoy things and think about love and not only

561
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: think about progress and what's next and whatever. It's like

562
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Speaker 1: she taught me how to live in the moment, you know,

563
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Speaker 1: and take take days where you're just enjoying.

564
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Speaker 2: Were you were you before before she taught to you that?

565
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: Were you kind of what I'm saying just really concentrating

566
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Speaker 2: on which is fine right at that age when you

567
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: were earlier on your life, were you only concentrating on

568
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: the success? Is saying I can't use this time as

569
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: idle time. I need to I need to do this. Yeah.

570
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Speaker 1: I've always been like that where it's like any waking hour,

571
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: but the thing is like I'm either working towards progress

572
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: or I'm partying, you know. Like that was always kind

573
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: of an issue for me. Is like my only outlet

574
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: was like I work hard and then I played just

575
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Speaker 1: as hard. So I went through a period where I

576
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: was like really struggling with that too, because I can't

577
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Speaker 1: shut it off in my brain. So it's like I'm

578
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: either like whatever i'm doing, i'm doing very hard. So

579
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Speaker 1: if if it's not working, it's relaxing as hard as

580
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: I can, which is not relaxing. You know, that's not

581
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Speaker 1: a RESTful thing.

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Speaker 2: On the moment that she put it to, well, when

583
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Speaker 2: when did you realize and I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna

584
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: go back to my moment with my wife in a

585
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: very similar aspect of the moment. But when when was

586
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: that moment that she that you realize, Wow, she yes,

587
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: this this works.

588
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: I can't really put my finger on one moment, but

589
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: I just know, like the way that her and her

590
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: family hang out, you know, they just sit and they

591
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: just enjoy each other's companies for for hours on end,

592
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that, like being a part of that.

593
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: Not that my parents don't do that, but it's just

594
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: it's in a different way, you know, seeing the way

595
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: that other people, other families, I guess a family that

596
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm a part of now, how they express love and

597
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: how they because my family and I like the way

598
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: we express love is we go out and we do

599
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: we do things together, like we'll go on a bike,

600
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: like I said, I grew up doing bike trips. Every

601
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: vacation is the is. It's what people make fun of online.

602
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: It's a workout vacation, you know what I mean, Like

603
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: we wake up and we run ten miles so that

604
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: we can have a great meal afterwards or whatever. And

605
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: so like being a part of a family that expresses

606
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: love and affection and you know, critical time in a

607
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: different manner Like that kind of woke me up to

608
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: sort that style of relaxation. And then the other I

609
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: will say is is kind of leaning into the seasonality

610
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Speaker 1: of life. I think. I know it's a little poetic,

611
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: but like growing up in Canada, like seasons were a

612
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: big thing, and when you move to La it's like

613
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: seasons aren't really a thing, not as obvious anymore. So

614
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of non But what's good about seasons and

615
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: weather is it it divvys up the year and for

616
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: very noticeably different chunks. I think if you treat kind

617
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: of work like that or personal endeavors like that, it's

618
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: a little bit help at least for me in my mind,

619
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: so that I'm not NonStop, go go go. It's more

620
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: like this is my project right now, I'm training for

621
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: an iron Man, and I'm gonna do an iron Man.

622
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna take me eight months. But when I'm done,

623
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a month or two off and

624
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: then I'm going to get right back to it after that.

625
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: So leaning into that too, it's kind of helps me

626
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: compartmentalize things in my mind, which helps me deal with

627
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: anxieties and stuff when all I want to do is go, go,

628
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: go all the time, you know, you were saying about

629
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: your Sorry I interrupted, you were saying about your wife.

630
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: No, no, you didn't interrupt me. I was going to

631
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: go into another way of that because you know, there's

632
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people listening, and they're going to hopefully

633
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: have respect for you and I because of our ability

634
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: to keep going hard. But and they may think, or

635
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: they may not realize that it's very, very common to

636
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: be business people, people who go hard in any aspect

637
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: of life. And that's why you know, business men and women.

638
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: If you ever hear the Billy Joel's song the Piano

639
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: Man and then the Piano Man, he says something like that,

640
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: and the businessman get stoned, right, Because when if you

641
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: travel the world like we have, you'll see at the

642
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: end of the night the businessmen and women are lined

643
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: up at the bar because there's a release, because you

644
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: can't cut it off. And if you don't find that

645
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: other release, whether it be push ups, you know, running

646
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: that that night, calling your little girl or your wife

647
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: or your little boy or your mother and just down,

648
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, getting rid of all all this shit that's

649
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: gonna no matter what, still be there. You don't get

650
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: the release, and they use this to escape. And it

651
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 2: was that moment as well. The same thing with my wife.

652
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: I had always had. You know, I come from, you know,

653
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: a very hard place, and it was just my mother

654
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: and I and you know, when you come from the hood,

655
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily have When you have disagreements with people,

656
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: you don't know where it's going to go right, and

657
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: so you have to have this hard shield. And you

658
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if I got to beef with you,

659
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how it's going to figure out. And

660
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: I used to hold whenever we had not anybody else

661
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: I had this kind of disagreement or challenge, I held

662
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: it in for a long period of time and I

663
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: harbored that beef. I may not speak them for two

664
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: three days. I want to calm down. D D d dah.

665
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: And it was it was in my mid thirties that

666
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: my wife I realized it no matter if we had

667
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: a disagreement or not, it wasn't that serious. And I

668
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: could let my guards down a couple of hours later

669
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: because she was like, honey, it's okay, and she wasn't

670
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: gonna get back at me. So it's kind of like,

671
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: how you have this woman that came in your life

672
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: to show you that there are seasons or there is

673
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: time to enjoy the moment. And it was that moment

674
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: that one time I after probably about really two three

675
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: years of having this beef where oh you know, wherever

676
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: I had an issue with her that I was like,

677
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: I ain't talking about that and I held this damn

678
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: problem for two three days and she was like, it

679
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be two three days. I forgive you,

680
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: or even if I was wrong, we're good. And a

681
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize that. So I love the seasonality.

682
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: I think to think about it like a seasonality, you know,

683
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: and find those moments.

684
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

685
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: Now let's get into it. Let's get into okay. Now,

686
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have a successful podcast and

687
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: you're saying yourself, let's invest more money back into the podcast.

688
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: Why do you believe that? Oh? Why did you believe

689
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: in that moment? Because now all of a sudden, you know,

690
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: you do have I think six under your you know,

691
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: your network. Why should people believe in your ability to

692
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: help them and to harness and be an umbrella or

693
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: a help with that podcast? Why why would people believe

694
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: in that? And how were you able to convince other

695
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: people to believe in you.

696
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: The one thing that we did, you know, really well

697
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: with our with our show is from the from the

698
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: get go was the visual aspect of the podcast. We

699
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: always took very very seriously, so we always had like

700
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: we always tried to make it sort of a YouTube

701
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: forward podcast. And then and then the other thing was

702
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: was we self produced everything for you know, ever since

703
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: the very beginning. It was always us doing all the

704
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: like buying the gear, doing the recording, doing that, all

705
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: the post you know, production, editing, posting, channel management, everything

706
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: was us. And when we launched the show, we did

707
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: it on Patreon, so we were basically making money right away,

708
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: but we were doing everything ourselves, so we learned what it

709
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: took to make a great show from the ground up.

710
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: So we had all the knowledge on how to produce

711
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: a great podcast. We had five years of experience or whatever,

712
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: it's like three or four years by the time we

713
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: started this business experience on like you know, building an audience,

714
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: creating a great show. And then so we thought we

715
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: were in a good place to kind of take that

716
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: knowledge and and apply it to other creators who we

717
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: thought had you know, a similar talent or different talents

718
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: or better talents. And then we also, you know, I

719
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: guess like reputation was also a part of it too,

720
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: just knowing, you know, audience wise, that people trusted that

721
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: we had a show that they enjoyed. So you know,

722
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: our our I guess co sign of another show would

723
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: carry a certain weight.

724
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Well did it help you all the time? Because you know,

725
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people going to say, yeah,

726
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: you do great doing what you do. How how can

727
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: you represent me? You know a lot of people many

728
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: people often would say, well you're good over there. How

729
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: would you be you know, great for me behind the scenes?

730
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: And as you pitched yourself to other people, did you

731
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: go in and say, well, you know, you know, look

732
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: at who I am, look at what I have? A

733
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: commage of course I could do that, but you or

734
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: did you have to humble yourself and say, no, let

735
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: me show you the method, what we do, how hard

736
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: we work at it, and how hard will work for you.

737
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: Because some people think their reputation is only going to

738
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: get them in the door, but some people believe their

739
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: reputation is all they need to to have to to

740
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: get other successful people to believe in them.

741
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. I think I

742
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: think it was definitely, you know, somewhat of a risk

743
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: for us and for the talent that we were signing

744
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: right off the get go. It was more and this

745
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: was more like relationships that we had developed with these people.

746
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: You know, we were friends with them outside of outside

747
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: of production and media. So it was like, listen, we're

748
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: doing this. We've done a great job of this. We've

749
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: built a fantastic team. Look at how high quality our

750
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: show is. We want nothing but to bring this to you.

751
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: And yes, you're going to have to trust us a

752
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, I think like selling ourselves

753
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: was something that we Yeah, we also had to learn,

754
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: I would say, and that you know that's never ended.

755
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: I guess like we're still learning on the best way

756
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: to deal with talent and produce shows that leave them

757
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: in the audience as happy as possible. And we want

758
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: to keep doing those things until they're you know, until

759
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: like talent are just absolutely thrilled with with the fact

760
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: that they're working with us, and and we hope that

761
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: we're there now. But we want to just continue that,

762
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, and just continue learning from our mistakes and

763
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: creating a great company.

764
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: I want to so you that that's that's great because

765
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: a lot of people feel like, you know, there's one

766
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: moment when you've arrived, and I don't believe there's any

767
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: moment when you've arrived because there's nothing to strive for.

768
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: But you would name by Forbes as the most interesting

769
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: YouTuber in the world. What year was that?

770
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: I think that was like three four years ago.

771
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: When that happened. Did you feel like you arrived or

772
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: was there because you could either had imposter syndrome, You

773
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 2: could have had either arrived or you could have had

774
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: This is a really great step. I really appreciate it.

775
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm in the moment. Let's keep going. Which any of

776
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: those three or maybe another one?

777
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I will say, like I kind

778
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: of at that point. I remember like when that went live,

779
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: I kind of remember thinking, it is nice that I,

780
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's nice to read a little bit

781
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: of like formal recognition on what I've been working on. Right,

782
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: Like that did feel kind of nice because up until

783
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: that point I was I did feel like I was

784
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: working on a million things and you know, trying to

785
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: cast the widest net as possible, and you know, like

786
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: we were working on music at that point. I think

787
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: at that point, our music was just starting to take off.

788
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: So we're starting to get tens of millions of streams

789
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: as well as you know, launching podcasts and trying to

790
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: keep up with YouTube, and it just all felt very

791
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: And then we were touring do we were like doing

792
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: live shows, and so it felt like very like sporadic

793
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: and just like I don't know what to focus on.

794
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: Are these the right things? And then that one article

795
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: came out and kind of was like he's doing all

796
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: these things, and I was like, oh man, it is

797
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of it does feel good to hear someone else

798
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: say that. But then I will say I kind of

799
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: fell into the trap of you know, reaching a feeling

800
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: like I had arrived, so I can kind of stop

801
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I fell into that trap hard. When COVID hit, I

802
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: was like, this is a great excuse to kind of,

803
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe I just need to chill. Maybe

804
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: that's why I've been feeling so anxious and blah blah blah,

805
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: is because I just need to relax. I did it.

806
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I made some money, I got some recognition. It's time

807
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: to just completely stop caring and being passionate.

808
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: Well, you didn't mean stop what you were doing. You

809
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: didn't mean stop tiny meat gangs or stop a.

810
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: No no, no, yeah, I mean it kind of everything was

811
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: on the fritz at that point, Like we couldn't tour.

812
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: We went from like touring the world all of a

813
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: sudden to just being locked in our apartments where those

814
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: things weren't even like physically possible, and so we stopped

815
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: kind of working on music. We still did the podcast

816
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: every week, but I just kind of stopped feeling that

817
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: desire to like figure out what's next. And I kind

818
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: of fell into like drinking too much and you know,

819
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: kind of resorting to to bad habits because I thought

820
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: like maybe that's what I needed at that point or whatever,

821
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: And so I stopped working out. So like the endurance athletics,

822
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: part of my life stopped being a thing and I

823
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: fell into this like horrible just I mean, I would

824
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: say rutt is kind of like a gentle term for it.

825
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: But it really just felt like I wasn't optimistic anymore,

826
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: which was a horrible feeling. It's considering like optimism, I

827
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: think is one of my strongest qualities, and I just

828
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: didn't have it anymore. I was like, I just like

829
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do because I just felt like

830
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: so uncertain about the future, which was weird.

831
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: And but what triggered that? What triggered that? Because I mean,

832
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden you talk about like your

833
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: Thorfinny war, Remember when of these showed up and he

834
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: had a punch a big old belly and shit and

835
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: he was chilling. What what what triggered? Now, don't get

836
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: me wrong, this is a pandemic, and we all thought

837
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: we were going to be off for a month, right,

838
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden I went through it too, right,

839
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden. You know, I don't

840
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if I had a problem, but

841
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: I can turn around and say I had a habit

842
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: in knowing myself as a hard charger. The habit that

843
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: I said, ah, i'll stop drinking, I'll stop doing this.

844
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: That habit didn't stop. And I'm sure you know your

845
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: parents probably came home and said what the hell or

846
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: saw you or whatever, like, what the hell's wrong with you? Man?

847
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: What triggered that though? Because, yeah, there's a moment of cool.

848
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: But was it? Was it just again maybe you saying

849
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: you're a hard charger. You said, man, I'm gonna drink.

850
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drink. I'm gonna relax. I'm gonna relax. Oh,

851
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: we got the Forbes thing here. When this thing is over,

852
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: I'll get back to it. Wait a minute, it's not

853
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: over yet. Wait a minute's not over. I'll have another drink.

854
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: Wait a minutes, not over it, I'll have another drink.

855
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: What what triggered that?

856
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. I think it was the

857
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: combination of all those things. It was. It was everything

858
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: was going so well until the pandemic hit that I

859
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: used that kind kind of as an excuse to, like,

860
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: instead of find a productive way for me to keep

861
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm getting better and progressing. Instead, I found

862
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: something destructive where you know, it was something to keep

863
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: me occupied, but it wasn't. I wasn't being occupied or

864
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: stimulated in the right way. And all I was doing

865
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: was leading me down a darker and darker path and

866
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: so like, And it was a combination of everything. It

867
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I did it already, what else? What

868
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: else is there left to do? You know? I got

869
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: the money, I like, bought a house in Malibu. I

870
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: was like, ah, I'm good, I did it. But it's like,

871
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: that's that's such like a toxic mindset, you know. And

872
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: I think it's which sounds a little bit hypocritical, hypocritical

873
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: of me to say that, because I'm talking about you know,

874
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: before I was talking about learning when to relax and

875
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I think everything goes hand in hand.

876
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: It's like the seasonality of life is there for a reason.

877
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: It's because you have to pick back up and you

878
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: have to start again, like the hard work season is

879
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: still gonna come, and you can't just keep going down

880
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: this darker and darker path of relaxing. And I did

881
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: it because that's just going to leads you to a

882
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: life of misery. That took me a while to realize

883
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: because I wasn't even sure why I was sad. I

884
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: was like, I I did it, I made it. I

885
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: get to just relax all day and cave to my vices.

886
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: Why am I sad? These things make me happy? But

887
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: then I took finally it was like started. I signed

888
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: up for an ultra marathon and I started training for

889
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: it again. I started to like find my purpose again.

890
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: And with that came that optimism and the happiness that

891
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: I was missing before. And that is what woke me

892
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: up to like, oh yeah, okay, this makes a lot

893
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: of sense. You can't just you can't just these things

894
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: feel good because they feel good momentarily. But the more

895
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: they feel good, the more they feel shitty. And I

896
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: think the opposite is true for productive things. The more

897
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: it hurts, the more it feels good in the end.

898
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: You know, so you never arrived, and I think that

899
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: you are saying it is hypocritical, but I think that

900
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: what you're saying is exactly what so many people don't say,

901
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: or people that other people look up to with the

902
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: vulnerability of it. And then other people turn around and go,

903
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: wait a minute, but you know you're supposed to go

904
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: hard or wait a minute, I'm a loser when it's

905
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: not hypocritical. The only thing I regret about what you're

906
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: saying is that you didn't call meat during those times

907
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: because I was going through the same shit and we

908
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: could have both been drunk. But that's what happened to me,

909
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: you know, I was, you know, just like all of us, right,

910
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, because if you think about it, and there

911
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: are people listening right now and I know we're going

912
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: to bring this to an end and we never know

913
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: where it's going to go, is that you know, I

914
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: actually have one person in my life right now who's

915
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: in the hospit who's in hospice because they weren't able

916
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: to turn out of that curve. And when you are

917
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: somebody who is in the pandemic, or on vacation, or

918
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: going through a transition in your life, or celebrating or

919
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: traveling too much and at a bar, the device of

920
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: alcohol and liquor is not frowned upon the same way

921
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: that other things in life may be frowned upon. And actually,

922
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: when you're going through it, if you're not drinking, people go,

923
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: what is wrong with you? How dare you? You know?

924
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: And you know, what are you kidding me? Let's have

925
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: a drink, right, And it is promoted everywhere. Right, every

926
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: single time that you see a billboard, a commercial, anything else,

927
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: everybody looks super sexy drinking. You don't see pop belly

928
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: people going oh my god, I'm about to die. Right,

929
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: And every time you know, you go to a restaurant,

930
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: you even get it, you get it for Christmas and holidays. Right,

931
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: And it's something that is promoted unless you have true

932
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: the ability to reflect and say I can enjoy, but

933
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: I or maybe I should stop and enjoy different things. Don't.

934
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: You're not hypocritical. We are human beings. We go up,

935
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 2: we go down, night and day. Like you said, right, summer, fall, spring, right, winter.

936
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: I think it is critical. What did you do? Where

937
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 2: was the moment when you said, I'm going too far

938
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: or it's been too long and I am going to

939
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: stop and do this Because some people, like my friend

940
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: in the hospice, never get out of that turn, and

941
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: some people feel like it's bad and they were weak.

942
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: But it's all around us. This vice is all around us.

943
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: So imagine if this world or this country did not

944
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: have alcohol, there would be imagine sports games, how much

945
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: money they would not make, hotels, bars, lounges. It's all

946
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: around us. I didn't think the interview would go to

947
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: the part of I don't drink anymore. I don't. I

948
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: lost forty pounds not drinking, and I said to myself,

949
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: I just took inventory and said, I don't know. I'm

950
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: trying to escape with it. It's nice, you know, I'm cool, right,

951
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: I didn't never have a problem with it, like I said,

952
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: But you know what, every time I drink, I got

953
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: empty calories. I wake up in the morning, I want

954
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: a greasy cheeseburger. My wife does not drink. I'm probably

955
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, the smell alcohol makes her, uh, you know, nauseous.

956
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: I may have said one or two stupid things the

957
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: night before to somebody, or may have been too nice

958
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: to somebody who I don't want to be around, and

959
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: the alcohol was numbing me. I stopped. I tried the

960
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: every other drink of water, drink on just tuesdays dry January.

961
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. I like the taste of this stuff.

962
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: When did you, uh, what was the moment that you said, nah,

963
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: no more?

964
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean I still I still do it, no problem?

965
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: When did yeah?

966
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Like, I like move But but here's the thing, like

967
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: it's something that I still definitely struggle with a little bit.

968
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: And I say struggle in the sense where you know,

969
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: like I'm not even entirely sure again, like it's a problem,

970
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: but like I do think about it a lot. And

971
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about something a lot, something's something's a

972
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: little weird there. It's if alcohol. I think a healthy

973
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: relationship with alcohol is you don't think about it, you

974
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think about that a lot.

975
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's like if you're thinking constantly like should

976
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: I have a drink? I don't, but I haven't think

977
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow all this stuff. It's like you probably it's probably

978
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: healthier to just give it up entirely. And when I

979
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: do that, I like every year I'll go sober for

980
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: like fifty to one hundred days at a time, and

981
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: it's like I always feel way better. So it is

982
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: something I still I'm like, I think one day, like

983
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: this will be a part of my life that I

984
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: just don't look back on. In terms of finding a

985
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: balance or whatever. It's like, I don't. I think the

986
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: balance is none. Eventually, I want to do that. So

987
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: it's something I still am striving to do, you know,

988
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: But it's harder said than they're easier said than done.

989
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: But I think I'm thirty three now, so yeah, I

990
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: think like the moment at least in that sort of

991
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: darker period where I realized I had to make a change, though,

992
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: was my parents called me. They told me they were

993
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: doing this ultra marathon and my sister was doing it,

994
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: my brother in law was doing it. And my default

995
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: answer was, Oh, no, I can't do that. Like I

996
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, nah, that's you're kidding me me,

997
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: and and then I after the phone call, I hung

998
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: up and I was like what. I just couldn't believe that.

999
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: That was the thing that I My gut knee jerk

1000
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: reaction was You're not good enough to do that, Like

1001
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: you're a joke, sort of like that's a joke that

1002
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: you would even be considered to do that. I was like,

1003
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: I used to do these things. Why shouldn't I be

1004
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: able to do it now? And I just realized right

1005
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: then at the table, I was like, I've totally lost

1006
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: the confidence in myself. It was very, very like sobering,

1007
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: bizarre moment for me. So I called them back and

1008
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna do it. Yes, I'm gonna do it.

1009
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: This is something that I can do and I'm gonna

1010
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: do it. I'm gonna train and do it. And then

1011
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: after that it was like I showed up for my

1012
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: I started just showing up for myself more and more,

1013
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: which I think is something that if you're struggling with

1014
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: alcohol or any sort of vice, that's something that you

1015
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: lose because you cave over and over again to this vice.

1016
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: So you want to stop. You tell yourself I should

1017
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: be stopping. Why can't I do this? And then you

1018
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: cave over and over again, so you just spiral down

1019
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: that horrible you know well, where it's like you're not

1020
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: good enough to stop the addictions or the whatever device

1021
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: is bigger than you, so that completely evaporates your self confidence.

1022
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: Then you start it starts to bleed into other things

1023
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: of your life where you're like, I can't rely on myself,

1024
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: so my word is no good even to myself, which

1025
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: is so toxic, I think. And as soon as I

1026
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: started showing up for myself again, that bled into other

1027
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: parts of my life where I was more confident to

1028
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: go out and try and build a business, or or

1029
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: start a new YouTube channel, or try a new style

1030
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: of comedy, because it's like I know I will do

1031
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: the work to make sure that this happens. Because I

1032
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: was able to do the work and make sure that

1033
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: I showed up for this ultra marathon. It doesn't have

1034
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: to be an ultra marathon, but like something like that.

1035
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: I think that really like taught me that lesson.

1036
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: That was one of the most powerful things I've ever

1037
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: heard in my life. And was that moment that I

1038
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: wanted to get to that I didn't know I would

1039
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: get to. That would change somebody's life from hearing that.

1040
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: Because that moment that you said what happened to me,

1041
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: whether it was that person talking to you and you

1042
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: now accepted that they have told you your value, that

1043
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: moment that you looked in the mirror, I think this

1044
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: is going to be the one of the most powerful

1045
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: things people will ever hear. I thank you for being here.

1046
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: We have so much in common. You know, you remind

1047
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: me of the movie Step Brothers. Now, maybe you and

1048
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: I will never speak again, but the movie Step Brothers

1049
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: when you was like, did we just become best friends? Yep?

1050
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: I think I just became your best friend. We got

1051
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: so much in common, man, Thank you so much for

1052
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: being here and being so vulnerable and sharing that uh

1053
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: and That is why I do this. Because of that moment.

1054
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: You will save somebody's life or many people's lives with

1055
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: that common kerry and that vulnerability. Man, I really appreciate you.

1056
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: Congratulations on your success. By the way, I want every way.

1057
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: You know, we've never met each other. Our team put

1058
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: us together and for you at this young age, twenty

1059
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: years younger than me, coming from a whole different background,

1060
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 2: for us to have those things in common, I really

1061
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: appreciate you, man. Thank you and thank you.

1062
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. It was great to meet you,

1063
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: and I hope we do speak again because it's a

1064
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of fun. And yeah, thanks so much.

1065
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm not giving you Hollywood bullshit. I'm gonna have my

1066
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: people connect this right now in text. Man, anytime when

1067
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: you meet it, you are a law of value. Man,

1068
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: You're making this place a better planet. Thank you, man,

1069
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 2: Gra That Moment with Damon John is a production of

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