Speaker 1: Also media, Hello and welcome, da could happen here podcast
Speaker 1: where my friend Garrison Davis and I inc her countless
Speaker 1: amounts of trauma by watching videos of Donald Trump talking
Speaker 1: about things he doesn't understand.
Speaker 2: How you doing today, Garrison.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing fine and peachy on this wonderful spring afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll sort that out for you. We'll bring you
Speaker 2: back down because what we gathered here today to discuss, Garrison,
Speaker 2: is that we talked about gender forty seven yesterday. So
Speaker 2: hopefully people have listened. If you haven't, you know, you
Speaker 2: can go back and understand what the gender forty seven is.
Speaker 2: This short version is that it's Donald Trump's policy platform
Speaker 2: for his proposed second term. Right, if he gets elected
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, and there is a lot of
Speaker 2: agenda forty seven, we'll breaking down.
Speaker 3: A lot of forty seven. Yeah, yeah, arguably too much
Speaker 3: agenda forty seven, yes, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: One could argue that, I think quite compellingly, what we're
Speaker 2: talking about today is his bordered immigration policy. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it'll shock anyone to hear that these are
Speaker 2: major pillars of gender forty seven. Right, he kind of
Speaker 2: launched his political career with an incredibly bigoted speech about migrants,
Speaker 2: and it's been the real through line, Like the only thing,
Speaker 2: one of the few things where he actually was able
Speaker 2: to be efficient enough to do a large amount of
Speaker 2: harm was at the border and with immigration right, and
Speaker 2: it certainly seems like he has plans to a lot
Speaker 2: more in twenty twenty four. Post twenty twenty four, I
Speaker 2: guess Biden's tried to counter this by lurching to the right,
Speaker 2: but he's handled a lot of people in the process.
Speaker 2: But this hasn't stopped Trump without taking a breath out,
Speaker 2: flanking him far to the right on immigration policy. So
Speaker 2: that's what we're going to talk about today. So Gender
Speaker 2: forty seven website. It's structured with a series of these
Speaker 2: scripted rumble videos which are embedded and then in a
Speaker 2: spectacular own goal also transcripted, which just like like Garrison
Speaker 2: said yesterday, it is a joy to read Donald Trump speaking.
Speaker 2: Without hearing Donald Trump speaking, it is you never know
Speaker 2: what's coming next, like it consistently blindside you. No one
Speaker 2: can the best to ever do it, and no one,
Speaker 2: no one could replicate Donald Trump. So a lot of
Speaker 2: the pages detail his proposed actions on his first day
Speaker 2: in office, right, what he's going to do with his
Speaker 2: executive power or which, as we'll go into, he seems
Speaker 2: to be this is not a man who attended civic
Speaker 2: class and paid attention.
Speaker 3: Well because because it was one weaponized Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah, he he's loving American didn't go. Okay.
Speaker 2: The other things address like cloudy right wing talking points
Speaker 2: which in many cases kind of either fictional or over exaggerated,
Speaker 2: are not really related to what's going on with the
Speaker 2: border and midration, and he sort of proposes quoe unquote
Speaker 2: solutions often it's not exactly clear how or if these
Speaker 2: things are legal, But like I think, as we'll get into,
Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. His big theme going through all
Speaker 2: of his immigration content is to end what he calls
Speaker 2: automatic citizenship for children. I'm not going to do the voice.
Speaker 2: I can't do the.
Speaker 3: Voice because you're cursed with your britishness blessed yes, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: God's chosen people. Okay, yeah, average average Christian identity opinion heaverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, big big Christian identity opinion have it? Okay?
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump, right, his big thing is taking a
Speaker 2: swing at the Fourteenth Amendment right a birthright citizenship it's
Speaker 2: very funny that it's not funny. Actually it's quite fucked.
Speaker 2: But if you're not familiar, the Fourteenth Amendment was passed
Speaker 2: after the Civil War, and in the first part of
Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment, there's a sentence that reads, all persons
Speaker 2: born or naturalized in the United States and the subject
Speaker 2: to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. Cool.
Speaker 3: That sounds very simple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, doesn't it. It does. What you're not considering
Speaker 2: Garrison is like some fringes on the Flagg tier legal bullshit,
Speaker 2: which Donald Trump and his camp, unsurprisingly are pursuing. We're
Speaker 2: going to get to a little bit about this later.
Speaker 2: This is they're not the first group of people to
Speaker 2: make ending birth right citizenship the whole thing right. It's
Speaker 2: been a sort of a bugbear on the right for
Speaker 2: a while. So, as I said, the funding for men
Speaker 2: was strongly opposed by Confederate states after the Civil War, right,
Speaker 2: but they were forced to ratify it in order to
Speaker 2: regain representation in Congress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So John, Donald Trump's now bringing I guess,
Speaker 2: coming back on behalf of the Confederacy to challenge the
Speaker 2: Fourteenth to make any such cases in this and many
Speaker 2: other ways. That's why they call him stone Wall Trump,
Speaker 2: do they they? Yeah? Wait, really no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean I guarantee, I guarantee. Let's us google it
Speaker 2: real quick. Let's see what comes up. Stonewall Trump, It's
Speaker 2: going to be one of two things. Stonewall really splits. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: now there's some curse stuff there. Google that your own risk.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the fourteenth Amendment has been really pivotal in American history.
Speaker 2: It's one of the most litigated amendments to the Constitution.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It gave us the Road decision, which has now been overheard,
Speaker 2: give us the Obergefel decision, which legalized the same sex marriage,
Speaker 2: gave us Brown versus Board of Education. More relevant here
Speaker 2: is that it superseded the dread Scott case and shrind
Speaker 2: in Lord the right if anyone born in the USA,
Speaker 2: regardless of race or a snithety, to be a citizen.
Speaker 2: And it has a few exemptions like I think the
Speaker 2: children of foreign diplomats and visiting heads of state are
Speaker 2: not US citizens. So like King Charles couldn't come over
Speaker 2: here have another kid and then have that kid be
Speaker 2: a dual citizen. Trump proposes that he's going to stop
Speaker 2: this immediately on entering office by executive order.
Speaker 3: Can you remove another of the Constitution by executive order? James,
Speaker 3: I'm not a legal expert by any means.
Speaker 2: No. No, I am a historian of anarchists in Spain.
Speaker 2: This is not the center Mayrea of expertise. But I'm
Speaker 2: pretty confident, like without going full seth Abramson here, that no,
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't just do that because it certainly
Speaker 2: feels wrong. Yeah, it seems like it doesn't pass the
Speaker 2: smell test.
Speaker 3: No, I think.
Speaker 2: If American history would be very different if you could
Speaker 2: change the Constitution by executive order. But this isn't going
Speaker 2: to stop Donald Trump crying. The specific case he has
Speaker 2: a beef with is US versus one kim Ark. It's
Speaker 2: called it's a couple of people who were Chinese nationals
Speaker 2: who had a kid in the United States and a
Speaker 2: Supreme Court found that their kid would sit in Right,
Speaker 2: we don't need to go into the case. Sure, but
Speaker 2: Republicans have been on this for a long time. I
Speaker 2: think they really began to get concerted momentum behind it
Speaker 2: during the Obama administration. Obviously, before Obama was elected, right,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump sort of really entered politics with his birth
Speaker 2: Allives right and this idea that Obama was not a
Speaker 2: US citizen and therefore was not eligible for the presidency,
Speaker 2: and that sort of that tendency continued in Republican politics.
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham, a man who looks like a melting slath,
Speaker 2: attempted to introduce a constitutional amendment during the Obama administration,
Speaker 2: failed to do so. I don't think he actually ever
Speaker 2: introduced it. I think he just sort of shopped it
Speaker 2: around see if he could get support, and then failed.
Speaker 2: This has been a continuing theme since. Actually, Matt Gates,
Speaker 2: along with Gosa Santos and some other representatives, tried to
Speaker 2: institute a House resolution last year ending birthright citizenship. Trump
Speaker 2: has also been cooking up some rather unique legal theories
Speaker 2: about this for a while. In twenty eighteen, he claimed
Speaker 2: that you don't need a constitutional amendment to change the
Speaker 2: Fourteenth Amendment. He also repeatedly claimed that birthright citizenship is
Speaker 2: something that's either rare or in some cases, he claimed
Speaker 2: it's unique to the United States, which is not true.
Speaker 2: There are about thirty countries that offer birth for a citizenship.
Speaker 2: The legal justification that he offers most often comes from
Speaker 2: someone called John Eastman. Do you know who John Eastman is? Garrison,
Speaker 2: I do not. Johnny'sman was the one of the legal
Speaker 2: architects of Trump's plan to overturn the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He has also been indicted in the Georgia case against
Speaker 2: Trump and his co conspirators. Johnny Ssmon also tried to
Speaker 2: do birth a shit about Karmala Harris. Many of you
Speaker 2: will be able to draw the line between Karmala Harris
Speaker 2: and Barack Obama and perhaps the underlying motivation for their
Speaker 2: birth and stuff. But Eastman is contending, I guess that
Speaker 2: the quote subjects to the jurisdiction thereof element of the
Speaker 2: fourteenth Amendment means that somehow people who live in the
Speaker 2: United States, work in the United States, have pay tacks
Speaker 2: in the United States are not subject to which juris
Speaker 2: if they're not citizens themselves, which, look, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: how like I think. The big thing I want you
Speaker 2: guys to take away from this is that everything he
Speaker 2: wants to do is probably illegal, and none of that
Speaker 2: really matters, right because we'll have a court like he's
Speaker 2: he's got a Supreme Court, which has but it's packed
Speaker 2: with Republicans, right.
Speaker 3: And it has constantly affirmed his ability to do crimes
Speaker 3: and get off with basic pheno punk.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like this is a man who tried to
Speaker 2: do a coup and it's standing for election again. Like
Speaker 2: the court system is not going to save us. If
Speaker 2: he has enough time and he can and enough political will,
Speaker 2: he will try and do this. And I think it's
Speaker 2: not unreasonable to expect that he will attempt to buy
Speaker 2: executive order on the first day of his presidency to
Speaker 2: take birthright citizenship away from the children of undocumented migrants. Garrison,
Speaker 2: do you know what won't take rights away from your children?
Speaker 3: I forget what food service box we have and therefore
Speaker 3: cannot make jokes about on air. But it's one of them.
Speaker 3: One of them can, one of them can't, And you
Speaker 3: have to know which one. What everyone advertises is the
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always it'll be when they speak really fast at
Speaker 2: the end, just just slow that down. You hear them
Speaker 2: talking about your children, We're back. We hope you enjoy
Speaker 2: those outports. The second thing Donald Trump is big mad
Speaker 2: about is something called birth tourism. What that he calls
Speaker 2: birth tourism.
Speaker 3: Right, it's okay, I think I see where this is going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you take a holiday to the the womb,
Speaker 2: you go into like a pod and it's very I thought.
Speaker 3: It's where you take a holiday summer to pop out
Speaker 3: of kin and they get automatic citizenship.
Speaker 2: That's what it actually is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a great plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you go on holiday to like an all
Speaker 2: inclusive resort and then you don't have to pay for
Speaker 2: your birth expenses because they're included when you go to
Speaker 2: your all inclusive resort. It's a great deal for everyone.
Speaker 3: I didn't die. I didn't think of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many few people have. But now now the words
Speaker 2: out and it might close that loophole. What I think
Speaker 2: is interesting about his quote unquote birth tourism claims, it's
Speaker 2: not like obviously this again has been a right wing
Speaker 2: talking point for a long time. Right. It's that in
Speaker 2: this particular section of the Agenda forty seven website, he
Speaker 2: includes links to provide evidence for some of his claims,
Speaker 2: which is a bold move for Donald Trump, a man
Speaker 2: who excus evidence. But what he links to is the
Speaker 2: Center for Immigration Studies, Right, the CIS. The CIS is
Speaker 2: an extremely right wing thing tank. It's founded by someone
Speaker 2: called John Tantun and it's listed by the SBLC as
Speaker 2: a hate group. The reason it's listed by the SBLC
Speaker 2: as a hate group is because it pretty consistently publishes
Speaker 2: the work of someone called Jason rich Wine, who is
Speaker 2: an unreconstructed race science guy, right, like a modern day phrenologist,
Speaker 2: if you will. This is a man who is so
Speaker 2: racist that he was forced to resign from the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: Oh oh wow, yeah, yeah, which I didn't know was possible. Actually,
Speaker 2: it was quite.
Speaker 3: I didn't know they had like a bar for that. Huh.
Speaker 2: No, two racists for the Heritage Foundation. Is is quite racist?
Speaker 3: Gravestone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably will after CIS when there's a bit
Speaker 2: of a blow up about this is during the first
Speaker 2: round presidency, and CIS claimed they it wouldn't be unusual
Speaker 2: to occasionally include a racist or an anti semite given
Speaker 2: the volume of content they put out. So this led
Speaker 2: to the Southern Poverty Law Center conducting an analysis of
Speaker 2: their weekly newsletter. I'm going to read you a summary
Speaker 2: of that analysis now. Southern Poverty Law Center and a
Speaker 2: Center for New Community examined approximately four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: of CIS's weekly emails dating back almost ten years and
Speaker 2: found that CIS circulated over one thousand, seven hundred articles
Speaker 2: from vdare dot com. Garrison's face just looks like they've
Speaker 2: stepped in something horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this podcast recording.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right, an average of three VEDA articles
Speaker 2: every week. Huh Yeah, So that that's where Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is getting the bulk of his statistics and information, or
Speaker 2: at least Donald Trump isn't writing this stuff, right. I
Speaker 2: don't think he has the attention span. But whoever is
Speaker 2: writing his immigration policy, it's sourcing from vdare.
Speaker 3: Do we want to explain what the yeah is? Go off?
Speaker 2: Garrison? Let us know.
Speaker 3: So VEDE is like this white nationalist like anti immigration,
Speaker 3: not like a lobbying group, but like I kind of.
Speaker 3: They produce a whole bunch of rhetoric and talking points
Speaker 3: about all of the big risks of immigration. It gets
Speaker 3: sent stuff to like Fox News. Trump's used this stuff before.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not great. They receive like dark money
Speaker 3: from conservative like funding groups like Donors Trust. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's ways to to it's finding a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: silly ways to try to justify their types of racism,
Speaker 3: and they are they are still a problem. They were
Speaker 3: founded nearly twenty five years ago and they're still they're
Speaker 3: still going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean they've they've compared the anti
Speaker 2: white rhetoric to the Rwandan genocide before and just they
Speaker 2: What I think is important to hear about v DAY
Speaker 2: is that they exist to take straight up hate rhetoric
Speaker 2: and insert it to mainstream politics.
Speaker 3: And yes, they take stuff from like actual, like like
Speaker 3: very like recognized like white nationalist groups and and turn
Speaker 3: it into rhetoric that is acceptable on Fox News. That
Speaker 3: is their entire goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and cis one might argue, exists to take that
Speaker 2: VDA stuff and dressed it up as research article, statistics
Speaker 2: information that might inform policy. There's a bunch of stuff
Speaker 2: in his sort of Abolished Birthright Citizenship that I don't
Speaker 2: think we need to get into. He talks a lot
Speaker 2: about birth hotels. He links to a National Affairs op
Speaker 2: ed from Peter Shuck and Rogers Smith. These are the
Speaker 2: people who have really been like the originators of the
Speaker 2: abolished birthright citizenship movement. They wrote a book about it,
Speaker 2: I think in nineteen eighty five. It's also worth noting
Speaker 2: just so, like Trump repeatedly claims in his little videos
Speaker 2: that children can then make their parents citizens as soon
Speaker 2: as they become citizens. Like so, if someone was undocumented,
Speaker 2: right and their child became a citizen and a child,
Speaker 2: you know, five year old child con sponsored them for citizenship,
Speaker 2: and a way they are now the whole family is
Speaker 2: American citizens. Right. And then the logic of this website
Speaker 2: goes that like Biden imports these people, they all become citizens,
Speaker 2: they all vote for the Democrats, right, And this is
Speaker 2: sort of the great replacement theory with a couple more steps.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting that children have to be twenty one
Speaker 2: to sponsor a parent, and if that parent has entered
Speaker 2: the country in an undocumented way, then the parent has
Speaker 2: to leave for a decade and then come back to apply.
Speaker 2: It's not possible to simply citizenize your parents as soon
Speaker 2: as you become a citizen by birth right citizenship. It
Speaker 2: would be an extremely long game to try and have
Speaker 2: a kid in order to gain your own citizenship. I've
Speaker 2: met thousands of migrants who have entered between ports of entry, right,
Speaker 2: I've never met anyone who have articulated this this sort
Speaker 2: of goal, this route to citizenship. He then goes on
Speaker 2: he has this like it's literally a bullet pointed list
Speaker 2: of border policies. Right. These include quote unquote extreme vetting
Speaker 2: at a quote national vetting center. That's a little worrying
Speaker 2: that the National Vetting Center.
Speaker 3: Is going to be doing this vetting. What are they
Speaker 3: vetting for? Who are they vetting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the migrants. Who's going to be doing the
Speaker 2: vetting probably the people who forced women to have abortions
Speaker 2: in their custody and lost thousands of children and have
Speaker 2: been able to relocate their families, So that'll be great.
Speaker 2: It's not also clear what they're vetting for. He doesn't
Speaker 2: say that specifically. He does say that he wants to
Speaker 2: quote unleash interior immigration enforcement, which anyone who's lived in
Speaker 2: the United States in the last decade may have noticed.
Speaker 2: So we in fact have interior immigration Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that has been unleashed. But yeah, it's kind of me
Speaker 2: as whole Twitter thing, But yeah, I think I guess
Speaker 2: this is part of his massive deportation thing, right, his
Speaker 2: goal to deport undocumented people. He does not at any
Speaker 2: point differentiate between undocumented people in the asylum seecrets. He
Speaker 2: seems to see them as one of the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all dangerous illegals or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. And anyone crossing the border for any reason
Speaker 2: other than with visa in hand to him falls into this,
Speaker 2: like should be deported.
Speaker 3: If you are a certain skin tone? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: visa plus the skin tone is what makes it okay?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah. I think it's probably fair. And what
Speaker 2: else has he got on his lord you list here?
Speaker 2: Let's see, there's ending federal grants to sanctuary cities. I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure how he thinks that would work or
Speaker 2: what exactly he means by federal grants, Like we're just
Speaker 2: going to stop having highways in California.
Speaker 3: That would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's return. I'm ready. I'll be riding my
Speaker 2: bike everywhere like a king. He also talks about and
Speaker 2: he calls he ending quote catch and release at the border.
Speaker 2: It's not clear what he means by this.
Speaker 3: I've certainly heard this term a lot the past year.
Speaker 3: Catch and release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like catch and release was used to
Speaker 2: refer sometimes to Title forty two, a policy that Trump
Speaker 2: put in place whereby migrants would be caught and immediately
Speaker 2: turned back into Mexico and released there, and they generally
Speaker 2: try and cross again. And we've covered this in an
Speaker 2: entire series I made on title forty two.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Another of his uh, his weird Little bugbears is ending
Speaker 2: the visa lottery. Are you familiar with the visa lottery? Garrison? Roughly,
Speaker 2: but not super Okay, So the visa lottery is more
Speaker 2: properly called something called the Diversity Visa Program. It allows
Speaker 2: for up to fifty five thousand immigrant visas a year
Speaker 2: for individuals from countries that are underrepresented in the US
Speaker 2: immigration system. So it's literally there to increase diversity, right,
Speaker 2: I guess it's d I. It's d I. He must
Speaker 2: have recorded this before di I was a big deal
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have that shame.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much equity there is going to
Speaker 3: be in the lottery program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're about to find out, Garrison. Okay. Trump
Speaker 2: has repeatedly suggested that he believes that this diversity visa
Speaker 2: program consists of non US countries raffling off green cards
Speaker 2: like you pay and then they draw your number. That
Speaker 2: that's not how it works. It's the United States who
Speaker 2: decides who gets them. It's a computer program that selects
Speaker 2: about fifty thousand applicants from about fifteen million. I have
Speaker 2: met probably hundreds of people who have applied for diversity viewers.
Speaker 2: I meet them all the time every time I'm traveling
Speaker 2: for work, Myanmar, Thailand, Iraq, Kurdis, Dan and Syria, like,
Speaker 2: You'll meet people from all of these places who have
Speaker 2: tried to apply for the system. Most of them end
Speaker 2: up not getting it because the odds are very slim.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: When they do get it, they then have to go
Speaker 2: through a series of vetting processes and then they have
Speaker 2: to make an appointment at a consulate. One of the
Speaker 2: last parts of the process making appoints at a consulate
Speaker 2: to get an interview. Right. What the Trump administration did
Speaker 2: last time was stop people from getting appointments at consulates,
Speaker 2: citing COVID right that they couldn't with the COVID restriction
Speaker 2: to get appointment. That meant that de facto, because you
Speaker 2: only have seven months once you get awarded the visa
Speaker 2: to like fulfill the process and get the paper visa
Speaker 2: and begin your travel, those people weren't able to get it,
Speaker 2: and they had to go back to the start right,
Speaker 2: which is crushing, like, I know how much of their
Speaker 2: money and hope people allocate to these programs and to
Speaker 2: be told like, yeah, you got it. It's incredibly rare,
Speaker 2: and then to be like, oh, actually you can't make
Speaker 2: the appointment. Screw you. It's crushing. Now. The Biden administration,
Speaker 2: in all fairness, has restored their right to book an interview,
Speaker 2: but it's moved to the bottom of the priority list,
Speaker 2: so in practice it's still happening that people can be
Speaker 2: they can quote unquote win the green card lottery and
Speaker 2: still not get a green card. It's a complete mess,
Speaker 2: and transporposal lists to entirely do away with it. This
Speaker 2: would require legislation that doesn't matter. He also has a
Speaker 2: little there's like a one sentence where he claims that
Speaker 2: Biden's border policies are killing migrants, and weirdly, he links
Speaker 2: to an NPR article about it. He's not wrong, like
Speaker 2: he's absolutely not wrong, Like uh.
Speaker 3: But but but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The butt is that Donald Trump would kill a lot more.
Speaker 3: Great I mean yeah, I mean is are those also
Speaker 3: are those like referring specificly to Biden stuff or like
Speaker 3: the stuff that like like that like Governor Abbott's doing
Speaker 3: like what.
Speaker 2: It's the increase in border crossings and bordered deaths from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to present. Much of that is due to
Speaker 2: Trump's Title forty two policy that Biden wholeheartedly supported defended
Speaker 2: in court. Right, because when people were caught and then
Speaker 2: released back across the border, they often they were offered
Speaker 2: unlimited crossings by the people who were like helping them cross,
Speaker 2: or they the facto, had unlimited chances to cross because
Speaker 2: they're just being dropped back in Mexico. Right, Yeah, They're
Speaker 2: often they're dropped without any resources in places where they
Speaker 2: have no communities, so they try and cross again, and
Speaker 2: they end up going to more and more remote places
Speaker 2: because they don't want to get caught, right, or so
Speaker 2: they end up crossing in the places where there are
Speaker 2: gaps in the wall. Those tend to be very remote,
Speaker 2: and those tend to be the places where people die.
Speaker 2: So you can map the deaths and you can you
Speaker 2: can see this in real time happen.
Speaker 3: And Trump's pretending to find this to be a problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Trump is very sad about this. He's big sad.
Speaker 2: So he's gonna he's gonna make a kind of gender
Speaker 2: immigration system. It's Garrison. Do you know, do you know
Speaker 2: what else it is kinder and gentler than the immigration system.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess the ads. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if ads might kill less people, but it's really hard
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think they probably would. I think we
Speaker 2: can we can confidently.
Speaker 3: Say now that cigarette ads are are What.
Speaker 2: If it's a banana advert, because then you can get
Speaker 2: into the whole sort of you know, like.
Speaker 3: All right, well here, let's play these ads.
Speaker 2: We're back. Enjoy your fruit.
Speaker 3: I love ethical fruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then nothing, grow your own fruit. That's the
Speaker 2: message of this podcast. And then if we didn't have
Speaker 2: if we did grow our own fruit, we wouldn't have destabilized
Speaker 2: many of the countries that these migrants are coming from.
Speaker 3: Beautiful Georgia, peaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we destabilized Georgia. Boy can dream. So there's
Speaker 2: a couple of other bugbears, little sort of things that
Speaker 2: Trump has. One of them is benefits for migrants. Now,
Speaker 2: this is something that's been hopping around the right wing
Speaker 2: for a while. It's really been more sort of one
Speaker 2: of their talking points in the last few months. I think,
Speaker 2: like since right wing stream has certainly started coming to
Speaker 2: places where I volunteered on the border. I've heard them
Speaker 2: talking about it. I tried not to hear them talking,
Speaker 2: so they might have been talking about it for and
Speaker 2: I was just not paying attention. Just be super clear
Speaker 2: and document. People are not eligible for most benefits. Even
Speaker 2: people with legal status have a range of hurdles, including.
Speaker 3: Even if you have even if you have a green
Speaker 3: curd there's a lot of stuff you can.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and there are also public charge rules, which
Speaker 2: in some cases some forms of assistance might be a
Speaker 2: hurdle if you are looking to change your immigration status,
Speaker 2: so even if you had accepted them, that that might
Speaker 2: stop you moving along the immigration pathway. That's only for
Speaker 2: things like SSI and TAN. But I don't think we
Speaker 2: need to go into the nitty gritty of it. He
Speaker 2: claims that people are coming here to live off benefits.
Speaker 2: He calls quote welfare and a gigantic magnet drawing people
Speaker 2: from all over the world. They want to come to
Speaker 2: the United States. They want to feast off the sweat
Speaker 2: and savings of the American taxpayer. Feasting off sweat is
Speaker 2: not a beautiful image, but well no, it's He continues
Speaker 2: to claim that these migrants also take American jobs. Right,
Speaker 2: so that once climbing unemployment benefits and taking American jobs.
Speaker 2: And again, like I don't think Donald Trump stuff has
Speaker 2: to line up for it to be dangerous, just to
Speaker 2: like inject a moment of like factual analysis. Again, you
Speaker 2: have to wait at least five months after applying for
Speaker 2: work permit. When you ripe her as a refugee to
Speaker 2: get a work permit, you may not apply straight away.
Speaker 2: Many people wait for a year or more without the
Speaker 2: right to work. Undocumented workers working under the table are
Speaker 2: hugely underpaid, very frequently abused, and the reason again where
Speaker 2: your fruit is cheap. He says in his Day one
Speaker 2: plan that he's going to stop migrant workers taking American
Speaker 2: jobs by having like American hiring provisions for all federal agencies.
Speaker 2: Federal agencies are not hiring undocumented people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's simply not happening.
Speaker 2: That is just that is Like believe me, I am
Speaker 2: a person who has been a migrant to this country.
Speaker 2: The amount of bullshit you have to go to to
Speaker 2: even do a government job like teaching is a large
Speaker 2: amount of bullshit. And they absolutely are not hiring undocumented people.
Speaker 2: I bring this garrison to the final pillar of the
Speaker 2: Trump immigration policy and f this one, Garrison, I want
Speaker 2: you to take a moment to listen to this clip
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump explaining the well researched information that he
Speaker 2: uses to develop his immigration policy.
Speaker 4: I was thrilled to host a screening at Bedminster of
Speaker 4: the important new film Sound of Freedom, about the power
Speaker 4: of faith in overcoming evil, and in particular the evil
Speaker 4: of child trafficking. Big problem. We had it down to
Speaker 4: the lowest number in many years just four years ago,
Speaker 4: and now it's gone through the roof, even though the
Speaker 4: fake news media has tried to ignore it. Sound of
Speaker 4: Freedom has been a national sensation and a colossal success
Speaker 4: at the box office, really big numbers. Everyone should see it.
Speaker 4: This is a very important film and very important movie,
Speaker 4: and it's a very important documentary all wrapped up in one.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're sliding another I there in between
Speaker 3: L and M.
Speaker 2: I've heard spoken around the world, and I've never heard
Speaker 2: that pronounced that way.
Speaker 3: Farious choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a fascinating man.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, besides the point, like most of those
Speaker 3: had a Freedom tickets were but by right wing billionaires
Speaker 3: and were completely empty seats.
Speaker 2: He goes on to detail the exact number of dollars
Speaker 2: it took in the opening week, to talk about how
Speaker 2: it's such a success. Yes, decent, A decent amount of
Speaker 2: his entire child drafting policy. Is him describing the film Freedom.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, like that was that was a gift that
Speaker 2: I did not if you read the transcript, do you
Speaker 2: miss out on some of these absolute easter eggs that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump leaves.
Speaker 3: I think I I think I saw a clip of
Speaker 3: him at a rally recently where he was talking about
Speaker 3: Center Freedom and he also said it like that. No,
Speaker 3: it was I know what it was. It was talking
Speaker 3: about David Lynch. When there was that misquote about about
Speaker 3: Lynch saying like like Trump seems like like like an
Speaker 3: energetic guy or something, and he's like philim filim director,
Speaker 3: David Lynch endorsed me for president. It's like, Okay, that's
Speaker 3: not whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then he's uh, yeah, so he's.
Speaker 3: He's been saying this way for like almost ten years
Speaker 3: at least, because that's insane.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Because because that yeah, because that clip was from like
Speaker 3: the twenty fifteen campaign rallies.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so it's not Yeah, Wow, the power of
Speaker 2: simility an incredible thing. Uh. If any anyone else, anyone
Speaker 2: we could do like the NPR thing, if you if
Speaker 2: they say film where you come from.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone else's I really don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, there's not a Yeah, he just comes
Speaker 2: up with his stuff from a blank slate.
Speaker 3: Well that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone else is cool.
Speaker 3: It's uh, this is all of this video is called
Speaker 3: like Trump calls for a death penalty and we're laughing
Speaker 3: and we're laughing about pronunciation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, unfortunately, Garrison, it's time to stop laughing because yes,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I'm going to outline a death penalty thing. Quote.
Speaker 2: I will urge Congress to ensure that anyone caught trafficking
Speaker 2: children across our border receives the death penalty immediately. And
Speaker 2: that includes also for women, because women, as you know,
Speaker 2: are number one in trafficking children are actually number two.
Speaker 2: That's the sentence, which you could pick apart for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 3: What does he mean by trafficking.
Speaker 2: That is extremely unclear. He seems to mean the arrival
Speaker 2: of people in the United States.
Speaker 3: Right, Like that's kind of what it sounds like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it sounds like it just means crossing the border.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, he well because he he also says, quote,
Speaker 6: I will use Title forty two to end the child
Speaker 6: trafficking crisis by returning all traffic children to their families
Speaker 6: in their home countries and without delay.
Speaker 2: I made an entire fucking series on Title forty two.
Speaker 2: I recorded it in a week, and then I wrote
Speaker 2: it in a week, and then we edited it, and
Speaker 2: it has destroyed me and I have never recovered. Title
Speaker 2: forty two does absolutely nothing about child trafficking. Title forty
Speaker 2: two returns all migrants or anyone crossing the border between
Speaker 2: ports of entry to Mexico, which suggests that he sees
Speaker 2: all these people as trafficked, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also absolutely does not reunite children with their families.
Speaker 2: This is the administration that separated families at the border
Speaker 2: and has in some cases been unable to find the
Speaker 2: parents of the children it's separated. Friends of mine have
Speaker 2: worked for a very long time, very hard, absolutely not
Speaker 2: for the tra administration trying to find those people's families.
Speaker 2: But it's really interesting that he is talking about Title
Speaker 2: forty two again. Title forty two, if you're not familiar
Speaker 2: as a public health law, right, it's to stop the
Speaker 2: introduction of infectious disease into the United States. It's a
Speaker 2: very old law that was initially designed around tuberculosis. So,
Speaker 2: and we know that Trump administration planned to use Title
Speaker 2: forty two before coronavirus was a Coronavirus is already a
Speaker 2: thing before COVID nineteen with the thing, right, So, he's
Speaker 2: just being completely open about his idea to manipulate public
Speaker 2: health law in a way that allows him to do
Speaker 2: things immigration law would not allow him to do. Right.
Speaker 2: He also finishes up, I guess by making his claim
Speaker 2: once again. He goes back to the well that is
Speaker 2: the fucking border war. Right. I'm just going to quote here.
Speaker 2: We created the most secure border in US history, dealing
Speaker 2: a major blow to the cartels in traffickers. We built
Speaker 2: hundreds of miles a wall, ran innovated hundreds of miles
Speaker 2: of war. We built hundreds of miles of war. We
Speaker 2: never had anything like it. And then I got Mexico
Speaker 2: free of charge to give us twenty eight thousand soldiers
Speaker 2: to protect us from people coming into our country illegally.
Speaker 2: It's not going to surprise anyone that this is bullshit.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Trump first made this hundreds of miles of war claim
Speaker 2: In a debate with Biden, I filed a foyer for
Speaker 2: a new war building that night. The best estimate I
Speaker 2: can come up with, based on the documents I got
Speaker 2: from Foyer and from other people's foyers, is that they
Speaker 2: built about eighty five miles of new war. They did
Speaker 2: replace several hundred miles of war, and in some cases
Speaker 2: that went from a pretty insignificant barrier to a pretty
Speaker 2: large one. The twenty eight thousand soldier thing this will
Speaker 2: shock you was also not true. There was an agreement
Speaker 2: at twenty nineteen with Mexico that didn't list a specific
Speaker 2: number of troops, but it did say that most of
Speaker 2: them will be in the southern half of the country
Speaker 2: and Mexico's border with Guatemala. He then goes on just
Speaker 2: a complete tangent where he says, I will rage war
Speaker 2: on the cartels, just as I destroyed the ISIS Caliphate.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent gone, one hundred percent destroyed.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's why that attack in Russia was Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, yeah, it's gone. Yeah. Isis
Speaker 2: car bombed the street that I stayed on a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks after I left in October, Like.
Speaker 3: This is why the isis press people are like begging
Speaker 3: people to like to believe that isis is like still
Speaker 3: a thing. They're like, no, please, We're still real. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're still around.
Speaker 2: Please, I'm a real boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the Pinocchio ices. That'll be a highly entertaining film. Look,
Speaker 2: I want to finish up by saying here that, like,
Speaker 2: as we saw in Donald Trump's first term, his malice
Speaker 2: is really only matched by his incompetence, and his incompetence
Speaker 2: at the border is much less important. I guess he's
Speaker 2: he's been able to be more competent at the border
Speaker 2: than he has been anywhere else in enacting his policies.
Speaker 2: He managed to do plenty of things in his first
Speaker 2: term that are un constitutional because the system only really
Speaker 2: works when the people playing the game agree that the
Speaker 2: rules of the game are more important than the outcome.
Speaker 2: And that's not the case with Donald Trump. Right. We
Speaker 2: know that the fact that he dedicated so much of
Speaker 2: his agenda forty seven pages to migration tells us that
Speaker 2: peddling great replacement theories is going to be a major
Speaker 2: part of his campaign and a major part of his
Speaker 2: second term. If he gets one. The sources that he
Speaker 2: links to here tell us that he's as addicted to
Speaker 2: right wing rage bait as he ever was, and that
Speaker 2: he's still surrounded by cranks and crackpots with fringe on
Speaker 2: the flag level conspiracy theories. None of this stuff, none
Speaker 2: of my suggestions that what he's saying is false or
Speaker 2: illegal or impossible under the constitution mean that it's not dangerous. Right.
Speaker 2: I would have told you in twenty sixteen that it
Speaker 2: was illegal to bounce people back to Mexico without hearing
Speaker 2: their asylum claims, because it is. But we had it
Speaker 2: under a democratic president for three years. We had it
Speaker 2: under Trump for a year. Right, it still happened. He
Speaker 2: succeeded in moving the border and migration debate massively to
Speaker 2: the right, and we have Biden advocating for things that
Speaker 2: would not have flown like that. Clinton would have been
Speaker 2: a ghast at right, and just by Trump making this
Speaker 2: an issue, even if he doesn't get elected in November,
Speaker 2: Biden's going to try and fight him on this by
Speaker 2: claiming that he too is tough on the border, He
Speaker 2: too is tough on these fictional things like the taking
Speaker 2: of American jobs or migrants claiming public benefits or birthright
Speaker 2: citizenship right that Biden has completely failed to plow his
Speaker 2: own path on this, and he said he's entirely reactive
Speaker 2: to Trump. So I think I guess the big take
Speaker 2: home here is that whatever happens in November, things that
Speaker 2: the border are going to be terrible, just like they're
Speaker 2: terrible now.
Speaker 3: And and you can't just rely on politicians to do
Speaker 3: things at the border, like there's actually like you can't
Speaker 3: just push it away, be like, oh, now that so
Speaker 3: and so's in charge, now I don't have to think
Speaker 3: about it, be.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's the whole fucking problem, right. The reason
Speaker 2: that we are so broke, the reason that I personally
Speaker 2: am so broken and my truck is falling apart, is
Speaker 2: that that is what people are doing. At least with Trump.
Speaker 2: We got money in twenty eighteen when he held the
Speaker 2: Mi caravan at the border in Tijuana. My friends and
Speaker 2: I were there doing mutual aid, and we did just
Speaker 2: what we're doing now in a cumba right. We fed people,
Speaker 2: we bought them blankets, we took care of them, and
Speaker 2: we stop them from dying. But at least libs sent
Speaker 2: us money, like we had tons of money. I remember
Speaker 2: spending one thousand dollars on soft toys in the Costco
Speaker 2: in Tijuana. That doesn't happen anymore because people think that
Speaker 2: they voted for the kind, gentle, nice guy. And I guess, like,
Speaker 2: I want people to look at this with the understanding
Speaker 2: that whatever happens at the ballot box, like you need
Speaker 2: to help with the boarder because neither of these politicians
Speaker 2: are going to That's my my speech. Thank you for
Speaker 2: listening to our podcast. Anything else, Garrison.
Speaker 3: No, no, but we we will be back tomorrow with
Speaker 3: more exciting, exciting news about Yeah, what are we sell
Speaker 3: an agenda either, Actually I don't know because we have
Speaker 3: not planned it out that far ahead. Throughout the rest
Speaker 3: of the week, we'll be talking about Trump's plans for
Speaker 3: handling the gender question, trump declaring war on cartels, and
Speaker 3: his plans to fix the pharmaceutical industry. So all.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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