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Speaker 1: Also media, Hello and welcome, da could happen here podcast

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Speaker 1: where my friend Garrison Davis and I inc her countless

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Speaker 1: amounts of trauma by watching videos of Donald Trump talking

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Speaker 1: about things he doesn't understand.

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Speaker 2: How you doing today, Garrison.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm doing fine and peachy on this wonderful spring afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll sort that out for you. We'll bring you

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Speaker 2: back down because what we gathered here today to discuss, Garrison,

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Speaker 2: is that we talked about gender forty seven yesterday. So

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Speaker 2: hopefully people have listened. If you haven't, you know, you

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Speaker 2: can go back and understand what the gender forty seven is.

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Speaker 2: This short version is that it's Donald Trump's policy platform

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Speaker 2: for his proposed second term. Right, if he gets elected

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, and there is a lot of

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Speaker 3: A lot of forty seven. Yeah, yeah, arguably too much

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Speaker 3: agenda forty seven, yes, so yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: One could argue that, I think quite compellingly, what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about today is his bordered immigration policy. And I

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Speaker 2: don't think it'll shock anyone to hear that these are

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Speaker 2: major pillars of gender forty seven. Right, he kind of

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Speaker 2: launched his political career with an incredibly bigoted speech about migrants,

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Speaker 2: and it's been the real through line, Like the only thing,

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Speaker 2: it certainly seems like he has plans to a lot

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Speaker 2: guess Biden's tried to counter this by lurching to the right,

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Speaker 2: but he's handled a lot of people in the process.

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Speaker 2: But this hasn't stopped Trump without taking a breath out,

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Speaker 2: flanking him far to the right on immigration policy. So

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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to talk about today. So Gender

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Speaker 2: forty seven website. It's structured with a series of these

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Speaker 2: spectacular own goal also transcripted, which just like like Garrison

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Speaker 2: said yesterday, it is a joy to read Donald Trump speaking.

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Speaker 2: Without hearing Donald Trump speaking, it is you never know

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Speaker 2: what's coming next, like it consistently blindside you. No one

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Speaker 2: no one could replicate Donald Trump. So a lot of

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Speaker 2: the pages detail his proposed actions on his first day

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Speaker 2: to be this is not a man who attended civic

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Speaker 3: Well because because it was one weaponized Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah, he he's loving American didn't go. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The other things address like cloudy right wing talking points

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Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. His big theme going through all

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Speaker 3: Voice because you're cursed with your britishness blessed yes, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: God's chosen people. Okay, yeah, average average Christian identity opinion heaverage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, big big Christian identity opinion have it? Okay?

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump, right, his big thing is taking a

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Speaker 2: swing at the Fourteenth Amendment right a birthright citizenship it's

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Speaker 2: very funny that it's not funny. Actually it's quite fucked.

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Speaker 2: But if you're not familiar, the Fourteenth Amendment was passed

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Speaker 2: the Fourteenth Amendment, there's a sentence that reads, all persons

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, doesn't it. It does. What you're not considering

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Speaker 2: Garrison is like some fringes on the Flagg tier legal bullshit,

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Speaker 2: which Donald Trump and his camp, unsurprisingly are pursuing. We're

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Speaker 2: This is they're not the first group of people to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So John, Donald Trump's now bringing I guess,

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Speaker 2: I mean I guarantee, I guarantee. Let's us google it

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Speaker 2: going to be one of two things. Stonewall really splits. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: So the fourteenth Amendment has been really pivotal in American history.

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Speaker 2: It gave us the Road decision, which has now been overheard,

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Speaker 2: is that it superseded the dread Scott case and shrind

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Speaker 2: regardless of race or a snithety, to be a citizen.

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Speaker 2: And it has a few exemptions like I think the

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Speaker 2: a dual citizen. Trump proposes that he's going to stop

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Speaker 3: Can you remove another of the Constitution by executive order? James,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a legal expert by any means.

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Speaker 2: If American history would be very different if you could

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Speaker 2: This has been a continuing theme since. Actually, Matt Gates,

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Speaker 2: The legal justification that he offers most often comes from

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Speaker 2: I do not. Johnny'sman was the one of the legal

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Speaker 3: And it has constantly affirmed his ability to do crimes

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like this is a man who tried to

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Speaker 2: do you know what won't take rights away from your children?

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Speaker 3: I forget what food service box we have and therefore

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Speaker 2: those outports. The second thing Donald Trump is big mad

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Speaker 2: about is something called birth tourism. What that he calls

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you take a holiday to the the womb,

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Speaker 2: you go into like a pod and it's very I thought.

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Speaker 3: It's where you take a holiday summer to pop out

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Speaker 2: That's what it actually is.

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Speaker 3: I didn't die. I didn't think of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, many few people have. But now now the words

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Speaker 2: is interesting about his quote unquote birth tourism claims, it's

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Speaker 2: not like obviously this again has been a right wing

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Speaker 2: It's the increase in border crossings and bordered deaths from

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Speaker 2: So he's gonna he's gonna make a kind of gender

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Speaker 2: If it's a banana advert, because then you can get

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Speaker 2: into the whole sort of you know, like.

437
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Speaker 3: All right, well here, let's play these ads.

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Speaker 2: We're back. Enjoy your fruit.

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00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 3: I love ethical fruit.

440
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then nothing, grow your own fruit. That's the

441
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: message of this podcast. And then if we didn't have

442
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: if we did grow our own fruit, we wouldn't have destabilized

443
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: many of the countries that these migrants are coming from.

444
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Speaker 3: Beautiful Georgia, peaches.

445
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we destabilized Georgia. Boy can dream. So there's

446
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: a couple of other bugbears, little sort of things that

447
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: Trump has. One of them is benefits for migrants. Now,

448
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: this is something that's been hopping around the right wing

449
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: for a while. It's really been more sort of one

450
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: of their talking points in the last few months. I think,

451
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: like since right wing stream has certainly started coming to

452
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Speaker 2: places where I volunteered on the border. I've heard them

453
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Speaker 2: talking about it. I tried not to hear them talking,

454
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: so they might have been talking about it for and

455
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: I was just not paying attention. Just be super clear

456
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Speaker 2: and document. People are not eligible for most benefits. Even

457
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: people with legal status have a range of hurdles, including.

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Speaker 3: Even if you have even if you have a green

459
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Speaker 3: curd there's a lot of stuff you can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and there are also public charge rules, which

461
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: in some cases some forms of assistance might be a

462
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: hurdle if you are looking to change your immigration status,

463
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: so even if you had accepted them, that that might

464
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Speaker 2: stop you moving along the immigration pathway. That's only for

465
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Speaker 2: things like SSI and TAN. But I don't think we

466
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: need to go into the nitty gritty of it. He

467
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: claims that people are coming here to live off benefits.

468
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Speaker 2: He calls quote welfare and a gigantic magnet drawing people

469
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Speaker 2: from all over the world. They want to come to

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Speaker 2: the United States. They want to feast off the sweat

471
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Speaker 2: and savings of the American taxpayer. Feasting off sweat is

472
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Speaker 2: not a beautiful image, but well no, it's He continues

473
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Speaker 2: to claim that these migrants also take American jobs. Right,

474
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: so that once climbing unemployment benefits and taking American jobs.

475
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 2: And again, like I don't think Donald Trump stuff has

476
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 2: to line up for it to be dangerous, just to

477
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 2: like inject a moment of like factual analysis. Again, you

478
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: have to wait at least five months after applying for

479
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: work permit. When you ripe her as a refugee to

480
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: get a work permit, you may not apply straight away.

481
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: Many people wait for a year or more without the

482
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Speaker 2: right to work. Undocumented workers working under the table are

483
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Speaker 2: hugely underpaid, very frequently abused, and the reason again where

484
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: your fruit is cheap. He says in his Day one

485
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: plan that he's going to stop migrant workers taking American

486
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: jobs by having like American hiring provisions for all federal agencies.

487
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Speaker 2: Federal agencies are not hiring undocumented people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's simply not happening.

489
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Speaker 2: That is just that is Like believe me, I am

490
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Speaker 2: a person who has been a migrant to this country.

491
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Speaker 2: The amount of bullshit you have to go to to

492
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: even do a government job like teaching is a large

493
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: amount of bullshit. And they absolutely are not hiring undocumented people.

494
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Speaker 2: I bring this garrison to the final pillar of the

495
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Trump immigration policy and f this one, Garrison, I want

496
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Speaker 2: you to take a moment to listen to this clip

497
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump explaining the well researched information that he

498
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Speaker 2: uses to develop his immigration policy.

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Speaker 4: I was thrilled to host a screening at Bedminster of

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Speaker 4: the important new film Sound of Freedom, about the power

501
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: of faith in overcoming evil, and in particular the evil

502
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: of child trafficking. Big problem. We had it down to

503
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Speaker 4: the lowest number in many years just four years ago,

504
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Speaker 4: and now it's gone through the roof, even though the

505
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: fake news media has tried to ignore it. Sound of

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Speaker 4: Freedom has been a national sensation and a colossal success

507
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: at the box office, really big numbers. Everyone should see it.

508
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 4: This is a very important film and very important movie,

509
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: and it's a very important documentary all wrapped up in one.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's crazy.

511
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah film.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're sliding another I there in between

513
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Speaker 3: L and M.

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00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: I've heard spoken around the world, and I've never heard

515
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: that pronounced that way.

516
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: Farious choice.

517
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a fascinating man.

518
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, besides the point, like most of those

519
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: had a Freedom tickets were but by right wing billionaires

520
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: and were completely empty seats.

521
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: He goes on to detail the exact number of dollars

522
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: it took in the opening week, to talk about how

523
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: it's such a success. Yes, decent, A decent amount of

524
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: his entire child drafting policy. Is him describing the film Freedom.

525
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Speaker 2: It's incredible, like that was that was a gift that

526
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: I did not if you read the transcript, do you

527
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: miss out on some of these absolute easter eggs that

528
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: Donald Trump leaves.

529
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: I think I I think I saw a clip of

530
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: him at a rally recently where he was talking about

531
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Speaker 3: Center Freedom and he also said it like that. No,

532
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: it was I know what it was. It was talking

533
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: about David Lynch. When there was that misquote about about

534
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: Lynch saying like like Trump seems like like like an

535
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: energetic guy or something, and he's like philim filim director,

536
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: David Lynch endorsed me for president. It's like, Okay, that's

537
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Speaker 3: not whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then he's uh, yeah, so he's.

539
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: He's been saying this way for like almost ten years

540
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: at least, because that's insane.

541
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Speaker 2: Actually yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: Because because that yeah, because that clip was from like

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Speaker 3: the twenty fifteen campaign rallies.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's so it's not Yeah, Wow, the power of

545
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: simility an incredible thing. Uh. If any anyone else, anyone

546
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: we could do like the NPR thing, if you if

547
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: they say film where you come from.

548
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone else's I really don't think so.

549
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, there's not a Yeah, he just comes

550
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: up with his stuff from a blank slate.

551
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Well that's cool.

552
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone else is cool.

553
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: It's uh, this is all of this video is called

554
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: like Trump calls for a death penalty and we're laughing

555
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: and we're laughing about pronunciation.

556
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, unfortunately, Garrison, it's time to stop laughing because yes,

557
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I'm going to outline a death penalty thing. Quote.

558
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: I will urge Congress to ensure that anyone caught trafficking

559
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: children across our border receives the death penalty immediately. And

560
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: that includes also for women, because women, as you know,

561
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: are number one in trafficking children are actually number two.

562
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Speaker 2: That's the sentence, which you could pick apart for a

563
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Speaker 2: long time.

564
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Speaker 3: What does he mean by trafficking.

565
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: That is extremely unclear. He seems to mean the arrival

566
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Speaker 2: of people in the United States.

567
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: Right, Like that's kind of what it sounds like. Yeah,

568
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: like it sounds like it just means crossing the border.

569
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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, he well because he he also says, quote,

570
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 6: I will use Title forty two to end the child

571
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 6: trafficking crisis by returning all traffic children to their families

572
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Speaker 6: in their home countries and without delay.

573
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Speaker 2: I made an entire fucking series on Title forty two.

574
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Speaker 2: I recorded it in a week, and then I wrote

575
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: it in a week, and then we edited it, and

576
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: it has destroyed me and I have never recovered. Title

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00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: forty two does absolutely nothing about child trafficking. Title forty

578
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: two returns all migrants or anyone crossing the border between

579
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Speaker 2: ports of entry to Mexico, which suggests that he sees

580
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Speaker 2: all these people as trafficked, right.

581
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

582
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: It also absolutely does not reunite children with their families.

583
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: This is the administration that separated families at the border

584
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Speaker 2: and has in some cases been unable to find the

585
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Speaker 2: parents of the children it's separated. Friends of mine have

586
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: worked for a very long time, very hard, absolutely not

587
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: for the tra administration trying to find those people's families.

588
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: But it's really interesting that he is talking about Title

589
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: forty two again. Title forty two, if you're not familiar

590
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: as a public health law, right, it's to stop the

591
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: introduction of infectious disease into the United States. It's a

592
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: very old law that was initially designed around tuberculosis. So,

593
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: and we know that Trump administration planned to use Title

594
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Speaker 2: forty two before coronavirus was a Coronavirus is already a

595
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: thing before COVID nineteen with the thing, right, So, he's

596
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: just being completely open about his idea to manipulate public

597
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: health law in a way that allows him to do

598
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: things immigration law would not allow him to do. Right.

599
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: He also finishes up, I guess by making his claim

600
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Speaker 2: once again. He goes back to the well that is

601
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: the fucking border war. Right. I'm just going to quote here.

602
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: We created the most secure border in US history, dealing

603
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Speaker 2: a major blow to the cartels in traffickers. We built

604
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Speaker 2: hundreds of miles a wall, ran innovated hundreds of miles

605
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: of war. We built hundreds of miles of war. We

606
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Speaker 2: never had anything like it. And then I got Mexico

607
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: free of charge to give us twenty eight thousand soldiers

608
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Speaker 2: to protect us from people coming into our country illegally.

609
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Speaker 2: It's not going to surprise anyone that this is bullshit.

610
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: Right.

611
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 2: Trump first made this hundreds of miles of war claim

612
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: In a debate with Biden, I filed a foyer for

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Speaker 2: a new war building that night. The best estimate I

614
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: can come up with, based on the documents I got

615
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: from Foyer and from other people's foyers, is that they

616
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: built about eighty five miles of new war. They did

617
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: replace several hundred miles of war, and in some cases

618
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: that went from a pretty insignificant barrier to a pretty

619
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Speaker 2: large one. The twenty eight thousand soldier thing this will

620
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: shock you was also not true. There was an agreement

621
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Speaker 2: at twenty nineteen with Mexico that didn't list a specific

622
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Speaker 2: number of troops, but it did say that most of

623
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Speaker 2: them will be in the southern half of the country

624
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: and Mexico's border with Guatemala. He then goes on just

625
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: a complete tangent where he says, I will rage war

626
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: on the cartels, just as I destroyed the ISIS Caliphate.

627
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent gone, one hundred percent destroyed.

628
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's why that attack in Russia was Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, yeah, it's gone. Yeah. Isis

630
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: car bombed the street that I stayed on a couple

631
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Speaker 2: of weeks after I left in October, Like.

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Speaker 3: This is why the isis press people are like begging

633
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: people to like to believe that isis is like still

634
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 3: a thing. They're like, no, please, We're still real. Yeah,

635
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: we're still around.

636
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: Please, I'm a real boy.

637
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah.

638
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the Pinocchio ices. That'll be a highly entertaining film. Look,

639
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: I want to finish up by saying here that, like,

640
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: as we saw in Donald Trump's first term, his malice

641
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: is really only matched by his incompetence, and his incompetence

642
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: at the border is much less important. I guess he's

643
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: he's been able to be more competent at the border

644
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: than he has been anywhere else in enacting his policies.

645
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: He managed to do plenty of things in his first

646
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: term that are un constitutional because the system only really

647
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: works when the people playing the game agree that the

648
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: rules of the game are more important than the outcome.

649
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: And that's not the case with Donald Trump. Right. We

650
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: know that the fact that he dedicated so much of

651
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: his agenda forty seven pages to migration tells us that

652
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 2: peddling great replacement theories is going to be a major

653
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Speaker 2: part of his campaign and a major part of his

654
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: second term. If he gets one. The sources that he

655
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: links to here tell us that he's as addicted to

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Speaker 2: right wing rage bait as he ever was, and that

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Speaker 2: he's still surrounded by cranks and crackpots with fringe on

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Speaker 2: the flag level conspiracy theories. None of this stuff, none

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Speaker 2: of my suggestions that what he's saying is false or

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Speaker 2: illegal or impossible under the constitution mean that it's not dangerous. Right.

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Speaker 2: I would have told you in twenty sixteen that it

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Speaker 2: was illegal to bounce people back to Mexico without hearing

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Speaker 2: their asylum claims, because it is. But we had it

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Speaker 2: under a democratic president for three years. We had it

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Speaker 2: under Trump for a year. Right, it still happened. He

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Speaker 2: succeeded in moving the border and migration debate massively to

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Speaker 2: the right, and we have Biden advocating for things that

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Speaker 2: would not have flown like that. Clinton would have been

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Speaker 2: a ghast at right, and just by Trump making this

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Speaker 2: an issue, even if he doesn't get elected in November,

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Speaker 2: Biden's going to try and fight him on this by

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Speaker 2: claiming that he too is tough on the border, He

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Speaker 2: too is tough on these fictional things like the taking

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Speaker 2: of American jobs or migrants claiming public benefits or birthright

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Speaker 2: citizenship right that Biden has completely failed to plow his

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Speaker 2: own path on this, and he said he's entirely reactive

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Speaker 2: to Trump. So I think I guess the big take

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Speaker 2: home here is that whatever happens in November, things that

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Speaker 2: the border are going to be terrible, just like they're

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Speaker 2: terrible now.

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Speaker 3: And and you can't just rely on politicians to do

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Speaker 3: things at the border, like there's actually like you can't

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Speaker 3: just push it away, be like, oh, now that so

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Speaker 3: and so's in charge, now I don't have to think

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Speaker 3: about it, be.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, that's the whole fucking problem, right. The reason

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Speaker 2: that we are so broke, the reason that I personally

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Speaker 2: am so broken and my truck is falling apart, is

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Speaker 2: that that is what people are doing. At least with Trump.

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Speaker 2: We got money in twenty eighteen when he held the

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Speaker 2: Mi caravan at the border in Tijuana. My friends and

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Speaker 2: I were there doing mutual aid, and we did just

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Speaker 2: what we're doing now in a cumba right. We fed people,

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Speaker 2: we bought them blankets, we took care of them, and

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Speaker 2: we stop them from dying. But at least libs sent

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Speaker 2: us money, like we had tons of money. I remember

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Speaker 2: spending one thousand dollars on soft toys in the Costco

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Speaker 2: in Tijuana. That doesn't happen anymore because people think that

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Speaker 2: they voted for the kind, gentle, nice guy. And I guess, like,

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Speaker 2: I want people to look at this with the understanding

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Speaker 2: that whatever happens at the ballot box, like you need

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Speaker 2: to help with the boarder because neither of these politicians

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Speaker 2: are going to That's my my speech. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to our podcast. Anything else, Garrison.

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Speaker 3: No, no, but we we will be back tomorrow with

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Speaker 3: more exciting, exciting news about Yeah, what are we sell

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Speaker 3: an agenda either, Actually I don't know because we have

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Speaker 3: not planned it out that far ahead. Throughout the rest

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Speaker 3: of the week, we'll be talking about Trump's plans for

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Speaker 3: handling the gender question, trump declaring war on cartels, and

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Speaker 3: his plans to fix the pharmaceutical industry. So all.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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