1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: From the Berkshires to the sound from wherever you live 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is Inside the Parker. You give 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: on Major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: voter number seventy six, Rob Parker. Welcome into a very 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: special Hall of Fame edition of Inside the Parker. And Man, 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: we have a great show for you today. We're gonna 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: talk with of course, baseball analyst John Rossi from MLB 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Network and from Fox. We'll talk about the inductee, uh, 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk about people who didn't make it, that and 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: much more. Let's go to lead off it's getting robbed 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: and keep him on. Rob's hot take on the three 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: biggest stories in Major League Baseball. Number one, former St. 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Louis Carr knows in Philadelphia, Philly third baseman Scott Roland 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: is going to the Baseball Hall of Fame is going 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: to Cooper's Town. Yes, we got the announcement on Tuesday that, uh, 17 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Scott Roland will will be headed to Cooper's Town, which 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: is pretty shocking. I mean, this is a guy who 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: his first year on the ballot received just ten point 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: two percent of the vote back in eighteen, you need 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: seventy to get in. And here we are five years 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: later and Scott Rowland got seventies six point three, I mean, 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: a sixty six percent uh percentage better from the same 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: writers who ignored him the first year. And I was 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: one of those guys. My ballot, as you know, is 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: public and is out of only voted for Gary Sheffield. 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: He passes the automatic test for me with the five 28 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: hundred and nine career home runs. Anybody who gets five 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: hundred home runs three hundred ends as a picture or 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: three thousand hits automatically gets my vote. And Scott Roland 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: just does not measure up. He had about two thousand 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: hits three hundred sixteen home runs, less than thirteen hundred 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: RBIs in seventeen years a career to eighty one batting average. 34 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to the sound of the 35 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: press conference and his announcement, the only person more shocked 36 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: at me that he got in. What Scott rolling when 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: the phone call came and we still I saw Baseball 38 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame on my phone, you know what, I 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: missed the phone call, but you kind of look around 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: like that actually did just happen. Here's the problem, what 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Scott rolling? When you allow a guy who never wanted 42 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: m v P, never led the league in home runs, 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: it's just a lot of major awards. He was never 44 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: considered when he was playing the best player in the game. 45 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: And he was a good player, a very good player. 46 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: But this is not the Hall of the very good. 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: This is supposed to be about the best or the best. 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: And and I think the writers, again, not wanting to 49 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: have a year with nobody get in, they settled on 50 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Scott Rowland. Here's the issue. If you're gonna do Scott Roland, 51 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: how in the world could you not put former metic 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: and Cardinals first baseman Keith Hernandez in the Hall of Fame. 53 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: He has so many more uh stats and accomplishments. He 54 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: won an m v P, he won a batting title, 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: he won two World Series. I mean, I go on 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: and on all he had more hits, he had less strikeouts, 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: he won eleven straight Gold Gloves. I don't he had 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: a higher batting average. I don't even get it. Keith 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: her Nandez got no momentum as a Hall of Famer, 60 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: but yet six years after being on the ballot, Scott 61 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: Rowland is a Hall of Famer. Doesn't even sound right, 62 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: doesn't even feel right. And I don't want to feel 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: like I'm just just totally bashing his career like he 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: was a bum. But I think the Baseball Hall of 65 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: Fame has been downgraded just as we continue to do this, 66 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: and it's a mistake. Number two. The big problem here 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: is when you start putting in players who are not 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: of that caliber. And what I mean of that caliber, 69 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the elite of the elite. That's what 70 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is supposed to be for the 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: very greatest players of the game. So when you say 72 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Hank Aaron, there is no debate, Junior Griffy, there is 73 00:04:52,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: no debate. Tom Seaver, there is no debate. Pedro Martinez 74 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: there is no debate. Derek Jeter, there is no debate. 75 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: Mariano Rivera, there is no debate. That's the caliber of 76 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: player that should be getting in the Hall of Fame. 77 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: I think the people look at some of the guys 78 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: who have gotten in through the Veterans Committee and that 79 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: muddies the water because they look at those numbers and 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: go well of ease, and and that means someone those 81 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: should be in. And that's where the problem comes in. 82 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: There should only be one way into the Hall of Fame. 83 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: That's the front door, through the writers, not the Veterans Committee, 84 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: not voting in people, because you don't want to have 85 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: a year where nobody gets in if no one's qualified 86 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: to be of that ilk, and they shouldn't get in. 87 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: I've said this forever. If there's a debate about your career, 88 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: you're not a Hall of Famer. You should be able 89 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: to look at somebody's numbers and go, dude, this guy's 90 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. Or what the impact that he 91 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: had or he won two m vps or he won 92 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: six s youngs or whatever the number is. You know, 93 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: he was the best pitcher in the game. There are 94 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: so many very good players, and they have stats and 95 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: numbers they just are right underneath. They just don't stack up. 96 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: So this summer Fred McGriff gets in. He got into 97 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: the Veterans Committee. He was on the ballot for fifteen years. Nobody, nobody, 98 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: he couldn't get enough votes to get him. He was 99 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: a very good player. And now here comes Scott Roland. 100 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Scott Roland and Fred McGriff. Those are the two Hall 101 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: of famers when a guy like Chef Field's left off 102 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: and we already know what happened to Bonds and Clemens 103 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: and Sammy Soult said Mark McGuire, And you go ahead 104 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: wag your finger and talk about the use and all that. 105 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: I just unless you have a test of every player 106 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: during that era, I think it's unfair. And I will 107 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: say that to the cows come home. Bonds was never suspended, 108 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Socia was never suspended. McGuire was never suspended. I just 109 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: guys who were suspended. If writers don't want to vote 110 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: for a Rod and many Ramirez and Okay, I can't 111 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: argue with that. I would judge is not to be 112 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Our job is not to be judge and jury. It's 113 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: supposed to put in the greatest players who ever played 114 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Major League baseball. And we haven't done that. We just 115 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: haven't done that. Of late number three. How do we 116 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: fix this? I got some ideas. First of all, people 117 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't be on the ballot for ten years. It doesn't 118 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: even make sense. Scott Rowland's numbers didn't change from year 119 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: one the year six. How do people who didn't vote 120 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: for him in the year one for him six years later, 121 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: five years later makes no sense. So it should just 122 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: be a one shot deal. You only get ten votes, 123 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: now leave it wide open. If there are eleven people 124 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: who are that good and qualified to be in the 125 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, let everybody vote for them one time. 126 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: And if you don't get in that first time, you 127 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: don't get in. There's no duovers, no second tries, no 128 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: third tries, no Veterans Committee, no Hot apple Pie Committee. No, 129 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: we don't need that. We're watering down the Baseball Hall 130 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: of Fame. This is a hollow place. If you've never 131 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: been there, Oh my god, you gotta go to the 132 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Baseball of Fame in Cooperstown, New York. It is an 133 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: American treasure. It is must see. It is should be 134 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: number top three on your bucket list in your life 135 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: if you're a baseball fan, along with going to Fenway 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: and Wriggley and Yankee Stadium. You know those are probably 137 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Wriggley and and Fenway. But I just don't understand why 138 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: people have to have so many chances, why it takes 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: so long, and no such thing as a first ballot 140 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer SLF. Either you're a Hall of Famer 141 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: or you're not. It's really that simple, and I hold 142 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: to this. If I don't vote for you the first year, 143 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: I never vote for you. If I vote for you 144 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: the first year, I vote for you every year you're 145 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: on the ballot. I voted for McGuire and Sosa and 146 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Bonds and Clements all ten years they wanted the ballot 147 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: I did. I've been voting for Gary Sheffield every year 148 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and I'll vote until he's not on the ballot anymore. 149 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna pick up some player midway through 150 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: and go, oh yeah, well, I didn't vote for him 151 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: the first five years, I'm gonna vote for him. Now 152 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: we need to figure this out. We need to restore 153 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame back to where it is, 154 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: where it was as the hardest hall of fame and 155 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: most prestigious and respected hall of fame. That's where we 156 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: need to get it back to. And we can by 157 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: getting this thing straightened out, because right now the b 158 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: b w A, A, which I hold in high esteem 159 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: and much respect for him, is wayward. Now we're off course, 160 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: and we got to get back on course. When Rob 161 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: was a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto. If 162 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm ripping let's bring in a writer, a broadcaster, 163 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: older new all right, now, let's welcome in one of 164 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: the best baseball writers and broadcasters in the country, John Morrossie, 165 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: who was just I mean in Fuego during the Winter meetings. 166 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, John, you beat up everybody from MLB Network 167 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: and from Fox. Uh. He was just a terror for 168 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: the other reporters. Great job during the Winter meetings. He 169 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: is up in Cooper's Town covering the Hall of Fame, 170 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: and John, welcome to the podcast. Rob. My friend. Always 171 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: loves speaking with you, especially during this great time of 172 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: the year with the Hall of Fame. It's it's always 173 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: a great conversation with you, no doubt, all right. Uh, 174 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: Scott Rowland. I did not vote for Scott Rowland. I 175 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: don't believe he's in Hall of Famer. There's a there's 176 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: a slew of players who are very good players, who 177 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: had tremendous careers just just underneath the threshold. Where were 178 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: you on your vote? If you're making it public, and 179 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: what do you think is the reaction of fans or 180 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: people about Scott Roland being inducted into the Hall of Fame. 181 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: I voted for Scott Roland, a very pleased that he 182 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: made it. I think he's gonna be a great representative 183 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, and someone's very deserving when 184 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: you look at how many All Star appearances he made, 185 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: how many Gold Gloves he won. The defensive component, for me, 186 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: is a really important part of his overall resume. He 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: played on some significant teams historically within his his era. 188 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: He helped in those early years building the Phillies back 189 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: up to being a playoff team. Of course, they eventually 190 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: got there after he left, but he was a key 191 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: part of that transition of the Phillies during the early 192 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Terry Francona years. And then of course he goes to St. 193 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: Louis wins a championship there. He really added a lot 194 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: to the Jay's and the time he was there. And 195 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: then of course he finishes up with the Cincinnati Reds 196 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: and and makes a huge impact on them under manager 197 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: Dusty Baker, helps him get to the playoffs, and and 198 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: for me, rob it's a significant career when you look 199 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: at the totality of it. He's not someone that had 200 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of flashy records or moments and that you 201 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: stood by and said, wow, this is one of the 202 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: best ten players I've ever watched play, but he did 203 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: build a Hall of Fame resume over time that was 204 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: made better by his contributions as a great defender and 205 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: base runner as well. Here's the pushbat Keith Hernandez got 206 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: no juice as a Hall of Famer, and rightfully so. 207 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: But when I look at his career, he's outdone Scott Rowland. 208 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: He won eleven straight Gold Glove. You're talking about a glove, Okay, 209 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: that didn't get Keith Hernandez into the Hall of Fame. 210 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Won two World Series, MVP batting title has more hits, 211 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: better oph ops plus uh less strikeouts. Uh, he got nothing. 212 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: How in the world can you justify Keith r. Nandez 213 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: not being in and Scott Rowland getting into the Hall 214 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: of Fame? Because I don't have The Mets were a 215 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: terrible team when he got there, and he got them 216 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: to a World Series after coming over from the Cardinals. 217 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: It's a very fair question, and I believe Keith Hernandez 218 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: is someone who's candidacy UH should be getting stronger with 219 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: the benefit of additional perspective in more years of consideration, 220 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I think Keith Rande's belongs in the Hall of fame too, 221 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: I think Maddie does. I am a big Hall guy, Rob. 222 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: I think that there have been a lot of players 223 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: who played in the eighties and nineties and early two 224 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: thousand who, perhaps because of the steroid era and the 225 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: inflated numbers of some players who were on the ballot 226 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: for a period of time, just didn't get the recognition 227 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: they deserve. Fred McGriff was one of them. Fred McGriff 228 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: should have been in a long time ago. UM. I 229 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: think Gary Sheffield should be in. UM. There are a 230 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: lot of players who who, in my opinion, just have 231 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: not been supported in the way that they deserve. And 232 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and so for many of my colleagues who are smaller 233 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Hall guys and and only have two or three players 234 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: on their ballots every year. Hey, that's the right of 235 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: everybody to have their own decision on their ballot how 236 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: they want to do it, but I think it's important 237 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: to counterbalance that by having more players on my ballot. 238 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: And and in some cases like Jimmy Rollins, Um, I 239 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: think Jimmy is deserving and the fact that that others 240 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: don't quite see him that way makes me more likely 241 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: to vote for him because I want to make sure 242 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: he stays on the ballot and gets the benefit of 243 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: the type of consideration that Scott Roland earned over time. 244 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: And there are players and and Mark Burley one more 245 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: who I think that the more you look at their 246 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: resumes and compare them to other players in their era 247 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: and in fact the modern player. You think about Mark Burley, 248 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: rob he had fourteen straight years of two hundred innings pitch. 249 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: Who's doing that now? And when you think about it, 250 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: if no one's doing that now, maybe Mark Burley was 251 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: more special than we realized. And that is why it's 252 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: important to keep players on the ballot and continue to 253 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: reconsider their careers. Guests John Morrossi from MLB Network and 254 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Fox and John, I, I just I don't want it 255 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: to be an open turnstyle Hall of Fame. And that's 256 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: what you have in the n b A or or 257 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: the basketball Hall of Fame, where people don't even know 258 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: what it takes to get in. And the same uh 259 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: when you talk about the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 260 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody even flinches. They let twelve guys in 261 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: at one time and people go, okay, whatever. And in 262 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: this case, I disagree with the idea that you're as 263 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: it may get stronger. And and the early example is 264 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: there was a different time people pitched, just like back 265 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: when Bob Gibson pitched every game or Dwight Gooden had 266 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: uh sixteen complete games and back in the eighties where 267 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: it was just a different game. Where guys now are 268 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: being taken out after five innings or six innings because 269 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: of the metrics, not because they don't want to play 270 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: or they can't play. It's just the way the game 271 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: is run. So I just I don't want to give 272 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: people extra credit. And I believe that if there's really 273 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: a debate in your career, then you're probably not a 274 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I would say you're not a Hall 275 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: of Famer when I say to you, Hank Aaron, is 276 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: there a debate? Do you need eight or years to 277 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: determine whether Hank Aaron should be a Hall of Famer? Well? No, 278 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: of course not. And then that's why he's in the 279 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: inner circle. He is the great of the great um 280 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: and and the Hall of Fame should not just be 281 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: for the great of the great. Why not, that's what 282 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be the greatest players. I'm not saying 283 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: that that the top of all the players who played 284 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: baseball should be in the Hall of Fame. I'm thinking 285 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: like one point five one point seven five is acceptable. 286 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: This does not have to be a situation where you 287 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: elect Hankkaron William May's huge gap and then you elect 288 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: next year Adrian Beltrade because you got three thousand hits 289 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: an accomplishment, and then nobody and then nobody until Verlander 290 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: shows up and Kershaw. That's not fair. But we we 291 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: robbed for me and you that you share my appreciation 292 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame. Let's remember the point of 293 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: this museum in Hall of Fame, it is to celebrate 294 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: the game's history. And I am someone who believes that 295 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: we must keep in mind the health of the institution 296 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: and the the drawing power of these moments and events 297 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: to illuminate and promote and sell break the game that 298 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: we love. I don't think that we should be in 299 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: the business of looking for reasons to not vote for 300 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: people and excluding people as opposed to who can we 301 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: bring in this Hall of Fame? Who who really robed 302 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: merit the inclusion and also their careers were both historically 303 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: significant and their stories resonate in a way that it 304 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: grows and amplifies the game. Yeah, but here's the issue. 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: All of those people. If you have those moments and 306 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: you've done those things, you are celebrating the Hall of Fame. 307 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: It's not just pictures and and and and memory and 308 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: memories of people are Hall of famers. If Scott Rowland 309 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: did something of significance and major League Baseball, he will 310 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame and his story or 311 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: what he did or his performance would be there. He 312 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have to have a plaque and a bronze head, 313 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: uh to be able to say that he played if 314 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: he wasn't of that ILK At no time, and I 315 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: would challenge you, at no time did anybody ever think 316 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: Scott Roland was the best player in baseball? Not not 317 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: even an ounce. If you even listen to his sound bite, 318 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: he's shocked he got elected into the Hall of Fame 319 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: because it's not what anybody could think. Tory Hunter has 320 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: similar numbers, and Tory Hunter can't get any traction. And 321 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying I want to put Tory 322 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Hunter in and Keith Hernandez and all these other people. 323 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it should be a standard of certain 324 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: benchmarks and numbers which baseball has and number two what 325 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Joe Morgan doesn't have the greatest numbers, but you know 326 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: what he has. He has two back to back m 327 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: v ps on the greatest arguably one of the greatest 328 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: teams in baseball history, the Big Red Machine. That's what 329 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: makes him stand out. He won back to back m 330 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: vps on the team with Pete Rose and Johnny Bench. 331 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it speaks volumes, doesn't it. It does? And 332 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: and there is the historically significant player, and and I 333 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: think that if if Scott Rowland had spent seventeen years 334 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: in the major leagues, never made the playoffs, never made 335 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: the chance, never never won a championship, it's a different conversation. 336 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: He was, in my mind, the pre eminent defensive third 337 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: basement of his generation. He was, who was the greatest 338 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: first baseman we've ever seen play baseball? The greatest first 339 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: baseman defensively. You could argue Keith Hernandez and he's not 340 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, Well he should be. I 341 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: agree with you on that. Have you Voteddez in the 342 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: passage you vote from every year he was on the ballot, 343 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: has never been on a ballot that I've cast. Because 344 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm too darny young in terms of how 345 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: many years it's to me. There's there is a standard 346 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: that we should be aware of, but we should also 347 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: not be to beholden to it and also not get 348 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: too offended if someone is a did who doesn't meet 349 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: the same standards of a maze or and errand that this. 350 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: There are people in that hall robbed who you and 351 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: I can both think about, who aren't necessarily as deserving. 352 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: And guess what, the hall is still there is still 353 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: open all but three days of the year, and and 354 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: the the overall significance of the institution has not been diminished. 355 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I think the more you add people who are questionable, 356 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: the more you devalue some of the greats of the game. 357 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm worried about. I'm looking at it 358 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: from that standpoint. There should be a standard. There should 359 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: be like the best of the best. There are a 360 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: lot of very good players, and and every time I 361 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: hear the steroid era, and then numbers are diminished. Mariano 362 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: Rivera pitched in the steroid era and was when I questioned, 363 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: one of the greatest players who performed during that era, 364 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: and got a hundred percent of the vote where nobody 365 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: else got it. So so great players excelled and they 366 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: don't need to be numbers in figurated or changed or 367 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: upted or or look better because they they you don't 368 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: know they were on the juice or not, or you 369 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. And I think it's a slip 370 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: we slope, John, That's that's really. I do believe that 371 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: people are guessing and and trying to think that they 372 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: know everything. And if you ever pulled the curtain back, 373 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: as you know on that Mitchell Report, there's about a 374 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or sixty names on that Mitchell Report 375 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that we still don't even know. And I guarantee you 376 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: some of those guys who are in the Hall of Fame, 377 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: well we don't know, Rob. And that's that's a very 378 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: fair point. And that's why I voted for Bonds and 379 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: Clemens every year that I could, because there was to me, 380 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: not sufficient information to keep them out when you don't 381 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: have a full amount of information about what else was 382 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: going on at that same time. And and to be honest, Rob, 383 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: the discussion that we're having right now is important because 384 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: we have different philosophies on what the Hall represents and 385 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, while you and I 386 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: have very different perspectives, were part of an electorate that 387 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: arrived at at at one person for the Baseball Writers 388 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: one and we had one on the Era Committee, McGriff, 389 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: who we probably agree was deserving because he got darn 390 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: near five home ruds and played on really important teams 391 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: there with the Braves. So McGriff is going to go in, 392 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: and Roland's gonna go in. And so at the end 393 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: of the day, while we have meaningful debates and disagreements 394 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: here on on what the ballot should look like, at 395 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the result was one one player, 396 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: and and at the end of the day, we've got 397 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: a difference of opinion about one player. And if we 398 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: can't agree on one player, that's that's I'm okay with that. 399 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: There you go, my man. You know, we both loved 400 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: the game. We both loved the Hall of Fame, uh 401 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: we And and that's the best part about it. We 402 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: both share the same love for the game and we 403 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: can have a healthy debate and conversation about it even 404 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: if we're in different camps. And John, I appreciate you 405 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: as always, Thanks for your insight thanks for your knowledge, 406 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: and of course thanks for joining the podcast. My pleasure, 407 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: my friend. Always enjoy our conversations no matter where they 408 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: are on the air, in the press box in co America. 409 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll be catching up, I'm sure here in 410 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: the months ahead, no doubt. Now bringing the closer. Here's 411 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: why MLB is better than the NFL or NBA, and 412 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: it isn't even close. Reason number one thousand and fifteen 413 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: why Major League Baseball is better than the NBA and 414 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: better than the NFL. It's the Hall of Fame. Look 415 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: at the balls for the last seventy two hours about 416 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame and who's getting in and who's 417 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: not getting in. You don't get that stuff in The 418 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: other people just shrug their shoulders. What the pro Football 419 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: of Fame lead in twelve thirteen? Guys, all right whatever? 420 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the Basketball Hall of Fame, 421 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: nobody even knows what the credentials are. Are quitterior are like, well, 422 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: what's the criteria? They don't even know what who got in? 423 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, Remember the NBA doesn't have its 424 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: own Hall of Fame, so it's mixed in with the 425 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: basketball Hall of Fame and Springfield, Massachusetts, where I've been, 426 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: and it's mixed in college their hallom Globetrotters, their European players, 427 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: women's basketball. It's just a jumble of all kinds of stuff. 428 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: But in baseball, people really care. There were people who 429 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: were seriously dumbfounded and hurt that Scott Roland got in. 430 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: They didn't think he deserved it. There were others who 431 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: were mad that Gary Sheffield and Andrew Jones and some 432 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: other people didn't get in. Um So there's a real 433 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: passion for the Baseball Hall of Fame and whether or 434 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: not their favorite players get in and don't get in. 435 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: So that is definitely something that is unique to baseball 436 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: that baseball still has. And tomorrow here's a programming note. 437 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: On third Thursday at one fifteen pm Eastern, I'll be 438 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: on with the Mad Dog Russo on MLB Network one 439 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: fifteen Eastern time on Thursday, and we'll chop it up 440 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame, about Scott Rowland and what 441 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: should happen moving forward. So that'll be a great little 442 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: thing to watch if you're able to catch it. In 443 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the words of New York TV legend of late Bill Jorgensen, 444 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: thanking you for your time, this time until next time. 445 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: Rob Parker out. He can't gave it. This could be 446 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: an inside the Parker to see you next week, same 447 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: bad time, same matchination