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Speaker 1: all of my guests are Annes, so let's again this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. I will assume that you were the liaision

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Speaker 1: between the patient and the doctor said, what were some

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Speaker 1: of the conversation because I know you had to be

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Speaker 1: you had to prepare them with the paperwork, talk to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it was often like talking with them about the

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Speaker 1: paperwork we you know at the clinic it's called all

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Speaker 1: that I left my head, you know what You're trying

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Speaker 1: and I had pretty's done act because I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: so I can't even tell you what it was tough.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, the paper it was like all the informans

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Speaker 1: paper that lifted out every single thing that was when

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Speaker 1: it happened, and we made sure that you read it

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Speaker 1: because we had initial after each line and then sign

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Speaker 1: the bottom. Um it was. You know, you can leave

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Speaker 1: at any time if you wanted to, but like just

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Speaker 1: letting everyone know, like what's gonna happen so there's no

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Speaker 1: if we're not knowing what's going to happen. Our job

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Speaker 1: is to make sure that someone knows what's going to

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Speaker 1: I think too, like describing the procedure I would use,

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Speaker 1: them like like how the tools would go in and

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Speaker 1: And also just letting them know to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting sedation, making sure that the nurses know and everything

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Speaker 1: your job, because I do feel like you really did care,

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Speaker 1: for me. Also, the people I worked with were great,

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Speaker 1: Let's go, I know I can't I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 1: and again talking about Buffalo and being segregated. Right, so

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Speaker 1: right as I'm still walking down the street, this one

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Speaker 1: us alone. That's scary though, because when I was on

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Speaker 1: my research, Um, I think you said, like around there

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Speaker 1: those consequences right of their actions. And that's also that's

430
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: very hard to do UM. And I think that's another

431
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: reason why these like abortion bands or also just like

432
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: bands on like trans kids and like all of these

433
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: all these bands going around that have to deal with

434
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: like restricting people's bodies, are all about the same thing. Right.

435
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: It's about the idea that the legislator, our government, whatever

436
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: that means, knows more about ourselves and our bodies than

437
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: we do. And I think that's wrong. Right. I think

438
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: women know about themselves and each individual person, right, Like,

439
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: not just like women as a whole, because we're all

440
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: different people, we all have very different lives, were living

441
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: in different places. But I think each individual person knows

442
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: more about their own lives than anyone outside could ever know.

443
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: And we have to give people the trust in the

444
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: grace to do what they need to do with themselves. Right. Um,

445
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: did abortions change your perspective on parenthood? And if so, why,

446
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: Oh that's in this thing. Um. I don't necessarily know

447
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: if it changed my position on parenthood, but I think

448
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I think working at the clinics, um, and also now

449
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: that I'm like older and I like have friends who

450
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: have children and things like that, I think a big

451
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: thing about parenthood, um, that I had to learn, and

452
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: that knowing that like if you have one is like

453
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: if you have children, These children are always gonna be

454
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: with you, which I think is such a like a

455
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: dog comment, like like you have a kid that but like,

456
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: but I think the realization of like you have, like

457
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: if you're going to become a parent, you have to

458
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: become a be ready to become a parent in any situation.

459
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: That means if you're you, you know, you end up

460
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: like you might be in a couple and that couple

461
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: breaks up and now you're a single parent. You have

462
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: to be ready for that and think about those possibilities.

463
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: Or maybe you are a single parent and then all

464
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden you have a partner and now you

465
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: have a co parent with you, or you know, you

466
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: get pregnant and you think you're gonna have a healthy

467
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: baby or whatever, and now this baby isn't healthier. This

468
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: baby has you know, health you know issues or mental

469
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: health issues, like if this baby has down syndrome. Right, Like,

470
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: I think it made me think more of like parenting

471
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: as a choice and and being open to all of

472
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: those possibilities. Then I think I was thinking about it

473
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: before um and I think I don't think it changed

474
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: my mind because I don't know in my head, I

475
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: still see myself as becoming a mom one day, Like,

476
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: I think that is something I would like to I

477
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: would like to have children of my own. Um. But

478
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: I think like seeing the like realities of parents was

479
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: definitely sort of like opened my eyes more. Mm hmm.

480
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: How did this job change your views on religion? That's

481
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: really interesting. Um, I actually sort of sound religion as

482
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: I was has the clinic and also as I was

483
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: leaving the clinic, I was the one who you know,

484
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: I went to church as a kid, Like you know,

485
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I have very religious grandmother, as my great grandmother was

486
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: a pastor. Um. And yeah, so like I come from

487
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: a religious background, but like sort of growing up in

488
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: like in high school and things, I sort of stopped

489
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: really going to church, but I never stopped believing in

490
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: God necessarily. I just sort of wasn't that religious, which

491
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are. Like I think

492
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people sort of like believe

493
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 1: in God but didn't necessarily go to church every they

494
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: or like have a religion. Um. But at the clinic,

495
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I think there's just so many times where I felt

496
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: like I needed something bigger than myself or I needed

497
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: to feel connected to like God. Um, whether that be

498
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: in like situations where I felt like I was unsafe,

499
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: like with the Protestings or situations like that. Like I

500
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: found myself just like praying a lot more. I found

501
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: myself to like praying for patients and things like that too,

502
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: especially with like some of the hard cases or like

503
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: abuse cases of just being like God, I pray that,

504
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, these people can find their way. I pray

505
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: that she's safe, like things like that. UM. And I

506
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: think that sort of sort of informed like a new

507
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: religious practice for myself. But I think one of the

508
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: things that was hard for me was like to find

509
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: new religion, especially you know, I consider myself a Christian,

510
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: but then seeing the same people outside also calling themselves

511
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Christian and like interpreting the same Bible that I read

512
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: very differently. That gave myself a lot of like internal

513
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: like trying understanding right um and I And I don't

514
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: know if I've ever really come to terms with all

515
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: of that, UM, But I do think I've thought out

516
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: you know a lot of I guess more like pro

517
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: choice more like deconstructionism, you know, Christian like writers and theologians,

518
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: and so I feel very comfortable with like my religious

519
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: background and also like working at an abortion provider. UM.

520
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: One of the things that I read that like blew

521
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: my mind was the idea that Mary consented to the

522
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: pregnancy with Jesus UM. Like in the Bible, like there's

523
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: a you know, the angel comes down and tells Mary,

524
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: um that you know, you're going to be pregnant. This

525
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: baby is going to be the new savior of these things. Um.

526
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: And at the end, the angel not only you know,

527
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: gives Mary this information, but then leaves Mary the opportunity

528
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: to ask questions. And at the end, Mary then says,

529
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: if it is his will, let it be. She is consenting.

530
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: She is saying yes to this pregnancy, right and right,

531
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: And like I don't you know, you know, we live

532
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: in this world where like that's what's written in the Bible,

533
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: but like who knows, right is Mary said? You know what, No,

534
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready for that

535
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: responsibility God right with God? Would God have chosen someone else? Right?

536
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. We can't get into that because who knows.

537
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: But I do like see that right, like Mary consented

538
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: to that pregnancy. She said, if it is his will,

539
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: let it be? She said yes. And so I think

540
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: just that, and that gives every other person on earth

541
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity to say yes, there's us to their own pregnancies, right, right,

542
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: Like if God gave in my religion, right, God gave

543
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: the mother of the Savior the opportunities said yes or

544
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: no to the pregnancy, then we should all be able

545
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: to say yes, they know to the pregnancy, right exactly?

546
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Who are you? Who are you? That's what I think

547
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: that also, is it too? Just sort of like I

548
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: feel too that, like you know, if I you know,

549
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: when I die is maybe I'm wrong? Right? Who knows?

550
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong in those protesters are right and I

551
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: end up in hell. That's something that I'm across that

552
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: bridge and I get to it because who was to

553
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: judge me other than God? Right, Like I'm leaving in

554
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: his hands. Okay, That's where I'm at last, Natalie, in

555
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: the next ten years, where do you see abortions? Oh?

556
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I think I think there's like worst case

557
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: scenarios is in the next ten years. Worst case is

558
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: like we're in a handmade scale situation where like the

559
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: ship is banned everywhere. We got too many appointments in

560
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: places where it's not. Then we got people trying to

561
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, leave the country for procedures because maybe it's

562
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: quicker to get one in Canada or something like that. Right, Um,

563
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I think that's worst case scenario. I think best case

564
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: scenario is that healthcare providers get their shipped together, that

565
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: we start letting midwife performed abortions, that we open up

566
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: more opportunities to get abortion pills at the pharmacy instead

567
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: of having to call and make an appointment at a doctor. Right,

568
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: maybe you can call your doctor, lets them know that

569
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: you need an abortion, and they write that prescription. You

570
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: just go to the pharmacy depict us the pills. I

571
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: think that we need to have more uh first control

572
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: options too. I think hopefully in the next ten years

573
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: we see some mail birth control on the you know

574
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: being avail although and that might change in the game

575
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: as well, least a thousand times more exactly. So yeah,

576
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: in twenty two, fingers crossed, that's gonna happen. Um. And

577
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: I think too that a lot of the people, I

578
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: think one of the things let's not talk about is

579
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: that we talked about like the South is banning abortions,

580
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: and it's like assumed that like everybody who lives there,

581
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: wants to ban abortions. So the reality is is that

582
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: like the Republicans in power down there has their power

583
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: because of redlining and because of the way they've just

584
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: enfranchised so many other voters. Right, So hopefully I see

585
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: too in the next ten years is that these disenfranchised

586
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: voters get their voices back, right that you know we

587
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: saw in Georgia term blue, Right, what's going to keep

588
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: going on in these next ten years that like maybe

589
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: those states are going to overturn their own bands, right, Um,

590
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: So that's what I see in the future. I think,

591
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully it's a lot of people taking back

592
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: their power in terms of like voting, in terms of politics, um,

593
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to like just make a better

594
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: world for ourselves. I think that hopefully is what I

595
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: see in the next ten years. For Yeah, I think

596
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: this was an amazing conversation. Like I've been wanting to

597
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: have this conversation on the show for like since forever,

598
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: even before the abortions became as Um, what's the word,

599
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: what's where I'm looking for in the media? Yeah, hot topic, Yes, girl,

600
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to have this conversation for so long,

601
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: just so people can just have more insight and stuff

602
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and like for somebody to share the stories because I

603
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: love to talk to professionals and certain industries that don't

604
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: get the recognitions deserve. So I really do appreciate you.

605
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: I think this was an amazing conversation. Thank you, and

606
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: thanks for having the conversation with me too. I've really

607
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I feel like I haven't really been able

608
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: to talk about my experiences that much, um, you know,

609
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: outside of like the people I know. So very grateful

610
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: to have this. Thank you so much for your questions too.

611
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: I thought they were super interesting and all that research listening. Girl,

612
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking up at you. I'm looking at

613
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: you a discree, I'm looking up at my questions. I'm like,

614
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: come on now, well, you know one thing I want

615
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: to bring up with you. Have you ever heard if

616
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: like somebody was to get pregnant, she will take her

617
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: homegirard birth control pills. No, yes, y'all stop doing it.

618
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: That's a that's a real thing. Yeah, wait so share?

619
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: Wait so sharing birth control pills or yes? Yeah, no,

620
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: stop doing that. Don't get your costs. They're free. It's

621
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: free if you have insurance it's free. You don't have

622
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: to pay any copaine. Get it. They're playing the line

623
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you can go now, stop doing that. It's not gonna

624
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. Is that work? It's not gonna work. Also,

625
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: I think people don't know this, and I think more

626
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: people should know. You know, Plan B can be explosive.

627
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I can be like fifty dollars. You can get a

628
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: prescription from your doctor and have it free. Okay, come

629
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: on now, call your doctor Plan B prescription. You can

630
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: pick it off. Your insurance will cover it will be free.

631
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: You can keep it in your in your medicine cabinets.

632
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: You don't have to think about, you know, having to

633
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: get it in an emergency, just having on hands the

634
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: way you have ad been on hands. Wait, plan being

635
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: on expire. It does expire, but I think it expires

636
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: in like I think it's The exploration data is like

637
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: at least a year. Girl. Come on now listen, y'all,

638
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: because I know how I can get in a good night.

639
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: The drinks is flowing. Yeah, it's hard, not looking good.

640
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: Three years. Plan B has an expiration data four years

641
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: for years. Now listen. If Plan b's go up, y'all

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