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Speaker 1: I just announced all my tour dates. They just went

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Speaker 1: on sale. It's called the High and Mighty Tour. I

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Speaker 1: will be starting debuting my new material in February of

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Speaker 1: next year, so I'm coming to Washington, d c Norfolk, Virginia, Madison, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Detroit, Michigan, Cleveland, Columbus,

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, Ohio, Denver, Colorado, Portland, Maine, Providence, Rhode Island, Springfield, Massachusetts, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: of Course, Indianapolis, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky, Albuquerque, Masa, Arizona, Kansas City, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: port Chester, New York, Boston, Massachusetts, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.

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Speaker 1: I will be touring from February through June. Those are

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Speaker 1: the cities that I'm in. Pre sale started last week,

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Speaker 1: so tickets are flying. I haven't added second shows yet,

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Speaker 1: but we probably will be to some of these. So

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Speaker 1: go get your tickets now if you want good seats

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Speaker 1: and you want to come see me perform.

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Speaker 2: I will be on the High and Mighty tour.

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Speaker 3: Hi Catherine, Hello Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: Can you hear the waves crashing?

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Speaker 3: I sure can't.

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Speaker 4: And You're like, hair is very beachy right now, Well,

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Speaker 4: let's look like shit.

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Speaker 1: For the past two weeks, I've been walking around in

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Speaker 1: a bucket hat. Yeah, seriously, like one of those hats

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Speaker 2: Head from the sun.

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Speaker 1: But then I realize, like, I look so much better

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Speaker 1: Get some sun and then laser it off when I

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Speaker 1: get back. But I don't really have a lot of downtime.

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Speaker 1: When I got back. I mean, I've been sleeping so

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Speaker 1: much in my Orca. I drove forty five minutes. I

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I've got to take dog to a

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Speaker 1: is great, but there's no dogs allowed on it until

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Speaker 1: October thirty first.

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Speaker 3: Until October thirty first. Oh, it's like while people are swimming,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what that's the day I leave.

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Speaker 1: But so I go in the mornings and I go

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes to Palma to some shithole beach where

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Speaker 1: there were dogs running and I see this big german shepherd.

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Speaker 1: And Doug is like, you know, he's playful. He wants

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Speaker 1: And this dog was like, she said into me in Spanish,

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Speaker 2: Like an older dog or a younger dog. I'm like younger.

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Speaker 1: She's like no, no, no, And then the dog just launched,

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Speaker 2: It's okay. He was fine. He forgot about it.

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Speaker 1: Two seconds later we were do a different part of

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Speaker 1: But so then we get home and he's covered in

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Speaker 1: So I bring him upstairs to the pool pool and

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Speaker 2: And I just pick him up and throw him into

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Speaker 1: So and then when after I traumatize him, he comes

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Speaker 1: The hose, the kiddie pool or the big people pool.

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Speaker 4: And I know he's got so much hair, gets like

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Speaker 1: No, I mean there's so much stand in my bed.

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Speaker 3: Just like a nice expoleian I suppose anyway, So that's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really nice being alone and not having

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Speaker 6: And my dog.

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Speaker 1: I've made hard boiled eggs about thirteen times. I know

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Speaker 1: I've made what else?

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Speaker 2: What else?

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Speaker 2: bring those eggs in the airplane, Catherine. Don't get ahead

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not say that. I get rid of

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Good timing, Brad and good timing. However, we have.

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Speaker 1: A great episode this week.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite authors.

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Speaker 1: He wrote The Little Liar, He wrote Tuesdays with Maury,

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Speaker 1: and he wrote my new favorite book twice Mitch Album

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Speaker 1: is here. So say hello to him.

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Speaker 2: Hi Mitch, Yeah, hello, Hi, So nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm fine, Thank you, my pleasure. Nice to meet you too, Nice.

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Speaker 2: To meet you. I'm a huge Mitch Album fan.

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Speaker 5: Huge that right?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, The Little Liar is. I've given that book

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Speaker 2: to so many people. It is one of my favorite books.

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Speaker 1: It takes such a dark subjec matter and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this was your intention, but the way that

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Speaker 1: I read it was it was almost like a fable,

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Speaker 1: managed to make it more digestible, and it was beautiful

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Speaker 1: and everything. I mean, this book is so beautiful too.

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Speaker 1: This book is new, book is called Twice. It comes

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Speaker 1: out on October seventh, and this is a very interesting

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Speaker 1: subject matter. Mitch Album has written I think eight number

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Speaker 1: one New York Times bestsellers.

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Speaker 2: I'm right behind you. Mitch.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have six number one New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestsellers, but.

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Speaker 2: Mine are more memoirs, and yours.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you'll pass me very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, forty two million copies. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a very specific personality type and appeal,

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Speaker 1: and yours is much faster. So we're going to get

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Speaker 1: The Little Liar, the five people you meet and have

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Speaker 1: then right that book I actually haven't read yet. I'm

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Speaker 2: How do you decide what you're going to do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know the story with Tuesdays with Maury, right,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Tuesdays with Maury was an accident. I was just

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Speaker 5: going to visit an old professor of mine who was

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Speaker 7: And everywhere I went, everybody turned me down.

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Speaker 5: Everybody. They said it was a stupid idea that I

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Speaker 5: I just wrote this very small little book that wasn't

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Speaker 5: And she read it and she wrote me back. She said,

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Speaker 5: going to read it. And number two, you're about to

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Speaker 5: And that's when I knew I had a book, and

438
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Speaker 5: I started exploring it.

439
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Speaker 7: And that's what happens to.

440
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Speaker 5: Little Niko in this story that he's never told a

441
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Speaker 5: lie before.

442
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Speaker 7: He's Greek.

443
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,199
Speaker 5: He lives in this Greek village and he's known for

444
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Speaker 5: just being a kid who can't tell a lie. And

445
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Speaker 5: the first lie that he tells is when a Nazi

446
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 5: tricks him into telling the people on the trains that

447
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Speaker 5: everything's going to be okay and get on the trains.

448
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 5: And he does this for three weeks until the last

449
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 5: day he sees his own family being put in one

450
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Speaker 5: of these train cars and he runs to want to

451
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Speaker 5: join them, and the Nazi doesn't let him go, and

452
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Speaker 5: he says, but I want to go with them. I

453
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Speaker 5: want to go to the new jobs and the new homes,

454
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Speaker 5: and the guy in the Nazi says, there are no

455
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Speaker 5: new homes, you stupid Jew, you know, And in that moment,

456
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Speaker 5: he realizes that he's told a lie, and his family

457
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 5: is sent away and he's left behind, and from that

458
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Speaker 5: point forward ever tell the truth again. He becomes this

459
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Speaker 5: pathological liar, which seems to me, Chelsea, I don't know.

460
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Speaker 5: That seemed to me like that would be kind of

461
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Speaker 5: the natural thing that would happen.

462
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 7: Your mind would so explode that truth would.

463
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Speaker 5: Just become almost poison because of look at what happened

464
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Speaker 5: with it, and he becomes this pathological liar, and that

465
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 5: follows him and his family and this girl who loves

466
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Speaker 5: him for the next thirty forty years on their different paths.

467
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Speaker 5: It was a really hard book to write, because you know,

468
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Speaker 5: every day you're immersed in I mean, you have to

469
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Speaker 5: write as a Nazi, you know, you know, I don't

470
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Speaker 5: ever want to imagine that I could know what's in

471
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Speaker 5: the head of a.

472
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Speaker 7: Nazi, but I had to, and so it was exhausting.

473
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Speaker 5: And when I finished it, I was proud of it,

474
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Speaker 5: and I was glad that I wrote. I always wanted

475
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Speaker 5: to write one book for Holocaust literature, you know, to

476
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Speaker 5: contribute to that. I think it's important that that's not forgotten.

477
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Speaker 5: But I didn't want to write, you know, the such

478
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Speaker 5: and such of Auschwitz. You know, a lot of books

479
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 5: have been done this similarly, and so I wanted to

480
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Speaker 5: come up with original idea, and I think I did.

481
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Speaker 5: And I'm very pleased and honored that you think that

482
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Speaker 5: that's a good book.

483
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Speaker 7: It means a lot to.

484
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Speaker 1: Me and you fictionalize like Nazis. You fictionalized Hitler in

485
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Speaker 1: the book instead of calling him by his name. Why

486
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Speaker 1: do you do that just under the umbrella of fiction.

487
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 5: No, I didn't want his name in any of my books, Okay,

488
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 5: so I just referred to him as as the Wolf,

489
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 5: which is how he referred to himself. Actually, everything in

490
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Speaker 5: The Little Liar is historically accurate, everything except the characters

491
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Speaker 5: who I invented and put in. I I researched the

492
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Speaker 5: hell out of that book. I went to Thessalonica and

493
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 5: met with a bunch of people and saw or even

494
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Speaker 5: the house that he lives in as a real address

495
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 5: in that city, because I just wanted it to ring

496
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 5: its You know, trying to make up something during the

497
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Speaker 5: Holocaust will never be as poignant or as moving as

498
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Speaker 5: basing stuff off of real things that happened, because in

499
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 5: that period of time, the real things that happened were

500
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Speaker 5: just so moving and so horrifying and so inspirational in

501
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Speaker 5: some ways. You know, even the moment where his grandfather,

502
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 5: all the family is in and the concentration camp in Auschwitz,

503
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Speaker 5: and the grandfather every night makes them all gather together

504
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 5: and pray and say thank you for whatever they had

505
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Speaker 5: during the day, And you can imagine what can people say,

506
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Speaker 5: How can you say thank you for anything when you're

507
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Speaker 5: in a concentration camp. And he makes them go around

508
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 5: everyone in the family, and one of them will say,

509
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm thankful that I got an extra spoonful

510
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: of soup. And one says, you know, the guard who

511
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 5: always beats me was off.

512
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Speaker 7: Today, so I didn't get beaten.

513
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Speaker 5: And one says the tooth, my rotted tooth fell out

514
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Speaker 5: of my mouth, and one says, I saw a bird,

515
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Speaker 5: you know, And just that notion of having hope even

516
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Speaker 5: under the most dire of circumstances. You can't make that

517
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Speaker 5: stuff up, you know. I read about moments like that

518
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 5: in listening to survivor's talk or tapes of survivors talk,

519
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 5: and just kind of created my own thing that was

520
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 5: parallel to theirs. But trying to create it from whole

521
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 5: cloth is foolish. That the stuff that happened is so

522
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 5: inspirational you might as well use it as your inspiration.

523
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Speaker 2: And what is your process?

524
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: Like what does it mean when you're going to sit

525
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Speaker 1: down and write a book, And what does that mean

526
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: to your family?

527
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Like are you gone.

528
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, it means bye bye. Yeah. My wife and all

529
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 5: my family kind of know when I'm in a book mode.

530
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 5: I kind of just walk around with a glassy expression

531
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Speaker 5: for the better part of eight or nine months, and

532
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: my wife has to repeat things to me many times.

533
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: But my process isn't isn't as dramatic as I think

534
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 5: people like to imagine it. I just get up in

535
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: the morning and come down here where I am in

536
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Speaker 5: my office and just sit down very very first thing.

537
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: I don't read anything, I don't listen to anything. I

538
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 5: don't turn on I don't turn on a computer or television.

539
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 5: I want a fresh, fresh head, you know, And I

540
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: find that I only really have that when I first

541
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Speaker 5: wake up, and I just write for the next two

542
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 5: and a half three hours maybe, and then that's it.

543
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 5: And I could sit there for another eight hours, but

544
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 5: nothing is nothing's going to come.

545
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Speaker 7: And so I've learned that, you know, you.

546
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Speaker 5: Kind of you go until your tank is empty.

547
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 7: And then you come back and do it again.

548
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Speaker 5: I do always try to end on a positive, like

549
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 5: if I'm in the middle of a good paragraph or something,

550
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 5: I stop myself because I find like when you wake

551
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 5: up in the next morning, you look forward to coming

552
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 5: down and working on it.

553
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Speaker 7: If if you left it someplace good.

554
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Speaker 5: But if you left it in the middle of a

555
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: really bad paragraph, but.

556
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Speaker 7: You're going to just stay in bed.

557
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Speaker 2: Oh that's I love that. That's great. Yeah.

558
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Speaker 1: So have you ever read the book or it's not

559
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: really well, there's a book Daily Rituals. Have you ever

560
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: seen that book where it talks about writers processes.

561
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: It's all these different famous.

562
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Speaker 1: Painters, sculptors, artists, writers, creators, creatives and what they do.

563
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: And it talks about the first few hours of each day.

564
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Speaker 1: And then it talks about how you need some physical

565
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: you need a physical break, you need some sort of exercise, food,

566
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: And then people like Hemingway, would you get shit faced

567
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: at two thirty in the afternoon come back and start

568
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: writing again after.

569
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Their walk to the bar and back? But so many people.

570
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very well researched that you're the first

571
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Speaker 1: few hours of your day or your most creative and

572
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Speaker 1: where you have.

573
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Speaker 2: The freshest ideas.

574
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Speaker 1: But I love the idea of not looking at anything

575
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: when you sit down.

576
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: That's fresh advice.

577
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 5: I'll tell you the other really good piece of advice

578
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 5: I got with regard to writing came when I was

579
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 5: really really young and I was just starting out. It

580
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 5: was in New York, and I had been a musician

581
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 5: and I was kind of transitioning out of being a musician,

582
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: and I got a job writing for a TV shopper

583
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 5: magazine that they would give out in the supermarkets, but

584
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 5: they would have a feature story on the cover, which

585
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 5: is really embarrassing I look back on it, because I

586
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 5: would call people saying, Hi, I'm Mitch Album, I'm writing

587
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 5: for TV Shopper, and I'd like to.

588
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 7: Interview I can't believe.

589
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 8: And they wanted in a famous people would agree to

590
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 8: be interviewed to be on the TV Shopper magazine, and

591
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 8: one of them was this photographer whose name escapes me,

592
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 8: but it was kind of like Scavoolo.

593
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 5: You know, he's really well known back then. And I

594
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 5: went and interviewed him and he said I somehow asked him,

595
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: you know, how did you get started wit your process

596
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 5: or something like that. He said, well, when I was

597
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 5: really young, there was a photographer like me, you know,

598
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 5: well known and everything, and I really respected him. So

599
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 5: I took a bunch of pictures and I sent my

600
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 5: best stuff and I sent it off to him and

601
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 5: asked if he could give me any advice.

602
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 7: He said, I waited.

603
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: I waited, and about three months later I got an

604
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 5: envelope back with my pictures and a note, and the

605
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 5: note said, it's obvious to me that you've mastered the

606
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 5: basics of good photography. Now surround yourself with the best music,

607
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: the best art, the best books, the best film, and

608
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 5: everything else will take care of itself. And that was it.

609
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 5: That was the total advice that he had, And he said,

610
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: I found that to be At first I thought it

611
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 5: was kind of flippant, but then I found it to

612
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: be true because there's an osmosis that takes place if

613
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: you do surround yourself with other things.

614
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 7: A lot of writers think, well, all I should do

615
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 7: is just read, read, read, read read.

616
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of musicians think that all I

617
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 5: should do is just you know, play play play play play.

618
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: But there's an osmosis that takes place with other forms

619
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 5: of art that I think sync into you and affect you,

620
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 5: you know. My having been a musician, I find there's

621
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 5: a great asset in writing because I write with the rhythm,

622
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: you know, and I can tell what the paragraph isn't

623
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: working because I can.

624
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 7: Kind of like I write like like.

625
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: This, and if I stop, and if i'd well, I'm

626
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 5: not my head's not shaking anymore. It must be this

627
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 5: isn't working, you know, and then I'll change something and

628
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: then I'll go bou oh, I got it back again,

629
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 5: you know. So there's a lot of cross influence from

630
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 5: the different arts.

631
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Speaker 7: And I thought that was a good piece of advice too.

632
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great advice.

633
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're going to take a break with Mitch

634
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: album and we'll be right back and we're back with

635
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: Mitch album. Okay, So let's talk about this the newest

636
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: book Twice, which is another great concept, which is this

637
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: young boy finds out very early on in his life,

638
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: as his mother is about to pass away, that he

639
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: has the ability to redo things, but he doesn't have

640
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the ability to redo them twice.

641
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: He can only redo them once.

642
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he could do it twice, but he can't

643
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: go back and fit it right.

644
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: So at certain point, like there was a point in.

645
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: The book where I was confused because he goes so

646
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: far back, So he's redoing things that he's already redone, right,

647
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: how do you square that? Because at one point he

648
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: goes all the way back many many years, and he's

649
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: already redone so many things along the way.

650
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: Well, that's one of the problems. One of the problems

651
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: when you create a magical world is then you have

652
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: to live by your rules, you know exactly, and you

653
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 5: and you keep saying, well, what are the rules here? Again?

654
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: And then at some point you realize, like, you know what,

655
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: I created the rules. I'm just just going to write

656
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 5: it and everyone will have to go along with it.

657
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, the premise of the story is that he

658
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 5: has the power to do anything in his life again,

659
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: but only one time, and he has to live with

660
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 5: the consequence of the second time. So, for example, he

661
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: misses a shot to end the game a basketball game,

662
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: and he goes back to take that same shot again,

663
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 5: and that time he gets hit in the jaw and

664
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: breaks his jaw. He can't go back to the first

665
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 5: one and say, I'll just take missing the shot. He

666
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 5: has to live with the broken jaw going forward. And

667
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: the presumption is that everything else that happens going forward

668
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 5: sort of happens the same way that had happened before

669
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 5: that he can't really undo any of those things. But

670
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: the idea of it was to address again like the theme,

671
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 5: Like I've told you, you know, I just try to

672
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: find a theme. This theme was about the grass is

673
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 5: always greener concept, you know, and as you get older,

674
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: you run into a lot of people and you become

675
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 5: a person who starts saying, you know, boy, if I

676
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 5: could have done this again, my whole life would have

677
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: been different. Or if I only hadn't done that, then

678
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: it would be different. And I wanted to really explore

679
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: that and see if it really isn't necessarily better or worse.

680
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 5: And then as I was going along, I said, well,

681
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: the thing that seems to be the one that people

682
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 5: talk about the most or fantasize about the most, is love.

683
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 5: You know, what if I had married somebody else? What

684
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 5: if I had married that guy who asked me and

685
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 5: I turned him down, Or what if I had what

686
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 5: if I had gone on that date with that girl

687
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: that I was too scared too, or you know what if?

688
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: What if?

689
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 7: There's all those things, but we always think we can

690
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 7: do better.

691
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 5: Or you know, our true love is someplace else. And

692
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: I wanted to sort of explore that idea. So that's

693
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: that's what motivated me to write Twice.

694
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: Was that personal at all?

695
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: Well, not in the way.

696
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm only I've been married once and.

697
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: Then related to your marriage.

698
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Let's not get you into trouble here, but just in

699
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: your life or like I mean, obviously that's something that

700
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: comes up, like if you could you know, I always

701
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: get that question and every interview is or anything you regret,

702
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I mean, if I sat down

703
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: and thought about everything I fucking regretted, we'd be here

704
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: for hours.

705
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: I'd rather not think about it. I didn't do it.

706
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: So I'm here now and while reading this book, you know,

707
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: which is such a fucking awesome book. And you know

708
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: these books are so they're like nugget sized, yeah, you know,

709
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: they're a nice like I mean, they.

710
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: Are perfect Saturday afternoon read, just perfect everything.

711
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: I just love them.

712
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: And this is like three hundred pages, but you whip

713
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: through these books so quickly. Our listeners are big readers.

714
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: So I just want everyone to know how passionate I am.

715
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: But when I do think about the possibility, like I

716
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: always had this fantasy if I could just be a

717
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: straight a student from like kindergarten through high school and

718
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: actually apply myself and really just been like you know,

719
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and then I would have been the prom queen and

720
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: all of these things. I always used to think that

721
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: when I was in my twenties, like if I could

722
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: have just made my parents been like this model child.

723
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: And now when I think about the idea of that,

724
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want to go through all of

725
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: that garbage again, you know, I don't want to go

726
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: through that life again, because then you have to put

727
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: up with all of the ugliness. Also, you have to

728
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: reexperience all of the times where you were sick or

729
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: someone died or all of those types of things, and

730
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want to What is your viewpoint after.

731
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Having written something like this?

732
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: What do you think about that, like if you had

733
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: the opportunity.

734
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I had that viewpoint before I even

735
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 5: wrote it. And that is people have asked me the

736
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: same question, Chelsea, you know, is there anything that you

737
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: would redoing? I think for some reason they think the

738
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 5: person who wrote Tuesdays with Maury is going to answer, oh,

739
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: absolutely not.

740
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 7: Everything that I've done has been you know, you know,

741
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 7: it's been.

742
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 5: For a purpose.

743
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 7: And my answer is absolutely.

744
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 5: I'll give you like twenty things right now that I

745
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 5: would do differently if I had a chance to do

746
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: them differently. But if you said to me, you have

747
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: to unlearn everything that you learned from the mistake that

748
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: you made, then I would say no, because all of

749
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: the mistakes and all of the regrets and all the

750
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: things that I did that I would do differently if

751
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 5: I was at that moment again, have taught me the

752
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 5: things that I have learned now, you know, and have

753
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 5: shaped me into the person I am now.

754
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 7: I'll give you a perfect example.

755
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: Talk about it twice in a lifetime.

756
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 7: Opportunities.

757
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: So when my wife and I got married, we got

758
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: married kind of late age wise, and we didn't have kids.

759
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: I was thirty seven, she was thirty nine, and we

760
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: didn't have kids, and I kind of delayed it, you know,

761
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 5: I mean I delayed getting married. I delayed having kids.

762
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 5: I was really into my career at that time. And

763
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: then Tuesdays with Maury happened, and that was all going on,

764
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: and she really wanted to have kids, and by the

765
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 5: time we sort of, you know, we're focused, it just

766
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: didn't happen. And as the years passed, I started to

767
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: feel like, man, I you know, really really missed something

768
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: by not having children.

769
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 7: But then sixteen years ago.

770
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: I ended up going to Haiti after the earthquake and

771
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: got involved with an orphanage down there, and one thing

772
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 5: led to another, and it's a long story that I

773
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 5: don't want to bore you with, but I ended up

774
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 5: inheriting an orphanage that I was working at, and I

775
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 5: have been running that orphanage ever since and go there

776
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: every month for the last sixteen years. And I have

777
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: well over one hundred children who have come through, and

778
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 5: we have twenty two of them up here who are

779
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: either in college or in medical school now, or some

780
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 5: of them got medical care. And we have a little

781
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: three year old daughter now that we adopted from Haiti,

782
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: and none of that would have happened. I don't think

783
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 5: if I had had kids the first time around, because

784
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: I would have been involved with that, i't I wouldn't

785
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: have gone to Haiti in the first place, and you know,

786
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: probably just wouldn't have had time to do it.

787
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 7: So I got this incredible opportunity.

788
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: But it's only because I learned from my mistake earlier

789
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 5: how much I appreciated children. And in fact, today, as

790
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 5: we're speaking, we took our little girl to school for

791
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: the first time. It was her first day of school

792
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 5: and I got to live that, you know, and it's like, wow,

793
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: my age, I get to take gets a hugger and

794
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 5: she grabbed me, said I don't want to go, you know,

795
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: and all that you know, and I of course I'm

796
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: taking pictures of all of this because you appreciate, you

797
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: know this now like I'm going to need this later

798
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 5: and so to have that opportunity is a miracle. But

799
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it would have happened if I hadn't

800
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: made the first mistake. So that's just one silly example

801
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 5: of my personal life. But I think everybody probably has

802
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 5: something in their life that they can look at that way.

803
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 5: You know.

804
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so beautiful.

805
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what a gift, What a gift you've been

806
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: given with that orphanage, and what a gift you've been

807
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: able to give, like the gift as always, you know,

808
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: we sometimes we think we're doing something and really the

809
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: gift is as ours to take and enjoy.

810
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that is such a beautiful story. Thank you

811
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: for sharing that.

812
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you personally with all your iterations

813
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: in your life, like now we're finding out you were

814
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: a musician also, or I'm finding out anyway, and deep

815
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: down I do believe you one day you will become

816
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: a ballerino. On a personal level, your evolution and your

817
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: creative evolution, how has that impacted your life? Because you

818
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: obviously know that you have the capabilities to do all

819
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: these different sorts of things, and I would imagine that that.

820
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: Adds a lot of.

821
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Personal I don't want to say confidence, because it's more

822
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: than that. It's like, there's such value in everything that

823
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: you're doing.

824
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: How does that impact you.

825
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 5: Well? I have had a lot of iterations to my life.

826
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: When I was younger, I was all about ambition and

827
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 5: was all about achievement and accomplishment. I rose very quickly,

828
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 5: and as first I was a musician and I failed.

829
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: So my first experience was failure. And then I moved

830
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 5: into writing and journalism and got into sports writing, and

831
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: I had the opposite. I had like a really fast ascension.

832
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: I became a lead columnist at the Detroit newspaper when

833
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 5: I was twenty five and was traveling around the world

834
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: and covering sports stories and writing sports books and everything.

835
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 7: I was on ESPN multiple times.

836
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 5: I worked like one hundred and twenty hours a week

837
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 5: and went petal to the metal whatever it.

838
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 7: Is until I was about thirty seven, and that's.

839
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: When I encountered Mariy and sort of everything kind of

840
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: screeched to a halt, and he kind of really opened

841
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: my eyes. You know. He was really somebody that I

842
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 5: loved when I was younger and had totally forgotten about,

843
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: and you know, not forgotten in my brain, but just

844
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 5: had paid no attention to because I was so.

845
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 7: Busy, busy, busy, now here he was dying and every.

846
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 5: Tuesday it was like hitting the brakes on my life

847
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: and you know, no phones, know anything, and we would

848
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 5: just sit there and I felt like I was a

849
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: student again. I felt like I was back in college,

850
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: and I was sort of reminded like, wow, you really

851
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: have changed. You know, you're not the same person that

852
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: you used to be when you were listening to him,

853
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: and not necessarily for the better. And I ended up

854
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: writing that book, and as I told you a little earlier,

855
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 5: it kind of took me over, not the other way around,

856
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 5: and I, whether like it or not, I became a

857
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 5: person that people started coming to and asking, you know,

858
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 5: they would sometimes people would say, Maury, what do you

859
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 5: and I go, WHOA, I'm not I'm not Mary I'm

860
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: the stupid one, you know, I'm the one on the

861
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 5: other side of the couch. But but people do that

862
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: all the time still, you know. And when you start

863
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 5: hearing grieving stories and you're going to hospice and you're

864
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: on the board of hospice, and you're going to funeral

865
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 5: parlors and you're asked to speak at you know, people's memorials,

866
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: and you start to change and you become sensitized. And

867
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 5: so then I started to realize that I had an

868
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 5: obligation made to bring that kind of thing to my work,

869
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 5: and that writing about games and you know, who's making

870
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 5: a tackle or whatever is all well and good, it's

871
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 5: but but you might be able to do something else.

872
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 5: And I remember Maury said to me one time, what

873
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: do you do for your community? And I said, what

874
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: do you mean? And he said, you know, what do

875
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: you do for charities for people who are in need?

876
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 5: I said, I write checks? And he said, well, anybody

877
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 5: can write a check, but you've been given a voice,

878
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: and you need to do something with that voice more

879
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: than just a grandize yourself. I remember that, because you know,

880
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 5: only a professor uses a word like a grandize, you know,

881
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 5: And I've never forgotten that, you know, that really stays

882
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 5: with me. And so I had that part of my

883
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 5: life where I started to say, well, Okay, you've been

884
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: given this platform, and you've been given this success.

885
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 7: What are you going to do with it.

886
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: It's going to go buy a bigger car, or you're

887
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: going to try to help people. And you know, when

888
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: I got involved, particularly with Haiti, I'm very involved here

889
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: in Detroit. Also, I live with the city here and

890
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 5: I started and operate a number of charities here. But

891
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: I think when I got involved in eighty with the orphans,

892
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 5: that became this whole other chapter of my life where

893
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 5: it suddenly my life was about kids and their illnesses.

894
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 5: And I mean, believe me, Chelsea, I could spend ten

895
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: straight hours telling you about scabies and childhood malnutrition and

896
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: brain disease and cerebral palsy and all kinds of issues

897
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 5: that our kids have that nobody pays any attend. There's

898
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 5: no food for them, there's no water, you know, no electricity,

899
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: and trying to you know, I'm trying to figure out

900
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 5: how I can get diesel fuel for less than twenty

901
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: dollars a gallon. You know, when someone's calling me and saying,

902
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 5: we're making a movie out of your book, you know,

903
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: and it's like this completely different sort of worlds, you

904
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 5: know that I have to sort of navigate between, and

905
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: now I'm talking to you, you know.

906
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 7: So so I've learned that life can be.

907
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: A lot of different things, and you can be a

908
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 5: lot of different things yourself. And like I said to you,

909
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: I was anxious to speak to you because I admire

910
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: the fact that you've done a lot of things yourself

911
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 5: and you haven't let people tell you no, you're this.

912
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: I remember I got a chance to meet Maya Angelou

913
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 5: once and she and I were just talking in a

914
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 5: hallway and I said, can I ask you a question?

915
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 7: It's going to seem really weird.

916
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 5: She said yeah. I said, okay, you write poetry, you

917
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: write fiction, you've been an actress, You've done all this stuff.

918
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 5: Does has anyone ever told you just stay with one thing?

919
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 5: And she said yes, and it's the coolest thing you

920
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 5: can ever say to somebody. And I said, well, why

921
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: do you say that? She said, because it's telling a

922
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: bird that it shouldn't fly. And I thought that that

923
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: was really beautiful. And she said, don't ever let anybody

924
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 5: tell a bird that it can't fly. And so I've

925
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: tried to sort of live my life that way and

926
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 5: not worry about the category that I'm in. But if

927
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: I feel like I have something to contribute or something

928
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 5: to offer in some way, or I can help somebody,

929
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 5: or I can write something, and whether it be a

930
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 5: book or a movie or whatever that's gonna, you know,

931
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: have some positive effect, I should do it, whether I'm

932
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: supposed to do it or not.

933
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: And are you injecting yourself into these books that you write, Like,

934
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: is there a part of you that's in this book

935
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: twice that is part of the main character?

936
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 7: Oh?

937
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Alfie. This character is named Alphie. He's the he's

938
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: the boy. And many of the mishaps that he has

939
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 5: when he's younger with girls are straight out of my playbook. I.

940
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: There's a there's a scene where he goes up to

941
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 5: talk to a girl who has a bit of a

942
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 5: crush on and he talks with his hands and he

943
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 5: knocks a glass of milk into her lap and she

944
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 5: just looks up and says, oh god, you know like

945
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: that with that and and his response is look at that.

946
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 5: And that's exactly what happened to me. And exactly what

947
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: I said, and then I just scumped up and never

948
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: talked to that girl again.

949
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think you have to have a little.

950
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 5: Bit you know of yourself in order to know your

951
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: characters well and have them ring true. There has to

952
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: be a bit of a bit of you in there.

953
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 5: But the biggest thing is that I really I wrote

954
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: it for my wife. And the love story is between

955
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 5: Alfie and this girl, Gianna, who he meets when they're

956
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 5: very young in Africa and then never sees her again

957
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 5: until he happens to run into her, you know, when

958
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 5: they're college age, and he just kind of tumbles into

959
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 5: love with her and feels it like he's so lucky

960
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 5: to have her, and finally she loves him back, and

961
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 5: they have this wonderful love affair for a while until

962
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: something happens and he misreads a situation and he's tempted

963
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 5: to just undo it out of anger and whatever, and

964
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: of course he finds out that the one caveat to

965
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: his power is love. That he can do anything twice

966
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 5: except love. He can't get somebody to love him twice,

967
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 5: So which I think, you know, that's kind of how

968
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: it should be, you know, like if somebody truly loves you,

969
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 5: and you say, all right, you wait over here, keep

970
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 5: loving me. I'm gonna go out here and see if

971
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: I can find something better. But in just in case,

972
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 5: I want to come back pick up where we left off.

973
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 7: That seems so unfair. And so I made the rules.

974
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: Like you asked me before about the rules, Well, I

975
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 5: can make the rules. I wrote the book.

976
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 7: So I said, it doesn't work with love.

977
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 5: And if you walk away from a true love, that

978
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: person can.

979
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 7: Never love you again. They'll be in the world.

980
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: You know that you revisit, it can be your friend,

981
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 5: but they can never love you again. And of course

982
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: he makes this fateful decision and then he has to

983
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 5: live with the consequences. And so it was my way

984
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: of sort of saying to my wife, you know, both

985
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 5: apologizing for any things that I've done that have been

986
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 5: less than right. Also, yeah, I went for great, you

987
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 5: went for satisfactory, Brooky, you know, somewhere somewhere in the middle.

988
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: Right, It's also begs.

989
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: The question, which is so beautiful is if you don't

990
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: get somebody to love you twice, what will you do

991
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to be able to just continue to love them?

992
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: That's right, and that's where our hero man is just

993
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 5: estalvaghe himself.

994
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 7: I'm trying not to tell the whole well.

995
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so am I, but you know, probably failing loudly.

996
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: But I just it's so beautiful. Your writing is so beautiful.

997
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: It really is the definition of escapism. Are your books

998
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: like I And the reason I love reading so much

999
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: is something that really takes me away, And every time

1000
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: you're writing just does that.

1001
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: So I'm really really grateful to you.

1002
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we have to let

1003
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: you go about what you read and what some of

1004
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: your favorite books are.

1005
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 5: Well, I read everything, and I've learned, you know that

1006
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 5: story about the photographer, that anything can be a source

1007
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 5: of inspiration for you.

1008
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 7: And so I don't ever say, well, I just.

1009
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 5: Read fiction because I'm writing fiction, or I just read

1010
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: nonfiction because I'll read, you know, novels, I'll read I'll

1011
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 5: read biographies, I'll read instruction manuals. I mean, anything that

1012
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 5: I think is going to inspire me. I do tend

1013
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 5: to read a little differently, like, Okay, so this is

1014
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: Ann Tyler's dinner at the Homestick restaurant.

1015
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 7: He's just sitting on my desk here. So I don't

1016
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 7: know if you can see.

1017
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 5: So you see the pages are all dog eared, okay,

1018
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: And under each of those dog eared pages will be

1019
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 5: a phrase that I will circle that I think is

1020
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 5: really great writing. And then what happens is I'll just

1021
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: pull these be's why it's here. I'll just pull these

1022
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 5: books out, and whenever I'm going to start writing, before

1023
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: I do, I take it and I just splip the

1024
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 5: pages and I just read these great sentences that these

1025
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 5: authors have written. And Ant Tyler wrote a lot of

1026
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: really good sentences in this book, and they.

1027
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 7: Just inspire me.

1028
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: It's like it's a little bit like I'm going to

1029
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 5: sit down and compose music. Let me listen to something

1030
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: that's really inspiring first, and then I'll sit down and

1031
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 5: I'll compose mine. You know, So I destroy my books,

1032
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 5: but I'm good with that. Like I've had people come

1033
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: up with Tuesdays with Mary's then, honestly, I don't know

1034
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: how the binding is even holding together.

1035
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 7: You know that it's dog here.

1036
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 5: They're they're marked up there, They've got coloring all over them.

1037
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 5: Some of them have little tabs on the pages. Five

1038
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: people you meet in Heavens like that, A lot little

1039
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 5: liars like and These are people who like underline the

1040
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 5: books and they come up and they apologize. They say,

1041
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I destroyed the book. I said, no, why

1042
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 5: would you apologize? Like you you ate the whole meal,

1043
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: you know, like you really devoured it. Look at look

1044
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 5: at what you did to the book. You know, as

1045
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: someone who comes up on the book as pristine for

1046
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: all I know, they read the jacket, you know.

1047
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 7: So so I love that.

1048
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: And I don't consider, you know, books like holy that

1049
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: you can't touch them. I think they're meant to be

1050
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 5: absorbed that way. So that's basically how I read. I

1051
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 5: just read for inspirational writing.

1052
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: And do you have any favorite books?

1053
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 5: Many?

1054
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: Have you ever read Sirce by Madeline Miller?

1055
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 5: No?

1056
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 7: I thought I was.

1057
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 5: You're the second person that's recommended that to me in

1058
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 5: about a week.

1059
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: There are some similarities between your writing and her writing.

1060
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: She has she packs a punch with sentences also, and

1061
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: it's beautiful.

1062
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful book. But what are some of your favorites.

1063
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: Gilead by Marilyn Robinson is one of my favorite books ever.

1064
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 5: History of Love by Nicole Kraus. These are books that

1065
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 5: I've read like a hundred times, you know, just because

1066
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 5: I so admire the writing as a huge Tom Wolffan,

1067
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: I think the first chapter of The Right Stuff is

1068
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: one of the most creative ways of writing. When I

1069
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: was first getting into writing coming out of music, one

1070
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: of the daunting things about writing to a musician is

1071
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 5: it feels very limiting. You know, when you're used to

1072
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 5: you got a whole keyboard. I'm a piano player, and

1073
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 5: when you have a whole keyboard to work with and

1074
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: all the sounds, it feels like the whole world is

1075
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 5: that your fingertips that you could create.

1076
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 7: And then when you're working in the world.

1077
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 5: Of letters and words and sentences, not so much, you know,

1078
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 5: especially when you're not as good at it. When you begin,

1079
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 5: you know you're getting started, it feels kind of ah,

1080
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 5: I'm just living within the you know, the words to

1081
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 5: the left and the words and the right, and they're.

1082
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 7: Kind of reading a box.

1083
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: And then you read that chapter where there's like italic,

1084
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 5: you know, and he writes it out sounds and I

1085
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 5: remember reading that and I said, wow, you can do

1086
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 5: that with words. You know, you can create sounds, and

1087
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: you can create what people are thinking, and you can

1088
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 5: come in with a voice out of left field.

1089
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 7: That's just commenting on what you.

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Speaker 5: Just read and then you can jump back out again.

1091
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: And it really inspired me to say, there is no

1092
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 5: limit to, you know, what you could do with words,

1093
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 5: and I ended up kind of using that in my

1094
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: journalism when in my early days as a as a

1095
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: sports writer, I would say, you know, I wrote a column,

1096
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 5: and I would always not be limited by the traditional

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00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 5: form of writing. So I one time I had to

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00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: write a story about the Kentucky Derby, and I didn't

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Speaker 5: know anything about horse racing. I was going to the

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Speaker 5: Kentucky Derby, and so I kind of wrote a column

1101
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: about me interviewing a horse and make believe horse and

1102
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 5: the horse would talk to me about you know, and

1103
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 5: I was asking different questions about what it's like to

1104
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: be a racehorse. And I remember, and these are the

1105
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: days when people used to write your letters, you know,

1106
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 5: at the newspaper. And I went down picked up my

1107
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 5: mail and I it was a letter from a reader

1108
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 5: and I opened it up and it was that column.

1109
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 5: And I opened it, I pulled it out and he

1110
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: literally cut it out of the paper and he wrote,

1111
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 5: A horse talks to a jackass. I said, that's pretty good,

1112
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: you know, And I put that up on my bulletin

1113
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 5: board and said, you know, this is what happens when

1114
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 5: you take a chance. But it still was worth it,

1115
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 5: you know, to explore the Yeah.

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00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the idea of not having a framework,

1117
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: and I like the idea of not having parameters, because

1118
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: that's all that we're taught in this world is that

1119
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: there are limits and there are parameters, and that's why

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00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: you're told to do the same thing you did well, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat,

1121
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: which is not exciting for a creative brain. Okay, Well,

1122
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: the book is called Twice. It is a love story.

1123
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful love story, and it's a great book.

1124
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Another great book from Mitch album. Mitch, we appreciate your

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00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: time today. We'll take callers separately and me and thank

1126
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: you so much for your time for your talk. I

1127
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: loved it. You're very inspiring.

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00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 5: Thank you. Well, I'm really flattered that you like my work.

1129
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 5: I hope you enjoy five people you meet in heaven.

1130
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 5: And I didn't ruin it for you.

1131
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do know the ending, but I will

1132
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: still read it. And I think there's some.

1133
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: Books you only know a piece of the end.

1134
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, okay, great, great, great. I'm going to read

1135
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: it on my flight to New York on Friday, and

1136
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 2: then I'm coming to Detroit. I'm doing shows in Detroit

1137
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: next year.

1138
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to invite you guys, you and your wife

1139
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: to come to see me.

1140
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 5: Oh love that.

1141
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd love to be wonderful.

1142
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 5: I'd very much like to meet you in person. Thank

1143
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: you so much for having me on your program.

1144
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. I have a great day, made so much.

1145
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 7: Thank you too, Bye bye bye.

1146
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: He's awesome, awesome, awesome, true manch I know.

1147
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, a true guy, like what

1148
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: a model male human being.

1149
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: The opposite of toxic masculinity.

1150
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: I know, my god, I was started crying twice. Yeah,

1151
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: it's like it's his writing too. Yeah, I'm so good.

1152
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 3: We got to his kids in Haiti and I didn't

1153
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: know they adopted.

1154
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 5: I know.

1155
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: It's just gorgeous, just stories beautiful.

1156
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: It's like he's a vessel truly.

1157
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 3: I mean it is like just like hearing about his life.

1158
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: Is that the right word? Vessel? Like a conduit conto it?

1159
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1160
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: You do? You do hear that?

1161
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: When he's like I was focused on myself and I

1162
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 4: made this change. I did this thing to help someone

1163
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 4: else else, and then all of these blessings came to him,

1164
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: but then he continued to pass it along. I mean,

1165
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 4: just really wonderful. Now I got to read The Liar. Yeah,

1166
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 4: that's a great book.

1167
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1168
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So now we're going to take some callers without Mitch.

1169
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Catherine, I thought, our time is better spent with Mitch

1170
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: listening to him talking about writing for some reason, and

1171
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: so let's take the callers ourselves.

1172
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: I think that's perfect. Yes, Well, our first question comes

1173
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: from Karen. She says, Hello, Chelsea, many of your stories

1174
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: resonate with me. I was adopted at birth and grew

1175
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: up with deep feelings of abandonment. I was also an

1176
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: angry teenager and turned that anger onto my parents for them.

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00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: My issues followed me through college. In my early twenties,

1178
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: my aunt.

1179
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: Connected me with a fantastic therapist and I had a

1180
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: breakthrough of sorts. However, I was still searching and ungrounded.

1181
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: I tried marriage to fix my issues and immediately recognize

1182
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: my mistake. I now call that my starter marriage. In

1183
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 4: my early thirties, I remarried, had my daughter, and found

1184
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 4: my birth parents. The discovery of these new relationships brought turmoil,

1185
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: but also emotional connection that had previously been just beyond

1186
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: my reach. There have been many twists and turns in

1187
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: my life, many of which have seemed faded, such as

1188
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: connecting with my second husband in nineteen ninety eight after

1189
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: near misses in which we'd nearly cross paths many times.

1190
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm currently trying to write a book to capture my

1191
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 4: life story, which I think is worth telling. I have

1192
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: initiated the process countless times and can't seem to get started.

1193
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: I know you've written multiple books, so my question to

1194
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: you is how did you start? Did you develop a

1195
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: framework and then start writing? Did you just free flow?

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00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 4: Did you have a ghostwriter? I'd appreciate any guidance you

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00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 4: can offer.

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Speaker 1: Karen Hi, Karen Hi, Hi, How are you?

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate it.

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00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: You're so welcome. I like your full blonde hair. It

1201
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: looks nice and great hair from another blonde. I mean,

1202
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: mine's obviously not real anymore, but it's very hard to

1203
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: have thick blonde hair.

1204
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: So congrats on that beat. Thank you for your note.

1205
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: We just had Mitch album on talking about his writing,

1206
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: so he talked about getting up every morning.

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00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 2: He doesn't expose himself. I don't know. Do you have

1208
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: a job or I do.

1209
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 9: I'm a graduate nursing professor.

1210
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: Okay, what does that mean?

1211
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 9: So I'm a nurse practitioner.

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 6: So I'm clinical faculty for Masters prepared nurses that are

1213
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 6: going for their nurse practitioner.

1214
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that sounds nice. It's amazing. So what is

1215
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: your schedule like?

1216
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 6: So I'm mostly online grading and I do site visits,

1217
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 6: so I have a lot of flex building. Right.

1218
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: So then what he said as first thing in the

1219
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: morning is when your brain is the freshest. There's lots

1220
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: of data to back this up. So that's really what

1221
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: you want to do. Is he told me something that

1222
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't do, which is not check any media, not

1223
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: check phone, not check anything. And he just goes and

1224
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: starts writing before anything can kind of make an impression

1225
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: on him. So and writes for about two and a

1226
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: half three hours each morning and then leaves it there

1227
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: because he said he could sit there for another eight

1228
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: hours and it just would be useless. And I find

1229
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: that to be true in my own experience as well.

1230
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: It's first thing in the morning, when my eyes are

1231
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: fresh and when my head is fresh and I'm well

1232
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: rested to get up, and that is I think the

1233
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: most creative time for most of us. I think not

1234
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: looking at anything, not looking at the news, not looking

1235
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: at any social media, not even looking at your phone

1236
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: is really a great piece of advice that he gave.

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00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say to do that. I wouldn't

1238
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: be too.

1239
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Strict with your guidelines for yourself because the desires there

1240
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: and the construct you just have to envision what you're

1241
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: trying to put out there. Like with my most recent book,

1242
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: I wanted my goal was to impart the wisdom that

1243
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: I had gleaned and to inject women with a little

1244
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: bit more confidence. Like that was my mo So everything

1245
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: that Kate was born out of that idea. And so,

1246
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: like you know, I opened my last book with a

1247
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: chapter about it's called Little Girl. It's like, who do

1248
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: I want it? Who I wanted to be when I

1249
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: was a little girl. How did I envision myself becoming?

1250
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: And what kind of woman did I see myself becoming?

1251
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: And then the book takes you through all of the

1252
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: ways in which I attempted and got derailed or wasn't

1253
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: really conscious about it and was derailed and then realized,

1254
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: wait a second, where's that woman?

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Speaker 6: You know?

1256
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: So that was like my through line. I don't know that.

1257
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you have a structure in your head

1258
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: and sometimes you have a structure on paper. It really

1259
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: depends what kind of brain you have. You're talking about

1260
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: writing your life story basically right right right, yeah, And

1261
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: I think it's important and valuable to think about what

1262
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: it is you're giving to the readers that are going

1263
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: to be reading this.

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Speaker 9: So I get a little confused about that.

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00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 6: So I think I want to tell my story, and

1266
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 6: then I think about do I need to make it

1267
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 6: a larger picture of maybe you know, my extended family,

1268
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: and then intertwine my thread throughout it, and I get.

1269
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 9: Caught in the weeds or I think too large.

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00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 6: It's really hard to figure out how to start and

1271
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 6: what to tell, and then I just kind of, you know,

1272
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 6: I spin around and around.

1273
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 4: One tool that might be helpful is to get yourself

1274
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: a pack of like three by five note cards and

1275
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 4: go through write on each one sort of like a

1276
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 4: story or a scene that you want to write about,

1277
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: and you know, you might hang them up on a wall,

1278
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 4: you might just have them in a stack, But if

1279
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: you're having a writing day, you know, whether that's you know,

1280
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: you have a couple hours in the morning or even

1281
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 4: just you know, forty five minutes in the morning, go through, pick.

1282
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: One that's speaking to you that day and.

1283
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 4: Write about that. Like you don't necessarily have to write

1284
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 4: it chronologically. You can always go back and then you know,

1285
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 4: put stuff chronologically and weave it in so you can

1286
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 4: just go to whatever, like you're in the mood for

1287
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: or whatever is speaking to you that day.

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 6: That's a great idea because when I'm thinking of a

1289
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 6: timeline and starting at childhood, I can't think of any

1290
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 6: great meat to you know, grab onto and initiate that story.

1291
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 6: And I've always been kind of thinking about it in

1292
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 6: a chrominological manner, and so I get stuck on that

1293
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 6: and then I'm like, oh, well, so that's a great idea.

1294
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also those index cards that you get, you know,

1295
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: there's big momentous moments or the moments that you know

1296
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: you do want to write about, right, you put those

1297
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: all down the things that stand out the most. So

1298
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: like your early childhood, you're saying, there's some you know,

1299
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: you don't have a very clear idea of where to begin.

1300
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: I think if you put down your biggest memories and

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: your loudest moments on blue cards, that will kind of

1302
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: help you remember where Like, it will kind of help

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Speaker 1: trigger you where to begin, because if you start writing

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Speaker 1: that stuff, usually writing begets more writings and memory seeking

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Speaker 1: begets more memories. So I think that like, just by

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Speaker 1: the practice of writing down the things that you do

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Speaker 1: recall and the big instances that you do want to

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Speaker 1: convey in your book, You're going to start to remember

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Speaker 1: other things.

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Speaker 9: Oh that's really great that I hadn't even tried that.

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Speaker 6: I hadn't even thought about that, So that's really that's helpful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And even if you're writing, say a thousand words a day,

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Speaker 4: at the end of three months, you've got ninety thousand words,

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Speaker 4: you know, so it like take it in small bites

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Speaker 4: if you need to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I also really just like I'm not a very

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Speaker 1: structured person. I like to just do my own thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't follow rules. Well, so for me, it's really

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Speaker 1: when I sit down and I start writing, it creates

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Speaker 1: a need to want to write more. And another great

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Speaker 1: piece of advice Mitch Album just gave was he always

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Speaker 1: leaves his writing on a positive note or a positive paragraph,

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Speaker 1: Like if he's in the middle of a good paragraph,

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Speaker 1: he'll stop if it's been two and a half or

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Speaker 1: three hours, because that way, the next morning when he

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Speaker 1: wakes up, there's a level of excitement to return to

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Speaker 1: the page.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's really really helpful too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, these things, I'm so structured and organized that everything

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Speaker 6: you're saying to me, really, you know, isn't anything I've

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Speaker 6: thought about, and I think probably will help get the

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Speaker 6: ball ruling.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, yeah, just don't be so don't be so

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Speaker 1: regimented about it, and allow yourself to be a free

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Speaker 1: thinker with regard to this book, like do things you

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Speaker 1: haven't done before. Since you've never written a book before,

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Speaker 1: this is the perfect opportunity to try to loosen your

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Speaker 1: whole struct than Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Sure, okay, good stuff, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Right, love it. Thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 4: So this caller is Gene, She says, Dear Chelsea, I

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Speaker 4: listen to your podcast religiously and find your advice to

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 4: be so refreshingly honest and straightforward.

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Speaker 3: I'm writing to you as a fellow author.

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Speaker 4: I've published many books in my life, but now I'm

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Speaker 4: writing a memoir about being in a family of ten.

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Speaker 4: My early childhood trauma was so bad it manifested in

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Speaker 4: medical issues, so I had to cut ties with my family.

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Speaker 4: I'm writing this book to challenge myself as a writer,

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Speaker 4: process my experiences, and share my stories with others who

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Speaker 4: can relate. I know only need to change the names

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Speaker 4: of family members, but anyone who knows me will know

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Speaker 4: who I'm writing about. Even though my stories aren't pleasant,

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Speaker 4: they are all true. How do I deal with the

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Speaker 4: folloout and maintain my conviction and composure should one of

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Speaker 4: them reach out to me, especially if it's an anger.

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Speaker 4: Thank you in advance for your help. You're one of

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Speaker 4: the smartest, sweetest, strongest women I know.

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Speaker 2: Gene. Hi, Gene, Hey.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for your kind words, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: sorry that you had such a traumatizing childhood.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Are you writing it as nonfiction or are you writing it

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Speaker 1: like as fiction?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm writing it as nonfiction memoir.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, it's not really your problem what anybody thinks

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Speaker 1: about what you're going to write about. You're entitled to

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Speaker 1: write your story. Everyone is entitled to tell their story

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Speaker 1: and write their story.

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Speaker 2: And while you do.

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Speaker 1: Have to change the names and you have to change

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Speaker 1: the scenery, Yes, you're right, people are going to know

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But I don't think it does

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Speaker 1: you any good to really consider that aspect of things,

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: especially at this stage. It's almost like you know your

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Speaker 1: your efforts should just be going towards your honoring your

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01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: story because by telling your story, you are helping so

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Speaker 1: many people, and you just have to keep that in

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01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: the back of your mind at all times.

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Speaker 2: That this is not just for you. This is for

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Speaker 2: the world, right, and it's for women.

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Speaker 1: I like to always think, like, when I'm making a decision,

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Speaker 1: you know that I'm doing it on behalf of women.

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Speaker 1: Not every little decision, but big decisions, I think, who

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Speaker 1: am I doing this for?

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Speaker 2: It's not can't just be for me, but it's for women.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's the only reason I would share it. Chelsea.

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Speaker 10: I feel very strongly about gleaning from my life experiences.

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Speaker 3: In my work as a writer.

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Speaker 10: I'm almost sixty years old, Like, this is how I

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Speaker 10: want to spend the rest of my working days is

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01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 10: sharing my stories with people who can relate. But you know,

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Speaker 10: I am concerned about any potential negative interference from siblings

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 10: when it does come out. I have had siblings try

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01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 10: to staybotage some of my book events and whatnot, and

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Speaker 10: that those books said nothing to do with them.

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01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: So that kind of just hangs.

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 10: Over my head a little bit, and I am just

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 10: wondering what should I do, Like, how how do I respond?

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01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: If you know, and when that happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is a response for that. Any

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: response is them winning, you know, like them trying to

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 1: like sabotage you, and you reacting to it is them

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Speaker 1: affecting you. And I think you have to just kind

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Speaker 1: of it sounds like a pretty toxic situation that you've

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Speaker 1: come from, and I honestly think you just have to

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Speaker 1: be your own best protector and think of that little

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Speaker 1: girl that you were that wasn't protected, that you're writing about,

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Speaker 1: and this is your job to protect her in this moment.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot.

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Speaker 10: And yeah, I mean I am trying to listen to

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Speaker 10: other memoirrists who have gone through something similar and get

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Speaker 10: their advice and what to do and whatnot, And so

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Speaker 10: I'm leaning.

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Speaker 3: On people like yourself too.

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Speaker 10: You've written your own memoirs and your own experiences, and yes,

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 10: I'm leaning on all of all of you as an

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 10: inspiration for not just how to write this, but how

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Speaker 10: to deal with any intrusions, you know, any negativity when

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Speaker 10: this book hopefully is out and will be discussed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also you know, you can't fight with someone who's

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Speaker 1: not fighting back. So say the worst case scenario, someone

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Speaker 1: walks into one of your book events, You're having a

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Speaker 1: book talk at a bookstore, independent bookseller, and someone comes

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01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: in ands like this.

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Speaker 2: Is a lie, this is a lie.

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Speaker 1: Your response is nothing, is just to sit there and

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Speaker 1: wait for security to escort them out. There's no argument

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Speaker 1: to be had, do you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 1: I that's a louder argument than an argument. Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: not get into it. And I think it's it's not

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Speaker 1: helpful to be putting your energy towards that right now. Anyway,

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: channel that energy and use that for the book. Yeah,

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: under the assumption that there's not going to be any problem,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be no intrusions, and that nobody's going

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: to try to sabotage you.

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Speaker 3: I hope not, because the way I look good.

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Speaker 10: It is like me walking into their office where they

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 10: work and telling them you know, that's not how to

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 10: design a building or whatever.

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Speaker 3: They do for a living.

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Speaker 10: You know, absolutely, that's how I feel about it. But

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Speaker 10: how I feel is usually at odds with the people

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Speaker 10: I grew up with, unfortunately, So I just I hope

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Speaker 10: I can maintain my composure.

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Speaker 1: You can, you can, because but by the time the

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Speaker 1: book is published, you're going to get into a preparation phase.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're going to prepare yourself for what happens

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Speaker 1: in the eventuality that something negative like that does happen.

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Speaker 1: It most likely won't, but if it does, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're going to meditate on it, and you're going to

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Speaker 1: prepare for that and how you're going to handle it,

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Speaker 1: And you're going to handle it with grace and confidence,

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: knowing that this is your story and nobody owns your

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Speaker 1: story the way.

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Speaker 2: That you do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I mean, from that out of my heart.

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Speaker 10: I don't want to hurt anybody, you know, it's not

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Speaker 10: my intention stand So I wrestle with that a lot.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are not people I want to hurt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that's worth saying, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the book was also.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hard line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's worth considering. Putting in your not like

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Speaker 1: the prologue or the introduction to the book. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is my story and this I did not set

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01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: out to hurt anyone else but telling my story, I'm

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Speaker 1: setting out to help people who may have experienced something similar.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect. Thank you, that's fabulous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, right, Well I wish you lots of luck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and lots of courage and lots of success.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Chelsei. I just love what you do.

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Speaker 3: Keep doing it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: Bye, bye.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was your episode of Dear Chelsea for the week. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: we have minisodes that we are airing now.

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Speaker 2: When do our minisodes come out?

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Speaker 3: Every other Friday?

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Speaker 2: Every other Friday? We have a miniesota.

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Speaker 1: If you need a little jolt, an extra jolt of us,

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Speaker 1: we're here. We're here, and yeah, we'll see you next

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Speaker 1: week or you'll hear us or what the fuck ever?

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Speaker 11: Goodbye. The word of the week is a grandize verb

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Speaker 11: to increase the power, status, or wealth of something or someone,

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Speaker 11: used in a sentence to self. A grandize may be

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Speaker 11: beneficial if you use it to demand a raise at work.

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Speaker 2: A grand eyes.

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Speaker 1: I just announced all my tour dates. They just went

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Speaker 1: on sale this week. That's called the High and Mighty Tour.

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Speaker 1: I will be starting in February of next year, so

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Speaker 1: I will be touring from February through June. I haven't

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Speaker 1: added second shows yet, but we probably will be to

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Speaker 1: some of these. So go get your tickets now if

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Speaker 1: you want good seats and you want to come see

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Speaker 1: me perform, I will be on the High and Mighty Tour.

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