1 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Happen Monday. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: Everybody you are watching the Insiders. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: I am Steve. 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: Whitchermar Inglewood, California Newsroom Studios, and that is Ian RAPPI 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: work from the Rap Cave rap Sheet. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: How's everything going? Man back from Greece, ready to go? 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: What's up? 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: I am back from Greece too? But we missed each other, 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: you know what? He In a little bit, we're gonna 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: be joined by Mark Ross, Sarah Walsh and Omar Ruiz 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: and they're gonna help us get some answers to could 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: see Jay Stroud, the Texans quarterback, grow into the best 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 3: player at his position in the NFL? 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: And based on last week's. 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: Hard knocks, are the Giants really all in on quarterback 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones? And lastly, is Baltimore's Lamar Jackson the best 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: dual threat quarterback ever? You will get those answers a 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: little bit later, But first Ian the big news from 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: over the weekend. Let's take a look at this picture 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: from Dak Prescott's own social media account. He's not in 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: that walking boot. This from Saturday, July sixth, with two 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: days earlier. Ian, on July fourth, we saw him in 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: that walking boot that created all kinds of frenzy what's 24 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: going on with Dak? So as we come back to 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 3: the show, let's bring it our Mark Ross and Ian, 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: what can you tell us a little bit about the 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: walking boot. 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Not walking boot and Dak Prescott. It was a very 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four situation. 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, as most players are right now away on vacation, 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: minding his own business. The doc worker ended up snapping 32 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 4: a photo of him wearing a protective walking boot just 33 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: kind of stroll into a boat, and everything went crazy 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: on social media. So we had to get to the 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 4: bottom and figure out where it all stands. Here's my 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 4: understanding of the situation. On the same foot, the same ankle, essentially, 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: the Dak Prescott very famously injured a couple of years ago. 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: He suffered a very very mild foot spring, so mild 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: that about a week or so later he was out 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 4: of the walking boots. Nothing, as far as I can understand, 41 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: nothing that will prevent his participation in training camp, nothing 42 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: that will alter the progress that he is making toward 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: being one hundred percent out in the field when training 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: camp begins. It is all good, and the fact that 45 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: he was in a boot doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 4: Walking boots are structural, they are protective. It's like you 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 4: see plenty of times guys players leave a stadium with 48 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: a walking but everyone's like, oh no, sometimes it's just 49 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: to make sure that he can walk without a limp. 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: It is going to be okay. And as Dak Prescott 51 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: himself showed us, the fact that he's out of the 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: walking boot already probably good, great and not. 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: A big deal. 54 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: But let's not diminish this too. 55 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: None of us are going to go put on a 56 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: walking boot just to say we put in a walking boot. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: There is a little bit of there. There become training camp. 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: We're not expecting anything big. So Mark, let's get to your. 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: Front office perspective. Right here, we know Dak is in the. 60 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: Final year of that four year, one hundred and sixty 61 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: million dollar contract, could in any way the Cowboys, we 62 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: have all of his medical records, use something like this 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: as as leverage, so to speak, and any time a 64 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: contract negotiations they may be having. 65 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 5: That's a great point, Steve, And yes you may think so, 66 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 5: but Ian mentioned the previous injury, the initial injury. 67 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: In twenty What happened after that? 68 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: They gave back the biggest press, the biggest contract in history. 69 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 5: So there's already a precedent that despite a major injury 70 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 5: and now just a preventative one, that they gave him 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 5: a ton of money. 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think that. 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 5: Would preclude them from giving him another huge contract. Of 74 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 5: course that'll come into talks, but when it's all said 75 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 5: and done, I think they'll do that. And you talk 76 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 5: about just the supply and demand. The Cowboys know what's 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 5: out there, they know the QB market, and we have 78 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: to look no further than just this past summer with 79 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins, who's thirty five years old and coming off 80 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 5: in Achilles. 81 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: We haven't seen him at all. 82 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 5: That's not preventative at all, then will he even look 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: like And the Vikings gave him a four year, one 84 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 5: hundred and eighty million dollar contract. So there's a president 85 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 5: with Dak coming back from an injury and getting dad. 86 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: But also just as pass summer with Kirk Cousin, an 87 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: older bird of that who got a huge contract. 88 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Fella. So no, I don't think so sry. 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: That was the Falcons that gave Kirk that contract. 90 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Remember, Dak Prescott is thirty one and based on today's 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: NFL quarterbacks, He's still kind of a baby in the 92 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: way things are going. Now, Dak's injury is mild, but Ian, 93 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: let's get to a quarterback who is coming off of 94 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: a significant injury, and that's Bengals quarterback Joey Burrow. Now, 95 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: Joey said, coming off of that risk surgery that he 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: had that limited him to you know, just a few 97 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: games last season, that the biggest strides this year are 98 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: going to be learning how. 99 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: To get through the season in tip top shape. 100 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: This is the second time he's not been able to 101 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: finish the season because of a major injury. We know 102 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: he's been tickling the ivories playing the piano to try 103 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 3: to strengthen that risk. But also Ian, you know, the 104 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: one thing he said, you know which is interesting here 105 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: a lot of players who are hurt saying, you know, 106 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: when you're not on the field, people forget about you. 107 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 3: But in typical Joe Burrow with Joe sisty swag says, 108 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to give them something to talk about. So 109 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: when you know, what is the status of this injury 110 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: and what are the Bengals thinking about Joe Burrow as 111 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 3: he comes back from this rest surgery. 112 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: First of all. It sounds like he's doing absolutely fine 113 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: from the risk surgery. 114 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 4: Kind of did a on again, off again thing during 115 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: mandatory minicamp during the ots, but really just to make 116 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: sure that he didn't go too hard. I haven't talked 117 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: to anyone who believes there's going to be any issue 118 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: going forward with his risk. But we've seen and heard 119 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 4: a lot of Joe Burrow this offseason, whether in Vogue, 120 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 4: which actually is a thing of course, he walked in 121 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 4: some fashion shows along with his old college teammate Justin Jefferson. 122 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: We've seen plenty of interviews like the barstool one and 123 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 4: some others, but he is seeming to me striking the 124 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: right courtier. Joe Burrow was awesome, Okay. I mean we've 125 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: seen him do almost everything. We've seen him get all 126 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 4: the way in the Super Bowl. We've seen him perform 127 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: in clutch moments. We've seen him emerge to being one 128 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: of the very very best in the NFL. 129 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: But he knows to be the best to consider. 130 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: To be considered among all of the excellent, excellent quarterbacks 131 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: take their teams deep into the playoffs the year after year. 132 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: He has to be there. He has to be healthy. 133 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: It is clear from listening just to Burrow's words that 134 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: not only is he, as you mentioned, set out to 135 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 4: remind us of how good he is, but he understands 136 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: that availability is like the biggest thing. And I would 137 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: hope for his sake, for his team's sake, for everything 138 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: that we see a little more of a cautious Joe 139 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: Burrow just to make sure he stays on the field. 140 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: We saw he did there too when he talked about 141 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow striking a chord. 142 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: Of course they're playing the piano. 143 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: Now, Mark, you know, we know Joe Burrow's not the 144 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 3: only quarterback coming back from a significant injury. There's Aaron Rodgers, 145 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: There's Deshaun Watson, There's Anthony Richardson. 146 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: Well, let's kind of bring it back into the show. 147 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: We be and Aaron Rodgers. Since those are two teams. 148 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: People projecting to go to the playoffs if those two 149 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: guys stay healthy. But which one takes their team on 150 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: a deeper playoff run? 151 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Oh, this is easy. 152 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 5: It's got to be Joe Burrow and Ian talked about availability. 153 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 5: When Joe Burrow's available, they go to the super Bowl, 154 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 5: they go to the conference championship game. 155 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean He's shown you what he can do. 156 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: He's shown you I can beat Patrick Mahomes in the 157 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 5: regular season, so you know what Joe Burrow can do 158 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 5: when he is available. And the Bengals team itself had 159 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 5: nine wins last year, fellas we forget they had nine 160 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: wins despite that having Joe Burrow. So they've got a 161 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 5: really great team with maybe top three quarterback in the league. 162 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Whereas on the flip side, I know we. 163 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 5: Keep talking about Aaron Rodgers, but the last time we 164 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 5: saw Aaron Rodgers play, he had one of the worst 165 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 5: seasons of his career. And he's a thirty nine years old. 166 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 5: There's no precedent for a thirty nine year old making 167 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 5: a deep run except Tom Brady. We're not comparing to 168 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 5: anybody to Tom Brady. But also coming off that Achilles injury, 169 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 5: there's not a great history or precedent for quarterbacks actually 170 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 5: even playing well following Achilles. So with the age and 171 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: the injury, with Aaron Rodgers, no Joe Burrow's available, he wins. 172 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, hard argue with that mark, even though the Bengals 173 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: are in arguably the best top to bottom division right there, 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: We've got some news right now that has developed this 175 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: today about some players, and let's start in Pittsburgh with 176 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: their defensive back Cameron Sutton, who they just resigned this 177 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,679 Speaker 3: summer after him spending last season with the Lions. 178 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: You have some significant news from two veteran defensive backs, 179 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: both dealing with suspensions. We'll start, as you mentioned with 180 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: Cam Sutton, the former Lions big ticket free agent, was 181 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: released by the Lions after dealing with a domestic violence issue. 182 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: Resigned by the Steelers. 183 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: Now we get official word from the NFL that he 184 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 4: has been suspended eight games without pay during the start 185 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty four season, violent in the NFL's 186 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: Personal conduct Policy. Eligible to return October twenty ninth after 187 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 4: the game against the Giants. Sutton has entered a or 188 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: did enter a pre trial program in April to resolve 189 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 4: the domestic violence case. After he turned himself in to 190 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 4: the Hillsboro County Sheriff. He was charged with misdemeanor battery. 191 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, back with these Steelers, but not going 192 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: to join them on the field for real until midway 193 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,239 Speaker 4: through the season. Meanwhile, to Shawn Gibson, the veteran defensive 194 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: back formerly of the forty nine Ers, several teams. Of course, 195 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: to Shaun Gibson, he was suspended last week for valley 196 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 4: in the NFL's ped policy. Released a statement today essentially 197 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: taking ownership of the issuest, saying he took a supplement 198 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: one time that he thought was safe and legal. 199 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: Of course, according to the NFL's policy, it was not. 200 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: He takes full responsibility though for what goes into his body. 201 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: He accepts the suspension and looks forward to a thirteenth 202 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 4: season again still unsigned. 203 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Steve, all right, thanks so much for that news, and 204 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: now we have to get on to a tragic development 205 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: that took place over the weekend in Maryland outside of Washington, 206 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: d C. Where a fatal car accident claimed the lives 207 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: of three people, including Viking's rookie cornerback Kyrie Jackson Jackson 208 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: as well as Isaiah Hazel and. 209 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: Anthony Litton Junior. 210 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: We're driving early Saturday morning when, according to investigators, another 211 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: car entered their lane and forced. 212 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: Their vehicle off the road. 213 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: The Vikings released the following statement in the wake of 214 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: this horrible news. We're devastated by the news of Kyrie 215 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: Jackson's death following an overnight car accident. While we worked 216 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: to gather more information. We've spoken to Kyrie's family and 217 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: offered the support of the Minnesota Vikings. We've also offered 218 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: We've also communicated the news to Vikings players, coaches, and staff, 219 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: and have offered counseling for those who need emotional support. 220 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: Our thoughts with Kyrie's family, friends, teammates, and coaches, as 221 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 3: well as the victims of this tragic accident. The NFL 222 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: also issued this statement. The NFL family is deeply saddened 223 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: and devastated by the passing of Vikings rookie Kyrie Jackson. 224 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: Our thoughts and condolences are with his family, loved ones, 225 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: and everybody involved in this tragic accident. 226 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: Jackson was a fourth round pick of the. 227 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: Vikings in the twenty twenty four drafts out of Oregon. 228 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: He was twenty four. 229 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: He's right back after the Star, all right, Welcome back 230 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 3: to the Insiders, and now it is time for some 231 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: summer superlatives in these final days of player's time off. 232 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: Former Panthers MVP Cam Newton recently appeared on The Fourth 233 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: and one Show and he was asked if he was 234 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: the best dual threat quarterback of all time. His response, no, 235 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: that's Lamar Jackson. He's got big plays, any play, and 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: he's got speed that I've never had. I do think 237 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: Cam is selling himself a little bit short right there, 238 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: the former MVP. But you're looking at the highest passer 239 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: rating among these dual threat quarterbacks. It's a label that 240 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: we've put on them. You're looking at Russell Wilson one 241 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: hundred passer rating, Lamar Jackson's right there at ninety eight, 242 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 3: Cam Newton eighty five point. 243 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: Two, and Michael Vick at about eighty. 244 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: Jackson's the only play in NFL history to hit fifteen 245 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: thousand pass yards and five thousand rush yards in his 246 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: career before playing his eleventh season. Jackson is entering his 247 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: seventh season. So again, I'm Steve Whiteley and Mark Ross, 248 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: and let's start with you. When you hear Cam Newton, 249 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: who by the way, is incredibly thoughtful. I love watching 250 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: him and see what he's become as a broadcaster kind 251 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: of an analyst. But when he says this about Lamar Jackson, 252 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: when you look at Lamar's impact on today's game, at 253 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: what he's done for the Ravens, what are your thoughts 254 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: on that? 255 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: You know? 256 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: I took notice right because for Cam Newton to you know, annoint, 257 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: I would say, maybe, for lack of a better word, 258 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson is meaningful. I mean, Kim Newton, it's I 259 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 4: think people kind of forget how unbelievably good he was 260 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 4: and how unbelievably revolutionary he was, not just in the NFL, 261 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: but then of course before that in college. I mean, 262 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 4: this was the guy who was who was the whole 263 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: team on several teams he was on. And for him 264 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 4: to come out and say, you know, Lamar Jackson is 265 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 4: the best dual threat quarterback of all time, that's something 266 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 4: to me. I say, all right, well that's coming from 267 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: where it comes from. That's meaningful. I would also say this, 268 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: until Lamar Jackson wins a super Bowl, and I really 269 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: do think that it is coming for the Baltimore Ravens 270 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: and their star quarterback, until they go deep, deep into 271 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: the playoffs, until he continues to do it year after 272 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: year rather than deal with some of the injuries he 273 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: has in the past. Then I don't know that the 274 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: words of Cam Newton are really. 275 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: Going to mean anything. Forget about to us and who 276 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: cares about that, But I. 277 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: Don't think it's going to mean anything to Lamar Jackson, 278 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: because this is a guy who is as team oriented 279 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 4: as anyone could ever want it. So, like the nice 280 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: words are nice and fine and meaningful, but I know 281 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: that when it comes to what Lamar and the Ravens 282 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 4: and the fans and all of them want, it's more 283 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: about the team stuff super Bowls as opposed to the 284 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: individual stuff, which is greatest tool thread quarterback of all time. 285 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: In one hundred percent, right. 286 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 5: Look, Lamar Jackson has done individually and even winning during 287 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 5: the regular season has been unprecedented. 288 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he balls out, he puts up stats. 289 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 5: And he wins, but the ultimate goal for him is 290 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 5: to win those Super Bowls or even get to one. 291 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 5: If he does that, I think he will could be 292 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 5: considered that and will be considered the greatest not just 293 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: dual threat quarterback, but one of the greatest quarterbacks of 294 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 5: all time. And I think Cam Newton was being very 295 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: gracious because what Cam did. He did put a team 296 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: on his back at the Panthers and take them to 297 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl with Philly Brown and the Jericho COACHERI 298 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: and Ted Ginton Junior as his receivers there. So Cam 299 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: Newton was an absolute phenomenon of force of nature. On 300 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 5: the field, and you talk about revolutionizing the game, it's 301 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 5: sort of the evolution of Randall to Donovan McNabb, Vig 302 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: to Cam and now Lamar. But even when Cam came out, 303 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: there was questions whether he could do it. Despite the 304 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 5: history of those doing it and Vic doing it, it was 305 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 5: still hen this guy doing it, and he's saying Lamar 306 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: has got something. He doesn't have that speed. But Cam 307 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: is sixty five, two hundred and fifty pounds and he 308 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: had strength end speed like nobody else. And before the 309 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 5: touch Pusch, it was the Cam just run over people 310 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 5: at the goal liner. 311 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: Shirtyard is that Lee think he used to do? 312 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: So? 313 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Big plays? 314 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 5: Revolutionarizy game, Cam selling himself short, I love, I love 315 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 5: he's giving the young guys flowers. But Cam, you're up 316 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 5: there too, my man. 317 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: And don't forget you know. 318 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Cam used to get the shack attack type treatment. 319 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: He was taking shots that no other quarterback, especially in 320 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: today's game, would be allowed to take. And he played 321 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: through a lot of those, maybe even till those led 322 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: to the injuries that cut his career a little bit short. Okay, 323 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: let's move on to the next summer. Superlative and let's 324 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: go to the words of Houston Texans wide receiver Take Dell. 325 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: I praise from Dell about his quarterback, the offensive rookie 326 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: of the Year in CJ. Stroud, who said on a 327 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: recent edition of I Am Athlete This that's right CJ. 328 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: God to just keep doing what he doing to bridge 329 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 6: the gap between him and my homes man, because I'm 330 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 6: not gonna lie my home special man. W it was 331 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 6: like six years, seventy five super Bowls, six years. 332 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: I think going to the. 333 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 6: Super Bowl, you know, that's crazy and it's for sure 334 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of work to get have to 335 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 6: be put in with seven. But I just feel like 336 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 6: if he just keep doing he doing, he on the 337 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 6: right path he started in he started already, So I 338 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 6: feel like we just keep bringing in pieces to help 339 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 6: the team grow. 340 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: So Producer Alex Will, can we get to smooth jazz 341 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: for the rest of the segment, As I asked Ian, 342 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: what does CJ. Stroud have to do to close that 343 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: gap on Patrick Mahomes and eventually surpass him to be 344 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: that dude? 345 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: Well, first, a little story. 346 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: So when I covered Alabama when I was a young 347 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: beat writer just twenty six, twenty seven, years old. Covering 348 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: for the Birmingham News, I covered a somewhat well known 349 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: coach named Nick Saban and when he would hear things 350 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 4: that the media set or things that opponent said, or 351 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 4: his own players, the praise, the endless praise for his team, 352 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 4: had a very endearing word for it, and that was 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: rat poison. And so this is what's coming for the 354 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: Houston Texans. It is, as a former Alabama superstar Dmika 355 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 4: Ryans knows very well, rat poison. 356 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: It is endless people telling them how good they are. 357 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: So yes, c J. 358 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 4: Stroud is awesome, and I really do believe Tank Doll. 359 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 4: I mean, he really does have a chance to be 360 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 4: among the greats in the game, certainly among the greats today. 361 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: I mean it's all out there for him. And the 362 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: fact that his rookie season. 363 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 4: Was so unbelievably good, in the fact his team seems 364 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 4: primed to go on a big time deep run year 365 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 4: year after year. 366 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: It's all good. 367 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 4: But the second year after the big success, these are 368 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: the kinds of things that this Houston Texans team is 369 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 4: going to have to deal with. They are not under 370 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: the radar. They really are no longer anyone's darlings. They're 371 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 4: not a surprise. Everyone knows they are coming, everyone knows 372 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: how good they are, and it's gonna be nothing but praise, 373 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: endless praise, And it's just part of like Holmes and 374 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: the Chiefs deal with this a lot. It's part of 375 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 4: what the Texan they're really going to have to get 376 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: through the season. 377 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: And did you hear the music in the background, were 378 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: you feeling it? I did hear that. Mark, We're keeping 379 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: it going for you now, that's part of my request. 380 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 5: Really good, thanks Steve, I appreciate it. I would switch 381 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 5: up my theme music, but we'll get that later on 382 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 5: to the producers. But hey, look, you're right, hey, they 383 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 5: do have to avoid the traps and they'll take the 384 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 5: she don't take the cheese and rat poison and all that. 385 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 5: But last year when ces Shroud jumped out there and 386 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 5: he had those huge games, and each week they're saying, 387 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 5: all right, he's going to level off at some point, 388 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 5: and he just kept getting better and better and better, 389 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 5: and the team kept getting better and everybody around the 390 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 5: confidence just grew and built around it. 391 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Demiko Ryan's a phenomenal coach, so to me, Ces Shroud 392 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: already is easy. 393 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 5: Top ten quarterback easy knocking on the door of top 394 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 5: five could be top five already in what He's Done 395 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 5: argument Therapy's top five. But yes, the ultimate goal is 396 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 5: to be the man. 397 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: You have to beat the. 398 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 5: Man, and I love out Tank Dell gave Patrick's flowers 399 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 5: that he didn't just throw Patrick under the bus and say, 400 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 5: my guys seemed Dave's better than him. 401 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: He acknowledged, Yep, this is the standard. You got to 402 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: go beat that guy. 403 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 5: What Patrick has done has been amazing, but my guy 404 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: can do it and he has confidence in it. So yeah, Mark, 405 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 5: don't beat the man, and then we can talk about 406 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 5: you CJ. 407 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: But Mark, nobody gets there alone. 408 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: And what about the way the Houston Texans are ensuring 409 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: at least trying to ensure he continues that trend that 410 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 3: go out and to get Nistefon Diggs, that continue to 411 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 3: fordify that offensive line and they replenish the defense after 412 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: they lose some key players. 413 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they looked at. They're better. 414 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 5: It looks like a better team last year at this time, 415 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 5: we're just talking about the Texans. Well, maybe they've got 416 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 5: got the young quarterback, rookie rookie head coach. Let's see 417 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: what kind of damage. I mean, no one want to. 418 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 5: Ian and I are actually back together training camp there. 419 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 5: Nobody there would have thought they would have done what 420 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 5: they did last year throughout that, so I think they're 421 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 5: even better now. 422 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: The GM there, Nixonsaria said, you know. 423 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 5: What, I'm going to strike and get and get and 424 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 5: get Diggs, going to get Hunter, and we're going to 425 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 5: make a run at this right now. Our window might 426 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: not be opened as long as we think, so let's 427 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 5: take up shots now. We got a ton of young 428 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: players with contracts that we can build this around and 429 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: make this sustainable for a while. So you know, I 430 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 5: love what they've done so far. 431 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: Well, okay, smooth jazz beautiful For this segment, we're not 432 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: the next segment because we're going Hard Knocks. We're looking 433 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: at episode one and the Giants in some intriguing discussion 434 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: about former running back Saquon Barkley t demn not in 435 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: New York might be the man in Philly, though we'll 436 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 3: talk about that. 437 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: More on The Insider. 438 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: Weloc back to the Insiders and tomorrow night, episode number 439 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: two of Hard Knocks the off season with the New 440 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: York Giants. It drops on HBO and streams on Max. 441 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: We hope to see some moments as fascinating as this 442 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: one from GM Joe Shanan Company discussing Saquon Barkley to 443 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: play episode one. Obviously Saque franchising and trading him. 444 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: I don't think he's realistic. 445 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: Are we? 446 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 4: Are we positive that nobody is gonna pay him that 447 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 4: kind of. 448 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 7: Money, Like there's nobody in the draft never there's another 449 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 7: free agents receivers that are gonna they're rather gonna be 450 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 7: going back to their team at twenty million. 451 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 4: I mean, who would you say would go sign up 452 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 4: running back to that dollar a month team? That's I 453 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 4: mean anyone that has money to spend. 454 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 7: There's a lot of running backs in free agency. 455 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but are any potential difference makers? 456 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 7: Really? 457 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 4: Like, after you watch this film. 458 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 7: Even if sak one is number one, you're bored. Do 459 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 7: you imagine anyone's going to have such a gap between 460 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 7: Saque and Jacob's Pollard, Henry whoever else, that they're gonna 461 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 7: want him at twelve million dollars a year or minus 462 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 7: were willing to eat and send. 463 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: A draft pick? Right? 464 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: And then if we did, what would somebody realistically give up? 465 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: I just think all the team doesn't think they need 466 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: a running back, and look at do you feel good 467 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: about eating three to four million for a fifth round packer? 468 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not. 469 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 4: There's no guarantee we from training, so, you know, having 470 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: the needs that we have and a four million dollars 471 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: twenty seven year old. 472 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: Part interesting interesting stuff. I'm joined by Mark Ross and 473 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport. 474 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: Mark, let's start with you, because you've been in those 475 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: discussions when you were with the Giants and the Eagles, 476 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: and what did you take from what they were saying 477 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: about first off, examining the teams and then paying Saquon 478 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 3: and upwards of twelve million dollars in comparing to the 479 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: other running backs, and then how they were measuring him 480 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: and how he would fit on their roster. 481 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: Well, in first we got to know what the production is. 482 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 5: What was that spiced a little bit to make it 483 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 5: seem good for TV? 484 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: We don't know what. Let's just say it was. 485 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: That's what they do. It's edited, of course. 486 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: I know. 487 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 5: But so but you go through all of that when 488 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 5: you're in those meetings. They gave you a nice little 489 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 5: snippet of Look, these meetings go on forever, you know, 490 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 5: that wasn't just a five minute meeting that they had, 491 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 5: and everybody's in there. This has been talked about four 492 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 5: months throughout the whole year, really and pro scouts got 493 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: there and stack the board, and you get with your 494 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 5: cap guys, you get with your college evaluation team, and 495 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 5: you stack everything together. 496 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: You talk about all. 497 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: These different scenarios with your own players, with free agents, 498 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 5: with the draft that's coming up, and you try to 499 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 5: build the best team for you come up with the 500 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: best game plan for where you are financially, where you 501 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: are as a team. So that little couple minutes snippet 502 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 5: is really months and months and months of preparation and 503 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 5: work that the whole entire personnel department goes through. So 504 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 5: with the Giants in particular, that the big decision, as 505 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 5: we knew the last year or two was what to 506 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 5: do with Daniel Jones, what to do with Sakuon Barkley. 507 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 5: You know, up until the very end of how to 508 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 5: handle both of those contracts. Who to prioritize, who you 509 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 5: think you can get done and who would be easier 510 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 5: to do. What's the value of a quarterback versus the 511 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 5: running back, what's the upside, what's the potential. So that 512 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: little snippet there definitely chance light on it, but you know, 513 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 5: don't want to short change with the personnel department because 514 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: there's not a lot of months and months of work 515 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: that go into these decisions and these meetings. 516 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: So episode one great. 517 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: I've seen Episode two, which airs tomorrow, I think also excellent. 518 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 4: It's a rare look into the business side of football 519 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: which we haven't really seen, and seeing general manager top 520 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: lieutenants discuss pretty openly the value that they put on 521 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: players is really fascinating. I think it's the kind of 522 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: thing that we almost never get now. The fact that 523 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 4: they didn't think that somebody would pay Saguon Barkley more 524 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 4: than twelve million dollars. 525 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: And give up a draft pick is accurate. I also 526 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: think nobody would have done that. Somebody did end up. 527 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 4: Paying Saguon Barkley more than twelve million dollars, but then 528 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: by that point the salary cap number was much higher 529 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 4: than I think everyone anticipated. What I take from this 530 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: really is more philosophical than anything. It's more fundamental for 531 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: the Giants with general manager Joe Shane wants to bring 532 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 4: than anything. Is it worth it for the Giants to 533 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 4: pay a running back twelve million dollars? Do they believe 534 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: that that is good value to be a twenty seven 535 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 4: year old running back twelve million dollars? And they said 536 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 4: pretty openly in another clip of Hard Knocks that there 537 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 4: is a line where running backs at the age of 538 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: twenty seven historically start to go the wrong way. The 539 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 4: stats are what the stats are. We will see where 540 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 4: the Giants end up. A lot of things are going 541 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: to play out, But I was just really fascinated philosophically 542 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 4: that paying twelve million dollars for running back day is 543 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 4: just not something they really really wanted to do, even 544 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 4: with the player is very very special and they know 545 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: this as Saquon Barkley is. 546 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's interesting, and you mentioned that twenty 547 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: seven year old drop dead dayto to speak, if they 548 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: said the decline, we'll see how he declines behind that 549 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: very good Philadelphia Eagles Yeah, offensive loss this year. 550 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: There's also this, and you guys have heard this. 551 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: They didn't win with Saquan as great as he was, 552 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: as dynamic as he was, they lost ball games with 553 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: him and Mark This is where I want to get 554 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 3: to you because one thing Joe Shane did say is 555 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: that the priority should be with their money is fortifying 556 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: their quarterback Daniel. 557 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Jones so they can figure out what he is. 558 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: How much did that that little episode, the ended episode 559 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: that we saw tell you that this is the season 560 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: to show and prove for Daniel Jones. 561 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting I heard the argument about they didn't 562 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 5: win with Saquon. Well, they don't win with Daniel Jones either. 563 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 5: So they actually hi Rod Taylor and Tommy Cutler's Tommy 564 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: DeVito when they played the offense of what played better 565 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 5: and they were more efficient when those two guys were 566 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 5: on the field and not Daniel Jones. So the argument that, well, 567 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 5: we just need to get them a line and we 568 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: need to do this for him, it might be a 569 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 5: little bit of fool's goal because you put two other 570 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 5: quarterbacks in there that had to deal with the same 571 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 5: situation and they played better. And the best version of 572 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 5: Daniel Jones that we've seen is when Saquon Burt Barkley 573 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 5: is with him. So this is the great unknown whether 574 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 5: he can actually be okay competent without Saquon. And here 575 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 5: comes from Elie Neighbors and he's got to save the day. 576 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 5: So that's the huge question For me, it's not just 577 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 5: been this year with Daniel doings proven, It's been. 578 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: The last couple of years. 579 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: But the Giants brass otherwise and thought he had a 580 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 5: lot more to offer. But you know, I haven't really 581 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 5: seen a lot of Daniel Jones that think he can 582 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 5: compete with the big guys there in the NFC. 583 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: Dean Well, they. 584 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 4: Did make a run two years ago when he was 585 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 4: fully healthy, and I know it was a kind of 586 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: a Cinderella type season, but there he was leading them 587 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 4: into exactly where every team wants to go. 588 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: And I would say this, you're right. 589 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 4: I mean with Sakuon is a great player, and when 590 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 4: he has been healthy, he has absolutely helped the Giants 591 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: win football games if they're going to go where they 592 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: want to go. We have seen teams all across the 593 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 4: NFL it is with star quarterbacks. With Daniel Jones turn 594 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: into the star quarterback, the Giants hope that's all going 595 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: to play out on the field. But using that money 596 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: fortify the offensive line and such, to me, I think 597 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense for the Giants. 598 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: You know, the last great real inside linebacker was for 599 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: the New York Giants guys Antonio Piers and Antonio Pierce 600 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: is one of a handful of new coaches who are 601 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: trying to change the culture of their ball clubs. 602 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about ap and. 603 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: Some other new coaches as they get set for. 604 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: Training camp and the difference they can make. 605 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: That's next on the inside. 606 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: Let's do what we do, boy, let's do what we 607 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: do we specially the night. All right, crazy lads, get 608 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: some jews down. Let's go up top. 609 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: Huh up top. 610 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: Oh, let's go k like it, like it. 611 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 6: Pound them, pound them, pound them, pound them. 612 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: Let's get the ball off this fit sack of the game. 613 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: You can't keep this d line down, John Cope, You're 614 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: gonna get chance to see before man, that's awesome seeing 615 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: what you're. 616 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: Doing as a former player. 617 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: Right, they're gonna Raiders coach Antonio Pierce as we're joined 618 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: by our own Omar Ruiz. Antonio Pierce takes over midway 619 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 3: last season with the Raiders. Omar he goes five, I 620 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: even four as interim, gets the full time job after 621 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: they flirted with some other candidates. But there's a lot 622 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: of new coaches here and one of the big thing 623 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: they're trying to establish is culture. It looks like ap 624 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: got a head start on that as opposed to some 625 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: other coaches like Dave Canalis who were starting fresh. 626 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, you mentioned it. Steve the five and four of 627 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 8: the nine games as interim head coach he had with 628 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 8: the Raiders, and the immediate fix was the style of play. 629 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 8: And we saw the passion, the relentlessness, the energy that 630 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 8: they played with most, especially when they destroyed the Chargers. 631 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: They're on Thursday Night football. 632 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 8: But the first thing he did when they started the 633 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 8: off season program was, like you said, start to address 634 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 8: that culture. And he said he told his coaches put 635 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 8: the x's and o's on the back burner for a 636 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 8: little bit. Let's focus on chemistry, on continuity, on communication, 637 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 8: on accountability, and focus on our relationships. He said, first 638 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 8: from coaches to coaches, then when the players got into 639 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 8: the building, coaches to players, and of course in the 640 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 8: locker room, players to players. And he said that was 641 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 8: reflective in how they saw the player's practice. When OTAs began, 642 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 8: the passion, the love for the game, all of that 643 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 8: was on display. So he said it was a success 644 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 8: in that way. And he said, now in this window 645 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 8: between mini camp and training camp is when offensive coordinator 646 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 8: and Luke Getzie and him get in the lab, and 647 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 8: defensive coordator Patrick Graham and him get in the lab 648 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 8: and figure out now the x's and o's and how 649 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 8: best properly they're going to fit all of these players 650 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 8: into these schemes with the x'es and o's. And you 651 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 8: mentioned the kind of family atmosphere that he has there, 652 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 8: his son DeAndre literally on the staff, so that family 653 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 8: part of the culture there with the Raiders, And a 654 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 8: similar story with Dave Canalis talking with him a few 655 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 8: weeks ago during their mini camp with the Carolina Panthers 656 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 8: first time head coach, he told me that he wants 657 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 8: to create a culture there where everybody loves to come 658 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 8: to work. He told me that they haven't really spent 659 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 8: too much time focusing on fixing last year. He said, 660 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 8: they have so much on their plate already, trying to 661 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 8: install a new offense, trying to make that defense in 662 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 8: year two with a evro a little more sophisticated, and 663 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 8: advancing those calls there. And he said that when they 664 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 8: look to training camp, he's gonna want all those guys 665 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 8: to come with the energy and the fire and the passion. Steve, 666 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 8: you know Canalis as well, as I do that. You know, 667 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 8: nobody is more positive in the NFL than him, And 668 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 8: we saw what he's charged to do with Bryce Young. 669 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 8: And Bryce Young had a football camp earlier this summer 670 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 8: where Andy Dalton showed up, and offensive coordinator Brad Inzick 671 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 8: show up, and owner Nicole Tepper showed up. And I 672 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 8: said to Canalis, what does that show about Bryce Young? 673 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 8: And he said, well, everybody likes and respects Bryce, But 674 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 8: he said, that shows you what type of people we 675 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 8: have in the building that they would go support one 676 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 8: of their own, and that's the type of people you 677 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 8: can build a culture with. So he's excited to get 678 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 8: that training camp started here in a couple of weeks, 679 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 8: and as well as Antonio Pierce, you know, getting their 680 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 8: new stamps on their new teams here as we get 681 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 8: set for training camp here in a couple of weeks. 682 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Canal, it's a very positive guy. You talk 683 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: about supporting Bryce Young. They've got to support him on 684 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: the field by continuing to add to that roster as well. 685 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: But we know, Dave Canalis that quarterback whispers. Last two projects, 686 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, Smith Baker Mayfield had some outstanding seasons. 687 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: Big Oh, appreciate you man. Good stuff. 688 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look. You know, we're talking about 689 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: Dave Canalis and Antonio Pierce. There are two of eight 690 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: new full time head coaches entering twenty twenty four. You're 691 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: looking at Raheem Morris in Atlanta, Jim Harbaugh with the 692 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: Chargers Dan Quinn and Washington, and Mike McDonald with the 693 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks coming over from the Baltimore Ravens. Just bring 694 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: in Mark Ross and Mark you know, Mike McDonald, I 695 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: don't think the Seahawks are a team that we have 696 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: talked about enough this offseason because it's speaking with people there. 697 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: They believe they've. 698 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: Got talent, They've already got a pretty good culture established 699 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: under Pete Carroll. That's going to change some other Mike McDonald. 700 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: But from your perspective, when you look at the Seahawks 701 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: and maybe some other teams, what about the mix of 702 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: culture and talent and how quickly that can help a 703 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: team get going. 704 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, culture to me is a little bit overused. Steve. 705 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 5: I like to use the winning habits and winning mindset 706 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 5: that you put in a building, and Seattle already has it. 707 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 5: They won a Super Bowl and they've got people in 708 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 5: that building. 709 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: To know how to get it done. 710 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 5: So and now you bring a head coach in there 711 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 5: who comes from a winning organization with the Ravens, but 712 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 5: that get that winning attitude, that winning mindset, those winning habits, 713 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: they all stem from a lot of talent. And as 714 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 5: you said, like you you winning games, and it's easier 715 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 5: to sort of enforce that. And they've got talent and 716 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 5: all kinds of we know DK and we know Leonard 717 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 5: Williams and Mafey, young guys like that that are coming up, 718 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: a Witherspoon and Willen in on the secondary. 719 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: They've got a ton of talent. 720 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 5: So it's easier for him to the head coach to 721 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 5: come in here and say, okay, let's hate what we 722 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 5: already know this organization represents. We got a ton of guys, 723 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 5: and now I'll instill that my winning habits and mindset here. 724 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 5: But the team, for me, that's so the Seattle. Yes, 725 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 5: maybe a little underrated, but the team, if we talk 726 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 5: about culture and winning, is the Chargers, Steve. And that's 727 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 5: because you've got a qui quarterback in sea inusin Herbert, 728 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 5: who has shown I can be a top five quarterback 729 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 5: in this league. But you have a head coach who 730 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 5: shows every single place I go, I went, whether it's college, 731 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 5: where it's the NFL, let me get a national championship, 732 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 5: let me go to the super Bowl. He has shown 733 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 5: you talk about Coulture, he has done that everywhere. There's 734 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 5: no guess work on what Harball is going to do. 735 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 5: He's going to go in there and win. So you 736 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 5: already have a team with I think got a talent, 737 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 5: not just a quarterback. 738 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: But you've got Joe Off the first round pick. 739 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 5: They just drafted Rashawn Slater, maybe the best tackle group 740 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 5: in the league. Hey, Bosa is on the side. Does 741 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 5: Khalil Mack have anything left? So they've got a lot 742 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 5: of intriguing things going there with the charges because there's 743 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 5: no guest work. Last week year with the Texas Ken 744 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 5: Stroud do it, Ken Demika Ryans first time guys. Well 745 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 5: you saw how instantly they got better. Well, now you 746 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 5: got a proven quarterback and a proven head coach. Watch out, Steve. 747 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 5: That's the team for me that has the best culture 748 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: and talent. 749 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, Sharld Ryans did have past Mahomes and the Chiefs 750 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: waiting for him in the division either. 751 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: But you know what, we come back. 752 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna have a little fun at the expense of 753 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: our guy, Maurice Jones Drew. Whoa, there he is, running 754 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 3: with the rock, running over people, running from people. 755 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: But his latest adventures, Oh boy, make sure. 756 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: To come back after the break. 757 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: All right now? 758 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: This weekend at Pamplona, Spain, our Maurice Jones Drew, or 759 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: as he calls his vacation persona Indiana Jones Drew got 760 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: the experience of a lifetime running. 761 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: With the bulls with his daughter. 762 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 3: Here's his account of how his NFL skills translated to 763 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: this epic event. 764 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: So we running. I'm looking, I'm looking to the left. 765 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: I see one you feel me. 766 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 9: I see this the bull, Me and my baby looking 767 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 9: and then something told. 768 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: Me to look straight. 769 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 9: So I look straight and there's a guy on the 770 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 9: ground right in front of me. I got my baby 771 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 9: in my left hand. She's supposed to be on my 772 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 9: right sid but she on my left side. At this point, 773 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 9: I heard of them. I get over him. I look again. 774 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 9: There's another guy in front down and then two guys 775 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 9: fall over him. So I try to jump cut You 776 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 9: feel me to the left, right into the bull. You 777 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 9: see what I'm saying. But buddy wouldn't move, so he 778 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 9: tripped me and down there I went. I feel, I feel, 779 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 9: and I took my baby with me. 780 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: Mark. That's one of the best things ever. 781 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 3: I just hope he doesn't get a call from like 782 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 3: child Protective Services or something. 783 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you heard MJD. He's got skills. 784 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: You play college football, right are you running with the bulls? 785 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 2: You can jump cut, you can run a daylight. 786 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 5: And if he went by himself, why's he got his daughter? 787 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 5: Why do he put his daughter in danger? Come on, MJD. 788 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 5: You made a bad dad just doing that. Absolutely not. 789 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 5: I'm meeting top of sipping sipping some rioha. I am 790 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 5: not absolutely not doing that, Steve, come. 791 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: On in man. 792 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 4: I got some questions about the veracity of some of 793 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 4: his account right there. We really think he's jump cutting 794 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 4: and dodging because I believe he went down. Got no 795 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 4: doubts about that one, but we really think he's hurtling. 796 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 2: Get out of here anyway. 797 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 4: I had the opportunity about twenty years ago to roam 798 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 4: with the bulls. 799 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 2: I was all set to do it. 800 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 4: I was ready, I'd gotten all the courage, and then 801 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 4: I found out that you run at like six in 802 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 4: the morning, and you know, there may have been a 803 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 4: little bit of partying the night before. And was I 804 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 4: really gonna stay up all night or get like one 805 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 4: hour of sleep in the car we were sleeping in 806 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 4: alas I did not, So there was my opportunity at 807 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 4: some point. But when I was a twenty two year 808 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 4: old college graduate with backpacking across Europe with my buddies, 809 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 4: I polately declined so I could sleep. 810 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: And you went back and got some worse agria later 811 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 3: that night. Gentlemen, I am closer to the grave than 812 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 3: I am the legal drinking age. 813 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: If there's any way you. 814 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: Think I'm gonna go and run with the bulls, you 815 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: are out of your head. 816 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be sitting there next to Mark Ross in 817 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 3: our beautiful wives, and we're gonna be eating tapus and 818 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: drinking some rioha, and we're gonna be watching Ian and 819 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: his dreams, reliving his account that he missed twenty years 820 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 3: ago run with the bulls. 821 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: Because that is not me. That's real, quick, mj D. 822 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 3: None of us believes you with the jump cut on, 823 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: but the fumbel that's good. I'm glad you held onto 824 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 3: your daughter tomorrow. Come watch this on the inside.