WEBVTT - SUNDAY SAMPLER - The Nashville Podcast Network (8-11-24) 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.879 Hey, it's Amy here and we are back with another 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.200 Sunday sampler. It's clips from some of the podcasts that 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.759 came out this week on the Nashville Podcast Network, like 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.439 The Bobby Cast, my podcast Four Things with Amy Brown, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.239 so Losers with Lunchbox, and Ray Movie, Mike's Movie podcast, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.599 Get Real with Caroline Hobby, and more. This week on 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.000 the Bobby Cast, Bobby talked with radio veterans Tony Randall 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.520 and Chris Rochester of The Tony and Chris Show. They've 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.960 been in radio over thirty years, so they have a 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.479 bunch of stories, like the time they interviewed Garth before 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.480 he was famous. As you may know, a new podcast 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.639 joined the Nashville Podcast Network Family a few weeks ago. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.479 It's called In the Vets Office with Doctor Josie and 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.520 it's all about animals. So check that out if you haven't. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.320 Josie's an amazing storyteller. You're gonna love it. And another podcast, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.200 It's Near to the Fam is Take This Personally with 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.960 Morgan Hulsman. This week she had on two guests, therapist 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.080 doctor Alexandra Solomon and country artist Kylie Morgan. So you're 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.440 going to hear from both of them. Let's get started 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.160 with a clip from Take This Personally. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.000 This week, I have on doctor Solomon, who is beyond 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.640 an expert with over twenty years of experience. She studied 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.200 psychology and women's studies at the University of Michigan, and 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.880 she also received her PhD in counseling psychology. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.759 Thank you for joining me, and. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.440 I want to get your expertise on several topics, but 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.440 we're going to dive right into the deep end. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:33.160 To start, I. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.120 Want to talk to you about the ways that we 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 invalidate ourselves. I'm guilty of it. I know a lot 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.080 of people are of saying others have it worse. How 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.600 do we get away from doing that and feeling that way? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well the only way that I know 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.560 how to do it is with something in something that 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.880 comes from psychology, which is called dialectics. So dialectics. You know, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.240 our research has shown that a lot of our emotional 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:05.000 resilience and emotional well being rests upon our ability to 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.120 hold a dialectic. And a dialectic is a space where 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.919 competing truths, where two things are true at the same time, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.720 two things that seem opposite are actually both true. I 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.880 had a terrible day and I am blessed. Those both 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.320 are true. We can be blessed and suffering that both 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.640 those things can be true. I don't have to prove 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.640 that I have it worse than anybody else in order 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.360 to be entitled to my suffering, and the way that 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.720 I do that is by holding both my grief and 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.680 my gratitude, my courage and my fear, the fact that 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.600 I'm whole as I am, and I'm. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.880 Forever a work in progress. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.840 Like these things that just seem like they can't possibly 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.320 both be true at the same time are as part 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.840 of the thing that makes being. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.120 Alive so complicated. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.520 So I think if I have one of those moments, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.880 I certainly have had those moments where I am just 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.639 in the suck. I am just like suffering and struggling 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.160 and want to host a big old pity party for myself. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.160 And then I'm just like, ah, I'm being ridiculous because 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.280 there are people who have, you know, quote unquote actual problems. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:09.640 Both those things are true. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:15.160 Yes, I am absolutely blessed and I am absolutely burnt 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.800 out or struggling. So that's where I try to go, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.119 because You're right, if I cannot validate my own suffering. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.400 You can bet that I'm not going to be able 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.400 to validate the suffering of people around me, and then 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:26.919 I'm not going to be very fun to be around 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.000 because I'm going to be judgmental and dismissive, you know, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.240 and like roll my eyes at people. And that's not 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.560 going to be a recipe for healthy relationships. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.680 And being self aware is kind of one of the 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.680 big buzzwords right now in psychology and therapy. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.800 Visit living up to all the hypes. Should we be 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.360 focusing so much on that? And what does that look like? 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.280 If somebody hasn't ever heard the word self aware and 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.040 they're like, what do I need to do with that? 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.320 What would be the first steps you'd tell someone to 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.680 get through this first phase to be on that journey. 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.880 Self awareness is my that's my jam. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.480 That's how I spend really all day every day is 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.280 supporting people in different ways to understand with curiosity and 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.200 with compassion who they are and why they are the 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:09.040 way that they are. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.560 And I think it's it is essential. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.920 If what people want is high quality relationships, whether that's 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.320 relationship with partner, relationship with their family members, relationship with 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.800 their kids, we have to be willing to get curious 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.400 about why we are reacting the way we are reacting 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.919 in any given moment, like that's just the work of it. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.960 So I think the first step is to just begin 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:34.440 to notice how we're talking to ourselves, notice when we 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.480 have rise and fall of different emotions during the day, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.560 Like just getting really curious and starting to view our 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.120 thoughts and our feelings and our behaviors as data. It's 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.440 just data that we then can sit with and wonder about. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.960 I think one of the things, you know, you started 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.039 off by asking about kind of what's changed in the 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.479 last couple of decades the whole field of self help. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.720 As I was growing up in the eighties, my mom 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.800 always had a stack of self help books next to 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.680 her nightstand. So self help isn't new necessarily, but we're 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.680 living in this really exciting time with social media of 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.480 podcasts where there's so many resources that somebody can bring in, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.640 and I think just listening to different podcasts that are 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.599 about relationships or about psychology, or reading, you know, following 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.839 different Instagram accounts, there's like daily small doses of self 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.119 awareness work. I think those are really gentle ways to start, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.760 especially if someone's not interested in committing to therapy or 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.440 something like that. But there's little things we can do 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.960 each day to just begin to check in with ourselves. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.200 How do you suggest I think it's hard for people 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.520 to receive feedback. There's criticism and there's unkindness, but then 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.159 there's feedback. And because of social media, there is also 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.640 this other side that we've seen, this very cruel side 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.080 of the world. So it's really easy to loop in 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.360 feedback with criticism and negativity. So how do we kind 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.880 of look at something like, Okay, this is feedback to 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.240 help me versus criticism to hurt me. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:01.920 That's right. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.080 I think that's a very very good point. It's all 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.680 about the strength of the relationship. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:06.039 Yeah. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.960 I will not take feedback from somebody where I have 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.880 a sense that there's an ulterior motive or a hidden agenda, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.839 or a lack of willingness to be in dialogue with me, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.960 in community with me. I won't take feedback from somebody 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.800 where if I don't have a sense that somebody has 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.560 my back or has my best interest at heart, or 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.039 who really can feel the core of me as a good, 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.920 decent person, they don't get the right to give me feedback. Right, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:34.559 You know and that so that I think it really 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.000 is about the strength that's I want us to be 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.160 cultivating the kinds of relationships where there's enough trust that 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.480 then feedback feels like a generous gift rather than an attack. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.440 And that's what there was right with my husband. I 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.640 trust that he's in my corner. I trust that he 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.760 has my back. I trust that whatever he wants and 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.760 needs to say to me is in the service of 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:01.120 everyone in our family feeling safe and understand and held 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.000 and celebrated, rather than to take me down or to 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.359 prove some point or to diminish me. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.000 You guys go to San Diego. How long were you 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:18.800 on together in San Diego? 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.720 Ninety three to two and fifteen years? 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:23.560 Fifteen years? 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.800 I think, well, that last year was just paid out there. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.400 You got paid for a whole year. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:28.200 Oh more than that. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:29.800 It was the craziest thing. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.240 We won't go into the radio company that did it, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:38.840 but before it was we were making really good money. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.720 That they had built a station across the street for us, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.840 and we went across the street and then halfway through 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.560 it we were number one, beating our old station that 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:48.679 had never been beaten before. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.200 Okay, let me let me for those that don't know, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.000 so across the street means a rival. So you were 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.320 working at a different station and a clear channel built 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.480 a station and then they said, hey, come so they 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:57.680 hired you away from your old station. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:58.960 Yes, got it, And. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.760 We were crushing like they put a ridiculous bonus in 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.080 if you could beat your old station because it was 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.360 always number one, and we did it in the first 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.280 book and everybody was losing their mind. 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.400 And then a new Jane clarify one quick thing. They 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.080 didn't hire us away like we just went for more money. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.800 There's a story behind it. We wanted to stay at 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.320 Casso Win. Oh if we were there for ten years, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.320 wasn't a big contract negotiations? 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:19.880 Then you picked them. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.360 It was a big contract negotiation. The contract had been 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.200 negotiated in principle. We just hadn't signed the contract yet. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.880 Everything was done for our wives. I delay it is great. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.280 And then the VP at the at that time was 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.040 an insurance company that owned Cassel Lincoln Financial. She saw 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.840 it the deal and she said, what what are we doing. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.760 We're not paying these guys this money and they're like, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.440 yes we are. This is what the market will bear, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.160 this is what the top shows are making. She says, well, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.640 we've never paid a show this much and we're not 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.320 doing that. So she renegged on the deal. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.440 Wow, she next the deal just and then she sent 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.800 word down when they'll either take it what they're doing 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.080 for another year one year contract so we can find 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.480 someone cheaper, or they can go to another market and 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.199 we'll tell everybody they ditched for more money. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.760 And that was the caso in way because there were 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.079 some names that came out of there. Jack Diamond back 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.559 in the day, Lisa Dent who went to Chicago had 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.480 great success. It was a station where if you left, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.440 if you were successful and left, you left the city. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.200 Nobody had ever stayed because there was no country station 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.800 who would take him on ever. So this was right 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.800 before the holidays. It was weird because we always took 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.480 two weeks off at the end of the year and 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.520 we're packing up our stuff. But then we basically called 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:21.760 the buddy of ours and said, hey, can you come 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.200 help us get this out. We're going to empty out 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.800 the office because we knew when we left we were 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.760 leaving for good. And our agent called the guy's a 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.520 clear channel and said, hey, would you be interested in 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.360 Tony and Chris, and they were like, absolutely, but they'll 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.240 never leave KSOM. I mean, they're killing it over there. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.520 And he was a funny story and he told them 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:36.880 what happened. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:37.240 They said. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.160 The guy was like, give me a couple of days 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.720 because now we're in the holidays. Books are closed. Obviously, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.520 long story short, it got done. And when we left 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.680 Kson before Christmas two weeks before, came back in January 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.400 to a brand new radio station that had been built 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:51.880 for us. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.439 Was that a super stressful, intense time for you guys. Yes, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.240 that you talk about it now, it's like how ham 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.480 But really at the time, it was like, oh my god, horrible. Yeah, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:09:59.319 I'm like, what am I going to do? 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.600 I've I got he hurt, even though the other station 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.679 you loved everybody at the other station, and then you're 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.679 coming on and it was just weird and like jealous 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.920 that there's people in our seats and across the street. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.120 How quickly did they hire someone new? Pretty quick? They 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:14.960 had to Actually, I take that back, like a year. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.880 They put in like a mid the midday guy and 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.520 somebody and they were on there for that only it 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:19.040 was a year. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.280 And they're dead man walking. It almost doesn't matter who 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:21.520 it is. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.480 Yeah, they knew well they and the nice thing about 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.679 to their credit, they weren't hiring them to do the 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.000 morning show and then get rid of them when they 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.480 were done. The guy stayed on with the company for 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.320 a while doing midday the things, but you know, they 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.640 did what they had to do, and then they hired 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.120 a show that was, in my opinion, not awesome. But 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.360 it's tough because they're putting people together who weren't already 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.120 a show, and that's that's risky. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.480 What was it like at the new place? 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:42.439 Initially? 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.559 It was great initially well with. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.600 The GM when he hired us, he goes, look, our 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.800 afternoon guy is a good kid, he's the PD. Will 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.280 you guys kind of train him how to be a PD? 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.200 And you knew how to be a PD? Huh did 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:57.120 you guys know how to be a PD? 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:57.480 Well? 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.040 I think we knew. We knew how to be cast 0:10:59.120 --> 0:10:59.800 on by the best. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:00.960 We knew how to be KSL. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.800 And so then we would say, like, the first thing 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.679 they're going to do is say call all the record 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.400 labels and say if you do anything with them, we're 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.960 not going to play the records. So we said, let's 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.640 get the PD or the music director at k and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.040 I X to be our music director also, so that 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.359 takes away that leverage. 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.679 And you know, so we were little things like that. It 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:21.400 was a brand new station. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.319 We weren't reporting, but ANIX was and so it was 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.720 Gwynn Foster so and so that that held. They couldn't say, well, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.760 we won't play it anymore. So well neither were Canix. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.319 So we we crushed them and we're I mean, it 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.360 was just rocking and it was great. And then the 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.120 new GM come in and the new GM. The afternoon 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.200 jock was not the PD was not smart. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.200 How long was your turn? Your new contract for five years? 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.600 And when the new GM come in, the GM basically 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.360 said I don't need a morning show's input. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.480 I've got a PD right here. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.320 I didn't believe in country either, So it was we 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.120 were out of the. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.839 Gate fundamentally a bad just a bad fit. Yeah. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.360 And then as soon as that happened, we got cut 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.400 out of the loop on everything and the decision started 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.760 being weird. Like I remember one day being at CMA 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.240 the roundtable thing, and the lady walked up and goes, boy, 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.800 it's a tough day for you guys. And we're like what, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.880 and she goes the PD's calling all the regionals or 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.839 the record reps and telling them that we don't need 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.920 you anymore because they decided they're going to start leaning 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:17.680 more Old Country. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:19.000 We're like what. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.200 So we had to call and get that stopped, and 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.400 then like six weeks later, without telling anybody, they flipped 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:24.920 it to New Country. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:25.720 It was just weird. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.000 But anyhow, when we were saying the last year we 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.959 just got paid out, we were calling our agent, and 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.559 our agent finally just said one day he goes, guys, Paul, 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.200 you know Paul I do, and he goes, guys, you're 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.880 trying to win and you will not win. They want 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.960 you gone, and we're like, well, what do we do? 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:45.560 And so we went and said, if you don't want 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.000 us here, let us out, and they were like, oh no, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.120 we want you here, but we need you to sign this. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.840 And it was a list of you will not easy 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.520 ask stuff, You will not talk more than twenty seconds 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.760 of break, you will never say your name, you will 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.320 run no imaging with your name. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.400 If traffic's more than sixty seconds behind out of this window. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.120 I mean, all these crazy reasons they could fight out a. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.640 Where was this coming from, like what you actually have 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.920 some clarity from it now because you're far removed, But really, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.080 what was happening? 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.959 What was the goal in Well, we found out because 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.200 of an email. Basically they wanted to save the money. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:18.920 Did they were paying you guys, the GM. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.080 They were trying to get us for cause because it 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.400 was an ironclad contract. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.800 And that's why they were giving you all these stipulations. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.200 They were ready for you to break one because they 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:26.320 were so hard to maintain. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.600 Paul was just like, take the checks in our building 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.400 to get out of Remember when the craze happened where 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.679 everybody was buying everybody. Yes, we had Jeff and jer 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.559 Dave Shelley and Chainsaw us AJ. The four biggest morning 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.040 shows in San Diego were all in one hallway and 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.319 that was a lot of money, a lot of money 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.480 back then. And they just the new GM come in 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.520 and goes, I don't want that, Like they replaced our 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.679 show when we left with two part timers who at 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.640 one of which had never been in a radio station 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:52.600 six weeks before. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:54.280 It's kind of like when George gets fired from the 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.280 Yankees and they're like, who's doing your job now? An 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:57.760 intern he comes in on Mondays. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.560 You know, it's like out that GM came in with 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.880 a completely different agenda, and he was trying to put 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.280 the pieces together to eliminate a lot of cash being 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.040 paid out to talent. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:10.760 Didn't believe in talent basically. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.560 Yeah, it was probably the beginning of the end for 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.560 talent in San Diego anyway at that time. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.040 So for a year we just our agent just said, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.680 just go in, get do the weather, the calls, and 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.080 play solitaire all morning and cash those checks. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.680 So in the meantime, I'll work to get you out 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.000 of this, and he eventually did and they had to 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.920 pass eighteen months to do nothing, which is great. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.560 You're listening to in the ves office with doctor Josie Horschak. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:01.280 I'm so excited about our guest today in the VETS office. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.840 We have my friend and my mentor, doctor Cindy Charlie, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.400 are joining us. Doctor Cindy is a VET that was 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.560 like me in general practice for quite a while and 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.960 then she decided to pursue a residency and become a 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:22.400 board certified canine and feline a veterinary dentist in oral surgeon. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.320 She's really gone on to become the most saw after 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.960 dental guru really in the vet world, and she has 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.720 spent years going all over the country training veterinarians about 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.120 vets industry. She taught me everything I know about VET dentistry, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.360 and she has such enthusiasm for the subject that you know, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.960 is amazing and really helps educate doctors and owners and 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:46.440 she's just it's contagious. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.000 So I'm excited to have her here today. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.080 Awesome, All right, let's talk about teeth with doctor Cindy. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.160 Hi, doctor Cindy, we are so excited to have you 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.640 in the VETS office today. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.320 Welcome, thank you, happy to be here. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.560 I know I mentioned a little bit in my intro, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.840 but doctor Cindy was a general practitioner like I am 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.400 for almost twenty years, and then she decided that she 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.800 wanted to be a board certified veterinary dentist. Can you 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.120 explain what exactly that means for the listeners? 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.800 Sure? I always call it my midlife crisis. So what 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.160 I realized early in my practice career was that nothing 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:34.360 had a big impact on how my patients felt than 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.760 to work in their mouths and eliminate world discomfort. And 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.640 so I had an opportunity to become a specialist. Just 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.680 like as a person you go to an oncologist or 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.120 a radiologist or internal medicine specialist. All those specialists exist 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.480 in the world of veterinary medicine also, and so I 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:57.440 went back to become a board certified veterinary dentist. So 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.960 there are probably about one hundreds of us or so 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.359 in the United States, not very many. It's a relatively 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.919 new specialty in veterary medicine. But I went back and 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.000 did that because I felt it gave me an opportunity 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.960 to really impact patients' care. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.280 And I think a really interesting thing that listeners may 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.520 not know until they listen to this podcast is that 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.600 in veterinary medicine, it's very different than in human medicine. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.320 When pets come to their general practitioner, we really do 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.639 what we feel comfortable doing until we're like, this is 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.399 maybe above my pay grade. I'm going to send them 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.919 to a specialist. So at any given moment, we can 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:38.080 be an ophthalmologist, a dentist, a cardiologist. What are some 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.760 of the things that you typically see that general practitioners 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.200 are sending to you rather than doing themselves. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.879 Yeah, So the greatest thing about being a specialist is 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.960 we have an opportunity to triangulate. So it's the veterinary specialist, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.679 it's the general practitioner, it's the owner, and it's the 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.200 patients in the middle. So there's three of us putting 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.720 our heads together to be a as we can about 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.800 providing the pet with the best care. So some of 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.240 the common cases that I would have referred to me 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.080 would be a pet with a fractured tooth for a 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.280 root canal, a pet with a oral tumor, a cancerous 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.720 tumor to have treatment for that, a doog that got 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.639 hit by a car that had a fractured jaw, a 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.359 hat or kitten that was born with a cleft palate. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.200 Like kids are born with cleft palates, puppies and kittens 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.399 are sometimes born with that. Also, patients that may be 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.560