WEBVTT - Extreme Sleep: Parasomnia 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:13.840 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.480 My name is Robert Lamb. I'm Julie Douglas. So Julie, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.560 how how you been sleeping lately? Have you've been inducted 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.680 by aliens? Has your head exploded anything like that? Reason? No, 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.120 I haven't had any weird sleep disorders that makes me 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.920 feel like I'm being probed or anything ricocheting around my head, thankfully. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.960 But if we've discussed in the past, you had a 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:38.040 little uh bit of the exploding head syndrome. I did, yeah, yeah, 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.000 which was terrifying because it sounded like a door just 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.559 shutting in my head really loud, and I thought for 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.360 sure someone had entered the house and it was about 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.879 to hack meat a bits. But no, yeah, because I mean, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.600 one of the key things about dreams is that to 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.960 the dream or the dream is generally real, our mind 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.880 completely buys its reality, and so it's a really telling 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.440 thing on on a larger level about how our brains 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.800 can believe anything, and it can be a you know, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.000 and you can argue that well of our brains can 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.320 believe this is a dream. Then what's to say that 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.800 everything going on right now is not a dream. Well, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.600 and dreams in the in the brain are is still 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:17.240 one of those areas of research that's pretty untapped. And 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.319 and just now are people really starting to understand what's 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.920 going on with our brains when we're sleeping and why 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.880 we do the things we do and think the things 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.920 we think are happening to us and a general like 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.520 generally for my part, I have pretty normal sleep. So 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.680 I tend to have nights where I have like a 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.800 good night's sleep or a bad night's sleep, or I 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:42.399 have um no dreams, stupid dreams, really cool dreams, or 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.240 sometimes like stress dreams or nightmares. But that's pretty much it. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.560 But there is we're going to discuss in this podcast. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.160 There's a whole world of extreme sleep out there, of 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.800 crazy and sometimes very tragic um sleep disorders that can 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.320 occur and plague people for years. Yeah. Yeah, And the 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.920 sleep paralysis, which we have mentioned in the alien abductions. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.160 That is pretty much the sleep paralysis. This feeling that 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.519 that you know you're being tied down in your muscles, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.760 are are you're not working basically, but you're awake. That 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.320 sort of brief moment that's really responsible for a lot 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.080 of people trying to square what's happening to them and 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.440 coming out on the other end thinking they've been abducted 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.200 by aliens, by the way, because their muscles are still 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.440 locked down. Like the basis here is when you when 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.640 you're sleeping, UH, we're having uh. You know, our bodies 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.760 arresting for the most part, and we need a we're 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.120 we have all this mental activity that's still going on, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.240 so we the brain shuts down the rest of the 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.640 body so that if in your dream you are karate 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.760 chop and zombies, you won't actually be throwing karate chops. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.360 And then when you wake up, they the idea is 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.320 to release these constraints, unlock everything, and let you carry on. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.400 But in sleep paralysis, somebody forgot to undo under the locks. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.400 You know what you're a but I'm awake. I should 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.080 be able to control my muscles now, but I'm not. 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.000 So it's very confusing. And then with other para so omnias, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.720 you have the the opposite going on, where you know 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.200 the safety should be on and you're sleeping, and yet 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.760 your local motor part of your brain is directing you 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.160 in all sorts of places and you're you're running a 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.839 muck in the neighborhood. I think yesterday I was trying 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.600 to do like an elaborate Jurassic Park electric tarance dinosaurs 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.080 kind of analogy. But I think the more apt analogy 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.600 would be roller coasters. Like sleep paralysis is the roller 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.040 coaster has come to a stop, but you're still locked 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.120 into the roller coaster harness, and you're like, why is 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.280 this not releasing? And then uh, some of these other 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.320 situations we're talking about are the roller coaster is moving 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.440 and the harness is not locked down. Yeah, and you're 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.600 just you know, you're going down the hill and you're 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.160 trying to float out of your seat. Yes, that's the feeling, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.600 and that's the analogy. UM, as far as statistics to go, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.120 sleep paralysis actually pretty common, and surveys from different countries 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.560 show a wide range of estimates anywhere from twenty to 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:10.720 six of that particular population experiencing sleep paralysis. So, you know, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.280 we're not going to really talk about sleep paralysis, but 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.080 we'll talk a little bit more about a parasomnia. And 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.000 we're when we're talking about a parasomnia, it's anything that 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.359 happens that sort of out of the ordinary parasomnia, abnormal 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:29.120 sleep basically right, yeah, yeah, And some examples are eating disorders, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.440 you know, sleep eating sleep, sleepwalking, night terrors. So we're 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.520 not talking like midnight snack. We're talking you get up 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.320 in you you are stuffing your pie hole with a 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.960 table butter. That's what we're talking about. Something that you 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.360 normally wouldn't do, right, um, and then hopefully you wouldn't 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.919 be doing that. And then rem sleep behavior disorders and 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:54.120 sleep aggression. And then there's them, say the cherry on 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:59.040 the top six omnia which is sometimes called sleep sex. Yeah, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.279 and that refers to actual acts they're carried out by 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.799 a person who is sleeping. This is this is real. Yeah. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.400 Actually went to a panel at the World Science Festival 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.480 about sleep and Dr Carlo Shank was one of the panelists, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.640 and he says that parasomnia is represent extreme states of 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.599 mixed sleep wakefulness and that brain research has shown that 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.960 when the brain is globally asleep, there are still parts 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.960 of the brain that are awake. With parasonnia's release of 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.080 behavior is not accompanied by proper judgment, and sleep behavior 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:36.080 is non culpable behavior, which is important in your judgment 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.400 is still in the dream world. That your movements are 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.840 in the real world. So yeah, yeah, And we can 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.320 talk a little bit more about this later. But there 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.200 have been people who have had a sleep disorder defense 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.239 for murders and have gotten off because they could prove 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.360 that what they did while they were sleeping really wasn't 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.200 intentional by their waking self. You know, I feel like 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.840 I have some sort of a sleep disorder now that 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.159 we're talking about it is I'll be having a dream 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.640 and well, this is an example. I'll have the dream 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.040 and then suddenly a guy will come to me in 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.520 the dream and be like, Hey, I have this pegasus here. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.360 Would you like to ride this pegasus around and fly 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.520 around and experience unbridled you know, joy. And I will 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.960 be like, I don't know, this sounds kind of scary. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.200 I have something I need to do, like like, I 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.880 don't embrace like I'm bringing too much real world judgment 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.800 into my dreams. Was this guy Harry Hamlin? Um No, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.080 I don't think it was because of the yeah, clash 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.159 the touch. Okay, so you can't really turn off that 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.320 part of your brain that's see the judgment to to 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.480 sort of let yourself go with it, right, Like if 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.800 I'm in the dream personally, it seems like crazy things 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.600 don't really happen. Sometimes weird things too, but it's it's 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.760 only when I'm like a third person perspective, when it's 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.200 like a movie dream, then things will be awesome. But 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.920 if it's just me, it's like I'll pass on the pegasus, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.480 you know, and and other things will occur and I'll 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.039 be like, oh, I'm not really into that, whereas and 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.360 then I'll wake up and be like, well, that was 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.120 a dream. I could have done anything. Well. I wonder, like, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:03.880 I know that sleep patterns are now being connected to genetics. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.680 I wonder if your dreaming patterns could be as well. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.520 And this is actually from Wired dot com Sleep Disorders 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.440 Trace to Genes that says researchers only began to seriously 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.880 explore the genetics asleep in the mid ninety nineties, and 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.040 they're far from determining which genes are in charge of 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.880 the body clock. Even so, there appears to be general 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.200 consensus that many of us don't voluntarily choose to be 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.559 short sleepers or long sleepers, or morning people or night people, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:35.120 which is kind of interesting because you know, independently of this, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.040 the researchers have found that people with a certain gene 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.960 are more likely to feel sleepy or fatigued, but have 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.720 difficulties sleeping after only four hours of sleep compared to 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:50.240 people without this gene. And this gene is associated with narcolepsy. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.360 So's there's certainly underlying factors going on here when we 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.000 talk about sleep disorders, um or even diseases like something 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.000 called the fatal familial insomnia. Oh now this one's yeah, 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.679 this is a brutal it's awful. Um again, it's another 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.080 it's it's a type of sleep disorder. Although it's it's 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.840 a bit of a disease. It runs in families, and 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.160 Pierre Luigi Gambetti, one of the discoveries of the condition, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.760 claims that it is the worst disease that you could get. Yeah, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.400 and he's not overstating this. Our own Josh Clark wrote 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.240 a little bit about this and what do I think? 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.160 It was ten amazing things your brain can do, which 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.160 you can just find just a search for fatal insomnia 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.320 on the House of Works home page and you'll find 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.080 this a particular article. But yeah, it's actually a prion disease, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.600 which is a kin to like curu. The disease among 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:45.040 human animals. Yeah, and then also akin to mad cow 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.640 disease as well. So it's a it's a it's an 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.760 abnormal like protein encoding thing. Only twenty eight families worldwide 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.120 so far have they discovered have this. But yeah, I 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.800 mean it's it's brute like. There was this this one 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.600 who had and I mean it's like months of not 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.320 being able to sleep, like just falling into the resulting 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.360 that comes with this. And uh, I mean they eventually 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:08.960 like tried to shut his brain down and put him 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.360 in an artificial comma, but his brain was still awake 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.760 in there. Yeah, this is this is the case of Um, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.839 it's a Chicago music teacher, Michael Cork. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.559 at the age of forty, he just had an awful 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.719 bout of insomnia. You're right, completely quit sleeping, which is 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.600 the marker of this disease. You quit sleeping, your your 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.040 brain and your body begin to shut down. He deteriorated 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:34.760 into dementia, and doctors actually even induced the coma in 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.560 in him, hoping that that would help shut down that 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.600 part of the brain. But no, this is his brain 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.400 continued to be active. Um, and so I believe it 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.600 was six months after the initial onset of insomnia that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.360 he died. So this is fatal um. In some cases, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.760 people can live up to three years, but they will 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:56.959 die UM. And what's unusual about this is that it 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.400 doesn't really come into existence until and that's something like 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.600 the forties fifties. UM, that's when it's going to show up. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.280 And because it's an autosomal dominant gene mutation, there's a 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.360 fifty percent chance that you can pass this along to 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.960 your kid. So it's relatively um new to us in 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.440 terms of its discovery, and it's very rare. And again 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.560 it's very hard to spot because if your kid doesn't 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.319 develop this until they're an adult, you know, they're forty 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.120 fifty years old, then you know, prior to us even 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.800 knowing about it, you would just not you would assume 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.839 that it was some sort of freak accident that you're 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.719 you know, that your child expired from. So it's a 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.040 It is awful because you're wasting away in your mind 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.440 is wasting away, and you're not sleeping, and you just 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.640 shut down, your body shuts down. You know. Insomnia is 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.600 one of these things that I think it's difficult for 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.560 people to imagine if you've never suffered through it, because 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.120 I mean, if for people with normal sleep patterns, you 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.960 might think like, well, I wouldn't be able to sleep. Oh, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.640 I guess I'll have to play video games all night 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.160 or a while. I'd get so much work done or 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.160 reading done. Is sometimes it's especially in a busy life 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.280 or life full of a lot of hobbies. Um, you think, well, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.960 sleep's kind of in the way. It's kind of like eating. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.560 It's if I didn't have to do this, it would 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.360 free up a lot of time. But but but when 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.600 you have insomnia, when you have trouble sleeping, Um, it's 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.520 it's not like you have a gift of usable time 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.280 on your hands, you do know, I mean yeah, I 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.560 mean basically, insanity sets in the longer amount of time 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.760 that you know you're sleep deprived. Um. And we've talked 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.600 about this before. You've had a couple of all night 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.719 ers maybe, Um, you know, whether you're studying or you 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.400 were doing something else, a couple of days after you 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:41.240 were seriously debilitated in your ability to think critically. And 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.720 that's just a couple of nights. Can you imagine six 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.920 months of not sleeping? Um? You know that and and 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.200 that would make sense why he descended into dementia. Yeah, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.720 there is. I mean this is fiction. But Stephen King's 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.080 book Insomnia um, which that's the title implies, has to 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.640 do with insomnia, but it it ultimately involves, of course 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.760 some stup for natural elements and ties into the whole 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.800 Dark Tower series. But there are some great chapters as this. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.960 The lead characters an older man and he's he's gradually 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.880 developing insomnia where it's like each night he's getting less 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.200 and less sleep. And King does a really great job 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.360 of in these these early chapters, especially really making you 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:23.079 feel the frustration and weariness of someone who is having uh, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.360 who is suffering from insomnia. Yeah, it's grueling, right. Um. So, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.040 I mean I've had it several times in my life 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.120 and I cannot imagine having having it just im perpetuity. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.160 How do you fix it? I mean, eventually my body 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.960 could just got so tired that I, you know, fell asleep. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.800 But it really is one of those things that your 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.319 brain can drive you insane because you're constantly thinking and 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.040 and and and most of the time it's not deep 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.840 thoughts or interesting thing. This is a very Buddhist idea there, 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.920 How's that well, it's constantly thinking, right, and you need 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.480 to be able to clear your mind right, Yeah, yeah, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.320 which is where meditation comes. Right. Um, So let's let's 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.360 talk about something called REM sleep behavior disorder. This is 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.840 something that Dr Shank talked about a lot, and this 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.199 is particularly um interesting because people are acting out their 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.600 aggressions and and oftentimes it can actually be dangerous to partners, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.000 spouses who have to live with someone who has what's 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.480 called an rb D, the rem sleep behavior disorder. And 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.120 it's actually cultural as well. So you can see in 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.520 every different culture there there are going to be examples 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.960 of r b D, and um, those aggressions, these dreams 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.240 that are very violent are going to be playing out 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.920 and whatever sort of cultural story that they're telling. Uh. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.120 We saw a clip again at this panel at the 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.360 World Science Festival of this Japanese man who was having 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.000 a dream about a Samurai sword which he was wielding 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:56.040 around and then plunging into his opponent yuse I guess 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.880 lying in repose on the on the floor, and it 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.240 was this very allowed britt uh movement that he was 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.040 doing that was I mean, you could practically see the 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.920 Samurai sword in his hand. It was that convincing he 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.880 did not actually have a sword. No, no, no, he 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.640 was dreaming about this. Did not let that man sleep 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.320 with the sword, right, And you probably don't want to 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.160 cuddle up next to someone like this, right. Um, You've 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.960 heard plenty of other accounts of I think it was 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.720 my great grandfather, I want to say, um, like he 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.560 had a little of this where he would like start 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.920 kicking and punching his sleep. Or you've heard of accounts 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.920 of people who like strangle somebody in their sleep, you know, yeah, yeah, 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.680 And that's actually it's male dominant this RBD, which is 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.920 interesting and Dr Shank has said that a lot of 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.200 his RBD patients were just mild mannered folks during the day, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.840 really nice people, but they would have these terrifyingly aggressive 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.200 dreams at night and their spouses would say, please help me, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.760 because you know, my my husband tried to come me 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.800 last night. And in fact, there was an example mel Abel, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.320 again mild mannered retiree, who almost strangled his wife Harriet 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.640 to death one night while dreaming that he was finishing 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.120 off a deer that he had just shot in his dream, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.440 and in his dream, the deer would not die, and 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.160 so he took it by the jaw and he started 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.920 to twist it and try to snap its neck and 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.400 that wasn't working, so then he started to strangle the 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.400 deer while the deer was his wife, and his wife 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.040 was screaming, you know, blood curling screams, and thankfully it 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.240 woke him up right before he he almost killed her. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.760 And that's, of course when he went to go seek help. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.760 And all of this is like, it's it's sensational, it's 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.240 it's nuts, but um and I think one one of 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.520 the things that's pointing to is that there are underlying 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.800 factors going on here. And what Dr Shank found is 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:50.600 that of rbd UH disorder sufferers will then convert into 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.640 Parkinson's disease, Yeah, which is crazy. And he thinks that 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.640 this is it's definitely a lot of insight and an 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:04.200 opportunity to have insight into Parkinson's and try to intervene early. Uh. So, 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.400 you know, you think that these things are going on 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.080 your head and that it's just some sort of anomaly. Well, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.640 in fact, you know, there's some sort of physical basis 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.600 uh for your for your your emotions, your mind, your 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.120 body reacting to all of this and playing out you know, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.720 an aggression. So it'll be interesting to see what sort 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:29.080 of extrapolations they make with Parkinson's in rb D. But 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.680 now let's get back to that tub of butter. Oh 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.680 but before we get to that, to a butter Oh yeah, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:41.120 we guess we're take a quick break. This presentation is 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:48.520 brought to you by Intel Sponsors of Tomorrow, and we're 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.560 back tub of butter. Sleep eating. Let's do this all right. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.360 We have a great article on our site called the 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.560 House Sleepwalking More exply Katie Lambert, and uh, you might 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:03.040 associate sleep eating with ambient right right, Yeah, that's typically 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.160 that's the whole story, all these nightmare scenarios where someone 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.560 gets a prescription for ambient and uh, and then all 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.080 their friends him, Oh, well, I I know a friend 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.280 who blah blah blah. They you know, ate a pack 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.840 of cigarettes where they or they got up and they 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.840 cooked dinner or they did something crazy or they saw 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.000 something crazy and then they don't take the ambiance that 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.000 was prescribed to them by a doctor. Well, but Katie's 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.560 article points out that as the drug groom popularity, you 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.760 had more of these instances of sleep eating happening. Interesting fact, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.680 Katie wrote that article while sleep typing and sleep eating 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.199 at the same time. Yeah, and uh. In fact of 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:40.800 this is the first person to count here. And she 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.800 says they ate from tubs of margarine that some of 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.879 the subjects, um, I'm just kidding. Of course, Kati wouldn't 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.720 do that. Uh. And they ate cigarettes and raw meat. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560 And again, what you're seeing, what you're seeing here are 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.119 are hopefully hallmarks of what they would not be doing 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.879 right in daytime activities. And people would wake up with 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.639 rumbs all over the bed and have no idea, you know, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.840 why the crumbs were there. They'd start gaining weight and 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.000 they'd say, I don't understand why I'm gaining weight. Well, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.360 I understand sometimes too, it would be even if they're 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.800 eating something normal, there'd be something abnormal about the way 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.639 they were doing it, Like like there was some account 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.560 where somebody who's doing something weird with their pinky finger 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.639 while eating. Oh yeah, yeah. Dr Schunky talks about that 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.520 and he says that, um, he said he showed a 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.840 video actually in this panel of the woman eating a brownie. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.040 In each bite, she would put her pinky at the 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.359 entrance of her mouth and then she'd nibble at her pinky, 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.960 and she'd do other little weird things while she was eating. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.080 It was it was pretty curious. Um. And of course 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.840 she would never eat that way during the day. Um. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.520 And that was a good indicator that her mind and 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.000 her brain were still in this weird sleep mode. And 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.760 um and and and yet she had this motor activity 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.000 going on. And this is interesting too that that sleep 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.359 eating is usually considered a final common pathway disorder, meaning 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.800 that a variety of other sleep problems could be at 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.880 So you've got sleepwalking, restless leg syndrome, or even sleep apnea, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.920 which the sleep athnia. Is it the same one who 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.600 was punching? No, No, that was I think that was 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.320 the That was his wife's father. Okay, yeah, I was 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.840 gonna say, because that could have that could have been 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.120 what sort of tipped the scale in terms of activity 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.639 at night when he slept he had like an air mask. Okay, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.280 all right. So I mean we do see we see 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.120 these ambient induced sleep eating things, and then we also 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.720 see where it's not ambient induced, it just happens to 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.040 be sort of a byproduct of other sleep disorders. And 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.840 I should I really want to stress. Having gone through 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.120 this with a member of my family. Uh, if your 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.399 doctor prescribes ambient too, you don't listen to all your 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.600 crazy friends about like some encounter they had with somebody 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.159 who had some sort of crazy thing. Listen to your 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.679 doctor for you know, you know you say that, and 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.560 then I'm going to be honest and say to you 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.239 that I'm not necessary. Well, I don't take a lot 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.159 of stuff like that anyway, so it's it's just not 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.639 sort of my thing. But I take medicine when I 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.240 need it, but I don't necessarily seek out sleep aids, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.280 and even though I probably should sometimes, but I do 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.720 have this fear that if you make it sound like 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.520 like rifling through everyone's desk when they go home in 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.880 the evening to look for sleeping No, no, no, I'm 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.239 talking about like if someone if you're prescribed it by 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.000 your doctor. Yes, I know, but you have to understand 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:26.120 that it is. There's just part of of people who say, 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.000 I really don't want to wake up having, you know, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.120 finding myself having a urinated on a policeman after stuffing 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.320 ten donuts into my mouth in the middle of nowhere. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.639 I know nobody wants that. Who wants to bring that 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.800 upon them, even if it happens to like one person 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.600 out of and I'm really hurt that you keep bringing 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.679 this up because that was an isolated incident for me 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.160 to donut and the urination thing on the cop. But 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.640 you say you say that, yeah, but we just did 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.639 a podcast about lying, So how can I how can 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.040 I be sure you just look me straight in the 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.160 eye and said that. I UM. But anyway, so s yes, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.399 sleepingting is definitely one of those. Um that is is 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:09.400 brought on by other disorders, as is sexomnia. Alright, so yeah, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.399 this is the main event. This is I hope people 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.480 I mean, I hope they didn't you didn't fast forward 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.680 to this part, but get to the sexomnia. Yeah, people 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:22.560 with sexomnia tend to be sleepwalkers and have other parasomnias. Again, 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.240 and that makes sense because the locomotive system is activated. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:31.119