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Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks? Presented by

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Speaker 1: Zack's VI's DJ. Bucky back with you here, Buck? How

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Speaker 1: you do man? Man? I'm good. DJ. It's a uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy NFL week with everything that's going on

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Speaker 1: a saria And if you think about center, center plays

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Speaker 1: with two neighbors, you know it always it always has neighbors. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get isolated as much there. So maybe

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Speaker 1: if you slip and you lose a little quickness, you

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Speaker 1: lose a little athleticism, we can still cover that up

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Speaker 1: and we can get by. Whereas off the ball, linebacker,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. If you can't run, if

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Speaker 1: you can't run, you're gonna get crushed in coverage with

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Speaker 1: with these tight ends and backs you're gonna see and

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Speaker 1: some of the coverage responsibilities you would have as an

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Speaker 1: off the ball linebacker. So even though like the nerves center,

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about the nerves center going down the

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Speaker 1: middle of the defense, I think it's maybe that's why

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Speaker 1: the linebacker is a little bit younger, because I think

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Speaker 1: athleticism is is more required at that off the ball

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Speaker 1: linebacker spot than would be say its center a quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've seen that, and we've seen how you can expose

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Speaker 1: the linebacker who is not great in coverage. UM, the guys,

447
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Speaker 1: the athletes on the perimeter, a too fast to cross

448
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Speaker 1: some routes, and the things that offensive coordinators are doing

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Speaker 1: to really isolate and exploit UM matchups. We see that

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Speaker 1: show up. So your point is valid, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's really a good one. You do have to be

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Speaker 1: more athletic when you think about the defense, support of

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Speaker 1: it in the middle of the field, the linebacker, the

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Speaker 1: free safety, because those guys are isolated where you could

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Speaker 1: hide them. And yesteryear because of the run game and

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Speaker 1: they only had a control the tackle tackle box. Now

457
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Speaker 1: the game is so open with empty formations and spread sets.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to play with a slow linebacker. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's interesting to get though on the center thing

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Speaker 1: because now you're talking about getting potentially second and third

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Speaker 1: contracts at that position. So if you have a center

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Speaker 1: that you love in the draft, you know, like you know,

463
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Speaker 1: Minnesota took a guy like Garrett Bradbury, I mean he

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Speaker 1: can be their center for twelve years. You know that

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Speaker 1: that is the long term answer that you plug in there.

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Speaker 1: So if you have a guy you love, not a

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Speaker 1: bad pick in the first round, not a bad pick.

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Speaker 1: And uh, the wonder lick isn't anything and everything, but

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we've always looked for when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the center's less the athletic traits and

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Speaker 1: more the cerebral nature of how they go about their business.

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Speaker 1: And because as you said, they always play with neighbors.

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Speaker 1: I just need them to be smart enough to understand

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Speaker 1: exactly what they're stations are and can they use savvy

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Speaker 1: and craftiness to put themselves in a position to always

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Speaker 1: be able to do it. And I'll say this, I

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Speaker 1: got to that played in college with who play in

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Speaker 1: the league for a long time. Jeff Saturday. Jeff Saturday, Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean he went to the Pro Bowl a number

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Speaker 1: of times. Wasn't the best athlete, wasn't the prototypical center

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Speaker 1: in terms of arm length or whatever. But he was

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Speaker 1: smart and he really understood his game. And as long

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Speaker 1: as he understood his game and what opponents were doing,

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Speaker 1: he was able to play a long time. And so

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Speaker 1: that is a classic example of how those guys can

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Speaker 1: play and play for a long time without having the

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Speaker 1: best physical traits when it comes to playing the position,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Um all right here, before we get to

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Speaker 1: this this interview with Caleb Farley, we are in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the baseball postseason. The Dodgers, as much as

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Speaker 1: it pains me, or well on their way to moving

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Speaker 1: on in the postseason, and I thought, got me thinking

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Speaker 1: about the conversation at what Dave Roberts, their manager, about

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Speaker 1: how they would take on this season. Now, at the

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Speaker 1: time we did the interview, didn't know We're gonna be

496
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic and have a short

497
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Speaker 1: and sixty games sprint for a season. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask him about the disappointment of the previous year

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Speaker 1: and then how you kind of get back on the horse.

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Speaker 1: So I want to just air a little snippet of

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Speaker 1: that conversation how with Dave Roberts. So here you go,

502
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Speaker 1: what is the miuset and the mentality to come from

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Speaker 1: come back from a big disappointment, to steal, get back

504
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Speaker 1: and maybe be able to change the result of the

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Speaker 1: following year. It's not easy. It's not easy. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've managed for four years and uh losing twice in

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Speaker 1: the World Series, Uh, you know, Division Series NLCS, and

508
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Speaker 1: so it's not easy. But I think that, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: something that people don't understand, you know, to go all

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Speaker 1: the way up the mountain and to give everything you

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Speaker 1: have for eight months and you know, to then lose,

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Speaker 1: to then have to have that grit or that you know,

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Speaker 1: intestinal fortune or whatever you want to call it to

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Speaker 1: get back up there individually, collectively to go back up

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Speaker 1: that mountain that is not guaranteed to get to the

516
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Speaker 1: top is not easy. Um. But I think that unfortunately,

517
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Speaker 1: uh blessed with a lot of great coaches, um, front

518
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Speaker 1: office and players. Most important that we were syncd up

519
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Speaker 1: and we've got a tough group of guys and understand

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Speaker 1: that you know, we we we failed in the sense

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Speaker 1: of we didn't we don't have that ring. But I

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Speaker 1: still think that, you know, over the last four years,

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Speaker 1: we've won more baseball games in any team in the

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Speaker 1: big leagues, and I think that there's something to be

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Speaker 1: said for that. But yeah, we're all kind of divine

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Speaker 1: defined by championships and rings, and especially when you're in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles and you've got to deal with Magic Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Who's who's the king of all the rings? So, man,

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Speaker 1: the bar, the bar is certainly high. But but I

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Speaker 1: love that and we're going to get there. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was that was Bucky's asking a great question there of

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Speaker 1: Dave roberts Um. As we stand right now, buck the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers up to nothing on the padres, I get a

534
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Speaker 1: chance to this evening to close out that series. But he's, man,

535
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Speaker 1: what an infinitely likable guy. If you go back and

536
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Speaker 1: listen to that whole interview, you'll or about his football

537
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Speaker 1: background as well. Kind of one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: we want to talk to him about that crossover between

539
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Speaker 1: the sports. Yeah, I think he he uses a bunch

540
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Speaker 1: of different experiences that he had, not only being a

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Speaker 1: baseball player obviously, but being a quarterback in high school

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Speaker 1: and coming up through the ranks. Uh to help him

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Speaker 1: where he is with his team. He talked about climbing

544
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Speaker 1: the mountain and the difficulty and expending so much energy

545
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Speaker 1: and effort to get to that point and falling short.

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Speaker 1: DJ I want to point to the Atlanta Falcons as

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Speaker 1: the example of how it can fall apart when you

548
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: don't close the door, um when you have an opportunity.

549
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Speaker 1: This is a team that was legitimately three minutes away

550
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Speaker 1: from winning the world title, and since that point they're

551
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Speaker 1: falling hard because they really haven't been able to pick

552
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Speaker 1: up the pieces. And so when you look at the Dodgers,

553
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Speaker 1: and the Dodges ability to go to the Series and

554
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Speaker 1: lose to the Series and lose to a championship game

555
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: like that is very very hard to sustain it and

556
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Speaker 1: to go back and lose and like to pick that up.

557
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Speaker 1: Was fortunate enough to go to the Buffalo Bills after

558
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Speaker 1: they went to four straight Super Bowls and lost each

559
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Speaker 1: of those. Like, when you think about that now and

560
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Speaker 1: the difficulty of just getting to one man, what kind

561
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Speaker 1: of resiliency and and and grit and determination do you

562
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Speaker 1: have to be able to kind of continue to get

563
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Speaker 1: back up. It is something that is very very very

564
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Speaker 1: difficult to do and pass off to them for being

565
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Speaker 1: able to do it. But I think it's one of

566
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Speaker 1: the things that we want to see from San Francisco

567
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Speaker 1: forty Niners. How are they going to bounce back from

568
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Speaker 1: their disappointment because they also could taste, um, they could

569
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Speaker 1: taste the champagne, they could feel the confetti about the

570
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: fall on their shoulders, and they lose. How do you

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Speaker 1: get that back when you don't get to fast forward

572
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Speaker 1: and get right back to that spot all over again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting when you you think about how flippantly, and

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Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, will say things like the Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: Jaguars when they lose in the in the a f

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Speaker 1: C Championship Game, don't worry about it. The Jags would

577
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Speaker 1: look at all that young talent. They're gonna be back

578
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: here a year after year after a year. This is

579
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Speaker 1: kind of the beginning of a long run. Didn't happen?

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Speaker 1: You look at the forty Niners. You last year is said, okay, man,

581
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: they almost finished it. Didn't finish it. Um, they'll be

582
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: right back to the class of d NFC all of

583
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: a sudden. Now you get a couple of injuries, you

584
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Speaker 1: have to trade people get trade to force Buckner because

585
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: you can't afford to pay everybody. Now the quarterback gets hurt,

586
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: boasts out. I mean, like all of a sudden that

587
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: what we think is going to be a long sustained run,

588
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. So when you are that deep, when

589
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to close the deal and you don't,

590
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: to me it, it tells you a lot about the

591
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Speaker 1: character and depth of an organization when they can get

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Speaker 1: right back up there and get right back in the

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Speaker 1: fight and get back to where they were. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing because I think the challenge then

595
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: goes to do we keep this team as presently constructed

596
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: and hope that everything is going to fall our way

597
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: all over again? And that is going to be the difference.

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Speaker 1: That way, We're just gonna finish it, our players are

599
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna get better, or do we need to make a

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Speaker 1: move to make us better, um, to give us an

601
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Speaker 1: opportunity to win if we do get another opportunity, And

602
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: we've seen it both ways, and we've seen it fail

603
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: both ways. So there's no um, there's no magic formula.

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Speaker 1: This is this is going to ensure that we get

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Speaker 1: back and make it happen. It is tough. I think

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Speaker 1: the only thing that you can do is when you

607
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: get into that opportunity, the urgency has to be that

608
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Speaker 1: we have to get this because there's no guarantee that

609
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Speaker 1: we're getting back. It's a great point, man. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get to this conversation I had with Virginia

611
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Speaker 1: Tech cornerback Caleb Farley. Again, one of the most talented

612
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: players in the country decide not to play this year. Um,

613
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: but somebody we're gonna be hearing a lot about as

614
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: we marched towards the draft. Here's my conversation with Virginia

615
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Speaker 1: Tech cornerback Caleb Farley. All Right, Caleb, thank you so

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00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: much for taking some time with us today. I guess

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Speaker 1: h My first question for you is, let's let's go

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Speaker 1: back to the decision, um, the decision to UH to

619
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Speaker 1: start the draft process early, to opt out of this season.

620
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Speaker 1: What went into that decision and why did you decide

621
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Speaker 1: to do what you did. I mean, so many factors

622
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: went into this decision't um, but I bet it it

623
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Speaker 1: came down to me basically decided, you know, what was

624
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: best for me talking to my father and I'm just

625
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: seeing how uncertain everything looked for the season, and there

626
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: was just so many speculations I had. I had no

627
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: idea what was going on, and you know, um and

628
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 1: then the risk of my father contracting the virus, all

629
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Speaker 1: my close family members or anything like that. It just

630
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: ended up being a no brainer for me that you know,

631
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Speaker 1: it would be best for me to start preparing for

632
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft and you know, make sure I'm healthy

633
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: and in shape, And it was just a no brainer. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We'll get to what you're doing

635
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: training wise getting ready for the combine. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to you as a player because I

637
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Speaker 1: had I had a lot of fun, uh studying you

638
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: on taping. It actually reminded me a lot of a

639
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: guy was around I was with the Baltimore Ravens was

640
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Chris McAllister, who was just a real big, physical, athletic corner,

641
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: one of one of the best in the league for

642
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: for a period of time there. The thing I loved

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00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: about your your game is just your combination of your

644
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: physicality and your ball skills. And I want to go

645
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: to your kind of football beginning in terms of when

646
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: you when you started playing the position and one of

647
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: the positions you might have played growing up, because to me,

648
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times you have instincts like yours. I

649
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: have an idea that you might have played some other

650
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: positions grow up. Yeah, I definitely always been a football

651
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: player in my whole life, you know, Halloween six years old,

652
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: seven years old, eight years old. I was always a

653
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: football player. So actually it's I never played corner until uh,

654
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Florida State, until my first college game. But I was

655
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: always an offensive dude. Always had an offensive mentality, quarterback,

656
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: running back, like scat back type of type of positions.

657
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: I was always Uh, I used to be a lot

658
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: shorter quicker, and I always had the like um mentality

659
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: and make make a miss and use and use my speed.

660
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: So um it really the defensive side of the ball

661
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: really did not come after to me. And it was

662
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: a huge transition, you know, um bigger than a lot

663
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: of people would think. How did that? How did that

664
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: grow with you? Though? Like in terms of obviously when

665
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you watch you on tape, you look very comfortable and confidence.

666
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: So when did that start to click for it? I

667
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: would say after my freshman year. Um, just working and

668
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: going into the off season. It was kind of different

669
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: because now like I kind of knew what I needed

670
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: to work on UM or different cuts, a different different things,

671
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: and and just the mentality, you know, my whole mentality

672
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: changed on UM. I just got more confident in myself

673
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: and my abilities, and I got more aggressive. I felt older. UM.

674
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I just it just started to come together and click,

675
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: and it was a lot of fun. It was a

676
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun. One of one of the favorite games

677
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: for me to watch with your Miami game, because you

678
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: see a lot of good in there, some all some

679
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: things you can improve on UM. But what what I

680
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: want you to walk me through the red zone interceptions there?

681
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: Walked me through that one? What what? What did you

682
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: remember about that in terms of the coverage you were in,

683
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the leverage and and UM and how you made the

684
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: places you made. I was basically just in man coverage.

685
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: And I actually I actually made probably I guess technically

686
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the wrong decision because his split was so far on

687
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the inside and I aligned even right before the snap,

688
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I stepped inside. But I was thinking, you know, um,

689
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the the guy was guarded, he wasn't really faster than me,

690
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Like he couldn't run away from me, and I didn't

691
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: think he was quicker than me neither, So I expected

692
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: him to go outside just off of his split, but

693
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: I wanted I didn't want him to like give me

694
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: like a move to make me jump inside. So I

695
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of just stepped there right before the snap of

696
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: the ball, and he did what I wanted to do.

697
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: He just declared early. It just made him, It just

698
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: made him declare, and then I just tried to undercut

699
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: it and just try to out quicken with which talking

700
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: to dB coaches and stuff, now, they was telling me,

701
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: why why would you step inside? And I understand that

702
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: that wasn't the right smart decision. Yeah, but you got faith.

703
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: You have faith in your and your juice to be

704
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: able to cover that up. Um, your ability to find

705
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: the ball down the field, Um, what are some of

706
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: the teaching points you've been taught? You do it very

707
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: well of being able to stay in phase, locate and

708
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: play the ball well. C Coach Mitchell was my first

709
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: corners coach, really my only corner coach, um, and he

710
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: used to always I had a problem of playing through

711
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: the hands and not looking back just because I didn't

712
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: want to get beat so bad like I would I

713
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: was sometimes I would panic, could get flustered, so, but

714
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: he did a good job of teaching me how to

715
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: look and lean um, how to how to stay on

716
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: top play top down and and just try to put

717
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: my shoulder and just lean into the receiver and look

718
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: back and find the ball because you know, we got

719
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: to turn into the receiver to it at the top

720
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: of the route. So I think the good dbs are

721
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: able to have are able to locate the ball and

722
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: attacking at his highest point, and like the best dB

723
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: has gotta have good ball skills. Walk me through, walk

724
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: me through the touchdowns in the in that game, you're

725
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: an off coverage, um, you get cross face there. Walking

726
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: me through that and what you kind of learned from

727
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: that from that experience in Miami game Jeff Thomas, ye

728
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it was me being um late in the game,

729
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: late in the game and they was wanted on film.

730
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: They had ran this like bender out like this kind

731
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: of like where he would come in a cut split

732
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: and you would think that he would come back out,

733
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: but he just runs like hard five steps and then

734
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: bank like just like a skinny post type deal. And

735
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: it was Jeff Thomas, you know he quick, So I

736
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: was and I just I don't don't want to give

737
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: up a ball, so I was gonna bite on it.

738
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: And I seen the look the same formation, and I

739
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, man, they're gonna bang. They're gonna try and

740
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: bang this in between my safety, me and my safety,

741
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: and I just I just bit way too much when

742
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 1: he stemmed me. When he stemmed me, in my head,

743
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, he's stemming the cut inside.

744
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: But he was just setting me up and I and

745
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have to bite as much as I did

746
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: with the stem and um, I should have just played

747
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: my leverage. I had a safety sitting in the middle.

748
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I could have stayed on his outside shoulder and just

749
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: opened my hips with him and been there to make

750
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: them play. But he definitely ran, you know, a good route.

751
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: But I think it was more of me in my head,

752
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: like what I was thinking and what I was seeming,

753
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and it kind of just it kind of just shopped

754
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: myself in the foot. Well. I I love listening to

755
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: you talk about the stuff you've seen on on tape.

756
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: Can you walk me kind of through what a week

757
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: was like for you a game week in terms of

758
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: not not what's going on in the facility, you know,

759
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: just like yeah, on your own what's your preparation, Like,

760
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: what what your process as you're getting ready for a

761
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: game during the week. Um, well, I'll start just just

762
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: watching like a wide overview of the teams, um, kind

763
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: of almost like I'm watching it as a fan, just

764
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: trying to see some tennis and he's like third and three,

765
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: thirt and six or whatever whatever the case may be.

766
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Just trying to learn what that offensive coordinated, like how

767
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: he thinks in certain situations, or or who he may

768
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: rely on, who they made trusts on their team. And

769
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: then after that, I just kind of go into deeper,

770
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: deeper analysis of who I'm gonna be guarden some one

771
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of releases that they're doing, what like their mannerisms

772
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: in their route, um, and just trying to really just

773
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: trying to see anything I can see to help me

774
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: or or give me, uh some more like rest on

775
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: the situation, Like just to help me relax and help

776
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: me know that I didn't look for everything that I could. Yeah,

777
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I get information, and information is power on the defense

778
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: the side of the ball. Um, what have you been

779
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: working on in training? What's your area of focus You've

780
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: been trying to get ready? I know it's gotta be weird.

781
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean, knowing that you're this far out from you know,

782
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: from a combine and proteas and all that stuff. How

783
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: are you kind of pasting yourself through that process and

784
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: what are you focusing on? Yeah, since since I haven't

785
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I haven't played dB all my life, I've been installing

786
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: and just installing, installing the fundamentals. Uh, I'm making sure

787
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: of my brain and my feet. I don't cue how

788
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: to move, how to be an efficient mover, you know,

789
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: make sure my steps are UM sharp, man, I've just

790
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: been installing the fundamentals of playing corner and how I

791
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: should be thinking, UM, different coverages, UM, trying to get

792
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: trying to get better route recognition and just seeing formations

793
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: and kind of predicting on what maybe how they might

794
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: try to attack the defense. UM. But basically I'm just lifting,

795
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: trying to stay healthy, UM, stay strong, and UM installed

796
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: all of these basic footwork, UM, like these basic drills

797
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Oh that's great man. Uh. In

798
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: terms of guys you've you've watched her or been a

799
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: fan of, is there any is there any corner in

800
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: particular that you kind of that's your guy that you've

801
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: studied growing up? Um, I mean, I'm a big Jayala

802
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: Ramsey fan. Um, And I know he hasn't been in

803
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: the league long, but I mean he's just a dog.

804
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: Like if if anybody to play corner light, it would

805
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: be Jayla Ramsey because he's he's big, he's long, and

806
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: he just plays with that mentality that you know nobody

807
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: can stop. What's your personality like on the field? Are

808
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: you a talker or you are you? Uh? Are you

809
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: keep quiet out there? You know, I've I've come into

810
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: the game and many different personalities. I guess it's just

811
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: paying my mood. And I guess it depends who we're playing. Um,

812
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: But I usually I usually um show respect, you know

813
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: to my opponents and and play as hard as I

814
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: can while keeping it clean. Um. But then again, and

815
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, we played football. You just never know. You

816
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: just never know how somebody's gonna come at you or anything.

817
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: So I try to I try to talk like on

818
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: the like less sideline. I try not to talk that much,

819
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: but I definitely have gotten into my verbal altercations on

820
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: the field. I like that something sometimes that's needed. Hey,

821
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: what tell to everybody? I know I've been there and

822
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: you've experienced it. But for a lot of people that

823
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: are listening are watching right now, they don't know about

824
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech at night and what that entrance is like

825
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: and what that juice is like. So just kind of

826
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: set the scene for everybody and what that atmosphere is like.

827
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: When you're coming out in the tunnel, we have like

828
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: the seniors names on the wall and like that would

829
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: be shaking and like like it's a stereo system in there.

830
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: And then when you run out, Man, it's just that

831
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: energy just last the whole game, especially if we're having

832
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: a good game or it's a close game or anything

833
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: like that, and energy just last the whole game. Man,

834
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. Oh that's big time. All right, last

835
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: question here, man, you've been very gamos with your time.

836
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Um, when we get to your rookie season. Um,

837
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: but let's fast forward we get to the end of

838
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: your rookie season. For you to say that was a success.

839
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: What needs to happen in your rookie year, that's a

840
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's a damn good question. I need to

841
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: start thinking about that more. But I would say, um,

842
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: after my rookie season, you know, I don't I don't

843
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: really want it to be like a great period, like

844
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: another green period, kind of like my freshman year in college,

845
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: like learning the position. You know, I'm comfortable, I feel

846
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: like I feel like I can I can go play

847
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: the position good to just as good as anybody else.

848
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: So after my rookie season, I would I would love

849
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: to be acknowledged as um, you know, somebody not not

850
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: not to play with. I don't want to say I'm

851
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna have it all together for my rookie season, but

852
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: I would definitely like to be respected by my peers,

853
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, by coaches and um, you know, every time

854
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: I step on the field, you know, I'm trying to

855
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: earn everybody respect. So I'm just gonna go out there

856
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Speaker 1: that's a great answer. Man. I appreciate your time to kill,

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Speaker 1: but that was awesome. I appreciate you well as a

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Speaker 1: fun conversation there with really talented football player and Caleb

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Speaker 1: Farley and um, you know, if you haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: play yet, and you'll you'll learn about him. He'll be

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, one of the top corners taking

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Speaker 1: in the upcoming draft. He six to two or seven pounds, big, physical,

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Speaker 1: being able to recall plays and that Miami game specifically

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Speaker 1: ones that went well and ones that didn't go well.

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Speaker 1: Um showed to me that he's he's serious about his

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Speaker 1: learning and growing as a new player at the position,

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Speaker 1: but impressive, impressive kid. That's one of the things I've

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Speaker 1: loved about our podcast is getting a chance to visit

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Speaker 1: with these guys before anybody else does, you know. Teams

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Speaker 1: getting ready to talk to some of these players, and

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Speaker 1: they'll actually feed me some questions they want me to

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Speaker 1: ask so they can get some answers. So UM, great

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Speaker 1: opportunity to visit with these guys. Hope you guys enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening to Move the

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Speaker 1: Sticks again. You can check out all the Move the

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