Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I miss you.
Speaker 2: I miss you.
Speaker 1: I was it going, Oh my gosh, it's going.
Speaker 3: I'm a mess today.
Speaker 1: I'm a mess every day. So welcome to my podcasting world.
Speaker 2: I miss you so much. How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good. All my muscles are gone. I love them fast.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 4: I honestly, the holiday's hit and I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: sleeping and eating and doing nothing else.
Speaker 3: So it was I needed that.
Speaker 1: You totally needed that. You were, yeah, going hard for
Speaker 1: a long time. I wish I was with you in
Speaker 1: I wish I could give you a hug.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I miss you so much. I
Speaker 3: was so excited to do this.
Speaker 4: I know we tried to do it like in the
Speaker 4: midst of like finale time.
Speaker 3: And it was you had a few things going on.
Speaker 3: It was a bit busy during that season.
Speaker 4: So I'm happy that I'm like also on the other side,
Speaker 4: and I feel like I've regained so many brain cells
Speaker 4: and just like meal capacity to speak.
Speaker 2: So this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is crazy. I mean, you were
Speaker 1: you were literally my first friend I made when I
Speaker 1: joined that cast. Oh and I think, in fact, you
Speaker 1: were the first person I saw but didn't see when
Speaker 1: we had to like no one knew who we were.
Speaker 3: We had to come in. We had our masks, our robes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I said hi to you downstairs, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was saying hi to you because I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was you.
Speaker 2: I know, it wasn't that strange. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: And all I could think. I was like, Okay, it's
Speaker 3: a girl.
Speaker 1: Okay, she sounds youngish. I could see a little bit
Speaker 1: of black hair, so I'm like, okay, who could it be?
Speaker 3: I got nothing. I don't know. I was like, is
Speaker 3: this a singer?
Speaker 1: And then we met and then they threw us right
Speaker 1: into the mix, I mean literally, and we then went.
Speaker 3: To New York.
Speaker 1: We were backstage about to be introduced to the reveal
Speaker 1: of the Dancing with the Stars cast season thirty three,
Speaker 1: and I remember they like, good morning America. They kind
Speaker 1: of had us just like shoved in the back, like
Speaker 1: we were like and we were.
Speaker 2: Like hearted about like sheep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you you and I joked about that,
Speaker 1: which made me feel a little less nervous. I like
Speaker 1: felt I think I almost felt more nervous that morning
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America than my first performance. They were like,
Speaker 1: go here, stand here. When we do this, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go around.
Speaker 2: That was a really intense morning.
Speaker 4: It was very scared, and it just and then it
Speaker 4: was over like the blink of an eye, and.
Speaker 3: And then we like flew back to La like later
Speaker 3: that day or something. It was.
Speaker 2: It was insane and rehearsed.
Speaker 3: The next morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, And I remember we both were like, we're
Speaker 1: not okay that New York trip.
Speaker 3: Oh not okay. I was having to like recover from
Speaker 3: that for the like the next week. Same.
Speaker 4: I was brutal, but but now I remember getting into
Speaker 4: the studio and like those first couple of days it
Speaker 4: was so I like went into it so bright eyed,
Speaker 4: bushy tailed, and I was totally the contestant that was
Speaker 4: like not necessarily there to win, more to make friends.
Speaker 4: And so I was like, I just want to talk
Speaker 4: to everybody, like I just get.
Speaker 2: The note to everyone. And yeah, you were.
Speaker 4: You were like one of the first people that I
Speaker 4: really really felt deeply connected with. And it happened so fast.
Speaker 4: I feel like we just kept seeing each other. We
Speaker 4: may be were like on the same rehearsal schedule, yep.
Speaker 4: And I just remember always seeing you, like in that
Speaker 4: little common area, or like in passing in the hallways,
Speaker 4: or I'd peek my head in during rehearsals, and you
Speaker 4: just like were so bright and bubbly and like sparkly
Speaker 4: and had the best energy.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I feel.
Speaker 4: Really safe with her, Like she's she's very warm and kind,
Speaker 4: and you were just so lovely to me and to everyone.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I felt about you. You became my
Speaker 1: safe place on that show, and so once I was gone,
Speaker 1: I was like, I kind of just want to be
Speaker 1: here every week to like root on Taylor.
Speaker 2: I missed you. I was like, where is my safety?
Speaker 4: I remember we would be up in the skybox and
Speaker 4: I'm like I would just come and give you a hug.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 4: Because if you haven't been in that ballroom, you have
Speaker 4: no idea.
Speaker 2: How terrifying it is.
Speaker 4: It's electrifying and amazing, and the energy is like no other,
Speaker 4: but it's also so much on the body and on
Speaker 4: the brain. It is overwhelming. It's overwhelming. And I just
Speaker 4: remember always like finding you and I was like, crazy,
Speaker 4: I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be able to like pop out
Speaker 1: skybox like every.
Speaker 3: Episode and be like, I'm right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you mind telling this story that you told
Speaker 1: me a Good Morning America that we had met once before.
Speaker 4: Yes, so crazy as a kid, I kind of so
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I danced when I was a kid. I think everybody
Speaker 2: knows that I danced.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I was a little baby.
Speaker 4: And when I was nine years old, I got sent
Speaker 4: in for this like dance audition for this Gap commercial
Speaker 4: with the clothing line Gap, and I booked it. I
Speaker 4: went and filmed it. It was so much fun. It
Speaker 4: was the first like piece of the entertainment industry I
Speaker 4: was ever really exposed to. That was the first time
Speaker 4: I was ever on a set. That was the first
Speaker 4: time i'd ever like really booked a job.
Speaker 2: And yeah, baby.
Speaker 4: Nine year old Chandler, and I remember it kind of
Speaker 4: just blew up randomly.
Speaker 2: I don't even really understand.
Speaker 4: How, but I guess, you know, the Gap holiday commercials
Speaker 4: of that time, early two thousands were the thing, and
Speaker 4: so it was a really great gig in the sense
Speaker 4: that it played on almost every single channel on the hour,
Speaker 4: like constantly, everywhere. It was everywhere and people really started
Speaker 4: to like pick up on it. It was a little
Speaker 4: like song and dance, a little cheer kind of campaign,
Speaker 4: and there's a specific one. I did two commercials I
Speaker 4: think in like an internet spot. It was like a
Speaker 4: whole thing package deal. And I did the one commercial
Speaker 4: called talk to the Moose and it went viral, and
Speaker 4: I mean viral for like early two thousands. It was
Speaker 4: all over YouTube. There were parodies being made. We like God,
Speaker 4: asked to do these like different talk shows. We went
Speaker 4: on Extra TV with Mario Lopez. It was like a
Speaker 4: whole shebang. And one of the things that we were
Speaker 4: asked to do, and this is I'm telling this from
Speaker 4: my like nine year.
Speaker 2: Old perspective, we were asked to go to.
Speaker 4: A very high profile celebrity household and I'm her this.
Speaker 2: Party, who dance?
Speaker 3: Who? It was Tori Spelling, which was crazy.
Speaker 4: So I literally was on this big gap holiday bus.
Speaker 2: It was like decked out.
Speaker 4: I think I have a picture that I can probably
Speaker 4: find and send you if I haven't. And we pulled
Speaker 4: up to this house and we get out and we
Speaker 4: start dancing and cheering and doing our little app holiday
Speaker 4: commercial for Tori Spelling and her family and it was wild,
Speaker 4: and I just remember feeling like so honored. I was like,
Speaker 4: this is a big deal, like this is this is
Speaker 4: a big deal. And then you know, however, many years later,
Speaker 4: it's been you know, a decade and some change.
Speaker 3: We're doing Dancing with the Stars together.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, And yeah, I didn't put two and two
Speaker 1: together until you told me. And I have like a
Speaker 1: photographic memory, so as soon as you told me, I
Speaker 1: could take myself back and I remember you and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I remember where in the driveway it was.
Speaker 3: I remember hugging you. You were so adorable.
Speaker 1: And then it reminded me how much younger you are
Speaker 1: than me, because I feel like we're friends and like.
Speaker 3: We're like equals who we are.
Speaker 1: But then I was like, wow, I knew her when
Speaker 1: she was a baby, and it was and we filmed
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes for my reality show Tory and
Speaker 1: Dean Sweet Hollywood and my daughter what my daughter and
Speaker 1: son were the only babies I had at the time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they were like babies, babies.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's crazy. And my friend Chandler, who
Speaker 1: was a baby, Oh my.
Speaker 3: Gosh, you knew me way back when I knew her.
Speaker 3: When you guys, no, that was really cool.
Speaker 4: And as soon as I heard about your announcement, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, like that' story, but like I performed
Speaker 4: for her, and so I had to tell you.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even wait. It was literally like that morning
Speaker 2: of Good Morning America.
Speaker 3: You guys, like we were.
Speaker 4: Literally standing backstage and I was like, Tori, I have
Speaker 4: a funny story for you. Now.
Speaker 1: I calmed my nerves because I was like, okay, because to.
Speaker 3: Me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I walked into that experience just feeling like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like when I mean, we both know we were
Speaker 1: on teen shows, so you know what it's like when
Speaker 1: you go on to someone else's show and you're like
Speaker 1: that first day and you're like, oh god, you know
Speaker 1: they gonna accept me?
Speaker 3: Because I know what it's like when this new kid
Speaker 3: came onto our show.
Speaker 1: And I always wanted people to feel accepted. That was
Speaker 1: my big thing, and I'm sure you did as well.
Speaker 3: I know you, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was like scary, like are they gonna
Speaker 1: accept me? Are they gonna like me? I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what am I doing? A fifty one
Speaker 1: year old woman and I'm like, I hope my new
Speaker 1: friends like me, Like it was like high school.
Speaker 4: And you were like also the most lovely person ever,
Speaker 4: So it was like you became like the cast favorite.
Speaker 4: I think immediately like we were gonna do like it's
Speaker 4: so funny. I think back to those early days. Do
Speaker 4: you remember talking about like baking and like like we
Speaker 4: had sony plans and then the show just started and
Speaker 4: I was just like bulldozed us and then it was
Speaker 4: I remember that moment clearly, and then I remember the
Speaker 4: finale clearly, and then everything in the middle was like
Speaker 4: a blur.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, it wasn't a blur for me because I
Speaker 1: got to watch you every week from my TV, which
Speaker 1: my seven year old was very grateful, and when he
Speaker 1: had to go back to the finale, he was like,
Speaker 1: but I like watching it at home in bed and
Speaker 1: on our TV.
Speaker 3: Can I just do that?
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, nope, you're going to You're
Speaker 1: gonna see me dance one more time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we talked about baking.
Speaker 1: Yes, what were you gonna make? You were going to
Speaker 1: make your famous something, uh.
Speaker 4: Chocolate chip cookies I think was like the number one make,
Speaker 4: and then we talked cake.
Speaker 3: Like a cake. I remember, yes, yes, because you were like,
Speaker 3: I love Oh. I can't remember what you said.
Speaker 4: I remember we talked about like, oh cake or something
Speaker 4: or almond cake. It'll what did you make or what?
Speaker 4: Like what what was your recipe? We were sharing, like recipe.
Speaker 3: Or was I going to make my wine cake? Now? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeses a wine cake. I was like it
Speaker 4: was like an olive oil cake or an almond cake.
Speaker 1: It was like something like, yeah, and the wine cooks out,
Speaker 1: but it makes it super like moist. And I know
Speaker 1: people hate that word, but when you bake, we use
Speaker 1: moist like it's it's.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a good thing in the bakery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No one wants a dry cake.
Speaker 2: No, yes, I remember talking about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not just like a baker. You're like
Speaker 1: a baker.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's like my favorite pastime.
Speaker 4: I think it's like one of the only things that
Speaker 4: I just do for myself for the joy of it,
Speaker 4: and so I try to, like, I hold onto it
Speaker 4: very tightly because I don't have many hobbies.
Speaker 3: And so it's just something that I do that I.
Speaker 4: Started when I was pretty young, and I just never stopped.
Speaker 4: My friends used to call me like the midnight baker,
Speaker 4: because I would like, at the middle of the night
Speaker 4: was the only time I had to myself to just
Speaker 4: like do whatever I wanted. So yeah, I was probably
Speaker 4: like procrastinating. Like what is it called bedtime revenge? Bedtime procrastination?
Speaker 4: Have you heard of that?
Speaker 3: No? What is that?
Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
Speaker 4: It's basically like this psychological phenomenon that explains why if
Speaker 4: you are a really busy person and you don't feel
Speaker 4: like you have a lot of time to yourself during
Speaker 4: the day, you it's like your way of getting revenge,
Speaker 4: like subconscious revenge on your very busy schedule by staying
Speaker 4: up through the night you know later than you probably
Speaker 4: should to try to reclaim some of that control in
Speaker 4: your day to day life. But you know, in that
Speaker 4: process you are also compromising sleep, which is very important.
Speaker 3: So something I struggled with.
Speaker 1: Full body chills right now, you just describe my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look into it because it's a tough one.
Speaker 4: Like you, I know you get it because you are
Speaker 4: also like one of the busiest people and it's I'm
Speaker 4: sure you're like just doing a million and one things
Speaker 4: throughout the day and then in the quiet of the
Speaker 4: night when everyone goes to bed, no one's calling, no
Speaker 4: one's emailing, no one's you know, asking anything from you.
Speaker 4: You could just like let your shoulders drop and breathe
Speaker 4: and then you know, then it's three am and you're like,
Speaker 4: why am I still up?
Speaker 1: This is so true and people are like, you have
Speaker 1: to just turn your brain off.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, that's when my brain comes alive for me. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: that is wild. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So that time your family would just wake up to
Speaker 1: like all these amazing like truly, Oh.
Speaker 4: I was like two older brothers, and so it was
Speaker 4: kind of the perfect uh situation because I didn't want
Speaker 4: to eat like everything that I made it was like
Speaker 4: far too much for one small girl, and so my
Speaker 4: brother would just come in and like, you know, I
Speaker 4: would be gone the next day. So they were kind
Speaker 4: of my guinea pigs. And then I think that's how
Speaker 4: I got really good at baking.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were really grateful, they were really happy.
Speaker 3: You know I do baking from your mom?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, it was something that we did together
Speaker 4: when I was really young. But then I also kind
Speaker 4: of just like it was it was something that I
Speaker 4: could just do for myself, and so I really kind
Speaker 4: of went on my own little journey with it.
Speaker 3: But do you cook as well? Not so much.
Speaker 1: But you know they say people are either bakers or
Speaker 1: they're cooks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, baking not easy, it's very scientific. I do cook, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually I would say I'm better at cooking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was your favorite thing to cook?
Speaker 1: Ooh I like comfort foods and big things, so lasagna,
Speaker 1: any kind of castle role I can make.
Speaker 3: None of this is kid friendly.
Speaker 1: Him and haw and you know they just want like
Speaker 1: straight up and I'm like, I'm not making plain chicken
Speaker 1: like vegetables.
Speaker 2: So you're like cheffing up in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But I like to try things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love trying things, and I love not see. This
Speaker 1: is where baking and cooking is so different. I love
Speaker 1: to not follow a recipe and kind of put a
Speaker 1: little in.
Speaker 3: Baking is so precise.
Speaker 1: But I think I might have mentioned this to you
Speaker 1: that my daughter, who is now sixteen, started baking when
Speaker 1: she was four and she is incredible. So when I
Speaker 1: heard that you baked, not only do we connect on
Speaker 1: that level, but I was like, oh my gosh. I
Speaker 1: was like Stella and Chandler would just you guys are
Speaker 1: so much alight.
Speaker 2: We need to have a baking party.
Speaker 3: We really do, we really do.
Speaker 2: We did talk about it. We got to do it now.
Speaker 1: I know you and I were both going to bake
Speaker 1: and bring to said and just like that's just like
Speaker 1: way overshooting, Like.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, we had no idea, and this is something
Speaker 4: that I feel like the pros on Dancy with the
Speaker 4: Stars talk a lot about the stars that come in
Speaker 4: don't realize how heavy the workload is.
Speaker 3: You have no idea.
Speaker 4: I think we were like, yeah, this is going to
Speaker 4: be you know, like this is a cute little side quest. No,
Speaker 4: we were in the studio like every day, and that
Speaker 4: was way more intense than I thought it was going
Speaker 4: to be. I was up for the challenge, but it
Speaker 4: was just like I was so taken aback, you know,
Speaker 4: like with with how heavy that workload was.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not when you get the call from your agent.
Speaker 3: It's not what you think, right, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like they make it sound and everyone from
Speaker 1: the top to the bottom to everyone in between is
Speaker 1: the most lovely on Dancing with the Stars, which is
Speaker 1: a testament to why they've been around thirty three seasons,
Speaker 1: predominantly all the same crew, Like people love being there
Speaker 1: and you can tell and while it's a competition show,
Speaker 1: I and you can speak to this as well, having
Speaker 1: done many series, like it was the least competitive set
Speaker 1: I've ever been on, truly, Like it's like wild. But
Speaker 1: people kept saying like, this is true, this is true.
Speaker 1: They're like, but you guys have a really great, kind,
Speaker 1: tight knit cast this season, And it was true. There
Speaker 1: wasn't one person that I was like, ooh, I don't
Speaker 1: know of that person, Like I've stayed in touch with everyone, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's it's It was a great cast.
Speaker 4: It was a really lovely cast. I feel like we
Speaker 4: got so lucky, and I think we all were feeling it.
Speaker 4: And then we would ask everyone and they would confirm like, no,
Speaker 4: you guys are like this is the most drama free,
Speaker 4: Like everyone's bringing good energy, every.
Speaker 3: Special A few yeah, very special. Yeah. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: felt really lucky, really really lucky.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of cast, I my fans will be very
Speaker 1: sad if I don't ask you about all of your series. Okay,
Speaker 1: my fans, I mean my kids, So when I when
Speaker 1: I told the kids, because I didn't know until they
Speaker 1: didn't tell me who was on it. I didn't know
Speaker 1: until we came in to do our first photo shoot
Speaker 1: that day and people walked in and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: who everyone was. I had met a few people at rehearsal,
Speaker 1: but then, you know, it was kind of fun. It
Speaker 1: was like the big reveal. I was like, wow, look
Speaker 1: who's on Oh. But yeah, when I told my kids
Speaker 1: the cast, they freaked out when I said it was you.
Speaker 1: Because my daughter Hattie is a huge fan of zombies
Speaker 1: and a Pretty Little Liar's original sin Oh, she's like
Speaker 1: a huge fan, and I kept like wanting to get
Speaker 1: her to like talk to you more and take pictures,
Speaker 1: and she got super nervous and she'd be all pouty.
Speaker 1: She's a teen, she's thirteen, and she'd like, no, oh, please,
Speaker 1: don't embarrass me. I was like, Chandler's the nicest human ever, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not like that. She did take a picture with
Speaker 1: Bailey at the finale.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all the Pretty Little Liars girls were there
Speaker 4: in full support.
Speaker 3: Dang, Okay, well we'll have to make it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen at the making party.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying that to Hint, like please, you need
Speaker 1: to take a photo with my kid, but you need
Speaker 1: to take a photo with my kids. But yeah, all
Speaker 1: my kids were like Chandler Kenny, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we know her, and all of them were
Speaker 1: like zombies. And then Hattie was like pretty low liars
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were freaking out about that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I feel like we have that in
Speaker 1: common as well, like both started young on teen dramas
Speaker 1: and yeah, how are you how old were you when
Speaker 1: you started?
Speaker 4: Well, so on for Zombies, I was about eighteen years old,
Speaker 4: I think. Okay, And yeah that I mean, that's been
Speaker 4: a whirlwind experience working for Disney's. It really is quite magical.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. It's yeah, and I'm still
Speaker 4: like to this day on twenty four and I like
Speaker 4: getting ready to start promoting the next Zombies movie, Zombies four,
Speaker 4: that comes out, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: When is that coming out?
Speaker 4: It's it doesn't have a release date yet, but it
Speaker 4: definitely is coming in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Okay, we are not going to make the people wait
Speaker 3: too long.
Speaker 2: But it's it's coming. It's coming.
Speaker 4: People will know soon, I think, which I'm stoked about.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be so much fun. It's
Speaker 4: this movie is different than any of the others. It's like,
Speaker 4: I feel like every movie this is literally our fourth
Speaker 4: and so to like to be able to say it's
Speaker 4: it's bigger and better, and which is insane, because every movie.
Speaker 3: Like tops the last.
Speaker 4: So I feel like this one, you know, we shot
Speaker 4: in New Zealand, which was such a crazy experience. Wow,
Speaker 4: whereas the last three filmed in Canada and Toronto, so
Speaker 4: it has a very different feel. Okay, it's quite cinematic.
Speaker 4: It's just also beautiful. The locations look like postcards. It's insane.
Speaker 3: And then we have a lot of new cast members,
Speaker 3: so we're we're so excited. Yeah, ooh, a lot of
Speaker 3: new cast members.
Speaker 4: This movie is kind of like almost a passing of
Speaker 4: the torch, you know, because I feel like the main cast,
Speaker 4: the og cast.
Speaker 3: As we call ourselves, you're aging out.
Speaker 2: We're aging out. You know, it happened.
Speaker 3: Who are these oldies?
Speaker 2: We're twenty but it happens though.
Speaker 4: Oh man, life comes at you quick and so yeah,
Speaker 4: so we're bringing in a new generation.
Speaker 3: Who is smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're smart.
Speaker 4: And they just did that with Descendants as well, which
Speaker 4: is their other big you know, like originally dcom and
Speaker 4: now has moved to the streaming space. But they're at
Speaker 4: that big franchise and they're doing a tour this year.
Speaker 4: It's so exciting, which I may, you know, pop in
Speaker 4: on potentially.
Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see. It was giving me a
Speaker 3: tour girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, put me on around the world.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can do anything. I'm not biased
Speaker 1: because I'm your friend. I really you are magical, but
Speaker 1: your magic like emanates from within, and so yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Feel the same about you, honestly. I think that's why
Speaker 4: we connected so instantaneously.
Speaker 2: Truly.
Speaker 1: Well, then maybe you could give me some tips on
Speaker 1: my career. So you need to find a lane. You
Speaker 1: need to reinvent. Your character on Zombies is Hattie's favorite character,
Speaker 1: and she was super psyched on Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 1: when you did an ode to your character and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she's back, and that.
Speaker 3: Was really really cool.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like being so young and being on
Speaker 1: a teen drama?
Speaker 3: I call it drama? I shouldn't call it a drama.
Speaker 4: I mean I feel yeah, pretty Little Liars definitely teen
Speaker 4: ya drama.
Speaker 3: Zombies it's like it's musical.
Speaker 4: It's musical, they're singing, there's dancing, there's where Kylie and vampires.
Speaker 3: Yeah, zombies.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like my dream life. But both movies
Speaker 1: and your series have been you know, a teen cast
Speaker 1: brought together other kind of exploded everybody. And I just
Speaker 1: wonder your perspective because I don't talk to many people
Speaker 1: that I went through it too, obviously in a different era.
Speaker 1: But it's not easy, yeah, kind of turning into overnight
Speaker 1: stars instantly and navigating that with having a normal life
Speaker 1: and trying to focus on being normal and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're getting all this attention and.
Speaker 3: It's hard. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Different people handle it differently, right, I suppose, But what
Speaker 1: was that like? Did the bond you guys even closer?
Speaker 2: For sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 4: I think I was lucky in the sense that I
Speaker 4: did start really young, and I think that grounded me
Speaker 4: in a sense because I was able to kind of
Speaker 4: find my footing as I was going along and so
Speaker 4: which you know, not all my friends have had that experience.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes you do kind of just land on
Speaker 4: something and it's it blows up and you're suddenly everything
Speaker 4: in your life has changed, which is hard because then
Speaker 4: you have nowhere to go for stability. You know, like
Speaker 4: nothing is the same, so nothing feels comfortable or familiar.
Speaker 4: And I have had a lot of friends like that.
Speaker 4: I think for me, because I started when I was
Speaker 4: about nine years old, I was able to like kind
Speaker 4: of just like climb my way, like I really did
Speaker 4: do the guest star and then the reoccurring and then
Speaker 4: like my first series regular role and like so it
Speaker 4: was it was a build and then by the time
Speaker 4: things really started hitting, you know, on a different level,
Speaker 4: I felt kind of ready for it because I.
Speaker 3: Had, like you're stepping stones, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Had stepping stones.
Speaker 4: I had like acquired some of the tools along the
Speaker 4: way I think to show up and like feel equipped,
Speaker 4: and so that was good. But yeah, I feel like
Speaker 4: not everybody has that experience, and I know, yeah, for you,
Speaker 4: it was probably like I think, because you were how
Speaker 4: you were really young.
Speaker 1: But I had a similar I mean I was born
Speaker 1: into it because my dad, so I always was on sets,
Speaker 1: I always.
Speaker 3: Saw people.
Speaker 1: And I started you know, doing guest appearances whatever.
Speaker 3: It was my nads. But still when I was like.
Speaker 1: Five, yeah, okay, yeah, so so yeah.
Speaker 2: We not like that. That built and then when you
Speaker 2: felt already.
Speaker 4: Hit well I'm really ready, but no ready, there's there's
Speaker 4: no guidebook for any of them.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there should be.
Speaker 2: I thought about it.
Speaker 4: You should write it's niche great, you should write specifically,
Speaker 4: I think for for someone that is moving through just
Speaker 4: I feel like any insane like life.
Speaker 1: Experience, wait, you can apply. It doesn't just have to
Speaker 1: be exactly.
Speaker 4: I feel like so much of what I've learned is
Speaker 4: it applies to life at large, you know, like not
Speaker 4: just this specific experience, because it really is like all.
Speaker 2: The things that I've I've gone through.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, this is something that I think anyone should.
Speaker 3: Know, you know.
Speaker 1: And now there's the new term, well it's not that
Speaker 1: new anymore, but imposter syndrome. Like everyone that's like the
Speaker 1: trendy thing, and I'm just like, I don't, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that applies.
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, I and I still do this.
Speaker 1: I am very trusting because I'm very positive. You know,
Speaker 1: we have lights that shine bright within, and anytime I
Speaker 1: get knocked down, I'm like, Okay, I just keep going
Speaker 1: because I believe like and that energy has gotten me
Speaker 1: through everything. And and so I feel like, in hindsight, though,
Speaker 1: I would have liked to kind of tell my younger self, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just be a little more on it for
Speaker 1: who's there for the right reasons?
Speaker 3: And why do they like you? Is it because? You know?
Speaker 3: Because me, I would just be like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love people like so I was accepting of everyone.
Speaker 1: It was my friends not in the business that would
Speaker 1: stand back and be like, uh no, that one is
Speaker 1: hanging on here because you're a star and they're you know,
Speaker 1: they want.
Speaker 3: Something, And it is challenging.
Speaker 1: When you're a good, kind person, it does change and
Speaker 1: suddenly everyone wants to be around you, and you're like
Speaker 1: hoping it's I was always like, well, it's because I'm
Speaker 1: a good person.
Speaker 3: I'm a nice person. But it's not always.
Speaker 2: That case, not always genuine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at a young age, it's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to navigate suddenly becoming such a huge star and people
Speaker 1: there for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3: Did you ever find that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I think that's that's part of it for sure, And
Speaker 4: I think I have had. I think I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm in the last couple of years, I've just gotten
Speaker 4: to a place where things have maybe settled a little
Speaker 4: bit more. And part of it, I'm like, how much
Speaker 4: of this is the nature of the beast and how
Speaker 4: much of this is like just being like a late teen,
Speaker 4: early twenty, you know, normal experience. And I think it's
Speaker 4: like a little bit of both at times because people
Speaker 4: are just figuring things out. But I do think to
Speaker 4: your point, the job that we do, it does add
Speaker 4: a whole additional layer of confusion, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: and and complication. Yeah, and so I definitely there was
Speaker 4: a time there where I felt like with every new
Speaker 4: project I would book or I would go off to
Speaker 4: film or whatever, I would like lose a friend and like,
Speaker 4: I don't like this correlation between the two things. It was,
Speaker 4: It wasn't It was always like something different. I think
Speaker 4: there were times where people maybe felt like that they
Speaker 4: should be in that position and then that complicated a
Speaker 4: friendship or or maybe you know, I wasn't around enough
Speaker 4: to like show up with whatever their expectation of friendship was.
Speaker 4: And that's when I got really clear. I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I think I have to measure the the
Speaker 4: like my friendships by the quality time that we spend together,
Speaker 4: not the quantity you know, of time that we spend together,
Speaker 4: because the truth of the matter is, I'm not around
Speaker 4: a lot, you know, like we work twelve to fourteen
Speaker 4: hour days sometimes more. We're traveling the world. I mean,
Speaker 4: like the last four years, the only thing I've done,
Speaker 4: the only job I've taken in LA has been dancing
Speaker 4: with the stars.
Speaker 3: Outside of that, I've.
Speaker 4: Been in New Zealand or Toronto in Canada, or New
Speaker 4: York or like anywhere on the East Coast or Georgia
Speaker 4: and anywhere but La, you know, where the majority of
Speaker 4: my friend group is and right, so, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just like I think a lot of it for
Speaker 4: me has been finding people that do have like similar
Speaker 4: definitions of friendship and are okay with you know, not
Speaker 4: always being able to like hang out every weeknight or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I think part of that is just like also
Speaker 4: stepping into adulthood, you know, like you have adult friendships.
Speaker 4: But it's I think to go through those things simultaneously again,
Speaker 4: to bring it back to your point.
Speaker 2: Is really really tough. At a very specific experience.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I've lost friends the same way, like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you never answer your phone.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you didn't return my text. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We had this like we had texted each other and
Speaker 1: you were so busy you couldn't get back to me,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't get back or it was like both.
Speaker 3: I think it was mainly me because you reached out,
Speaker 3: you wrote the nicest thing, and oh, actually no, I
Speaker 3: think you're.
Speaker 1: Like you You sent me the kindest text right after
Speaker 1: I was eliminated and I didn't get back to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but you know what I knew when
Speaker 1: you did get back to me and then.
Speaker 3: I got back to you.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, I was like, oh, she's a true friend,
Speaker 1: because those are the friends that just are like they
Speaker 1: get it. And it's I guess it is a lot
Speaker 1: of being in the industry. I'm good friends with Whitney
Speaker 1: Cummings and she taught me a lot because I'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry, I'm the worst friend.
Speaker 1: I haven't kept in touch and she was like, huh
Speaker 1: uh no, no, no, you're a true friend, like true friends
Speaker 1: always find each other again, and true friends don't judge
Speaker 1: the quantity and quality of the time, sorry, the quantity
Speaker 1: of the time, and don't have memory of like, oh
Speaker 1: you didn't call me back or you didn't check anyone.
Speaker 1: This happened in my life, right, Real friends are just
Speaker 1: there and that's super true.
Speaker 3: I think I love that.
Speaker 4: Also needed to hear that because I feel the same
Speaker 4: way and not everybody feels the same way, and that's
Speaker 4: also okay. I've had to like learn, like that's okay.
Speaker 4: I think just the reality is everybody needs different things
Speaker 4: and you have to find people that you know that
Speaker 4: there is that level of compatibility where you may me
Speaker 4: have that same definition of friendship. And yeah, I felt
Speaker 4: the same way because we were like ships passing for
Speaker 4: a minute and then but I was like, it's all love,
Speaker 4: you know, it's all love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we see each other.
Speaker 2: We know each other.
Speaker 4: There's like, yeah, yeah, I feel very similarly, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: I know we have to go soon.
Speaker 1: But can I bring up an Instagram post that you
Speaker 1: yes talked.
Speaker 3: About It spoke to me in so many ways.
Speaker 1: So you said it was a year of letting love in,
Speaker 1: saying yes, accepting support, running towards fear, living outside of
Speaker 1: my comfort zone and unabashedly following my joy and my dreams.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I couldn't love anymore. I love you?
Speaker 3: Would you be okay?
Speaker 1: It's giving us a hint of what each of those like,
Speaker 1: how did you let love in?
Speaker 3: Are you okay?
Speaker 4: Answering that absolutely, I'm like, let me, I can. I
Speaker 4: know exactly the post, and I like, I can. I
Speaker 4: can look at each one and tell you yeah. So
Speaker 4: letting love in for me was letting people love on me,
Speaker 4: because I think I really try to show up so
Speaker 4: much for the people in my life and support and
Speaker 4: be there and cheer on and and for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: sometimes I don't allow that to be reciprocated. It probably
Speaker 4: if I were to psychoanalyze myself, that's probably my idea,
Speaker 4: my past idea of what strength was, you know. And
Speaker 4: I realized that that was just a disservice to myself,
Speaker 4: you know, like being strong is being vulnerable and letting
Speaker 4: people show up for you and and love on you,
Speaker 4: and that is a beautiful thing. And so I've really
Speaker 4: challenged myself to let the people in my life be
Speaker 4: there for me.
Speaker 3: And did you feel on some level? Sorry?
Speaker 1: I interrupted you, but did you feel on some level
Speaker 1: that you didn't deserve love?
Speaker 4: H I mean maybe maybe somewhere deep down, if I
Speaker 4: were to dig to the.
Speaker 2: Bottom to have a couple, big big dig.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe I think I think this actually ties
Speaker 4: in with the I think the friend conversation of like.
Speaker 2: You know, do I do enough for others?
Speaker 4: Like I feel like, you know, and maybe I've had
Speaker 4: like transactional relationships in my life where I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 4: if I'm not doing one hundred and ten percent, that
Speaker 4: I don't deserve one hundred and ten percent. You know.
Speaker 3: Also, that's not realistic, that's not life.
Speaker 4: Life ebbs and flows, and it goes up and it
Speaker 4: goes down, And I think what's most important is to
Speaker 4: give whatever you can and know and be okay with
Speaker 4: like your capacity because not every day you're going to
Speaker 4: have like one hundred and ten percent to give. But
Speaker 4: and that's okay, Like that that really is okay. And
Speaker 4: that also still means that you deserve all the good things,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's I think that's kind of what
Speaker 4: where that was coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that.
Speaker 4: Was that and then yes, then yes was yeah, being
Speaker 4: open to new experiences.
Speaker 3: I think it's really easy to.
Speaker 4: Let fear win sometimes, but yes, this can be scary,
Speaker 4: and so I yeah, dancing with the Stars was a
Speaker 4: big yes for me, even though I was terrified.
Speaker 1: Now, were you the type that would say no but
Speaker 1: like makeup reasons why it should be no just because
Speaker 1: you were fearful of doing it?
Speaker 2: I always challenged that.
Speaker 4: I think I've been pretty decent with, you know, untangling
Speaker 4: my fear from like really justified reasoning. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's always something that you're ever going to
Speaker 4: have to check in on and like always make sure
Speaker 4: you're doing things for the right reason.
Speaker 3: And I think no is also important as well.
Speaker 4: But but I think you can't avoid the yes just
Speaker 4: because you're afraid, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I agree, What is your biggest fear? Sorry we're
Speaker 1: jumping one because I know supports next, But what a
Speaker 1: fear did you run to? But what is your biggest fear?
Speaker 2: I think my biggest fear is failure, honestly big fear.
Speaker 4: And I think failure is also super important and I've
Speaker 4: had to learn why by failing, And you know, I
Speaker 4: think I think some of my biggest lessons have been
Speaker 4: like what I would have maybe considered to be a failure.
Speaker 4: But even now, looking back at it, I've reframed it
Speaker 4: in a way of like that that was a lesson,
Speaker 4: you know, and that was an opportunity to shift or
Speaker 4: readjust or change or grow. So I don't look at
Speaker 4: them as failures so much anymore. I'm kind of in
Speaker 4: the process of of love reframing that.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, that's I think the fear, you know.
Speaker 4: I think that the biggest fear now is like failure
Speaker 4: and not learning anything from it.
Speaker 3: But there's still a lesson there.
Speaker 2: There's still a lesson there, that's right.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't think you learn it, your body
Speaker 1: holds on to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't believe in regrets.
Speaker 1: And that took me a long time to realize because
Speaker 1: I would always look back and be like, this was
Speaker 1: supposed to be great, and then it was like climbing
Speaker 1: that mountain and slipping back down.
Speaker 3: Why Why?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, It's all part of the journey. Like,
Speaker 1: failures are just part of our journey and it makes
Speaker 1: up who we are. And I wouldn't be me if
Speaker 1: I didn't have those failures along with my successes.
Speaker 3: It's true, It's true. Okay, what support did you need
Speaker 3: to accept.
Speaker 4: Actually, this one was squarely about Dancing with the Stars, really.
Speaker 3: Because I.
Speaker 2: Really do like to do I have in the past.
Speaker 4: This was a big transitional year for me, so you'll
Speaker 4: hear me say a lot like Past Chandler. She Past
Speaker 4: Chandler really liked to do things on her own. I
Speaker 4: think it did make her feel really strong and independent,
Speaker 4: but it also didn't really get her far. And I
Speaker 4: think specifically with Dancing with the Stars, I allowed myself
Speaker 4: to be supported and wrapped in loved love by the.
Speaker 3: People in my life and I needed it.
Speaker 4: You know. It was definitely one of the scariest things
Speaker 4: I'd ever done. I also was like burning my body
Speaker 4: out and like putting it to the ultimate test physically, mentally, emotionally, psychologically,
Speaker 4: and I needed support. And you know, I was also
Speaker 4: driving really far because I'm kind of right outside of
Speaker 4: LA and I ultimately couldn't do that drive anymore. And
Speaker 4: so then I was like literally CouchSurfing, like staying not noticed.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I actually.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if I've talked about this publicly,
Speaker 4: but I was like it was I was doing everything
Speaker 4: in my power to make it work because I was
Speaker 4: it was just not safe for me to be on
Speaker 4: the road after long rehearsal days and we were not
Speaker 4: getting any days off throughout the entire process. I only
Speaker 4: took two days off literally, just too And so I
Speaker 4: I my friends. You know, you have your people in
Speaker 4: your life that are like, oh, let me know if
Speaker 4: you need anything, and sometimes it stops there. And but
Speaker 4: then I was like, you know what, let me let
Speaker 4: these people support me, because I actually do need support.
Speaker 4: And I think even recognizing that I needed support was
Speaker 4: a big step. And then to let people show up
Speaker 4: was huge. And so, yeah, that's huge, look for me,
Speaker 4: or like give me a couch when I'm it was
Speaker 4: like deep in La or West Hollywood, and or just
Speaker 4: call and give me some words of advice or support
Speaker 4: or encouragement. And to really like open myself up to
Speaker 4: receive it was I think a big win for me.
Speaker 1: And lastly, which dream did you follow the hardest?
Speaker 4: I think my heart, which sounds really cheesy, but true
Speaker 4: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: My heart.
Speaker 4: I just like, let I followed the joy, you know,
Speaker 4: And sometimes I think you do have to get kind
Speaker 4: of quiet to like hear it and recognize it in
Speaker 4: your mind and in your body, And it's hard when
Speaker 4: you're a really busy person and you get kind of
Speaker 4: in the grind and you have your goals and so
Speaker 4: you just kind of like put the blinders on and
Speaker 4: you're so focused on what you're doing, and then you
Speaker 4: look up one day and you're like, Wow, it's been
Speaker 4: a year, or it's been you know, however long, and like,
Speaker 4: have I breathed? Have I had moments of joy? Have
Speaker 4: I had moments of connection? And so I really just
Speaker 4: kind of tried to quiet my head a little bit
Speaker 4: and let my heart lead, and it took me to
Speaker 4: some really cool places last year. So I was really grateful. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 1: I wish you could be my therapist, but you have
Speaker 1: enough enough plates are spinning around doing.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Lastly, you are going on tour with Dancing of the Stars.
Speaker 1: Is it March fifteenth?
Speaker 3: You join them?
Speaker 4: Yo? February? Sorry so soon? Oh my gosh, thirteenth. I
Speaker 4: think I should know these dates, but I do two legs,
Speaker 4: so I think my second leg is March fifteenth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going really soon. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been, I've been.
Speaker 1: I'm inundated with the stories because obviously we all follow
Speaker 1: each other and the pros and just watching them every night,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe they do
Speaker 1: this every night. Whoa And now I see Joey's there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and Joey's now do He's thrown in
Speaker 1: there doing it every night? Like wow, this is this
Speaker 1: is crazy. Well, I want to come see one of
Speaker 1: your shows.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 1: You want to bring the kids, bring the kid, you
Speaker 1: can get her photo, yes, yes, and then you stay
Speaker 1: with them your last leg, you stay till last year.
Speaker 3: Is that six? They'll come April fifth or April six? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I should do that. That's the easiest.
Speaker 4: And I think Alona will be there towards the end
Speaker 4: as well, which will be awesome. And yeah, I'm stoked.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never been on tour. I've never like
Speaker 4: lived on a bus. I've never toured the country, so
Speaker 4: you know, I think just the life experience of it
Speaker 4: all is super exciting.
Speaker 3: But also would be on the bus too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the bus looks really fun. You know. I like new experiences.
Speaker 4: Though, I've been meaning to like reach out to Joey
Speaker 4: because they just got Joey and Jenna just got there.
Speaker 3: You know, be like, how is it.
Speaker 1: Steven's been there the whole time time, Steven's like this,
Speaker 1: He's just I thought he was just hosting it.
Speaker 3: I didn't really understand. Oh he's dancing and he's full
Speaker 3: on dancing with the pros. And I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Will tell you.
Speaker 3: I actually so.
Speaker 4: Because we started rehearsal like right after the show ended.
Speaker 4: There was like hardly any break. So that was like
Speaker 4: my December and then that's why I crashed so hard
Speaker 4: during the holidays because I was so tired. But I
Speaker 4: got to see the full finish show obviously, like I
Speaker 4: know my.
Speaker 2: Parts and I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 4: But I saw just like the Stephen Show, and he's
Speaker 4: he's so great in it, and it's funny and it's lively.
Speaker 4: Like honestly, I think it's like fifty percent comedy and
Speaker 4: fifty percent dance.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's gonna be a read.
Speaker 1: I I can pick that up when I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the posts on Instagram and it looks amazing. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: super excited, and I believe everyone can go to ticket
Speaker 1: Master get your tickets. Well, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3: I love you. Gosh.
Speaker 1: I if I could go back, I wish I was
Speaker 1: Chandler Kenney at twenty four.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my gosh, no way.
Speaker 1: You are so wise and you're definitely an old soul.
Speaker 1: And I just was connected to you from the beginning
Speaker 1: and you inspired me.
Speaker 3: On so many levels.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that so I could talk to
Speaker 1: you for hours and I will in off camera camera.
Speaker 2: No, I love you and I feel they love you
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 1: It's I want to make a pineapple upside down cake
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know where that came from, how
Speaker 1: of my I just pulled that out of my brain.
Speaker 2: Hey, sometimes good ideas just they just happen.
Speaker 1: But we'll get in hugs and a pineapple upside down
Speaker 1: cake and I'll see you at the LA Show dancing
Speaker 1: with the stores.
Speaker 4: I love you so so so much, truly.
Speaker 2: This is the best way to spend a morning.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I love you, Love you, hugs and kisses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and I'll see you soon.
Speaker 4: Yes,