1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody, Tuesday edition of The 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We've got a lot 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: to discuss today. We have the update here on four 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Americans kidnapped by the cartels tragically, two were killed, two 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: have been recovered. In this process, we'll tell you about 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: what happened down in Matamoros, Mexico. The cartels are saying 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: a case of mistaken identity of who was targeted here, 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: but we'll have more details for you on that. Plus 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: the terrorism over the weekend. Domestic terrorism, I think that's 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: what you have to call it. When people are throwing 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: flash bangs and rocks and attacking law enforcement terrorism against 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: that Georgia Law Enforcement Training Center. Not a lot of 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: time spent on many of the networks about that Columbia 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: University is ditching the SAT end its entirely, and the 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Act mentioned this yesterday. I wanted to get back to 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: it because I think you're gonna see a whole lot 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: more of it, and also this concept play gonna have 19 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: some fun with us one later in the program of 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: their Minimum Monday. You see this now they've gone from 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: quiet quitting to bare minimum Monday in some offices. This 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: is a millennial or gen Z thing. We can talk 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: about how I think it is highly inadvisable to do this. 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Certainly don't want to go around telling your boss, hey, 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: it's bare minimum Monday. So fortunately we're Tuesday right now, 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: so obviously it's maximum Tuesday. So we shall discuss all 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: of this, but we have to react right now to 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: what we saw last night. Tucker Carlson has the footage 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: thanks to Republican members of the House. He's got the 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: footage of January six. There's thousands and thousands of hours 31 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: of it because obviously a lot of security cameras all 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: over and he's got all this stuff. He's going through it. 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: He put some of it up last night. Here's where 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I am on this clay. My top line. It doesn't 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: change what you or I I would assume think about 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: this situation, because it always seemed to me we knew 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: there was some footage of people walking around, taking photos, 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: taking selfies, talking to police, being escorted by police. There 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: were clearly people who went inside the Capitol who had 40 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: no real ill intent at all. And I think it's 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: even arguable that the people that if you didn't, if 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: you didn't attack a cop or commit vandalism, destroy anything 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: and the cops were waving you through. Is that is 44 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: that trespassing even shouldn't be a crime at all. Yes, 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: and so there's that component of it. But the broader 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: point that I think comes across. You know, I wrote 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: an op ed I don't know, maybe a year, eighteen 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: months ago now, or I said, anybody who calls January 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: six and insurrection is an idiot. And I know those 50 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: are those that's a harsh word, but it's just ridiculous. 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: And that is central to what the Democrats have been 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: saying all along. This was Clay the worst day in 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: our history since nine to eleven, as bad as or 54 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: even worse than Pearl Harbor. This is what people have 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: said members of Congress. It was the worst, biggest threat 56 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: to the country since the Civil War. I mean, that's 57 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: what she said as recently as two months ago. You 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: see that footage last night. You see what Tucker showed 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: of people walking around quietly, calmly, even respectfully. There are 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: some people who pay something was knocked over, they pick 61 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: it up on the ground. And you also see that 62 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: footage of Officer sick Nick, who clearly was not killed 63 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: that day or by actions of protesters that day. And 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: what's what's your sense of I mean, how much more 65 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: egregious can the insurrection lie be? I think? And we 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: got audio which will play in a sect. But to me, 67 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 1: the couple of things that stood out is the QAnon 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: shaman got over four years I believe in prison. And 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: when you watch the video, there was zero threat that 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: he ever posed. Now, if you want to get him 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: on trespassing, if you want to get him on some 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of minor misdemeanor violation, I understand. But this guy 73 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: was just dressed in a way to draw attention and 74 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: became a focal point of the investigation as a result, 75 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the sig nick a lie, the fact that they would 76 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: use his death and argue for years, as Joe Biden 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: does and as many Democrats still do that on January sixth, 78 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: police officers were murdered by these protesters. That helps to 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: fament their idea of this insurrection. It is indefensible. And 80 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I knew when we weren't getting all the full footage 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: released that there was likely going to be exculpatory evidence 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: in terms of how dangerous this actually was. But what 83 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Tucker has already shown us, I think has upset the 84 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: apple cart in a real way. And we've got a 85 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: couple of cuts, Buck, Chuck Schumer has already taken to 86 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: the Senate floor reacting to what is being said and 87 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: what is being shown. I want to make sure I 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: get these right. Here is a portion of Chuck Schumer 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: decrying Tucker Carlson sharing footage from January sixth, And then 90 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll talk about that for a second. 91 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: But then, Buck, he took it a step further. He 92 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: actually called out Fox News and Rupert Murdock and demanded 93 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: that Fox News not air any more footage of January 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: sixth that they have. But first, here's Chuck Schumer on 95 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson. Fox News host Tucker Carlson ran a lengthy 96 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: segment last night arguing the January sixth capital attack was 97 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: not a violent insurrection. By diving deep into the waters 98 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: of conspiracy and cherry picking from thousands of hours of 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: security footage, mister Carlson told the bold faced lie that 100 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the capital attack, which we all saw with our own eyes, 101 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: was somehow not an attack at all. He tried to 102 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: argue it was nothing more than a peaceful sightseeing tour. 103 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a nonviolent demonstration, a perfectly fine and 104 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: appropriate instance of people expressing their opinion. I so many 105 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: others who were here in the Capital, and millions and 106 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: millions of Americans are just furious with Tucker Carlson and 107 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy today. And first of all, he's lying about 108 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: what Tucker. I watched it. You watch he's lying, Tucker 109 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: said and showed that he didn't just talk about the 110 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: footage of people breaking windows, you know, getting getting a 111 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: violent physical with the cops. Now we said getting violent. 112 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Of course, the violence that the protesters in that some 113 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: of and it was a small minority of engaged in 114 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: against Capitol police that had been standing standing a standard 115 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: rather operating procedure for ANTIFA and BLM protests for months 116 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: the summer leading up to this push on the cops. 117 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Throw rocks at them, you know, throw bottles of urine 118 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: at them, blind them with lasers, all things that were 119 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: done routinely, repeatedly, and Democrats said it was about social 120 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: justice and a racial reckoning. So it happens on January six, 121 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: and those people are isis they're they're they're the scum 122 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: of your They're the worst people ever. This is what 123 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: the Democrats tell you. But you also notice Chuck Schumer, 124 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: he's lying to you, He's lying to all of us 125 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: because he says that it was just a walk in 126 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: the park or peaceful. No, he showed that there were 127 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: some people who were getting physical and violent with the police. 128 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: He just also showed all the other people walking around 129 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: the capitol calmly and even respectfully. And then this is 130 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: about isn't an insurrection? This isn't Were there people that 131 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: committed vandalism and was that illegal and a dumb thing 132 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: to do? Yes, a whole lot of other and they 133 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: should be prosecuted. As we've said for a long time, 134 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: regardless of what your politics are, you ever write to 135 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: protest and secret address from the government, as soon as 136 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: you trespass, as soon as you commit an act of violence, 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,119 Speaker 1: you should be arrested, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, 138 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: whatever you are. And that's basically what everybody has said 139 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: that I've heard. Yeah, and the ones that really have 140 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: done so much harm to the system, I think are 141 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats who demand a two tiered system. Of justice, 142 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: meaning that you know, when Democrats do things, when Biden 143 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: voters do things, it's always, oh, we got to think 144 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: of a take a holistic approach to this. When anybody 145 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: who was affiliated with Trump even crosses the line in 146 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,119 Speaker 1: the there are people who were sitting in solitary confinement 147 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: four months for non violent crimes related to January six. 148 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: How can that be justified? How can that be How 149 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: can we think we're a nation that is rooted in 150 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: the rule of law. How many people did that happen to? 151 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Who are at who are at BLM riots? And there 152 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: are a lot of them, and they burned down buildings, 153 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: and they looted stores, and they attacked police and people 154 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: were killed. Only person killed on Jay six an unarmed 155 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: female protester. That it can you imagine, imagine there's one 156 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: of those BLM rights. And I remember I was shocked, 157 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you, I was angry that 158 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: it took Trump as long as it did for him 159 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: to speak out about the madness on the streets. I 160 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: think that there was a little bit of a White 161 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: House asleep at the wheel situation for about six weeks 162 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: in starting in June of twenty twenty. But put that 163 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: aside for a second. He got it, you know, he 164 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: got into it and figured out once they started top 165 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: toppling all the statues and everything, the Trump that we 166 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: know showed up. But Clay, imagine that a police officer 167 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: just pulled his gun out because there was a there 168 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: was a BLM riot going on at a store at 169 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: a building, perfect m federal courthouse in Portland. They were 170 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: throwing firebombs at it. Yeah, what if a cop who 171 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: was trying to hold the line at that fence and 172 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: just pulled out his gun or just shot a shot 173 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pound woman in the neck. Do 174 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: you think that that would have the rest of his life? 175 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: That's right? And also I want to play this cut 176 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: two buck because what's happening here is basically you had 177 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: a one sided prosecution. Right. It's as if the prosecutor 178 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: got access to all the evidence and could only share 179 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: his side. And now the defense is getting an opportunity 180 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: to say, well, let's provide further context for many of 181 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: these videos that have played on Constant Loop, even the 182 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: Josh Holly video where they tried to embarrass him by 183 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: showing him as he was, you know, fleeing the Capitol. Well, 184 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: there's a ton of other people. He was actually at 185 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: the back of a group. We didn't see the earlier 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: part of that video, right, I mean, that's clearly a 187 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: edited video that's designed to share a particular story, and 188 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: you know it's having effect because Schumer, in his speech 189 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: on the Senate floor also demanded that Rupert Murdoch and 190 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: Fox News not allow Tucker Carlson to show any more footage. 191 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Listen to this. To say January six was not violent 192 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: is a lie, A lie, pure and simple. I don't 193 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: think I've ever seen a primetime cable news anchor manipulate 194 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: his viewers the way mister Carlson did last night. I 195 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen an anchor treat the American people, 196 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: an American democracy with such disdain. And he's going to 197 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: come back tonight with another segment. Fox News should tell 198 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: him not to Fox News, Rupert Murdoch tell Carlson not 199 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: to run a second segment of lies. You know it's 200 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: a lie. You've admitted it's a lie. And Speaker McCarthy 201 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: is every bit as culpable as mister Carlson. Speaker McCarthy's 202 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: decision to share security footage with Fox looked like a 203 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: mistake from the very beginning, but after last night, it 204 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: looks like a disaster. So what I love about this is, 205 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: first of all, Schumer is basically doing the promo for 206 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, as are we. I'm sure it's going to 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: be a massively viewed show tonight as it was last night. 208 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: I would wager also the fact I bet Tucker will 209 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: play if I were betting some of this Schumer audio 210 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: and video, because it actually confirms much of the thesis 211 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: under which he is sharing this footage Buck, which is 212 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: Democrats are terrified of you seeing this footage, which further 213 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: contextualizes what happened on that day because it destroys the narrative, 214 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: the one sided prosecutorial narrative of the January six hearings 215 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: where there was again remember no defense attorney. 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Chuck Schumer basically 250 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: doing his best publicity imaginable for the pr for Tucker 251 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: Carlson Show tonight, demanding that Fox News Rupert Murdoch and 252 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: Company not air additional footage from January six. This is 253 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: being treated, of course, on the left wing in this country, 254 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: as a direct assault upon one of the most foundational 255 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: elements of their anti Trump narrative, and so they are 256 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: going after it aggressively and trying to push their story. 257 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: And again, I think the best way to think about 258 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: this is almost as if it's a criminal case and 259 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: the prosecutor and you have the defense attorney, and if 260 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: you have a good prosecutor, after the prosecutor speaks, you're like, man, 261 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: this guy's dead to rights. And then the defense attorney 262 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: gets up and speaks, and you think, well, on the 263 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: other hand, I don't think he did it at all. 264 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where we are. We just haven't 265 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: had a robust defense argument as it pertains to January sixth. 266 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: Then it's got the CNNs of the world a little 267 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: bit rustled. Here's Oliver Darcy talking about, Oh, they're trying 268 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: to rewrite history. Now. What we SATs Allison from Tucker 269 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: is nothing new. He has been trying to sanitize the 270 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: very real violence that we all saw unfold at the 271 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: US Capitol in real time for quite some time now. 272 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I think what's really notable here is that he had 273 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: a very key assist from Kevin McCarthy, someone who was 274 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: at the Capitol on that day, who condemned the violence 275 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: in the immediate wake of that attack, but has since 276 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: tried to get back in the good graces of Trumping 277 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: and the MAGA fan base. And so what's so key 278 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: here is that he helped Tucker Carlson tried to rewrite 279 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: history by giving him this surveillance footage, surveillance footage that 280 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: he denied to actual news organizations. First of all. They 281 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: can't seem to decide whether the argument is, oh, this 282 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: is all stuff that the defense teams had access too, 283 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: so it's nothing new, or why is only Tucker Carlson 284 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: getting access to this, or there's nothing you know, this 285 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: doesn't change anything? Which is it right? And the fact 286 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: that they're trying to tell everybody, you know, they're the 287 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: ones that actually doctor footage, doctor audio. You know, you 288 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: look back at how Democrats play the game with this stuff. 289 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: You know, the Democrats are the ones that do things 290 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: that are gross misrepresentations of fact. And on January sixth, 291 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: he's showing surveillance footage. Yes they can claim it as 292 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: cherry picked all they want. It is footage from cameras 293 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: inside the Capitol on that day. It's the very definition 294 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: of history. What he says, you're trying to rewrite history. 295 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: While writing history is about considering the full context of 296 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: a historic moment. There is no more reliable history than 297 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: watching the footage from inside of the Capitol and giving 298 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: a perspective on January sixth. They're rustled and they're rattled 299 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: because they were not anticipating their narrative being challenged in 300 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: this way. That's why they didn't want this footage out 301 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: in the first place. If you woke up this morning 302 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: you had a better night's sleep, maybe it's time to 303 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: change the pillows. 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Welcome back to clay Anne Buck. 322 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: We had mentioned yesterday the story of the four Americans 323 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: who have been kidnapped by cartel gunmen believed to be 324 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: from the Gulf Cartel, which is the cartel that controls 325 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: the territory in the very southeastern part or if you 326 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: go to southeastern Texas across the border there, it's on 327 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: the Caribbean side of Mexico and adjoining Texas that region. 328 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: So I guess the northeastmost region of Mexico and the 329 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: southeast most region of Texas to put the geography in 330 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: your mind as we talk about this, and tom Olipas, 331 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: which is one of six states where there's currently a 332 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: state department do not go advisory and it's pretty tough 333 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: to get that advisory, meaning has to be really bad 334 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: stuff going on, very a very violent situation those states 335 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: of Mexico. Here's what we know right now. First of all, 336 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: two of four Americans that were kidnapped on Friday have 337 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: been found dead. Two of them have been have been 338 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: recovered alive. We know that they were traveling from South 339 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: Carolina for medical tourism. This is when people either go 340 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: to do a cheaper or a different medical procedure from 341 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: what they would get in the United States. Sometimes people 342 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: do this even to get prescription drugs. So they were 343 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: crossing over for a medical And by the way, we 344 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: have the video up at clayenbuck dot com because this 345 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: was in broad daylight. Cartel gunmen in Matamoros kidnapping these 346 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: four Americans and as we know, two of them have worked. 347 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: Two of them were killed in the midst of what 348 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: seems to have been a cartel There was a cartel shootout. 349 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I think clay is the cartel members shot ot other 350 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: cartel members and then they seize these four Americans. There 351 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: are more details that are coming out, but here's here's 352 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: what is very clear. At this point, you have more 353 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: and more members of Congress talking about treating the narco 354 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: traffickers and the the drug cartels in Mexico as a 355 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: foreign terrorist organization and treating this as a primarily military 356 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: instead of entirely law enforcement threat. Right now, it is 357 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: entirely dealt with by law enforcement means. And Bill Barr, 358 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: the former Attorney General, wrote that op ed in the 359 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal about how we should treat the cartels 360 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: like isis ut putting that aside for a moment. We 361 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: just said last week, this is going to get more violent, 362 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: and it's going to we said it on this show. 363 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: It's going to affect more Americans. I think, unfortunately, that 364 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: is obviously going to be the case going forward. Here 365 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: we are, we've already had two Americans seized and killed. 366 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: And Bill Barr here he is. He was just on 367 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: I think it was Fox last night saying that we 368 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: need to treat the cartels the way we treated the 369 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Islamic State in Iraq and Syria Play three. I think 370 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: we have to deal with this group like we dealt 371 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: with Isis. We have to use every tool. We have 372 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: to use economic, we have to use intelligence assets, military assets, 373 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: and law enforcement, and we have to methodically dismantle these groups. 374 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: And we have to tell the Mexicans they're either coming 375 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: along with us for the ride or step aside. We're 376 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: going to do it by ourselves. But it's I'll tell 377 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: you what's unacceptable, which seems to be, you know, the 378 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: word that they Biden administration trots out when one of 379 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: these outrages occurred. What's unacceptable is the status quo. We 380 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: have to deal with it directly. I think he's right, 381 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and I don't claim to be a sophisticated expert in 382 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: how we deploy American resources to go after the cartels. 383 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: But here is my basic analysis. Mexico can't do anything right. 384 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: They are effectively a narco state. Their government is co opted, 385 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: and you know how those government co options work. They 386 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: might do an occasional raid, but it's basically in concert 387 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: with the cartels. By and large, it's mostly for show. 388 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: It has virtually no impact. So when I read bars 389 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: piece in the Wall Street Journal, it resonated with me. 390 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Trump ended, isis right? I mean, you tell me if 391 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, you would know better. But it doesn't seem 392 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: like Isis has the power, at least based on right now, 393 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: to execute any sort of significant operation that could be 394 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: detrimental to the United States. What Trump did was it 395 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: was brilliant, and he didn't get nearly enough credit for it. 396 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 1: It was brilliant but also somewhat obvious. But others had 397 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: been unwilling to do it before him, and that was 398 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: the people who were over There are military commanders on 399 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: the ground. Did our special forces who have eyes on 400 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: and know what's going on, let them do their jobs. 401 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: Go get them. The order was go get them for ices, 402 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: and it was escalate the air strikes and people on 403 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: the ground work with Kurdish allies, wrap up the bad guys. 404 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: End of story. It worked. I think privately, Buck on 405 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: many levels, Mexico would welcome the United States taking on 406 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: the cartels because then the Mexican government can basically throw 407 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: up their hands and say, this is not us, this 408 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: is the United States. I think it would have to 409 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: be almost entirely a United States based operation. I would 410 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: imagine that we have the intelligence to know where many 411 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: of these narco facilities are operating, that is, where they 412 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: are producing the fentnol that's coming across our borders and 413 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: killing tens of thousands of people. I would think we 414 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: also have the resources at this point to know where 415 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: many high level narco traffickers, that is, the people who 416 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: are running these entities are living, where they dwell, and 417 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: I think we have to do something that they basically 418 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: own the border. And I think this ties in directly 419 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: with border security, because the cartels are now running a 420 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: bigger business smuggling people across our border, taking them to 421 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: the border, and handing them off. They're bigger. The article 422 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: I saw most recently estimated the size of that business 423 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: at thirteen billion dollars for the cartel. Putting that in perspective, 424 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: smuggling people and taking people illegally to our border is 425 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: a bigger business now for the cartel than any pro 426 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: sports league is smuggling to in Mexico. For the cartels, 427 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: is bigger than the NFL for everybody out there, like 428 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: in America. If that's not a holy crap moment. That 429 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: doesn't even consider the drug aspect of this business. So 430 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: the ISIST comparison is also interesting because you had with 431 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: these Alamic state a criminal enterprise operating in a whole 432 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: range of facets. Yeah, there's the terrorism, the military aspect 433 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: of it, and the threat of their continue member that 434 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: at one point we had to send Apache gunships within 435 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: sixty miles of Baghdad to help turn back ISIS fighters. 436 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean ISIS. The blitzkrieg they managed during the Obama 437 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: administration was one of the biggest failures of the Obama 438 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: administration by the way, among many, but there were numerous ways. 439 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: I mean, they were involved in the oil, effectively the 440 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: black market oil business. They were involved in protection rackets, 441 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: they were involved in kidnapping for ransom. They're all these 442 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: different schemes that isis was using to enrich itself. And 443 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: when you're a criminal enterprise and you don't care, there's 444 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: a lot of areas you can go. You see this 445 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: with the mafia, right, Yeah, people think of the mafia 446 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: as depending on what era, right, running numbers and prostitution 447 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: and originally prohibition and then eventually at effectively we just 448 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: became another drug drug distribution enterprise like so many others. 449 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: But Russian mafia, different organized crime groups in America. They'll 450 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: get involved in medicare fraud, they'll get involved in I 451 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: had a friend who's a federal prosecut sorry, a federal 452 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: criminal defendant or yeah, criminal defendant, defense attorney, defense attorney, 453 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking for, who told me about one 454 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: of his clients was involved in a organized crime based 455 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: oil from like cooking oil from different fast food restaurants. Theft, 456 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: which sounds like the most boring thing in the world. 457 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: It was millions and millions of dollars of theft. Right. 458 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: I bring this up because the car, the Mexican drug cartells. 459 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: This didn't get a lot of attention. Just a few 460 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: days ago, the Biden administration was sanctioning a timeshare fraud 461 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: network run by the cartels. They're involved in timeshare fraud, 462 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: they're involved in human trafficking. They're obviously doing billions of 463 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: dollars a year in illegal drug sales that are poisoning 464 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of Americans. Essentially one hundred thousand Americans 465 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: dying each year now from this, but Clay, the criminal 466 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: tentacles of the cartel and the corruption and the payoffs, 467 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: this goes so deep in Mexican society right now. The 468 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: new president came in, was it hugs, hugs not guns, 469 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: or hugs not bullets. That was his approach, the official 470 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: approach for the cartels. Let's be buddies with them. Let's 471 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: not have things be that crazy. You have the Helisco, 472 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, new generation cartel, which was involved in doing 473 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: protection effectively for the sine Loco cartel's broken off. It's 474 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: become ultra violent. So they're a little bit like the 475 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: zetas I think with the golf cartel back in the day. 476 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: Eventually the guys who have all the guns and are 477 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: the muscle go, we don't need you, We'll do this ourselves. 478 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: But this notion we're gonna this fight. I'm just I'm 479 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: trying to this is if we really take this on, 480 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: it's much bigger than I think a lot of people realize. 481 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: That's all I think it's true. But what I would 482 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: just say, we can continue this conversation open phone lines 483 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred two two to eight a two. What I 484 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: would say is if Mexico had avowed terrorist organization that 485 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: had killed a hundred Americans. Right, let's just say that 486 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: it was some sort of Islamic terrorist group that somehow 487 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: had a satellite in Mexico, we would one hundred percent 488 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: go to war to end their ability to inflict harm 489 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: on Americans if they had killed a hundred Americans. The 490 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: Mexican drug trade, the cartels are killing one hundred thousand 491 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Americans every year. Now, I think the biggest challenge we 492 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: go to break. People can think about this is is 493 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: it hydra headed? So like, basically, the demand is so 494 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: substantial for drugs in the United States that it's going 495 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: to exist no matter what. I think. That's the question. Right. 496 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: We thought that people talk about Plan Colombia and the 497 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: effectively stabiliz in Colombia in South America as a place 498 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: where all of this, there's the drug trade is a 499 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: fraction of a small a small piece of what it 500 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: used to be, and it's a relatively you know, relatively 501 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: stable country now relatively it really just moved to Mexico though, 502 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: So to your point, we've never actually eradicated the drug 503 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: trade anywhere in any meaningful way. We've just moved it. 504 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Maybe it will be better to move it out of 505 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: Mexico at least so there's more cost structure associated with 506 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: getting the fentanyl to our country. But this is a big, big, 507 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: big issue that I think is only going to continue 508 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: to get larger. Tax time stressful enough, particularly close to 509 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: the dreaded deadline, but stress can magnify it, especially if 510 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: an identity thief steals your info files a bogus return 511 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: pocket your refund happens more often than you'd think. 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And what's interesting here is Buck certainly Hispanics 538 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: on this side of the border are desperate for border 539 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: security to exist, but as these businesses, and I thought 540 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: you did a good job of talking about how basically, 541 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: if you can make money, the cartels have their finger 542 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: in it in some way. I mean like timeshares might 543 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: sound like the least sexy, least like you know, criminal 544 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: related enterprise out there, and yet the cartels have recognized, hey, 545 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: we can take some of this massive amount of cash 546 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: that we've got and start to roll it into different 547 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: aspects to diversify our business, and frankly probably don't wander 548 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: much of the money that they are getting, which is 549 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: so cash based. And the big question that I have 550 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: is it seems quite clear that increasingly that violence is 551 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: spilling across from the southern border into the United States, 552 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: and that American tourists who are going to Mexico, and 553 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: I bet there's a ton of you listening to us 554 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: right now who are going to be making that trip 555 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: over spring break with your kids, with your grandkids, with 556 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: your families. A lot of you are kind of a 557 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: little bit nervous about even leaving a resort. I mean 558 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: there are guys now showing up on the beach with 559 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: AK forty seven's basically walking around getting involved in gun 560 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: fights as they try to take over the territories. And 561 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: so I think the question is what can be done 562 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: and what are I don't trust Joe Biden to make 563 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: that determination, But if you were advising right now, for instance, 564 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: in the White House, Buck and you came in and 565 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: you said there's four options, is there an option that 566 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: really makes a big difference that the government would be 567 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: committed and able to do with Joe Biden in office? 568 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's I know people. I know what people 569 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: would say. They'd say things like locked down the border, which, okay, 570 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: that could be certainly helpful. But you do have a 571 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: border with you know, there are a lot of people 572 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: in these border towns who are going back and forth. 573 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: People go shopping on the Mexican side. You've got people 574 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: workers coming back and forth. So you need a border 575 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: where the legal entry is possible both ways. And as 576 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: long as you have in a volume of people going 577 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: back and forth, the cartels will find ways to smuggle 578 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: drugs in. So you're not really able to think of 579 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: this as eradication. You're able to think of it more 580 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: as minimization of the drug threat to the greatest degree, 581 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: you know possible. One of the big problems here is 582 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: that their supply chain is much tighter than it used 583 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: to be, because instead of having to deal with being 584 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: out in the jungle and having you know, the farc 585 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: or some other rebel group involved in protection for growing 586 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: the coca plant or growing that, you know, the heroine poppy, 587 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: now it's just that's of chemicals. The State Department actually 588 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: just or a Treasury department rather just a couple of 589 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I think it was, you know, sanction a 590 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: bunch of individuals in Mexico for their involvement in selling 591 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: chemicals to the cartels. It's a three step chemical process. 592 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: If you've seen Breaking Bad, That's exactly what I was 593 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: thinking of all this is what's going on. They've basically 594 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: got Walter White, except they got an army of Walter 595 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: what isn't that his name? Right's right? Yeah, Yeah, They've 596 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: got an army of Heisenberg's. That's what I was trying 597 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: to think of. Making these drugs in these massive labs 598 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: that have all the money, all the funding they could 599 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: ever need. There's no quality control for these drugs, right, 600 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: so people this is one of the reasons people overdose 601 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: so easily on them. But there's so much money to 602 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: be made. They don't have to bring it up from 603 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,959 Speaker 1: Peru or Colombia or or any of that anymore. It's 604 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: right next door. It's being made in labs. Doesn't that 605 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: make the best argument for why we should go after 606 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Mexico Because to your point, I don't think Colombia has 607 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: this same rug industry that they did before. But it 608 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: was way more expensive to get it from Columbia. There's 609 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: no cost virtually in Mexico now. Yeah, well, this is 610 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: why they're making so much money. They control I mean, 611 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: the cartels are vertically integrated now with drug production. The 612 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: submarine book, well, they've they've had submarines for for a 613 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: long time. But how crazy is that submarines, Clay, It's 614 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: not just crazy that they have submarines. They build submarines 615 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: knowing they're probably gonna lose two out of three submarines, 616 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: and the economics of it are such that it is 617 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: still worth it. It was worth it for them to 618 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: fill a sub full of cocaine or Heroin it if 619 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: three go and one gets through, it pays for the 620 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: other subs and then some that's those of the This 621 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: is why it's so hard to fight this on the 622 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: supply side of it, and people say fighting on the 623 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: demand side. Yeah, but that's a top to bottom, all 624 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: hands on deck American societal challenge. So that's a part 625 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,479 Speaker 1: of this too. January six with Julie Ally dex