WEBVTT - "Museums With Slides in Them" w/ Esther Fallick (RE-RELEASE)

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you Who?

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<v Speaker 2>And Happy New Year. Today, we are re releasing one

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<v Speaker 2>of our favorite episodes from this past year with our

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<v Speaker 2>dear friend Esther Phallic, because it was just named one

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<v Speaker 2>of the top comedy moments of the year by Vulture

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<v Speaker 2>in New York Magazine. And to be more specific, it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually something Esther said on the episode that was

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<v Speaker 2>named one of the top comedy moments of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course we are taking credit for it because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're the ones who provided her the platform

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<v Speaker 2>to say, which is actually more important if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you json P Frank for including it in the list,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Vulture as always, and enjoy. Go see Estra

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<v Speaker 2>live in twenty twenty five, go follow her on all platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>Have at Lovely New Year's Eve, and we will be

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<v Speaker 2>back with new episodes starting next week. And if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an incredible show. We can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, podcast starts now. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we were just talking about the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>of Jeremy Strong at some point in the last two

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<v Speaker 2>years saying the word dramaturgically and then everyone suddenly being like,

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is this f sler on about?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've tore into shreds for something.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an actor. That's like if you went to a

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<v Speaker 2>business meeting and someone was like, does anyone have the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, metrics? And you were like, the hell is

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with you? And then you started chasing him with spears.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we value anti intellectualism in this country, so in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also like, what what do you think makes him

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<v Speaker 2>such a good actor. It's the fact that he's insane

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<v Speaker 2>and went to Julliard.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, people were like, no, oh, he's a good actor

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<v Speaker 3>because he's on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you're thinking of Priyanka Chopra.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Not everyone's Pianka Chopra. Do you yes? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think acting is an art?

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<v Speaker 3>Go?

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, the older I get, the more I

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe it's the only art in a in an

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<v Speaker 2>over in an overly media saturated environment where everything is

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<v Speaker 2>mediated and everyone is performing. I am sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>actors were so ahead of their time by being completely

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<v Speaker 2>fake and full of shit, because now that is actually

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing you can do to survive in this economy.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying that even when someone is another kind

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<v Speaker 3>of artist, now they are in a sense an actor

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<v Speaker 3>performing the role of that art.

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<v Speaker 2>Actors are what Internet users are based on.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean. It's like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>writing an email.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in a long tradition that goes back to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Rosetta Stone, Shakespeare. And yes you're not listen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying your email is going to win a Pulitzer.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it weren't for all of that history, you

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<v Speaker 2>could not write an email that said can I have this?

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<v Speaker 1>By eod wow?

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<v Speaker 2>And in this similar way acting, you know, the Stella

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<v Speaker 2>Adler method, Juilliard, Shakespeare, whatever, all of that was needed

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<v Speaker 2>for people to now be like unboxing my fit fat

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<v Speaker 2>fun box, because otherwise how would they know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they wouldn't know how to say that they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>know how to perform tho.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think like in each era, almost there's a

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<v Speaker 2>certain art form that defines that era. I actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>think almost like post war it was visual art. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like painting new ways of seeing whatever. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there have been times in the past where the defining

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<v Speaker 2>art form is writing, sure, and everyone is rallying around

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<v Speaker 2>the new hot book. And I think now the defining

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<v Speaker 2>art form of our era, Unfortunately I'm not saying I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with it is acting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tough for me because I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 3>do value it as an art.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a question for you. Do you value photography

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<v Speaker 1>as an art?

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<v Speaker 2>Great, because that's the other one that defines our era,

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<v Speaker 2>because every when you post a photo of a croissant

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<v Speaker 2>that is basically based on you know, Nan Golden, right.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in a language, you're having a conversation with the past, present,

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<v Speaker 3>in the future. Yeah, exactly, I guess. Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I consider photography and art more so.

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<v Speaker 1>More so than acting. Yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think photography and acting which one is straighter

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<v Speaker 2>and which one's gayer?

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<v Speaker 3>Acting is gayer, photography is straighter. Maybe that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>respect it more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, I think, of course, that's like I get

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where you're coming from, to sort of push back

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<v Speaker 2>on it as an intellectual exercise. Of course, photography is

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<v Speaker 2>so voyeuristic.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know it's sure gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy in the corner, yeah, being like they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that I read. Yeah, but I'm going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>photo of this party and it's gonna have an air

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<v Speaker 2>of mel I'm invisible and ye, and yet I am

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<v Speaker 2>the eye. And then acting is so action based that

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like a guy swinging his stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like that's exactly why it's gay, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a gay guy swing. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I feel like the photographer is such a

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<v Speaker 3>straight like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Moody straight American beauty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't look at me, don't look at me, but

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<v Speaker 3>I need you all to I still need to have

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<v Speaker 3>the highest in status here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Photographers are in cells and they think they are

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the world like correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, whereas actors have no subjectivity and need lines in

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<v Speaker 2>order to even know what to say and to be

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<v Speaker 2>worshiped in a door, worshiped on the door, Polly bisexual

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<v Speaker 2>of course, all right, I think I'm I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>winning me over.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we bring in our guest trained actress and photographer?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that could be an amazing idea. Am I

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<v Speaker 1>am I rushing?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's a shorter intro than.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, then we but we can keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>But I actually think to not bring her in now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be pretty toxic. Okay, can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just feel like, you know, there are other

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<v Speaker 2>intros where we spend fifteen minutes trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where we're debating whether acting or photography is

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<v Speaker 2>gay straight. And the fact that we got there so fast,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, let's celebrate by basically paring a party in

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<v Speaker 2>the form of inviting one more person to our conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's such a beautiful idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, please welcome our friend Estra Phallic.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello. So right off the bat, Esther, what is your

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<v Speaker 1>take on everything that has been said so far? So

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<v Speaker 1>glad you asked, because it's been really hard for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I could sense that I could sense that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're sort of bating you. I'm thinking about words that

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<v Speaker 1>have been in my mind recently. Object and subject.

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<v Speaker 2>The way those two words are on my mind twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four steps.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying because I think what we're

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<v Speaker 1>saying here is is that I think in acting, you're

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<v Speaker 1>insistent upon, you're turning yourself into the object. Yes, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>In photography, no wait, sorry you're sorry, you're the subject,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the subject, no way, No. In photograph photography you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a subject. You're no, no, aren't no. In

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<v Speaker 1>acting you're the object. Way, but you're the subject in

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<v Speaker 1>photography because it's like, but the.

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<v Speaker 2>Photographer is not the subject, his subject is the subject

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<v Speaker 2>or sorry, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The photographer is like like, oh shit, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but but you've opened a door.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've opened a door. I guess I do know.

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<v Speaker 1>Subject an object and object? Okay, so they're not let's

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<v Speaker 1>mutually exclusive. Let's go back to basics. Subject and object.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one to you is straighter and which one is gayer?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean object is gayer? Ye? Right? Because it like

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<v Speaker 1>the way is an object, Like you're like the forum

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<v Speaker 1>being like acted upon. Absolutely, And so that's why phtographer,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's a subject. They're the subject because

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, they're like capturing the object.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a misnomer to call the subject of the

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<v Speaker 2>photograph the subject of the phograph.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're the object.

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<v Speaker 2>Without the photographer, they would just be like a literal

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<v Speaker 2>random person sitting on a stool.

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<v Speaker 1>Right in the middle of a room. Which is why

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<v Speaker 1>it's correct, frankly that we were saying he for a photographer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, because then we were saying she for actor, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because to have agency that's sort of masculine.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this culture, in this culture, why didn't build

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<v Speaker 1>this world? No, have agency? Have not seen one succeed yet?

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<v Speaker 1>And then an.

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<v Speaker 2>Actress, yes, yes, I actually think you know how sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>a serious women actor will say actor, like as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>charlie'ster as an actor. I actually think women should say

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<v Speaker 2>actress and men should also say actress. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see Robert de Niro say, you know, as a young actress,

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<v Speaker 2>I really felt like I already understood what I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that would be so amazing. And then we could

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<v Speaker 1>have five It could be like best exactly best butch

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<v Speaker 1>best yeah, best mask. We're gonna have like best high

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<v Speaker 1>fem performance of the.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love that actually to not not necessarily get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of gender categories, but interpret gender and through a

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<v Speaker 2>more queer lens exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Genitals, get him out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the genitals, get him out of there. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, are you butch? Are you fem im soft butch?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, best supporting bottom. I was going to say, twink, bear, bear,

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<v Speaker 1>and bear is like we're not talking and when you

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<v Speaker 1>say bar, it's not like.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about like a hairy man. Like Judy Dench

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<v Speaker 2>can give a bear performance. She's a good actress, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Judy Dench could give a bear performance. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think Charlee's could give a bear performance. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Hathaway.

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<v Speaker 1>You think Kate Blanchett, she like giving I would performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas I think, here's what I'll say, the whale twink performance,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, tearing up right now, that's so like

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<v Speaker 2>what's on the scale. That's not what it's about the

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<v Speaker 2>performance performances, And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I think Darren Aronofsky frankly was filming it

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<v Speaker 1>like a bar performance, and that is why he that

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<v Speaker 1>is his flaw as a director. In that same moment,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly but but Brendan Fraser, I mean he understood the twink.

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<v Speaker 1>He understood that he brought the twink. Yeah, whoa, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy. Yeah, it's why there's like something salvageable

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<v Speaker 1>about that movie. The first five minutes made me want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw up out of like disgust for how abhorrent

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<v Speaker 1>it was. No, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is actually a completely important movie. And yet I

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<v Speaker 2>am on record of saying I was on a plane

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<v Speaker 2>I watched and I cried.

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<v Speaker 1>I cried. Ya, Wow, I haven't seen the movie yet.

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<v Speaker 2>You know something actually like don't walk. It's very twink

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<v Speaker 2>for something to be abhorrent and yet make you cry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not to really dig so deep.

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<v Speaker 1>Been to this bit that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Run well well, first of all obviously Madam Web, but

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<v Speaker 2>also I was thinking, is you know this episode will

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<v Speaker 2>probably come out around the Oscars? And I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a way to sort of use this new

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<v Speaker 2>vocabulary we have created to think about the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Performance of the year?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Wow, like is Killian Murphy's Oppenheimer performance?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say soft, butch I was gonna say lesbian first? Lesbian? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't even asking No, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not if you think he is doing gay guy performance,

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<v Speaker 2>you literally need to go back to the American Film Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not straight guy either. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>really I mean, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is, is is it? I would say it's

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<v Speaker 2>more soft butch than like IM to me, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you're well, I think you're right. I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>you nailed it. I don't think I have much more

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Like in a soft butch, it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's maybe not it doesn't make good podcast materials.

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<v Speaker 3>Just fully agree with you, but yeah I.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, or honestly, it's it's even giving a little like

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<v Speaker 1>it's frankly giving a little a fab non binary, like

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<v Speaker 1>the poetry.

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<v Speaker 2>Reading one hundred person, you know what I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the little hat, the little hat, yeah, little hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. So you know that that's certainly something for

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<v Speaker 1>your listeners to explore for their as they take this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>That could be a really huge win for representation if

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<v Speaker 2>an a fab non binary performance wins Best Actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I mean that would be so groundbreaking,

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<v Speaker 3>which is also probably why we loved.

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<v Speaker 2>We loved Appenheimer. Yeah, we really loved Uppenheimer.

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<v Speaker 1>We do we stay on up. Okay, So I loved

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<v Speaker 1>the first hour because that's all I saw, because I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it because no one knows how to project film anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was when I saw it, it was like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like moving around, like moving around. Oh wow, so

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<v Speaker 1>I like got my money back and then I just

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<v Speaker 1>like never found another time. Was it in New York City? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well spoiler in Square South.

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<v Speaker 2>Just in terms of as a film, I think it well.

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<v Speaker 1>But he does create a bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>That's complicated because he's he succeeds, but at what cost?

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<v Speaker 1>At what costs? So that's where it's kind of messy

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<v Speaker 1>as a narrative, and that's where we got back into

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<v Speaker 1>soft butch territory.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, is it problematic to say that, like

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<v Speaker 2>that performance is soft butch a fab non binary when

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<v Speaker 2>in facted to someone who.

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<v Speaker 1>Has created so much destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world, Like, are we being are we being

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<v Speaker 2>almost like conservative by being like, oh yeah, Oppenheimer, known.

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<v Speaker 1>For murdering so many people through.

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<v Speaker 2>His inventions, sort of is a transnary.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think we should have a world where

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<v Speaker 3>a non binary can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Back exactly if we can't put them on a pedestal

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<v Speaker 1>like fab non binary people will never cause world.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomb better than mess yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Period. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait I have something. Okay, first two things, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what do we want to say? What Dakota Johnson's performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Madam Web?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well okay, so Estra has not seen Madam Webb yet, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but wants to. So we're not going to be We're

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<v Speaker 2>not mad at her, we're not having seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see it. I haven't seen the Whale, but

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean I can't comment exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, yeah, but unlike the Whale, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Madam Web is a nuanced portrayal of a woman that

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<v Speaker 2>is discovering her powers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's really amazing Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>Webb, I certainly think, and I will try not to

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<v Speaker 2>spoil anything when she becomes Madam Webb with the glasses

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<v Speaker 2>that is high fem.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is a it's specifically thirty something gay

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<v Speaker 3>guy performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's so like, I don't know, like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>so like bored.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the drag race contestant that thinks they're above it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know what about this? Is it bisex

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<v Speaker 1>a woman? Well so that was actually my first thing. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my person yeah, by sexual assists woman. Ye yeah, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>web if you were to come here I try to.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend, I would actually make me lave in the studio.

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<v Speaker 2>There has never been a more cis woman. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think my instinct was to be like, before

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<v Speaker 2>she discovers her powers, it's bisexual cis woman who's in

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<v Speaker 2>denial better sexuality. And then she has her powers and

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<v Speaker 2>that means she's bisexual but still married to a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that was of her whole deal. That that's a

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<v Speaker 3>character where it was like I have powers sort of yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like she never really had powers.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I understand about like her powers is that

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<v Speaker 1>she can see sort of in the future kind of

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<v Speaker 1>and is the sort of tea okay, okay, okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so isn't that a queer narrative, Like when you begin

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<v Speaker 1>to understand your queerness, like suddenly you're like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>can envision a future for myself. Wow, So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>coming out narrative. Yeah, Wow, she couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like she was like her like, yeah, she's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but mother can also be I mean a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things and a lot of things. I mean, she could

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<v Speaker 2>be just like an older lesbian that has a younger

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Daughter daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the character was kind of giving ace in

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<v Speaker 3>a big way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting. Well, she doesn't have a love interest,

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<v Speaker 2>which is key, and she actually has a male best

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<v Speaker 2>friend that is in no way sexual and it's Adam Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna cry. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I think girl being best friends with Adam Scott

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<v Speaker 2>is a little ace.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think so little, isn't it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think Adam Scott, who I am on record,

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<v Speaker 2>is finding hot. And I don't think he himself is

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<v Speaker 2>ace as a person, but I think his energy is ace.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something like safe. Oh the media treats him a yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when I said I found him hot, everyone we

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<v Speaker 2>were with was like almost like to punch me in

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<v Speaker 2>the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, they started they started reving. I was scared. Yeah. Wow, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been I've learned so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the other thing I wanted to talk about, which

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<v Speaker 3>we is maybe boring potentially. I think in the same

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<v Speaker 3>way that Sleigh had its moment of like post post

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<v Speaker 3>irony whatever, I think period is in that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually used to be like, you know, period is

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<v Speaker 3>like like I was almost like I don't say it

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<v Speaker 3>like that's too and now I'm like, there's distance from

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<v Speaker 3>it where it to me is such a funny punctuation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now yeah, and I'm kind of addicted to it, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually feel like like Sleigh and Period were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of some of the first ones that I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I understood really how to say, like you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean and the fact I'm like grieving that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was my madim Web moment, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a future where you could say Sleigh, yes, yes, amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I went to musical theater school and

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<v Speaker 1>not to open a can of worms. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>musical theater school and people were saying, like, Gorge at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, that's tough, and I didn't. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>code to me, Like it was so baffling. I was like, Gorge,

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<v Speaker 1>like how do you say what I mean? But like

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<v Speaker 1>slam Period, I was like, yeah, like that in my body,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that, yeah, and now it's gone, Like how

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<v Speaker 1>do y'all deal with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are certain words I feel actually this

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<v Speaker 2>way about Darling where I keep so many years into

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<v Speaker 2>my life as an out and proud gay man.

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<v Speaker 1>Period, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep being like, maybe this is the time darling will

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<v Speaker 2>stick for me. Like I'll say hello to someone and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hi, darling, and it never sounds correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Never darling. No, I can't say darling.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a different style and lingo. It's like I can't

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<v Speaker 3>do that. You want to be an old gay guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you get a little gray. When I go darling,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes time to turn ripes. Yeah, yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 1>see it for you, absolutely. Yeah. I think if the

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<v Speaker 1>impulse is there, it's because it's there, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't had my Madam web moment of like seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a future in which Darling is your gorge, where you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I see it, I hear it, but it's not for me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like now you can say gorge? No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm feeling actually very like, what's the opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>scene right? Invisible and invisible? Right now? Yeah, it's tough,

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing, ding.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your invisible girl moment rather than is that

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<v Speaker 2>the one from The Incredibles and Visigirl and visis yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's a sort of spectrum between Madam Webbin and

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<v Speaker 2>Visy Girl. Madam web not only are you seen and

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<v Speaker 2>being being seen and seeing, but you can see different

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<v Speaker 2>time periods, different futures, different Oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, girls, all sort of connects, all connects, we all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. What are some words that you say? What

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<v Speaker 1>are some words that I say?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have like a period I have been able

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<v Speaker 3>to say recently because I feel there's enough distance from

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<v Speaker 3>actually saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeahtrict and irony.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think Queen is just grandfather, and we say

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<v Speaker 2>Queen do every time we start a text conversation, it's

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<v Speaker 2>hey Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a classic. I think Queen will never die.

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<v Speaker 1>I long live long. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually had a moment some words I say, So,

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<v Speaker 2>that's such a great question someone we know. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been just Tom posted that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like when sis people say king to him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually thinking about it, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if here's what's going on in my head. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say I'm talking to someone, maybe a trans mask person.

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<v Speaker 2>My instinct is, as with every I call everyone queen,

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<v Speaker 2>So my instinct is to be like, hey Queen. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I will in that microom and catch myself and be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably don't want to be referred to as queen

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<v Speaker 2>and so then I will switch it fast to king.

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<v Speaker 2>But then that actually is worse because it sounds condescending

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<v Speaker 2>and it's you being like, yeah, I'm affirming you, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>affirm in you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow, And I really I had to sit with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost text suggests but that I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna. I was like, I was like, wait, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to start this conversation. I was being very like

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<v Speaker 2>straight woman who learns about issues.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, wow, you really never stopped learning.

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<v Speaker 1>You never stopped learning. I can actually speak to this please.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a good friend of mine who she's a

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<v Speaker 1>sis woman and I'm not going to say who she is,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's been on Broadway. Yeah, it's past. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>who's what's her? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I blinking? Who's now in Sweeney, Sutton and Foster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Sutton Foster. I would love it if I came

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<v Speaker 2>out that Sutton Foster was a huge term.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh honestly, I wouldn't. Okay, I want, I want, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like I know it. So you know a

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway actress, So I know a Broadway actressy, congrats and Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have this she she at one point, like

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<v Speaker 1>early issue in my transition, maybe like six months, she

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<v Speaker 1>was someone who was always like very supportive and you

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<v Speaker 1>know like actually not like people who were like you

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<v Speaker 1>know there on the day I came out and being

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<v Speaker 1>like so proud of my friend years yeah right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. But at one point on the phone, she

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<v Speaker 1>like called me dude, and she was like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. But I didn't feel it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take it as a microaggression or anything like that because

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<v Speaker 1>like I had been friends with her long enough, I

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<v Speaker 1>had seen that she doesn't she had never called me

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<v Speaker 1>dude until I came out as a woman. Wow, she

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<v Speaker 1>calls all of her friends dude. She doesn't call men dude. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is yeah, So like I and I there is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a to bring it back to Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man like six sense, like a Spidey sense, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't speak for everyone. I know when the word

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<v Speaker 1>dude is yeah yeah, my god, Like I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>can I know when someone genering me correctly is like

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive is doing it yeah yeah, just like I mean

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes like my pronouns are she her and I do know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like there's like some days that feel aggressive, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so probably your queen not to I should hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think probably will not read his offense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, what, yes, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing, of course, is like, no one

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be like, wait, queen, so you think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a woman? Right, No one is gonna say that.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know sometimes someone might. Someone might. That's true,

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<v Speaker 1>someone might. Yeah, it's a good point. You never know that, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to a college campus. Can't say, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>so a sense of.

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<v Speaker 2>That part that we have been really well, that part

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<v Speaker 2>I can't pull up.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't but say that, No, boots, boots is complicated.

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Boots is complicated. Boots are complicated. Boots are complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>I was, I'm feeling so insane suddenly whenever, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, there hasn't been a good song about boots

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<v Speaker 3>in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually, this is something I've been feeling in my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not insane. Okay, these bats are made for and

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<v Speaker 1>remember you two put on your boot, on your sexy boots.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is a bad one, but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>rest in this. Maybe will put a boot in your askets.

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<v Speaker 2>So boots have become conservative, Well, I guess we need

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<v Speaker 2>a boots song.

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<v Speaker 1>We need feminist, feminist boots song.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Chapelone should do it. When she does a

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<v Speaker 3>boots song, it'll be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's really insightful. Yeah, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>really insight I could even see an fylkne So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually a little scared that, Like, well, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>might be past the point of Boots song because like

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<v Speaker 1>it reads a little consumerist. Frankly, it's like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to be empowered by this by footwear? Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Empowered by footwear in this economy? I don't think so

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<v Speaker 1>unless it's like, you know, the boots are a symbol,

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<v Speaker 1>the boots are a symbol your armor?

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<v Speaker 2>Or what if it's post ironic and the album is

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<v Speaker 2>literally called Empowered by Footwear and it's about how we

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<v Speaker 2>can never be fulfilled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh wow, it's a commentary that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, Okay, who would release Empowered by Footwear? Because actually,

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>don't think that's chaperone anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I mean. I can imagine like Katy Perry

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<v Speaker 1>trying it's like girl, yeah, come on, that's very change

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the rhythm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very change to the rhythm. Yeah, okay, it's Katy Perry.

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<v Speaker 2>Well she needs she's we've been you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a comeback.

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<v Speaker 3>She could do that or a normal Boot song, or

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 3>she could have a Boot song and it would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a Boots concept album where each song is a

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<v Speaker 2>different take on Boots.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they are saying could be bad. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like those old those those Christmas albums with the Keith Haring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah like that. Wow. Yeah, there's literally no

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<v Speaker 1>good art anymore. Superiod that part.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's actually crazy, it's really crazy. Wait, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to do it first singing because I'm actually so eager to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, But I also have one more thing to

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<v Speaker 3>answer your question of what am I saying now?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have one.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an answer also going hog. I've combined going hog

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<v Speaker 3>wild and going ham into just saying going hog and

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<v Speaker 3>I actually love it.

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<v Speaker 1>You dropped my jaw with that one. Damn. Wow, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. You always have to be inventing. I do

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<v Speaker 1>have one more and okay, I'm trying to use well yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, George, You're really good at it. Thank you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you do it. Subtly it tastefully. I actually do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like if I haven't vocally warmed up, it might not

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<v Speaker 1>because you kind of got a flip a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>The music that was actually a really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of scary.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever see someone with training and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't try.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's let's do a first segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first segment Esther is called straight Shooters, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this segment, we gauge your familiarity with in complicity and

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<v Speaker 2>straight culture by asking you a series of rapid fire

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 2>questions where you have to choose one thing or another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one rule is you can't ask any follow

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<v Speaker 2>up questions about how the game works, and if you do,

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<v Speaker 2>we will get violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah, a lot of threats today. Yeah yeah, well.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, miss congeniality or miss kirstially Miss Kirstiale.

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<v Speaker 2>Bringing a gun to a knife fight or having some

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<v Speaker 2>fun with the wife tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Bringing a gun to a knife fight? Wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Following up circling back or looping you in.

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Holding up, circling back or looping you in circling.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, walk the line by Johnny Cash or you look

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<v Speaker 2>fine except for that rash.

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<v Speaker 1>You look fine, except for that rash.

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<v Speaker 3>Moisturizer or womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, womanizer.

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:25.959
<v Speaker 1>Womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, womanizer.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce going country, or my fiancee is being cunty. My

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 2>fiance is being cunty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, being deflowered or being empowered, And yeah, they're different.

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 1>He's arguing that they're the same. I am not.

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<v Speaker 2>Being deflower our father, who aren't in heaven. Or my

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>mother is fifty seven. My mother is fifty seven. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a performance. I thought that was a really

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<v Speaker 2>good performance. I'm trying to think. So we rank our

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<v Speaker 2>guests from zero to one thousand doves?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know what I'm But here's what I'm dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was an incredib performance. I want to

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>say one thousand doves. Yeah, but I feel like we've

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 3>been so easy on our guests recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've been thinking that too, Like it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's an article today about Michiko ko Kotani,

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times book critic, who used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do this or come up now.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, I have not read this article, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did see the headline and the subs. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the argument is sort of like she used to

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<v Speaker 2>be such a harsh critic and now she's gone soft.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, are we kakutaniing?

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<v Speaker 1>We're kakutaniing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we're we used to be Pitchfork in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and seven and hour Pitchfork in twenty twenty four.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>We're literally Pitchfork in twenty twenty four giving Taylor Swift's.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight eight point two. Yeah yeah, I mean a thousand doves,

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand doves. Okay, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Caught us in our kokutani present day in Michico ko

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<v Speaker 2>kotani Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, because we've been cruel in the past. The past.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>We gave Chris Murphy like a three hundred. Well he

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>needed to do, he needed to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, people think, oh, you know, we're friendly, we see

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<v Speaker 3>each other. Oh oh, they won't give us a tough score.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we will. And I honestly I was ready for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you brought. I was ready for whatever came. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what it's it's I'm gonna survive.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's one thing, if there's a negative thing I

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>could point out in your performance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually the.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Lack of You were so ready and so prepared that

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<v Speaker 2>it almost felt like there was a lack of stakes

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, nothing I will say will make

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>you confused or make you sort of like, you know,

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>like flounder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wow, so you're saying there was no danger.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>It was a little bit like, you know, this is

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:49.959
<v Speaker 2>sort of how I f helt about the movie Past Lives.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>I felt like, yes, I understood what it was trying

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to do, and I thought it was great, and I

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>thought Grittily was great, but it had a bit too

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>tidy of a bow on it where I was like,

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what it's doing and where it's going.

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think potentially you gave a Past Lives performance.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that make you feel? That makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>I have something to work on. I have somebody to

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>work on, and I think that that's really cool. Yeah,

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it is is, you know, Gretely again,

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<v Speaker 2>someone I love, and someone who's performance I loved didn't

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>ultimately get nominated for the Oscar. So I think what

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with is a performance that is critically acclaim

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>that everyone loved, but that didn't make the.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut, and everyone's saying, like, what's her next out? Exactly,

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>what's her next outing? Yeah, and they're looking back and

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>they're like, wait, Gretelee was in that, but this wasn't

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the one.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>It was sort of like Amy Adams and Junebug, like

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that was her first big performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although she sure Wait past lives, now, that's straight culture.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to I have to agree.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And again I'm saying, okay, okay, no, I think it

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>is straight culture, not in a derogatory way, just sort

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of like it really is a quintessentially straight love story

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<v Speaker 2>in a big I So I saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of my first dates with a with

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<v Speaker 1>a previous partner of mine, who of course is non binary,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were no monogamous. Wow, congratulations, thank you so much.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>So we were watching it just being like, why don't

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>they just right just do that?

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like what but I almost appreciate, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>something about the clear cut steaks and limitations of a

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>straight love story that is what makes you know, ancient

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Greek tragedy in Shakespeare so compelling. Yeah, and everyone was

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>just Polly in Romeo and Julia, like, what's the point

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like cell phones.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah almost it's like too many movies would be

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<v Speaker 1>ruined with Paul yea, yeah, we can't. That is true.

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna start having to do everything superiod piece in

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 3>tw thousand and three before you know. Okay, no polyamory,

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>no cell phones. That way the movie can have some steaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm reading I'm reading a book and this is

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>actually a sort of related to this. I'm reading a book.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say who it's by, but it's no, no.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 1>You would know. You wouldn't know, you would know her.

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Jk Rowling.

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>No, no closer to Salaryony than Jake. But honestly, I

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 2>would say, were right down the middle. We can, we can,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll bleep it. Why why do you want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>her private?

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<v Speaker 1>She's a public because I am about to criticize way

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and we all saw the Tina fay Klip got it

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<v Speaker 1>exactly basically.

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<v Speaker 2>In this book, the main character is a mother and

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<v Speaker 2>she has a I believe six year old child, and

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<v Speaker 2>she refers to the child with them pronouns, not because

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the child has like come out as a non binary,

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<v Speaker 2>just because this is a progressive mom who wants.

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<v Speaker 1>To refer to her child in that way the child,

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>which is something that I quite.

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Literally agree with politically, I am on board. And yet

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm reading this book and it I'm so aware of

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>it that I'm like suddenly thinking too much about this

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 2>mom character. I'm like, oh, classicland mom, classic, Like I'm

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 2>unable to see like other elements of her because that

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>is so jarring. And I think that is what the

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 2>polyamory thing and the cell phone thing does to movies.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Wait, wait when you see

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>what what do you mean? Exactly?

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Like like when it's it distracts me when it's the

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 2>like when she's saying like I changed their diaper, it

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 2>takes me a second to be.

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Like oh what, oh right, Oh that's what your right, right.

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.919
<v Speaker 1>And polyamory in a film will take you out. Yeah

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>if it were, Yeah, if it were, you'd be like, okay,

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 1>like we got it on the pulse.

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 3>It would be about like polyamorous race car driver exactly

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 3>like you'd only be able to focus on the poly

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 3>The fact that.

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I think this is what I'm talking like, this one

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 2>is doing all this other stuff that is the actual

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>plot of the book, and I keep like, for one

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>second too long thinking about the which is interesting. Which

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>then I'm like, all right, so I'm conservative little yeah,

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:12.479
<v Speaker 2>or about to be. We're about to be, We're about

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to Maybe I'm having I'm Adam Web moment where I'm like,

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm voting for Santa.

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, maybe we'll take that out.

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's too bad, because I want to do a

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to discuss the film about the polyamorous racecar drivers.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I just think you know, the race car

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>driver and the pit crew is all I think they would. Well,

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it's either like they would win for every time because

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>their love is so strong, so powerful, or they would

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>always lose because they're always making out the race stop kissing.

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>There is such a thing as too much love. Love

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>is love except for a race car. That's the tagline.

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>That's that's there her web next, love is except a

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>race got race car driving?

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Really?

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 2>You know how some things just are like almost too

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>obvious of a commentary, like for everyone to just be

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like eating hot dogs while watching fossil fuels being burned

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and then the cars have like advertisements on them.

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay not but you still like Portland mom, right, now yeah,

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>what also are you do you start turning red with someone?

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I guess what. My child Celiac is having a great time.

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Should we get into the topic. Yes, okay, esther, Yes,

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>what is your topic? And what do you think is

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 1>straight about it? Okay, I'm so excited to be uh

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about this today. I'll tell you what just really

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>quickly one of my rejected topics because I did a

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>heavy vetting process before I arrive here today. Who did

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 1>you vet with yourself? Yeah? I mean just me? Oh

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Now that's Madam Webb to be like having a conversation

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 2>with another version.

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You're literally a projecting yes, yes, okay, and now I've

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that to look forward to. I didn't know that was

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>an element. She can split.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 2>She does it once, she does it once, and honestly

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like not well for now.

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, oh my god. Adam Sandler is certainly like one,

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. But but that's there's what

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>is there to say that hasn't been said? But well

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot actually, and and you know, I'll just leave

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 1>you all with that tease and you know the people.

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>But what I wanted to talk about was museums with

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>slides in them. Right, And so that's how I'm referring

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to this, this sort of catch all phenomenon of museums

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that you know, the first level is these instagram museums.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Museum of ice Cream. Now, there's the Museum of Broadway.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>There's there's like a Blue Museum, Museum of Sex, Museum

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of Sex, right or not you mentioned before. Yeah, So

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>then you start getting into like some of the like

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>nineties like Experience Economy, Ripley's Believe It or Not, the

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Madame Tussau's, all of these like you know, forty second

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Street sort of things that you know, we saw them

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 1>as ghosh then, but now they've been sort of classed

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>up in this way for this certain like millennial uh

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you know email job, yeah, consumer ybsolute, And I'm just like,

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>are you what's so these are your museums. You're afraid

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 1>of culture? Well, you're afraid of history.

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>To be living in New York City and even contemplate

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>going to the Museum of ice Cream. Literally get on

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the train and go to any museum.

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.399
<v Speaker 1>It's so hard because to me, I they seem fun.

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, don't put me.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I just can see how someone feels so lost and lonely,

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 3>that they would find themselves seeking out that culture where

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 3>they would be like, I don't know who or what

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I am and so, and instead of sitting with that

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 3>and trying to look inward, they're like, so, I guess

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go to the using of ice cream,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 3>and well.

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 1>You have a really big heart, you can see it

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that way. Yeah, and I yeah, but what you're giving us,

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is what you're giving us. Don't yuck there? Yum, No,

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I would. I would never ever do that in my life.

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying there's something to me. There's like a

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 3>sadness there, which, sure I don't always feel like pathetic.

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 3>I pick and choose.

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I actually think that there's something there because I think about, like,

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, before I was a woman, I was a

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Disney adult. Oh was that much?

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>So your transition also included letting go of your Disney

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>adult past?

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I mean not that I like, you know,

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I still like kind of I'm a musical

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>theater person. It's like, you know, I still sort of

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>love What can I say? I love magic? Okay, guilty?

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>What is your relationship with Disney? Now? I have to know,

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean my relationship with Disney now is I love

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>musical theater basically, and you know I love the Muppets.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>You love doing a whole New World at karaoke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>But I remember like one time, one time I in college,

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>I was I was in a class my senior year

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.320
<v Speaker 1>called Disney's Lands. I had to write an essay to

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>get in. There were there were like twenty people from

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the school. It was at University of Michigan, and like

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>they wanted one from like all these different majors, all

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:51.879
<v Speaker 1>these different.

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, they got together like an infinity war cast literal

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 2>order to have different perspectives on Disney.

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on specifically the parks. Oh my god. Like there's like,

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you know people that are like business majors, architecture, art history,

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>like musical theater.

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, Like I knew someone who was a religious

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.479
<v Speaker 2>studies major whose thesis was on Disneyland as a religious space.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, there's a mecca and you walk around. I

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>mean it's sort of like, well that's one page. That's

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a really good point and it's a god yeah, Donald

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>is Joe. But yeah, yeah, but like we I mean,

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>as like the culmination of the of the class, we

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>went to Disney World and we like study, we like

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about it and stuff, and I stayed one extra

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>day and I thought it would be kind of cool

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>to be in the parks alone. But it was actually

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the loneliest night of my life.

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you something not shocking to me. I

0:41:55.120 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 2>know that being in Disney World alone, what was your fantasy?

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>You're like, they're going to tap me to be the

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>new Cinderella.

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:10.959
<v Speaker 1>No, literally, I was like, I was like, they're gonna say, hey,

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you with the stars in your eyes, like you know,

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>there's something magical about here.

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're like you can't sing, can you? And then

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 3>you're like' like funny you.

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>But so all this to say, yeah, there is like

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the person who would think that like a museum of

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>ice cream would be like an enriching experience. They're a

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 1>lonely person who doesn't know themselves yet.

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I was able to I think you're also

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>being Optimistice And guess what you're saying it's loneliness. You're

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>saying they don't know themselves yet. What if that's just

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>their personality and it's for good and there's no and

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 2>that just unfortunately there's a certain certain segment of the

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:56.479
<v Speaker 2>population that is museum of ice cream.

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I'm being so empathetic to this

0:42:59.000 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 3>type of person.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I think i'm and I'm not even I'm

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 2>not even like saying I believe this, but I do

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 2>think that is a perspective we're asking. And I also

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 2>think all of this, the conversation we're having now is

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>essentially the conversation that was happening about Trump voters after

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the twenty year.

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 3>To me, it's so To me, it's both. Honestly, it's

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 3>like you're afraid. You're afraid of something. You're afraid of

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 3>looking out of your element. You're afraid of like like

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 3>art museums, but I never taught that in school, Like

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 3>I'll look so stupid there.

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>But you're also the museums like you're I mean, it's

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 1>basically like you're going to like look at these mirrors. Yes,

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>they show you yourself, well if you can handle it,

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly it. And that's exactly it, or is

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it even the opposite?

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:44.839
<v Speaker 2>Is it like the people that think they're so sophisticated

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 2>because they're going to the you know, Art of the

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>America's exhibit. Are they even more looking into a mirror

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>because they're so like obsessed with being sophisticated that anything

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 2>they see will just reflect back to them.

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I am smart. It's like either it's like are they

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>are they wise mad men? Or are they mad wise? Yeah? Yeah, wow, okay, Wow,

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to turn it.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to Okay, I'm trying to turn my perspective

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.240
<v Speaker 3>to be hateful towards these people.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think.

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I think your angle on it is something I hadn't

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>considered before, which is we had these nineties early adds

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>versions of this right right, please believe it or not,

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Madame Justsseau's those are very self evidently lame now, and

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>this is updating that for the Instagram generation, right.

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, those also specifically were like for families in theory,

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 3>it was like, my family's visiting this weird city, and

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 3>so what are we going to do?

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it speaks to a sort of arrested development of

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a certain like, you know, we we don't have houses,

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>right like millennials, like the first generation, you know, all

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the like. So someone like let's you know, a Marnie, right,

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 1>like she's just a perfect I mean truly a perfect character.

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 1>A Marnie who who never really had to look at inward,

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>might still enjoy the things from her youth, having not

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>really grown up, but feel shame about that fact, and

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 1>so look for something that sort of also flatters her aesthetically.

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah interesting. So so yeah, own homes we would not

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:22.919
<v Speaker 1>have if they.

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Turned the Museum of Ice Cream into affordable housing. Yes,

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 2>then everyone will be flocking to the Whitney Biennial. That's

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm saying. That actually does make me have

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 2>thriving culture again. There's something about like it's all about rent.

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>It's all about rent.

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, it's also how it's about what you expect

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 2>out of escapism, because it's like, if you're so miserable

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>in your day to day life, you want Escapism to literally.

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Be like a four D X three D movie that

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>makes you, that beats you into.

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Forgetting George bought us four D X tickets when I

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 3>saw Madam Web it was actually a nightmare.

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Actually that wasn't moving, and I am it's not my fault.

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.359
<v Speaker 3>We're about to have a heart attack because we were

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>in a forty X theater getting sprayed with water and

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 3>wind and being rocked up.

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Webs connecting us. Yeah, talk about the weapon connext to

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 1>them all. Wait, this is when I just are you

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna hold your thought? Wait? Let me remember it? Yes,

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, okay, okay. I saw Avatar The Way of

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Water in screen X, which is the format. There were

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen formats to see Avatar, and this was the

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>one where the like they have like extra screen on

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the sides, so there's screen on three sides of you.

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 1>But the screen on the sides was like rendered soap poorly.

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 1>You looked like a PS two cut scene. Oh no,

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>it looked like a Windows screen saver. And so every

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>time that it like I couldn't take the movie seriously.

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Every time that that happened, Yeah, it is the only time. Surely.

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 2>One of my pet peeves is like leave the film

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>going experience alone one hundred, Like it makes me so upset.

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Actually, this is connected to what we're saying. Yes, well,

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 1>her web connects them all. Well, her web connects them all.

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But so my original point was like, if you

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 2>hate your life, there's no social safety net donald Trump

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 2>is president or honestly, then you are looking you are

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 2>looking for like extreme forms of escapism. Whereas if you

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>have everything you need, you're living in Denmark, then you

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:27.400
<v Speaker 2>actually have the space to interpret a painting because you

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>have the peace of mind where you don't need to

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.919
<v Speaker 2>actually be like pulverized into submission in order to enjoy

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 2>a movie.

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, not that there's not value in being pulverized. Yes, well,

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>of course, yes, so I actually have Yes, I think

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>that's but I also think that there's like there's even

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>when things are going like well, quote unquote, I think

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 1>we've we've in America, we've like maybe since the eighties, right,

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it all goes back to Reagan's web connects assault this. Yeah,

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>what like in the nineties, there was like a sense

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 1>of there was there was this like growing wealth, right,

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that that Hunter S. Thompson article about

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 1>like what like after nine to eleven. You know, like

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna look at the nineties as this big party,

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>but there was this like decay beginning, and we had

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like a sense of that. So we would say around

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the Lewinsky scandal. Yes, and it makes me think of

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>have you all seen snow Pier, sir, Yes, I've seen it.

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Finally a movie that I've seen. I just keep thinking

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>about like the the like the like decadence of like

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the second train, right, it's a little bit of that.

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like there's like this party going on wanting to ignore. Oh,

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I see what you're saying. You like the decay happening?

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as the So the Museum of ice Cream is

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that party in this it's the party. It's people with

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the email job, it's people with the email oh got

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it themselves?

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? By being in a ballpit.

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:17.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't see the wrong hole? Yeah happening all yeah, yeah.

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Which is so interesting because my instinct is that not

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 2>to say the obvious that is the rot. Like when

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at this dirty, disgusting ballpit and there are

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 2>people that are fully twenty nine years old that are

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 2>like almost drowning because they want photos of themselves with

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 2>oversized sprinkles, You're like, well, if.

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>That is not the rock, then what is?

0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 3>And that went back to the object in subjects right, Yeah, yeah,

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 3>if that is not the rock, then what is?

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, is the rot like the object? Or

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>like to signify it? Yes, you know, no, no, I

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 1>think like does that signal the rot? Or is it

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the rot? Right? Yes? Is it?

0:49:58.360 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Or?

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Also like is it a symptom of the or is

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>it the rot itself? Right? I guess it is a symptom.

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 1>You can't argue that the Museum of ice Cream is the.

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Rod starts if I was like, well, because of ice

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 2>cream came first, and then Trump is like because specifically

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:13.720
<v Speaker 2>the ice cream.

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:16.240
<v Speaker 1>No, no, it was twenty nine rooms. Yeah, then Trump.

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Well the other thing is okay, So you're talking about Disneyland, right, Listen.

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 2>We all have our issues with Disney, Disney or whatever,

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 2>but at the very least Disneyland is based on beloved

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 2>characters that all do.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Come from true master works.

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Like sure, when you look at old Mickey Mouse cartoons,

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.760
<v Speaker 2>when you watch Disney movies that we grew up with, whatever,

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>there is a there there there is to go to

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the signified signifier. There is a signified. The signified is

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 2>these beloved characters. Yes, I think with the Museum of

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>ice Cream there is no signified. You go in and

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just a general positive vibes. There's nothing that it

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>reminds you of. There's nothing that it is like pointing to.

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even really remind you of your childhood because

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not like your going to six Flags or something.

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.480
<v Speaker 2>There is nothing that it is signifying. It's just like,

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 2>please look at these colors and don't ask questions.

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's again I think that's the sadness of it,

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 3>where it's these people that like want to go, they

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 3>want to do something fun, they have a goal, and

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 3>they're like, i've seen pictures from this, I hope it's fun.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 3>And they get there and they're like, oh, it's just empty,

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.919
<v Speaker 3>like it's just colors. But they don't there. I don't

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 3>know if they're disappointed. I don't know if they're thinking, oh,

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 3>it's just empty, Like are they getting that far? Yeah,

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I have to even if they don't know, I'm empty

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 3>because of this, I feel like there's a sadness when

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 3>they leave, Like I have to to think there's a

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 3>sadness because even they'll post the picture. Of course, you went,

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 3>you paid the entry for You're going to post the

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.320
<v Speaker 3>picture in the sprinkles and then you're like checking it

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:49.919
<v Speaker 3>for likes and you're like is it good enough?

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, And that's so sad.

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 2>There's also something about I think one of the darkest

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>parts of our culture is the rise of half humor,

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>which is when something gestures it being funny without actually

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 2>being funny. And I think Museum of Sex, Museum of

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 2>ice cream, all of these things are semi ironic but

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 2>don't have the courage to be either fully ironic or

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 2>fully earnest. And I think that is actually talk about

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 2>signs of rod. Yeah, I do think it's like, at

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 2>least if you're going to a museum and going to

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a truly like a Dega exhibition, okay, that is fully earnest.

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>You are like I am seeing this great painter and

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I am seeing just NonStop photos of ballerinas. Then on

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the other side of things, what's something like completely like

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 2>if you're going, like ironically to a water park, that

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 2>is like fully you're having fun with You're ironic.

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>That's not rot, is not rock. This is no, no, no.

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Museum of ice cream is like not being able to

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>commit to one or the other. Right, it's shame.

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>It's honestly it's a cultures fair and it's honestly wanting

0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to like dissociate a little bit, like to just be like, well,

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>here we're all ice cream.

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Yeah, that's really dark because what like

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 1>what it's like, why do they call it a museum? Well,

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and there you go, you know what I mean, Like,

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>why do they have to be like and look, if

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.279
<v Speaker 1>it were a museum, that's a different story. If there

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>were like installations about like that'd be that could be

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting, like the history of ice cream. You know,

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't want to know? I mean, you know, yeah,

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's storied. I mean, so at least one

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 1>good room.

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 2>At least one good room, the first lactose in tolerant

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 2>girl who started farting after eating.

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, but like this is like they have to

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>say that it's a museum so that these people who

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.839
<v Speaker 1>are like a shame to just have fun, who are

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>like ashamed of like of like of maybe not reaching

0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>like certain like milestones that they feel they should have

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:05.439
<v Speaker 1>reached by now they they still it's like the air

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of culture.

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, they have to call it a museum because they're

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:11.879
<v Speaker 2>afraid to call it a church. Oh honey, well yes,

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 2>because what we're actually missing is non commodified spaces for

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.799
<v Speaker 2>people to congregate. And we all know this and we're

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>getting and what we haven't said the Museum of ice cream.

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this goes back to Reagan, of course, goes well,

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>this goes back to Reagan. It was the Museum of

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.600
<v Speaker 2>ice Cream was Reagan's last idea, and then he died.

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 2>He was fully he had full on dementia. He was

0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>on his deathbed.

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Nancy was giving him one last BJ and then he

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 1>was like and he was like a museum with no art.

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.640
<v Speaker 3>The way that you just described the Museum of ice Cream,

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.359
<v Speaker 3>it reminds me of an event I went to once

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that also filled me with sadness.

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.640
<v Speaker 1>That was at a bar during the day and it

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, you take the sa t excuse me, you take.

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:01.320
<v Speaker 3>The SAT as a joke and like see what score

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 3>you got? And I went and they had like performed

0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 3>I was like performing on it. They would like be

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 3>like performance breaks and I was just like.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>This is shocking. Was it a caveat? Of course? It was,

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. And it was just like what a read.

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 2>And guess what you don't because they need to know. Yeah,

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.879
<v Speaker 2>there are people out there going to take the sads recreationally.

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It was just like you have to move on.

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 3>You are like still so proud of yourself for being

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 3>good at the SAT.

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>It was so sad, And you know what this web

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 1>connects to this? These are people who can't see a

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 1>future for themselves. They can't see a future only in

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the past. That's why Madam Webb is the ultimate hero. Right,

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.560
<v Speaker 1>she can see the future sort of, she's imagining queer futures.

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and actually I think this sort of is important

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't have this this like male confidence of like,

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm gonna go to the moon and

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 2>plant a flat right. No, it's like maybe tomorrow it

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 2>might rain.

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well there's a community aspect, yes, of course. It's

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:14.279
<v Speaker 1>like her sort of is like she can envision these futures, right,

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 1>and if it were a man, like probably the man

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>would be like this is happening. Yeah, but she is

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:25.560
<v Speaker 1>like I I I'm going to like, I'm going to

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>share that information and then like together we can move forward. Yes,

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a little, it's something. It's an ice. It's like

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is it. Now, let's go to the web.

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.640
<v Speaker 2>From one she has an idea and then she's like

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll work through it together.

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she apologizes for it, and she apologizes.

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Something you will notice ester when you see the film

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is that every second word out of her mouth is

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know all the teen girls keep asking her

0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like why is this happening?

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Why is this happening? And she's like, girls, I don't know.

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.399
<v Speaker 3>The most incredible performance the whole movie, the metatext, of course,

0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 3>is I don't know what this movie's about.

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's like, thank you, it's so cool.

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if some of those lines actually were

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.200
<v Speaker 2>something else. Into coda, Johnson was like, whatever, I.

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Feel like the character wouldn't know here. Yeah, exactly, there's

0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 1>so much going on. Why is that guy using this?

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's amazing.

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just that for an hour and a half, and

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 2>then she gets her powers truly within the last like

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:26.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes.

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>The only sort of sort of she's like and once

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 1>again the culture can't commit. Yeah, well, you know what

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it is.

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.120
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, in you know the original Tobe

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>McGuire Spider Man, or for me, in my world the

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 2>original I know there's more sure, you.

0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Know, he starts getting his powers and he's like trying

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to climb for the first time.

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>He's figuring it out, and that's like the first that's

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the end of the first act, because that's how a

0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:48.920
<v Speaker 2>superhero movie is structured. It's like in your powers, you

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 2>try to use them, you fail, then you figure them

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 2>out in Madam Webb, that's the finale.

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so this is a symptom of this is

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 1>like capitalistic bloat because it's exact one. But then if

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 1>you actually take it as said exact well, exactly exactly exactly.

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 3>It's the way that the whole movie is to get

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 3>to just the point. She's a normal girl the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>But what makes.

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<v Speaker 2>But what makes it, what makes it camp, is that

0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 2>those sequels will never come. So with this sort of

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 2>amazing story with no resolution, it's like Ladybird like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>literally like she she her name, Yes she does.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually interested to see if there's a transnarrative you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well guess what we're not gonna find out. Yeah. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for you to see it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to see it. I can't wait to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to if I could just like come on

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<v Speaker 1>later for like a little ten minute exclud then we

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>are giving my I am okay.

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<v Speaker 2>With the rest of our patron content forever being about

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<v Speaker 2>Madame Web.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, Madam Web actually inspires so much hope,

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:01.400
<v Speaker 3>enjoy in me because it's what we're saying about language

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 3>where it's like what's what's out now, what's in now?

0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.120
<v Speaker 3>It's so nice to have a new thing that everyone

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 3>is a movie is like this is this is defining

0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 3>the conversation for the year. Well look back on this

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 3>year and be like, remember when we were laughing about

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 3>Madame web But yeah, it's gonna be so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the thought and maybe you both had this

0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>thought too, because you know you're very smart and plugged

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>in visuals. You know. Well, yo, about like maybe four

0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to five minutes ago, I was like, are we dating

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>this episode in a big way?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yeah, sorry. But the last thing that felt

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<v Speaker 1>like this how Madam Webb feels is Cats.

0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Well people have been saying it's the cats of superhero movies.

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and cats. I actually I still like cats jokes.

0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I smile. It was a crazy moment. It was

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 1>a crazy moment and the fact that that was like

0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:54.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone's last movie before Lockdown, and like I saw like

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>a like a ten thirty PM at like Lincoln Square, AMC.

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<v Speaker 1>So we all we're just doing full talk back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so fun. This is like like I still laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>I still think fondly on that moment, So I do

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<v Speaker 1>think something about Madam Webb is and it signifies the

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<v Speaker 1>death of the superhero. Yeah, which is so great, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what a way to go, A way to go, A

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<v Speaker 1>way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't end with a bang. It ended with an

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know with the girlies yeah yeah, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>with Sydney Sweeney being in an aborted prequel for that

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<v Speaker 2>for bat Girl, No Spider, Spider Spider, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't talk about it. Whatever. Interviews incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I also I really like the our episodes are so dated,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think it's so funny as I journal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so topical.

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<v Speaker 2>What would if you were to make a fake museum?

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<v Speaker 2>What would the topic be?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Great question with a slide in. Good question with

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<v Speaker 1>the slide.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, we haven't addressed the actual slide in

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<v Speaker 2>case anyone has the problem that I had. So when

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<v Speaker 2>as the first said this, I hesitated because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that she meant slides like a slide show, like a

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<v Speaker 2>history history museums that have like a slide show.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'll be honest, like I saw a wave

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<v Speaker 1>of confusion come over your face when I shared the

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<v Speaker 1>topic right before we started recording, and I was I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was taken aback because I was like, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a perfect totally no. I yes, But

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<v Speaker 1>then as soon as you understood, then you were like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh this is rich, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you sanguage I at first I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>does she mean slides or slides? But then I just

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<v Speaker 3>use context clues, which can be so so amazing. Ye,

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<v Speaker 3>contexts are hard for me. So okay, what would I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Off the bat?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, would yours be the Museum of Broadway? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that does exist. It does. Oh, there is a Museum

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<v Speaker 1>of Broadway, and you know that. It's like halfway right.

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<v Speaker 2>It just has like one bra that Patty Lapone wore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it has it's a room of like one from

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<v Speaker 1>every show. It has the padded bra that Rob McClure

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<v Speaker 1>wore as Missus doubt Fire.

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<v Speaker 3>You get to take a picture with a playbill on

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<v Speaker 3>your way out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well this is the thing. It's like halfway right

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<v Speaker 1>because I haven't been to it. I haven't been to

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<v Speaker 1>any of these, but like there's like there is history stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you take a picture, like there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>swing that's like themed like hair or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>People take pictures with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's sort of what you would get if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to go to a Broadway show that had a

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<v Speaker 2>little photo op, but all of them together, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when I went to Angels in America, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they had the wings that you could take a photo

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<v Speaker 2>in from. Yeah, so it's that, but then for every show,

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<v Speaker 2>and you also don't get to see a show that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. I mean, is there a better metaphor for

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of fake museum than that. It's like it's spectacle. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's spectacle, but without the spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question when you are in like a

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<v Speaker 3>space where it's like you got to the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the museum, you should take a picture on the hair chair?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you take a picture?

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<v Speaker 1>Not anymore? Do you? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, I don't know if I actually actually

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<v Speaker 2>posted it, but I did get a photo with the

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<v Speaker 2>Angels in America wings when I went with my friend's staff.

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<v Speaker 1>See this. I am so rocked when put in that

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<v Speaker 1>situation because I'm like, do I do it? Or am

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<v Speaker 1>I above it?

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<v Speaker 3>Because obviously in my mind I'm way above it. But

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'm also like, but I'm human, Right, I

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<v Speaker 3>came to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I need proof of it. Well, it's a little bit like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it? Like, Oh, you hate capitalism, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have an iPhone? Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>well you're there. Well you know what else I do?

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<v Speaker 2>And I do this literally with no shame. You better

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<v Speaker 2>believe I post the playable to my story every single

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<v Speaker 2>time I go to the theater.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I don't and I don't. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be shamed for it. I think there's something about the

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<v Speaker 1>effemery of the story. Yes, yeah, I know I would

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<v Speaker 1>never do at adult I do. I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what ever, because it's like obviously, I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>kind of being like, look at me, I'm at a play.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's also fun about it is that everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>has seen it then responds and is like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't El Fanning like so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just be not bad.

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<v Speaker 3>We Yeah, I went to Cold Show. Yeah, and I like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't go to a theater very often with a playbill.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I know, the culture is take

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the real theater.

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<v Speaker 2>People would probably look at me and are like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>so ghost for doing that, but I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I felt so much shame and I had to

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<v Speaker 3>look around and make sure other people were doing it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Real theater people aren't that cultured anymore. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>real theater. Real theater people are are posting to their grid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and the town Yeah yeah, exactly interesting. Well

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<v Speaker 1>should we do our final segment?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean none of us have answered my question.

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<v Speaker 1>I I mean, but also no, no, I can think.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to because it's a difficult one, because it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be something essentially bad, like you're creating something

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't even yourself on a.

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<v Speaker 3>Well the one I would fully yeah, I would want

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<v Speaker 3>like like if there was a hacky way to do

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<v Speaker 3>like Museum of Gay Guye where if it were like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's really good actually and you could like, yeah, there'd

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<v Speaker 3>be you know, although there'd be the Fire Island section

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<v Speaker 3>of like the seventies, and then you'd also like you

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<v Speaker 3>could walk into like a dance floor and it was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, is what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Like like a fake Keith Herring mural. Yeah, like Diva's Room,

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<v Speaker 2>Diva's Room.

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<v Speaker 1>Div.

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<v Speaker 2>Like just a room that has like the film the

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<v Speaker 2>concert film of the Madonna Confessions Tour playing.

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<v Speaker 1>On a loop. You could get like kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>like exit through their gift shop like poppers, Like yeah, poppers.

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<v Speaker 2>Like also a giant thing of poppers to do a

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<v Speaker 2>photo op with. Oh yeah, there'd be like a frame

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<v Speaker 2>frame jock strap.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good idea. Yeah. Well, also, like I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of want to go like, what's some of the

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<v Speaker 1>like early gay guys like I don't really know like

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<v Speaker 1>gay male history like to yeah, yeah, like like what's

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<v Speaker 1>like turn of the century gay guys. Well, Dandy is like, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's like something. I think it's like something

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<v Speaker 1>like really beautiful with like trans women in gay guy history,

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<v Speaker 1>like the way it has intertwined, you know at certain

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<v Speaker 1>points in history. Absolutely people are like, oh, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>like crazy people with penis Like we're actually there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot a lot of ways found. Yeah wow, okay, wait mine,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good one. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually almost this all this actually sort of

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<v Speaker 2>does exist. I'm thinking of like if you go to

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<v Speaker 2>like Coupercute or something and they have like an exhibition

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<v Speaker 2>that's like the history of advertising and there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like famous ads.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, like that does exist and you could argue it

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<v Speaker 2>is art, right, but there is something about like there's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a nineties kids will remember this element like

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<v Speaker 2>a museum that is basically like BuzzFeed the museum. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just like artifacts from your childhood, and it's in fact

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<v Speaker 2>micro targeted so that when you enter a room, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all things that like bring you back to your childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a power ranger that's like still in the rapper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that something like that is bound to have

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<v Speaker 2>on a CEU and it'll be VR because it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like algorithmically that's how it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>So point yeah. So something that I think, like something

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<v Speaker 1>I really like like like left wing like revolutionary history

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that and like protests, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>think it would be cool and crazy to have like

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<v Speaker 1>a museum that's like dedicated to that. Yeah, like like

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<v Speaker 1>radical movements and stuff like that specifically. And there is

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<v Speaker 1>this extra added layer of darkness that it's being commodified

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<v Speaker 1>and being reclaimed and recaptured, so dark, and you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're like doing something by going to this like

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<v Speaker 1>the Museum of Radicality or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean that does it's like you will

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<v Speaker 2>occasionally go to like you know, protest art or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it'll be like a framed sign from a

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<v Speaker 2>protest right, and then like a photo of people congregating,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're also with people, but rather than creating

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<v Speaker 2>change themselves, are sort of all being like wow, that

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<v Speaker 2>was powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's like there's an exhibit right now at the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Museum that I really want to go to have

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<v Speaker 1>like queer zines, and it's like this like radical way

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<v Speaker 1>of like spreading information within like queer punk communities and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that like now is being given this legitimacy, but

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<v Speaker 1>like also while it's still happening. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>like I wonder what that's doing to like the brains

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<v Speaker 1>of the people like like everything that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they're somewhere in the back of their

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<v Speaker 1>mind they're like, well, this might be like in a

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<v Speaker 1>museum one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do think this happens so much to the

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<v Speaker 2>act up generation, like it has been that story has

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<v Speaker 2>now been told so many different times in documentaries, in museums, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's so difficult to actually be like, oh that

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<v Speaker 2>was there was a time when that wasn't commodified, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to remember that and things get left out.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the more that it, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>people want to talk about the suffragists, they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about how to suffragists bombed things. You know

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA But in your museum, that'll be that whole room

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get you'll never mind, you'll get you'll get. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it would be things like the anarchists, like here's

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb recipe. It'll be called steal this museum. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, esther done. There's a future here. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar mutual aid fund museum. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn wow, thank you to the queersy thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I did have something where I like in a museum

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<v Speaker 3>when it's like, you know, things from the past, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like looking at stuff in like recent past. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like this is zines from the seventies or something, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like cool, cool, cool. And then when it gets

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<v Speaker 3>like and they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Still being made today.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you see like stuff from like six months ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, don't don't show me that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't had time to ruminate on there exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this one's important later. Yeah, I even they get to contemporary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, who chose that one? Yeah? Is that your friend?

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys know what actually is so part of

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation, which is when old school museum culture and

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<v Speaker 2>fake museum culture clashed. When MoMA did the B York exhibition,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, So it was like I didn't. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go either.

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<v Speaker 2>They heavily advertised this and it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like B York at it was the B York Show

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<v Speaker 2>at MoMA, and it had and you sort of think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll have some like costumes from her videos whatever, And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the details, but it was the most

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<v Speaker 2>like critically panned art show of like all time. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was like an embarrassing, humiliating moment for MoMA. It

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<v Speaker 2>was seen as like them trying so hard and so

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<v Speaker 2>desperately to like appeal to people that wouldn't otherwise come

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<v Speaker 2>to a museum. And I do wonder if I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a way to like, Let's say you are

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<v Speaker 2>an old school museum you want to get you blood in,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't want to do museum of ice cream?

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<v Speaker 1>What is a way to do it? By will maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>some integrity. I think, I guess it is the zine thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's the zine thing. Yeah, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I mean, I'll speak to what would get

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<v Speaker 1>me in, right, is like is more like queer art?

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<v Speaker 1>Like inclusivity? Yeah, inclusivity, inclusivity. So I guess the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is just inclusivity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, cool, yeah, all right, okay, Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard that's pretty easy to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we solve museums really good. Right now it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of filled with light. Yeah, that's amazing. Ye, see you

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<v Speaker 1>at the Goggenheim. Now we should do our finals. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we should find a segment. I wish I had one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this

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<v Speaker 3>segment we piwash is the grand straight oral tradition of

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<v Speaker 3>the radio shout out, giving a shout out to anything

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<v Speaker 3>that we enjoy. We will go first, and then and

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<v Speaker 3>then you, of course, naturally, naturally, I have one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>what's uh, freaks, losers and not to mention perverts. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to give a shout out to the new Casey

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<v Speaker 3>Musgraves song Deeper. Well, that's right, I am enjoying this song.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, you know, like everyone else, I was

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<v Speaker 3>obsessed with Golden Hour album by her, but then the

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<v Speaker 3>next one I was sort of like, yeah, this is fine,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's sort of you know when you love something

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<v Speaker 3>by someone so much and then the next one you

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<v Speaker 3>don't love that much and you're like, did I ever

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<v Speaker 3>like them? What was my what is my relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>Casey Musgraves? And now this new song came out and

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<v Speaker 3>I said she's a genius and I said, I'm all in.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a fool to have ever doubted her. It

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<v Speaker 3>feels mature, it feels classic, and it feels i'll say

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<v Speaker 3>it relevant to my current life, which is so groundbreaking

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<v Speaker 3>when stuff is a relative to my current life. So

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to Casey Moose Graves, shout out to the

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<v Speaker 3>new song, and shout out to.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a gay guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, really brought it home at the end there, what's

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<v Speaker 2>up freaks some losers? I want to give a shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to getting a Manhattan on the rocks. People will

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<v Speaker 2>tell you you'll need some queer butter tender and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>say Manhattan that goes in a little koopye coopye glass.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize we were in you know, occupied Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do whatever I want. I can get it

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<v Speaker 2>on I can get it on the rocks if I want.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what, then, I'm not drinking lukewarm sort of

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<v Speaker 2>syrupy whiskey mixture. I'm drinking a delicious iced cocktail. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I draw the line and getting a martini on the rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not insane.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what, go to a bar, order a rye

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<v Speaker 2>Manhattan on the rocks and report back because something tells

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<v Speaker 2>me you're gonna be refreshed and you're gonna be honestly drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA. I couldn't disagree more. But really, you would never

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I get upset when they do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. I used to be like you.

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<v Speaker 3>The little fancy glass is half the fun. I actually

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<v Speaker 3>just wish more drinks came into the fancy the martini

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<v Speaker 3>style glass. But what about surely getting warm, honey the

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<v Speaker 3>right eye drinking, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be way split the difference, right, Like one

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<v Speaker 1>piece of ice one Well, there's nothing more stigmatized in

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<v Speaker 1>this country than like putting one ice cube.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when when I will sometimes put one ice Cuban.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it a glass of white wine, sue me. Ye,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, it keeps a colt. It doesn't change the

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<v Speaker 2>taste that much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have the right to do it. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about something we should normalize. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do another shout out? He's curious, all right, time for

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<v Speaker 1>your shot? Okay, Hey, hey, hey America, what's up, gay people?

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<v Speaker 1>I am loving babies boom, specifically nieces and nephews. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's give it up for nieces and nephews. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not going to use the term nibbling. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>unless I have to, and then I would gladly. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>go for the record, and that's for the record. But

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't sound it just it feels we need a

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<v Speaker 1>different word. Yeah, and maybe we won't get it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll I'll say nibbling. I'm a conservative. I suppose the

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<v Speaker 1>point is, well, we all are little kids are really cute.

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<v Speaker 1>My niece is I was like, should I say her name? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so, yeah, talks that bitch. Her name is Live.

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<v Speaker 1>She's three years old and she's starting to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where she knows my name and she's like

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<v Speaker 1>Esta Esta's calling and wants to talk to me on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone. And it makes me feel really good, and

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<v Speaker 1>it gives me hope and makes me see the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Her web connects me all, her web connects me. All.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's really That would have been the tagline of

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<v Speaker 2>the sequel, but they're never gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, her web connects me all.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow, I'm I'm about to choke on water. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for doing the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Joy, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for a live show at the Museum

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<v Speaker 2>of ice Cream. Yeah, and you know, get out there

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<v Speaker 2>and go to the MET.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was like, go to Madam Web, go

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<v Speaker 3>to the Met, Go to Madam Met, go to Miss

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<v Speaker 3>Mama Met.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid of looking inside. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in you. Yeah, and don't be don't guess what.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at a piece of art, you don't immediately

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<v Speaker 2>get it, move on to the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many you don't have to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>It might seem like us three because of the way

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking. It might seem like we get every piece

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<v Speaker 1>of art.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't gotten a piece of art. And since

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<v Speaker 2>Madam Webb, honestly we saw it very recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna see that and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first piece of our I got. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get anything else. Wow. Wow.

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