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Speaker 2: And Happy New Year. Today, we are re releasing one

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Speaker 2: of our favorite episodes from this past year with our

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Speaker 2: dear friend Esther Phallic, because it was just named one

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Speaker 2: of the top comedy moments of the year by Vulture

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Speaker 2: in New York Magazine. And to be more specific, it

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Speaker 2: was actually something Esther said on the episode that was

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Speaker 2: named one of the top comedy moments of the year.

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Speaker 2: But of course we are taking credit for it because

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Speaker 2: you know, we're the ones who provided her the platform

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Speaker 2: to say, which is actually more important if you think

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you json P Frank for including it in the list,

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Speaker 2: Thank you Vulture as always, and enjoy. Go see Estra

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Speaker 2: live in twenty twenty five, go follow her on all platforms.

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Speaker 2: Have at Lovely New Year's Eve, and we will be

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Speaker 2: back with new episodes starting next week. And if you're

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco, don't forget to buy tickets to our

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Speaker 2: first live show of the year on January seventeenth at

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Speaker 2: Cobbs Comedy Club in San Francisco for Sfsketch Fest. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be an incredible show. We can't wait to

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Speaker 2: it's going to be amazing ing see you there happening

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Speaker 2: New Year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts now. Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were just talking about the whole thing

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Speaker 2: of Jeremy Strong at some point in the last two

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Speaker 2: the hell is this f sler on about?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've tore into shreds for something.

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Speaker 2: He's an actor. That's like if you went to a

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Speaker 2: business meeting and someone was like, does anyone have the

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Speaker 2: you know, metrics? And you were like, the hell is

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Speaker 2: wrong with you? And then you started chasing him with spears.

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Speaker 3: Well, we value anti intellectualism in this country, so in

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Speaker 2: It's also like, what what do you think makes him

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Speaker 3: Well, people were like, no, oh, he's a good actor

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're thinking of Priyanka Chopra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Not everyone's Pianka Chopra. Do you yes? Do you

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Speaker 3: Go?

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Speaker 2: And in fact, the older I get, the more I

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that even when someone is another kind

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean. It's like when you're

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Speaker 2: It's in a long tradition that goes back to you know,

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Speaker 2: But if it weren't for all of that history, you

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Speaker 2: And in this similar way acting, you know, the Stella

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Speaker 3: No, they wouldn't know how to say that they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: And I think like in each era, almost there's a

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Speaker 3: That's tough for me because I don't know if I

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Speaker 3: You're in a language, you're having a conversation with the past, present,

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Speaker 2: Do you think photography and acting which one is straighter

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Speaker 3: Acting is gayer, photography is straighter. Maybe that's why I

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Speaker 2: exactly where you're coming from, to sort of push back

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know it's sure gay.

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Speaker 2: Guy in the corner, yeah, being like they don't know

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Speaker 2: of mel I'm invisible and ye, and yet I am

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Speaker 1: But I feel like that's exactly why it's gay, because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like the photographer is such a

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Speaker 1: Moody straight American beauty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't look at me, don't look at me, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Photographers are in cells and they think they are

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Speaker 2: Right, whereas actors have no subjectivity and need lines in

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Speaker 2: worshiped in a door, worshiped on the door, Polly bisexual

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Speaker 2: of course, all right, I think I'm I think you're

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's nice.

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Speaker 2: Should we bring in our guest trained actress and photographer?

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Speaker 1: I think that could be an amazing idea. Am I

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a shorter intro than.

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Speaker 1: Oh, then we but we can keep going.

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Speaker 3: But I actually think to not bring her in now, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that would be pretty toxic. Okay, can you imagine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like, you know, there are other

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Speaker 2: I'm like, let's celebrate by basically paring a party in

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Speaker 3: I think that's such a beautiful idea.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, please welcome our friend Estra Phallic.

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Speaker 1: Hello. So right off the bat, Esther, what is your

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Speaker 1: take on everything that has been said so far? So

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Speaker 1: glad you asked, because it's been really hard for me.

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Speaker 1: And then I could sense that I could sense that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're sort of bating you. I'm thinking about words that

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Speaker 1: have been in my mind recently. Object and subject.

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Speaker 2: The way those two words are on my mind twenty

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Speaker 2: four steps.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying because I think what we're

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Speaker 1: saying here is is that I think in acting, you're

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Speaker 1: In photography, no wait, sorry you're sorry, you're the subject,

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Speaker 1: you're the subject, no way, No. In photograph photography you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a subject. You're no, no, aren't no. In

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Speaker 1: acting you're the object. Way, but you're the subject in

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Speaker 2: Photographer is not the subject, his subject is the subject

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Speaker 1: The photographer is like like, oh shit, I guess I

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Speaker 2: No, but but you've opened a door.

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Speaker 1: But I've opened a door. I guess I do know.

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Speaker 1: Subject an object and object? Okay, so they're not let's

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Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. Let's go back to basics. Subject and object.

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Speaker 1: Which one to you is straighter and which one is gayer?

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Speaker 1: I mean object is gayer? Ye? Right? Because it like

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Speaker 1: being like acted upon. Absolutely, And so that's why phtographer,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a subject. They're the subject because

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Speaker 1: they're like, they're like capturing the object.

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Speaker 2: So it's a misnomer to call the subject of the

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're the object.

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Speaker 2: Without the photographer, they would just be like a literal

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Speaker 1: Right in the middle of a room. Which is why

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Speaker 1: it's correct, frankly that we were saying he for a photographer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, because then we were saying she for actor, right,

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Speaker 1: Of course, this culture, in this culture, why didn't build

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Speaker 2: Actress, yes, yes, I actually think you know how sometimes

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Speaker 2: charlie'ster as an actor. I actually think women should say

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Speaker 1: Yes, that would be so amazing. And then we could

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Speaker 1: have five It could be like best exactly best butch

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Speaker 2: I would love that actually to not not necessarily get

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Speaker 2: more queer lens exactly.

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Speaker 1: Genitals, get him out.

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Speaker 2: Of the genitals, get him out of there. And it's

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Speaker 2: just like, are you butch? Are you fem im soft butch?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, best supporting bottom. I was going to say, twink, bear, bear,

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Speaker 1: and bear is like we're not talking and when you

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Speaker 2: We're talking about like a hairy man. Like Judy Dench

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Speaker 2: I think Judy Dench could give a bear performance. I

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Speaker 2: think I think Charlee's could give a bear performance. I

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Speaker 1: You think Kate Blanchett, she like giving I would performance.

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Speaker 2: Whereas I think, here's what I'll say, the whale twink performance,

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Speaker 2: performance performances, And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I think Darren Aronofsky frankly was filming it

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Speaker 1: exactly but but Brendan Fraser, I mean he understood the twink.

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Speaker 1: He understood that he brought the twink. Yeah, whoa, that's

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Speaker 3: You know, I think we should have a world where

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Speaker 1: Period. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait I have something. Okay, first two things, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really amazing Adam.

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Speaker 2: Webb, I certainly think, and I will try not to

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Speaker 3: I think it is a it's specifically thirty something gay

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Speaker 2: It's the drag race contestant that thinks they're above it.

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Speaker 3: Well that was of her whole deal. That that's a

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Speaker 2: She was like she was like her like, yeah, she's okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, they started they started reving. I was scared. Yeah. Wow, wow,

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Speaker 3: Okay, the other thing I wanted to talk about, which

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Speaker 2: I do think Queen is just grandfather, and we say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a classic. I think Queen will never die.

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Speaker 2: But then that actually is worse because it sounds condescending

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, And I really I had to sit with that.

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Speaker 2: I almost text suggests but that I was like, that's

441
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Speaker 2: not gonna. I was like, I was like, wait, I

442
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: have to start this conversation. I was being very like

443
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Speaker 2: straight woman who learns about issues.

444
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Speaker 1: For the first time.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, wow, you really never stopped learning.

446
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: You never stopped learning. I can actually speak to this please.

447
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Speaker 1: I had a good friend of mine who she's a

448
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Speaker 1: sis woman and I'm not going to say who she is,

449
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Speaker 1: but she's been on Broadway. Yeah, it's past. Yeah, it's

450
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Speaker 1: who's what's her? Oh my god?

451
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Speaker 2: Why am I blinking? Who's now in Sweeney, Sutton and Foster.

452
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Speaker 2: It's Sutton Foster. I would love it if I came

453
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Speaker 2: out that Sutton Foster was a huge term.

454
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Speaker 1: Oh honestly, I wouldn't. Okay, I want, I want, but

455
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Speaker 1: I'm just like I know it. So you know a

456
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Speaker 1: Broadway actress, So I know a Broadway actressy, congrats and Okay,

457
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: so I have this she she at one point, like

458
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Speaker 1: early issue in my transition, maybe like six months, she

459
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Speaker 1: was someone who was always like very supportive and you

460
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Speaker 1: know like actually not like people who were like you

461
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Speaker 1: know there on the day I came out and being

462
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Speaker 1: like so proud of my friend years yeah right, yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. But at one point on the phone, she

464
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Speaker 1: like called me dude, and she was like, oh shit,

465
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. But I didn't feel it. I didn't

466
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Speaker 1: take it as a microaggression or anything like that because

467
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Speaker 1: like I had been friends with her long enough, I

468
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Speaker 1: had seen that she doesn't she had never called me

469
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Speaker 1: dude until I came out as a woman. Wow, she

470
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Speaker 1: calls all of her friends dude. She doesn't call men dude. No,

471
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Speaker 1: this is yeah, So like I and I there is

472
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Speaker 1: a bit of a to bring it back to Spider

473
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Speaker 1: Man like six sense, like a Spidey sense, like you know,

474
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Speaker 1: I can't speak for everyone. I know when the word

475
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Speaker 1: dude is yeah yeah, my god, Like I mean I

476
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Speaker 1: can I know when someone genering me correctly is like

477
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Speaker 1: aggressive is doing it yeah yeah, just like I mean

478
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Speaker 1: sometimes like my pronouns are she her and I do know,

479
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: like like there's like some days that feel aggressive, you

480
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so probably your queen not to I should hope.

482
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Speaker 2: So I think probably will not read his offense.

483
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Speaker 1: No, what, yes, I don't.

484
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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, of course, is like, no one

485
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Speaker 2: is going to be like, wait, queen, so you think

486
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Speaker 2: I'm a woman? Right, No one is gonna say that.

487
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Speaker 1: But but you know sometimes someone might. Someone might. That's true,

488
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Speaker 1: someone might. Yeah, it's a good point. You never know that, honey,

489
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Speaker 1: I'll go to a college campus. Can't say, oh my god,

490
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Speaker 1: so a sense of.

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Speaker 2: That part that we have been really well, that part

492
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Speaker 2: I can't pull up.

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Speaker 1: I can't but say that, No, boots, boots is complicated.

494
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Boots is complicated. Boots are complicated. Boots are complicated.

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Speaker 3: I was, I'm feeling so insane suddenly whenever, Oh my god,

496
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Speaker 3: I'm like, there hasn't been a good song about boots

497
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Speaker 3: in a while.

498
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Speaker 1: That's actually, this is something I've been feeling in my heart.

499
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Speaker 1: That's not insane. Okay, these bats are made for and

500
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Speaker 1: remember you two put on your boot, on your sexy boots.

501
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: I mean this is a bad one, but I mean

502
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Speaker 1: rest in this. Maybe will put a boot in your askets.

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Speaker 2: So boots have become conservative, Well, I guess we need

504
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Speaker 2: a boots song.

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Speaker 1: We need feminist, feminist boots song.

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Speaker 3: You know, Chapelone should do it. When she does a

507
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: boots song, it'll be great.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's really insightful. Yeah, I think that's

509
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: really insight I could even see an fylkne So I'm

510
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: actually a little scared that, Like, well, I think we

511
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Speaker 1: might be past the point of Boots song because like

512
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: it reads a little consumerist. Frankly, it's like, why are

513
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Speaker 1: we going to be empowered by this by footwear? Right? Yeah?

514
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Speaker 1: Empowered by footwear in this economy? I don't think so

515
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Speaker 1: unless it's like, you know, the boots are a symbol,

516
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: the boots are a symbol your armor?

517
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Speaker 2: Or what if it's post ironic and the album is

518
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: literally called Empowered by Footwear and it's about how we

519
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: can never be fulfilled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wow, it's a commentary that.

521
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Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, who would release Empowered by Footwear? Because actually,

522
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: don't think that's chaperone anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's where I mean. I can imagine like Katy Perry

524
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Speaker 1: trying it's like girl, yeah, come on, that's very change

525
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Speaker 1: the rhythm.

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Speaker 2: It's very change to the rhythm. Yeah, okay, it's Katy Perry.

527
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Speaker 2: Well she needs she's we've been you know, I mean

528
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Speaker 2: a comeback.

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Speaker 3: She could do that or a normal Boot song, or

530
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Speaker 3: she could have a Boot song and it would be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a Boots concept album where each song is a

532
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Speaker 2: different take on Boots.

533
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Speaker 1: And what they are saying could be bad. Kind of

534
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Speaker 1: like those old those those Christmas albums with the Keith Haring.

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00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah like that. Wow. Yeah, there's literally no

536
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Speaker 1: good art anymore. Superiod that part.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's actually crazy, it's really crazy. Wait, we need

538
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: to do it first singing because I'm actually so eager to.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, But I also have one more thing to

540
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Speaker 3: answer your question of what am I saying now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have one.

542
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Speaker 3: I'm an answer also going hog. I've combined going hog

543
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Speaker 3: wild and going ham into just saying going hog and

544
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Speaker 3: I actually love it.

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Speaker 1: You dropped my jaw with that one. Damn. Wow, that's

546
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Speaker 1: really cool. You always have to be inventing. I do

547
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Speaker 1: have one more and okay, I'm trying to use well yes,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, George, You're really good at it. Thank you. Yeah,

549
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Speaker 1: you do it. Subtly it tastefully. I actually do feel

550
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Speaker 1: like if I haven't vocally warmed up, it might not

551
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Speaker 1: because you kind of got a flip a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The music that was actually a really good one.

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00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

554
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of scary.

555
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: Do you ever see someone with training and you're like, oh,

556
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't try.

557
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's let's do a first segment.

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Speaker 2: Our first segment Esther is called straight Shooters, and in

559
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: this segment, we gauge your familiarity with in complicity and

560
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: straight culture by asking you a series of rapid fire

561
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: questions where you have to choose one thing or another thing.

562
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: And the one rule is you can't ask any follow

563
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: up questions about how the game works, and if you do,

564
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: we will get violent.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, a lot of threats today. Yeah yeah, well.

566
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: Okay, miss congeniality or miss kirstially Miss Kirstiale.

567
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: Bringing a gun to a knife fight or having some

568
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Speaker 2: fun with the wife tonight.

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Speaker 1: Bringing a gun to a knife fight? Wow, Okay.

570
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: Following up circling back or looping you in.

571
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Holding up, circling back or looping you in circling.

572
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: Back, walk the line by Johnny Cash or you look

573
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: fine except for that rash.

574
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: You look fine, except for that rash.

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Speaker 3: Moisturizer or womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, womanizer.

576
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: Womanizer, womanizer, womanizer, womanizer.

577
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: Beyonce going country, or my fiancee is being cunty. My

578
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: fiance is being cunty.

579
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: Okay, being deflowered or being empowered, And yeah, they're different.

580
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: He's arguing that they're the same. I am not.

581
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Speaker 2: Being deflower our father, who aren't in heaven. Or my

582
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Speaker 2: mother is fifty seven. My mother is fifty seven. Wow,

583
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: that was a performance. I thought that was a really

584
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Speaker 2: good performance. I'm trying to think. So we rank our

585
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: guests from zero to one thousand doves?

586
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm But here's what I'm dealing with.

587
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: What is it? You know?

588
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Speaker 3: I thought that was an incredib performance. I want to

589
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: say one thousand doves. Yeah, but I feel like we've

590
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: been so easy on our guests recently.

591
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: I know I've been thinking that too, Like it really is.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's an article today about Michiko ko Kotani,

593
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Speaker 2: the New York Times book critic, who used to.

594
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Speaker 1: Do this or come up now.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, I have not read this article, but

596
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Speaker 2: I did see the headline and the subs. I believe

597
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Speaker 2: that the argument is sort of like she used to

598
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: be such a harsh critic and now she's gone soft.

599
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, are we kakutaniing?

600
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: We're kakutaniing.

601
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Speaker 3: I mean we're we used to be Pitchfork in two

602
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven and hour Pitchfork in twenty twenty four.

603
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: We're literally Pitchfork in twenty twenty four giving Taylor Swift's.

604
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Speaker 1: Eight eight point two. Yeah yeah, I mean a thousand doves,

605
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: one thousand doves. Okay, thank you so much.

606
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: Caught us in our kokutani present day in Michico ko

607
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: kotani Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, because we've been cruel in the past. The past.

609
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: We gave Chris Murphy like a three hundred. Well he

610
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Speaker 1: needed to do, he needed to do that.

611
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Speaker 3: Look, people think, oh, you know, we're friendly, we see

612
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Speaker 3: each other. Oh oh, they won't give us a tough score.

613
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Speaker 1: Yeah we will. And I honestly I was ready for

614
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Speaker 1: whatever you brought. I was ready for whatever came. I

615
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Speaker 1: was like, you know what it's it's I'm gonna survive.

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Speaker 2: If there's one thing, if there's a negative thing I

617
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Speaker 2: could point out in your performance.

618
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Speaker 1: It's actually the.

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Speaker 2: Lack of You were so ready and so prepared that

620
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Speaker 2: it almost felt like there was a lack of stakes

621
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Speaker 2: because I was like, nothing I will say will make

622
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Speaker 2: you confused or make you sort of like, you know,

623
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Speaker 2: like flounder.

624
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, so you're saying there was no danger.

625
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: It was a little bit like, you know, this is

626
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Speaker 2: sort of how I f helt about the movie Past Lives.

627
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: I felt like, yes, I understood what it was trying

628
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Speaker 2: to do, and I thought it was great, and I

629
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Speaker 2: thought Grittily was great, but it had a bit too

630
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Speaker 2: tidy of a bow on it where I was like,

631
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Speaker 2: I know exactly what it's doing and where it's going.

632
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: And I think potentially you gave a Past Lives performance.

633
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Speaker 1: How does that make you feel? That makes me feel

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Speaker 1: I have something to work on. I have somebody to

635
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Speaker 1: work on, and I think that that's really cool. Yeah,

636
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

637
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: And I think it is is, you know, Gretely again,

638
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: someone I love, and someone who's performance I loved didn't

639
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: ultimately get nominated for the Oscar. So I think what

640
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: you're dealing with is a performance that is critically acclaim

641
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: that everyone loved, but that didn't make the.

642
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Cut, and everyone's saying, like, what's her next out? Exactly,

643
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: what's her next outing? Yeah, and they're looking back and

644
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, Gretelee was in that, but this wasn't

645
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: the one.

646
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Speaker 2: It was sort of like Amy Adams and Junebug, like

647
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Speaker 2: that was her first big performance.

648
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, although she sure Wait past lives, now, that's straight culture.

649
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I have to I have to agree.

650
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Speaker 2: And again I'm saying, okay, okay, no, I think it

651
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: is straight culture, not in a derogatory way, just sort

652
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: of like it really is a quintessentially straight love story

653
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Speaker 2: in a big I So I saw that.

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Speaker 1: It was one of my first dates with a with

655
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Speaker 1: a previous partner of mine, who of course is non binary,

656
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and we were no monogamous. Wow, congratulations, thank you so much.

657
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: So we were watching it just being like, why don't

658
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: they just right just do that?

659
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: No, it's like what but I almost appreciate, like there's

660
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: something about the clear cut steaks and limitations of a

661
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: straight love story that is what makes you know, ancient

662
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Greek tragedy in Shakespeare so compelling. Yeah, and everyone was

663
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: just Polly in Romeo and Julia, like, what's the point

664
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: it's like cell phones.

665
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

666
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: yeah yeah almost it's like too many movies would be

667
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: ruined with Paul yea, yeah, we can't. That is true.

668
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: They're gonna start having to do everything superiod piece in

669
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: tw thousand and three before you know. Okay, no polyamory,

670
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: no cell phones. That way the movie can have some steaks.

671
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

672
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: So I'm reading I'm reading a book and this is

673
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: actually a sort of related to this. I'm reading a book.

674
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: I won't say who it's by, but it's no, no.

675
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: You would know. You wouldn't know, you would know her.

676
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: Jk Rowling.

677
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: No, no closer to Salaryony than Jake. But honestly, I

678
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: would say, were right down the middle. We can, we can,

679
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: We'll bleep it. Why why do you want to keep

680
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: her private?

681
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: She's a public because I am about to criticize way

682
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: and we all saw the Tina fay Klip got it

683
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: exactly basically.

684
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: In this book, the main character is a mother and

685
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: she has a I believe six year old child, and

686
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: she refers to the child with them pronouns, not because

687
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: the child has like come out as a non binary,

688
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: just because this is a progressive mom who wants.

689
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: To refer to her child in that way the child,

690
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: which is something that I quite.

691
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: Literally agree with politically, I am on board. And yet

692
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm reading this book and it I'm so aware of

693
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: it that I'm like suddenly thinking too much about this

694
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: mom character. I'm like, oh, classicland mom, classic, Like I'm

695
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: unable to see like other elements of her because that

696
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: is so jarring. And I think that is what the

697
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: polyamory thing and the cell phone thing does to movies.

698
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Wait, wait when you see

699
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: what what do you mean? Exactly?

700
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Like like when it's it distracts me when it's the

701
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: like when she's saying like I changed their diaper, it

702
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: takes me a second to be.

703
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: Like oh what, oh right, Oh that's what your right, right.

704
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: And polyamory in a film will take you out. Yeah

705
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: if it were, Yeah, if it were, you'd be like, okay,

706
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: like we got it on the pulse.

707
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: It would be about like polyamorous race car driver exactly

708
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: like you'd only be able to focus on the poly

709
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 3: The fact that.

710
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: I think this is what I'm talking like, this one

711
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: is doing all this other stuff that is the actual

712
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: plot of the book, and I keep like, for one

713
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: second too long thinking about the which is interesting. Which

714
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: then I'm like, all right, so I'm conservative little yeah,

715
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 2: or about to be. We're about to be, We're about

716
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: to Maybe I'm having I'm Adam Web moment where I'm like,

717
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm voting for Santa.

718
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Anyway, maybe we'll take that out.

719
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's too bad, because I want to do a

720
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: I want to discuss the film about the polyamorous racecar drivers.

721
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just think you know, the race car

722
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: driver and the pit crew is all I think they would. Well,

723
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: it's either like they would win for every time because

724
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: their love is so strong, so powerful, or they would

725
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: always lose because they're always making out the race stop kissing.

726
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: There is such a thing as too much love. Love

727
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: is love except for a race car. That's the tagline.

728
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: That's that's there her web next, love is except a

729
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: race got race car driving?

730
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: Really?

731
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: You know how some things just are like almost too

732
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: obvious of a commentary, like for everyone to just be

733
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: like eating hot dogs while watching fossil fuels being burned

734
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: and then the cars have like advertisements on them.

735
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Okay not but you still like Portland mom, right, now yeah,

736
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: what also are you do you start turning red with someone?

737
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I guess what. My child Celiac is having a great time.

738
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Should we get into the topic. Yes, okay, esther, Yes,

739
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: what is your topic? And what do you think is

740
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: straight about it? Okay, I'm so excited to be uh

741
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: talking about this today. I'll tell you what just really

742
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: quickly one of my rejected topics because I did a

743
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: heavy vetting process before I arrive here today. Who did

744
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: you vet with yourself? Yeah? I mean just me? Oh

745
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

746
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Now that's Madam Webb to be like having a conversation

747
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: with another version.

748
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: You're literally a projecting yes, yes, okay, and now I've

749
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: that to look forward to. I didn't know that was

750
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: an element. She can split.

751
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: She does it once, she does it once, and honestly

752
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: like not well for now.

753
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh my god. Adam Sandler is certainly like one,

754
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but that's there's what

755
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: is there to say that hasn't been said? But well

756
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot actually, and and you know, I'll just leave

757
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: you all with that tease and you know the people.

758
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to talk about was museums with

759
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: slides in them. Right, And so that's how I'm referring

760
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: to this, this sort of catch all phenomenon of museums

761
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: that you know, the first level is these instagram museums.

762
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: Museum of ice Cream. Now, there's the Museum of Broadway.

763
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: There's there's like a Blue Museum, Museum of Sex, Museum

764
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: of Sex, right or not you mentioned before. Yeah, So

765
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: then you start getting into like some of the like

766
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: nineties like Experience Economy, Ripley's Believe It or Not, the

767
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Madame Tussau's, all of these like you know, forty second

768
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Street sort of things that you know, we saw them

769
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: as ghosh then, but now they've been sort of classed

770
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: up in this way for this certain like millennial uh

771
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: you know email job, yeah, consumer ybsolute, And I'm just like,

772
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: are you what's so these are your museums. You're afraid

773
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: of culture? Well, you're afraid of history.

774
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: To be living in New York City and even contemplate

775
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: going to the Museum of ice Cream. Literally get on

776
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: the train and go to any museum.

777
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: It's so hard because to me, I they seem fun.

778
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, don't put me.

779
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: I just can see how someone feels so lost and lonely,

780
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: that they would find themselves seeking out that culture where

781
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: they would be like, I don't know who or what

782
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: I am and so, and instead of sitting with that

783
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: and trying to look inward, they're like, so, I guess

784
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the using of ice cream,

785
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: and well.

786
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: You have a really big heart, you can see it

787
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, and I yeah, but what you're giving us,

788
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean, is what you're giving us. Don't yuck there? Yum, No,

789
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I would. I would never ever do that in my life.

790
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm just saying there's something to me. There's like a

791
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: sadness there, which, sure I don't always feel like pathetic.

792
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: I pick and choose.

793
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: I actually think that there's something there because I think about, like,

794
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, before I was a woman, I was a

795
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Disney adult. Oh was that much?

796
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: So your transition also included letting go of your Disney

797
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: adult past?

798
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean not that I like, you know,

799
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I still like kind of I'm a musical

800
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: theater person. It's like, you know, I still sort of

801
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: love What can I say? I love magic? Okay, guilty?

802
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: What is your relationship with Disney? Now? I have to know,

803
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean my relationship with Disney now is I love

804
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: musical theater basically, and you know I love the Muppets.

805
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: You love doing a whole New World at karaoke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

806
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: But I remember like one time, one time I in college,

807
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: I was I was in a class my senior year

808
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: called Disney's Lands. I had to write an essay to

809
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: get in. There were there were like twenty people from

810
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: the school. It was at University of Michigan, and like

811
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: they wanted one from like all these different majors, all

812
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: these different.

813
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Whoa, they got together like an infinity war cast literal

814
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: order to have different perspectives on Disney.

815
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, on specifically the parks. Oh my god. Like there's like,

816
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: you know people that are like business majors, architecture, art history,

817
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: like musical theater.

818
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, Like I knew someone who was a religious

819
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 2: studies major whose thesis was on Disneyland as a religious space.

820
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's a mecca and you walk around. I

821
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: mean it's sort of like, well that's one page. That's

822
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: a really good point and it's a god yeah, Donald

823
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: is Joe. But yeah, yeah, but like we I mean,

824
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: as like the culmination of the of the class, we

825
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: went to Disney World and we like study, we like

826
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: talked about it and stuff, and I stayed one extra

827
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: day and I thought it would be kind of cool

828
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: to be in the parks alone. But it was actually

829
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: the loneliest night of my life.

830
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something not shocking to me. I

831
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: know that being in Disney World alone, what was your fantasy?

832
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: You're like, they're going to tap me to be the

833
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: new Cinderella.

834
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: No, literally, I was like, I was like, they're gonna say, hey,

835
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: you with the stars in your eyes, like you know,

836
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: there's something magical about here.

837
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like you can't sing, can you? And then

838
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: you're like' like funny you.

839
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: But so all this to say, yeah, there is like

840
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the person who would think that like a museum of

841
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: ice cream would be like an enriching experience. They're a

842
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: lonely person who doesn't know themselves yet.

843
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was able to I think you're also

844
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: being Optimistice And guess what you're saying it's loneliness. You're

845
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: saying they don't know themselves yet. What if that's just

846
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: their personality and it's for good and there's no and

847
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: that just unfortunately there's a certain certain segment of the

848
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 2: population that is museum of ice cream.

849
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm being so empathetic to this

850
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: type of person.

851
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Well, no, I think i'm and I'm not even I'm

852
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: not even like saying I believe this, but I do

853
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: think that is a perspective we're asking. And I also

854
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: think all of this, the conversation we're having now is

855
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: essentially the conversation that was happening about Trump voters after

856
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: the twenty year.

857
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: To me, it's so To me, it's both. Honestly, it's

858
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: like you're afraid. You're afraid of something. You're afraid of

859
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: looking out of your element. You're afraid of like like

860
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: art museums, but I never taught that in school, Like

861
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: I'll look so stupid there.

862
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: But you're also the museums like you're I mean, it's

863
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: basically like you're going to like look at these mirrors. Yes,

864
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: they show you yourself, well if you can handle it,

865
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: And that's exactly it. And that's exactly it, or is

866
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: it even the opposite?

867
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: Is it like the people that think they're so sophisticated

868
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: because they're going to the you know, Art of the

869
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: America's exhibit. Are they even more looking into a mirror

870
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: because they're so like obsessed with being sophisticated that anything

871
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: they see will just reflect back to them.

872
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I am smart. It's like either it's like are they

873
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: are they wise mad men? Or are they mad wise? Yeah? Yeah, wow, okay, Wow,

874
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to turn it.

875
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: I'm trying to Okay, I'm trying to turn my perspective

876
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 3: to be hateful towards these people.

877
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think.

878
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: I think your angle on it is something I hadn't

879
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: considered before, which is we had these nineties early adds

880
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: versions of this right right, please believe it or not,

881
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: Madame Justsseau's those are very self evidently lame now, and

882
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: this is updating that for the Instagram generation, right.

883
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: Well, those also specifically were like for families in theory,

884
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: it was like, my family's visiting this weird city, and

885
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: so what are we going to do?

886
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it speaks to a sort of arrested development of

887
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: a certain like, you know, we we don't have houses,

888
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: right like millennials, like the first generation, you know, all

889
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: the like. So someone like let's you know, a Marnie, right,

890
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: like she's just a perfect I mean truly a perfect character.

891
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: A Marnie who who never really had to look at inward,

892
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: might still enjoy the things from her youth, having not

893
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: really grown up, but feel shame about that fact, and

894
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: so look for something that sort of also flatters her aesthetically.

895
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah interesting. So so yeah, own homes we would not

896
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: have if they.

897
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: Turned the Museum of Ice Cream into affordable housing. Yes,

898
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: then everyone will be flocking to the Whitney Biennial. That's

899
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm saying. That actually does make me have

900
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: thriving culture again. There's something about like it's all about rent.

901
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: It's all about rent.

902
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's also how it's about what you expect

903
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: out of escapism, because it's like, if you're so miserable

904
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: in your day to day life, you want Escapism to literally.

905
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: Be like a four D X three D movie that

906
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: makes you, that beats you into.

907
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: Forgetting George bought us four D X tickets when I

908
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: saw Madam Web it was actually a nightmare.

909
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: Actually that wasn't moving, and I am it's not my fault.

910
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: We're about to have a heart attack because we were

911
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: in a forty X theater getting sprayed with water and

912
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: wind and being rocked up.

913
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: Webs connecting us. Yeah, talk about the weapon connext to

914
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: them all. Wait, this is when I just are you

915
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: gonna hold your thought? Wait? Let me remember it? Yes,

916
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, okay, okay. I saw Avatar The Way of

917
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: Water in screen X, which is the format. There were

918
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: like fifteen formats to see Avatar, and this was the

919
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: one where the like they have like extra screen on

920
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: the sides, so there's screen on three sides of you.

921
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: But the screen on the sides was like rendered soap poorly.

922
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: You looked like a PS two cut scene. Oh no,

923
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: it looked like a Windows screen saver. And so every

924
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: time that it like I couldn't take the movie seriously.

925
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: Every time that that happened, Yeah, it is the only time. Surely.

926
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: One of my pet peeves is like leave the film

927
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: going experience alone one hundred, Like it makes me so upset.

928
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Actually, this is connected to what we're saying. Yes, well,

929
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: her web connects them all. Well, her web connects them all.

930
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so my original point was like, if you

931
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: hate your life, there's no social safety net donald Trump

932
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: is president or honestly, then you are looking you are

933
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: looking for like extreme forms of escapism. Whereas if you

934
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: have everything you need, you're living in Denmark, then you

935
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: actually have the space to interpret a painting because you

936
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: have the peace of mind where you don't need to

937
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: actually be like pulverized into submission in order to enjoy

938
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: a movie.

939
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, not that there's not value in being pulverized. Yes, well,

940
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: of course, yes, so I actually have Yes, I think

941
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: that's but I also think that there's like there's even

942
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: when things are going like well, quote unquote, I think

943
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: we've we've in America, we've like maybe since the eighties, right,

944
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: it all goes back to Reagan's web connects assault this. Yeah,

945
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: what like in the nineties, there was like a sense

946
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: of there was there was this like growing wealth, right,

947
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: you know, like that that Hunter S. Thompson article about

948
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: like what like after nine to eleven. You know, like

949
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna look at the nineties as this big party,

950
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: but there was this like decay beginning, and we had

951
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: like a sense of that. So we would say around

952
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: the Lewinsky scandal. Yes, and it makes me think of

953
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: have you all seen snow Pier, sir, Yes, I've seen it.

954
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Finally a movie that I've seen. I just keep thinking

955
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: about like the the like the like decadence of like

956
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: the second train, right, it's a little bit of that.

957
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: It's like there's like this party going on wanting to ignore. Oh,

958
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. You like the decay happening?

959
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, as the So the Museum of ice Cream is

960
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: that party in this it's the party. It's people with

961
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: the email job, it's people with the email oh got

962
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: it themselves?

963
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? By being in a ballpit.

964
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see the wrong hole? Yeah happening all yeah, yeah.

965
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: Which is so interesting because my instinct is that not

966
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: to say the obvious that is the rot. Like when

967
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: you're looking at this dirty, disgusting ballpit and there are

968
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: people that are fully twenty nine years old that are

969
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: like almost drowning because they want photos of themselves with

970
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: oversized sprinkles, You're like, well, if.

971
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: That is not the rock, then what is?

972
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: And that went back to the object in subjects right, Yeah, yeah,

973
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: if that is not the rock, then what is?

974
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, is the rot like the object? Or

975
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: like to signify it? Yes, you know, no, no, I

976
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: think like does that signal the rot? Or is it

977
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: the rot? Right? Yes? Is it?

978
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: Or?

979
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: Also like is it a symptom of the or is

980
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: it the rot itself? Right? I guess it is a symptom.

981
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: You can't argue that the Museum of ice Cream is the.

982
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: Rod starts if I was like, well, because of ice

983
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: cream came first, and then Trump is like because specifically

984
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: the ice cream.

985
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: No, no, it was twenty nine rooms. Yeah, then Trump.

986
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Well the other thing is okay, So you're talking about Disneyland, right, Listen.

987
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: We all have our issues with Disney, Disney or whatever,

988
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: but at the very least Disneyland is based on beloved

989
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: characters that all do.

990
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: Come from true master works.

991
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: Like sure, when you look at old Mickey Mouse cartoons,

992
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: when you watch Disney movies that we grew up with, whatever,

993
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: there is a there there there is to go to

994
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: the signified signifier. There is a signified. The signified is

995
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: these beloved characters. Yes, I think with the Museum of

996
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: ice Cream there is no signified. You go in and

997
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: it's just a general positive vibes. There's nothing that it

998
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: reminds you of. There's nothing that it is like pointing to.

999
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't even really remind you of your childhood because

1000
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: it's not like your going to six Flags or something.

1001
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: There is nothing that it is signifying. It's just like,

1002
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: please look at these colors and don't ask questions.

1003
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's again I think that's the sadness of it,

1004
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: where it's these people that like want to go, they

1005
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: want to do something fun, they have a goal, and

1006
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: they're like, i've seen pictures from this, I hope it's fun.

1007
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: And they get there and they're like, oh, it's just empty,

1008
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 3: like it's just colors. But they don't there. I don't

1009
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: know if they're disappointed. I don't know if they're thinking, oh,

1010
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: it's just empty, Like are they getting that far? Yeah,

1011
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: I have to even if they don't know, I'm empty

1012
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: because of this, I feel like there's a sadness when

1013
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: they leave, Like I have to to think there's a

1014
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: sadness because even they'll post the picture. Of course, you went,

1015
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: you paid the entry for You're going to post the

1016
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 3: picture in the sprinkles and then you're like checking it

1017
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 3: for likes and you're like is it good enough?

1018
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And that's so sad.

1019
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: There's also something about I think one of the darkest

1020
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: parts of our culture is the rise of half humor,

1021
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 2: which is when something gestures it being funny without actually

1022
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: being funny. And I think Museum of Sex, Museum of

1023
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: ice cream, all of these things are semi ironic but

1024
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: don't have the courage to be either fully ironic or

1025
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: fully earnest. And I think that is actually talk about

1026
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: signs of rod. Yeah, I do think it's like, at

1027
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: least if you're going to a museum and going to

1028
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: a truly like a Dega exhibition, okay, that is fully earnest.

1029
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: You are like I am seeing this great painter and

1030
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: I am seeing just NonStop photos of ballerinas. Then on

1031
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: the other side of things, what's something like completely like

1032
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: if you're going, like ironically to a water park, that

1033
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: is like fully you're having fun with You're ironic.

1034
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: That's not rot, is not rock. This is no, no, no.

1035
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Museum of ice cream is like not being able to

1036
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: commit to one or the other. Right, it's shame.

1037
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: It's honestly it's a cultures fair and it's honestly wanting

1038
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: to like dissociate a little bit, like to just be like, well,

1039
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: here we're all ice cream.

1040
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, that's really dark because what like

1041
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: what it's like, why do they call it a museum? Well,

1042
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: and there you go, you know what I mean, Like,

1043
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: why do they have to be like and look, if

1044
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: it were a museum, that's a different story. If there

1045
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: were like installations about like that'd be that could be

1046
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, like the history of ice cream. You know,

1047
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to know? I mean, you know, yeah,

1048
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's storied. I mean, so at least one

1049
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: good room.

1050
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: At least one good room, the first lactose in tolerant

1051
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: girl who started farting after eating.

1052
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but like this is like they have to

1053
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: say that it's a museum so that these people who

1054
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: are like a shame to just have fun, who are

1055
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: like ashamed of like of like of maybe not reaching

1056
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: like certain like milestones that they feel they should have

1057
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: reached by now they they still it's like the air

1058
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: of culture.

1059
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, they have to call it a museum because they're

1060
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: afraid to call it a church. Oh honey, well yes,

1061
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: because what we're actually missing is non commodified spaces for

1062
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: people to congregate. And we all know this and we're

1063
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: getting and what we haven't said the Museum of ice cream.

1064
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back to Reagan, of course, goes well,

1065
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: this goes back to Reagan. It was the Museum of

1066
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: ice Cream was Reagan's last idea, and then he died.

1067
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: He was fully he had full on dementia. He was

1068
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: on his deathbed.

1069
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: Nancy was giving him one last BJ and then he

1070
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: was like and he was like a museum with no art.

1071
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

1072
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: The way that you just described the Museum of ice Cream,

1073
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: it reminds me of an event I went to once

1074
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: that also filled me with sadness.

1075
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: That was at a bar during the day and it

1076
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: was like, you take the sa t excuse me, you take.

1077
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: The SAT as a joke and like see what score

1078
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: you got? And I went and they had like performed

1079
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: I was like performing on it. They would like be

1080
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: like performance breaks and I was just like.

1081
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: This is shocking. Was it a caveat? Of course? It was,

1082
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it was just like what a read.

1083
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: And guess what you don't because they need to know. Yeah,

1084
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 2: there are people out there going to take the sads recreationally.

1085
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: It was just like you have to move on.

1086
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: You are like still so proud of yourself for being

1087
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: good at the SAT.

1088
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: It was so sad, And you know what this web

1089
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: connects to this? These are people who can't see a

1090
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: future for themselves. They can't see a future only in

1091
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: the past. That's why Madam Webb is the ultimate hero. Right,

1092
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: she can see the future sort of, she's imagining queer futures.

1093
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually I think this sort of is important

1094
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: because it doesn't have this this like male confidence of like,

1095
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm gonna go to the moon and

1096
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: plant a flat right. No, it's like maybe tomorrow it

1097
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: might rain.

1098
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well there's a community aspect, yes, of course. It's

1099
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: like her sort of is like she can envision these futures, right,

1100
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: and if it were a man, like probably the man

1101
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: would be like this is happening. Yeah, but she is

1102
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: like I I I'm going to like, I'm going to

1103
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: share that information and then like together we can move forward. Yes,

1104
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: it's a little, it's something. It's an ice. It's like

1105
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe this is it. Now, let's go to the web.

1106
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: From one she has an idea and then she's like

1107
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 2: and then we'll work through it together.

1108
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she apologizes for it, and she apologizes.

1109
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Something you will notice ester when you see the film

1110
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: is that every second word out of her mouth is

1111
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't know all the teen girls keep asking her

1112
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: like why is this happening?

1113
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: Why is this happening? And she's like, girls, I don't know.

1114
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: The most incredible performance the whole movie, the metatext, of course,

1115
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: is I don't know what this movie's about.

1116
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's like, thank you, it's so cool.

1117
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if some of those lines actually were

1118
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: something else. Into coda, Johnson was like, whatever, I.

1119
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: Feel like the character wouldn't know here. Yeah, exactly, there's

1120
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: so much going on. Why is that guy using this?

1121
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's amazing.

1122
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: It's just that for an hour and a half, and

1123
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: then she gets her powers truly within the last like

1124
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: twenty minutes.

1125
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: The only sort of sort of she's like and once

1126
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: again the culture can't commit. Yeah, well, you know what

1127
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: it is.

1128
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, in you know the original Tobe

1129
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: McGuire Spider Man, or for me, in my world the

1130
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: original I know there's more sure, you.

1131
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: Know, he starts getting his powers and he's like trying

1132
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: to climb for the first time.

1133
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: He's figuring it out, and that's like the first that's

1134
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: the end of the first act, because that's how a

1135
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: superhero movie is structured. It's like in your powers, you

1136
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: try to use them, you fail, then you figure them

1137
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: out in Madam Webb, that's the finale.

1138
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is a symptom of this is

1139
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: like capitalistic bloat because it's exact one. But then if

1140
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: you actually take it as said exact well, exactly exactly exactly.

1141
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: It's the way that the whole movie is to get

1142
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: to just the point. She's a normal girl the whole time.

1143
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: But what makes.

1144
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: But what makes it, what makes it camp, is that

1145
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: those sequels will never come. So with this sort of

1146
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: amazing story with no resolution, it's like Ladybird like, it's

1147
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: literally like she she her name, Yes she does.

1148
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: She's actually interested to see if there's a transnarrative you know,

1149
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: well guess what we're not gonna find out. Yeah. Wow,

1150
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to see it. I can't

1151
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: wait to see it. I can't wait to see it.

1152
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: I'd love to if I could just like come on

1153
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: later for like a little ten minute exclud then we

1154
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: are giving my I am okay.

1155
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: With the rest of our patron content forever being about

1156
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: Madame Web.

1157
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: You know what, Madam Web actually inspires so much hope,

1158
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 3: enjoy in me because it's what we're saying about language

1159
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: where it's like what's what's out now, what's in now?

1160
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: It's so nice to have a new thing that everyone

1161
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: is a movie is like this is this is defining

1162
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: the conversation for the year. Well look back on this

1163
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: year and be like, remember when we were laughing about

1164
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: Madame web But yeah, it's gonna be so good.

1165
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: I had the thought and maybe you both had this

1166
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: thought too, because you know you're very smart and plugged

1167
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: in visuals. You know. Well, yo, about like maybe four

1168
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: to five minutes ago, I was like, are we dating

1169
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: this episode in a big way?

1170
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

1171
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, sorry. But the last thing that felt

1172
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: like this how Madam Webb feels is Cats.

1173
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Well people have been saying it's the cats of superhero movies.

1174
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and cats. I actually I still like cats jokes.

1175
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: Like I smile. It was a crazy moment. It was

1176
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: a crazy moment and the fact that that was like

1177
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: everyone's last movie before Lockdown, and like I saw like

1178
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: a like a ten thirty PM at like Lincoln Square, AMC.

1179
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: So we all we're just doing full talk back. Yeah,

1180
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: it was so fun. This is like like I still laugh,

1181
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: I still think fondly on that moment, So I do

1182
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: think something about Madam Webb is and it signifies the

1183
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: death of the superhero. Yeah, which is so great, Like

1184
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: what a way to go, A way to go, A

1185
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: way to go.

1186
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: It didn't end with a bang. It ended with an

1187
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't know with the girlies yeah yeah, yeah, it

1188
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: with Sydney Sweeney being in an aborted prequel for that

1189
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: for bat Girl, No Spider, Spider Spider, Yeah, I.

1190
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: Can't talk about it. Whatever. Interviews incredible.

1191
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: I also I really like the our episodes are so dated,

1192
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: Like I think it's so funny as I journal.

1193
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so topical.

1194
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: What would if you were to make a fake museum?

1195
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: What would the topic be?

1196
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Wow? Great question with a slide in. Good question with

1197
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: the slide.

1198
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: By the way, we haven't addressed the actual slide in

1199
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: case anyone has the problem that I had. So when

1200
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: as the first said this, I hesitated because I thought

1201
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: that she meant slides like a slide show, like a

1202
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: history history museums that have like a slide show.

1203
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: And so I'll be honest, like I saw a wave

1204
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: of confusion come over your face when I shared the

1205
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: topic right before we started recording, and I was I was.

1206
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: I was taken aback because I was like, I feel

1207
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: like this is a perfect totally no. I yes, But

1208
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: then as soon as you understood, then you were like,

1209
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: oh this is rich, you know.

1210
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 3: And when you sanguage I at first I was like, oh,

1211
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: does she mean slides or slides? But then I just

1212
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: use context clues, which can be so so amazing. Ye,

1213
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: contexts are hard for me. So okay, what would I mean?

1214
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: Off the bat?

1215
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, would yours be the Museum of Broadway? Well,

1216
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: that does exist. It does. Oh, there is a Museum

1217
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: of Broadway, and you know that. It's like halfway right.

1218
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: It just has like one bra that Patty Lapone wore.

1219
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has it's a room of like one from

1220
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: every show. It has the padded bra that Rob McClure

1221
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: wore as Missus doubt Fire.

1222
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: You get to take a picture with a playbill on

1223
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: your way out. Yeah.

1224
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: No, well this is the thing. It's like halfway right

1225
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: because I haven't been to it. I haven't been to

1226
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: any of these, but like there's like there is history stuff.

1227
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: But then you take a picture, like there's like a

1228
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: swing that's like themed like hair or something like that.

1229
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: People take pictures with that.

1230
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: So it's sort of what you would get if you

1231
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: were to go to a Broadway show that had a

1232
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: little photo op, but all of them together, Like you know,

1233
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: I remember when I went to Angels in America, Like

1234
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: they had the wings that you could take a photo

1235
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: in from. Yeah, so it's that, but then for every show,

1236
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: and you also don't get to see a show that's right,

1237
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: that's right. I mean, is there a better metaphor for

1238
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: this kind of fake museum than that. It's like it's spectacle. Yes,

1239
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: it's spectacle, but without the spectacle.

1240
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1241
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: I have a question when you are in like a

1242
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: space where it's like you got to the end of

1243
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: the museum, you should take a picture on the hair chair?

1244
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 3: Do you take a picture?

1245
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: Not anymore? Do you? Uh?

1246
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: I will say, I don't know if I actually actually

1247
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: posted it, but I did get a photo with the

1248
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: Angels in America wings when I went with my friend's staff.

1249
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: See this. I am so rocked when put in that

1250
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: situation because I'm like, do I do it? Or am

1251
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: I above it?

1252
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: Because obviously in my mind I'm way above it. But

1253
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 3: and then I'm also like, but I'm human, Right, I

1254
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 3: came to the show.

1255
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: I need proof of it. Well, it's a little bit like, oh, like,

1256
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: what is it? Like, Oh, you hate capitalism, but you

1257
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: have an iPhone? Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like,

1258
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: well you're there. Well you know what else I do?

1259
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 2: And I do this literally with no shame. You better

1260
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: believe I post the playable to my story every single

1261
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 2: time I go to the theater.

1262
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: See, I don't and I don't. I'm not going to

1263
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: be shamed for it. I think there's something about the

1264
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: effemery of the story. Yes, yeah, I know I would

1265
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: never do at adult I do. I love this.

1266
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: I guess what ever, because it's like obviously, I'm also

1267
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: kind of being like, look at me, I'm at a play.

1268
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: But what's also fun about it is that everyone else

1269
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: has seen it then responds and is like, oh my god,

1270
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't El Fanning like so bad?

1271
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just be not bad.

1272
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: We Yeah, I went to Cold Show. Yeah, and I like,

1273
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: I don't go to a theater very often with a playbill.

1274
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, the culture is take

1275
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 1: picture of the real theater.

1276
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 2: People would probably look at me and are like, you're

1277
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: so ghost for doing that, but I don't care.

1278
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 3: It's I felt so much shame and I had to

1279
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: look around and make sure other people were doing it too.

1280
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: Real theater people aren't that cultured anymore. Yeah, you know,

1281
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: real theater. Real theater people are are posting to their grid.

1282
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and the town Yeah yeah, exactly interesting. Well

1283
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: should we do our final segment?

1284
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean none of us have answered my question.

1285
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: I I mean, but also no, no, I can think.

1286
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: It has to because it's a difficult one, because it

1287
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: has to be something essentially bad, like you're creating something

1288
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even yourself on a.

1289
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: Well the one I would fully yeah, I would want

1290
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: like like if there was a hacky way to do

1291
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: like Museum of Gay Guye where if it were like, right,

1292
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: that's really good actually and you could like, yeah, there'd

1293
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Speaker 3: be you know, although there'd be the Fire Island section

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: of like the seventies, and then you'd also like you

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: could walk into like a dance floor and it was like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, is what it was?

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01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 2: Like like a fake Keith Herring mural. Yeah, like Diva's Room,

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Speaker 2: Diva's Room.

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Speaker 1: Div.

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Speaker 2: Like just a room that has like the film the

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: concert film of the Madonna Confessions Tour playing.

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: On a loop. You could get like kind of like

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01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: like exit through their gift shop like poppers, Like yeah, poppers.

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: Like also a giant thing of poppers to do a

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: photo op with. Oh yeah, there'd be like a frame

1306
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: frame jock strap.

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01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: That's a really good idea. Yeah. Well, also, like I

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: kind of want to go like, what's some of the

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01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: like early gay guys like I don't really know like

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01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: gay male history like to yeah, yeah, like like what's

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01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: like turn of the century gay guys. Well, Dandy is like, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think there's like something. I think it's like something

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01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: like really beautiful with like trans women in gay guy history,

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01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: like the way it has intertwined, you know at certain

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Speaker 1: points in history. Absolutely people are like, oh, you're just

1316
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: like crazy people with penis Like we're actually there's a

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: lot a lot of ways found. Yeah wow, okay, wait mine,

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01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a good one. Thank you.

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: This is actually almost this all this actually sort of

1320
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: does exist. I'm thinking of like if you go to

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01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: like Coupercute or something and they have like an exhibition

1322
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: that's like the history of advertising and there's.

1323
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: Like famous ads.

1324
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: Sure, like that does exist and you could argue it

1325
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: is art, right, but there is something about like there's

1326
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: almost like a nineties kids will remember this element like

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: a museum that is basically like BuzzFeed the museum. It's

1328
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: just like artifacts from your childhood, and it's in fact

1329
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: micro targeted so that when you enter a room, it's

1330
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: all things that like bring you back to your childhood.

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01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: It's like a power ranger that's like still in the rapper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: I think that something like that is bound to have

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: on a CEU and it'll be VR because it'll be

1335
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: like algorithmically that's how it's like.

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Speaker 1: So point yeah. So something that I think, like something

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Speaker 1: I really like like like left wing like revolutionary history

1338
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and like protests, and so I

1339
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: think it would be cool and crazy to have like

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: a museum that's like dedicated to that. Yeah, like like

1341
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: radical movements and stuff like that specifically. And there is

1342
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: this extra added layer of darkness that it's being commodified

1343
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: and being reclaimed and recaptured, so dark, and you feel

1344
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: like you're like doing something by going to this like

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: the Museum of Radicality or something.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean that does it's like you will

1347
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 2: occasionally go to like you know, protest art or something. Yeah,

1348
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: and then it'll be like a framed sign from a

1349
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:48,440
Speaker 2: protest right, and then like a photo of people congregating,

1350
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: and then you're also with people, but rather than creating

1351
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: change themselves, are sort of all being like wow, that

1352
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: was powerful.

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like there's an exhibit right now at the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Museum that I really want to go to have

1356
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: like queer zines, and it's like this like radical way

1357
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: of like spreading information within like queer punk communities and

1358
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: stuff that like now is being given this legitimacy, but

1359
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: like also while it's still happening. So I think there's

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 1: like I wonder what that's doing to like the brains

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 1: of the people like like everything that, like you know,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're somewhere in the back of their

1363
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: mind they're like, well, this might be like in a

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Speaker 1: museum one day.

1365
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Speaker 2: Well, I do think this happens so much to the

1366
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 2: act up generation, like it has been that story has

1367
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: now been told so many different times in documentaries, in museums, whatever,

1368
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: that it's so difficult to actually be like, oh that

1369
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 2: was there was a time when that wasn't commodified, right, right,

1370
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Speaker 2: It's hard to remember that and things get left out.

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Speaker 1: And of course the more that it, you know, like

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Speaker 1: people want to talk about the suffragists, they don't want

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: to talk about how to suffragists bombed things. You know

1374
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: WHOA But in your museum, that'll be that whole room

1375
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: you'll get you'll never mind, you'll get you'll get. I

1376
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: mean it would be things like the anarchists, like here's

1377
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,879
Speaker 1: a bomb recipe. It'll be called steal this museum. Oh

1378
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: my god, esther done. There's a future here. That's a

1379
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: million dollar mutual aid fund museum. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

1380
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: Damn wow, thank you to the queersy thing.

1381
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 3: I did have something where I like in a museum

1382
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: when it's like, you know, things from the past, and

1383
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: you're like looking at stuff in like recent past. It's

1384
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: like this is zines from the seventies or something, and

1385
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 3: you're like cool, cool, cool. And then when it gets

1386
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: like and they're.

1387
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: Still being made today.

1388
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 3: And like you see like stuff from like six months ago,

1389
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, don't don't show me that. Yeah,

1390
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: you haven't had time to ruminate on there exactly. Yeah,

1391
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,520
Speaker 3: this one's important later. Yeah, I even they get to contemporary.

1392
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: It's like, who chose that one? Yeah? Is that your friend?

1393
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: Be honest?

1394
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 2: Do you guys know what actually is so part of

1395
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: this conversation, which is when old school museum culture and

1396
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: fake museum culture clashed. When MoMA did the B York exhibition,

1397
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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

1398
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't, So it was like I didn't. I didn't

1399
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: go either.

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: They heavily advertised this and it was going to be

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01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: like B York at it was the B York Show

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01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: at MoMA, and it had and you sort of think, Okay,

1403
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: it'll have some like costumes from her videos whatever, And

1404
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: I don't remember the details, but it was the most

1405
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: like critically panned art show of like all time. Like

1406
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: it was like an embarrassing, humiliating moment for MoMA. It

1407
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: was seen as like them trying so hard and so

1408
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: desperately to like appeal to people that wouldn't otherwise come

1409
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: to a museum. And I do wonder if I don't know,

1410
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: is there a way to like, Let's say you are

1411
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: an old school museum you want to get you blood in,

1412
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: but you don't want to do museum of ice cream?

1413
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: What is a way to do it? By will maintaining

1414
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: some integrity. I think, I guess it is the zine thing. Well,

1415
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: I do think it's the zine thing. Yeah, I think,

1416
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I'll speak to what would get

1417
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: me in, right, is like is more like queer art?

1418
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: Like inclusivity? Yeah, inclusivity, inclusivity. So I guess the answer

1419
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: is just inclusivity.

1420
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, cool, yeah, all right, okay, Yeah, I've

1421
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: heard that's pretty easy to accomplish.

1422
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we solve museums really good. Right now it's kind

1423
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: of filled with light. Yeah, that's amazing. Ye, see you

1424
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: at the Goggenheim. Now we should do our finals. Now

1425
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: we should find a segment. I wish I had one.

1426
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you.

1427
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this

1428
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: segment we piwash is the grand straight oral tradition of

1429
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: the radio shout out, giving a shout out to anything

1430
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: that we enjoy. We will go first, and then and

1431
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: then you, of course, naturally, naturally, I have one. Okay,

1432
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: what's uh, freaks, losers and not to mention perverts. I

1433
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: want to give a shout out to the new Casey

1434
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: Musgraves song Deeper. Well, that's right, I am enjoying this song.

1435
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, like everyone else, I was

1436
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 3: obsessed with Golden Hour album by her, but then the

1437
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 3: next one I was sort of like, yeah, this is fine,

1438
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: and it's sort of you know when you love something

1439
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: by someone so much and then the next one you

1440
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: don't love that much and you're like, did I ever

1441
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 3: like them? What was my what is my relationship with

1442
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: Casey Musgraves? And now this new song came out and

1443
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: I said she's a genius and I said, I'm all in.

1444
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: I was a fool to have ever doubted her. It

1445
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: feels mature, it feels classic, and it feels i'll say

1446
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: it relevant to my current life, which is so groundbreaking

1447
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 3: when stuff is a relative to my current life. So

1448
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 3: shout out to Casey Moose Graves, shout out to the

1449
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 3: new song, and shout out to.

1450
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: Being a gay guy.

1451
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: Wow, really brought it home at the end there, what's

1452
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: up freaks some losers? I want to give a shout

1453
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: out to getting a Manhattan on the rocks. People will

1454
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: tell you you'll need some queer butter tender and they'll

1455
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: say Manhattan that goes in a little koopye coopye glass.

1456
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: I didn't realize we were in you know, occupied Russia.

1457
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: I can do whatever I want. I can get it

1458
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: on I can get it on the rocks if I want.

1459
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: And guess what, then, I'm not drinking lukewarm sort of

1460
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: syrupy whiskey mixture. I'm drinking a delicious iced cocktail. So yes,

1461
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: I draw the line and getting a martini on the rocks.

1462
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm not insane.

1463
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: But guess what, go to a bar, order a rye

1464
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: Manhattan on the rocks and report back because something tells

1465
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: me you're gonna be refreshed and you're gonna be honestly drunk.

1466
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: WHOA. I couldn't disagree more. But really, you would never

1467
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: do that. I get upset when they do that. Yeah,

1468
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I used to be like you.

1469
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: The little fancy glass is half the fun. I actually

1470
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: just wish more drinks came into the fancy the martini

1471
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 3: style glass. But what about surely getting warm, honey the

1472
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 3: right eye drinking, it's not.

1473
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: There's gonna be way split the difference, right, Like one

1474
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: piece of ice one Well, there's nothing more stigmatized in

1475
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: this country than like putting one ice cube.

1476
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: Like when when I will sometimes put one ice Cuban.

1477
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 2: I'll say it a glass of white wine, sue me. Ye,

1478
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: guess what, it keeps a colt. It doesn't change the

1479
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: taste that much.

1480
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: And I have the right to do it. So that's

1481
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: talk about something we should normalize. Do you want to

1482
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: do another shout out? He's curious, all right, time for

1483
01:15:53,360 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: your shot? Okay, Hey, hey, hey America, what's up, gay people?

1484
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: I am loving babies boom, specifically nieces and nephews. So

1485
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: let's give it up for nieces and nephews. Yeah, that's right.

1486
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: I am not going to use the term nibbling. Oh

1487
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: unless I have to, and then I would gladly. Well,

1488
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: go for the record, and that's for the record. But

1489
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound it just it feels we need a

1490
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: different word. Yeah, and maybe we won't get it, and

1491
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: we'll I'll say nibbling. I'm a conservative. I suppose the

1492
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: point is, well, we all are little kids are really cute.

1493
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: My niece is I was like, should I say her name? Yeah?

1494
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess so, yeah, talks that bitch. Her name is Live.

1495
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: She's three years old and she's starting to get to

1496
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: the point where she knows my name and she's like

1497
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: Esta Esta's calling and wants to talk to me on

1498
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: the phone. And it makes me feel really good, and

1499
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: it gives me hope and makes me see the future.

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: Her web connects me all, her web connects me. All.

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: No, that's really That would have been the tagline of

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Speaker 2: the sequel, but they're never gonna make it.

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: No, her web connects me all.

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, I'm I'm about to choke on water. Well, well,

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: thank you for doing the podcast.

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01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: Joy, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for a live show at the Museum

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01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: of ice Cream. Yeah, and you know, get out there

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 2: and go to the MET.

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was like, go to Madam Web, go

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 3: to the Met, Go to Madam Met, go to Miss

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 3: Mama Met.

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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid of looking inside. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I believe in you. Yeah, and don't be don't guess what.

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Speaker 2: You look at a piece of art, you don't immediately

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01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 2: get it, move on to the next one.

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 1: There are so many you don't have to get it.

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01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: It might seem like us three because of the way

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Speaker 1: we're talking. It might seem like we get every piece

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Speaker 1: of art.

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 2: No, I haven't gotten a piece of art. And since

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01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: Madam Webb, honestly we saw it very recently.

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01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna see that and be like, oh,

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01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: that's the first piece of our I got. I didn't

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01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: get anything else. Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, bye bye bye podcast and now want more?

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Speaker 3: Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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Speaker 3: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Created and hosted by George Severis and Sam Taggart.

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hans Sonny and Olivia Aguilar.

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Speaker 3: Co produced by by Wang, Edited and engineered by Adam Avolos.

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Speaker 3: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grove.

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Speaker 1: Same music by Ben Kling