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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: The Colorado Dentist aka the Porny Dentist case goes to

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Speaker 1: a jury and a verdict as the haunting final words

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Speaker 1: of his wife, a dying mother of six comes before

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Speaker 1: the jury as four mistresses testify at his murder trial.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us this Friday Night. A

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Speaker 1: Colorado murder trial jury hears the haunting last words of

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Speaker 1: a mother of six as she died in her hospital bed,

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Speaker 1: and they were why do I heart Angela? The mother

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Speaker 1: of six, was declared brain dead after bring mystery symptoms

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Speaker 1: that started ten days before. According to prosecutors, the dentist

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Speaker 1: Craig poisoned her protein shakes and secretly fed her deadly

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Speaker 1: doses of cyanide, arsenic and more, including the chemical found

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Speaker 1: in eye drops.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately killing her.

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Speaker 1: Also, this jury heard about a slew of mistresses, one

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Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next. Her

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Speaker 1: family ultimately told all brain activity had ceased.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: On the eighth, the day of the.

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Speaker 1: Trial, testimony kicked off from mistress number four, her name

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gore, told the Arapaho County jury. She and the

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Speaker 1: porny dentist flew to Montana from Denver, just a few

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Speaker 1: weeks after they met on a quote sugar dating site

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Speaker 1: called saking dot com. Another so called sugar baby Oh please,

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Speaker 1: testified the previous day that would have been day seven.

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Speaker 1: Then he also took her to Montana. After a third

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Speaker 1: mistress testified, Craig bought her daughter a nine thousand dollars car.

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Speaker 1: All the mistresses agree that Craig was unhappy in his marriage,

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Speaker 1: but claimed a divorce would financially destroy him.

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Speaker 2: You know what else will destroy you?

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Speaker 1: Trips skiing with all of your many mistresses and buying

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Speaker 1: them cars for their daughter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll break you to man.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure the juriot had just about enough of

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Speaker 1: him for mistress's my rear end. What more do we

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Speaker 1: know about the so called porny dentist?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Jackie Howard.

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Speaker 4: The lead up to James Craig trial has been bizarre.

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Speaker 4: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and

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Speaker 4: a crazy action from an attorney who allegedly set his

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Speaker 4: own house on fire. Still, the auroradendus trial finally got

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Speaker 4: under way yesterday. Hundreds of potential jurors were in centennials

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Speaker 4: a Rapahoe County Justice Center, filling out questionnaires and being

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Speaker 4: questioned by attorneys. Forty six year old Craig faces six

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Speaker 4: felony counts murder in the first degree, two counts of

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Speaker 4: solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence, three counts of

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Speaker 4: solicitation to commit perjury in the first degree. Court documents

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Speaker 4: show that Craig jailed on a murder charge of his wife, Angela.

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Speaker 4: Craig still allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress,

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Speaker 4: and even one of his own children to tamper with evidence,

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Speaker 4: to plant it to make it look like Angela Craig

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Speaker 4: wanted to kill herself. Prosecutors say James Craig even made

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Speaker 4: a botched murder for higher attempt on the cases lead

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Speaker 4: detective just before a second attempt at trial last year,

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Speaker 4: Craig allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return

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Speaker 4: for a cover up. Craig insists he ordered poison because

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Speaker 1: Him to what happened to the must just say frisky

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Speaker 1: dentist who had begun yet another sex affair behind his

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Speaker 1: wife's back, clearly not his first, and this with a

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Speaker 1: fellow dental worker, a Texas orthodonist. The dentist accused of

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Speaker 2: That is found in eye drops.

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Speaker 1: Wow, if he put as much thought into fixing his

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Speaker 1: marriage as he did and to how to murder his wife,

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Speaker 1: that probably be the happiest couple on earth. That said,

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Speaker 1: what do we know about what happened to Angela Craig

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Speaker 1: take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: After multiple reason hospital visits, Angela again checked into a

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Speaker 3: hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe headache in dizziness.

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Speaker 3: Around two pm, she had a seizure, her condition rapidly declining,

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Speaker 1: Saturday, joining me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we are learning This mom of six six

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Speaker 1: and she's still really young as well. Apparently, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's host

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Speaker 1: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor

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Speaker 1: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've done all this investigation and research and I learned

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Speaker 1: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds The Bizarre

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Speaker 1: Case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to just

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Speaker 1: start with this young mom, Angela suddenly developed all these symptoms.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can figure out what's wrong with her, and she

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Speaker 1: just bam dies. Now tell me about her original sentence,

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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs Nancy.

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Speaker 5: She got incredibly sick and it wasn't just one time

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Speaker 5: in the hospital. It was multiple times that she was

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Speaker 5: feeling nauseous, that she just didn't feel something was right,

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Speaker 6: It was a.

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Speaker 1: Step Stephan, hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want to

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Speaker 1: go straight out to our shrink.

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Speaker 2: Joining us.

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Speaker 1: In addition to incredible panel of guests joining me, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Chevron Scott, psychotherapist off of the Minds of mass Killers.

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Speaker 1: So much more, Doctor Chavon, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how women's symptoms just get discounted.

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Speaker 2: They come in.

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Speaker 1: I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got this severe headache,

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Speaker 2: You're fine.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 2: You have been called over and over to Angela. What

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Speaker 2: is it? Are all women quote hysterical?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's even something called the w W syndrome, and

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Speaker 7: that stands for whiney women, and medical doctors have been

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, head blowing off right now?

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Speaker 2: The w W syndrome? Is that what you just said? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've read some women doctors have written books about

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Speaker 7: this problem in the medical profession where women are just

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got so much to say about but it

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Speaker 1: will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman, angela mother

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Speaker 1: of six, Okay, back to you. Stephan Tubbs joining me,

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Speaker 1: has research and investigated this case. Just to the detail. Stephan, So,

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Speaker 1: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very, very

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Speaker 5: hell she got sick.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: My stomach feels fine, although at one point she said

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Speaker 1: she had nausea, But my head feels funny and dizzy,

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Speaker 2: I'm dizzy. My eyes don't want to focus.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel right in my No, this is just weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm dizzy in my head. My eyes are working slowly,

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Speaker 2: I feel drugged.

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Speaker 1: Response from husband, the family man, Dennis, Given our history,

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Speaker 1: I know that must be triggering. Just for the record,

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Speaker 1: I didn't drug you. Whoa okay, as Shakespeare said me.

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Speaker 1: That does protest too much, you know, like when a

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Speaker 2: Go, I don't have drugs on me. Anyway, Let's get

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Speaker 8: She was complaining of having a really nasty headache. She

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Speaker 8: these horrendous symptoms. She goes back a few days later,

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Speaker 8: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, HEADI, even some vomiting. Again,

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Speaker 8: condition deteriorate quickly, and there.

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Speaker 1: You see doctor Chevon Scott with us who just dropped

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Speaker 1: a Bombshelle mommie about the WW syndrome, whiny woman syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Now we're on round three. Okay, she's at the hospital

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Speaker 1: her home. Now she codes. I guess that means code

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman

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Speaker 7: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattu is joining me, high profile trial lawyer, TV

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Speaker 1: Legal analysts founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal, former felony prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Eric. Don't you just hate.

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Speaker 1: It when you're own client who's not charged with anything,

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Speaker 1: out of the blue said I didn't drug you, Because

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Speaker 2: Nobody said he did drug anybody, and.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden he goes, just, FYI, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I'm going to need a defense attorney because who would

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the

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Speaker 10: was on the rocks, things were tense, things were dicey,

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Speaker 10: be triggering for both parties. But yeah, the gravity of

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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know how that got popular

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Speaker 1: triggering for both parties? Are you telling me? He the

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Speaker 1: dentist is triggered. What are you talking about? Why she's dead? Okay,

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Speaker 5: This conversation proceeded the death.

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Speaker 10: What I was saying is that, you know, when the

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Speaker 10: relationship is super rocky, sometimes when there are serious medical

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Speaker 10: events that come up, or just serious life events, those

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Speaker 10: things can be can add to the to the tenseness

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Speaker 10: could have been experiencing distress as well, and sometimes things come.

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Speaker 1: Out rocky rocky. That's what you call a string of

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Speaker 1: mistresses rocky. That's more like an earthquake.

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Speaker 10: It is a serious event which just could have further

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Speaker 10: been destabilizing for the relationship when something serious happens, when

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Speaker 10: when your spouse is sick, I think defense is going

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Speaker 10: to argue that, hey, things were really distressing, yours heightened emotionality,

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Speaker 10: and sometimes people just say things that's at least some defense,

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Speaker 10: so likely for him.

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Speaker 2: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 11: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as

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Speaker 11: a Summerbrook dental group. My approach to dentistry begins with

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out.

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Speaker 1: To Feel Waters, former homicide detective from the Houston PD

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Speaker 3: Later, Angela has a severe seizure in her vitals, crash

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Speaker 3: While hospital staff attempt to revive Angela, Craig takes photos

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Speaker 1: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of Arsenic Dds.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've

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Speaker 6: Entirely unusual?

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Speaker 2: Yes, doctor Shayoto.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen someone take photos of their wife

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Shaoto? No, I

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Speaker 2: To doctor chevon Scott, I'm right there.

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Speaker 1: As Stephan Tubbs said, that was when the weirdness was

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it

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Speaker 2: As our loved one was dying. So what in the

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Speaker 7: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,

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Speaker 12: While his wife, Angela is fighting for her life the hospital,

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Speaker 12: her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. James told her

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's so hard.

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Speaker 1: What about when a jury hears about him while his

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Speaker 2: Can't take it.

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Speaker 1: I can't stand to act like we're just friends, but

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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic. It's going to be difficult

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Speaker 5: Be what was going on here, and that.

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Speaker 9: Could be help.

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Speaker 5: The defense posters it to the Jersey.

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Speaker 2: But you know there's another whole thing there.

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment to a doctor chauven Scott,

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Speaker 1: many women would tell not me, but many women would

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Speaker 1: But some women would prefer the husband, if they're going

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Speaker 7: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with somebody,

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Speaker 1: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stefan

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Speaker 2: Well, here they go listen.

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Speaker 2: Craig tells Redfern, if.

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Speaker 3: He really is a friend, he and the remaining office

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Speaker 1: He's red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cop.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: In the Last Days, a jury hands down a verdict

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Speaker 1: and let me tell you right now, I saved it

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Speaker 1: His wife smoothies and other drinks full of syinide arsenic

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with this man? Is he at all

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Speaker 1: Ordering a hit on the detective from behind bars, asking

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Speaker 2: Oh, what more do we.

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Speaker 1: Know about the case? The dominoes begin to fall. What

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan Redford, some would consider him to be the

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Speaker 5: He tells Jim via the cell phone. He says, Jim

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Speaker 5: But it was the package of potassium cyani that was

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Speaker 5: She looks it up. She clicks in her mind, wait

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Speaker 2: By joining me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Toyoto, attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyanide,

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Speaker 6: loss of consciousness, and very rapid depth, parsnick, you tend

443
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 6: to get peripheral neuropathy, get burning in your hands and feet.

444
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 6: It's more of a slow poison. It's really interesting. Is

445
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 6: a tetrahydral zoline, which is interestingly found in eye drops

446
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 6: to get the redness out of your eyes, what they

447
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 6: call an alpha agonist. It causes constriction of blood vessels

448
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 6: and that causes confusion, can cause loss of consciousness, coma,

449
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 6: and that sounds a lot more like the symptoms that

450
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: she was having in the hospital.

451
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: The wife, guys, we look carefully at the movements and

452
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: the actions leading up to her last hospitalization and what

453
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: led up to the previous two hospitalizations.

454
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 14: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or

455
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 14: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they

456
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 14: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies

457
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 14: for breakfast, while Angela delves into getting the kids ready

458
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 14: for the day.

459
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 8: We think he was using to poison angula over the

460
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 8: course of several weeks, actually incutting it in her protein shakes,

461
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 8: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when

462
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 8: she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, nauga. He was sort

463
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 8: of still encouraging her to drink the fluid.

464
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't

465
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten

466
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: stabilized and.

467
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Then he goes out and comes.

468
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: Back and brings her food like a doating husband in

469
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: the hospital and suddenly she goes into seizures.

470
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital.

471
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 9: Remember three different times.

472
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 5: She was in the hospital, three different times. Reading the affidavit,

473
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: which reads like a bad Hollywood script, it looks like

474
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: investigators feel she is consistently being offered the food and

475
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 5: in primary fashion, the protein shakes while she's in And

476
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 5: keep in mind all of these text messages that are

477
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: going back and forth. Do you feel like a smoothie?

478
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 5: Is there anything I can bring you? And this goes

479
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: on for the better part of the month of March.

480
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, are you telling me he would email her

481
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: or text her in the hospital say can I bring

482
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: you a smoothie?

483
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 5: One thousand percent that is in the affidavit. I've seen

484
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital

485
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: three different times. There's text messaging. I mean dozens and

486
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 5: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back

487
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 5: and forth, do you feel like something? What do you

488
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 5: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was

489
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: usually in the form of a smoothie, And.

490
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Then the other shoe drops listen.

491
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy

492
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: with additional toxicology screening test reveal the otherwise healthy mom

493
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrozolene,

494
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no

495
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide,

496
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: the test reveal her cyanide levels increased while she was

497
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: in the hospital.

498
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.

499
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in

500
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 5: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we

501
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: got wored and read the autopsy her levels of cyanide

502
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: increased while she's in the hospital. I mean to me,

503
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: it was and remains unprecedented. I've never heard a story

504
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 5: like that, and doctors didn't know again what they were

505
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 5: looking for, right, And it was just when the domino

506
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: started to fall, and people started to talk the business

507
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: partner that they started to look into. Wait a minute,

508
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: these are the signs of poisoning. And certainly we know

509
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 5: what the autopsy revealed.

510
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, to me, Stephan, it would all blow

511
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: up when the dental assistant opens up a package and

512
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: it's cyanide.

513
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a

514
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 5: ring for Angela. I mean the kakamame. Many stories just

515
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: were over and over.

516
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: Here do you get cyanide? Stefan, You can just order

517
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: it up on Amazon? I mean, where do you get cyanide?

518
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: So one of the two there were purchase orders for

519
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 5: Amazon dot com, which was amazing. I can't believe it

520
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: was either cyanide or the potassium shie.

521
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: That was a joke. Are you serious? You can get

522
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: cyanide on Amazon?

523
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 5: There you go, right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm

524
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 5: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody

525
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: bezos arsenic? Ye, arsenic? Yeah? And then look at this packs.

526
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: Left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he thought he

527
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: was being super smart by having it delivered to the

528
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: dentist office so his wife wouldn't find the arsenic. Right,

529
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: don't open this okay, So what happens Stephan when the

530
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?

531
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 5: I think her eyes about bugged out of her head,

532
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 5: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.

533
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed

534
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: to open that. Well, gts out of the bag. She

535
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again puts

536
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She calls

537
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 5: doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig, and says, uh,

538
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 5: you got a package here, and then that's where you

539
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: pass forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,

540
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 5: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?

541
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 5: And of course the lie was, oh, that's really it's

542
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 5: a gift. It was it was a ring for Angela.

543
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: Well there was no ring inside.

544
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Scioto joining us a renowned physician and lawyer

545
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: and author. Doctor Chiyoto, she couldn't taste something odd in

546
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide

547
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: tastes like.

548
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 6: Arsk is gonna taste sort of him a dialet sort

549
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: of taste or is cyanide really wouldn't Sometimes it is

550
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 6: in order of bitter almonds, So whether or not she

551
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 6: could taste the artsnake or cyanide would really be a

552
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 6: matter of how much was in the shape. His small amount,

553
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 6: you may not taste it.

554
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 8: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.

555
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 8: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,

556
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 8: the one that he owned, and then he had this

557
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 8: alternate email address. I think it was something along the

558
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 8: lines of Jim and wattles at gmail dot com, at

559
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 8: gmail or at AOL or at hotmail dot com. I

560
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 8: don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.

561
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 8: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,

562
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 8: and it was because he made some really terrible investments

563
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 8: in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing.

564
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 5: He gambled.

565
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 8: The family thought these really risky investment choices, and then

566
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 8: by the time we came to find out about him,

567
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 8: he was.

568
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: Really up to his neck.

569
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 8: He filed for personal bankruptcy, he felt, or professional bandkruptcy.

570
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney. Don't you just

571
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: hate it when you're a mastermind. Client just uses a

572
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: fake email to find out all about cyanide and order

573
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Arsenic from Amazon.

574
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: That really worked well, Nancy.

575
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 10: You know that there is a potential alternative explanation as

576
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 10: to why I was doing that, as we've talked about.

577
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 10: His marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.

578
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 10: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, he had a history

579
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 10: of depression. A sinide could be used to hurt others,

580
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 10: but it can also be used to hurt oneself, and

581
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 10: that's something that one might not want to broadcast to

582
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 10: other people and might use surreptitious means to try to procure,

583
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 10: which it sounds like you do.

584
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell

585
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: and I better to inform you about it before you

586
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get the faster

587
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: you talk, And I love that about you. And I'm

588
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.

589
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: But that said, so you're suggesting now, you're just spinning

590
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: it out right like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just

591
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: throwing it at me that he really ordered the cyanide

592
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: in the Arsenic for himself, right.

593
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 10: You just say equally consistent with that?

594
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: What about this?

595
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury

596
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of a deal?

597
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: Dentures for perjury listen.

598
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 15: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig

599
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 15: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly

600
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 15: with several inmates at the arapa Ho Detention Center and

601
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 15: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't

602
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 15: afford implants. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to

603
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 15: his mom the next time he gives a recall Over

604
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 15: the phone.

605
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 9: Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her a.

606
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 15: Brand new set of teeth when he gets out, saying

607
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 15: he's certain to get off because he didn't kill his wife.

608
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 15: Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll give her

609
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 15: more details in a letter.

610
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: So fattest Dancers for Perjury thoughts.

611
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 10: Not the best deal, certainly a bad look. But on

612
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 10: the other hand, defense is going to say, hey, look

613
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 10: he was He's been in jail for a long time,

614
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 10: he's been adamant about his innocence.

615
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 9: He's getting desperate.

616
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 10: He needs to do something to try to change things,

617
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 10: and this is the sort of hair brain scheme he

618
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 10: came up with.

619
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 5: It's problematic, but doesn't mean he committed murder.

620
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that

621
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: about the dancers for perjury scheme? Well, what about haughties

622
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: for dentures? Hatties at O T T I E S

623
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Listen fattest.

624
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 14: In early twenty twenty four, a letter from Craig to

625
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 14: Rebecca Walden, inmate William Walden's mother, was returned to the

626
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 14: Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an offer

627
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 14: to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if she

628
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 14: recruits several young attractive women to pose as Craig's affair partners.

629
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 14: Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell authorities that

630
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 14: Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited them to

631
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 14: help her frame Craig for her murder.

632
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs, where do the hotties enter

633
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the scene?

634
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: In a desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho

635
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 5: County jail, I mean at this point, there's no death

636
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 5: penalty in Colorado. He has nothing to lose. He's been

637
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 5: accused of trying a solicitation for murder of the lead

638
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: detective in this I mean, it's not just the hotties

639
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: or the free teeth or whatever. Jim Craig is trying

640
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: any way that he can, at least according to those

641
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 5: of us following the case closely watching him do whatever

642
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 5: he can to possibly grasp at straws to convince one

643
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 5: juror once this thing finally starts to create that.

644
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 9: Doubt.

645
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 5: But it's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.

646
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 5: I literally less than two weeks ago had a guy

647
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, He says, Hey,

648
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: I was serving in the Appaho County Detention facility with

649
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: Craig until last October. You won't believe what he told me.

650
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 5: He even gave me a letter. It's crazy, and it continues.

651
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: In the letters to Constantiniis, Craig offers a blank check

652
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 4: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs

653
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life,

654
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning

655
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 4: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous

656
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela

657
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides

658
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 4: personal information about his children.

659
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: In an attempt to make their lives seem credible.

660
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I hope you're sitting down.

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Speaker 1: More evidence came in that one of the many, many

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Speaker 1: mistresses of James Craig, the pornie dentist, testified he sent

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Speaker 1: her a photo of his wife as she lied dying

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. What he sent his mistress a photo

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Speaker 1: of his wife in the hospital bed as she was dying.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, oh.

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Speaker 1: He then asked the mistress to come visit him, just

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Speaker 1: a few hours after he learned his wife, the mother

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Speaker 1: of his six children, was brain dead.

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Speaker 2: You know, I convict him right there.

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Speaker 1: I would convict him right there, but there was so

672
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Speaker 1: much more evidence, hard evidence, not me just disliking him.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to Eric Faddis, veteran trial

674
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Speaker 1: lawyer defense attorney. In all seriousness, I've been pulling your

675
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Speaker 1: leg a little bit with the fantastical nature of some

676
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Speaker 1: of the facts.

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Speaker 6: We're learning.

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Speaker 1: But we have a mother of six dead, not just dead,

679
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Speaker 1: but suffering for months from sinaide and arsenic poisoning before

680
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Speaker 1: she died.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you say it's not the husband.

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Speaker 1: I say it is. He's still innocent. He has not

683
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Speaker 1: been proven guilty in a court of law. But let's

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Speaker 1: just take a look at what we're hearing right now.

685
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: Not only did he try to arrange quote Hattie's attractive

686
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: women to claim they were his sex partners to tell

687
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Speaker 1: authorities his dead wife confronted him about his affairs and

688
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Speaker 1: that she was going to commit suicide. So your suicide

689
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Speaker 1: fantasy is actually hatching in the defendant's mind. All right,

690
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Speaker 1: So he's taking your cue. But he's soliciting suborn for

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Speaker 1: lack of a better word, perjury by Hatties to say

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Speaker 1: his dad wife confronted them. Not only that he has

693
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Speaker 1: a dancers for perjury scheme with somebody else. Now we're learning,

694
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Speaker 1: according to Stephan Tubbs, we're learning he tried to order

695
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Speaker 1: a hit on a detective. Have a detective murdered?

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Speaker 2: What about it?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 10: I think what he'll say is that a person who

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Speaker 10: feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded. They

700
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Speaker 10: have been in jail for a long period of time,

701
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Speaker 10: months and months, that they don't feel like they have

702
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Speaker 10: a way to get out, they're going to resort to

703
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Speaker 10: desperate acts. And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey,

704
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Speaker 10: if I eliminate the head honp Show in this investigation,

705
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Speaker 10: perhaps the investigation falls apart. Certainly not lawful, certainly not okay,

706
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Speaker 10: but but also not the same thing as proving him

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Speaker 10: guilty of murdering his wife.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ernestchado joining US, renown physician and author not to

709
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Speaker 1: what does a victim experience as they die from cyanide

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Speaker 1: or arsenic poisoning?

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Speaker 6: Well, if they're they're going to be different. Arsenic is

712
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Speaker 6: going to be sort of a slow, agonizing gap, or

713
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Speaker 6: as cyanide can be very rapid, you're really going to

714
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Speaker 6: end up with sufficient cyanide, you're going to end up

715
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Speaker 6: dying with the moments. So they're really two different types

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Speaker 6: of gap due to two very different.

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Speaker 1: Toxic Pheil Waters joining US former homicide detective Houston p D,

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Speaker 1: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, Phil,

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Speaker 1: you and I have handled a lot of murders, a

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Speaker 1: lot of homicides, be they involuntary voluntary or murder. It

721
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Speaker 1: takes a special kind of mind, would you agree, Phil?

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Speaker 1: This is not getting angry and pulling a gun and shooting.

723
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Speaker 1: This is months and months of planning, a scheming of

724
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Speaker 1: Google searches and lovingly feeding your wife protein shakes laced

725
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Speaker 1: with poison and in watching her suffer, Phil.

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Speaker 9: Well, exactly, you know this is a This is an

727
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 9: evil act on this guy's part. I won't even recognize

728
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 9: him by saying his name, and we see this. This

729
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 9: is he is obsessed with killing his wife, murdering his wife,

730
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Speaker 9: the mother of his six children. And this is something

731
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Speaker 9: that for as you put it, for months has been

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Speaker 9: thinking about this every minute of every day. And so

733
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Speaker 9: when he's going into these search engines and trying to

734
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Speaker 9: figure out what kind of poison is the best one

735
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Speaker 9: to use, and that kind of thing. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 9: It's just I hope he's a better dentist than he

737
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Speaker 9: was a murderer, because what he did is idiotic in

738
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Speaker 9: terms of trying to accomplish the task, which is murder

739
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Speaker 9: his wife and try to have some sort of a

740
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Speaker 9: story that's going to take the suspicion away from you.

741
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Speaker 9: Everything he did in the process here pointed to him.

742
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Speaker 9: So when we get these investigations, we always look for

743
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Speaker 9: affirmative links. We let the evidence take us where we

744
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 9: need to be, and it's always a journey for the truth.

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Speaker 9: In this particular, I listened to the defense with all

746
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Speaker 9: due to respect. These episodes of isolation that we're talking about,

747
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Speaker 9: where you know, he's cheating, that didn't make him a

748
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Speaker 9: murder and so on and so on. This has to

749
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Speaker 9: be looked at in a timeline of events. If we

750
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Speaker 9: can determine when this started, and then of course we

751
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Speaker 9: know where it ended and what were the events that

752
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Speaker 9: occurred in between that got us to that point. You know,

753
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Speaker 9: this taking pictures and so forth of the of his

754
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Speaker 9: wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know, when

755
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Speaker 9: I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone to

756
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Speaker 9: believe that he was going to use those pictures to

757
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Speaker 9: gain some sympathy from the woman that he was wanting

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Speaker 9: to a squire around. So you know, he had a

759
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Speaker 9: purpose for all the things that he did, and it

760
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Speaker 9: was just it was just kind of stupid. Is as

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Speaker 9: stupid does It just continued to get more idiotic as

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Speaker 9: he went through this process, thinking that what people are

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Speaker 9: going to believe this story that he's come up with.

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Speaker 1: And you know another thing, phil as you and I

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Speaker 1: You as a homicide detective, me as a fellony prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: we would go about our business every day not s

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Speaker 1: king that an inmate behind bars is trying to have

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Speaker 1: us killed, have us killed to thwart the investigation. I

769
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Speaker 1: bet you never thought about that while you were detecting.

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Speaker 9: No, when I worked in Narconics, I did have a

771
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Speaker 9: contract put out on me, so I'm a little familiar

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Speaker 9: with it. But we all, for.

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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, we've all gotten death threats. The first one

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Speaker 1: I had was faxed over from the Fulton County Jail.

775
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Didn't take too much to figure that one out. But arrogance, yes, yes,

776
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Speaker 1: the level of arrogance to think he can get away

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Speaker 1: with everything and fix it all by doing a dentures

778
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Speaker 1: for perjury scheme and having the lead detective murdered.

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Speaker 2: This woman is dead and.

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Speaker 1: Probably her last thoughts were Who's going to take care

781
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Speaker 1: of my children?

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors alleged to a jury.

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Speaker 1: James Craig, the Colorado Dennis considered his wife a quote problem.

784
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Speaker 2: Really, he didn't think.

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Speaker 1: That when she gave birth to his six children, Diddy

786
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Speaker 1: and poisoned her with a combination of cyanide arsenic and

787
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: toutra hydrosylene that is in eye drops. It constricts your

788
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: if you put it in your eyes, it constricts the

789
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Speaker 1: veins in your eyes, so you don't see the red

790
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Speaker 1: in your eyes.

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00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: Does the same thing to someone's heart.

792
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Speaker 1: It constricts the blood vessels around the heart and gives

793
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: you a heart attack. Now again, the third oldest child, Annabelle,

794
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Speaker 1: testified about one of his many many plots, including soliciting

795
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Speaker 1: first degree murder and tampering with physical evidence and suborning

796
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: perjury from behind bars. Her dad, she testified under oath,

797
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: called her from behind bars shortly after his arrest and

798
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: asked her to create a deep fake claiming that the

799
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Speaker 1: mom wanted the poisoning the letter that he wrote, admitted

800
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Speaker 1: to pass sex affairs and told the daughter her parents

801
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: had been playing a quote game of chicken with Craig,

802
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: claiming Angela asked him to order the fatal poisons.

803
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: That's when he wanted.

804
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: A quote deep fake video of mom saying she asked

805
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Speaker 1: Craig to order cyanide arsenic and oleander and she was

806
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: going to take it herself, dragging his daughter into this.

807
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: The letter written by him offered instructions including buying a

808
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: cheap laptop, installing a VPN, a private network, and using

809
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: the dark Web, even asking his daughter to set up

810
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: an anonymous email and buying a prepaid visa gift card.

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Speaker 9: I mean.

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00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: Held his own daughter to burn the video onto thumb drives,

813
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: tell investigators she found them amongst her mother's things and

814
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: then destroyed the laptop. He pulled his own.

815
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Speaker 2: Daughter into this.

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00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: Colorado dentist James Craig guilty and the deadly poisoning of

817
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: his wife through her smoothies. Now sentenced to life behind

818
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Speaker 1: bars with no possibility of parole. So now when I

819
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Speaker 1: said Friday Night Special, see this was special.

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Speaker 2: You believe me? Nancy Grace Sonning off goodbye,