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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised. Hey, gang,

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Speaker 1: to meet in person and talk about spooky things. My

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Speaker 1: favorite one Chili autumn night, a man and his wife

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Speaker 1: staff prepared to close. Was the warm weather destination for

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Speaker 1: the winter. After she had gone to bed for the night,

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Speaker 1: he couldn't sleep, so he went exploring the hotel's long,

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Speaker 1: dark corridors. Eventually he found the hotel bar, where a

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Speaker 1: bartender named Grady served him a drinker too. When the

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Speaker 1: man returned back to his room later that night. Inspired

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Speaker 1: air of desolation in its empty rooms. He went into

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Speaker 1: foot tub. What if someone died here, he thought to himself.

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Speaker 1: At that moment, Stephen King knew he had a book

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Speaker 1: to write. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is haunted Road.

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Speaker 1: There may be no hotel more deeply embedded in horror

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Speaker 1: lore than the Stanley, the hotel in Estes Park, Colorado

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Speaker 1: that inspired Stephen King to write The Shining, the book

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Speaker 1: frightening stories of all time, and its sequel, Doctor Sleep.

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Speaker 1: But Stephen King never saw any ghosts in the Stanley Hotel.

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Speaker 1: His experience was totally normal, not paranormal, even if it

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Speaker 1: was extremely spooky. I mean, who wouldn't be creeped out

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Speaker 1: spending the night in a nearly abandoned hotel. The answer

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Speaker 1: is me. I once spent the night as the only

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Speaker 1: guest in the Mount Washington Hotel in New Hampshire, and

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Speaker 1: I digress. The Shining undoubtedly put the hotel in a

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Speaker 1: different stratosphere of fame, though I just want to be clear,

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Speaker 1: the movie wasn't filmed there at all. Stanley Kubrick's version

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Speaker 1: was filmed in Pinewood Studios in London, and the exterior

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Speaker 1: shots of the building are of the Timberline Lodge in Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Long before a certain horror writer passed through its doors,

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Speaker 1: for ghastly apparitions in hotel rooms, and unexplainable things happening

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Speaker 1: all around. In fact, the Stanley more than a century

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Speaker 1: of curious history, and it all started with the tuberculosis epidemic.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen oh three, freelan Oscar Stanley went to the

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Speaker 1: mountains of Colorado with his wife Flora. Stanley, with his

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Speaker 1: twin brother Francis, invented a photographic process they sold to

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Speaker 1: Kodak and the Stanley Steamer train car. But despite his

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Speaker 1: riches and his success, Stanley was suffering from a case

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Speaker 1: of tuberculosis that was quickly killing him. By the time

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Speaker 1: he and Flora departed for the Mountains of Colorado, doctors

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Speaker 1: had told Stanley he only had three months to live.

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Speaker 1: Upon arriving in Estes Park, about an hour and a

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Speaker 1: Stanley made a full recovery, due in part to the

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Speaker 1: crisp mountain air of the Rocky Mountains. You might remember

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Speaker 1: from our Waverley Hills episode that not everyone who went

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Speaker 1: away for a tuberculosis rescue, especially at that Kentucky sanatorium,

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Speaker 1: had such a fortunate fate. Despite his prognosis of having

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Speaker 1: three months to live, Stanley lived another thirty seven. In

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Speaker 1: years before Western settlers arrived, the Estes Park area was

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Speaker 1: not the kind the wealthy inventor was used to. Stanley

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Speaker 1: an Irish earl, Lord Dunraven. The earl had illegally homesteaded

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Speaker 1: June twenty second, n o nine and makes a grand

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Speaker 1: first impression. The main hotel building is built in the

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Speaker 1: Colonial Georgian Revival style, four stories tall and painted mustard

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Speaker 1: The style was a departure from the rustic accommodations otherwise

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Speaker 1: property is sixty eight acres. In addition to the one

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Speaker 1: forty room hotel, there are the manor House, Stanley Hall,

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Speaker 1: the carriage House, the north and south dormitories, the laundry building,

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Speaker 1: maintenance building, and the swimming pool cabana, some of which

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Speaker 1: are connected by underground tunnels. The Stanley cost over five

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to build, over fifteen million dollars in

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Speaker 1: today's money. According to the hotel's history, the first guests

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Speaker 1: was an edifice that withstood comparison to the posh hotels

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Speaker 1: back east. Electric lights, telephones, and suite bathrooms. A staff

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Speaker 1: even more grand. Guests walking in would see a lobby

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Speaker 1: and there's an original Stanley steamer on display in the lobby.

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Speaker 1: The hotel has a bar, dining room, music room, and

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Speaker 1: billiard room, as well as lounges and meeting rooms. As

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Speaker 1: Steve Winston wrote in Western Art and Architecture, the public

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Speaker 1: rooms are filled with dark woods, brass, old West shandel years,

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Speaker 1: period furniture and accessories. Bedrooms are reminiscent of the West's

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Speaker 1: One thing the hotel didn't have when it opened was heat.

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Speaker 1: Stanley designed the resort as a summer only destination for

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Speaker 1: who met there for their twentieth annual meeting. According to

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Speaker 1: the Druggists were loud in their praise of the magnificent establishment.

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Speaker 1: In those early days, many well to do visitors stayed

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Speaker 1: before made your accident shook the hotel. On June nineteen eleven,

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Speaker 1: Room to seventeen, which you might want to remember for later,

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Speaker 1: As barboyer Buck wrote, in the Estes Park Trail Gazette.

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Speaker 1: blue details. The success of the hotel helped Estes Park

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Speaker 1: improve as well as the hotel describes. By nineteen seventeen,

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Speaker 1: that were all in some way thanks to Stanley. The

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Speaker 1: hotel also transported elk from Montana to repopulate the depleted

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Speaker 1: Stanley is sometimes called the grandfather of Estes Park. Stanley

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Speaker 1: nine before reselling it. In the coming decades, the hotel

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Speaker 1: stayed largely the same, with a few improvements. In ninety five,

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Speaker 1: owners installed a swimming pool. Beginning in the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: the hotel began to fall into disrepair. In nineteen eight

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Speaker 1: to its current state. Over the years, the Stanley hosted

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Speaker 1: of foreign dignitaries in Hollywood stars. When Stephen and Tabitha

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Speaker 1: King stayed there in nineteen seventy four, they stayed in

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Speaker 1: set in my mind. Kubrick's film plays NonStop on a

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Speaker 1: only notable person to have stayed in Room two seventeen.

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Speaker 1: When Jim Carrey was in Esta's Park filming classic film

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Speaker 1: was allegedly so spooked that he didn't even last a

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Speaker 1: full night. Today, four hundred thousand people visit the Stanley

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Speaker 1: much smaller scale, which the hotel built in well, four

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Speaker 1: wedding facing event facing have a drink on the porch

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00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a brand. So I think

431
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 1: I just kind of moved on from that, which is

432
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: a bummer because I love the way the ghosts in

433
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: history mesh. But you know, I can definitely understand, and

434
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: it's still an absolutely magical place to visit, absolutely, and

435
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: so you know, I do hope to get back there

436
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, I just us I think

437
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it would just tug at my heart strings a

438
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: little bit. So, but you know, it's also they're not

439
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: the first place to do that. So like I said,

440
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't blame them at all, you know,

441
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: I do kind of send them an email once every

442
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: year or two, just kind of letting them know that

443
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm still here. If they ever decided to take that

444
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: up again, I'd be happy to assist. So but that

445
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: being said, I've had a number of experiences there over

446
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: the years, as I'm sure you have to, which it

447
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: doesn't always make a ton of sense because there hasn't

448
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: been some major tragedy at the Stanley, Like I have

449
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: found a number of deaths over the years of guests

450
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: and things, but you know, it's kind of mostly from

451
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: natural causes. But what do you think is going on

452
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: there exactly? And what are some of the experiences you

453
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: think people could expect to have there? It was, I mean,

454
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: it was very much. One of the most common questions

455
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: that was asked to us was like, why is this

456
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: place as haunted is or even haunted at all? And

457
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: back in the time we sort of kind of attributed

458
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: it to the fact that a lot of people had

459
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: so many happy memories there. I know that my friend

460
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: Aidan Sinclair, who's a magician in residents up there at

461
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: the hotel, he attributes it to like, if there is

462
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: an afterlife, maybe the afterlife is us spending the time

463
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: where we were happy at the most and for a

464
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: lot of people that was to Stanley, especially historically speaking,

465
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: when the hotel was seasonal and it was only open

466
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: in the warmer months. A lot of people would go

467
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: and stay four months at a time back in those days,

468
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: rather than just the occasional weekend or weekday like we

469
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: do now, and so a lot of people I think

470
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: that their Stanley experience was much more embedded than the

471
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: way that we typically look at at resort hotels now

472
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: as being a lot more of a brief stay. So

473
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: I think that there could be some longevity in that regarden,

474
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: just people spending their summers in such a beautiful place

475
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: up there. But more of my kind of current research

476
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: now points towards the liminality of the hotels and how

477
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: people come and go constantly, and there's this kind of

478
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: like movement of this energy, and it's this in between

479
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: space where it feels like a homer residents, but nobody

480
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: stays there for very long, and that seeming to facilitate

481
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: paranormal activity and high strangeness I think could absolutely be

482
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: a factor, and not just the Stanley, but many of

483
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: the hotels out there. It doesn't have to be a

484
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: creepy or unsettling aspect, but just sort of the nature

485
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: of the place contributes to the paroral activity. A lot

486
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: of people used to associate like courts and limestone with

487
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: the hotel, but when we were up there, we found

488
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: that there was not really too much of that going

489
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: on under the hotel. So as far as the mineral explanation,

490
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't hold up quite as well. But I think

491
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: that the liminality and the historical presence of the place

492
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: and the experience for a lot of people probably contributes

493
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: the most to that. Yeah, and I I agree. And

494
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: then I've sometimes wondered because you have this idea that

495
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen King stayed there and came up with

496
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: the shining, and there's so many rumors around that. We

497
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: covered that in the first half of the podcast kind

498
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: of what the reality is with that, but people, I

499
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: think associated it so heavily with the shining and that

500
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: sort of a haunting that it makes me wonder if

501
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: people with that expectation in mind arrived and you know,

502
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of brought that energy with them and almost infused

503
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: a haunting into that hotel, especially when it was being

504
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: so actively investigated. You know, it kind of just became

505
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: this giant thought form or something, because the hauntings were

506
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: so fluid there. I felt like over my years of

507
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: investigating it, it wasn't a lot of really like they

508
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: did get to know us, like I know they knew

509
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: my name over time, but the activity wasn't completely It

510
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: wasn't something you could easily replicate. It changed constantly. Yes, yeah,

511
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's another angle that I think about all

512
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: the time too. It is that sort of thought form

513
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: idea and how much of of hauntings that we're experiencing

514
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: or just from us, the stuff that we're kind of

515
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: psychically or spiritually projecting outwards, and whether that's giving them

516
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: life or giving them form, like actually manifesting that. You

517
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: look at how many people have read the Shining and

518
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: project out of the hotel. How many people even visit

519
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: the hotel and think that the Kubrick movie was filmed

520
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: there totally wasn't Like it doesn't really look the same

521
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: once you compare them side by side. I mean, I

522
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: wonder sometimes maybe this wasn't the platform to to make it.

523
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: But sometimes I wonder if the Stanley is going to

524
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: burn down one day because so many people book spoilers.

525
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: I suppose here like so many people, I read that

526
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: book and like, look at that hotel and are projecting

527
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: that onto it. That you kind of wonder how much

528
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: of that was a factor. I mean, it's certainly put

529
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: it on the map historically, but from a spiritual standpoint,

530
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: it's definitely a big question mark that I think is fascinating, right,

531
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean I never even thought of that, but you

532
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: never know. It is so interesting what I think we

533
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: can manifest just with our mind and expectations. So that

534
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: being said, as far as the activity goes there, I

535
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: have had some of the craziest experiences there. I think

536
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: probably the one that stands out in my mind the most,

537
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: and I still have the video of this. I don't

538
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: know what has become of the carriage house. I feel

539
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: like it has since been has it been renovated or Yeah,

540
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: because that was also on the Historical Buildings What do

541
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: you call that? That slips my mind here, Oh, the

542
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Historical Hotels of America the Register of Historic Places. Yeah,

543
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: I think that the secondary buildings were included on that,

544
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: so they wound up tearing it down, but I think

545
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: that the rebuild had to keep to the certain foundational

546
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: specifications of the original, so that's now a restaurant, and

547
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: that's actually where Aiden's Underground Theater is is underneath where

548
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: the carriage house used to be built. It's very strange

549
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: to see a bit flourishing now after driving by it

550
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: all condemned for so many years. Yeah, and so we

551
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: had I had Aidan on the podcast. He talked about

552
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: the Queen Mary for me, so listeners are definitely familiar

553
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: with him. I mean, that's really interesting. Now I really

554
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: do have to get back and see all of these

555
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: kind of changes. But before that happened, it was that,

556
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: like you were saying, this kind of rundown building that

557
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: it was not open to the public. But we were

558
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: able to investigate it over the years just because I

559
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: became friends with so many people there, and I had

560
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: this experience out there one night multiple but there was

561
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: one night I was out there, I want to say

562
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: it was with Grant Wilson and his wife Rihanna, and

563
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: I think Britt Griffith and we were and maybe Raven actually,

564
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I think Raven might have been there too, and so

565
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: we were just kind of standing we were all watching

566
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: this shadow move in the back corner like oh, most

567
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: like it was kind of avoiding us, but we could

568
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: see it moving very clearly against kind of the moonlight

569
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: coming through the boards in the wall, and then also

570
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: there was light coming in from underneath the doors. Like

571
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: I said, I have this on video, have the sound

572
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: of it. We're standing there and all of a sudden,

573
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: you hear feet in the dirt because the floor was dirt,

574
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: just running like rushing me so fast. You just hear

575
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: dunt dunes like straight like I if that was a

576
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: live person, I would have thought they were going to

577
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: just barrel me over, like tackle me. And you hear

578
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: it just runs straight up to me and just stop.

579
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: And it was very threatening and I stood my ground.

580
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: But I've never experienced anything like that. Since it still

581
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: stands as one of the craziest experiences I've had. And

582
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: the fact that you can hear it, I'll have to

583
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: dig up the recording. I think it's on my MySpace page,

584
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: which tells you how long ago this happened, but it

585
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: is it was wild. I mean, I don't know, did

586
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: you have you had anything like that happened there or

587
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: do you have any ideas of what that could be

588
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: to some And yeah, I investigate the carriage house probably

589
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: two or three times during that time period, and it's

590
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: got a weird vibe in their weird energy. The couple

591
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: of times I was in there, we didn't have too

592
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: much like objectively happen, but there was a sense in

593
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: there that would kind of come and go and creep

594
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: over you and kind of surround you in a way

595
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: that I always attributed to feeling very animalistic and not

596
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: exactly like your typical kind of like a human haunt

597
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: or residual haunt. And maybe this has a lot of

598
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: me projecting an interpretation into it, but it felt kind

599
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: of like that's where certain things that weren't very social

600
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: went to go hang out on the Stanley grounds, you know,

601
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: everywhere else is so busy, like the continent or the

602
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: carriage house. Felt like that was where they were just

603
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of hanging out where nobody went. And that could

604
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: be the animalistic, almost elemental type of energy to that

605
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: could be similar, or I could be relating it to

606
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: another story I had a couple of months after I

607
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: first got to the hotel, myself, the parental investigator at

608
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: the time, Callie and my friend Connor were investigating in

609
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: room two in the manor house. It was one of

610
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: the rare instances that I ashamedly say that I dozed

611
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: off on a ghost hunt right laying had a comfy

612
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: bed at two in the morning. It happens to the

613
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: best of us. Yeah, But I saw the like most vivid,

614
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: clear image pop into my head in this like ten

615
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: seconds that I like kind of gotten into that, you know,

616
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: in between him the gagic state, and it was this weird,

617
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: scary face of like a man's face crossed the pig's

618
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: face with instead of eyes only these two like hollow

619
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: eye sockets. It was very unsettling, but it didn't freak

620
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: me out, Like I didn't feel weird about it. But

621
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: he was standing there almost like I was wearing a

622
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: suit or something, Like I was looking at it like

623
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: through a people on a door or something, and I

624
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: thought it was really weird. Didn't bother me too much.

625
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: But the weird aspect about it was that I think

626
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, Cali was telling that story

627
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: to the resident psychic at the time at the hotel,

628
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: Madame Vera. She she's great, and I think she said

629
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: that she had experienced the exact same thing in that

630
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: exact same room about a year beforehand, and she attributed

631
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: it to being an elemental spirit of the land that

632
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: was there for much longer than the hotel itself, and

633
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: so I thought that was like really interesting in the

634
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: way that it's sort of validated the experience that I

635
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: had had. Was her talking about that as well, and

636
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: so maybe it flavored my perception of it. But I

637
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: think that a lot of that towards the edges of

638
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: the property, so to speak, when it comes to the

639
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: carriage house, makes me wonder how much more is kind

640
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: of going on in that area that could be a

641
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: less human, more elemental, more nature spirit type of energy

642
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: there rather than just kind of the typical hauntings. You know,

643
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: it's funny to me because the Stanley actually draws a

644
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: lot of parallels for me to the Mount Washington Hotel,

645
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: and the Mount Washington has something very similar in their

646
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: Presidential wing that kind of runs around like you can

647
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: hear its footsteps out there at night, and some people

648
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: and this is the new wing, you know, it's not,

649
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, this is a recently built addition, and we've

650
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: always kind of had that same vibe, and it's often

651
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: the mountains, you know, the White Mountains of New hamp

652
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Sure it just makes you wonder, like what comes from

653
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: these places and starts to inhabit these hotels. You know,

654
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting to think about. But yeah, that

655
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: actually really jives with the activity with that running kind

656
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: of like threatening, like in your face kind of activity,

657
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: for sure. I would say also probably high on the

658
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: list of I mean, gosh, I've had some experiences there,

659
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: but high on the list would be I've seen many

660
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: shadow figures in the hallways. The other thing that's happened

661
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: to me many times there is I've had like phantom

662
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: knocks on my room in the middle of the night,

663
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: which is really jarring. Or I've had my furniture but

664
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: I've actually had drawers open on my furniture in my

665
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: room before there too. But the knocks can be a

666
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: lot because you're trying to sleep and it's not people,

667
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: because you're not live ones anyway, because you know you do.

668
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: It's it's like a dun dun dune and you'll run

669
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: up you think there's an emergency and you open the

670
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: door and there's no one there. And I've had it

671
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: happened at least three times there. Yeah, Yeah, and usually

672
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty telling when you know, like if it's another guest,

673
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: like messing with you, because people certainly like to do that,

674
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: but like it's a very creaky hotel. As paroral investigators,

675
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: you kind of get the sense of when it's a

676
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: living human being and when it's not just in the

677
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: pure sense of like hearing footsteps running away or hearing

678
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the laughter, and when it's just kind of the knock

679
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: on its own and europe quick enough to see if

680
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: there's anyone in the hall like it, you know, it's

681
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: something different. Absolutely, I can definitely see why Stephen King

682
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: was inspired to write The Shining after spending a night

683
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: there in the winter. What would you think is maybe

684
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the most kind of interesting, compelling or even frightening experience

685
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: that you've had there? Yeah, I think that the two

686
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: kind of pigman experience that's always been my most memorable one.

687
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: The Stanley was interesting because we had such a unique opportunity,

688
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: as there is in paroral investigators, to repeat, visit, repeat,

689
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: investigate the same location for five years at a time.

690
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: And while there's plenty of hindsight on that, for like

691
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: wishing I did more analysis of whether in time of

692
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: year and all that sort of thing, it was kind

693
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: of more about the collection of the spirits at their

694
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: activity at the end of the day for me, because

695
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: a lot of it wound up being very subtle and

696
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: it's weird. The paramoun experiences, Yeah, they're sticking your brain forever,

697
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: or they start to fade in a weird way. And

698
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: so as as you know, a lot of the craziest

699
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: paramorn experiences are the relatively subtle ones, like not that

700
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: it's subtle, but like hearing the footsteps running up at you,

701
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: like footsteps in general. When you hear them and you

702
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: know exactly what they are and you know that there's

703
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: nobody else in the building, that's like an incredible experience.

704
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: But I think that the Stanley had a lot of

705
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: those kind of things, a lot of objects being rolled

706
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: off of the table. We had. One of those actually

707
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: had a strange escapes. There was a flashlight that was

708
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: rolled off of the ledge of the balcony in the

709
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: concert hall and we're investigating there. A lot of it.

710
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, if you get a good communication through whatever

711
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: device you're using, or a lot of knocks, those can

712
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: be fantastic. And so it was a lot of the

713
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: smaller stuff. I'm not want to like see things you know,

714
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: like shadows or apparitions at the end of hallways whatnot.

715
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: From me, it's about trying to like develop the best

716
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of like communication or interaction with the spirits via

717
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: the devices or Viet Knox or communication in that regard

718
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: is usually what was a little bit more common for me. Well,

719
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: and that kind of leads me to the Estes method,

720
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: which was developed at the Stanley Hotel, hence the name

721
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the Estes Method, and so to kind of rewind on

722
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: that for us. So when you guys first did that,

723
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: I remember you put out a video Adam and I

724
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: were first shooting. This is like a clarification moment for

725
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: all of you. So Adam and I, Adam and I

726
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: were shooting Season one of Kindred, I believe when you

727
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: first kind of developed that method, and so at the

728
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: time it did not have a name. What we were

729
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: fascinated by it. And I remember I wrote you and

730
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to try this on this show

731
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: that we're making. But I promised when it comes out,

732
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: I will give you guys all this credit for coming

733
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: up with this amazing idea, which I did. Like you know,

734
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I I've always championed you guys. Is developing it, but

735
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: it did not have a name at the time, and

736
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: so on the show we started just calling it the

737
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: spirit Box Experiment. Then you guys eventually named it the

738
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: s His Method, which is incredibly fitting. But I think

739
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: by them, we were like in season three, and there's

740
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: never a moment for us to just stop down. You know,

741
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you work in production. You can't just like interject suddenly

742
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of the show and be like, we're

743
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: changing the name of this. So so for everyone, I

744
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that I'm fully aware that they

745
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: we have dubbed that the st His Method, and that

746
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: is what we call it. But we also have, you know,

747
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: millions of viewers who aren't as tuned into the paranormal

748
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: world as the rest of us, and so I think

749
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: if we started it that way from the beginning. But

750
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: just know, like I give full props. I love these guys,

751
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: and so tell me that maybe people don't even know

752
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So tell me what is the

753
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: s His Method and what gave you this idea to

754
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of develop it. Yeah, So essentially the method is

755
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: taking the spirit Box, which is getting through different radio

756
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: stations at varying rate speed where you hear little bits

757
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: of commercials, their music, radio and possibly spirits. It's typically

758
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: like very full of white noise, and it can be

759
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: garbled and it's hard here, so it's very easy to

760
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: sort of hear what you want to hear out of it,

761
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: and we were kind of always on the fence about that.

762
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I'd heard some pretty crazy stuff out of it in

763
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: the past. At the same time, though, like you do

764
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: it enough, especially with with groups of people that are

765
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: just kind of paying for a ghost on every week,

766
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: there's once in a while that the group gets very

767
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: excited about hearing something that clearly was not what the

768
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: what was actually coming out, and so we started thinking

769
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: at some point it was one of those late night

770
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: conversations years before we even gave it the first try,

771
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: where I think I don't even recall whose idea it was,

772
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: so much as just developing in a conversation one night,

773
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the idea of like just plugging headphones into it and

774
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: having that person who's listening to those headphones say what

775
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: they hear through it. But because of the headphones, they

776
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: can't hear the questions that are being asked, and so

777
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: if one of the things that they say that they

778
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: heard through the spirit box matches up as an answer

779
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: to one of those questions, and that's a lot more

780
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: compelling because it takes out the sort of like forcing

781
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: it to have said what you thought it should say.

782
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Element it's either gonna fit or it's not going to fit.

783
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: And so yeah, eventually we gave it a try. We

784
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: were filming a little fun web series that we were

785
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: making at the time called Spirits of the Stanley, and

786
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: so we were doing an investigation one night and we

787
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: wanted to try something different, so we finally grabbed a

788
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: pair of headphones. It was now what it was now.

789
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: They were the only like you know, I think everyone

790
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: used to get the old Apple headphones with their phone

791
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: and then I would cram them in my bag just

792
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: in case the headphones broker died when I was traveling.

793
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: So I crabbed these like really crappy headphones and plugged

794
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: it in. And it was kind of hit and missed

795
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: for a little while. But when my friend Connor Randall

796
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: jumped on, he started getting some pretty interesting stuff and

797
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: that got us kind of excited about it. So eventually

798
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: he is a drummer, and so he had some really

799
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: solid kind of sound isolating headphones that he eventually brought up,

800
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: and then we were getting some kind of funny interactions

801
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: that you know, told us like everybody stand up, you know,

802
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and so we stood up, and I think that sort

803
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: of prompted the idea it's natural to sort of close

804
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: your eyes while you're doing it to concentrate. But that

805
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: sort of gave us the idea that visual cues could

806
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: be happening in the group. And then if we wanted

807
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: to really isolate the person to try to make their

808
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: responses as objective as possible, we should probably blindfold them too.

809
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: So fustly we kind of got the big drummer headphones

810
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: to blindfold and really just dial in to listen to

811
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: the device. Now, what's happening there, Whether it's spirits actually

812
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: coming through on a radio channel, I don't know, but

813
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: there's definitely seems to be an almost meditational element of

814
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: doing it, where it seems that some people do it

815
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: better than others and it can be hard to listen to.

816
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: So perhaps those results are a bit skewed, but Connor

817
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: and Danta new Kirk get a lot better results than

818
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I do, and I've been doing it since the inception

819
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: as well. So whether that's a psychical aspect. I don't

820
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: know we found that as well, Like, and sometimes it

821
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: depends on what we find because we do this all

822
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: the time now, and sometimes I feel like it depends

823
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: on who's talking. Like most of the time I seem

824
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: to be the one that does it, and like sometimes

825
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: there's that kind of sensory deprivation moment. It actually can

826
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: make me sick sometimes if I am under for too long.

827
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: But then sometimes if I'm not getting responses, Adam will

828
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: put on the headphones and suddenly we're having a conversation.

829
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, just depends sometimes, I think on the comfort

830
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: level of the energy or spirit and who they're more

831
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: comfortable talking through. But it really, I think just opened

832
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: up this whole new element to investigations because it went

833
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: from you know, doing like real time e v P

834
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: to having full conversations and it is absolutely mind blowing

835
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: sometimes the results that we get. And I know, for

836
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: us on the show, people always want to hear and

837
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've gotten this too. They want to hear

838
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: what you're hearing and you're in the headphones and we've

839
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: tried it and it's literally just white noise, you know,

840
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: to the viewer at home. You know, they're naturally skeptical,

841
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: as they should be, But I always just tell them,

842
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: like try it yourself, you know, like go go try it.

843
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: It's an interesting gray area with it, because I mean,

844
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting for us to the investigators. But whether

845
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: or not that voicing that answer is on the feet

846
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: or not. I think a lot of people look at

847
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: that skeptically. But if you're truly isolated in the headphones

848
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: from the questions being asked and you're not cheating, it

849
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: doesn't really affect the legitimacy of it, if there's a

850
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: voice there or not, because that speaks towards that, like

851
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: is the subconscious feeding you these words and these answers

852
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: in a psychic fashion that allows your conscious mind to

853
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: like believe that you're hearing them, like it it lets

854
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: the conscious mind relax and maybe lets you be more psychic.

855
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I think that it's telling

856
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: in an interesting fashion of like how it might be

857
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: working in that regard. But I think a lot of

858
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: people want to hear it because they're skeptical, and I'm

859
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm not sure if that's actually going

860
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: to answer your question, because there's a lot of possibilities

861
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, we definitely have kind of decided there

862
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: is some sort of psychic element to it. We have listened,

863
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, we have synked up the audio and listened,

864
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: and I have said an entire sentence that you definitely

865
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: do not hear. I don't know where it comes from,

866
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: because when I'm hearing it, it literally sounds like a

867
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: voice coming through. You know. It always goes kind of

868
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: past just the quick blips of it changing stations, and

869
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: the voices go through that, if that makes sense, they

870
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: extend beyond just the quick changes. What I love is

871
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: like it eliminated a lot of confirmation bias as well,

872
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: because I think we do kind of especially if you

873
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: have any background information on the haunting that you're investigating,

874
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: you kind of start to expect to hear certain words,

875
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: and so if everyone's listening together, it's easy to kind

876
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: of make it have the conversation you want versus isolating yourself.

877
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: But you know, we've done all kinds of experiments with

878
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: it now where you know, I'll pull a ton of

879
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: historical information that Adam doesn't know, and you know, he'll

880
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: go under and I'll ask about him we'll get answers,

881
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: just things that he had no idea occurred, or we've

882
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: even both gone under at once and had like entire

883
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 1: conversations between two spirits that had no idea the other

884
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: existed there. It was this really crazy episode of Kindred

885
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: at the fee House where it was like a mother

886
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: and daughter who were both haunting the same house but

887
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: literally had no idea the other was there. So I

888
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: don't know how that happens, but they had a conversation

889
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, you don't know how it goes.

890
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: You take off your blindfold. Really how was that? And

891
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: we looked at our crew and they were like Jaws drops,

892
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, We're like, well we got It was always

893
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the best barometer of those moments exactly you look at

894
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: them and you're like, is this good? Like what happened?

895
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: So it's just fascinating to me, And I think it's

896
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: also really pushed people to kind of think outside the

897
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: box with their investigative styles, like what else can we

898
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: think of to kind of push the envelope? And so

899
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: I love that that was born of the Stanley Hotel

900
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: and it just makes perfect sense that it would come

901
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah, it always blows my mind when I

902
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: see the hashtag pop up or whatnot and just see

903
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: kind of like how far this thing has spread um

904
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: and how many people are using it. And I think

905
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: it's a very fun experiment for thinking creatively too, because

906
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: you talk about doing two people under at the same time,

907
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: or recording the feed and thinking them up later. You know,

908
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: experiments that we've tried that I'd love to try more

909
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: if I had more opportunity for it of recording a

910
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: session in advance and then having somebody plug into either

911
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: that or the spirit box and seeing as almost sort

912
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: of a debunking experiment, you know, seeing if it's just chance,

913
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: or having a speaker playing the feed while somebody's under

914
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: so you can hear what they're hearing in real time.

915
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: There's so many variations on it that I think, you know,

916
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be a scientist. They're call myself

917
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: scientific because I'm not. But it's fun to inspire sort

918
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: of amateur scientific thinking where you can think about the

919
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: variations on it. You can think about the variables like

920
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: what do you want to control, what do you want

921
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: to change, what do you want to answer? And that's

922
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: always fun to sort of encourage that and see where

923
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: people take it next. Yeah, it raises so many questions

924
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: about what it is that we're even so it's wild.

925
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: But and you know, I will say, years and years

926
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: ago at the Stanley Hotel, I met Frank Sumption. Frank

927
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Sumption is the person who invented the spirit box. He

928
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: invented it to talk to aliens originally, and there are

929
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: a number of his boxes out there. Frank's Box is

930
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: what they're called, and they're very highly sought after in

931
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the paranormal community. But he was a lovely man. He

932
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: was very, very interesting, very interesting. You know, I'll never

933
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: forget me eating him in I want to say, the

934
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: music room and he was there with Bill Murphy, i believe,

935
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: and he had a bunch of his boxes out and

936
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: he was using one of them and it said my

937
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: name like three times. And I was sitting there and

938
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: there are a few of us, and he was like, Amy,

939
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: is there an Amy in here? And I was like,

940
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm right here, maybe you know, but it literally said

941
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: Amy and it kept saying Amy over and over again.

942
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, Amy's a pretty common name. But it's wild

943
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: to like that. My first moment of seeing a Frank's Box,

944
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: a spirit box in action was at the Stanley Hotel

945
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: and now here we are just really furthering what they

946
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: can do. That's perfect, that's awesome. The Frank's Box is

947
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: very strange. If if anyone out there thinks spirit boxes,

948
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: it's like, give him a weird vibe, Like check out

949
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: a Frank's Box sometime. Yeah, so he puts like or

950
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: put like crystals and things in there, and he's got

951
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: this distortion on it. We have one that we use

952
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: on Kindred sometimes and that one actually does make me

953
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: sick a lot because we use it for the s

954
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: to his method a lot, and it does make me

955
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: feel ill for some reason, so we don't use it

956
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: too often. Yeah, they've got a weird tempo, weird sound like.

957
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's a strange thing to listen

958
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: to on loud volume for a long time. Yes, definitely.

959
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: So well, tell me what are you up to? I

960
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: know people have hell your questions, like what is Carl

961
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: up to right now? Where can we find you? How

962
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: can people support you? You can find me on the

963
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: old millennial social media's of Twitter and Instagram just under

964
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: my name Carl Feiffer. But right now, we've got two

965
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: seasons of our show Hellier out. We are slowly working

966
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: away at at season three. Don't expect that anytime soon,

967
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: but it is developing for for those that are excited

968
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: about that. But in the meantime, we definitely do have

969
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: some other exciting projects working. We're in the final, barely

970
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: at the end zone of new documentary project about one

971
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: of Greg and Dana new Kirk's haunted objects, the Krone,

972
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: and that one has been sort of a logistical mess

973
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: with with COVID and with life scheduling and whatnot. But

974
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: that one's almost done and we're hoping to get it

975
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: out in the next couple of months, maybe early next year,

976
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: hopefully at the latest. So that's gonna be the next

977
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: big project that you can't miss. We'll be blowing up

978
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: the internet about it. But otherwise, yeah, for me, it's

979
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: just been a busy summer of just getting client work

980
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: and kind of making up for a couple of quiet

981
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: years from COVID. Really well, hopefully we will catch up soon.

982
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: It's always great to see you in person, but I

983
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: think that people are going to love this conversation. There's

984
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: just so many revelations here It's the perfect season finale

985
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: for season three of Haunted Roads, so I really appreciate it.

986
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: It was a great chat. Thank you for having me

987
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: on and let me talk about all this fun stuff again. Clearly,

988
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel holds a special place in the hearts

989
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: of many a paranormal researcher, including me. It's iconic. It's

990
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: where many of us felt those first moments of curiosity

991
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: about the paranormal. I think and dream of it often,

992
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: and I mean it when I say I hope I'm

993
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: able to get back there soon. This was the season

994
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: three finale of Haunted Road. I want to thank all

995
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: of you for joining us on yet another amazing twelve

996
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: episode as a special treat. Come back next week as

997
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: we drop a bonus live episode recorded at Michigan Para

998
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Con a couple of weeks ago. And also, fear not,

999
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: looks like you've got a lot more Haunted Road in

1000
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: your future. So until next time, I'm Amy Bruney and

1001
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Speaker 1: this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is hosted and written

1002
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Speaker 1: by me Amy Bruney, with additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn

1003
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Speaker 1: and Cassandra day Alba. This show is edited and produced

1004
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Speaker 1: by rema El Kali, with supervising producer Josh Thane and

1005
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. Haunted

1006
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Speaker 1: Road is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Mankey. Learn more about this show

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00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: over at Grim and Mild dot com, and for more

1009
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