1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm here with Kyle 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Olsen and Sarah Broadwater, and today, I mean, there's a 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: few things we wanted to talk about, but you all 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: have heard us talk about Goshen. You've heard me talk 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: about Goshen. It's the Chinese battery factory that is trying 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: to come to the state of Michigan, and there's just 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: been a lot of developments and I wanted to talk 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: about this today because for all of us who are 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: out there saying, how do we protect our local community, 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: what do we have to do to make sure that 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: we're safe, this is a great example of how people 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: have tried to fight back against a corporation that they 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: don't know anything about. And again I will push that 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: this is an environmental issue because every time you have 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: a company that comes in that is making batteries and 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: using this lithium ion and this is these corrosive materials 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: that are going into the manufacturing process, you have the 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: chance of that also going into your groundwater and going 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: into your farms. And this is farmland, so there's certainly 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: a lot of curiosity as to what going in there, 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: and curiosity that has not been satisfied because we're not 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: being told what's going in there. But recently they Goshen 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: has sued the township because they haven't received they haven't 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: received the go ahead, and they want the township to 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: go along with the last agreement that the township had 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: and in that a bunch of text messages came out 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: to be public. And Kyle, I just want you to 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of break that down a little bit because we've 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: seen something that I would say and I think you've 30 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: said as well. This is where you go from a 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: company coming in and the governor signing an NDA and 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of legislators signing an NDA and a lot 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: of things being secret, to realizing that there was true 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: corruption behind the scenes. 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: Right, So, the vice president of the company is based 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: in Michigan. Goshen is a the parent company is Goshen 37 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: high Tech, which is based in China, and the chairman 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: and CEO of that is is a documented Chinese Communist 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: Party member, and if you read their bylaws or their 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: articles of association, it plainly says the company has to 41 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: work with the CCP. So then they have this wholly 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: owned American subsidiary called Goshen, Inc. Which is the one 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: that's trying to build the battery plant in Michigan, and 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: they're also trying to build one in Illinois. And that 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: company that the American subsidiary, had a very cozy relationship 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 2: with the Green Charter Township board and the previous supervisor. 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: And when I say previous, I say that because last 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: fall the residents of Green Charter Township throughout the whole 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: board recalled them and the supervisor and put in a 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: new board. Well, so now they're in court. Goshen and 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: in Green Charter Township are in court because Goshen is 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: arguing that the new township board has to abide by 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: the agreement that was made with the old township board. 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: And because of that, there have been depositions of board members. 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: There have been text messages released between Chuck Thalen, who 56 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: is the vice president of the company, and Jim Chapman, 57 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: who used to be the township supervisor. And there's just 58 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: so the Middlewesterner is publishing a ton of stories related 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: to this. I mean, for example, and I think this 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: really sort of gets to how nasty some of these 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: Chinese companies can be. In the text messages Chuck Thalen 62 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: and Jim Chapman are talking about getting the divorce records 63 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: from eleven years ago of one of their leading critics. 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: I would assume, and I asked the company and they 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: said they won't wouldn't talk about it. I assume it's 66 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: because they wanted to smell or her reputation. I mean, 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: why else would you go to a county courthouse and 68 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: dig up these records except to, you know, make somebody 69 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: look bad. 70 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Well, and this is Laurie who had the she had 71 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: a rally, Yeah, Lorii Brock who recently had a rally 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: for JD Vance on her property because she owns a 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: farm nearby. And to be clear, the local farmers are concerned. 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: They don't know whether this is a company that's going to, 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: like I said, have environmental issues. They're taking more water 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: than Nesley, and we had a huge environmental kerfuffle over 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: them taking that Nestley taking that kind of water. They 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: sell water like they're taking the water and they're going 79 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: to be doing something else with it. So the local 80 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: people were incredibly concerned about this. Also just the Chinese 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: connection to the Communist Party all of that. So she 82 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: has been a critic, but I mean, Sarah, you were 83 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: even pointing out that they're calling to see if they 84 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: could figure out a way to get her arrested. I mean, 85 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: this is pretty sick. 86 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 3: Well, and this is also I mean, she, if my 87 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: memory is correct, she's had the local government called on 88 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: her and complaints lodged against her and her horse farm 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: that ended up when they investigated not to be true. 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: But these text messages to me proved that there was 91 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: actually a concerted effort to take her down, and not 92 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: just by the company, but by our state government too. 93 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: Correct. So when so her horse farm is directly across 94 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: the street from where Goshen wants to build the plant, 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: and so she her business is that she raises horses 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: and sells them, and someone filed an environmental complaint stating 97 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: that because she has a creek that runs near her property, 98 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: that the horse manure was polluting the creek, and the 99 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: Gretchen Whitmer administration actually went to her property to investigate 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: whether or not Lori Brock's horses were polluting the environment, 101 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: which is a great irony because here she's got horses 102 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: animals that were being accused of polluting the environment, and 103 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: there was quickly a state investigation. But there has been 104 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: no state investigation to determine whether or not Goshen would 105 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: be polluting the environment. 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to go off on a little 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: tangent here because I think this is where these environmental 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: agencies when they are led by progressives who want to 109 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: make things an issue that aren't an issue, They're not 110 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: focused on what is actually a potential issue, like they 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: are not focused on Goshen. But here in Michigan, when 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: I was running for office, stories like Lori Brocks were 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: not unusual. We had cherry farmers up north who told 114 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: me that they had EAGLE, that's our environmental agents, like 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: our local EPA or our state EPA. They had EGLE 116 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: called on them because they were hosing down their equipment 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: and they were told that if you hose cherry juice 118 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: off of your equipment, because it is like there's citric 119 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: acid in it or something, it's acidic of some sort, 120 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: it goes into the local water supply. And they were 121 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: fined for hosing off their corner. Like, what are you 122 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna do? They can't hose off their cherry, their cherry 123 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: juice that literally falls from cherry trees onto the ground, 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: they can't hose it off and they and they got fines. 125 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: And so this past year we had multiple cherry farms 126 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: that just folded. They just closed up shop and said, 127 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: we're done. We're not going to deal with this anymore. 128 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: It's too hard. I mean, it's been the same thing 129 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: with dairy farmers have struggled in the state. And we 130 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: even had a pickle group who was struggling in the 131 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: state because they had some they had salt water that 132 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: was going into the ground and they said, all the 133 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: environmental tests were fine, but they had to go through 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: this all of us rigamarole, and they finally got that cleared. 135 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: But this is an example of these environmental agencies going 136 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: after individuals who are doing the right thing, and if 137 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and if they have a problem, they're meeting them where 138 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: they are Okay, what can we do? What can we do? 139 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: Somehow this big Chinese factory doesn't have to go through this. 140 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: And I want to say I find this interesting because 141 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg did an article on these electric vehicle battery plants 142 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: and they said, you know, we've never made these batteries. 143 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: This was just in July. We've never made these batteries 144 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: in the United States before. And we're finding out that 145 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Ohsha doesn't even have safety requirements to make these batteries, 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: which as a manufacturer, I find that interesting, Like, Ohsha 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: doesn't know what these chemicals are because we've never used 148 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: them before. And they said they've been seeing some horrific 149 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: injuries because they're pouring battery acid into these batteries, you know, 150 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: and this is very corrosive, he said. We've seen injuries 151 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: where it's touched someone's arm, burned all the way through 152 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: the arm, through the bone and everything they said. And 153 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: then we're not hearing any of these things, you know, 154 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: we don't hear about this. So because OSHA doesn't have standards, 155 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the EPA also doesn't have standards because we've never dealt 156 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: with this stuff before. And so this is where I 157 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: feel like renewable resources. When people talk about renewable energy, 158 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: like I think there's there's very few people who say 159 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to progress in this area, we don't 160 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: want to find something better and cleaner. We're always looking 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: for something better and cleaner, but also responsible and making 162 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: sure that we're doing the right thing, that we're not 163 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: just jumping into the next fad because it sounds good, 164 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: but ultimately we solve one problem and create a whole 165 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: nother one because you know, we're just reading today that 166 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: the local lake in our town is suddenly showing signs 167 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: of pe foss because an old manufacturing facility is being 168 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 1: reconstructed or they're redoing that property, and suddenly that those chemicals, 169 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: those forever chemicals are going into our local lake. Like 170 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: this is not the thing that bothers me is these 171 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: are not things that you can clean up easily. So 172 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: don't make the mistake in the first place. When you 173 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: have a group like Bloomberg News that's coming out and going, eh, 174 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: you know what, Actually, we don't know the dangers of 175 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: these chemicals. We don't know how dangerous it is to 176 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: how dangerous it is to the employee. We don't know 177 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: how to keep them safe working with it. And we 178 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: know that in China we see high cases of cancers 179 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: and other livered failure and other issues when people are 180 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: dealing with these chemicals. If you have OSHA and the EPA, see, 181 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: we don't know how to keep people safe. These are 182 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: issues that could go on for long, long lasting periods 183 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: of time. So you know, why don't we have the 184 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: elon musks of the world coming out and telling us, well, 185 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like he's building a safe product, 186 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: we believe. So, what is happening in Texas? And how 187 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: do we make sure that what's happening in Michigan from 188 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: the Chinese company that doesn't have to abide by the 189 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: same laws, by the same environmental laws as we do 190 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: in the United States, how do we ensure that they 191 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: are using the correct practices to keep people safe? 192 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: We call them the climate and I genuinely wonder is 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: it do they know these things? Are they totally oblivious 194 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: to them? Or are they just unwilling to come to 195 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: terms with the fact now that maybe they made these 196 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: decisions before they rushed all having all the answers, and 197 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: they're so unwilling now to back down from them, because 198 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: you think about it, Whimer, all of them have been 199 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: so big on bringing this plant there. Do they clearly 200 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: know there's issues? Why is everyone so unwilling to say, ll, 201 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: let's take a step back, Like what do they have 202 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: on them that they are forced into this? 203 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: Right? Well, and there's these situations. You take Green Charter Township, 204 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: it's a very rural township near the middle of Michigan, 205 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: about three thousand residents. You know, the big issues there 206 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: are you know, trash collection, making sure the water and 207 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: sewer or you know, those sorts of things are are operational. 208 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: Those are the big issues at the township board meeting. 209 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: But yet, when you've got a company that wants to 210 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: build a two billion dollar plant and has not only 211 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: taxpayer money but Chinese money behind it, and they're willing 212 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: to throw it around, that can create serious conflicts. And 213 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: in an area where you don't see you know, there's 214 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: not skyscrapers, there's not massive you know, lots of wealthy 215 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: people and stuff and all of that. And so, for example, 216 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: one of the properties that Goshen is under contract to 217 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: purchase is the property of a now former township trustee, 218 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: Dale Jernstead, and his property it's about seventy acres within 219 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: the footprint of what Goshen is trying to where they're 220 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: trying to build, and in twenty twenty two, his property 221 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: the assessed value was one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, 222 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: and he says, according to these depositions, it's a hayfield. 223 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: And Goshen goes to him and offers him two million 224 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: dollars for a piece of property that's worth one hundred 225 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: and eighty thousand dollars, and of course he accepts it. 226 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: And then he's been for the last eighteen months, he's 227 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: been dancing around whether or not he was under contract 228 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: with them and wouldn't talk about it, and he legally 229 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: couldn't because he had a non disclosure agreement. He couldn't 230 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: talk about the purchase price and everything. 231 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: But he's still voting on the board, that's correct. 232 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: So then so he not only is getting eleven times 233 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: what it's worth, and in other situations that would be 234 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: considered a bribe. I'm not saying that, but that's what 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: it would be considered. And so then yes, he is 236 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: under contract for this company to purchase his property. He 237 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: now has a financial incentive, a motive to make sure 238 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: this project goes through. And so what does he do. 239 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: He's sitting on the board and he keeps voting on 240 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: resolutions and decisions that positively affect the project. 241 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: Well, look at. 242 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: What's happening like in New York right now with Kathy 243 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: Hokle's administration and Mayor Adams for that matter too. They're 244 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: all being investigated for potential international ties. And that one 245 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: woman that was just investigated and brought in is directly 246 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: linked to China and the CCP. Right, So this it's 247 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: naive of us to think that it's not happening. If 248 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: it's happening in New York City, it's certainly happening in 249 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: other places. And you could argue that maybe the New 250 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: York City folks are more savvy to some of this, 251 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: even but I mean, it's just they're taking over small towns, 252 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: big towns, whatever it is, and they're weaseling their way 253 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: in regardless. 254 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: And there's so many reasons why we have to be 255 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: concerned about an enemy country coming in. Let's take a 256 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,359 Speaker 1: quick commercial break. We'll continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. 257 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: I think that the place that Trump will be rallying 258 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: this week in Michigan is a Norwegian company, or it's 259 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: some it's it's a company that came here under the 260 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: trumpet minut from another country, a friendly country, you know, 261 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: and they decided to put their manufacturing plant in Michigan. 262 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: What a wind for us, you know. To me, that 263 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: is a huge win to have a company say we 264 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: want to have a headquarters in the United States. We're 265 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: going to put that in Michigan. They're a friendly country. 266 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: They have the same practices that we have. They want 267 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: to be environmentally friendly, we can make sure that they are. 268 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: That is a huge difference between a country that has 269 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: no environmental practices whatsoever. Ninety percent of their groundwater is 270 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: destroyed undrinkable, and I think it's fifty percent that you 271 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: can't even use for agricultural use. This is a country 272 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: that China is a country that has already environmentally destroyed themselves. 273 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: They come here, they potentially bribe whatever they are giving 274 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: this man a massive amount of money for his property. 275 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: A tough position to put this guy in, because remember 276 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: we had a young man on the broadcast a few 277 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: weeks ago who's was a farmer and he wrote the 278 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: book land Rich, Cash Poor. This is the situation now. 279 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: We don't have leaders anymore who understand food security, who 280 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: understand the importance of our farmland. And because they see 281 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: land and they're like, oh, we can solve the energy 282 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: problem with this land, they're just causing a new problem 283 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: with food security. They potentially put a disastrous company on 284 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: this land that could could cause these chemicals for eternity 285 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: to be in our soil and wreck our soil. And 286 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: there's no there's no investigation. But to your point, Kyle, 287 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: if this was a bribe, if there and these text 288 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: messages indicate that there is corruption at the very least 289 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: there is corruption going on, then I hope that the 290 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: Attorney General of Michigan will say I'm going to look 291 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: at this, and right now, I would say that she 292 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: has every reason too. I mean, gretch Winmer does and 293 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: have her back when she has to do her job. 294 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: We just saw that last week when Rashida to leave. 295 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: Trash is the attorney general for arresting people who put 296 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: our students in danger. You know, I mean, obviously Dana 297 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: and Nessel and I don't agree on a lot, but 298 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: she did her job. She went out there, she did 299 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: her job. She arrested people who put our kids in danger. 300 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: Like who's not on board with that? I think everybody 301 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: agrees with taking making sure that our college students are safe. 302 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: When Gretchen Whitmer was asked, said, I'm not going to 303 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: get in the middle of her fight with Rashida to leave. 304 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: What the heck? Are you the leader of the state 305 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: or not? Do you want to keep people safe or not? 306 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: So you know what, if Dana Nessel is going to 307 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: be blown off by her own governor. She might as 308 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: well investigate this deal because this is what the Attorney 309 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: general is here for, to keep us safe in all 310 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: areas well. 311 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 3: And this is an area too where Donald Trump is 312 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: leading in comparison, you know, to Tamala Harris is talking 313 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: about her opportunity economy. I think it's just this week 314 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: Donald Trump announced that he's going to have a I 315 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: don't know the exact title. We'll call it a manufacturing czar, 316 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: because you know Kama was, the borders are whatever. That 317 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: he's going to have someone that specifically their duty will 318 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: be to go to companies throughout the US and internationally 319 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: that are friendly countries and encourage them to do business, 320 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: whether it's giving them certain benefits from the tax breaks, 321 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: whatever it is. But he's going to specifically appoint someone 322 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: to do this, whereas Whitmer can only get China to 323 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 3: come in. 324 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the thing about China too is 325 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: because it's a dictatorship. There's one person that matters, and 326 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: if he wants to and if she wants to get 327 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: his way, he's going to do whatever it takes to 328 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: get his way. And so having a plant like this 329 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: in the middle of Michigan. I think that they'll do 330 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: whatever it takes, and if they've got to give someone 331 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: two million dollars, they'll do that. There were depositions indicating 332 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: that there were other board members who either had jobs 333 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: lined up with Goshen or we're going to get them 334 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: if the if they were thrown out of office. 335 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: That's a good point on they're willing to do anything, 336 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: because it shook to me it shows that it's not 337 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: really a business decision for them. I mean, a normal 338 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: business would say we're not going to pay eleven times 339 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 3: the value of something if it's purely we're looking at 340 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: P and L like that. That's just not how a 341 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: business operates. So there's some to me that proves there's 342 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: something more nefarious, or they have our tax payer monies 343 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: and they don't care how they spend them. 344 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Either way, And where are the batteries going at least 345 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: Ford and Cattle. You know, we know that Cattle is 346 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: connected to the Chinese, but we also there's a partnership 347 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: with Ford. Who is Goshen selling these two that's never 348 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: been disclosed. 349 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: Goshen has a relationship with Volkswagen. So theoretically the batteries 350 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 2: are going to go to Volkswagen. But the issue is 351 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: the closest Volkswagen plant is in Tennessee, which is I 352 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: don't know how many miles it is, but that's eight 353 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: hours away. 354 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: How very green of them to transport the battery. 355 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: Right, So, if Goshen is going to build a plant 356 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: in America, don't you think you would want to be 357 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: as close to your assembly plant as you possibly could. 358 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: I mean, that's common sense. But see what happened was 359 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: Chuck Dalen lives in the Costa County where he wants 360 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: to put this, and he has said publicly that he 361 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: views this whole Chinese battery plant as sort of a 362 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 2: gift to the community, so everyone there can have jobs. 363 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: That's the only reason that it's going there. And some 364 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: of these other text messages showed that he was trying 365 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: his wife, Chuck Dalen's wife was trying to give a 366 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars campaign contribution to Jim Chapman, the supervisor, 367 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: while they were negotiating an agreement between Goshen and the township. 368 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: Now again, I'm not saying that's a bribe. What I'm 369 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: saying is that twelve hundred dollars is a lot of 370 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: money in a township supervisor race, and the timing is 371 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: very questionable. And I understand from a political perspective why 372 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: Dana Nessel is not going to look into any of this, 373 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: because this is Gretchen Whitmer's, you know, one of her 374 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: key projects, and therefore Dana Nessil's going to look the 375 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: other way. But the Macosta County Prosecutor could certainly be 376 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: looking at whether or not there is corruption in the 377 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: previous board, and if there is, what's going to be 378 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: done about it. 379 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: But this could just be such a huge win for 380 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Dana and Nessel to say, you know what, I'm going 381 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: to put politics aside and come to the aid of 382 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: the people who are wondering what exactly is going on, 383 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: because like I said, I mean, maybe it's going to Volkswagen. 384 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: Maybe they're being transported to Tennessee. Why why on our 385 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: roads that aren't that great, We're going to end up 386 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: with these heavy batteries because every electric vehicle is thirty 387 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: percent heavier than a gas powered vehicle. Because these batteries 388 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: are so outrageously heavy, So you can pay all of 389 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: that in freight move these batteries down to Tennessee. But secondly, 390 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: who is going to say, what is the national security implication? 391 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: And that was originally what we said. You've got China 392 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: coming here buying up our land. We don't let them. 393 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: They don't let us buy land in China. They don't 394 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: let that happen. They're going to buy our land. They're 395 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: going to be one hundred miles from a military base, 396 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: They're going to be watching what we're doing. And they're 397 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: already threatening our citizens. I mean, that's the crazy thing. 398 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: They've already tried to threaten our citizens on the ground. 399 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: So at this point, I'm like, you know what, we 400 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: got to be done with this. This cannot occur. But 401 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: Gretchen Wimmer has no wins. I mean, Gretchen Whitmer right 402 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: now is focused on making cringey social media videos. And 403 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: when I ran for office against her, we were told 404 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: she was bringing in remember when it was there were 405 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: going to be thirty thousand automotive jobs. So they started 406 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: reporting Gretchen Whitmer has increased automotive jobs by thirty thousand. 407 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: They were promised over the next. 408 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: Ten year announced. That was the actual word they used, 409 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: was announced, Yeah. 410 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: Over ten years time, that would be the case. I 411 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: think we've lost even more since then. I don't think 412 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: we've added a single one. 413 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: There were another in Macomb County. Stalantis announced just I 414 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: think yesterday announced they're laying off another two hundred people. 415 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: Interesting how these announcements for jobs they keep coming, these 416 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: announcements a month out from election day. 417 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: M hm. 418 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: They don't do anything for two years of a cycle, 419 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: and then in the last month suddenly they have announced 420 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: jobs that never come to fruition. And by the time 421 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 3: the next election comes along, they've not come to fruition 422 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: at all. They got a new announcement. No one actually 423 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: is checking to see if the jobs are there or 424 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: the tax payer moneies went. 425 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: Right because Goshen was announced September of twenty twenty two, 426 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: and it was, you know, this huge press release and 427 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: the media just ate it up. I know you did 428 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: interviews about it, and you know even they quote unquote 429 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: conservative media couldn't believe that you could be opposed to 430 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: you know, economic development like that. But so the point 431 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: is here we are four years later, no two years later, 432 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 2: and they've they have not they illegally broke broke down. 433 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: They illegally cut down some trees to start breaking ground, 434 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: but they really have not even broken ground yet. 435 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: No. I mean, I look at this and I think 436 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: historically Michigan was the car builder. We assembled vehicles that 437 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: we had major assembly plants. Many of those assembly plants 438 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: have closed. Instead of us getting more assembly plants, we're 439 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: getting battery factories, which again battery factories from companies that 440 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: are connected. Both are connected to the Chinese. We don't 441 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of vision into them. When I'll tell 442 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: you again, when I sat in the manufacturer's meeting and 443 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: they said, will you sign these NDAs, I said, I want. 444 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that if you're using taxpayer money, there shouldn't 445 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: be an NDA. And they said, oh, we can't have 446 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: our private information. I said, you can redact things, but 447 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: you can't have an NDA so that people can't see 448 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: what their money is going to whatsoever. And they were 449 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: just appalled because they want to be able to take 450 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars and do whatever they want with them. But 451 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: I think that the American people deserve to know how 452 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: their money is being spent. And if you're bringing a 453 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: toxic corporation into the state. And when I say toxic, 454 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean toxic from a national security standpoint and toxic 455 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: from an environmental standpoint. 456 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 3: You want to go back to something you said about 457 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: Dana Nessel, because you talk about this could be a 458 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: great win for her, but she's obviously not going to 459 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: go after her own party. And it's funny because her 460 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 3: Jocelyn Benson, even Gretchen Whitmer, they talk about working across 461 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 3: the aisle and their nonpartisan and these are roles where 462 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: they're just looking out for the person that needs it 463 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: most well. I mean, when Goshen first was announced, you 464 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: criticized Republicans as well for their role in bringing this 465 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: to this time and I heard about it, yeah, and 466 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: you heard about it a lot. But I just think 467 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: we've gotten so past the point of like, you cannot 468 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: criticize your if you fall out of line. And I'll 469 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 3: say this is on both sides, but wouldn't you rather 470 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: have a leader that when something is wrong, regardless of 471 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 3: what party it is, they say it's wrong. And so 472 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: Dana Nessel, to your point on the where she's calling 473 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 3: out the Palestinian protesters who are breaking the law, Democrats 474 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: may not like her doing that. Gretchen Whitmer clearly didn't 475 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 3: like her doing that because she was asked about it 476 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 3: on CNN, But she did do it, and so it's like, 477 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: how can we get them both sides to take the 478 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: next step and actually say these things are wrong? 479 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Well, look at it. I mean, you bring up Jocelyn Benson. 480 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: She is the Secretary of State in Michigan. She has 481 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: called herself like the number one defender of democracy, and 482 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: so let me define that. She has a shirt that 483 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: says it too. Even Yeah, so let's define what that means. 484 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: If you're a Democrat, that means do whatever it takes 485 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: to make sure Donald Trump doesn't get elected. Because that's 486 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Now. It's nothing more than that. 487 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: It's pathetic, but it's truly happening. It's incredibly dangerous to 488 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: see what they've been able to do in the state 489 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: of Michigan and the things that she's been able to do, 490 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that she has no problem with going 491 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: on national media and threatening people in the state. Again, 492 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: if you so much as question us, we'll arrest you. 493 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, she said, we will have people arrested and 494 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: we will come for you. 495 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: And I would say, the funny thing about that is, though, 496 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: is Donald Trump essentially like a week later, issued a 497 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 3: similar truth social post where he said something similar to 498 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: Joscelyn Benson, and it was like, Oh my gosh, this 499 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: man hates democracy. He's going to jail his opponents. But 500 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 3: when Jocelyn Benson says it, it's, Oh, my goodness, this 501 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: is the greatest thing ever. 502 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: And the thing is that she has the power. You know, 503 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: she's in the position of being the secretary of State. 504 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: She can launch investigations, she can ask the attorney general 505 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: to go after people. She can ruin people's lives if 506 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: she chooses to. And you know, I was thinking about 507 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: this yesterday. They have so many of us on this 508 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: page of election deniers. It's like they have created this 509 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: terminology to box everybody out who has run for off. 510 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: It's like you're this, you're now you have this label. 511 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: But look at this woman. She has broken the rules 512 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: multiple times. She's lost I think eight lawsuits now of 513 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: things that she's tried to do. She's an attorney, so 514 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: she knew they were illegal. She knew they were unconstitutional 515 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: when she tried to do them, and she did them anyway, 516 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, that's incredibly dangerous. When you 517 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: have someone who is maliciously altering the law or trying 518 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: to alter the law, go against the law, and break 519 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: the law. And she is also she's threatened people. But 520 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: if you look at what she's she's doing, just with 521 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: this latest situation, she said she wouldn't take RFK off 522 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: the ballot. He asked to be removed. She refused to 523 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: move him from the ballot. She refused to put Cornell 524 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: West on the ballot. So she Cornell West should be 525 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: on the ballot. He's not. RFK should be off the ballot. 526 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: He's on. She went to the Court of Appeals. Now, 527 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: if you were just looking for a legal opinion, if 528 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: you are jos Minson, you're just looking for a legal opinion. 529 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: The Court of Appeal says, no, he you should take 530 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: him off. She doesn't. She goes to the Supreme Court, 531 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: and then she gets her decision. And the person who 532 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: claimed one once upon a time that she would be 533 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: totally nonpartisan and would sign a pledge of nonpartisanship, she 534 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: gave almost one hundred thousand dollars to candidates for the 535 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. That seems a little awkward. 536 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 3: Democrat candidate, Yeah, for the Supreme. 537 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: Court only right, Yes, yeah, it's I don't think it's 538 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: I think I don't think it's any more complicated than 539 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: you had rfk who did not want to be on 540 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: the ballot, and she was in court to keep him 541 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: on the ballot. Why. I think most people would say, 542 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: because he arguably would take votes away from Donald Trump. 543 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: And then you had Cornel West who wanted to be 544 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: on the ballot, and she was in court to keep 545 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: him off the ballot. Why because I think most people 546 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: would say he would take votes away from Kamala Harris. 547 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: We have one of the most partisan secretaries of state 548 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: ever and she is out there. You know, she was 549 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: on MSNBC this week. She's a darling there. CNN loves 550 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: to have her on and she is one of the 551 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: most partisan people. And the way she the way she 552 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: frames it, and the way she disguises it, I think 553 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: is very sinister. But ultimately she is doing She will 554 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: break whatever rule she wants, she will create whatever rule 555 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: she wants illegally in order to help Democrats and progressives 556 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: win elections. 557 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: The former Secretary of State in Michigan says that she 558 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: is the most partisan secretary of state in the history 559 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: of the State of Michigan and has violated the Constitution 560 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: more than any former secretary of State. I mean, I 561 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: would hope to no secretary of state violates the Constitution. 562 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: I would kind of expect more of someone who is 563 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 1: also a legal scholar. This is an attorney who is 564 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: now violating the Constitution. To me, she understands the law 565 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: and she has weaponized her position against the people. And 566 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: there is no greater threat to the state than someone 567 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: who manipulates elections. 568 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 2: She's not just an attorney. She used to be the 569 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: dean of Wayne State Law School. 570 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Of course, you can't make this. 571 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: Up, which may say something about Wayne State. 572 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 573 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. 574 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: It's crazy what she's doing. And finally the R and 575 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: SEE is taking her to court and trying to hold 576 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: her accountable for these rule changes and orders and all 577 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: of these different things that she's trying to do. 578 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: Her favorite word is misinformation now too. And the thing 579 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: that is frightening about this is the local and I 580 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: would say national news stations at this point are using 581 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: her as the fact check. So whatever she says is 582 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: the fact. But she's lying through her teeth and to 583 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: your point, obviously we can't trust her legally on a 584 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: lot of things. But there's a local news station here, 585 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: one of the big ones in Detroit that actually has 586 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: her come on, i think monthly for a segment that 587 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: is purely a PR segment where she gets asked a 588 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 3: selection of questions that I'm sure have been approved, and 589 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: she gets to speak about what the stance is. No pushback, 590 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: no questioning of it. 591 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: And she doesn't have like a former secretary of state, 592 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: of which there are two, who would I'm sure gladly 593 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: go on and say, well, let me clarify that for you. 594 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: There's no pushback. She can say whatever she wants because 595 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: and I think that's the manipulation of the news today. 596 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because we had an uber driver 597 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: in North Carolina who was like, you guys need to 598 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: understand it is kind of listening to our conversation. He said, 599 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: are you political, Eli SI. 600 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 601 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: He said, you got to understand the news is so manipulative. 602 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: He said, it's not that it's CNN and MSNBC. He 603 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: said ABC is trusted. People watch ABC because they think 604 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: it's just straight news. He was like, they are manipulating 605 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: the minds of people. And he was very concerned about 606 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: his community in North Carolina and what people were believing 607 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: based on this, and it's the same. You've got the 608 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: local news station having the partisan Secretary of State on 609 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: and having what she puts out there as fact, when 610 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: the truth is the misinformation is coming from her and 611 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: she's the danger. 612 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean, what happened to equal airtime because it used 613 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: to be that, no matter what, she's nonpartisans. Well that's true, 614 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: so there is no equal. 615 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: That's silly of me. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah. She didn't 616 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: sign the pledge. She said she was signing the pledge. 617 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: She never signed the pledge, So I guess I think 618 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: what happened is I mean, you and I were Kyle, 619 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, and I sort of think 620 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: this is what happened. Is she in twenty ten said 621 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: I'll sign the pledge, and then the Soroses of the 622 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 1: world come to her and they're like, okay, you're there 623 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: on our side or you're not getting this, so no, no, 624 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm on your side. Okay, we'll get you through. And 625 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: don't think that things like that don't happen. I don't 626 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: know if you guys saw those pictures of Tim Walls 627 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: with Alex Soros in his apartment. Yes, the body language 628 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: of walls bent over, like almost bowing to this child 629 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: who is the billionaire. You know, it's the body language 630 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: is pathetic. It is not the language of a leader. 631 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: It is the language of body language of someone going 632 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: and begging, make me annoint me, let me be your puppet. 633 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: And then I mean the first two pictures he is 634 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: bent over with his hands together very much like bowing 635 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: too out. And then the last picture he's up front. 636 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: You can see he's at a fundraiser. He's talking to 637 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: people again, kind of bend over with his hands together, 638 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: and Alex Soros is in the background and you can 639 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: almost hear him saying, dance, puppet dance. 640 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 3: That's I mean they Alex Soros brings all these candidates 641 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: to his swanky apartment in New York and it is 642 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 3: like come, beg for money and like pledge fealty to me. 643 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: And that's how this works. Gretchen Whitmer's been there, I believe, 644 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: I mean, how many darlings of the Democrat Party have 645 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 3: been there that have posted publicly And they're always that 646 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 3: same kind of setup where he's looking over them as 647 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: they're speaking and he's blessing the crowd. 648 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: Right exactly and then and then they'll do what what 649 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: you want them to do. And Jocelyn Benson is one 650 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: to watch because she's been clearly she's clearly been taken 651 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: under the wing of those leaders on the Democrat side. 652 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: We've seen her being marched around by Hillary Clinton. I 653 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: think of nothing more disturbing than Hillary Clinton taking your 654 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: secretary of What does she care about the Secretary of 655 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: State of Michigan, Well you should That's when you should 656 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: have your ears and eyes perk up and say, if 657 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is trotting her through the country, there's something happening. 658 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: And I think this is kind of where Republicans haven't 659 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: paid attention in the past, and that's how you end 660 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: up with Katie Hobbs's governor. 661 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure Hillary Clinton's going I lost Michigan 662 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: because of X Y or Z and so I'm going 663 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: to make sure that we don't lose Michigan again. 664 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: And when Jocelyn Benson first ran in twenty ten, she 665 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 2: was sponsored by a group called Secretary of State Project, 666 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 2: which was a Soros funded project. So she has ties 667 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: to Soros in that whole apparatus, so it would not 668 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: be it would not surprise me if she's already you know, 669 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: if he's already helped her raise money, or that's on 670 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 2: the horizon. 671 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: And money matters, don't get me wrong. I mean, you 672 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: can manipulate a lot of minds with money, and I 673 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: believe that they have done that. But that's also why 674 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: you can never look away from what's happening in your 675 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: own local community because you may feel like, Okay, I 676 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: can't do much about the governor or the secretary of state, 677 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: like I'm one person, I'm one voice. But when you 678 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: get involved locally, they have less power to do things 679 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: that are against the people because you go to your 680 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: local REGI your local state rep. And you say, you know, 681 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: you can't do this, like in Michigan, the local state reps. 682 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 1: If people had been more involved, they would have probably said, hey, 683 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: if you pass this taking away local local control, we'll 684 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: vote you out of office. And that's why I think 685 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: it's important that people do get educated, but also that 686 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: Republicans are out there putting that's something we haven't been 687 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: great at when legislation comes up, making sure that local 688 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: communities understand what their representative is going to go vote for. 689 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: Because we lost local control for these wind turbines and 690 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: solar panels and everything, and so you just don't know 691 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: what's going to go into the open lot next to 692 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: you if you're a farmer, or you know, if it's 693 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: just your house. You just never know what's going to 694 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: happen because you don't have You're not dealing with your 695 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: local board anymore, you're dealing with the state. So I 696 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: just think that there is opportunity for us to get 697 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: more involved, to have a more positive involvement in politics. 698 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: I see politics getting to this point where it's just 699 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: so ugly, where people are like, you know, making these 700 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: nasty memes and attacking one another. It's not really educating 701 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: people on what the ultimate outcome is of this person 702 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: getting into office. I mean, even in our race in Michigan, 703 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: nobody ever asked Gretchen Witmer, what's your plan, which obviously 704 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: was to write a book and then leave the state. 705 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 1: You know, she hasn't had a plan to do anything. 706 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: Her last four years of her governorship will be a 707 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: total failure and it will go down in history, probably 708 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: as one of the darkest four years in the States history, 709 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: because of this destruction she has caused and the lack 710 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: of leadership in the state. But that's because nobody is 711 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: asking those questions of like what are they going to 712 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: really do? And you see this now, you see people 713 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: going on the street, like the man on the street, like, 714 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: what's your favorite policy of Kamala Harris? And then what's 715 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: your favorite policy of Donald Trump? And people haven't done 716 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: their research. They just haven't. I mean on either side, 717 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: it's like, I just like that person. 718 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 3: It's a vibe. 719 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dangerous. 720 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 2: That's dangerous, which is why then you have a Gretchen 721 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: Whitmer creating the stupid videos thinking that that's sort of 722 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 2: the height of awareness and height of intelligence of people 723 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: who are actually going to. 724 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: Vote right, Yeah, And how insulting is that? But they 725 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: seem to think that that's effective. And I think that, 726 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, in the last few weeks, I've been watching 727 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: these cringy videos. They've been coming out of Michigan a lot, 728 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: and I'm sure other's states too. I see Michigan's more often. 729 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: So if you're in a different state, then watch your 730 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: If you have Democrats in higher office, like a secretary 731 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: of State or an ag Jocelyn Benson's been doing a 732 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: bunch of these videos too, and they put these out. 733 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: This is like the new way of reaching people in politics. 734 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: But they're not intelligent, They're not These are not teaching 735 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: people anything. They're cutesy. They're supposed to be catching it. 736 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's like a vibe. Right, Oh, we're joyful, 737 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: we're adorable. Vote for us. You know, how do you 738 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: combat that? However, I think that what we're doing is 739 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: by allowing that to be the case, and now I 740 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: see Republicans doing it too, by going to that like 741 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: lowest level, it is not only dumbing down politics, but 742 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: you're alienating the majority of the voting the voters because 743 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: that appeals to gen Z. The rest of voters are like, okay, 744 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: gets serious, Like we have lives, we have to go 745 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 1: to the grocery store. It sucks. 746 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 3: It's like the taking I want to have a beer 747 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 3: with them argument. But like to the m degree, yeah, yeah, 748 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 3: it's a whole new world of that. 749 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: I just I don't know how somebody like that does those, 750 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 2: whether it's the you know the video that she did 751 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 2: with all the gen Z sayings, is that what she said, 752 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: That's what an old person would says sayings? 753 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you call it no. 754 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 2: Or the Professor Potato video or the other videos that 755 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 2: she's done. 756 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 3: I don't know seeing all of it. 757 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 2: What I what I objectively try to understand, is how 758 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 2: you pivot from doing stupid things like that too serious 759 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 2: things where you want to be viewed as a president 760 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 2: or at least a presidential candidate, and you want people 761 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 2: to believe that you can go and negotiate with the 762 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin or you can you know, avert World War III. 763 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how you make that leap well. 764 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: And I will point out, I think as a woman, 765 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: I can point this out. You don't see men doing this, 766 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, honest, see Gavin Knwsom doing this. I don't 767 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: see you never saw Joe Biden or I mean, Donald 768 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: Trump does some videos race chatting on the golf course. 769 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: But I don't see men going into their kitchen and 770 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: being like, let me show you how I make my meal. 771 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: As a politician, you know, I don't really care if 772 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: you can cook. That's not it shouldn't be my concern. 773 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: And you don't see them dancing, you don't see them 774 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: lip syncing, you don't see them trying to be cutesy 775 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: with the next generation you don't see them sitting down 776 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: and making abortion bracelets. I mean these things to me, 777 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: you're right, how do you look at that person then 778 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you're ready to sit down and have 779 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: that serious conversation? 780 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 2: The one I guess I think the one exception would 781 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: be when Chuck Schumer was grilling and he put the 782 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: cheese on the raw Hamberger. 783 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, even still though that's not dancing, that's still 784 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 3: like dude things. 785 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but but example as to why you 786 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,479 Speaker 1: don't do that, because he obviously doesn't actually do dude 787 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: things because he got busted. But good grief. 788 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 3: There was a pretty funny video of one of the 789 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 3: Democrat candidates in Michigan filling up his lawnmower in the new. 790 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: App Oh, and he's. 791 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 3: Like kneeling down and it's like it's like this huge 792 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 3: affair for him to get the gas in the lawnmower. 793 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 3: And it's Tom Barrett, who's running for Congress here on 794 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 3: the Republican side, was like, dude, gas weighs like six pounds, 795 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 3: Like you don't need to kneel and like make this 796 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 3: whole affair out of it. 797 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: And why do that? Like I mow my lawn too. 798 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, how much more can you say 799 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: to people like, I know your life sucks and you 800 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: have to mow your lawn. I've occasionally mowed my laun too, 801 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: Like give me a break. I mean, I don't know. 802 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: We do it on both sides, Like here I am 803 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: at the grocery store, and you're not really at the 804 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: grocery store. You know, it's like you're in a set 805 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: all of these Gosh, could we just talk like normal people? 806 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what I think. Like the 807 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan era was people saying he talks like us, 808 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: and he's like us, and we feel like we can 809 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: he is concerned about the same things as us. And 810 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: then that went to the next level with Trump. It 811 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: was like, wow, he gets us. He'll say anything. But 812 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: now it's bizarre. It's like we're it's like politicians trying 813 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: to say anything, like trying exactly to your point. I'm 814 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: the best person to sit down and have a beer. 815 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: Remember when Elizabeth Warren that's that. 816 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a big there's a much difference between being 817 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 2: a human and being a clown. And I and so 818 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 2: I just I literally I try to objectively. I'm trying 819 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 2: to objectively understand why Gretchen Whitmer makes these videos and 820 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 2: what they think it's doing is so you're trying to 821 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 2: win young women? Is that what you're trying to do? 822 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: But if you're doing that, is are you trying? Is 823 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 2: that is the theory. We'll get enough of those people, 824 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 2: so then we'll lose the people who want a serious 825 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 2: president and they'll still win. I don't know. I don't know. 826 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 3: I think the understanding of what a different generation sees 827 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 3: as serious is very like that's the huge part here, 828 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 3: because I mean what, I'm thirty one. I personally don't 829 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 3: agree with the videos, but I have friends, my sister 830 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 3: in their early twenties like that age group. I don't 831 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 3: think places as much of a value on that like tough, 832 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 3: stern mentality. They don't want that yeah, that you normally 833 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 3: would think. I just think that they don't value it. 834 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 3: They think, oh, she will be when she needs to be. 835 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: Literally recently, we had a business trip and it was 836 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: an overnight business trip and there was I would say, 837 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: this person we were talking to is probably in their 838 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: twenties and they're like, what, so you like came in 839 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: last night and you're leaving today, Like yeah, like, oh 840 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 1: my gosh, that's so overwhelming to me. I can't even 841 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: imagine that how tired I would be. And I thought, 842 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: this is so this generation is so different than ours. 843 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: Like I when I was young, it was like you 844 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: got on the plane, you got in and out, you 845 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: made sure you got your business done, you got back 846 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: to the office, you worked your butt off. I mean, 847 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: when I was young, you didn't leave before your boss, 848 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: So I would get stuck in the office until like 849 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night because I was the FaceTime mattered. 850 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: Now it's like you're begging your employees just to be 851 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: at the office. And it's like the thought of someone 852 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: being like I couldn't do an overnight business strip, Like 853 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: what is happening to these young people? And I get 854 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: what you're saying about they don't want to be They 855 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: don't want this idea of being tough and having that 856 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: all that pushed on them. And I'm like, wake up. 857 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, it's not that they just 858 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 3: don't understand the value of it. I also am like 859 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 3: what happened to that. I also don't think I ever 860 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 3: said I was really tired in my Twine who was tired. 861 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,919 Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, now, I was like, how many 862 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: guys said how many kids do you have? And I 863 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: don't have any kids? And I'm like, what is the 864 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: what's tired? And what are are you tired about? Like? 865 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,879 Speaker 1: How did you get tired? What is happening? I mean, 866 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 1: it's just funny to me that we have taken politics 867 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: and we have honed it into one generation and said 868 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: we're going to speak to this one group. And maybe 869 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: that's just online, but it seems like that online message 870 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: is getting to everybody, right, and so are you ultimately 871 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: trying to speak to twenty year olds and alienating everybody 872 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: in the age groups above. We'll see in November. I mean, 873 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: I really think November will be telling on that, because 874 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: that's the Democrat strategy is to be goofy, to reach 875 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: out to these young people to push I mean, we've 876 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: seen that even with these abs and dee ballot applications 877 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 1: that have gone out in Michigan from Gretchen Whitmer, they're 878 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: all too young people. The goal is to talk to 879 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: young people to get all of the college aged students 880 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: to go out and vote. They're registering. When we saw 881 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: that video yesterday of the woman the people registering kids 882 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: in high school. There are there's this push for the young, 883 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: younger generation. We know Democrats always win the younger generation, 884 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: but is that effective. We'll see, and we'll see in November. 885 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, I think it's fascinating to watch. 886 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating to watch them like do cartwheels 887 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: trying to impress people when it's all phony and fake 888 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: and we see it. So we'll see. I mean, I 889 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,759 Speaker 1: don't know. I see Harris signs everywhere. I see Trump 890 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: signs everywhere. Michigan, I think, is one of those states 891 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: where we get to like really be right in the 892 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: middle and be like, how is this impacting people's hearts 893 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: and minds? So after November, well, no, maybe I'll be 894 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: doing singing and dancing videos and I'll be telling people 895 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 1: that that slaps hella. I don't know. 896 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 2: Please don't mean. 897 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 3: We don't have time. 898 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: What does it mean? 899 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 3: I don't actually know. 900 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: I think it's I don't again, it's all about it. 901 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: We looked that one up, I think last night. Yeah, 902 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 1: but that still means nothing to me. 903 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 3: I don't don't know how to describe it. 904 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: I just know it. 905 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's like one of those things, you know. 906 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: It's like that slaps like what okay that sounds. I 907 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: think it might be the equivalent for your era. 908 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 2: That's before my just a tiny event. I mean, I 909 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 2: would say, you mean that's gnarly, that's rad. 910 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, maybe that's what it is. I don't know, 911 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,439 Speaker 1: so for all of all us old people out there, 912 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: that's that's rad. On that note, we're gonna heat off 913 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: for the day. Thank you for listening. Make sure you 914 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio 915 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: app wherever you get your podcasts, and you can tune 916 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 1: in the next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast and 917 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: have a blessed day. Thank you.