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Speaker 1: a special edition of Talking Cowboys, not from the SWBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage studios. Instead, we are from our own homes bringing

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Speaker 1: you all of the coverage of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and what has been a why the week of NFL

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Speaker 1: Free Agency. We've got it looks like Rob Phillips is

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Speaker 1: then Mickey with his fight T shirt down at the

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Speaker 1: bottom as well. Guys, this is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: This is a little different, but it's a ton of

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Speaker 1: fun and we're glad to be able to bring you

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Speaker 1: a special shelter in place version of Talking Cowboys. Mickey,

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Speaker 1: have you even thought about doing anything like this ever before?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. That's why I've got my fight T shirt on,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to fight through this thing and actually

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Speaker 1: make it work. I think I've done Talking Cowboys in

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Speaker 1: probably a dozen different places. This one takes the cake, though,

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Speaker 1: that we're all at home, and you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: sort of like the Network news locally, right, everybody's been

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Speaker 1: doing weather and sports from their houses and now we're

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Speaker 1: the crazy thing with all this whole thing is we're

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Speaker 1: not we're kind of behind the curve in terms of

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Speaker 1: trying to do this as a normal scene with it. Heckman. Oh,

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Speaker 1: know you're having some fun. Hey man, we looked like

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Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch right now. I love May that's a

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Speaker 1: Just make sure nobody walks in behind you there. Heckman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: trust me, I'm quarantined it on with an eight year

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Speaker 1: I need you today, No, I feel you. I got

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Speaker 1: She's doing just fine. And I'm proud of Mickey. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I got a text message from him at

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Speaker 1: so way to go, Mick. Yeah, this is a big

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Speaker 1: upset for me to have this figured out because I

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Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy how quickly this came together. But

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Speaker 1: a special thanks to Derek, to Matt Kent who's producing

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Speaker 1: even throughout what is such a hard time and a

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Speaker 1: crucial time in our country and our world at this moment.

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Speaker 1: But with that being said, there's plenty of Cowboys storylines

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Speaker 1: to get to, so we're gonna start off with the

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Speaker 1: big one. Last night, Travis Frederick, the Pro Bowl Center

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Speaker 1: that position. In my opinion, less value Kyle is really

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Speaker 1: good at some point in the early rounds because you

431
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Speaker 1: did draft Connor mcgoverned for a reason. You do have

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Speaker 1: Joe Looney as a guy that's at least done it,

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Speaker 1: And as Mickey said, maybe they've been a little spoiled

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Speaker 1: in terms of the talent level they've had on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Connor Williams does have some position flexibility. We've

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Speaker 1: seen him kick out to tackle apparently a little bit

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Speaker 1: in practice in the past. I think I think you'd

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Speaker 1: be more primed to roll what you have. They're losing

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn and Byron Jones right now. They have yet

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Speaker 1: to really fill those two positions right now, and those

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Speaker 1: are two big time positions. I mean, you think about

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Speaker 1: marquee positions in just the game of football, pass, run, lockdown,

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Speaker 1: corner or in the top four or five, and they

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Speaker 1: just lost both those guys the free agency. So to me,

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Speaker 1: those are major needs right now, and I would expect

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Speaker 1: the first round draft pick at this point to go

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Speaker 1: at one of those two positions. Well, you mentioned the

448
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Speaker 1: potential of draft and what the value looks like there.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple of names. Lloyd Cushionberry the

450
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Speaker 1: third center out of LSU, Caesar Ruise out of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Matt Hennessee maybe out of Temple. Those are three guys

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Speaker 1: that you probably wouldn't look at until. In terms of

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I wouldn't take a look at them until

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Speaker 1: until pick eighty two ish. I don't think pick eighty

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Speaker 1: two is a bad spot to maybe start looking if

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Speaker 1: you're going to try and draft a guy there. But

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Speaker 1: also with that being said, you picked a guy at

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Speaker 1: pick ninety last year and Connor McGovern out of Penn State.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, either way you go, the versatility is there,

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Speaker 1: there are options there, and I mean it's it's kind

461
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Speaker 1: of just a crazy scramble at least at the moment

462
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: of trying to figure out what to do here. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's as much of a scramble for

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Speaker 1: this this coaching staff, in this front office. I think

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Speaker 1: this is something that maybe they saw the writing on

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Speaker 1: the wall a little bit. But we'll kind of move

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Speaker 1: on from from Travis Frederick. I might come back and

468
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Speaker 1: ask you guys later in the show exactly maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: your favorite Travis Frederick story or something of the sort,

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Speaker 1: but some other news kind of raining down throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of the week, of course, just free agency as

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Speaker 1: a whole. Also, by the way, one of the benefits

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Speaker 1: of doing Stay at Home podcast is there's no commercials,

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Speaker 1: so you don't have to listen to commercials. There's no

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Speaker 1: Mickey's Read either. Oh no, no, go on, Mickey, do

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Speaker 1: you have we do you have a read? Oh? If

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Speaker 1: I have time, and you don't mind me looking down

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Speaker 1: and printing it out. I sure could get Wood. Absolutely,

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00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: we gotta have him, man. That's that's up to you.

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Speaker 1: If you want to, if you want to give your

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Speaker 1: Jack Black dot com reeve, then you can absolutely do that.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, there's been some let's just say stayings

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Speaker 1: and goings and Dallas Cowboys over the last week, plenty

484
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Speaker 1: of free agent tracking that's had to be done. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to run through some of these lists. There's

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00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: only been three NFL free agents reportedly signed and agreed

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Speaker 1: to terms with the Dallas Cowboys. Gerald McCoy the three

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Speaker 1: year contract back on the seventeenth, Maurice Kennedy originally from

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets, and then the Haha Clinton Dicks.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got a slew of guys who have left,

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Heath. You've got Kerrie Hider who has now gone,

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Speaker 1: Robert Quinn who we mentioned earlier, Malik Collins also going

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Speaker 1: to the Raiders, Cam Fleming going to the Giants, Sua

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Speaker 1: Philo heads to the Bengals. There are all of these

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Speaker 1: individuals that have now left. Overall, what are some of

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Speaker 1: the the upcoming moves for the Cowboys. I know Don

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Speaker 1: Terry Poe has been in the conversation. I know Snacks

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Speaker 1: Harrison's also been in the conversation. Harrison was just mentioned

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Speaker 1: by Mackey a couple of moments ago. But Rob, have

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Speaker 1: you heard anything about what's going on with this front

501
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: office and what their next moves? Maybe? Well, the reports

502
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Speaker 1: are as you mentioned, Don Terry Poe is a guy

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Speaker 1: that they've possibly zeroed in on and trying to get

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Speaker 1: a deal done with him. If not him, then another

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Speaker 1: space eating defensive tackle that appears to be a position

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Speaker 1: that they're zeroing in on, and that would be a

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Speaker 1: major philosophical shift from the Rod Marinelli. Yeah, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: I'm rusty, the Rod Marini Marinelli era from the last

509
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Speaker 1: six seven years when he was here and wanted those

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Speaker 1: more smaller, quicker, penetrating defensive tackles. If you look at

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Speaker 1: the games where they've struggled with their run defense in

512
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Speaker 1: the last two seasons, they've lost, they've lost football games,

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Speaker 1: and and some of it has happened if you go back, Mick,

514
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Speaker 1: like that Indianapolis game in twenty eighteen, even when this

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Speaker 1: team was rolling and they got diced up up there

516
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Speaker 1: in Indie. They were not winning the battle up front

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Speaker 1: with their nose tackle play, and sometimes it's on the linebackers,

518
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes the linebackers are just getting washed out of

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Speaker 1: plays because linemen are getting to the second level on them.

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Speaker 1: And I think that is something they've looked at and

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Speaker 1: discussed internally. Do we need to go with more size inside?

522
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Speaker 1: And that appears to be the direction they're going. And

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Speaker 1: we've seen it in Green Bay before with Mike mccarthur's Packers.

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Speaker 1: They've had those larger nose tackles and this may be

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Speaker 1: the route they go, and this may be the decision

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Speaker 1: they need to make in terms of trying to shore

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Speaker 1: up their run defense and being a little more consistent

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Speaker 1: in that area. Well, if they decide to stay in

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Speaker 1: a four to three, So tell me who's the backup

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Speaker 1: for Antoine Woods right now? Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I thought. So, yeah, I mean they have

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Speaker 1: another Yeah, maybe not. I don't think they don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Christian Covington's a free agent and they just look it

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Speaker 1: looks like I just saw something that they lost Carrie Hider,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean he's not a nose tackle.

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Speaker 1: I understand, but they got to do better than Christian

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Speaker 1: Covington and Antoine Woods. And that's probably what they're thinking,

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Speaker 1: is if they can get another one of these one

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Speaker 1: year type of prove it deals with somebody that's been successful,

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Speaker 1: but it hasn't got a job yet. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this week, next week, if you're sitting there without a job,

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Speaker 1: you're you're probably not sitting there negotiating a whole heck

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Speaker 1: of a lot. Uh And and I'll say it again,

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Speaker 1: and I keep saying it in this climate, not knowing

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna play or not. I certainly hate to

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Speaker 1: be sitting there without a job and and and trying

547
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Speaker 1: to say no, I need more money, because you might

548
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Speaker 1: be when the music stop, Jameis Winston, you may not

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Speaker 1: have a chair of the sit in Wow. Well am

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Speaker 1: I Roy, Rob Rob We talked about this a couple

551
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. What was going to be the DNA

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Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy's team in the defense and what type

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Speaker 1: of identity obviously with you know, Rob Marinelli's defense being

554
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Speaker 1: comprised of you know, quicker, smaller guys, and so you

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: see a girth movement with Gerald McCoy's signing and look, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't care how long it took us to get

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Speaker 1: this guy. He is what we needed as far as

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Speaker 1: the size. And then you look at don Terry Poe.

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Speaker 1: If this signing does go through, these guys are huge.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard names like u in Dominican, Sue.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna happen, Purnell and other

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Speaker 1: guys that have played for McCarthy in the past, but

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Speaker 1: you can tell, I mean, without even knowing the philosophy,

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Speaker 1: if it's a three to four or fifty or four

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Speaker 1: three defense that they're gonna go through, go with h

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Speaker 1: They're going with bigger personnel up front. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's gonna benefit our linebackers because our linebackers are quick guys,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they're able to do what they do.

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Speaker 1: Lady vander Esh is amazing when he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: fight through an offensive tackle trying to ear hold him.

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Speaker 1: The same with Jaylen Smith, you know, and so I

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00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: think all of these things are gonna benefit us. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's been some rumors or people speculating whether the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are gonna go with a three four defense over a

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Speaker 1: four to three. In my opinion, we just don't have

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Speaker 1: the personnel to run a three four. So you know,

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Speaker 1: with our main money guy being Tank Lawrence, you know

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Speaker 1: why change what he does, you know in the four

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Speaker 1: three defense because he's able to do things from the

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Speaker 1: outside that a lot of guys in the league aren't

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Speaker 1: able to do as far as you know, the moves

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Speaker 1: that he makes. Now, also with that being said, you know, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: you make a great point about guys out you know

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Speaker 1: that are you know, trying to do everything that they

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Speaker 1: possibly can to get big money deals. And when I

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Speaker 1: look at this defense and just the you know, if

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Speaker 1: we can get a guy like Snax Harrison or a

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Speaker 1: Poe Uh get to get signed, but also they're a

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00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: guy still out there like a Jadeveon Clowney. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a wish list still because obviously his

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00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: salary and what he's asking for is way up there.

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Speaker 1: But you can imagine him and Tank Lawrence and Jerald McCoy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is going to be a murderous role

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Speaker 1: defense because all of those guys can get after the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and they're and again excellent in the run. And

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna have to do in order to

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Speaker 1: show up some of these deficiencies that we had on defense.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, yeah, yeah you got you got, you got,

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Speaker 1: you got two guys right now taking up uh in

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Speaker 1: cap space, uh forty three forty four million dollars because

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Speaker 1: of Dak Mitya. I say wishes I did, says, I know,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking reality here. I know. Oh, come on, now,

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00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: you've got tality, you know. And so yeah, we all

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Speaker 1: got wish lists, but I'm sure they have a wish list,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that you can afford a guy.

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00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: But you're gonna need somebody to play that defensive end spot.

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Speaker 1: And again, how much bigger is is Gerald McCoy than

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Speaker 1: Malik Collins? Two inches taller? I mean, what's McCoy? Wait,

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Speaker 1: like three twenty yeah, twenty five. Mcleik's three fifteen. He's

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Speaker 1: just two inches taller. So again production wise, production wise,

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Speaker 1: I mean, still McCoy is, I got you. And they

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00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: were fortunate that he wanted to come back here and

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Speaker 1: play for the Cowboys because his son's just signed to

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00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: go and uh, he committed to Oklahoma, so he's now

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00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: closer to home and where his son will be playing.

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00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: They were fortunate on that deal. So let's remember they

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00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: didn't pay him an arm in a leg to come here, right,

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00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: three point five million against a cap this year. That's

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: peanuts and they got a good deal. So, like I said,

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Speaker 1: everybody's not sitting there looking to work for peanuts. So

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Speaker 1: I think what they're sitting there doing is can trying

622
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: to find guys that are available that they're bigger uh snax.

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Speaker 1: Harrison to me is a liability because he can't run,

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00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: He can't go sideways, and the Cowboys never had any

625
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: problems dealing with him. You just want him to run,

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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: uh and go sideways, and you you negate what he

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00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: can do. You still need good players, not just big players. Well,

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: but you bring up the party good guy. I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna say, you talked about Jadeveon Clowney and up

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Speaker 1: being part of that wish list and somebody that I know, Heckma,

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you want to try and potentially bring in. But just

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00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: because he's on all of the media's list wish list

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00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's on the Cowboys wish list, nor does

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00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: the contract necessarily make sense. And plus you're talking about

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00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: we were talking about this a little bit earlier, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to the four

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Speaker 1: three three four conversation, and a lot of people said, oh,

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00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: because Poe would be brought in, and maybe a snack

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00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Harrison would be brought in. Now, neither one of those

640
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: are official yet, of course, but if they're closing in

641
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: on a deal, it would be more evidence that the

642
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys are switching two or three four. I don't think

643
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: that's necessarily the case, especially when you're talking about Poe,

644
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: because Carolina played more four to three with two of

645
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: those guys on that line last year than a three

646
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: to four, And Poe was more of a guy that

647
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: was a one technique on a four man line. He

648
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: could play the three technique if he really needed to.

649
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: And then you had McCoy that was kind of on

650
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: the edge, which according to earlier in his career, was

651
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more out of the ordinary. But there

652
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: was versatility between those two guys, and I think that's

653
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: something that has to be looked at moving forward. Just

654
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: because they're signed, and just because they're going with a

655
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: bigger defensive line doesn't necessarily mean you're going to a

656
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: three four. Yeah, and tell him this, you go to

657
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: a three four, who's your two outside rushing linebackers. You

658
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 1: don't have the personnel for that. You don't, Yeah, you don't.

659
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith, maybe you want him to drop because those

660
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: guys have to drop in coverage two right, Yep. Absolutely,

661
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't know that you want Jalen Smith lining up

662
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage against a three hundred and

663
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: forty pound offensive tackle. Agreed. Yeah, But I also think

664
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, the three four three four three discussion,

665
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's overrated, but even if they

666
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: were to go to a base three four front, they're

667
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: still gonna play nickel four man line at least two

668
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: thirds of the time, if not seventy five percent of

669
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: the time. So I mean, yes, I think certain players

670
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: fit certain schemes better, but I think we've evened three

671
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: man line here in the past with Rod Marinelli, and

672
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm not discounting that. I think they definitely will probably

673
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: look at being a multiple defense, but I don't know

674
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: if they're if they're looking for guys for a specific

675
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: scheme fit only because they're they're probably gonna play multiple

676
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: styles and with as many holes as they have on

677
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: this defense right now. Mike McCarthy said it recently, they

678
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: just need good players and then figure out where to

679
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: play him. I do think the edge rusher spot is

680
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: still interesting and still a bit of a mystery and

681
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: a hole, major hole, because you know, i've heard Randy

682
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: Gregory's name being thrown out as well. If they could

683
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: get him back, you know, that'll help fill Robert Quinn spot.

684
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't. You cannot count on that situation. You just can't.

685
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: He's missed too much football. There's too much. There's too

686
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: much uncertainty about him, and I know reportedly he's trying

687
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: to apply for reinstatement. They need to. They need to

688
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: find someone else that can fill that spot. Maybe maybe

689
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford can help if he's healthy and back, but

690
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: they need another pure guy out on the edge to

691
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: do that. Maybe McCoy can do some of it, but

692
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: I would try to add another guy, and maybe it's

693
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna be in the draft. We'll see him. Randy Gregory's

694
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: got to be you know. You know how you go

695
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: and get a vanilla cone, ice cream cone, and then

696
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: you dip it in chocolate. He's the chocolate on top

697
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: of a good cone because you can look the guy's played.

698
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I think I figured out he's played. If you would

699
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: get to September, he'll have played sixteen games in the

700
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: National Football League in fifty five months. For yes, he's

701
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: got talent, right, but he hadn't played and it will

702
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: be almost three years since he's played, or two and

703
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: a half for hit. To think that he's gonna come

704
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: in and step in and be a starter from day

705
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: one and play, you know, forty snaps a game. I

706
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: think that's asking a lot when a guy has is

707
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: that rusty, because remember, when you're on your own, it's

708
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: hard to practice football, right. It's hard to go down

709
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: the street and find some guy who say, all right,

710
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: would you line up in front of me three hundred

711
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: pounds and let me push down you. Now, you can't

712
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: get live reps like that. And you know, I want

713
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: to go back to something that um Nate Newton brought up,

714
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: the great Nate Newton brought up last week, and just

715
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: being able to get those guys up front in your

716
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: defense that can you know, not allow quarterbacks to have

717
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: that clean pocket. And that's what the Cowboys are gonna

718
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: need from their defense up front, whether it be with

719
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, getting a guy through free agency or going

720
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: into the draft. To get an edge rusher. That's fine.

721
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, jadeveon Clowney Mick, when you

722
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: were talking about guys actually uh losing you know, basically

723
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: losing chairs basically to you and you have my head

724
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: mixed up. Man. You actually called Randy Gregory dipping in chocolate.

725
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: I just I can't even think anymore after you said that,

726
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: getting my thoughts together. I just I just see Randy

727
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Gregory getting dipped in chocolate. I'm anyway, but is that

728
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, I know all of those are luxuries, and

729
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: that would be you know, great to have that kind

730
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: of talent. But when we're talking about what we need

731
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: on defense, and just going back to last year, you know,

732
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: a good defense, you know, ranked ninth, but a great

733
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: defense is going to get you sacks, is gonna get

734
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: you turnovers, and those are some of the things that

735
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: this Cowboys defense actually needs. I love the signing of

736
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: ha Ha Clinton Dix. I mean his length at the

737
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: free safety position. He's proven it that he can be

738
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: that guy that we need in pass pro. And you know,

739
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: as far as you know, getting those interceptions, ballhawk tackling,

740
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, a guy that tackles really well, but just

741
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: some of the other things that we have on defense

742
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: and rob as you alluded to, we can't be finished

743
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: with getting this together because man, you know, even from

744
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: the corner, you know, the back half of our defense,

745
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: even with the guys that we've signed, there has to

746
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: be more that we could do in free age to

747
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: see because Jordan Lewis and Oozier and Brown, those signings

748
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: were good, Kennedy, those signings were you know, that was

749
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: that was great, But at the same time, that's not

750
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: shoring up that position where I think it gives you

751
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: that confidence going into week one where you have some

752
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: guys at the Ballhawks and gonna play and again we

753
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: don't know what the scheme is gonna be either to

754
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: play to these guys strength. But again I just think

755
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: that with what's been done early with McCoy, with some

756
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: of the guys that they're according right now, that we're

757
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: still a long ways away from seeing this be complete

758
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: where we can go into week one saying, Okay, we're

759
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: confident with the with the product that we're gonna put

760
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: out there on the defensive end. Well, here's whereas on

761
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: those guys, some of those guys you mentioned they signed

762
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: one year deals. They were willing to play on a

763
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: one year deal. So, uh, it scares me that there

764
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: wasn't a big market out there for them. And uh,

765
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: they're they're they're on one year prove it deals. That's

766
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: not an answer. It's a bridge to whatever comes next.

767
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: And the best thing you can do is draft well

768
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: and fill these guys that will fill a position for

769
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: you until a young guy can come in and play.

770
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, well, haha, Clinton Dix. How many teams has

771
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: he played for now in the last three years? This

772
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: will be his fourth. Yeah, the Packers traded him to

773
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: the what Redskins, and then they didn't resign him and

774
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: he signed a one year deal. Uh, and now he

775
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: signed another one year deal. So I don't think he's

776
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: an answer. He's a bridge. Uh. And I'm not sure

777
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: he's a free safety either. By the way, what do

778
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: you think he's a box safety? I think he takes

779
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath spot. You know, Xavier Woods your free safety

780
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: because if he will make up another spot, I will say,

781
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: watching a little of him tape since they agreed to

782
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: terms with him, he's got more range than I thought

783
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: he did, and and and can make some plays on

784
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: the ball. I think and I think his experience, I

785
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy knows what he's capable of doing. This

786
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: could be, this could be an underrated signing. I'm not

787
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: disagreeing with you that it's that it's probably a bridge situation, um.

788
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: But I think the coaches familiarity with him. I think

789
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: that's that's good, that that that's at least there's that,

790
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: even though the organization doesn't have that familiarity with with

791
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. Um. But to your point about about the draft,

792
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: they you know, some of these these discussion we're having

793
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: about potentially signing guys up front and signed Gerald McCoy. Remember,

794
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: they've spent draft picks on guys recently that to this

795
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: point of not panned out. You know, if Tristan Hill

796
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: was a productive player last year, we may not be

797
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: having the same discussion. So it is it's big. It's

798
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: imperative to have success in the draft, and largely they

799
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: have had success, um. But when when when it doesn't

800
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: work out through that route, That's why we're talking about

801
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: trying to find guys in free agency that can plug holes.

802
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: But they haven't signed him to to like lifelong contracts, right,

803
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: They're nibbling. No, but they're they're gonna they're gonna ask

804
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: him to play major role though. Oh no, I understand that.

805
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: But when you're looking, it's not all about just this

806
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: year either, right, you go, what happens next year? You

807
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: know the same thing. You know, they they won the

808
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: bet on Robert Quinn right traded for it, but they

809
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: give up a fifth round pick and redid his contract

810
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: and he won the bet. He played well, and now

811
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: he goes on. And now you still got to fill

812
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: that spot. Now, do they have somebody ready to step in?

813
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: Is Dorin's Armstrong ready? Jalen Jelks. I don't know. We

814
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but you have to keep filling it

815
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: with younger guys because you only have so much cap

816
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: space remaining to play with. You've got to hit. You

817
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: gotta hit on that draft. Let's talk about the defense

818
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: right now in theory, I mean, at this moment, with

819
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: no signing of Poe, with no draft prospects, the defense

820
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: right now, if you're looking at maybe let's say in

821
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Nickel defense, you're seeing your right in what Randy Gregory

822
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: potentially you've got Gerald Well, I don't think you could

823
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: even say you can't say Randy Gregory, Well, that's who

824
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: you have potentially on the roster at this moment. Well

825
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: he's not, well, he's not on the roster. Thought they Kyle,

826
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: he's not. Let me Okay, here, here's your here's here.

827
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Here should be your premise. If they had to play tomorrow,

828
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: how are they lining up? Okay, yeah, that's the right

829
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: defensive in spot, because then you've got Jique. No, he's

830
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: the three te he's the three technique McCoy. Where's Tim

831
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: Crawford fit into all this? Then, if you're playing tomorrow,

832
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna play wherever you need him in a rotation.

833
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna help you at end, or he's gonna be

834
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: a three technique he may not start. Who's the backup

835
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: at three technique right now? Tristan Hill? You think? Yeah,

836
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: probably Tristan Hill pretty much. Yeah, let's resign Christian unless

837
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: you resigned coming. I just think McCoy's a three technique.

838
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: That's what he's played. He hasn't played the nose. Okay,

839
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: if if he ends up going, or if if Poe

840
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: ends up being signed by the Cowboys, let's let's look

841
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: at would it be and let me point out something

842
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: about Poe and Snack Harrison. You know those were reports, right, Well,

843
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: let me tell you what happens when free agency agents

844
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: throw out a lot of flak out there because they're

845
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: trying to drive up the price for their for their client.

846
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: So when you hear that stuff, it may not be

847
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: coming from inside the Cowboys. It may be coming from agents.

848
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: And I've seen it so much during my career that

849
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: they'll just the agent will throw out something to a

850
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: reporter and act like they're giving them a story, when

851
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: indeed what they're trying to do is up the market value.

852
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Because if the Cowboys are interested in this old boy,

853
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: I better hurry up and sign this guy. So just

854
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: be careful with the reports. So maybe not. But philosophically though, Mick,

855
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: I think that maybe where they're leaning though how they

856
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: feel it. We'll see, but I do think we'll see

857
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: a bigger knows. And by the way, Antoine Woods is

858
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: a exclusive rights free agent. I mean the Cowboys have

859
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: exclusive negotiating rights with him, and he has not been

860
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: tendered to this point, So just throwing that out there too. Well,

861
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: and you've also got the linebacking corps hopefully, I mean,

862
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: who knows with Layton vander Esh at this moment where

863
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up being does linebacker maybe potentially play

864
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: a bigger role in terms of where you're looking the

865
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: draft because you've got some options or you don't have

866
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: as many options there. You've got Jalen Smith, Sean Lee's

867
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: coming back. But other than that, what are we really

868
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: looking at with this linebacking court? Is this going to

869
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: be somebody that or is this going to be a

870
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: position that you're gonna have to look for in the

871
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: free agency coming up? It's on my dark board. Yeah,

872
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean all of those things, Kyle, like you said,

873
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we're the Cowboys are looking at all of that.

874
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean. In Layton vander ESS's neck injury, I mean god,

875
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of those things as a linebacker

876
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: and from a medical staff, they are going to make

877
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: sure that this guy is ready to go and he

878
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: doesn't have any further harm to his neck. But again,

879
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Thomas is some of those other signings that

880
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: you see that you've seen done through free agency, I

881
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: think are going to help the Cowboys. But again, free

882
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: agency is big right now. I don't think that they're

883
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: done by a lung shot. We're talking here just you know,

884
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: obviously these are all hypotheticals about who's gonna be there,

885
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: but they're just still so many holes that have to

886
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: be filled. And Mickey's dark board, he's saw on a

887
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: lot of pieces, you know, out because he knows. I mean,

888
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: there are some holes. You were trying to say, hypothetically,

889
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: what our first day like if the season started today.

890
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: I was waiting to see what were some of those

891
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: other positions that you were going to say would be starting. Yeah,

892
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean I basically had McCoy, Tyrant Crawford, DeMarcus Lawrence

893
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: on that defensive line with a big question mark. I

894
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: would say Randy Gregory it right in. But like Mickey said,

895
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: let's not allow the theory out of the theory. Yeah whatever.

896
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: So then you've got linebacker Jalen Smith's Sean Lee. Then

897
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: corner it's Shadobie Wuzier, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, safety and

898
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods Haha, Clinton Dix. In theory, if all of

899
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: that works out, you're not necessarily pit or pattering along.

900
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: That's a pretty solid looking core. And like I said,

901
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: without any draft picks, without any other signings on the line.

902
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: Suddenly you add Poe, you add maybe two or three

903
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: first three round draft picks. There's a little bit of more.

904
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: There's you're just a couple pieces away, even with some

905
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: of these guys, or as some of the thought and

906
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: the field around this team is, this is going to

907
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: be a bad twenty twenty I don't think that's the case.

908
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I think they're a lot closer than a lot of

909
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 1: people think because of these bridge signings. Like you said,

910
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: it's not just a bridge going into twenty twenty one,

911
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: it's a bridge to your next big signing or your

912
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: next big player, next darkboard mackey, if you want to

913
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: throw the darkboard in there. In terms of the draft,

914
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it's a bridge to kind of fill these holes. Put

915
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: bodies there that are capable bodies and not just a

916
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: backup corner from another team, team that's going to come

917
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: in and make an impact. You're bringing in starting caliber players,

918
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: and now you're starting to get into the point where

919
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: you can really get to the meat of your roster.

920
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: So you are you trying to tell me that they're

921
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: better off right now than they were last year. I'm

922
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: saying they're better off right now than they were at

923
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: the start. Of the offseason. I wouldn't say better off

924
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: than last year because you lost the guy like Robert

925
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: Quinn and Byron Jones. But you're better off now than

926
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: you were whenever the league years started a couple of

927
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Oh well, yeah, I understand that. But you

928
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: made it sound like they're making big progress to improve

929
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: this defense over last year. I think that they've they've

930
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: made one significant signing, and it was Gerald McCoy. Would

931
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: you add a po or a Snacks Harrison in there too?

932
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: Would you all that a significant sound now? Because I

933
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: bet they're a one year deal. Okay, but this is

934
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: what they said, three year deal for thirty year old.

935
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: But he, but he, but he, but he Still there

936
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: was a reason why he took that deal. What was

937
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: that reason? Well, I told you he wanted to be

938
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: closer to the son to see him play at Oklahoma.

939
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: This is this is not this shouldn't be really a

940
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: surprise the way they've gone about it. I mean they

941
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: they they look for not necessarily bargain signings, but definitely

942
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: cost effective signings, guys that aren't going to trap their

943
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: cap and and try to resign as many of their

944
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: own guys as they can, and they have resigned a

945
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: decent amount of guys from last year's roster. You mentioned

946
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of that have gone. But this is how

947
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: they operate. You know, they're not comfortable throwing out big

948
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: time money by and large to free agents from from

949
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: the outside. And now I guess it's a little bit

950
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: surprising though that they haven't maybe made more of a

951
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: splash because, like what we're sitting here talking about, the

952
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: defense still has quite a few holes and you only

953
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: have so many draft picks that conceivably can you know,

954
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: realistically help you in your one um. But I do

955
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: think getting a you know, a defensive tackle in here

956
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: that can make more of a splash make whether it's

957
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: on a one year deal or not. I mean this

958
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: is you know, Randall Cobb was on a one year

959
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: deal last year too, and the productive player one year deal. Yeah,

960
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: a little different because he was in the last Yeah,

961
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: but it was a one year cowboy proveth me. Yeah, yeah,

962
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 1: I mean you can still find right now, you're still

963
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: and you're still trying to there's no future in one

964
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: year deals. Right now, you're back in the same boat

965
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: you wear a year ago. At both of those positions.

966
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: So is that is that a push for them to

967
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: make longer deals with some of these guys. Well, you've

968
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: got to have salary cap money. I don't know why

969
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: you guys can't understand that you've got to have space

970
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: to sign quality guys. It's it's pretty simple. Think about

971
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: the money they've already spent for the cap this year.

972
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: Thirty one million against the cap right now for Dak

973
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: and we don't know that that's not going to change.

974
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: Twelve million dollars for Amari Cooper and then head and

975
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: add up all the other little ones they signed, their

976
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: little Well, you're probably around forty forty five million of

977
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: what you have and you still got a draft, so

978
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: throw another seven million in there. You know, all of

979
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're running out of money. So Mick, even

980
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: we sign a guy to a one year deal, or

981
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: we get a guy in the draft, but at some

982
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: point we're gonna have to get bodies on this defensive line,

983
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: so we can't. Every guy isn't gonna fit picture perfect

984
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: into our cap space, and every team is going to

985
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: have a cap issue. The Cowboys obviously are in that

986
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: position where they're trying to get guys, whether it's Asians

987
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: blowing smoke to get their guys signed or not done.

988
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: Terry Poe a guy that came into the League of Kansas.

989
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: He's He's still someone that the Cowboys can use. He

990
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: is still a guy that can be effective, whether's next,

991
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: whether Harrison we can run laterally or not, he is

992
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: still a guy that clogs up the middle and still

993
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: can make plays. So though these other teams have those

994
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: spots already filled, that's why they didn't resign them. So

995
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: the thing is, Mickey, that's why this whole thing is

996
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: so interesting. When you talk about free agency and you

997
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: look at you start surveying the land and you look

998
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: at who's signing who's not. I'm sure that's what the

999
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: front office is doing, trying to get guys that fit

1000
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. Just get a warm body

1001
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: in a seat. Why in the seat, Mick, Why are

1002
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: they available? Because the cap reasons that other teams have

1003
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 1: them available cap space, they just couldn't get them signed.

1004
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Gerald McCoy isn't a bum. He's a guy

1005
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: that's been playing at a high level for a lot

1006
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: of years, and so he's a free agent. You make

1007
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: the statement, oh, he's a free agent for a reason.

1008
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: He fit perfectly into what we needed and he's signed it.

1009
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: It was a friendly or not. He's signed a three

1010
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: year deal too, right, So, Mick, so that's a good one.

1011
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: But you'll take that, You'll take McCoy. But all of

1012
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: these other guys regardlessly. We can't sign them to longer deals.

1013
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: And I hear what you're saying. Teams have given up

1014
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: on Harrison in the last couple of years too. You

1015
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about him because he just tweeted

1016
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: that he got no contact from the Cowboys. Mick, See there,

1017
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: what am I tell him? That's what I'm trying to

1018
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach you, guys. Was the report? Poe

1019
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: was the report. It wasn't Snacks Harrison. Snacks Harrison was

1020
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: just a plug and play that media has been talking about.

1021
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: And same thing and same thing with Poe, right that

1022
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: we know of. I guess, yeah, I guess you're right. Well,

1023
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's been more substance with Poe

1024
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: though than there was with anything in terms of Snacks Harrison. Well, Mick,

1025
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways, though. I mean, I

1026
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: know I'm with you. They they are a little more

1027
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: caps trapped than people would like to think, in part

1028
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: because they're thinking long term with some of the big

1029
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: contracts they need to get done, including DAK that would

1030
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: help them, that wouldn't hurt them. Well, okay, but there

1031
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: is only so much space to go around, especially when

1032
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: you have a top heavy ross. I get that. But

1033
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, looking there can be value in

1034
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: the second wave of free agency. We've seen it here before.

1035
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: It's not there are you know. It doesn't mean that

1036
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: they're only bad players left. Sometimes it's a cap situation,

1037
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it's an age situation. But the Cowboys can still

1038
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: find help in those areas. But if you're telling me

1039
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: they don't have money to spend in the first wave

1040
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: of free agency, then what else are they supposed to do.

1041
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: They can't just wait for the draft for everything? You know,

1042
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sure how to answer that. I

1043
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: get you, did I get you? They gotta do something.

1044
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: You just talked out of both sides of your mouth.

1045
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: You said, you just told me that they got to

1046
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: do something, but they don't have any money to do

1047
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: it with. No, I'm saying, so, don't devalue these second

1048
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: wave signings. They've done in the past and had success

1049
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: doing it. So what what do you want them to do?

1050
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: Is my is my question. If they're not going to

1051
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: spend tons of money the first week, then they've got

1052
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: to nibble on the outer edges of free ation. I

1053
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: understand the nibbling, but don't don't try to sell me

1054
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: a bill of goods that they've gotten better. I'm not

1055
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm not saying they've gotten better. They but

1056
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: they have to find a way to feel phill holes. Oh,

1057
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: they can't end they can't. They can't do it just

1058
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: on the last weekend in April. But we're we're hailing

1059
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Speaker 1: these one year deals. I don't know who's hailing a

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Speaker 1: one year deals. You're the veterans that have come in

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Speaker 1: that are trying to kind of back in the backside

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Speaker 1: of their career into potentially a longer deal later on.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong. I don't know why there's so much

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Speaker 1: things wrong with a one year deal overall. That's my question,

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Speaker 1: because to me, if they were, if they were that good,

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Speaker 1: somebody signed them to a three year deal. You liked

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Speaker 1: the cops signing last year, you did, I did, and

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Speaker 1: he and he parlayed it into a deal that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys just couldn't match or didn't didn't feel was was

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Speaker 1: appropriate to match. And it was a one year deal,

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Speaker 1: and he was bet on himself. He was a guy

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Speaker 1: that bet on himself because the Packers didn't want him back.

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Speaker 1: I'm just using that at some injury problems I understand,

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Speaker 1: but not using as an example. You're in the same

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Speaker 1: situation again. This year guy wins the best and goes

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Speaker 1: on and signs a big contract. When you when you commit,

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Speaker 1: when you commit a large amount of your salary cap

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Speaker 1: space to a few of your high priced, top guys,

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Speaker 1: this is what you have to do. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is how you have to operate. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the McCoy signing, even though it's a three

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Speaker 1: year deal, I think is more in line of how

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Speaker 1: they operate year to year. It's it's pretty good value

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Speaker 1: and they're going to try to do that with another

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Speaker 1: spot or two before they're done here. I'm not fans

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Speaker 1: of three hundred and forty pound defensive lineman who can't

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Speaker 1: move well. There's also a ton of time between now

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Speaker 1: and even the start of when we think training camp

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Speaker 1: will get under way, So I say, right now, the

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Speaker 1: defense isn't as good as last year. But by the

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Speaker 1: time you maybe get a don Terry Poe or another

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Speaker 1: piece in free agency, and then you add a couple

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Speaker 1: more of these draft picks, a couple Day one guy

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Speaker 1: or a Day one guy and a couple Day two guys,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you might be just as good,

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Speaker 1: if not better than you were last year. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that as a prediction by any means, but there's

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Speaker 1: always that opportunity that you go out and you sign

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Speaker 1: the right guys. You bring in these dudes on cheaper deals.

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Speaker 1: Cheap money, good play, and a value pick are the

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Speaker 1: three things that you really need to try and build

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contending roster. And I think that's still

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Speaker 1: in the year for the Cowboys over all. Any last words, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: before we sign off out of here, I think the

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Speaker 1: wood thing we need to remember about Travis Frederick, and

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Speaker 1: this is a cautionary trail tale for all the draft

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Speaker 1: experts out there. That was a bad pick. If you remember,

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Speaker 1: everybody said criticized the Cowboys. They traded down and they

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Speaker 1: took a center that supposedly they could have got in

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Speaker 1: the second or third round and the pick was criticized,

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Speaker 1: And now seven years later, I would like to see

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Speaker 1: those people put their hand up in the air because

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Speaker 1: now he's being hailed as, oh my gosh, what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do without Travis Frederick. So from a

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Speaker 1: draft stamp point, don't all think you're perfect out there

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Speaker 1: when you're analyzing the draft. I know the Cowboys aren't

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Speaker 1: perfect making picks they miss, but they sure hit on

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Speaker 1: that guy and they're sure sorry to see him go. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last thing for me on Travis, just remember two years

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Speaker 1: ago when he sat out the season, he did not

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Speaker 1: miss a single meeting, practice, or game despite what he

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Speaker 1: was dealing with and and and the symptoms and the

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Speaker 1: things he was he was dealing with with GBS were

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Speaker 1: very serious and very restrictive, but he was still there

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Speaker 1: for his team and really inspired his teammates. And I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to miss that leadership next year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Travis Frederick for me, I mean, he's he's I'm guilty

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Speaker 1: of watching football from the inside out and it has

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Speaker 1: been a joy to watch him and Zach Martin in

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Speaker 1: the middle of our offensive lines just completely gutting guys.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just look back on the end

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Speaker 1: of game versus uh the Saint versus the New Orleans

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Speaker 1: Saints at Cowboys Stadium, and man, those guys were I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll run offense what we did against them, And it

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Speaker 1: was all due to Travis Frederick. And you know, house

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Speaker 1: basically how smart he is, how tough he is. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna miss that. That's gonna leave a gaping hole for us.

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Speaker 1: But you know, hopefully, you know in the NFL there's

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Speaker 1: this next man up mentality, but just who he was,

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Speaker 1: not just on the field, but also the work that

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Speaker 1: he did in the community. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: make a lot about what these guys do in the community.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that and I know that that is

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Speaker 1: a legacy that he will continue because he has been

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Speaker 1: so giving and so generous to so many in the

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Speaker 1: Dallas community. And so you know, again it goes more

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Speaker 1: to them to say of what he did on the field,

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Speaker 1: his off the field contributions were amazing. And one quick

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Speaker 1: story from me for Travis Frederick overall, when I was

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Speaker 1: hired by the Cowboys last year, I did some of

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Speaker 1: the open locker rooms and things like that. Around Week

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Speaker 1: two of the season, there were three guys that reached

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Speaker 1: out to me and kind of talk to me that

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Speaker 1: first day because they had recognized the new face. The

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Speaker 1: first one was Travis Frederick, the second one was Randall Cobb,

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Speaker 1: and the third one was Bason Witten. So the fact

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Speaker 1: that those three guys reach out to me made me

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Speaker 1: feel welcome and overall like that. So that's one story

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Speaker 1: that I'll always look back on. With Travis Frederick, it's

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Speaker 1: a very recent story, and his career overall was something

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Speaker 1: that I always enjoyed watching just as a football fan

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Speaker 1: and a guy who really respects good offensive line pitt play.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna be missed and he's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: bigger hole for the Cowboys to fill than I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people realize. But that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: here for us on Talking Cowboys, we hope you're staying

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad Mickey got to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: work a camera and got connected for us. Hey, just

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