WEBVTT - Ships of Life: Stowaways 

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<v Speaker 1>By Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe

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<v Speaker 1>McCormick and Robert. You remember back in the day when

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<v Speaker 1>we did that pair of episodes about urban evolution, about

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<v Speaker 1>how certain animals and plants were adapting to the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that humans are changing the landscape on the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, changing it to build cities, to build suburbs

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. And and along with all this change

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<v Speaker 1>in the landscape come new ecological niches, new opportunities for nutrition,

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<v Speaker 1>new ways of surviving, new new incentives and disincentives, and

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<v Speaker 1>along with that you get this whole new brand of

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<v Speaker 1>evolution is the kinds of creatures that evolved to live

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<v Speaker 1>in environments that we've created. Now, of course, it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to think about ways that that might happen in in

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<v Speaker 1>city is on land, but you can also think about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that sometimes people refer to like aircraft carriers

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<v Speaker 1>and large naval vessels as a city at sea, So

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<v Speaker 1>that starts to maybe make you wonder, is the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing happening with our large water craft? Are we creating

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<v Speaker 1>sort of urban marine environments in which in which all

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<v Speaker 1>new types of evolutionary niches are created. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>great question, and this is a question we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into, uh in this at one point almost literally

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<v Speaker 1>right uh, in this two part exploration of stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>boil your mind. The first episode here is going to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on functional ships, ships at sea at large, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to talk in the second episode about

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<v Speaker 1>what very often happens to ships at sea. Eventually they

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<v Speaker 1>wind up at the bottom of the sea, right they

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<v Speaker 1>wind up at shipwrecks, and in in either case there

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<v Speaker 1>are all these wonderful examples of how life adapts to

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<v Speaker 1>this unnatural structure, this unnatural uh floating, be it a

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<v Speaker 1>floating you know, city of floating, an aircraft carrier, or

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<v Speaker 1>just a mere dinghy blister in barnacles. Am I so

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<v Speaker 1>excited to talk about this stuff today? Yes? Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to throw in just a quick note, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to talk about some of the dire

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of ships, but we're not going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the particulars. Some of these we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, concerning say, ship strikes and propellor injuries

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<v Speaker 1>to uh. To various organisms or sonic distress that can

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<v Speaker 1>occur just thanks to the sheer volume that just the

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<v Speaker 1>noise created by all of these large vessels let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the technologies they utilize. So not so

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<v Speaker 1>much the direct kinetic conflict between ships and wildlife, but

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<v Speaker 1>more like the the adaptations. Right, look at the non

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<v Speaker 1>human organisms that managed to thrive on ships, even though

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases their their their ability to thrive manages

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<v Speaker 1>to upset the balance of nature. Now, if I were

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<v Speaker 1>to start thinking about this topic, not knowing anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>the first organism that would come to my mind is

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<v Speaker 1>the barnacle. Yes, the barnacle. Uh. The barnacle is irresistible

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<v Speaker 1>because when you think of of ships, uh, you and

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<v Speaker 1>you try and focus in on organisms that are gaming

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<v Speaker 1>the system, the barnacle is just impossible to ignore. I'd say.

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<v Speaker 1>Barnacle is also a top five funny sounding word. Barnacle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of sounds like it's got that that K

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<v Speaker 1>sound that's always humorous in the in the English language,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it starts with like a barney sound. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But as ridiculous as they sound, they can it gets

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<v Speaker 1>pretty serious at times. Well, so I only think of

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<v Speaker 1>barnacles as growing on ships, but that can't be the

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<v Speaker 1>only place they grow. So what does the natural home

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<v Speaker 1>of a barnacle. Well, you do have some species of

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<v Speaker 1>barnacle that thrive in other situations, such as the particular

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<v Speaker 1>variety of barnacle that is parasitic to a particular species

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<v Speaker 1>of crab that grows up you know, under its it's plating. Yikes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty pretty nasty. I think this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that essentially like castrates the male crabs in uh, in

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<v Speaker 1>its you know, parasitic manipulation, brutal, Yeah, but especially ironic

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<v Speaker 1>given the size of barnacle genitalia. Yeah, but which we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to in a in a bit here. But but

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, when you're talking about barnacles, you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about barnacles that cling to rocks, and then along

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<v Speaker 1>comes the whole of a ship, and it often presents

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<v Speaker 1>a very rock like surface on which it can attach. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the barnacle is a pretty interesting organism in its own right,

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<v Speaker 1>without even getting into the complexity of ships. They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're a sessile suspension feeder, but they have two active

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<v Speaker 1>swimming larval stages, so that the final version. The the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the adult mature barnacle is indeed that little

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<v Speaker 1>crusty thing that's that's living on the rock around the

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<v Speaker 1>whole of the ship. That's the full vult that's the

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<v Speaker 1>full vultron. Yes, there are two stages before that where

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<v Speaker 1>they're free, free swimming their marine arthropods related to crabs

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<v Speaker 1>and lobsters. And they begin life as as these freshly

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<v Speaker 1>hatched larvae uh free moving plankton like creatures, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they developed through several mold stages into a a a

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<v Speaker 1>larva stage which seeks out a nice rock or a

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<v Speaker 1>rock like surface like the bottom of a ship to

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<v Speaker 1>call home. It positions itself, it's secrete cell shell platings

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<v Speaker 1>around it, and then it just never moves. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on if it's attached to a rock. It's probably depending

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<v Speaker 1>on on the tides, for instance, to bring food close

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<v Speaker 1>enough for it to snatch up with its grasping sire sirie,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you spell that? Ce i r r I siri? Nice? So,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like the world's most lethargic full vultron. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean basically they just set up shop and they

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<v Speaker 1>depend upon you know, the cyclical nature of of the

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<v Speaker 1>waters to bring them what they need to eat, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they grab it. You know, there are actually a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of organisms this in the ocean, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a couple of other ones throughout these episodes. But

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<v Speaker 1>what the barnacle has in common with several other of

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<v Speaker 1>these organisms is that, like he has multiple stages of life,

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<v Speaker 1>including a free moving stage of life, and then later

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<v Speaker 1>it settles down and becomes sessile or immobile and just

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<v Speaker 1>stays in one place and sort of reaches out for

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<v Speaker 1>food and mating opportunities. So I've read they were roughly

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty different species of barnacle.

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<v Speaker 1>And among shore barnacles, their habitat comes down to not

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<v Speaker 1>only region, but also shore level. So you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna like different different levels of shade. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>some cluster amid high energy shore waves, you know, where

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<v Speaker 1>there's just a lot of circulation, a lot of crashing waves,

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<v Speaker 1>while others actually attached so far upshore that waters only

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<v Speaker 1>rise high enough for them to feed like a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times a month. So you can already imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>there might be some like costs and benefits to that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of lifestyle. Like if you're in one of those

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<v Speaker 1>high energy wave region, I bet it's like that's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard on you with the water hitting you all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it probably also provides a lot more opportunities for

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<v Speaker 1>food to reach you, if stuff's coming in a lot, right, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, the main barnacle topic of interest here

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<v Speaker 1>today is the manner by which they attached to artificial structures. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they attached to wharfs, uh, any kind of structure that

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<v Speaker 1>we have built and placed in the water, but particularly

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<v Speaker 1>UH they are infamous for attaching to the holes of ships.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this may come as no surprise to our more

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<v Speaker 1>nautical listeners, anybody out there who has been any amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time at sea or has you know, served in UH,

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the navy or whatnot. But barnacles are

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<v Speaker 1>a huge problem for ships, and they have been been

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<v Speaker 1>a problem for ships as long as we've had marine vessels.

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient seafaring people had to contend with the accumulation of barnacles.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do mean accumulation because we're not talking just

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of organisms. We're talking in some cases tons

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<v Speaker 1>of barnacles, literal tons of barn uncles, and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>just attach, They grow into the surface and formed dense

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<v Speaker 1>calcium deposits underneath the paint. And the technical name for

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<v Speaker 1>this growth on ships is biofouling nice, which which is misleading, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean they're the barnacles just doing what it

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<v Speaker 1>is evolved to do. You you could make the argument,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're kind of biofouling and they're just biofouling

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Everybody's biofouling. Yeah, I mean, if we're really

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<v Speaker 1>tellying up biofouls, we should have biofouled out as a

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<v Speaker 1>species by now. Oh yes, And I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that becomes obvious throughout these podcast episodes. So how

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<v Speaker 1>did ancient people contend with barnacles? Well, there were two

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<v Speaker 1>time tested methods here. The first and the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>option that is still practiced today is to just periodically

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<v Speaker 1>dry dock a vessel, bring it up out of the water,

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<v Speaker 1>and just scrape all the barnacles off the hull and

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<v Speaker 1>then repaint it because of course the they're gonna pull

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<v Speaker 1>the paint away with them. That sounds difficult, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's difficult. It's costly, especially with larger vessels, and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes your ship out of commission for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Another uh tactic that they had at their disposal,

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<v Speaker 1>some had their disposal anyway, it was too periodically dock

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<v Speaker 1>your saltwater vessel in freshwater so as to kill off

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<v Speaker 1>some barnacles. Because barnacles are a marine species, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna thrive in freshwater. So it but it

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the species. Apparently it's four to six hours

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<v Speaker 1>that's enough freshwater to kill some species, while others require

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<v Speaker 1>upwards of fifty hours. And they're apparently reports of ships

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<v Speaker 1>retaining their barnacles after being docked in freshwater for something

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty five months. So it doesn't it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you just bring it into the freshwater and just watch

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<v Speaker 1>them all fall off necessarily. You've got a few tough

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<v Speaker 1>guys in there. Now some stats about why barnacles are bad,

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<v Speaker 1>just to really just drive home, like you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to a ship's hole just encrusted with

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<v Speaker 1>these things and some of these stats. It's come from

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<v Speaker 1>a really insightful um but of course kind of jovial

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<v Speaker 1>April Edition article in addition of popular mechanics, does it

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<v Speaker 1>have puns. Um. I think it's gonna do a few

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<v Speaker 1>puns here and there, but these are mostly just the

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<v Speaker 1>facts here. This article pointed out that fifty to a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred tons of barnacles they may be removed from a

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<v Speaker 1>single scraping from some larger vessels, while very large vessels

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<v Speaker 1>may produce two hundred to three hundred tons of barnacles.

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<v Speaker 1>So think about ship carrying that much extra weight. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about you yourself carrying that much extra weight or something

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<v Speaker 1>more proportional to the human body around with you just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sheer, uh, you know, essentially parasite weight. So this

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<v Speaker 1>could be like over a hundred cars worth of barnacles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is crazy to think about. I mean, look at

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<v Speaker 1>it this way. A really large vessel may have an

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<v Speaker 1>acre or more of space for barnacles if you just

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<v Speaker 1>imagine it just folded out flat, like a field of barnacles,

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<v Speaker 1>the unsuccessful sequel to Field of dreams. Yes, and as

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine, this sort of accumulation can impact the

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<v Speaker 1>effectiveness of a vessel. It increases the frictional resistance, requiring

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<v Speaker 1>from one fifth to one third more fuel to operate

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<v Speaker 1>and reducing speed by one fourth. To one third of

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<v Speaker 1>its optimal like d barnacled speed. And then on top

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<v Speaker 1>of this, you know, especially by modern estimates, it can

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the fuel economy of a vessel by up and

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<v Speaker 1>this increases c O two emissions. So uh, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all these additional effects that spill off from just having

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<v Speaker 1>to drag all these extra organisms around with you. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that you've been describing all this, the barnacle based torture

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<v Speaker 1>method idea starts to make a lot more sense. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about keel hauling. Yeah, I don't know much

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but I know it involves barnacles, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we I feel like maybe we'd have to hand it

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<v Speaker 1>off probably to like ridiculous history for them to do,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, proper history of kuel hauling, because it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of these things that is that that everyone pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much agreed with bar barring. But here's the basic idea.

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<v Speaker 1>You take a pirate or sailor whoever is on board

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<v Speaker 1>that you're just pleased with. Is this something pirates would do?

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<v Speaker 1>There are accounts of pirates doing it, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>account they're also accounts of of it happening on naval vessels.

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<v Speaker 1>But it you know, it was long seen is just

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<v Speaker 1>a barbaric thing that that was frowned upon in many

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<v Speaker 1>different naval traditions, but other places considered it a viable punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>But the ideas that you would you would rope somebody up,

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<v Speaker 1>throw them over the front of the vessel, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they would be dragged banged under the hole and then

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<v Speaker 1>come up on the other side. I would come up

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of the vessel, and of course that

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<v Speaker 1>whole is covered in yield barnacles. Yeah, so although the

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<v Speaker 1>shell scraping into your body, lacerating you on top of you,

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<v Speaker 1>you just you know, slamming into the whole of the ship. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that that alone could be enough to kill you. And

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<v Speaker 1>then of course the drowning risk the cold waters in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases. So yeah, it's a pretty pretty grotesque thing

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<v Speaker 1>due to somebody. Uh, but it certainly becomes more grotesque

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<v Speaker 1>when you consider acres of barnacles. That is awful. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier ancient sailors dealing with the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>barnacles and coming up with solutions. One particularly effective solution

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<v Speaker 1>was copper. Oh copper, I mean, copper is a metal

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<v Speaker 1>we had access to for a long time, even before

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<v Speaker 1>we had bronze, we had copper. Yeah, so you saw

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<v Speaker 1>the ancient Greeks and the Romans, for instance, using copper

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<v Speaker 1>nails on the whole of their vessels. Uh. Later in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century, the British Navy sheathed its wooden holes

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<v Speaker 1>and copper um in part to deal with the barnacles,

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<v Speaker 1>but also to deal with shipworms, which we'll we'll touch

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<v Speaker 1>on later. Now you're probably wondering why copper, Why does

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<v Speaker 1>copper work? You know, because just it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a metal alone, because we have steel holes that's still

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<v Speaker 1>become covered with barnacles. Well, the reason is because in

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<v Speaker 1>the water a toxic film forms on copper that repels

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<v Speaker 1>barnacle larvae and this is even them inside. It as

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<v Speaker 1>a potential factor in the superiority of the British Navy

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<v Speaker 1>at the time they had the copper plated holes, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the ships were just that much more efficient than

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<v Speaker 1>all of the competing vessels because they had just far

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<v Speaker 1>fewer literal hangars on on the holes. Now do you

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<v Speaker 1>know if they were coated in copper specifically for this

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<v Speaker 1>reason intentionally or was that just a happy accident. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was to deal with barnacles and shipworms.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course the age of the wooden warship came

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<v Speaker 1>to an end in favor of steel, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>you end up losing your copper advantage. Now you can

0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.280
<v Speaker 1>use copper laced paints, but these particles leach out, and

0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.920
<v Speaker 1>in doing so they end up hurting vulnerable organisms that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't attaching to your hole, like salmon and oysters, meanwhile

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<v Speaker 1>depleting the paint of its protective power, so you end

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<v Speaker 1>up having to deal with the barnacles again. Anyway, then

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<v Speaker 1>there have been other poison based methods as well, So

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<v Speaker 1>lacing your whole paint with arsenic mercury strict nine cyanide

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<v Speaker 1>tin apparently pretty effective, but you end up with the

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<v Speaker 1>same consequences, just killing sea life wherever the ship goes,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just raining down death, just poisoning the ocean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the since that, the synthetic drug metatomadine has proven

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<v Speaker 1>pretty effective. According to a two thousand eleven article in

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<v Speaker 1>Popular Science by Joshua Saul, the drug quote activates the

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<v Speaker 1>octopamine receptor, is similar to adrenaline receptors in barnacle larvae,

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<v Speaker 1>causing them to flee. So in other words, it just

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<v Speaker 1>like cranks them up on barnacle math and so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't settle in. Then they end up swimming off.

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<v Speaker 1>It wears when it wears off, but they end up

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't fix themselves to the whole. They're

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<v Speaker 1>like Jason, stay them in that movie exactly. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna You're not gonna see Jason stay them in those

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<v Speaker 1>cranked movies, like settle down anywhere. No, he's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>in constant motion. Uh. Now some other solutions have also

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<v Speaker 1>been presented UH many in recent years, such as the

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<v Speaker 1>use of a robotic whole bio mimetic underwater grooming system

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<v Speaker 1>or whole bug. So that'd be sort of like a

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<v Speaker 1>Remora fish for your for your shift, go along and

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<v Speaker 1>clean a whole room, but if you will, okay um.

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<v Speaker 1>There also have been new chemical approaches that depend on

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, you know, on natural chemicals that have

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<v Speaker 1>been found in um in other organisms, bio mimetic approaches

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<v Speaker 1>that are based on say, shark skin or other uh

0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:29.080
<v Speaker 1>surfaces or structures skin, other skin inspired whole hydro gels.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's been some some research concerning bacterial solutions

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<v Speaker 1>as well. UH but barnacles remain a problem. They've they've

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<v Speaker 1>performed exceedingly well and they continue to do so. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ships they grow on stick to a very

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<v Speaker 1>small geographic area. Uh, some don't move at all, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if they say, you know, sink to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the sea, as we'll get to in their second episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But one interesting byproduct of all of this is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's enabled barnacles to travel in ways that they never

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<v Speaker 1>did in pre modern or even pre human time. Well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in their their later stages of life. Barnacles are

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<v Speaker 1>not light footed. You know, they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>hiking around unless they happen to end up on something

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<v Speaker 1>that travels with them. Right. And then, remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though this is the endpoint, barnacles do breed. The

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<v Speaker 1>cycle of life is going to continue, and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue with those plankton like um mobile larvae. And

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<v Speaker 1>while we're on the subject of barnacle breeding, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>never looked up barnacle penises, that's worth of google. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The barnacle penises, i think are just one of either

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<v Speaker 1>the largest or one of the largest like penis to

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<v Speaker 1>body size ratio in in the entire animal kingdom because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they can't like move around to find a mate,

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<v Speaker 1>so they essentially have to reach to find a mate,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there isn't a very strong incentive to have

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<v Speaker 1>a ridiculously long penis, and that is what a lot

0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of these little creatures have, so that they're not only

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<v Speaker 1>clinging to your whole, feeding from your whole, they're also

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<v Speaker 1>breeding on the whole of your ship up. So this

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<v Speaker 1>scenario with the you know, the ships encrusted with barnacles,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the ships moving around, uh sometimes across the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the globe. This has led to the spread

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<v Speaker 1>of various invasive barnacle species linking coastal inco ecosystems that

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<v Speaker 1>would have never come into contact with with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise threatening to biodiversity in the process. And certainly barnacles

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<v Speaker 1>are just one part of the problem. But even in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, according to Assessing the Global Threat

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<v Speaker 1>of Invasive Species to marine biodiversity by Muhlner at All

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<v Speaker 1>published in Frontiers and Ecology and the Environment, as few

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<v Speaker 1>as sixteen percent of marine ecosystems were unaffected by invaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and they stressed that these figures might be off due

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<v Speaker 1>just to under reporting. I mean previously, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to think about the invasive species threats caused

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<v Speaker 1>by ocean travel on boats, I primarily would have thought

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<v Speaker 1>of terrestrial animals stowing away in car go holds or

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<v Speaker 1>on boats and then getting moved from say, one island

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<v Speaker 1>to another. Yeah, I would not really have considered much

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<v Speaker 1>the marine ecosystems that are brought along by the parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat that are underwater or maybe even filled

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<v Speaker 1>with water, which we can get to in a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we do that, first of all, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a break, and then we're going to discuss another

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<v Speaker 1>very notable infamous ship hopping organism. And this one resides

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<v Speaker 1>inside the hole a rascal with lungs. Thank alright, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think it is? What's the other

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<v Speaker 1>big organism that comes to mind when you think about

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<v Speaker 1>about the ships at sea? Hyenas? That would be good.

0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.959
<v Speaker 1>I didn't run across any any particular mention of hyenas.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No, it's got to be the rat, right, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be the rat, the rat man. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>most prominent religion with a rat god? Because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to join that one. I mean, rats are impressive. You

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<v Speaker 1>just gotta hand it to them. They know what's up. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it does remind me that the Ganesha has a has

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<v Speaker 1>a rat as a vehicle, you know, and the rat

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<v Speaker 1>does have have some importance in different corners of Hinduism.

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<v Speaker 1>But but the idea of a of a rat is

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle, a thing that would you know, that would

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<v Speaker 1>move you, that would move the remover of obstacles. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That that fits perfectly what we know of the rat.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the rat has gone everywhere that humans have gone.

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<v Speaker 1>It is our our our furry secretive shadow, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>after like micro organisms that live inside our bodies. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything more inherently linked to human civilization that we

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<v Speaker 1>take with us everywhere we go to the extent of

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<v Speaker 1>a rat. I can't think of one. No, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe cockroaches are perhaps another example. But in

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<v Speaker 1>both cases we're dealing with with animals that have been

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<v Speaker 1>with us as long as we've had surplus food, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we've been growing enough to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll save this for later. The rats have been around

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<v Speaker 1>um and and so as long as we've been piling

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<v Speaker 1>some of the surplus uh material into ships or boats

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<v Speaker 1>the rats have been willing to come on board and

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<v Speaker 1>and find a place to hide if there is at

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<v Speaker 1>all room for them. Now, I wonder what makes a

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<v Speaker 1>rat decide to join the navy, Like, not all rats

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<v Speaker 1>do this. Some rats just hang out, but other ones

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<v Speaker 1>they go into the boats. And they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>that settled the new rat frontiers. Do we know what

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<v Speaker 1>makes one decide to do that? Well, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>the available food. It's it's just but we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>into like some slight differences here between the brown rat

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<v Speaker 1>and the black rat as far as it's willingness to

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<v Speaker 1>go to sea. Now, I should also point out that

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to always having ship rats, we've also always

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<v Speaker 1>had ship cats to deal with the problem. Like even

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<v Speaker 1>even on like ancient Egyptian river boats, the cats were there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back into the vikings had ats for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that, yeah uh. And then we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>some examples later on of other know, some menagerie's living

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>aboard sea going vessels. Um, But it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>as with the cat in with the dog. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this mix of purpose and companionship, Like the cat

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<v Speaker 1>is there, the cat is amusing you have a little

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<v Speaker 1>antisocial but then it occasionally kills a rat or a

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>mouse that would otherwise try and get into your provisions

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<v Speaker 1>or your cargo. Okay, question just popped into my mind

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<v Speaker 1>of interpretation of some great mythology. Take the Noah's ark story.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have two of every animal. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>a different version where sometimes you gotta have more of

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<v Speaker 1>certain animals. But like, but yeah, so you gott have

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<v Speaker 1>at least two of every animal, male and female. Do

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 1>you do you bother packing two rats? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>just assume you're gonna have at least a few hundred

0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>rats anyway, so you don't bother to like put put

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.240
<v Speaker 1>those on board. I like to imagine that that Noah

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<v Speaker 1>asks the Almighty this and says, hey, do I need

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to pack the rats and the mice? And God says says, now,

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about those that they're self packing. Right, if

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you build it, they will come. Yeah, they're already. They're

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 1>they're waiting on you. The field of barnacles. That that's

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the motto. So when we look at rat success stories,

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<v Speaker 1>we're mainly talking here about the black rat Ratus rattus

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a k a. The ship rat. And then there's brown

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<v Speaker 1>the brown rat or Rattus nor vegicus. Now, these are

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<v Speaker 1>just in general, some of the most successful mammals on

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the planet, especially the brown rat, which with few exceptions,

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>just lives wherever humans live. Um and as such, the

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>story of human migration is the story of of rat migration.

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<v Speaker 1>To a large extent, every island or new land that

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>humans have brought ruined too, they've also brought rats, rats,

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>who in turn have decimated native species, out competing them

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>for resources, introducing diseases, and preying on them, all depending

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>on how a given organism fits into the black or

0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 1>brown rats approach to life, and sometimes the portunate natives

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that fall to these new rat overlords our rodent species themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've touched touched on some of these, uh in

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<v Speaker 1>our discussions of Christmas Island. Oh yeah, it was the

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>idea there that there was some native rat on Christmas

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Island that kept the crab populations in check originally. Yeah,

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the hypothesis anyway, and then there were like invasive

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>rats that killed off those rats, and then the crab

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>population skyrocket, right, Yeah, but that's potentially what's happening so

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the first success story though here was that of the

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 1>black rat and the house mouse. They followed human agricultural

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.120
<v Speaker 1>expansion for thousands of years, but interestingly enough, the brown

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<v Speaker 1>rat didn't leave its native abode in China and Mongolia

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<v Speaker 1>until far more recently um and so this would be

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<v Speaker 1>the difference alluded to in you know, of a rat's

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<v Speaker 1>willingness to take to see or take to the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at a two thousand sixteen genomic study

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<v Speaker 1>published in the Royal Society's journal Proceedings be that mapped

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion of the brown rat using tissue samples from

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<v Speaker 1>three d and fourteen rats from seventy six global locations.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was the first in depth genetic study of

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<v Speaker 1>brown rats from around the world and was conducted by

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<v Speaker 1>Fordham University. They followed this sub species movements first of

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<v Speaker 1>all into Southeast Asia, and from there I believe they

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 1>went to they hit Japan and in Siberia, and then

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>there was another movement that ends up going out across

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Eurasia via the Silk Road. And then once it gets

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 1>all the way to Europe, that's that's where it really

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>uh sets off because here it's it is it perfectly

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>lined up for the voyages of discovery and of course,

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of course a colonization and exploitation. So from here they

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>end up reaching the America's Africa, Australia and untold you

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>know islands in between. And one key point here, according

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to the researchers, is that while the black rat is

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<v Speaker 1>a natural expansionist, following the path alf of grain and

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>garbage through human history, the brown rat is otherwise is

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>usually normally you know, it's normally happy just to hang

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>out in a single location. He's the Bilbo Baggins of rats.

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not eager to travel and adventure, at

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>least not without some prodding. Um. But of course we

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>know Bilbo does travel, he does adventure, right, So so

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the question then is you know what prodded him on,

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>what prodded the uh, this particular species of rat on?

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Well basically yeah, but you know, again, the house mouse

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 1>originated in the fertile crescent black rats in India, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, early farming societies and widespread trade, that's

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 1>what pumped these rodents out pretty early on. But the

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>brown rat didn't really jump into high gear to the

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 1>last three centuries, the most recent three centuries of human civilization,

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>particularly the brown rats of Europe again who departed on

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>these voyages uh to uh, you know, to take North

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 1>and South America Africa and show you and uh and

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>in that the Brown rats expansion expansion, the authors argue here,

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>is entirely human mediated. Uh. It's depending into a very

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<v Speaker 1>large extent on the ships. Interestingly enough, the researchers didn't

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.919
<v Speaker 1>find evidence of a lot of rat immigrants though to

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.159
<v Speaker 1>New York City. They were looking at the the the

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>rat genome there. But so many ships come there, yeah,

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.199
<v Speaker 1>so and and certainly the rats are still coming. But

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 1>they pointed out that what appears to be happening is

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>that the New York City rats are just so entrenched,

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>so well fed and powerful, and just so mean and territorial,

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>they can't be dethroned, exactly, they can't be beat. So

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they're actually protecting their territory from new incoming rats. If

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>But lots of people who can make it elsewhere can't

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>make it there, right And of course this this would

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>hold true theoretically for places beyond New York City. Essentially

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>like once the rats have entrenched themselves. Once the brown

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>rats have have taken over in an area, they're gonna

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.719
<v Speaker 1>hold it. They're gonna hold that fork because this is

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>their their sweet garbage empire. All right, I think we

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>should take a quick break, but when we come back,

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>we will talk about ballast water and builge life. Thank alright,

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>we're back. And and in this portion of the podcast

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 1>episode really getting into a territory of ship life that

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>is easy to overlook. Yeah, so yeah, you can imagine.

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the first thing I would have thought of

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>would be barnacles clinging to the hull. Then if you

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine things stowing away in a ship, obviously rats come

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to mind. But ship life, by by no means stops there.

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>There is so much more shift life to talk about. Uh,

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>And so I want to start with the question of

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen what's on the underside of like

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a yacht or a sail boat? What's down there? It's

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>not just like a sort of round bottom, right. What

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>you will usually see is a big fin thing poke

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<v Speaker 1>down into the water below the yacht or the sailboat.

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is known as the keel. I guess the

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>same word that's referenced in the horrible practice of keel

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>haul uh. And it can serves several functions, but one

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of the main functions of the keel is stability. It's

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>there to keep the boat stable and upright, and it

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>does this a couple of ways. So one is that

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>if you imagine like wind blowing really hard against the

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>sail of a sailboat and it's sort of tipping the

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.719
<v Speaker 1>boat over to one side, the keel will be underwater

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>pushing against the water, and this helps provide a counterbalancing

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>resistance force that makes it harder to roll the boat.

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Just imagine like empty out a plastic soda bottle and

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>floated on the surface of the water, and see how

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>easy it is to roll that around on its side.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Obviously would be very easy, But if you take a

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>single fin to the bottle running lengthwise under the water,

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 1>suddenly the fin hanging down in the water is going

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to make it a lot harder to roll the bottle around.

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>The other advantage is that the keel helps give the

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>boat a lower center of gravity. It pulls the center

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of the hull down and that also helps resist any

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>force that wants to roll the boat. Or I think

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>it's called healing healing the boat over to the to

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the side. Now, imagine that you've got a really big boat.

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>You want, like a cargo ship that can transfer a

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>load of shipping containers across the ocean. Obviously, it needs

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to have a very big hull, be very buoyant, So

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you might load it up with heavy cargo, uh, to

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to take to your destination, and it sits down deep

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>in the water because it's full, right uh. And so

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you deliver the cargo. But once you deliver the cargo,

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>if you don't fill back up immediately with more cargo,

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be traveling around with an empty or

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>mostly empty hull. You be riding high and dry exactly.

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>So you might imagine, oh, my god, is that what

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that phrase comes from. I never knew that, I assumed,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>but I actually have never looked it up. I'm gonna assume.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>You must us to be right. Can't wait for the

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>corrections if you're not. So. Yeah, So you might imagine

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that a ship in this situation faces a problem similar

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to a sailboat without a keel. Right, it's buoyant, it's

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>sitting high up in the water without enough mass deep

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in its hold to keep the center of gravity low

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and prevent it from rolling. So the answer to this

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>problem is what's known as ballast. This is material that's

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>taken into the ship's hull to provide stability. And if

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you're a giant metal tub sitting out in the ocean,

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a very convenient and accessible form of ballast is what water. Obviously,

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>so in chips that use ballast water, after they discharge cargo,

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>they will fill tanks in the hull up with water

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>for ballast and then pump the ballast water out when

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they load up their hull with new cargo. So they'll

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>be going to one place filling up with tens of

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>thousands of tons of seawater than going to another place

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and dumping it all out. Perhaps you can begin to

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>imagine how this could go wrong, because it's not just seawater.

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not just it's not like pure water from your

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>your out of your brid of filter. No, it's more

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>like the stank water that comes out of your refrigerator filter.

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Right do you have one of those? Is the refrigerator

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>put out nasty water? It does not put out any water. Now,

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we don't get to experience that. More than half the

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>people I know who have one of those things that

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>puts out water. It puts out this water with an

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>other worldly funk. I don't know what's going on there.

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>It may be being drawn from the ocean. But yeah,

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>So I want to talk about a few ways that

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>this could really go wrong, because in alertic it's kind

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of like a filter feeder. It's it's if it's as

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>if a large whale to one corner of the world

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>sucked all this stuff in and instead of digesting it,

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>just vomited it somewhere else. It's more like that that

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>ancient description of the kraken that we talked about it

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think in the Bathosphere episodes that said that it's,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, this giant fish that it sucks in like

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>mill ends of gallons of water. Basically, it sucks in

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>a whole ocean's worth of things and then just belches

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>it all out after it has partially eaten it or whatever.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just you're drawing in a lake basically.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, here's here's one thing that happened. I want

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the jelly invasion. So we will be

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>looking at the carnivorous tina for Nemeopsis laity, also known

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>as the sea wall nut. That sounds delicious. It's I

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I haven't tried it, you know. I did

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 1>forget to mention that there are varieties of barnacle you

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>can eat that are consumed in for instance, Japanese and

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Spanish customs. So the sea walnut, it's it's a species

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of comb jelly native to the east coast of the

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>America's So it goes sort of like along the east

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>coast of North America, I think somewhere around New England

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and then way all the way down to Argentina. It

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>does not really look like a walnut to me. You

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>can look it up. It's more like a It's a small,

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>transparent comb jelly is usually just a few centimeters or

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>a few inches long. It's got feeding tentacles, It's got

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>these spiny combs running up and down the length of

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the body that glow with a faint bioluminescence when the

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>jelly is disturbed. And so even though it is a

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>native to the U to the eastern coast of the

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>America's in the early nineteen eighties and Mimiopsis appeared in

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the Black Sea and it rapidly expanded to colonize the area.

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>In the words of author T. A. Shiganova in a

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>nine paper and Fisheries Oceanography, quote, the Black Sea was

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>characterized until the mid nineteen seventies as a highly productive

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>ecosystem at all trophic levels, which by the nineteen nineties

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>had degraded to an ecosystem with low biodiversity dominated by

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>a dead end gelatinous food web. Now that may be

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>just technical terminology, but it sounds it sounds quite pejorative.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So the Black Sea's got this dead end gelatinous food

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>web now. And to quote from article and New Scientists

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>by Fred Pierce, quote, at one point it's biomass reached

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a billion tons, ten times the world's annual fish landings.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, essentially what had been a diverse and thriving

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>habitat for marine life was turned into jelly hell, and

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>fish populations were hit really hard, especially since the sea walnut.

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>It hurts them in two different ways. It preys on

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 1>fish eggs and larvae directly, so it's eating up the fries,

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>but also it preys on zooplankton, which is a food

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>source for the fish. So it's just it's like a

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>biological apocalypse scenario. It's like like a green goose scenario,

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. So you've got this species of anchovy that

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>was really hit hard, the ingraulis in krasicolus, and that

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that was an important commercial fishery. It was catastrophically affected,

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>at least for a time in the nineteen nineties. Uh

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>that we should also note that the sea walnut was

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>not the only problem facing life in the Black Sea

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>at the time. You've got the other obvious culprits like pollution,

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>YouTube location and so forth lending a hand and really

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>screwing up this ecosystem. And given how we introduced this,

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it might not be hard to guess how the jellies

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 1>from Hell ended up colonizing the Black Sea. The most

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>likely explanation is they were brought there by accident in

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the ballast water of merchant ships. So ships somewhere that

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>these jellies existed naturally filled up their ballast tanks. They

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>went to the Black Seed to pick up some cargo,

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>They discharged their ballast tanks, and they spit a bunch

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 1>of jellies out into the Black Sea that quickly took root,

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>reproduced fast, and and colonized the entire thing and turned

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it into the dead end gelatinous food web. Yeah, nobody

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>wants that were basically in another blob scenario, right, Yeah,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 1>so maybe maybe you're you don't want to think about

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 1>dead en gelatinous food web. How about crab horror? Uh? So,

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>we we've mentioned, i think on the show before, the

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>invasive European green crab, the car car Kenis maynas, which

0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>is an invasive species in North America, thought to be

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>read by ships being carried across the ocean and ballast water. Yeah.

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I believe we touched at least briefly on the fact

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 1>that they're too small to eat, but if you have

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the proper equipment and methods, you can kind of process

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>them down into a rather tasty broth. That's been one

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>of the crab stock Yeah, crab stock, Yeah, essentially. Uh.

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 1>This is, of course, has been one of the solutions

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 1>or attempted solutions to many an invasive species problem. Can

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>we figure out a way for us to eat them? Um?

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>And and will certainly come back to another invasive species

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>for which we often try and roll out this this option,

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the rat, well man and the rat. The rat is

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly showing up and even the finest of restaurants in

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the in the world, but usually not on the plate,

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.839
<v Speaker 1>at least not while anybody's looking. Right. But this isn't

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the only invasive crab. Oh no, no, there are a

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>bunch of other species. I think we may have also

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that Chinese mitten crab. It's been spread far outside

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>its original range and not look nearly as interesting as

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 1>the name makes it sound. It's got kind of like

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's got kind of white claws maybe that look a

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit mitteny, but not just like full on mittens. No, no, no,

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that would be cool. But uh, but it's not like

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the boxing crab that has the pom poms, right, or

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like the hof crab, you know, the hydrothermal

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>vent lobster that had kind of kind of looks more

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>like it has mittens, at least to my eye. Now,

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess comparatively, this is a relatively boring looking crab.

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>But it is a harmful invasive species and brought from

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>one place to another by the discharge of ballast water. Probably.

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Now there's also there are even more tragic examples, like cholera.

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>So Cholera is a diarrheal disease caused by infection with

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the bacterium Fibrio colora, and according to the CDC, there

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 1>are an estimated two point nine million cases of cholera infection,

0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>leading to approximately nine thousand deaths worldwide every year. Cholera

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>is is a major public health menace, and it's spread

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>primarily through the ingestion of unclean, unwashed food and unclean

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>drinking water, especially say, when sewage is allowed to commingle

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>with water that's later used to drink or prepare food,

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>or or water crops or something like that. Uh. And

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 1>it's widely believed by experts that cholera is spread by

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>ballast water. I've seen ballast water cited by experts as

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>an explanation for an epidemic of cholera in South America

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>in the early ninety nineties that began in Peru but

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>spread to multiple countries and ended up killing thousands of people.

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.959
<v Speaker 1>Cholera is no joke, and we should always be thinking

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>about ways to stop it from spreading. But by taking

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 1>in ballast water at one place and dumping it out

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, you can risk spreading cholera from one point

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of the globe to another. And of course it's cases

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like these that that have led to public campaigns to

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 1>require all the merchant ships to sterilize ballast water. That

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>this is a a thing that would help prevent spreading

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.479
<v Speaker 1>harmful forms of ballast dwelling life from one place to another.

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>And there are plenty of ways to do this right.

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>You can have combinations of like filters just on intake

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>and outflow, your radiation biosides and all all that kind

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Everything you would expect. Yeah, because especially when

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 1>you when you really think about the sheer number of

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>big cargo vessels out there on the seas. You know,

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>we know, it's easy to sort of fall into the

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>trap of thinking about you know, us living in this

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>age that's defined by uh by air travel. But but

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>so many of our goods are are making their way

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>around the world on these giant ships. Yes, absolutely, you

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>use something that arrived by ship every day. Now, there

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of other organisms we could chat about here. Um,

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the zebra muscle, for instance, shows up a lot in

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>these papers. One that uh that I happened upon. I

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>mean I looked it up bit because when I think

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>of invasive aquatic species, I and help but think of

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the lion fish. Now if you if you've ever looked

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>at well salt water with fish in it, I feel

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 1>like there's a really good chance you've seen a lion fish.

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Because this also known as the zebra fish. It's confusing, well,

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>lion zebra it's very If you look at one, you

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 1>can it's the main thing you see is that it

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 1>has kind of a stripy ornate pattern, but also kind

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of a main kind of currence. You know, it's got both,

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>so both in the liberty spikes. Yeah, it looks they

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>look super stylish. Now, when we say lionfish, that's generally

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 1>referring to several species of the genus Taros tarois, but

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the most infamous member of the genus is the red

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>lion fish or tarois of Volatons, a beautiful and really

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>an almost delicate looking reef fish from the Indo Pacific

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>that is anything but delicate. No. These they may look

0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>like a living Christmas ornament, but they're a spiny, venomous

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>carnivore that has proven itself incredibly durable and has staked

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.439
<v Speaker 1>out invasive territory and warm waters around the world. Now

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you can find them u all up and down the

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic coast of North and South America from Rhode Island

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>to Brazil. Uh And they have a host of enemies

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in their native waters that will gladly gobble them up,

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, various sharks and whatnot, but they have no

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:28.239
<v Speaker 1>natural enemies elsewhere. In fact, some would be predators in

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>these foreign waters. They try to eat them, but they

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>can't cope with the spines, right, they haven't co evolved

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a defense, so you end up with just way too

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:40.919
<v Speaker 1>many lionfish hanging out. For instance, Um, several years ago,

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I went on a family trip to Jamaica and we

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of snorkeling, and it was just super

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>cool getting to see all of these you know, natural

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>denizens of this little coral reef that was right off

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>off the coast there. It was really one of the

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>most magical experiences of my life. But at the same time,

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>you'd reach these corners, you'd see, oh, here's a lionfish here,

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and here's the lionfish there, and they're not supposed to

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 1>be there. And then sometimes it would be like, oh,

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.760
<v Speaker 1>here's half a dozen lion fish just hanging out together.

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And yes, it's a beautiful organism. Uh And and that's

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 1>why they've been very popular as aquarium specimens, but when

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>they are taken out of their native waters, they just

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>take over. Now, why why do they wind up in

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>these native water as well? The most accepted theory, backed

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 1>up by a sort of limited genetic diversity and invasive populations,

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.720
<v Speaker 1>is that they stem from aquarium species that were dumped

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:35.359
<v Speaker 1>into the Atlantic Ocean around southeast Florida, UH and from

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 1>here the currents distributed their egg masses and larvae far

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and wide. But ballast waters can also help distribute larval dispersion,

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>certainly within their adopted habitats, but some have argue that

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it could have played a role in their overall expansion

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>as well. Um again, don't be fooled by the glamorous

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>look though these are. The lionfish is a hearty little monster.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that they could they could make it for

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a bit in the tank. There are there are at

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>least anecdotal accounts of them surviving in bulge water, you know,

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>just sort of the mucky water and the very depths

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of a ship. Over the last few decades, the world

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>has experienced and an exponential increase in documented marine invasions

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>due to the global transport of invertebrates in ballast water

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>as we've been touching on, and lion fish populations in

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic have increased as well. Though it's always worth

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 1>noting that there's there's more public awareness regarding the lion fish.

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 1>There have been some some um, some big campaigns to

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>encourage local fishermen to uh to catch lion fish and

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>then also reminding them like, here's how you can eat them.

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Here are cooking uh here, here some preparation methods you

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>can employ, and I'm told that they're quite tasty. But

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>then also the other part of this is that they

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>do stand out more as well. Like when you see

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>a lion fish uh in its own habitat or in

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>an an invasive situation, it really catches your attention because

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it is an eye grabbing fish. It is a fish

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>who's very body is alerting you to its presence and saying,

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>don't mess with me. Wherebert I'd say before this episode,

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 1>ballast water regulation was not something I realized was worth

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>caring about. Now I realized that is a very important

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>issue for for world ecological preservation. Absolutely. Now some of

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>you may be listening and wondering, well, just how many

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>different species can pile up in the bilge waters of

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 1>a ship like the lionfish right or or its whole

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, cleaning to the side or in the ballast.

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I looked at an article titled Marine Boating Habits and

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the Potential for the spread of Invasive Species in the

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Gulf of St. Lawrence by Darbyson at All, February two

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>th eight in Aquatic Invasion, Volume four. And they were

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>just looking at boats in the Atlantic's Gulf of St.

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence in Canada, and they found that bilge water and

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>whole scrapings from the vessels there contained thirty one and

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 1>forty seven taxa, respectively. So that's thirty one from billage water,

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>forty seven from whole scrapings. And this included such invasives

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>as the clubbed toniquet and the green crab. All right,

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And to clarify, how is bilge water different from ballast

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>water that's not ballast water. No. My understanding is that

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>bilge water is kind of it's more it's not it's

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>not so much intentionally taken in. It's not part of

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>this ballast system in these larger ships. I think it's

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>more like what manages to leak into the ship and

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 1>then gets pumped out later. Right. Yeah, so like older

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>ships like a clipper ship, Uh my understanding, would not

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 1>have had a ballast system certainly like a modern ship does,

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but it would have had bilge water. Nice. Now, of course,

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>there are a whole host of invasive creatures that ventured

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.399
<v Speaker 1>along on ships because humans intentionally brought them along. We've

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>already talked about the cat um we mentioned in passing

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the dog. Chickens came with us as well, and also

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 1>even some some old world monkeys came along for a ride.

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>And this h the idea of of old world monkeys

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 1>hanging out in in in the on a ship, in

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the riggings of of a ship, uh, forced me to

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 1>do a bit of a dive here looking into accounts

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of animals running wild, particularly primates running wild on old ships.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.879
<v Speaker 1>And there's actually there's an account from an eight nine

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>edition of the Sydney Morning Herald that tells of the

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.919
<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty nine voyage of the Margaret, which sets sail

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>from South Africa for Boston with a cargo of something

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 1>around a hundred cockatoos, a dozen snakes, two crocodiles and

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:43.359
<v Speaker 1>orangutang and a gorilla in various monkeys and parrots. And

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a horrible story, um that that.

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just just just full of terrible things happening. So

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 1>first of all, there were rats on board as well,

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of course, and they ate all the provisions for the birds,

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and that doomed most of the birds to perish. Then

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>bad weather released snakes and crocodiles, who then battled with

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the rats. At the end of this battle, Royal, you

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 1>had one crocodile remaining, and then it was crushed by

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 1>falling cargo in another storm. And then the monkeys escaped

0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 1>into the ship's rigging and the crew were only able

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to recapture four of them before uh more, stormy weather

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>set in and swept the rest of the monkeys out

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>to sea. Yeah, and so they perished. And then the

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>gorilla also got out and allegedly threatened sailors with a truncheon.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Um there. This is a quote that's related in the

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>BBC article of the incident from two thousand fourteen. Quote.

0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Having obtained possession of an iron bar, he commanded all

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.840
<v Speaker 1>objects within ten feet of where he was chained, reported

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the the Devisease and Wiltshire Gazette. With this formidable truncheon,

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 1>he threatened to brain every sailor who came within range.

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>The cook one day, unwarily approaching, heard the bar whistling

0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.759
<v Speaker 1>through the air and ducked, but not in time to

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>say his head, which was half scalped. WHOA. So yeah,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>they ended up with just a chain guerrilla throwing things

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.319
<v Speaker 1>around within the ship, and they just had to put

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>up with it until they got back. Why is it

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to feel bad for the humans? And yeah,

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't at all. I feel bad exclusively for the

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>for the animals in that story. But but it does

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 1>partially answer my question about about whether monkeys could take

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>up in the rigging of a ship and survive, say,

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:30.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, a transatlantic voyage and set up

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, you know, purely on their their own without

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the the humans enabling their journey. And I think the

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 1>answers is generally they could not. The humans would have

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to help them, because they would. There are a few

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.800
<v Speaker 1>cases like this where a monkey has swept out of

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the rigging into the sea. I ran a car across

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>several accounts uh that were from an eighteen seventies six

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Harper's Weekly article by Lady Vernie a. K. Francis Vernie

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>who lived eighteen nineteen through eighteen ninety. She mentions the

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>vessel on called the h MS You're Yalus and she

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 1>she writes that there was a monkey on the ship

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that had allegedly gotten into the ship's rigging and there

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 1>was fear that it might wreck uh the chronometer. And indeed,

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 1>one day the monkey crept into the room where they

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<v Speaker 1>kept the chronometer uh and then carried it off into

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<v Speaker 1>the rigging. And the crew, especially like the master who

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<v Speaker 1>was in charge of looking after this instrument, they were

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<v Speaker 1>just chasing after the monkey, trying to get it back,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally the monkey throws it into the ocean before

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<v Speaker 1>they can stop him. Mice. She also writes of a

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<v Speaker 1>monkey on another ship that reportedly held up in the

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<v Speaker 1>rigging until bad weather spilled it overboard and the sea

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 1>was rough, and the captain was just like, good leave

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it there. But the crew had become so attached to

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the monkey it was like, you know, their mascot. At

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<v Speaker 1>that point they insisted, no, we're lowering a boat and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna save the monkey. They it kind of sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, they so he's he caves. He's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go look for the monkey. They go down in

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<v Speaker 1>the boat are looking around for it, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>look up and they see that the monkey has already

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<v Speaker 1>reboarded the vessel and is climbed back into the rigging. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to high five that monkey. Uh. There's another account,

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<v Speaker 1>she writes, of the monkey Jocko, who had earned its

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<v Speaker 1>place aboard a particular ship and was known for jealously

0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>chucking a kitten overboard, and despite initial protest from from

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 1>from the dog from a mother dog on the ship,

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>it nursed a litter of puppies as well. But she

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<v Speaker 1>shares this quote from from one of the crew members

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<v Speaker 1>on this particular vessel, quote, Jocko was an abominable beast.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not bear him. He used to get drunk

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<v Speaker 1>and play underhanded tricks. Still, he was not altogether bad.

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<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, And and yet there's one more, she mentions,

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<v Speaker 1>without sighting a particular ship. Uh, an orangutan quote on

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<v Speaker 1>board a king's ship returning from India with a governor

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 1>general on board. Quote A most genteel person that put

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<v Speaker 1>on a flannel shawl every evening as soon as it

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<v Speaker 1>became cold. Crossing it tidily across its chest like a lady.

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<v Speaker 1>In this it was copying the Governor General's wife, who

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<v Speaker 1>was also on board. So so I guess the orangutang

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<v Speaker 1>was a you know, a pretty laid back passenger on

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 1>that voyage. But anyway, just a few um difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>substantiate stories of primates on the high seas well. Those

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<v Speaker 1>were a strange mix of horrifying and delightful, yes, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think kind of sums up human nautical adventures in general. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess we're all primates on the waves.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Alright, Joe, I think it's time to go

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