1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Should Major League Baseball 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: shorten up the season? How do we present football to 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: the audience of the future. I don't think that most 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: players understand the power that they have. Michael. The future 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: of Indy car racing is looking bright. Scott Sashnik very 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: basic math here, more bidders means more money. Evan Nobody Williams. 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: The team value has essentially quadruples. And the leaders in 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: the sports industry. Time to bring in our guest, hal Stinbrunner, 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman, Atlanta Braves President Derek Schiller, 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Patriots President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm Michael barn I'm Evan Novie Williams, and I'm Scottshnik. 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Every week at this time plus Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: we explore the big money issues in the world of 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: sports on this week's show. Right here he was in 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: the studio. I saw him person his hand. We have 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Indie five Driver and Mirrored Ball Champion for people who 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: like dancing with the stars Alio castor Nevis. But for 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: let's get into some of the topics and let's start 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: with a bid to jack up golf course tax rates 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: is failing in New York, and there's a connection to 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. I know how to win. I've won. 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: These people will tell you have I won many club championships. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: One of those clubs is Trump National in Westchester, suburban 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: New York and bar. What this is about is the 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: state trying to increase the tax on golf courses. They're 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: they're looking at what would the courses be worth if 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: they were developed into let's say, maybe a condominium complex, 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Like what's the full value of the course if it 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: was something else? And that's what they were trying to 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: assess the tax value. And Trump National is appealing that saying, 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, they they appealed their tax assessment and then 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: this whole plan to tax the courses at a higher 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: rate seems to have gone put for now. Yeah. Pretty 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: good story by our colleagues Patrick Clark and Sydney Mackie 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: this week. This one kind of jumped off the page 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: for me. For example, Westchester Country Club, which was a 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: former PG tour stop the town of Harrison and its 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: assessment role values the land, their values the course thirty 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: seven million dollars. If you take the current real estate 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: listings for land, just the value of land per acre 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: in Harrison, you that might be revalued at two million, 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: So valued right now at thirty seven million, actual value 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: might be over two d eighty million. That just shows 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: the discrepancy here, and obviously taxes on the values of 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: those two things differ very greatly. Well, I have to 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: ask why the drama. Why are the drama all this 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: with the tax rates? Do you know why every municipality 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: wants more money and they're trying to figure out ways 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: to get it? What was the movie? Remember Rodney Dangerfield. 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: We said the two biggest ways to real estate were 51 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: golf courses and cemeteries. I don't remember which one that was, No, no, no, 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: no no, but I don't think it was. I don't 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: remember back to school. Who knows, I don't maybe back 54 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: to school, I don't know, But I just remember him 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: saying the two biggest ways real estate golf courses and cemetery. 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: And this was This was carefully followed for a while 57 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: by by by golf course owners across New York. Obviously 58 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it's golf courses generally are not doing very well. If 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: you look at them over the past ten years, which, 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: by the way, help the argument now that on the 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: reassas value that they're not doing very well. Yeah, I 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: would believe that's true. Sure, but any increase in tax 63 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I would think is an argument that a lot of 64 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: golf course owners and operators would say, you know that 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: that made force us from going from profitable to unprofitable. 66 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the NFL union agreeing to mental health 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: and pain management studies and the connection involved in marijuana. Well, 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: the key here is that not just the union, but 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: the NFL and the union together agreed to assist the 70 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: players in this way. And you don't hear that, no, 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean one, you don't hear them agreeing on much. 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: Um they've started some CBA talks as well, But eban 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: I would say monumental, huge step for the NFL to 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: be willing to look at marijuana as a pain management drug. 75 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Just you know, it's just for a very very conservative league. 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: They're listening, they're watching, and they're addressing the concerns of 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: the players. And they're not alone. The NHL is also 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: kind of taking steps forward and into this possibility. Um, 79 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: I would think, you know, as more and more states 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: legalized recreational marijuana. I would think that the future, at 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: some point down the line is that, uh, this will 82 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: be allowed for for players. I don't know how long 83 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it's going to take, but you're right, certainly a big 84 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: step right now. And there have been a number of 85 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: NFL players former NFL players. Russell Okung jumps out to me, 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: offensive lineman who has been very vocal about, you know, 87 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: this idea that that this is a healthier alternative to 88 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: some of the other potentially more damaging pain control medication 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: that that players are using, oftentimes abusing. Um. But it's 90 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: good to see that the union in the NFL, you know, 91 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: are are willing to at least explore the possibility of 92 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: the next step. Here, let's talk about NASCAR. They have 93 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: acquired International Speedway for about two billion dollars. Now that 94 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: is a boost from NASCAR is off about one point 95 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: nine billion last that came up a little bit. But 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: the key here is Evan knows that they're both controlled 97 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: by the France family. NASCAR is seeking to sell a 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: minority interest in the entire race series. By by bringing 99 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: these entities together, bankers say it should be easier to 100 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: actually sell off a piece. Should they go through with 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: that plan? And why is that? If you're you know, 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: a depocketed person that wants to get into the race business, 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: why do you care whether the stock car circuit and 104 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: the courses are in the same company. I mean, single 105 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: entity is always easier. I mean you get your synergies aligned, 106 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: the redundancies are gone. If you can have a single entity, 107 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: just more attractive to a buyer, more easily easily to 108 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: make some much much easier to shop under one roof. 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: We talked about this a bit when NASCAR made that 110 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: original bid back in November that, as you said, Michael, 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: was forty two dollars a share. This is going to 112 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: close it. It It looks like a forty five dollars a share, 113 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: so around two billion dollars and that will happen at 114 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: some point in uh, Scott, do you expect if there 115 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: is a sale a minority or a majority sale of NASCAR, 116 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: do you expect that to happen? What's the time from 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: And again, it's going to be a strate teacher who 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: can make something of NASCAR, who can help them. That's 119 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: what they need. Let's see what NASCAR comes up with. Now, 120 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: let's get into this week's interview. First of all, you 121 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: see it, can you can't see the smile on why 122 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: can't I see the smile? Well, you can see the smile, 123 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: but the audience can't see the smile because everybody knows 124 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: we're doing racing. Your smile, your dog gone too. And 125 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: you know who we have. We have the man who 126 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: is in row four for this Sunday's Indianapolis five. I 127 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: love the way he said it, row four. That means 128 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: brings the number four into the table. Right now we're 129 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: talking about number four chasing the number four. How cool 130 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: that would it be. I like the way you just 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: this is absolutely I'm forty four. So there's everything's coming 132 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: into the synergy of the night. I wish I could 133 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: say part did that. There's four wheels on the car. 134 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: There you go. I have to explain what in case 135 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: you are not a racing fan, Alio is talking about 136 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: joining a special club of four time winners of the 137 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: Indianapolis and you have a great shot to do it 138 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: this weekend. Yeah, we do. Um. I well, first of all, 139 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: thank you guys for having me in the show. It's 140 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: a coming to New York. It's I've been in the 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: both situations early doing the media and after the win 142 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: coming back, which I hope that's what we're gonna do, 143 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: you know. But it's great to be back and great 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: to be talking to you guys, and hopefully, as you mentioned, 145 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: we're going to have a great opportunity here to join 146 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: a very exclusive club, which is only three drives were 147 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: able to do. We're in New York, the media capital 148 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: of the world. How much focus is there on indy 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: car and where are the best cities in the world 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: for you? If you're gonna say I'm gonna be immersed 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: in indie, I want to be in what city? And 152 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: where does New York? New York is obviously the the 153 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: top because you have an international community here. I mean, 154 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: just walking down the street you I was actually surprised 155 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: as so many people asking to take pictures. So it 156 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: shows that it doesn't matter. It can be exactly what 157 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: people really they recognize you're exact teamaybe that's probably calling 158 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: a lot of exactly like a fat head behind you. 159 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I was like, man, because locally before 160 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: even after Dancing with the Stars, I'm like, okay, it's 161 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not receiving that kind of like, you know, great, 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: great people talking to me and taking pictures. But I 163 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: guess I am calling the attention with the hat and 164 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the whole, the whole uniform here. But New York is 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: the capital of the media, and like l A, Miami 166 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: and those big places, and every time you come to 167 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: uh to New York, it's it's busy. It's very definitely busy. 168 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you you're why we're talking about Dancing 169 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: with the Stars real quick, uh. In case people don't know, 170 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Elio Castro nevers one the mirrored ball on Dancing with 171 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: the starts back. That's the only season I've seen that good. 172 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: What was your motivation for doing this show? Was that 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: you or is that an agent who said, hell, yo, 174 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity to broaden your appeal. The 175 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: whole thing is started Apollo on You guys know Apollo, 176 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: you know won eight gold medals speed speed skater. He 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: did the year before, and actually I watched it and 178 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, that's pretty cool. He probably 179 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: he got some moves, you know, and all of a 180 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: sudden he went to visit right this time. Actually he 181 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: went to the five hundred and when he came to 182 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: my garage. We're just talking because I'm a big fan 183 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: of sports and kind of sports. I'm a big fan 184 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: of his as well, so I'm like, hey man, great 185 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: job and dance. I can't believe you could dance. It's 186 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: like you should be on this show. I'm like, Paula, 187 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm just about to go to the race car. I'm 188 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: not sure you should be good in ten minutes, he 189 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: described the whole show anyway. He end up talking to 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: the producers. He is the one that started the whole thing, 191 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, sure, no problem anyway, I would have 192 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: said about two months later, Uh, the producers are calling us, Um, 193 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't actually do it because I was I was 194 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: sponsored by Philip Morris, and Philip Morris has a lot 195 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: of restriction back then or now, you cannot even sponsor anything. 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: So we had to go through a lot of situations 197 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: and and everybody like you should do it. I'm like, 198 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know how to dance. You don't understand 199 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: why am I going to go to a place? Then, 200 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: Elliot will It'll be okay? So I accept the challenge. 201 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: I said, you know what's the worst that can it 202 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: can be? I'll be eliminated the first week, I'll go 203 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: back home. It was an experience. So for me, that's 204 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: the mentality. And in fact, I packed my back only 205 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: for fifteen days. Guys, I'm sort of god and I'm 206 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: then I end up staying fourteen weeks. So it was 207 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: it was a great challenge. You love the show. Uh, 208 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: I still watch it and who know, and now I 209 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: have a mirror ball trophy in my home. It was 210 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: the Brazilian blood in you, right, that's exactly what dude. 211 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm a race car driving man. If my hips moved 212 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: in the race car, me trouble, all right. So but 213 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: it was I had a great partner obviously, Jail and 214 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: Half and Chelse hight Tower. Those two there there, they 215 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: are athletes. They are an incredible athletes. Those guys. That's 216 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: a show that obviously reaches a different audience than I 217 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: think that the serious stock and open wheel racing circuits do. 218 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: How big was that for Helleo the brand to be 219 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: successful in that other world as in addition to the 220 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: racing world, I would say nine today people recognize me 221 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: because of the answering the stars I win the bat. 222 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: We talked about this in the last show when we said, 223 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: I said, I'm curious how much of the appeal comes 224 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: I said, I bet it's more and evans that, no, no, no, 225 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be from the race car. I would 226 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: I would have thought that more people approach you recognize 227 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: you as the race car driver as a fact. In fact, 228 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: that right after it was two thousand seven, by the way, 229 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: so as a long time ago. People still, especially when 230 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: I go to the planes and drive flat at things like, hey, 231 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: it's with me, but it's it's a but I remember 232 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight the series actually gain about 233 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: a million viewers just so people want to see what 234 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: I was doing, you know. So it was an incredible audience. 235 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: It was a win win to everyone. Let me ask 236 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: you this then, and we're chatting with Eleo Castro Nevis, 237 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: what does that TV show know about mass appeal? That 238 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: a lot of sports And I'm gonna throw Indy Car 239 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: in there as well, because the viewership even down from 240 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: year to year. What can they learn from Dancing with 241 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: the Stars? What can sports learn? What did they take away? Well, 242 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: we just it's a show you're talking about. Uh, they 243 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: can make the viewers, or they can make drama, they 244 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: can make they are able to build audience. It's different 245 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: than if there is a ring you already lost Sunday. 246 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: Now we've got a race on Monday. That audience is now, 247 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Uh if the racist boring, which is not because there 248 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: is so much competitiveness, but you are playing with live situations, 249 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different when you create drama. 250 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: By the way, this year NBC is gonna be is 251 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: the first time the NBC actually broadcasting, So this is 252 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: going to be a huge opportunity, uh for a new 253 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: channel broadcasting Uh the race, and I feel it's gonna 254 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: be It's gonna explode, I said on the show. Also, 255 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna have an Olympic feel in that NBC has 256 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: gone all in on storytelling for the Olympics. So have 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: they talked to you, have they featured you? It's going 258 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: to be about the drivers, about the cars. I hear 259 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: they have a feature coming on the milk when you 260 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: win down like a milk, where's the milk come from? 261 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: That's how you get a great casual fans, right. I agree, 262 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be their first time, so I do trust 263 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: they have a great team behind uh. In fact, even 264 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: dan Ka Patrick um there earned hard JUNR is going 265 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: to be on the booth, so you have like a massive, 266 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: very heavyweight to comment the race, which I feel it's 267 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a big success. I have no doubts. 268 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: I have to ask too because and it's gonna be 269 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: even schargeing Trump. It's gonna be even better success because 270 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, like I said, bringing the number four, you're 271 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: your drugs? Now? Do you really want milk when you win? 272 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that trust refreshing? You know you win? 273 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: You're so thirsty happy, you're in the moment. It's actually 274 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: it tastes phenomenal. I mean even for those unlike mute, 275 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it is delicious at that point if it was motor 276 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: oil A yeah, I have to ask because I'm I'm 277 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: an old school cremudgeoning old Okay, I can stop it, 278 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: old I I just think the excitement of racing. You 279 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: have thirty three drivers with a car strapped to there 280 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: but going into turn one at about two hundred twenty 281 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: something miles an hour, and and how can the world 282 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: can that be boring? I've always wondered about that. But again, 283 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm an old girl. Let me ask a guy, who 284 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: does it? Do you watch races when you're not racing. 285 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: I do. I do. In fact, I have so many 286 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: friends and it's like you're watching your friend, you know, racing. 287 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: It sucks because you're not there. However, the worst part is, 288 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: and I actually related to that that question, if you 289 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: were in the place, like in the race, it's it's 290 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: a little bit frustrated because you already there in the event. 291 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: If you know how it feels and you're not racing, 292 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: that's a little bit frustrated. However, if you're at home, 293 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: it's a little different because you're watching you I'm cheering 294 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: for my teammates, especially that I'm not full time in 295 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: the car seers. I'm racist sports car now, so I'm 296 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: watching them in the car. I'm like, oh, you stupid, 297 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Man, you shouldn't do that. I 298 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: know you always do that. So I kind of like 299 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: talking to myself. But um, it is, uh, it is 300 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: a little bit different. Which I still have the fire 301 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: in me and I want to keep going as long 302 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: as I can, but it is a little bit frustrated 303 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: when you're not racing. An if you're the event, for sure, 304 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: So you just mentioned about a year ago. I believe 305 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: you left any car full time. You're now on the 306 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: weather Tech sports Car Championship, which is a different kind 307 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: of racing. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it's 308 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: a smaller series than IndyCar. From a popularity standpoint, it's 309 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: a different uh popularity, Yes, maybe because they being for 310 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: a long time, but it's more like long distance race. 311 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: So like exactly race twenty four hours, you raised twelve hours, 312 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: you reached six hours and two hours. So and plus 313 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: you actually share your car with someone else, so it 314 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: is is exactly that you're all the same size. But 315 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: that's why, like for example, I used this we called 316 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: the Ninja Turtle. I used this really pop pouch in 317 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: my back in my suit. So because my my teammate 318 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: is like six foot tall, I walk like a six 319 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: foot tall but I am I know I'm not, but 320 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: so so I have to be forward onto my seat. 321 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: And again so for us not losing time to put 322 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: an insert I put in my suit. So it's kind 323 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: of like really funny, but it is, it is a 324 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: different series. So it's it's uh, and that's why spending 325 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: twenty years in Indy Car series, all of a sudden 326 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: you change the style. Man, it is hard, it's it's different. 327 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: And what was the motivation for you, as one of 328 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: the better known race car drivers out there, what was 329 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the motivation personally for you to jump from IndyCar to 330 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: something totally different and a different style of racing. Well, 331 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: my boss Roger Penskey, which is obsolutely I'm the Team Pensky, 332 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: and he said, look, I need you as a new 333 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: adventure for us, for the team. We want to go 334 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: back and want to win. And he said I need 335 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: you there. So I'm like, really the other guy with you? 336 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: But how much? No, No, it's more. I'll tell you 337 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: what Roger and and and Team Pensky. They've been so 338 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean twenty years in the team. It would be 339 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: very hard for me because just because uh and that 340 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: this relationship for not to be with them and being 341 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: another team, I don't see myself in another team. I 342 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: really enjoy it because again probably this fire that is 343 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: to have its because I have a great relationship with 344 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: everyone out there. So I said, no, accept the challenge. 345 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: I'll go for it. But as long as I do 346 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: any five And it's like I would be stupid and 347 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: not have you at any fives Like done, I'm here. 348 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: What do I sign. So it was. It was a 349 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: great relationship for sure. And I have a stupid question here, Um, 350 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: the sponsors that you have are they all done through 351 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: your team or do you have personal sponsors as well? 352 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: How does the sponsorship world work when you are both 353 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: part of a team with a lot of sponsors and 354 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: your own kind of brand yourself. You see here the 355 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: penz Oil is obviously from the team rev that you 356 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: have here in my hat, you see it it's personal. 357 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: So we're able to mix it up and it depends, uh, 358 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: But normally a team like Tim Pensky, they're able to 359 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: They don't want the driver to bring any relationship with 360 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: their well they can have it obviously in a personal level, 361 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: but they don't want to link uh their personal sponsorship 362 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: to their team because they don't want to depend on 363 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the driver. They want to depend on their their business. 364 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: Which in fact that's why Roger does so well, the 365 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: team Penskil does so well. They linked their business the sponsorship. 366 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: So Penzoil, for example, it's sextually great relationship with Penske 367 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: truck rental from Roger, so they use a lot of 368 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, business to business and and you have a 369 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: Tachi they have a Verizon, which is another big one. 370 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: So it's all about business to business and team Penske 371 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: it does better than anybody. Do you make more money 372 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: from your own personal sponsors are through the team side 373 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: of your contracts? No? In our do you I feel 374 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: that our salaries it's more money than actually the person 375 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: sponsorship to sponsors want more from not only you but 376 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the team. These days, they're all measuring the return on 377 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: the investment. Why am I committing all these dollars? I 378 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: need more? Give me an example of what it was 379 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: ten years ago and what they want from you now. Well, 380 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: and and this is just tied in what I just said. 381 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: They sometimes, for example, and I say Shell Penzoil or 382 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Penzoil today they're not only a brand in my car, 383 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: they actually help with the lubricant in the car. So 384 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: meaning we have a uh, gearbox oil, we have engine oil. 385 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: And when you have the technology, the technology that you 386 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: can use it. In fact, by the way, this is 387 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: a true story, the same box of oil that you 388 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: go on a gas station and buy from Penz Oil 389 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: is exactly the same oil that we're using our engine. 390 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: That's a rule. Is that rules you absolutely because we 391 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: always joke that when you see Lebron James sitting on 392 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: the court and he's drinking what is it? Power get 393 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: whatever it is. But like folks, I hope you know 394 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: what's in his bottle. It's not what you're getting at 395 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: the supermarket. We we actually have in fact, Penzoil made 396 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: the lubricants made by natural gas, which is uh thinking 397 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: about environment, but it is the rules and we gotta 398 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: we don't have a special but they're thinking about it. 399 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: They're thinking about the loop. Not only that we have 400 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: the old areas that you can lubricant, you know, on 401 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: the wheels and things like that. They have partner of 402 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: us on on that. So not only a name on 403 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: the car, but it's also a partner on the race 404 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: team as well. We're talking with Aleo Castro Nevis Row 405 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: four for this Sunday's Indie five. Uh and I have 406 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: to bring this up and if I can't, uh might 407 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: it might be one of my teammates. I always I 408 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: always think of the most heartbreaking loss at Indianapolis was 409 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: j R. Hildebrandt. One stinking turn. He was on the 410 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: last lap coming out of four and he hit the 411 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: wall and that's when well that wasn't smart as him. 412 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: He got he was trying to pass a car on 413 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: the outside and apparently he got into some of the 414 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: marbles and it just took him to the wall and 415 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: that was the late great Dan Waldon. That's when he 416 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: went by and he won the race. I think of 417 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: those heartbreaking moments, what in your racing career has been 418 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking moment that you've had your time? Well, 419 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: that's a great question, by the way, And and I 420 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: feel in that situation for Hill, the brand bad coaching. 421 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: You know, the teams as again, I just talked to 422 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: someone just coming over here on interview. This sport is 423 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: not about an interview. Even that we are driving the car. 424 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: There is so much that can go wrong, so much, 425 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: and it's not about only you, but it's about the team. 426 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: So in that situation, to be honest, I would say 427 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: it was a bad coaching. They should tell him, look, 428 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: you are ten seconds ahead of the second place, just 429 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: finished the corner. Just bring it in as someone who 430 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: is not a racing if a Sionado does he not 431 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: know that, But sometimes you know ten seconds, if you 432 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: have somebody in front of you, you can lose the 433 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: ten seconds in one and then you lose. You could 434 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: lose a race. So that's what I'm saying. They could 435 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: coaching him a little bit better, lift, take it, just 436 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: bring it home, those ways to do it. However, anyway, 437 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: he learned his lesson, unfortunately the situation. But in my case, 438 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: I remember in two thousand three, I had the best car. 439 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: I started from the bowl, I was leading the entire race, 440 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: and I had a back market and turned two in 441 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: forty laps to go. I took a chance and I 442 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: almost crashed with this guy, but kept the leading, no problem. 443 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: Twenty laps later, twenty laps later, same corner, same driver. 444 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: So what I did, I used my experience twenty laps 445 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: before I lift off because I thought the guy is 446 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: gonna chop me again. Well I didn't know that he's 447 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: gonna what he's gonna do, so he actually slowed down 448 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: waiting for me to pass him. So I had a 449 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: five second lead, no problem. However, because of that momentum, 450 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: I lost it. My teammate was back then June the 451 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: Ferry passed me twenty laps to go. I was never 452 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: able to recoup. I lost the race, so that for 453 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: me it was like I should have continued, we should 454 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: have couldn't. It's one of those things happy team wins, 455 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: like how do how does that work? Well, good question. 456 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: You compete against with him, so he's a competitor. However, 457 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: he helped you to also develop your car because you're 458 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: using a lot of his information. So in the end 459 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: of the day, if you think about yeah, sucks because 460 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: he got the that day, it's his day, but I 461 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: had also my day, you know, and in the end, 462 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: the win, the team wins. So Roger is specific on that, 463 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: which I feel that's why everybody really enjoyed to work 464 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: with Roger. He compensates everyone. No matter who wins, everybody's equal, 465 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: and I think that's why the team has such a 466 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: success because everybody really wants to win for him. This 467 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: is the stuff that I think broadcast racing broadcast should 468 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: get deeper into the strategy underneath it, the things that 469 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: you're learning, the knowledge from the guy that you're racing 470 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: against who is also a teammate. Kind of liken it 471 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: to the conversations when you see golfers talking to their 472 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: caddies and are like, wow, these guys are dialed in. 473 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: You know, the wind speed, the looking at the tree, 474 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: of the is it a half seven iron or is 475 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: it a full eight iron. It's those conversations that I 476 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: think that that casual fans might be more drawn to 477 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: to watching a sport if they even understood kind of 478 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: the deeper levels beyond just driving fast and trying to 479 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: get to the finish line first and again. For example qualifying, 480 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: I qualified twelve. My teammate got pole position. So you're like, well, wait, 481 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, why didn't get the pole position? You can't 482 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: get four cars in number one, you know, it's impossible. 483 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: So one day that that was his day, which I'm 484 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: super happy for him. Great guys. Simon Pagio, by the way, 485 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: he's very strong, so he has a good car. However, 486 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: it's two hundred laps. Anything can happen, so you just 487 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: gotta be there. Indiana hopefully will be him and I 488 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: of badly. And I should add to get for people 489 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: again who aren't familiar with Simon Passionel. He's on the 490 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: pole and I'm talking about a NAT's petuni away from 491 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: averaging two hundred thirty two nine point nine two min. 492 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to round that up. If it's okay, that's fine, 493 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: we can round that up too. It's still pretty down fast. 494 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: That's the takeaway. It's pretty down fast, real quick. Before 495 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: we go, can we talk about the ring? Yes, we're 496 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: in a checkered flag, diamond studded ring. What is that from? 497 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: This is the last win? Uh? And actually very traditional 498 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: ring old old timers. I want to say when I 499 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: say old time is Martin Retty uh A J Foyd 500 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: Lawns a senior and they use this this ring so 501 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: it's like the super Bowl ring, but the super Bowl 502 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: ring it's very big, human side exactly. So this is 503 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: a this is a wearable size that you can wear 504 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: it every day, and that's what I do it. So 505 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get me one on Canal Street. Yeah, 506 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: I bet you'll be real too, right, Alio gast Nevis 507 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: look for him. Row four of this Indianapolis five hundred. 508 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: We start out with watching the Monaco Grand. Pret I'm 509 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: going to be watching the Monaco Grand and then it 510 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: goes to the Indianapolis five and then it will go 511 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: to NASCAR's Coca Cola six D and then me trying 512 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: to get home from Boston with my son in the 513 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: back driving a little slower. Yeah, Eliot, thank you so much. 514 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm so glad and very good luck to you. Thanks 515 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: for having me. Guys, you know what it means if 516 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: we have now another guy who is a four time 517 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: winner of the Indianapolis Five, if he wins, he would 518 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: only be the fourth. You have a J. Foyt Rick Mears, 519 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: uh Alans Sr. And you would have now Alio Castron 520 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: have us. Yeah, Okay, no, I mean that that's huge. 521 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's I've heard of those guys. So I 522 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: mean you're talking like this race has been going on forever, 523 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: since nineteen eleven, and only four guys have won it. 524 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: Hopefully if Eliot wins, it would be the fourth guy 525 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: to win at four times. Well, since you're so into this, 526 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: and since your improvisation on the show has been so 527 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: good in recent weeks, I am going to take a 528 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: step from the West Congress here. I'm going to yield 529 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: back my time, my takeaway time to you. Then I 530 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: have I do have something you would I do have 531 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: something else. It's first of all, Dannika Patrick is going 532 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: to be in the booth now for NBC because this 533 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: is the first year NBC will be broadcasting the race. Yes, 534 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: for many years, I was used to watching it on ABC. 535 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: They used to broadcasting since nineteen up until now. What's 536 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: going to happen so NBC will take over. So I 537 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: want to see what NBC does that's different than what 538 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: ABC used, doesn't Dylan, You're gonna be there too, That's try, 539 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: That's right, that's and Mike to Rico is probably going 540 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: to be, you know, the head guy, syrac uses Mike 541 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: to Rico. I would like to see I'm not a 542 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: big race guy obviously, um, but Michael, you included here 543 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: the people I know who are when I say I'm 544 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: not always say the same thing. There's so much more 545 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: to it than your casual fan understands. I would like 546 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: to see NBC or some other form of race coverage 547 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: really get into the details there. I thought Eliot was 548 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: really interesting when he talked about the teams and the 549 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: things that he learned on his car that might help 550 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: his teammates on the track as well. I'd like to 551 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: hear more of the conversations between Pitt and driver you 552 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: know what what what they're considering in terms of gas, mileage, etcetera. 553 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: I want more of the strategy underlying the racing, and 554 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: it might make me a bigger fan if I if 555 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: I had a better understanding of the underlying working of it. 556 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: It feels better to be a number one than number five. 557 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: I'll wear a number because of Mike. We have a 558 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: chance to go for three in a row, numbers at 559 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: a good time. When I'd first started wearing the number, 560 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: I would just have they Bloomberg Business of Sports, the 561 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: number of the week, Number of the week, number thirty two. 562 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I can't partis. It's like, was that like the old 563 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: game show? To tell the truth? Yeah, you and I 564 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: we conspired. I mean, we didn't conspire against you. I got, 565 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I got, I got. Medina is waving furiously producing Medina 566 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: is waving. It's like she's waving the checkered flag behind 567 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the glass. That's because I actually know this one. I 568 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: actually know this one. Medita handle it. Yeah, yeah, I know. 569 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: But Eben, but Eben wanted to answer it. Believe just 570 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: can you whisper in my ear first? Okay, I'll say 571 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: it in your ear. Okay, we're gonna have silence for 572 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: a second. Whisper in my ear what you think it is. 573 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: She knows it, she knows it. She knows I know 574 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: it too, I know it too. Okay, yet two number 575 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: of teams in the NFL. But it isn't give the answer. Okay, 576 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: it's basically O. J. Simpson's old jersey number thirty two. 577 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: After forty two years, the Buffalo Bills are actually going 578 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: to give the number away. Boom, there you go. Boom. See. 579 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: I do actually want to pay attention and number two. 580 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: Know a little bit of my business and sports spo man. 581 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: Who who's getting it that we don't know? I don't know? 582 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: And what's the reason. Well, I mean for obviously you 583 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: know when then later on when he got into trouble, 584 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: that number just stayed there. But I think it's been 585 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: out of commission before that. But didn't they retire the number? 586 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: So the t no, no Bills player at for thirty 587 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: two or kids get out the number thirty two. So 588 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: suddenly something happened in nineteen that Bill's ownership, the Pagoulas, 589 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: said you know what, let's let's have another thirty two. Yes, 590 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: I would have thought that they would have been excited 591 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: about giving away thirty two to move past. I'm sorry 592 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: it is Uh, there is a guy that's gonna get it. Perry, Yeah, 593 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: he's going to get the number. The veteran running back 594 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: he's going to get the number thirty two. You see, 595 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: I just read something quickly. I sent it to Bar 596 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: for a number of the week, and you know I 597 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: expect him to do the research now. I know I 598 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: have to. It's more handhold. You can buy that on 599 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: fanatic Spot. Exact exactly right. You're listening to Bloomberg Business 600 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: of Sports. We're here each and every week for you 601 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: at the same time, plus online as a podcast, and 602 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: you can catch that Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays on Michael 603 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Bar on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. I'm Evan Novie 604 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: Williams at nov Underscore Williams, and I'm Scott Sashnik. You 605 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at Sashnik. Thank you very 606 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: much for joining us. 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