1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Dear Governor is a production of I Heart Media and 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: three Months Media. Dear Governor Newsom, Dear Mr Governor Newsom. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: This is an open letter to Governor Gavin Newsom. Dear 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Governor Newsong, you can put all the money in the 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: world into that campaign to the death penalty on the ballot, 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: but it doesn't equate to finding two people who are innocent. 7 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: Innocent people change his minds. It has in every state. 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: You will probably see that change. The death pilling is 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: because they found too many innocent people on death row. 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: The money didn't do it. The moral consciousness of the 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: communities in the state didn't do it. They did not 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: want their tax dollars to kill an innocent man period. 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: Jarvis masters on what he believes it will to put 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: an end to capital punishment. I can imagine seven people 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: in an auditorium and they all talk about their experiences 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: of being seconds away from being executed. That would turn 17 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: people against the death pilly, in my opinion, very fast, 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: very fast, because we're looking at seven human beings that 19 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: we paid to be executed. That really gets to the 20 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: consciousness of people and see what happens. I think most 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: people in America would say Wow, this is not for me. No, no, no, no, no, 22 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: you guys got this all wrong. My name is Daniel 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Vasquez and I worked with the California Department of Corrections 24 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: for thirty years, starting as a correctional officer and bootstrapped 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: my way up through parole agent assistant, borol agent, investigator 26 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: and then warden at Saint Quentin for ten years. But 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: when were you at Saint Quentin. You were there from 28 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: when to win from three through nineteen nine. The warden, 29 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: you're the chief operating office, responsible for the daily operation 30 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: by subordinate staff of the institution. But you're responsible for 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: the budget and for you know, just everything that has 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: to do with the run in a Saint Quentin also 33 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: carry out executions, you know, when they've been confirmed for 34 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: executions and the death warrant has been received. According to 35 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: Witness to Innocence, since the death penalty was reinstated in 36 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, one hundred and sixty seven men and 37 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: women from twenty eight states have been exonerated and freed 38 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: from death row. Let that sink in one hundred and 39 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: sixty seven American citizens, the vast majority of whom we're 40 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: discovered to be innocent. We're scheduled to be executed by 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: our government, but they were spared, be it for the 42 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: grace of God or the fate of luck. And the 43 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: vast majority of those spared were found innocent based on 44 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: dubious DNA evidence. What does that mean for the many 45 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: condemned inmates who claim innocence, including Jarvis, for whom DNA 46 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: evidence is non existent. Imagine the international outrage of China 47 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: was to knowingly execute over a hundred of its innocent citizens. 48 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: Many of us still rage at the fact that the 49 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian government executed just one of their citizens, Jamal Kashoji. 50 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: In our first episode, Jarvis asked how many guilty people 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: need to be put to death to justify the execution 52 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: of one innocent We all need to answer that question 53 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: for ourselves. But as painful as it might be to look, 54 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: Jarvis and his community urge you to not turn a 55 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: blind eye to the devastating reality that more than four 56 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: percent of defendants sentenced to death in the US are innocent. 57 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: According to National Academy of Sciences. The National Coalition to 58 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: Aboli the Death Penalty puts the number even higher at 59 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: one intent. You are a believer still in capital punishment. Yes, Sam, 60 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, as the Bible says Uhffer, and I do 61 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: you think it is a deterrent for other potential criminals 62 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: to prevent them from committing capital crimes? No, No, it's 63 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: a it's a determ for the individual that's executed. But 64 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: if that was the case, then you should have only 65 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: taken one execution to stop others from committing a capital crimes. 66 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: And as you well know and I know, it doesn't 67 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: work that way. It never stopped anybody else from killing 68 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: another human being. Can I cannot say one thing? Because 69 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you know my stale death roll. People have read the 70 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: papers and watched television. They see people who come on 71 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: death row that have some of the most despicable crimes 72 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: you can imagine. I'm talking about serious ugly stuff, baby killing, 73 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: killing women who are pregnant. I mean real, serious ugly stuff. 74 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: And for a while there was one guy. I never 75 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: met him, you know, but I've seen him, and he 76 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: was people on death row for killing the baby. And 77 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: for years I watched people watched this guy walk by, 78 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: and they were so enraged by him. They hated him, 79 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't like him. I didn't hate him, but 80 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: I didn't like him, you know, and I used him 81 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: as a sort of Okay, here's the perfect example of 82 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: someone you need to work because you it helps you 83 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: work for yourself, you know. And he was in protective 84 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: because I think for about sixteen years ago, very few 85 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: people spoke to a you know. It was just terrible. 86 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: And behold, he was found to be innocent and walked 87 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: out of this prison and left his property right at 88 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: the door, because I've seen it, because I was going 89 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: to visit to go home. So you spent all this finger, 90 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: all this energy, and yet the very person that you 91 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: despised that you probably want to kill because of what 92 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: he did, it's found to be honest, what does that 93 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: say about Hugh Army? Sixteen years you've been hating this dude, 94 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: wanting to kill somebody. How do you how do you 95 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 1: reckon with that you wanted to kill this man because 96 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: you've the baby killer, and yet he just walked right 97 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: by yourself and left all his belongings right at the 98 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: foot of your door. So I just wanted to add 99 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: that because it's so important to to what the questions 100 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I have about the definitely, you know, and it goes 101 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: back to what I was saying. If you find an 102 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: innocent person, it changes people's mind. Is there any circumstance 103 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: in which the death penalty is justified. No, I don't 104 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: believe it's justified because I think it's morally wrong. It's arbitrary. 105 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly think a lot of people in America, 106 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: I think it is morelly wrong. But I would challenge 107 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: those people who believe in it to put it on 108 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: the evening knows the actual execution. Don't do it in 109 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Do it in the middle 110 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: of the day. But they don't want their kids to 111 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: see it. They don't want to see it because deep 112 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: down this side, you cannot kill a human being. People, 113 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: people who recognize, who see other people ask him be 114 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: can't do it. You need a monster, You need someone 115 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: who's sick. That's what you need. Has your opinion of 116 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: the death penalty changed over the years since it's become 117 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: so personal for you? No? No, you know, before I 118 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: got a death for what I was gonna saying, Quentin 119 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: and I lived on a tier with people on death row, 120 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: and I want my watch and walked by myself and 121 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know what, what in the row 122 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: is he's sleeping on, you know, And it was really 123 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: really personal that I saw people that I I got 124 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: to know who are on death row. When we come back, 125 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,119 Speaker 1: Jarvis will tell the story of one person in particular 126 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: he got to know on death row and what it 127 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: was like in the days leading up to December two 128 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: five when that close personal friend was executed. So you 129 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: said you've known people who have been executed. Did you 130 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: see him walk down to the chamber? How did that unfold? 131 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: So if you though I know that people, but I 132 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know anybody, because it did Stanley 133 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: Chucky Williams that I knew personally, and then I thought 134 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: get executed. One of the last men to be executed 135 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: in California was the notorious leader of the Cripts gang. 136 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Stanley TOOKI Williams. In two thousand five. I asked former 137 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Warden Vasquez if he had been familiar with Tookie Williams 138 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: during his time at San Quentin. Yes. I was become 139 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: somewhat of a rallying cry for people who believe in 140 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: rehabilitation because he wrote children's books and he apparently turned 141 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: his life around in prison. Did you see any of that? 142 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Did you witness his rehabilitation. No, not really. I mean, 143 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: I you know, he was just one of of When 144 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: I left the institution, I think there was about six 145 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: hundred thirty four inmates on death row, so he was 146 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: just one of six four in To me, he wasn't anything, 147 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: uh special or you know. I saw him days before, 148 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, his execution. But we're in a visiting room 149 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and he was having his last visits, you know, with 150 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: his family and friends and his his girlfriend, she may 151 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: have been his wife. He he was so strong and 152 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: I don't mean, you know, you can barely know he 153 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: was on death row. You can barely tell that he 154 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: was going to be executed. I didn't see it, and 155 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: I looked for it that he didn't have it. He 156 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't have it. I thought maybe he believed that he 157 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: was going to win his appeal in the last minute. 158 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on, but I was 159 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: looking for something and I didn't see it. He kept 160 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: his family laughing, He kept his people laughing. It was 161 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: like the last supper, and I kind of felt with 162 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: that was about, you know, I felt that he was 163 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: just holding them. Let's call Andrew a California number will 164 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: be monitored and recorded. You go out there and you 165 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: see a lot of people who want to client, and 166 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: you you hold him up. You know, you say, no, 167 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: this is not gonna happen, or you know, I'm gonna 168 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: love you guys no matter where I am. Um, so 169 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: I got I got that sense. But him being executed 170 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: two days later was it was I just believe that 171 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: he knew something I couldn't know and it may not happen, 172 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: or that there was some resolve that it was going 173 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: to happen. Uh, but I couldn't read what he thought. 174 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: You know, let's her friends. Oh yeah, he was a 175 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: good friend of mine. Yes. Uh. In fact, his first book, 176 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: in my first book, we were writing it together and 177 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: the Adjustment Center on the first tier. He had an 178 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: idea of write a book about kids, and I had 179 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: this idea of writing stories, you know, um, short stories. 180 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: So we were writing at the same time. You know, 181 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't spell a lick, so he always I used 182 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: to always call him over and asking how to spell 183 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: certain words. And over the years, you know, he went 184 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: one way on death row and I stayed in Adjustment Center. 185 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: He came back once or twice, but you know, for 186 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: twenty seven years. I was an adjustment center, and UM 187 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: only saw him when he came, you know, came and left, 188 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, but I knew him personally. But I couldn't 189 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't get a sense of where where he was. 190 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, what was the day? It was? It was, 191 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a very cool day. We 192 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: were not on lockdown. Uh. He walked with the same 193 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: two guards he always They escorted him. He didn't have 194 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: no It was the same restraints that he would normally 195 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: have that they normally put on you, rather you're a 196 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: death row or not. It was those same restraints. He 197 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: wasn't in bald chain and the leg irons on anything. 198 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: So I didn't see a dying man, you know, I 199 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: didn't see a man who's going to be executed. When 200 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: he was walking towards the chamber. Do the the other 201 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: prisoners show respect. I don't know how that works. I 202 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: really don't know how that works. You know, they keep 203 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: that stuff top secret. You know, I really don't know 204 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: how that works. I really don't. I know that they 205 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours of seventy two hours, 206 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: they put you on death watch. They put you in 207 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: the isolating zell and they watch everything you do, you know, 208 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: and they log everything thing you do and they write 209 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: with you what you did need you know. But I 210 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: mean that's what I just don't know from you know, 211 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: from word of mouth. I have no idea, you know, 212 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I know, I don't even know where where it's actually done. 213 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: You know, Um, I have no idea where that's at. 214 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Not too many people do. Really, it's that's amazing. So 215 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: you don't even know where the chamber is. Well, I 216 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: mean we knew where the gas chamber is, you know, 217 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: because the gas chambers there a hundred years ago, you know, 218 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: and then they removed. But this table, this execution table, 219 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, no, I know, I didn't know where it was. 220 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: Did you hear that it was dismantled? Yeah, Anti lot 221 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: saw it on television, and we are as I speak, 222 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: as I speak, shutting out removing the equipment in the 223 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: death chamber. At Sam Clinton, the governor made a very 224 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: serious point when you know, when when there's that visual 225 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, and we were watching, you know, parts of 226 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: it come out on the door. You know. Um, that 227 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: was a very powerful statement. But they also got a 228 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: lot of people mad too, and I think, uh, those 229 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: numbers of people who believe that the death penalty are increasing. 230 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Because of that, I think there's uh underneath our feet. 231 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are getting ready to 232 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: spent a lot of money to put the death penalty 233 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: back in action if the governor wins the next election. 234 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: Why do you think they're motivated to do that? In 235 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: my heart of hearts, I think people believe that if 236 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: you stand in line, you vote on the death penalty, 237 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: in that vote is discredit didn't taken away from you. 238 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: People are upset, you know, and they voted for the 239 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: death killery. And people believe that their vote will stolen 240 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: and the victims had no right to have that spelled 241 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: taken someone like that, you know, and that is a 242 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: response to the governor. Uh, juries are are voting to 243 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: give people the death killing. Now those Jewels who believe 244 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: that they vote were stolen, they're they're they're taking it out. 245 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm in the Bay Area. You find very 246 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: few people who believe in the death killing. You know, 247 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: I know people who ain't never met anyone who believe 248 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: in the death telling. But if you go to Orange County, 249 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: if you go to San Berndino County, if you go 250 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: to the whole half part of Riverside County. And then 251 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: if you specially go up here, up north and all 252 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: these other counties, they're totally want the death pillty, you know, 253 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: and they're and and they're doing something about it. According 254 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: to Gallup, opposition to the death penalty is actually at 255 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: its highest point in almost half a century, though a 256 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: majority of Americans continue to support capital punishment for individuals 257 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: convicted of murder. Wait what you yeah, Okay, okay, we'll talk. 258 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk, all right, he will, he will. In landmark 259 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: case back in nineteen seventy two Ferman v. Georgia, the 260 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court had actually abolished capital punishment, though it was 261 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: eventually reinstated only four years later. Justice Potter Stewart stated 262 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: at the time that the death penalty was quote so 263 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: wantonly and freakishly imposed. It was cruel and unusual, in 264 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: the same way that being struck by lightning is cruel 265 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: and unusual. The only justice on the Supreme Court to 266 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: ever litigate a death penalty case, Justice third Good Marshal, 267 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: also can heard with the firm in Georgia case. An 268 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: adamant abolitionist, he believed that the more informed voters were 269 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: about the arbitrary nature of the death penalty, the less 270 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: likely they would be to supported a theory referred to 271 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: today as the martial hypothesis. Up next, Stanford law professor 272 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: Larry Marshall, no relation to third Good breaks down the 273 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: veracity of the martial hypothesis and the fascinating way in 274 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: which Larry was first introduced to Jarvis's plate. I'm Larry Marshall, 275 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: and I am a professor of law at Stanford University 276 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: and UH and the lawyer as well. So I got 277 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: a call from someone asking if I was available the 278 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: next day to speak with Oprah Winfrey about a case UH. 279 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: And I said yes, And I got on the phone 280 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: and she wash, you know, very passionate about Jarvis's case 281 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: and about trying to make sure that he got, you know, 282 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: world class representation. And I told her that I would 283 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: do my best to help find lawyers who would be 284 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: able to take the case to the next level. In 285 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: the course of my work for coast to thirty years, 286 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I have met thousands, thousands of people who have said 287 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: I used to support the death penalty, but the more 288 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: I've learned about its vices and flaws and risks, and 289 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: so on I've now come to oppose it. I've not 290 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: met a single person who says I used to oppose 291 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: the death penalty, But the more I learned about its 292 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: accuracy and its fairness, and its cost effectiveness and it's justice, 293 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: I've now come to support it. And I submit to 294 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: you the measure of any public policy is what impact 295 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: does information have on public opinion? And here, if people 296 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: can be educated, and this is the martial hypothesis, if 297 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: people can be educated about the death penalty, they will 298 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: in huge numbers come to oppose the death penalty. Perhaps 299 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: hearing Jervis's story will compel some to test the accuracy 300 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: of the martial hypothesis on themselves. Jarvis has maintained his 301 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: innocence in the crime that put him on death row. 302 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: Reputable legal scholars who have researched his case have declared 303 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: him factually innocent. None of us can know for absolute 304 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: certainty that he's telling the truth, but similarly, none of 305 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: us can know for absolute certainty that he's not telling 306 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: the truth. A man's life hangs in the precarious balance 307 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: of this ambiguity. We are as judge and jury. What 308 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: we know for absolute certain is that one Jarvis never 309 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: murdered anyone. Two Jarvis may be guilty of forming the 310 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: SHIV that killed Sergeant birch Field, and equally, three Jarvis 311 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: may not be guilty of forming the SHIV that killed 312 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: Sergeant birch Field. With this level of uncertainty, can there 313 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: be a conscionable justification to execute an American citizen death penalty? Focus, 314 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: the nonprofit devoted to ending the death penalty, dubbed last 315 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: Year the Year of Executing Innocence, and Alabama Death Row 316 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: inmate has been executed. Dominique Ray was executed on February seven, nineteen. 317 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: Dominique Ray died tonight at home in correctional facility and 318 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: a more Mr. Ray was convicted based solely on the 319 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: testimony of a witness with schizophrenia who was delusional and 320 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: actively hallucinating. The witness's mental state was known to the 321 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: prosecutors but never disclosed. His attorneys were inexperienced, underpaid, and 322 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: did very little investigation. There was substantial evidence of innocence, 323 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: which the jury never heard. On August one, nineteen, Larry 324 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Swearingen was executed in Texas. He went to his death tonight, 325 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: maintaining his innocence. He was executed for the murder of 326 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: a nineteen year old woman. There was no physical evidence 327 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: associating him with the crime, there was no matching DNA, 328 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: and the day the murder most likely took place, Mr 329 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Swearingen was locked up in the county jail for traffic violations. Tonight, 330 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: Texas executed Larry swearingein at the State Penitentiary in Huntsville. 331 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: The death chamber. His lawyers claimed, quote a combination of 332 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: flawed science and overblown testimony condemned an innocent man, and 333 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: according to the Death Penalty Information Center, nineteen of the 334 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: twenty two prisoners who were executed in twenty had quote 335 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: significant evidence of mental illness, brain impairments, intellectual disability, or 336 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: chronic serious childhood trauma. Sadly, appears no less lethal for 337 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: innocent people on death row despite weak evidence in subpar 338 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: representation in his two thousand five trial, Forty three year 339 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: old Nathaniel Woods was executed just two months ago for 340 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: his connection to the murders of three Birmingham police officers. 341 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: This despite the fact that he didn't shoot the gun, 342 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: he didn't even hold the gun. He maintained that he 343 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: dropped to his knees in an attempt to surrender to 344 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: the officers who barged into the apartment. The man who 345 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: actually fired the gun. Death row inmate Carry Spencer said 346 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: Nate was actually one innocent. Two of the twelve jurors 347 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: voted to spare Nate's life, and a sister of one 348 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: of the slain officers made a last minute call to 349 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Alabama Governor k I Vy's office to postpone the execution 350 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: date to allow more time to investigate the evidence. On 351 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: that call, she said, quote, he didn't kill my brother, 352 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: and he didn't kill the other officers. May they rest 353 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: in peace. I'm asking for mercy, and I believe my 354 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: brother would want me to take the same stance as 355 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: of the man. He was. Sadly that plea fell on 356 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: deaf ears because staunch pro life Governor Ivy was pro death. 357 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: That day, high profile individuals from the son of Martin 358 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. To Director Ava du Verney to Kim 359 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Kardashian West all tweeted against Woods's execution, but the Governor 360 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: of Alabama released a statement doubling down, saying, this is 361 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: not a decision that I take lightly, but I firmly 362 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: believe in the rule of law and that justice must 363 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: be served. Staunch pro life, Governor Ivy has presided over 364 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: nine executions on her watch since twenty seventeen. Last year, 365 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Governor Ivey signed into law and abortion bands citing Alabamians 366 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: deeply held belief that every life is precious and that 367 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: every life is a sacred gift from God. Nate's sister 368 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: Pamela believed Nate was a precious gift. Nate's father, Nate Sr. 369 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: Believed Nate was a precious gift. Tens of thousands of 370 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: Nates supporters believed him to be a precious gift. Dear 371 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: Governor Newsome, my name is Pema Children, and I'm a 372 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: Western Buddhist nun and a teacher of students throughout the world, 373 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: most of whom aren't even necessarily Buddhists. And I've written 374 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: a number of books, and probably the most well known 375 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: is called When Things Fall Apart. I've known Jarvis Masters 376 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: over twenty years as a friend and as his spiritual advisor, 377 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and I have no doubt at all, really no doubt 378 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: at all, that Jarvis was not part of the conspiracy 379 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: that resulted in the death of Sergeant Birchfield. I don't 380 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: know if What I know was after Fining Freedom was 381 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: published and I heard that someone who gave her my 382 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: book Fining Freedom. And after that there's this point, you know, 383 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: we start writing each other and everything else. It's like 384 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: a blank for me. I can't remember anything else. Did 385 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: she come to visit you? Oh? Yeah, she visits me 386 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: almost twice a year, once a year. You want to 387 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: talk about joy? Here you are death row and locked 388 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: in a in a page and you're laughing all for 389 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: for for two and a half hours. You know, Uh, 390 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: that's what that? You know, how you get a little 391 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: of that? You know, you've got to love her. How 392 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: can you not love someone who's able to do that? 393 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: You know? Jonvis isn't exceptionally compassionate man that literally spends 394 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: almost all of this time helping other inmates. He has 395 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: written two beautiful books about his life. But really the 396 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: most important thing is that he is innocent. He's an 397 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: innocent man who does not deserve to be in prison 398 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: even a day longer. Every time my songer, it was 399 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: it was something special for me and being she started 400 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: introducing me to other Buddhists and that she knew in 401 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot of our other students, and a lot of 402 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: these people are still in my life, still supporters of me. 403 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: She's more like a mother to me than anything else. Yeah, 404 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: she's She's definitely that. You know, a lot of people 405 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: want to identify our relationship as my teacher and I 406 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: and I totally accept that just as fast. But my 407 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: relationship to her is my mama. That's who she is 408 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: bar known, so that's just what she used to me. 409 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: I love her that way. I have visited Jervis many 410 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: times at San Quentin, and we are in close touch 411 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: by phone when he's able to call, and he has 412 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: become a dear friend and a student. Jervis has had 413 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: me in tears literally both from joy and sadness about 414 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: his many experiences with diffusing prison conflict among the prison population. 415 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm so inspired by his stories of his experiences that 416 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: I often use them as examples in my public teaching 417 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: on human goodness. One story which I find so touching 418 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: is one time Jarvis I was thinking they were out 419 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: on the yard and uh, there was a guard that 420 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: was trying to provoke Jarvis. Now, I want to say 421 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: in this regard that most of the guards are wonderful 422 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: and very helpful. Um, but of course there's some that aren't. 423 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: And in this case, the guard was taunting Jarvis and 424 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: trying to get him to respond, but Jarvis didn't retally 425 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: eight and didn't push back, and finally the guard left, 426 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: and then the men on the yard they came around 427 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: and uh, and they were saying to him, it, Jarvis, 428 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: how did you? How can you do that? How can 429 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: you just let him talk to you like that without 430 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: lashing out at him? How can you do that? Is 431 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: that your Buddhism that allows you to do that? And 432 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: he said, no, it's not my Buddhism. It's just that 433 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I've gotten some letters from teenagers who are the children 434 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: of guards, and they say that sometimes their fathers are 435 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: so frustrated and angry when they come back from work 436 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: because of what they've had to put up with with 437 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: with prisoners, that they lash out at the kids and 438 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: beat them. So I don't retaliate when I'm taunted like that, 439 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: because I don't want these guys to go home and 440 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: beat their kids. So I know that you are us. 441 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: His aspiration is to continue to help others no matter 442 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: where he is, and his lifelong experiences of being a 443 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: prisoner on death row will be invaluable to people who 444 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: come from the same background that he did. His habitual 445 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: care and love for others while in prison has become 446 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: i would say, cellular for him, and his passion is 447 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: to work with beings on the outside who could, with 448 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: no guidance or encouragement from someone that knows firsthand, who 449 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: could then find themselves in prison just as he did, 450 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: or of course worse, The injustice of keeping Jarvis locked 451 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: up because he has caught up in a web of 452 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: an old system filled with racial bias would be such 453 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: a travesty and an unfortunate waste of his experience, wisdom, 454 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: and genuine desire to make underprivileged and unguided lives better. 455 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: He has courage, He really knows what these young people 456 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: are up against, and he has the heartfelt longing that 457 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: no one ever has to live a life behind bars, 458 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and that life is full of possibility and love, not hopelessness. 459 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: Next week, we'll hear the details of the murder of 460 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: Sergeant hal Birchfield. Jarvis's side of the story. Will also 461 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: hear the jaw dropping away in which Jarvis finally found 462 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: out that he was implicated in the conspiracy to commit murder. 463 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Today's episode was written and produced by Donni Fazzari and myself, 464 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: Corny Cole. Our theme song sentenced his compliments of the 465 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: band stick Figure from their album Set in Stone. Stu 466 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: Sternbach is composed the original music Nate beforet did the 467 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: sound design. 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