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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Get the Charge podcast presented by the

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am

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Speaker 2: the host, and we are so happy to be back

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Speaker 2: after a week off. We hope everybody had a wonderful

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving holiday and we obviously we're off. I was on

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Speaker 2: a cruise without internet, so I appreciate the flexibility this

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Speaker 2: week and excited to be back again talking about the

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Speaker 2: Chargers here on this channel with my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, what's up, man? How are you doing this evening?

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Speaker 3: I am at peace.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I love my wife, love my dog, love my family.

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Speaker 3: I love talking to you every week, of course, so

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Speaker 3: I'm at peace. I'm content.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: How'se adjustment back to regular life?

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Speaker 2: That was very well said. Yeah, I still like I've

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Speaker 2: been off the cruise for forty eight hours and I

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Speaker 2: still feel like I'm on the boat. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: I was like up and around and moving and stuff yesterday.

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Speaker 2: But when I got to work today and I sat

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Speaker 2: down at my desk, I was like, man, I still

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm like rocking, And it's a weird feeling.

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Speaker 2: For those of you have been on a cruise before,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is normal or not.

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Speaker 1: It does not feel normal to me, but it is

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Speaker 1: what it is. We'll figure it out all right.

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Speaker 2: As usual, we'll have some stuff to recap from the

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Speaker 2: Chargers last game, obviously the Chargers coming up short at

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Speaker 2: the hands of the Baltimore Ravens, so we'll have some

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Speaker 2: things to discuss from that game. And then we've never

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Speaker 2: done a Q and A on this feed, and so

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Speaker 2: we decided to send out a tweet and we'll take

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Speaker 2: some questions. Felt like it was important to kind of

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Speaker 2: see where the fan base is at as a collective

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers being four and seven and playoff hopes

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Speaker 2: basically eliminated at this point, so not mathematically, but it's

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Speaker 2: very very small percentage chance at this point. So we'll

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Speaker 2: have some things to talk about, and then we'll get

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Speaker 2: some of your thoughts that we got on Twitter, so

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Speaker 2: appreciate other great questions and we'll get to those in

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Speaker 2: a minute here before we get started on today's show.

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Speaker 2: As always, Tyan and I are fans of the team

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Speaker 2: just like you guys are.

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Speaker 1: We've been giving this platform and are very grateful for it.

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Speaker 2: But the opinions that we express on this show and

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Speaker 2: every week on this show are just out there. They

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Speaker 2: are our opinions, not the opinions of the Chargers organization.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've been bused to have this platform and

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Speaker 2: hopefully it continues and hopefully you guys enjoy the platform.

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Speaker 2: So we've had a lot of fun doing this show,

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Speaker 2: and we'll continue to have a lot of fun doing

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it should be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into this Chargers Ravens game, you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty to ten loss on Sunday Night football.

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Speaker 1: We talked a.

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Speaker 2: Lot on our own channel previously, but we'll have some

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Speaker 2: things that we keep kind of in the chamber, so

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Speaker 2: start with you here on this one. Your biggest kind

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Speaker 2: of takeaway maybe about the defense, because I think it

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Speaker 2: a much better performance against the Ravens than they did

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Speaker 1: So what's your biggest takeaway.

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Speaker 2: Coming off of that defensive performance against the Ravens on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we knew there was going to be some sort

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Speaker 3: how much could you adjust who could be benched, who

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Speaker 3: could be rotated in Honestly, at most I thought it

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Speaker 3: but there were more changes as well, And I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to overreact to, you know, a one game sample

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Speaker 3: Dean Leonard had to battle out there. He was targeted

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Speaker 3: ten times, gave up eight catches, But it really just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Dean Leonard is obviously going to take

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Speaker 2: And you know, the numbers are are are not backbreaking,

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Speaker 1: We know what he's able to do.

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Speaker 2: the biggest story for me has to be what Khalil

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Speaker 2: You know, I felt like when you kind of zoom

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Speaker 2: I felt like he was really, really solid. I felt

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Speaker 2: you know, Khalil's getting a lot more opportunities to have

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Speaker 2: having a renaissance season. Like this is one of the

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Speaker 2: Like he was kind of you know, when the Chargers

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Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of damaged goods, Like he's a

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Speaker 2: once was. Well, this season he's he's playing like an

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He has fifty four total pressures according to PFF, which

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Speaker 2: PFF does not split sacks like Pro Football Reference DOS,

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Speaker 2: so PFF has him at fourteen sacks, which is tied

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Speaker 2: for first. His productivity radio nine point seven is ninth,

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Speaker 2: good man, and Khalil Mack has been I think refreshed

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Speaker 2: Obviously he had the six SAC game, but just so

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I remember when the Chargers first traded for him, Brandon

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Speaker 3: Cord Lindsley was part of this too. They wanted to

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Speaker 3: for what you saw on the field, of course, because

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Speaker 3: that is Khalil Mack, but also how you carry yourself

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Speaker 3: wasn't a period of time where the Chargers had edge

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Speaker 3: rushers that were not healthy and they needed more bodies

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Speaker 3: out there. Khalil Mack, I remember him volunteering himself to

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Speaker 3: And he listen, this is Khalil Mack. He's got everything

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Speaker 3: he could ever want. He's a former first round pick,

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Speaker 3: He's had a great career, he's made plenty of money.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's had a great career. He could at

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Speaker 3: this point with his contract with so much guaranteed, just

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Speaker 3: he took it upon himself to be that guy and

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Speaker 3: again the prototype that Brandon Staley was talking about off

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Speaker 2: And although there was like that one tweet from after

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Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned what he's his influence has been

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Speaker 2: So you know, again, it's a shame that that performance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just like the one on one situations.

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: a really poor combination when you have some injuries obviously

435
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Speaker 2: to to Corey Lindsay and to Rashaun Slater, and then

436
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: you have some individual regression, plus the plan is also bad.

437
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Speaker 2: And it's something that I kept on hoping would improve,

438
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Speaker 2: and I kept on hoping that they would figure out

439
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: a way for this to work more effectively. But we're

440
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Speaker 2: headed into week thirteen and this team can't even get

441
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: off two minute drills Like it's it's an issue that

442
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: like Justin Herbert is going to deserve going to get

443
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: a lot of national blame for. But it's happening in

444
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: every single game. So this is like a collective problem

445
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: for the whole unit. And Joe Reedy pointed this out

446
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, Justin Herbert across his first three seasons had

447
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: ten game winning drives, which which ranked very highly in

448
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: the league. This year he has zero because he's he's

449
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: not even getting the chance to because he's getting sacked

450
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Speaker 2: and like you mentioned, in two point two four seconds

451
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Speaker 2: or whatever, it is every single chance that he has

452
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Speaker 2: to go, you know, on third and fourth down. So

453
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Speaker 2: it's a big time issue. And you know, we got

454
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Speaker 2: a question. You know, the Chargers, of course are ower

455
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Speaker 2: to five in games of three points or less in

456
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 2: how did the Charges change that? Well, pass protection and

457
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 2: protecting Justin he is a huge reason why that result

458
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: is own five and not two and three or three

459
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: and two or something like that. And so it's just been,

460
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Speaker 2: like you mentioned, one of the biggest disappointments is how

461
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Speaker 2: much Justin Herbert has been hit the season from a

462
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Speaker 2: unit that I had such high expectations for, and a

463
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Speaker 2: lot of people had high expectations for. This isn't just

464
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, on this show, we were really big fans

465
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Speaker 2: of this unit. You know, a lot of fans were

466
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Speaker 2: very positive about it. Brandon Thorn had them as a

467
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Speaker 2: potential top ten unit heading into the season, so did

468
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Speaker 2: PFF so there were certainly high expectations for this protection

469
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Speaker 2: unit and it is not panned out that way, and

470
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Speaker 2: I think that's a big reason why the charges are

471
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Speaker 2: four and seven right now.

472
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Speaker 3: What would you recommend in terms of maybe the way

473
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Speaker 3: that they use the tight ends in these past blocking

474
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Speaker 3: situations or lack thereof in these situations. I was looking

475
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Speaker 3: at last year to this year and just to see

476
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: if there was any difference. And while Trey mc kitty

477
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: did have a lot of those reps, and of course

478
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Speaker 3: he's not on the team right now, the Chargers have

479
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: dropped in terms of tight end blocking reps in passing game.

480
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Speaker 3: They've dropped from eight point four to one reps per

481
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Speaker 3: game to six point four five, which isn't a lot,

482
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Speaker 3: but that is a difference of two. They are clearly

483
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: taking these guys off the field a little bit more

484
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Speaker 3: in pass blocking situations, and they're trying to go with

485
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Speaker 3: more wide receivers or get a tight end out there.

486
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Speaker 3: What would you suggest in terms of or if they

487
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Speaker 3: can at all given the personnel that they have, in

488
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Speaker 3: terms of the way they use their tight ends in

489
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Speaker 3: these situations, especially the end of game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, having Donald parm and Gard evert out there in

491
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Speaker 2: key situations.

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Speaker 1: I think what would help a lot.

493
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Speaker 2: It's tough because a lot of teams prefer to live

494
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Speaker 2: in eleven personnel or even four receiver sets, and and

495
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Speaker 2: you know, at end of game situations you always see

496
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Speaker 2: justin hold up like the one to one.

497
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Speaker 1: You know, he's always in eleven personnel.

498
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Speaker 2: But I think you can treat Gerald ever like a

499
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Speaker 2: receiver in those instances and be a little bit more

500
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Speaker 2: creative from a pass production standpoint. I think also, you know,

501
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Speaker 2: one of the things that the Kyle Shanahan guys all

502
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Speaker 2: do is when if they feel a pressure, like instead

503
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Speaker 2: of trying to, you know, a for it, they will

504
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: just outright say, everybody slide left, everybody slide right, and

505
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: then our back goes the opposite way, or our tight

506
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: end goes the opposite way, and it just makes things

507
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: a little bit easier when you have an outright slide

508
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Speaker 2: call as opposed to try and figuring out who is

509
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Speaker 2: coming from where. And that could be a way that

510
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Speaker 2: this regime can maybe simplify some things and maybe give

511
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Speaker 2: the offensive line some easier answers. But that's really what

512
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: it's about, is you have to find a way to

513
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: make things easier for your offensive line. This is the

514
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: youngest offensive line in the league. You know, they're clearly

515
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: struggling to pick up certain things and key instances. But

516
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: like we said, they also have to do a better

517
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Speaker 2: job in one on one situation. So you know, it's

518
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Speaker 2: probably not something that gets fixed this year unfortunately. You know,

519
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: justin Herbert mentioned after the game, like he can be

520
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: better picking up some things. But you know, this is

521
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Speaker 2: a stylistic change that I think probably happens more in

522
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Speaker 2: the off season unfortunately.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and hopefully they get at least better in early

524
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Speaker 3: down situations in terms of running the ball, so at

525
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 3: least they're in a third and four. I mean, everything

526
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: just compounds on top of each other. You know, the

527
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: defenses maybe not been so great, so you have to

528
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: try to catch up more, so you have to pass more,

529
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: but you can't run early on so here in these

530
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: third and long situations. You know, the one on Herbert

531
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: was I think third and six and that final fourth

532
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: down play. But still, like the charge need to be

533
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Speaker 3: better across the board, and this offensive line, the whole

534
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: blocking unit in general, it's tough to say they need

535
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Speaker 3: to be revamped because we looked at the beginning of

536
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Speaker 3: the season at this unit as one that was under

537
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: contract for several years. I mean, at minimum it was

538
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: two more years with everybody across the board, and now

539
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: you have three and a half question marks I think

540
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: along the offensive line, which is something I just did

541
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Speaker 3: not expect heading into the year.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll have some more offensive line conversation here

544
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: in a bit, and a lot of offensive line questions

545
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: from you guys, which we appreciate. I always appreciate the

546
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: attention along the offensive line is needed for sure. All right,

547
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: before we get to some of these questions, we'll take

548
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: a quick break and then we will come back and

549
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Speaker 2: we got a lot of great questions, like I mentioned,

559
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: offensive line related, off season related, you know, some other

560
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: things in here as well, But I want to kind

561
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: of revisit this conversation about Khalil Mack and like where

562
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Speaker 2: he stands from an off season perspective. We just talked

563
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Speaker 2: about how awesome he has been this season, and in

564
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Falton as well as Nathaniel Erdman wanted to get a

565
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: question in about Khalil Max's future for this team, and

566
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: Brandon specifically wanted to know about an extension for Khalil Mack.

567
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: He obviously is a free agent after the twenty twenty

568
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: four season. That's when the contract he signed with the

569
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears comes up. A lot of people maybe pegged

570
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: him as a cut candidate in the previous offseason, maybe

571
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: pegged him as a cut candidate in the future offseason.

572
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Speaker 2: But in terms of an extension, Tyler, what do you

573
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: think his chances are of getting extended and.

574
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Speaker 1: What do you think that would maybe do for his

575
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Speaker 1: status on the team.

576
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Speaker 3: Very high there. I did believe that Khalil was behind

577
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: Joey Bosa in terms of likelihood to return next season,

578
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: given that for a lot of these guys with the

579
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: big four, right, the two receivers and the two edge rushers,

580
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: they had to make cuts like there are going to

581
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: because his team is going to look different. But Khalil

582
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Speaker 3: Mack has just been a model of consistency and he's

583
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: been healthy and he's been even better. And I don't

584
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: it's risky, right, You don't want to be a year

585
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: too late. You try to be a year early before

586
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: some of these guys hit the cliff. But like I

587
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: talked about Klimax on pace for twenty one and a

588
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: half sacks, if he gets let's say he just gets eighteen,

589
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't extend him at that point.

590
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't try to keep him

591
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: around longer. Hopefully he can work for the next two

592
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: years beyond, but you have to extend him, and frankly,

593
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: the Chargers, given their cap situation, need to make that move.

594
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: We can have basically the same discussion about Keenan Allen

595
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: as well, who deserves his own extension. And I think

596
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: would still of the four be the priority to be

597
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: extended given his relationship with Justin Herbert. But you know

598
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: that kalim Maak is your edge rusher next year. You

599
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: know that this is a player who has played I

600
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: think eight hundred and sixties snaps last year. He's on

601
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: pace for another nine hundred and fifty this year. He's

602
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: been healthy, he looks good, he plays the run well,

603
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: he plays the pass well. Leader of your team. You're

604
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: getting what you're paying for at this point. The next season,

605
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: it's going to be expensive, but that's why you would

606
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: extend him. The Chargers can make a lot of cuts

607
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: and I think it gets them to nineteen million at

608
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: best in terms of cap space, which the endig to

609
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Speaker 3: talk about emergency situations and the draft classes, et cetera.

610
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: So that's not much. So the next thing you can

611
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: do is to start extending some of these players. There

612
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: is risk, of course, given the age, but you look

613
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: at a guy who's played, he's going to end up

614
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: playing about eighteen hundred nineteen hundred snaps the last two

615
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: years and might be voted to the Pro Bowl this year. Yeah,

616
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: you got to keep him around. And I think that

617
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: him and Tully is your duo, your duo that you

618
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: believe in next season and moving forward. Joey will have

619
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Speaker 3: to wait to see what happens with this injury.

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

621
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Speaker 2: With regards to the Big Four, so to speak, I

622
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: think unfortunately some of these decisions have been made because

623
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Speaker 2: of the injuries. Like I think, yeah, you know, Mike

624
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: Williams and his ACL and Joey and his his toe injury,

625
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: his hamstring injury, his foot injury this season have unfortunately

626
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: made that decision for this organization. And also the play

627
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: of klu Mac and Keenan Allen has made the decision

628
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: for them as well. Like you mentioned, you know, you're

629
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Speaker 2: talking about two Pro bowlers, You're talking about two guys

630
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: who are having career seasons, and so I do think

631
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: there is absolutely a very strong argument to extend Khalio

632
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: Mack in the off season, and I think it makes

633
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for where this team is at.

634
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense to have

635
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: that stability at the edge rusher position and not have

636
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: to head into next offseason and say, hey, man, like,

637
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: we've probably got to draft another EDG rusher in the

638
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: top three rounds because Cleo's a free agent after the season,

639
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: because Tuley is the only other guy.

640
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Well, that just gives.

641
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Them a lot more flexibility So from a cap perspective,

642
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, according to over the cap, if you do

643
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: extend and Kali Mack in the off season, you could

644
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: you can work up to seventeen million dollars in cap

645
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: space off of that extension. So some of that is

646
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: not always you know, cut and dry when it comes

647
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 2: to the contract. It depends a lot really on how

648
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: you're able to work the player, the signing bonuses and

649
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: things like that. I'm sure we could ask Gardon in

650
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: the off season and specifically you know what that would

651
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: look like. But from an extension standpoint, I think you

652
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: can look at a guy like Cam Jordan. You know,

653
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: the the edge rusher market has really exploded. Obviously, Nick

654
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: Bosa took a grenade to that market, making thirty four

655
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: million dollars per year. Now, I don't think Khalil Mack

656
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: will cost the top of the market. But if you

657
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: look at a guy like Cameron Jordan, who's in a

658
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: similar kind of tier of pass rusher, you know, being

659
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: one of the best of the business ses Cam Jordan

660
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: is thirty four right now, and Cam Jordan's current contract

661
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: is paying him thirteen and a half million dollars per year.

662
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: So I think that an extension for Khalil. Mack is

663
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: not going to break the bank because he is an

664
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Speaker 2: older player and there is some kind of comparable things

665
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: out there in terms of the contract I think von

666
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Miller is in his contract with the Bills is probably

667
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: the ceiling which you know, Vaughn was coming off of,

668
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: off of the Super Bowl run and things like that,

669
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: which which really inflated his market. So I do think

670
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: there's a very strong argument for Khalil and for Keenan

671
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: to get these extensions done in the off season. And

672
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 2: I don't think either one really breaks the bank because

673
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: of their age and because ideally you're convincing them to

674
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, you know, stick around and provide that stability

675
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: for this franchise as they move into a new era.

676
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: Potentially, Yeah, he deserves to stick around. I believe in

677
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Tully Tupelow too.

678
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: I really do. We all do.

679
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: We've talked about him forty seven thousand times on this channel.

680
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm ready to just get rid

681
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: of the entire Edge group and let him be the

682
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: Edge one. I think that's just a bit much right now.

683
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Could he do it?

684
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: Sure all expectations are off, he can totally do it,

685
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: it'll be all the ripe page of twenty two next season.

686
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: Eventually young and one of the great ones on the way.

687
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the Khalil Mack stability and what

688
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: he provides, especially what he can do against the run,

689
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: keep him around.

690
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Man.

691
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: I think he deserves to be there. If you talk

692
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: about the three best players for the Chargers of this season,

693
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: I think one is Keenan, two is Khalil Mack. At

694
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: this point, I think both those guys deserve the right

695
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: to be called the first and second best players and

696
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: consistent players on the team this year, and both those

697
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: guys deserved the extensions.

698
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely agree.

699
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: There as an extended question from this particular topic. Let

700
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: me sure I get this one right. Philip wanted to

701
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: know about soft rebuilds, that's kind of what the or

702
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: competitive rebuild that some people have been coined in other instances.

703
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: He wanted to know if there were any specific examples

704
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: of who's pulled one off successfully before and what kind

705
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: of the blueprint for this Charger team, obviously in a

706
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: dire need of some cap space and potentially resetting from

707
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: a financial standpoint, I think the first instance that you

708
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: can look at is the Minnesota Vikings this year and

709
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: what they've been able to do coming off of a

710
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: division championship last season and they won eleven or actually

711
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: I think it was thirteen games or whatever it was,

712
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: and what they were able to do in the offseason,

713
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, offloading contracts like Eric Kendrix and some of

714
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: those other decisions that they made, you know, reducing Did

715
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Hunter's contract, reducing Harrison Smith's contract. And I think that's

716
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: kind of the blueprint that you're potentially looking for in

717
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: a successful competitive rebuild. If you look at the opposite end,

718
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: I think you're looking at a team like the Tennessee Titans,

719
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: who figured trading AJ Brown would kind of launch them

720
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: into that next new era, and it unfortunately has.

721
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Not gone so well for the Tennessee Titans.

722
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Rable kind of is very stuck on

723
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: being competitive and they're kind of in that no man's land.

724
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: So doing a competitive rebuild is a dicey task for

725
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: any general manager. But I will say the blooprin obviously

726
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: starts with having a franchise quarterback.

727
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: That's the key thing.

728
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: And it's much easier when you have a guy like

729
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert to kind of have a soft reset as

730
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: opposed to trying to do it with a guy like

731
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill, and then you're drafting Leakue Willis.

732
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: And all this other stuff that has to go right

733
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Speaker 1: for you.

734
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree there, And I was looking at specific

735
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: situations like that where and it seems like the quarterback

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: was in.

737
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: Place how long?

738
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Speaker 3: How long did they know this quarterback was going to

739
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: be in place for dependence? They didn't really know for

740
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: sure at the time. But one is the post Wentz

741
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: Eagles with Jalen Hurtz, who didn't play a whole lot

742
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: his rookie season, but they figured, okay, he could be

743
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: the guy they were able to. Now the first year

744
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: of the rebuild, I think they had four wins, which

745
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: wasn't great. So of course you want the Chargers to

746
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: have more than four wins. But I also think that

747
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Herbert is significantly further along than Hurts at that time

748
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: what the Eagles did and have done so well. Or

749
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: two things. One, manipulate the draft board. We see this

750
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: all the time. Hollie Roseman, I'll go up three, I'll

751
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: go back six, I'll go back ten, I'll take your receiver.

752
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: I'll do whatever. But there's always smart ways that they

753
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: acquire either a couple of picks or one significant pick

754
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: and find ways to move around the board and just

755
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: get exactly what they need while also accumulating picks. It's

756
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: strange that the Eagles can pick the best players but

757
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: not have to really move up or sacrifice anything for them.

758
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: It's it's a wizardry thing that is rare in the

759
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: NFL these days. But what they also do is they

760
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: do a very good job of bilo and it's easier

761
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: said than done, of course, but they can look at

762
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: a Hassan Reddick, who we were dying to have on

763
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: the team and go, okay, three years, forty five million dollars,

764
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: and that's a fricking steal given what he's been able

765
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: to do in Philadelphia. You talked about like even they

766
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: just trading for Kevin Byer recently. You talked about the

767
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: Titans that cost nothing. You know, you go for Bradbury

768
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: at corner that's seven million dollars. You go get Kayjerre

769
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: White for three million dollars. They do take some swings,

770
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 3: and they do give pay their guys quite a bit,

771
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: but they also find ways to really just keep adding

772
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: with these by lows, so accumulating picks buying low. That's

773
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: kind of the way it's going to have to be

774
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: for the Chargers. And if you really want to get

775
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: a lot of picks, go ahead and look at the Rams.

776
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: Who are you know, they obviously won the Super Bowl,

777
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: they went all in and then now they're retooling and

778
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: they just destroyed the Cardinals. That the Cardinals are a

779
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: great team, but they destroyed them. And they picked fourteen

780
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: rookies in the draft this past season without our first

781
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: round pick. You know, they found their own different way

782
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: to maneuver and get guys that are contributing. Obviously we

783
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: talk about you know, everyone knows Pooka Nakua at this point,

784
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: but they picked a Villa. They pick Byron Young, the

785
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: pick Kobe Turner, they picked Nickcampton, War mcclenn and Davis Allen, Nikua,

786
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: Trey Tomlinson, Zach Evans, like all these guys, they just

787
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: found a way to maybe not all of them hit. No.

788
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: No drafts is one hundred percent perfect.

789
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: But if you go.

790
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: Fourteen at bats and you hit six of them and

791
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: those are your six starters, you are very you know,

792
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: significant rotating players. We're doing a great job there. So

793
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: I think that either of those teams, you know, the

794
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: Rams will see how competitive they become. But they're getting

795
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: a lot out of their rookies and they are on

796
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: heading in the right direction. And then the Eagles post went.

797
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: So I would look at kind of those you know,

798
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: Rams finding a way to be this f them picks

799
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: team to let's have all them picks team, And it's

800
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: just the adjustments there that have really paid.

801
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Off for them.

802
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're strapped with cash, you need those extra

803
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: picks to have that kind of flexibility. And you know,

804
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: we were in Las Vegas for that specific draft and

805
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: we were staying with your aunt and uncle, and your

806
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: uncle is a Vikings fan, and your uncle is all

807
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: mad that that draft class because Queszy kept on trading

808
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: back and trading back, and every time the Vikings had

809
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: come up, it was like, oh, they're trade. But that's

810
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: a great way to you know, recoup some draft value.

811
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: You know, loading up on these draft picks is so

812
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: important when you're strapped with cash because it just gives

813
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: you that much more flexibility. So I think that's a

814
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: great call there. All Right, we'll get to some of

815
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: these offensive line questions. Nick Skipper, Ewing Fighter, Pilot, and

816
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: Meerkat Manor all had a very specific offensive line question

817
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: and kind of trying to dive into the root of

818
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: the regression here. So we'll start with Nick Skipper. He

819
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: wants to know if the offensive line issues have been

820
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: caused from moving the guards around in the off season. Obviously,

821
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Zion Johnson played primarily on the left side in college.

822
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: Last season with the Chargers, he was on the right

823
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: side pairing with Trey Pipkins. Jamari Sawyer has primarily left

824
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: side in college as well. He played left tackle for

825
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: the Chargers last year, albeit he was training on both

826
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: guard spots for the Chargers in last off season. So

827
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: how much do you think that switch has contributed to

828
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: Zion regressing the way he has and Jamari maybe not

829
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: clicking into places as quickly as we would have helped

830
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: as well.

831
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: I think it has to.

832
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: You can't help but add that to part of the

833
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: reason that they are I've regressed at this point. And

834
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: Duke Manyweather has been a big advocate for not switching

835
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: guys around. One not switching the don't just switch guys

836
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: from tackle to guard just because you feel like it.

837
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: There has to be a legitimate reason. And two, don't

838
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: move guys left right, left, right, left right. I mean,

839
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: we saw Piney Seoul his rookie year and in the

840
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: preseason they're like, Okay, we're going to take your right tackle,

841
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: movie to left, and we'll movie the left and we'll

842
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: go to right. And it was kind of a back

843
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: and forth for him that didn't quite work so well

844
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: for him initially. Then he got to be his generational

845
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: self and got accustomed to everything and in a very

846
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: good scheme, and then things obviously progressed for where now

847
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: he is one of the best tackles in the league.

848
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: But it took some time, and then back and forth

849
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: does not help. So I think with Zion, I think

850
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: with Jamari it does not help. I think Jamari is

851
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: suffering the worst from it because he had the biggest

852
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: change from left tackle out of nowhere after practicing guard

853
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: all last year, to left tackle for the entire season

854
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: to not to write guard, and unfortunately he's playing next

855
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: to Trey Pipkins, who has not been great, and then

856
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: will Clap for most of the season, which is not

857
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: a knock on Will Clap. It's just not Cordy Linsley.

858
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: We've all been talking about this. Corey Lindsley's not out there.

859
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: These Guards are going to be worse because of it.

860
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: That was evident the moment anytime last year where Corey

861
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: Linsley went out, things just changed for the Guards, it

862
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: changed for Zion. It just was not the same. So yeah,

863
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: I do think the flip flopping has not helped. You know,

864
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: you learned so much and then having to switch sides

865
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: is just a bit of a soft reset, if you will,

866
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: to their start to the NFL. So it's almost like

867
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: a rookie season one and a half for them right now,

868
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: which is part of the struggles. I do expect more

869
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 3: from them. It has been disappointing, but it does play

870
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: a party.

871
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily shocked that Jamaris has had a more

872
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: of a struggle, you know, adapting to guard life, because

873
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, he was playing offensive tackle at Georgia. He

874
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: was playing offensive tackle as a rookie and that's a

875
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: tough switch in general. Then also, like you mentioned, you know,

876
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: switching sides completely, So I'm not shocked. Like you mentioned,

877
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: I did expect and I do expect better of him.

878
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: The Zion thing has been definitely more frustrating for me. Obviously,

879
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: anybody who listens to the show knows how we felt

880
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: about him coming into that draft class and what he

881
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: was able to do last season as a rookie.

882
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: So I think it plays a part.

883
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: I think expecting Zion to you know, kind of click

884
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: back into place, switching back to his more natural side

885
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: is a fair expectation. And I do think that there's

886
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: some just technique things that have maybe changed this year.

887
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a pure coaching issue orf

888
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: that was something that was an off season thing for him,

889
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: but you know, his technique is failing him more so

890
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: than it did last year. Last year was a lot

891
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: of just kind of like stunts and games and things

892
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: like that. So I think that's that's the thing more

893
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: with Zion is is I think we've maybe got to

894
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: get back to the drawing board from a technique standpoint

895
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: and get him back to that consistency, you know, feeling

896
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: that he had obviously in college and during his rookie season.

897
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: I think also, you know, people have to remember he's

898
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: only played football for like six years. This isn't a

899
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: guy who grew up playing football.

900
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: He grew up playing golf.

901
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: You know, went to Davidson College to play golf, so

902
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: definitely deserves criticism. I think both of them deserve criticism

903
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: that I'm not here trying to say that they are blameless,

904
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: but I think the context of it is important to

905
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: talk about because these are guys that ideally are able

906
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: to get back to form, get back to expectations next year.

907
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: Right now, we have some question marks about them in

908
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: terms of their long term status next year. Like you,

909
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: you want them to be able to find that confidence

910
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: again and be able to prove that they can be

911
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: building block players that we thought they could be heading

912
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: into this season.

913
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to be your starters next year. I

914
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: would assume Zion is definitely going to be Jamori. I

915
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: don't see why you wouldn't. But I think they'll be

916
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: a competition with McFadden next year and potentially some their

917
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: interier offensive lineman. But I think those are your two

918
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: guys that your quote unquote stuck with and I feel

919
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: good about that. But they need to be better than

920
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: they have been, for sure. One player. Just switching to

921
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: another question here, because we are talking about expectations for players,

922
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: and I think everyone knows kind of where I'm going

923
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 3: with this one question from Ryan, how can the Chargers

924
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: change cues or Quentin Johnston's role to get more out

925
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: of him, because it's been it's been tough sledding, and

926
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: before tonight's game, I don't think anything changes. Addison's already

927
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: ahead of him. We're recording on Monday. But there are

928
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: nineteen receivers and tight ends that have more receiving yards

929
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: rookies that I'm more receiving yards than Quentin Johnson does

930
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: through eleven games so far. And you know, to me,

931
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: that's not even necessarily just a should have taken Zay,

932
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: should have taken Addison situation, that's a could we have

933
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: found anybody else at any other point? I mean, the

934
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: guys that are first and second in yards are not

935
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: say Flowers and Jordan Adison. Again, Addison, we'll see after tonight.

936
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: But it's tanked ol, it's pukuin Akua and these guys,

937
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: and you look at Michael Wilson, Jaden Reed, Don Tavian Wicks,

938
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: all these guys are involved, and the one person that

939
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: cannot get involved consistently is Quentin Johnston. The X rays

940
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: came back negative on his ribs, so thankfully he avoided

941
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: something worse there, but he didn't play basically in the

942
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: second half of the last third or so of that game.

943
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: But he also wasn't involved at all to begin with.

944
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: It's been to me this kind of trio failure, if

945
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: you will, of evaluation, because I'm not sure anymore what

946
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: they saw from him in terms of how his specific workload,

947
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 3: skill set, what he could do would translate to the NFL.

948
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: But then I think we have a failure of course

949
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: of the scheme so far and what this person is

950
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: the questioner is asking about, how can we get him

951
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: more involved, and so far that has not been the case.

952
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: And then, of course Quentin Johnson owes plenty of the

953
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: blame himself. You know, you can prescribe certain amount of

954
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: percentages to all three of those guys in different ways,

955
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: but it has led to a very very disappointing rookie season.

956
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 3: And if you listen to you know, Reception Perception and

957
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: Matt Harmon talk about these guys and these receivers, Quentin

958
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: Johnson's score and his routes that he runs is like

959
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: second worst that they've ever had on their website, and

960
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: it is around names like Jalen Reagor and his rookie season,

961
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: which is sort of ironic, if you will. So, I

962
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: don't know, man, it's been frustrating, But what do you

963
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: I guess, how do you see more touches for Quent Johnson?

964
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: How do you get more out of him?

965
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's a fair thing.

966
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: And again we talked a little bit about this on

967
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: our show, Like, I think you can be real about

968
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: what Quentin's struggles have been and also try to figure

969
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: out how to get the most out of him because

970
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: he's on the team, Like anybody who's a fan of

971
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: the team should root for him to figure it out

972
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: and root for the team to figure it out because

973
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, you invested a first round draft pick in him.

974
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: I think objectively, like you look at what was working

975
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: for him, you know, in particular against the Bears and

976
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: against the Jets and against the Lions. I think one

977
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: of the things there is his reps from the slot.

978
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: You know, in those.

979
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: Games it's not a ton, but he was basically getting

980
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: about six reps from the slot a game, which is

981
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: around twenty percent of his routes. You look at the

982
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: Green Bay game and he ran one rep from the slot,

983
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: and this past week against the Ravens, he had zero,

984
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: and it's just the way that you're able to manufacture

985
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: touches for him. And I was hoping that the Bears

986
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: game was going to be kind of a launching point,

987
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: so to speak, of the rest of his season. And

988
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: the key thing there was all of the crossers that

989
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: he was running. You know, he had two, he had

990
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: a little drag, had a little short crosser, and he

991
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: was able to get yards after the catch. And and

992
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: that's the kind of role that you need to let

993
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: him just really really do well with, is find something

994
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: that he can and has the confidence to execute, and

995
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: if that's short area yards after the catch, great because

996
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: you just you're able to build up the confidence and

997
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: then go from there into other areas. Right now, they're

998
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: using him as a strict almost strictly as a X

999
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: receiver to stretch the field, which is Mike Williams's role.

1000
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: He's not Mike Williams.

1001
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: Everybody who watched him knew that coming into the season,

1002
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: and so it's just been frustrating to know what we

1003
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: all watched from Quentin Johnston watched in the in training camp,

1004
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: and then they're not using him in any of those

1005
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: ways to get him going, and and yes, obviously I

1006
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: wish that he could just you know, you come into

1007
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: his role and he and he's great and everything's perfect,

1008
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: but you have to be able to execute touches for him.

1009
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: And I think that that's the biggest My biggest complaint

1010
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: right now is you've found a way that worked for

1011
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: him to get the ball, You've found a way for

1012
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: him to get confidence going, and then you completely abandon

1013
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: that three weeks later and you go back to what

1014
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: was not working previously. So again, you can definitely recognize

1015
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: that contin has had some struggles, but you also, I think,

1016
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: need to recognize that the Chargers offense has not done

1017
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: a good enough job getting him involved and being able

1018
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: to take advantage of his skill set as well.

1019
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he shares plenty of responsibility for the struggles so far.

1020
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: He has to make the catches, he has to separate.

1021
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: The separation versus man has not been great. It's not

1022
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: been great versus his own Plenty of blame there, for sure.

1023
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: Some of it's easier to see than others in very

1024
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: key situations like against the Packers, some not as much.

1025
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: But the Chargers, they clearly have a player in my

1026
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: opinion who doesn't seem like his confidence is quite there,

1027
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: his feet underneath him in the NFL, and it just

1028
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: feels like it would be better to reassess and reevaluate

1029
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: and just give him the floor, give him something to

1030
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 3: work with to stand on that he is comfortable with,

1031
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: and then if you want to develop him into Mike Williams,

1032
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: which he was not at all coming out of college.

1033
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: And we said it a million times, fine, but it

1034
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: has to start with the floor and the foundation of

1035
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: understanding who Quenton Johnson is and what he's good at.

1036
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 3: You know, it's a terrible comparison, but we can't ask,

1037
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: you know, Wandale Robinson to go be your jump ball

1038
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 3: X receiver guy for the Giants or whatever. Like I'm

1039
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: not saying these are the two of the same players,

1040
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: but that's you cannot force, you know, the square pregate

1041
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: of the ron hole situation. You got to get him

1042
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: going with what he's comfortable with and then build from there.

1043
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: They're they're trying to, it seems, force him into a

1044
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: role or make him someone that he is just not.

1045
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: Can he develop into that? Sure, keep going, spend years

1046
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: working on that, honing your craft, et cetera. But give

1047
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 3: him the floor to feel confident and feel successful to

1048
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: do rather than just because it really looks very defeating.

1049
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: He looks very defeated out there in situations. I'm sure

1050
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: he feels awful about some of the issues and what's

1051
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: been said publicly, you know, his role, not being able

1052
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: to get out there in the fourth quarter against the

1053
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: Ravens in a do or die sort of game. So

1054
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: I hope they find something for him, because they at

1055
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: least need to find a role for him. Otherwise we're

1056
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: looking at a whole different draft next year where we

1057
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 3: are making very difficult conversations about wide receiver.

1058
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the way that you put that.

1059
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: I think the Chargers mission for Quentin Johnson over the

1060
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: next the final six weeks of the season is two

1061
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: races floor, established some kind of confidence setting into next season,

1062
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: establish some kind of pattern for his usage that he

1063
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: can spend the rest of the offseason, you know, building

1064
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: off of as opposed to trying to rebuild everything. Like

1065
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: I think you want to have this these final six

1066
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: games be a sort of you know, springboard into a

1067
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: strong sophomore season. Ideally obviously for Quentin Johnson, I think

1068
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: that's on the coaching staff You've got to be able

1069
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: to figure out ways to manufacture touches for him like you,

1070
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Like all due respect to Alex Erickson, you can't be

1071
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: feeding Alex Erickson touches in favor of Quentin Johnson like

1072
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: you need to feed Quentin Johnson touches. I'm not asking

1073
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: to target him ten times a game, but there's no

1074
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: reason why you shouldn't be able to manufacture three or

1075
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: four touches every single game for him. And honestly, the

1076
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: same probably goes for Darius Davis. Like you, you are

1077
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: really struggling in the talent department. I think both of

1078
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: those guys should be able to contribute more than they

1079
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: have been, and I think both of them have shown

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Speaker 2: it's been a month since we saw a Darius Davis screen,

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Speaker 2: Like it's just been a little frustrating when you have

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Speaker 2: some offensive struggles that hey, like, let's give let's get

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Speaker 2: some easy ones going here with our guys who can

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Speaker 2: create after the catch. And that also goes for Gerald ever,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just going to lean into those same kind

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Speaker 2: of conversations. I think, in general, Mikes, things easier for

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Speaker 2: you as an offense, so we are definitely a little

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Speaker 2: over our plan time today, so we appreciate all the questions.

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Speaker 2: There were some other ones here that we wanted to

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Speaker 2: get to. Taylor Marquez had a great question, Andre Castillo

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Speaker 2: had a great question. There was Dayan Henley's season in

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Speaker 2: the chat, as well as Steven Gillard who had a

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Speaker 2: great question that we wanted to get to.

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Speaker 1: So we apologize.

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Speaker 2: We'll be sure to interact with you guys and get

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Speaker 2: those answers out there, but we do appreciate all the

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Speaker 2: great questions here that we propose to tonight.

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Speaker 1: So Tyler, any final thoughts before we head out for

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Speaker 1: the evening.

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Speaker 3: I'm onto New England.

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Speaker 1: On to New England.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully you guys are enjoying the show. We are

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Speaker 2: obviously very appreciative of the support. Make sure like the video, subscribe,

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Speaker 2: comment all that good stuff, Tell a friend, and we'll

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Speaker 2: be covering this team regardless.

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Speaker 1: Of what happens. You know, come what may, as they say, so.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate everybody, Appreciate Greg Kim for producing the show,

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Speaker 2: as always, appreciate all you guys for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, and as always, hold up